Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Suzanne Morphew Hubby Charges Dismissed

Episode Date: April 21, 2022

Murder charges against Suzanne Morphew's husband, Barry,  have been dismissed.  The Colorado mom has been missing since Mother's Day of 2020. Prosecutors filed a motion to dismissed without prejudice — meaning charges can be refiled at a later date. Police claim they are close to finding Suzanne Morphew's body, but the weather and snowpack are delaying searches.  Prosecutors wrote in their latest motion that they have zeroed in on a “remote and mountainous” area currently covered by five feet of snow, near the Morphews’ home. During an April 8 hearing, the judge barred 12 of the prosecution’s 14 witnesses from testifying as expert witnesses. Prosecutors wrote in Tuesday’s motion that some of their strongest evidence — phone and GPS data in addition to truck data — was also excluded from Barry Morphew’s planned trial. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Matthew Mangino - Attorney, Former District Attorney,  Author: "The Executioner's Toll: The Crimes, Arrests, Trials, Appeals, Last Meals, Final Words and Executions of 46 Persons in the United States"  Dr. Jorey Krawczyn  - Police Psychologist, Adjunct Faculty with Saint Leo University; Research Consultant with Blue Wall Institute, Author: Operation S.O.S. - Practical Recommendations to Help “Stop Officer Suicide”  bw-institute.com   Joe Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet", Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan"  Lauren Scharf - Reporter, FOX 21 News, Twitter/Instagram: @LaurenScharfTV, laurenscharf.com See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful young mom goes missing on Mother's Day. Coincidentally, on Sunday, that Mother's Day, her husband, Barry Morphew, claims he's got to be out of town on a work trip that nobody seemingly knew about at the time. And then, wouldn't you know, that one day of all days that she goes biking, she also goes missing. In the last hours, homicide charges against her husband, Barry Morphew, have been dropped. Repeat, charges against Suzanne Morphew's husband, Barry Morphew, have been dropped. I'm Nancy Grace.

This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 111. Before I introduce to you an all-star panel to make sense of what we know right now, take a listen to our friends at KUSA 9. The charges against Barry Moore, if you were dismissed this morning, without prejudice. That means that new charges could be brought in the coming future if new evidence is found. Now, prosecutors revealed this morning that they believe that they say they are close to finding Suzanne Morphew's missing body after two years of searching. The district attorney on the case said that they believe that her body is buried somewhere

underneath five feet of snow in the mountains above the Morphew home, though she provided no evidence as to why that might be true. Now, Barry Morphew walked out of court about an hour ago. The GPS tracker is gone and he has his passport back. He was surrounded by his two daughters who have been with him at every court date he's had. Did you hear what they just said, aka USA? Before I go to the whole panel panel let me first go to lauren sharp joining me fox 21 news reporter on this case from the beginning lauren let me digress you and i were right there where prosecutors are now saying they think they know where suzanne morphew's body is hidden we were right there and remember and I, we had this eerie feeling

because you showed me where the Morphew home was. It's a mansion. It's huge. We were looking down at it. And I said, now, wait, where is he living right now? And he pointed right at the street. He said, I think it's right there. It's right up the street, if you can call it a street. It's kind of like a dirt road. It's in the the street, if you can call it a street. It's kind of like a dirt road.

It's in the mountains there in Salida and everything has gates. You can't get into the home. And then you told me that he, you think we had been living in an Airbnb belonging to a friend of his. And I thought, wow, that's really odd that he wants to live at the scene where we think his wife was killed because it's within sight really of where her bike was found down the ravine. And this is the other thing. Remember Lauren Scharf? Not one, not two, but I think three separate women came up and said they were out, citizens searching for Suzanne's body,

and they were all run away by somebody on a motorcycle or an ATV that had their face covered with a helmet. Somebody is protecting that area. Why would Barry Morphew move to that area and refuse to leave? I mean, am I remembering it right, Lauren? Yeah, I mean, even Barry Morphew had told me the reason why they sold the house, the Morphew house off of Puma Path, was because his daughters were scared to live there

because that was the last place that they saw their mother. And she possibly could have been abducted around there. And so that's why they sold the property. And then for him to live nearby in, you know, an Airbnb that's rented out by a friend is interesting. And then now, you know, investigators believe that Suzanne's body is located just very close by to where the Morpheus used to live, you know, in a specific location in the mountains. And they just need time because of the weather to excavate that area. Because of a snow-packed area, they haven't been able to do so. And they wanted to do that prior to the trial, but because of the weather,

they say that the area has five feet of snow that's covered it. I was in a meeting at lunchtime. I ran straight out of the studio, went right in the meeting. When I walked out of the meeting, I glanced down at my phone, Lauren Scharf, and I saw where Jackie had texted me charges against Barry Morphew dropped. Well, you know, I thought I was going to have a heart attack. I almost did a backflip right there.

Guys, take a listen to our cut 157. Our friends at Fox 31. Moments after the judge dismissed the murder case against Barry Morphew, he walked out of the courthouse, daughters, by his side. Barry, is there anything you want to say? His attorney saying Morphew should have never been charged with the murder of his wife, Suzanne Morphew. Instead, what their evidence is, is that she could have left and or she could have been abducted. And the evidence is way stronger for both of those possibilities than anything far

from Mr. Morphew having the ability to murder his loving wife. Ms. Morphew disappeared on Mother's Day two years ago from her home near Salida in Chaffey County. Her husband arrested a year later. In the motion to dismiss the case without prejudice, the district attorney wrote, the ongoing investigation into the location of the body must be resolved. The public seeks an indisputable answer

to whether or not Ms. Morphew is dead. Let me introduce you to our panel. First of all, Matthew Mangino, lawyer, former elected district attorney in Lawrence County, parole board member, author of The Executioner's Toll, Dr. Jory Crawson, psychologist, faculty, St. Leo University, research consultant, and author of Operation SOS. Professor of Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star of a new hit series on iHeart, Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. And, of course, you know with us, Ace Reporter with Fox 21, Lauren Scharf, on this from the very beginning. Matthew Mangino does it never

end when a woman goes missing leaving her children which to me would be the ultimate torture to be away from my children. Someone actually fixes their mouth to say there's so much evidence she just left. Really? Her ATM hasn't been used, no credit card, she hasn't been cited, her car has been found, all of her belongings are there, her jewelry is there. There's not one shred, not a scintilla of evidence to suggest that Suzanne Morphew went away. What with another guy? Who? Where? That is BS.

Why do they always say that Matthew? Well Nancy in this case. It's actually the prosecution that's saying it. In their motion. We just heard it in the clip. They're seeking indisputable answer. As to whether or not Ms. Morphew is dead. That is not what the the defense said the defense said what there the state's evidence is is that she could have left that's the defense

lawyer matthew mangino that not the prosecution the prosecution says we want to find her body and we think we know where it is. They never said she left. Nancy, I'm reading right from the motion. This is the motion to dismiss without prejudice filed by the district attorney. That's their motion, which is so surprising to me because, you know, this is extraordinary. We're on the eve of trial. The trial's been moved to another county. You have a thousand jurors waiting to be a part of this jury pool. And the prosecution is withdrawing the charges. You know, it's akin to the prosecution taking their ball and going home. The case is unraveling. And now you want to withdraw the charges and say that you're looking for the body. I mean, for two years, they couldn't find the body. To Lauren Scharf joining us with Fox 21, let me clarify something.

And please, Lauren, as you always do, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't it true that the state is stating in black and white and in open court, they believe they know where Suzanne Morphew's body is. Yeah, in the motion, they said that they were hopeful that they could get the search and the discovery of Suzanne's body before the trial was finished. But because of weather, it complicated their efforts. And so that's why they want to put this case on pause or a halt to get to hopefully find Suzanne's body and bring it back to her family. At any time, Lauren Scharf, has the state said they believe Suzanne Morphew just left with another guy. As a matter of fact fact isn't it true the state says that finding

her body will disprove such a cockamamie theory isn't that what the prosecution is saying yeah the prosecution says that you know suzanne would have never left her daughters and would have never just not told anyone uh where she was going or if she had blessed on her own. That's just not in her character. I mean, to you, Dr. Jory Crosby, and joining us, psychologist and faculty, St. Leo University and author. I could go on, but instead of talking about you, let's talk about Suzanne Morphew. Dr. Jory, this woman had devoted her life to her family, her children. I think it would be through hell and high water that she would have just left her children.

And there is not a shred of evidence to suggest such a thing. The only one suggesting that is the defense. Yeah, to predict future behavior, you always have to look at past behavior. And she's got a record of being a devoted mother and wife. I mean, there was that affair. But even with her behavior, if she were going to leave, she would do it openly. She would go through the court system, divorce her husband. I would even say her getting a fair settlement worked out and everything. I don't think she would just disappear.

That is not advantageous to her or anyone except the husband well as a matter of fact isn't isn't it true lauren sharp she had told her husband she wanted a divorce yeah and a deleted text message she said that she was done and that she just wanted to do it civilly there you go. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It's a tough thing to try a case without a body, but it's been done thousands of times. it's not the easiest thing in the world but it can be done you don't give a killer a gold star and a free pass just because he managed to hide the body now let me understand something lauren sharp joining me fox 21 and you can find her at lauren sharp.com that's s- S-C-H-A-R-F. Lauren, cops are actually saying they believe they've located the spot where Suzanne's body is.

And it is in the mountains. And, I mean, I just hugged you goodbye there a couple of weeks ago. There is still a lot of snow on the ground. This is a very remote area. When I was flying in, I looked down, I saw nothing but mountains and treetops. There was no cell phone connectivity where we were. It's very remote and the snow banks are very deep. Yeah, I mean, where the morph you live they i mean they live in the mountains they're surrounded by mountains very uh tough terrain uh you saw how steep it is and you know that area even though we're you know approaching may and the end of april it's still covered with snow up there and people can still go skiing and and and everything even though it is getting

in the higher temperatures of 70 degrees there's still snow up there yeah that's the thing that snow is solid and that's like looking up at a glacier in the middle of the summer it's maybe warmer you are but it's going to take a long time for that snow to melt. They're going to have to bring in to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, professor forensic, some type of a specialty crew to get through the snow. And I'm curious, how do they know that's where her body is under all that snow? I'm just very curious about it. Oh, Joe Scott, let me tell you a weird fact that I learned when I went out to Salida to see this scene. You know, Joe Scott, I never tried a single case, not one, not ever, that I had not been to the scene. And this reminded me why.

It's so different than what you imagine it to be. For instance, where her bike went down, went down the ravine, you can look off and see their home, but it's a long, windy, gravel, dirt road that goes all the way from the house out. It's very hilly. You go down and way up, and then boom, there it is. It's not that far away where her bike was thrown down the ravine. But I'm very curious and I want you to hear this. And Lauren Scharf, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't people say that one of the reasons they filed a TRO is because Barry Morphew kept coming back to his old house and digging up bones. He said he was looking for some kind of animal skulls in the backyard.

I haven't heard that. Yes. Sorry. That the family that he would be digging for bones in the area after he moved. I think that's very bizarre. Joe Scott, let me get back to you about getting through that snow bay and somehow finding her remains and what would her remains even be now? Yeah, you know, I had a couple of questions about this because I'm thinking they're talking about the snowpack. You know, the fall in Colorado generally begins roughly the first part of April. So you've already got some of this melting that's taking place.

What kind of gigantic piece of information suddenly appeared on the radar after two years relative to her remains that has them go into a full stop? I mean, they completely reversed engines here. As Matt was talking about just a few moments ago, they're right on the threshold of going to trial. And then suddenly they have this epiphanal moment where they say they think they know where her body is buried. They said buried beneath snow,

but I'm wondering if they have further detail. Is it buried in the dirt underneath the snow? And then you talk about these two desperate areas where you have the bike that's down in the ravine. And then as you mentioned, you've been there. They're saying up, up, up is where the body is. So up above this particular area, who has access to this? Who had the the opportunity who had the means in order to facilitate this if it's so isolated how would you get the remains up there and then bury them they're going to have to go out there i think obviously with a team of searchers that will probably again involve cadaver dogs remember they got a false a false hit at the house

where they thought that they had they came across a scent of a body that turned out not to be reality. But now they're going to have to go back into this area after the snow has thawed. And again, this for me poses a huge problem from a forensic standpoint, because honestly, after two years, I don't know what type of evidence they're going to be able to find that's going to demonstrate a specific manner and cause of death. Bones! You've got to remember that there's also a lot of mines in the area. So I'm curious as to, you know, maybe that's where they're looking or something like that. Yeah, that's Lauren Schro're looking or something like that. Yeah, that's Lauren Scharf jumping in from Fox 20.

Hey, panel, we're not having high tea at Windsor Palace. Okay, so jump in if you have a thought. So Lauren Scharf, let me bounce off what Joe Scott Morgan just said. Joe Scott, just stop everything. Cadaver dogs can pick up a scent of a dead body, even if it's underwater. This is a lightning round, so you can just answer yes or no. Isn't that true, Joe Scott? Yes, that is true. Yes or no.

You don't need to expound. Joe Scott Morgan, isn't it true that cadaver dogs can pick up the scent of human remains under snow? Isn't that true? Yes, it is true. Joe Scott, isn't it true that cadaver dogs did hit in multiple places around the time of Suzanne Morphew's disappearance? Yes, that is true. And isn't it also true that if they hit on human remain sent at the time of her disappearance, it could also indicate her body had been there and was moved, does it not? Yes, that is true. So isn't it within the realm

of possibility that her body had been, her dead body had been at those locations where cadaver dogs hit and then was moved to a more remote location. Isn't that possible? It's within the realm of possibility. Lauren Scharf, that is the theory on which I'm hanging my hat. I think that's what happened. Her body was moved. Well, even in the arrest after David, one of the investigators said that they saw like a footprint on the Bobcat bucket.

But they didn't take a photograph or or a cast of the bucket. But they did note it in the arrest affidavit that there was a bare footprint, like someone's bare footprint in the bucket of the Bobcat. I think that was Matthew Mangino jumping in. Go ahead, Matthew. Yes. So, Nancy, I guess my question is, why now on the eve of trial is the body so important in this case? Obviously, the prosecution thought that they could prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. You used to be the district attorney, right? Matthew Mangino, the elected DA, and you of all people are asking me why is it so important that you have the dead body?

Really? I would have thought before I filed the charges in this case that the body was important. Of course they thought the body was important, Mangino, but they didn't know where it was, and now apparently they think they've got an idea. Why should they go forward with a trial if they could have the body but nancy if i thought i could prove my case beyond

a reasonable doubt and therefore i filed charges without a body then i would be confident to go forward without a body in this case to me the body now seems like a ruse because the case is falling apart. They've been precluded from using witnesses because of not complying with Brady rules. They have other issues in this case that are making their case unravel. So now they're looking for a reason to withdraw these charges because they don't want to face a jury in a week from now with the case that they have. And that's problematic from the prosecutor's standpoint. And to say, well, now, to say in your pleading now, we think the public wants to know if Suzanne Morphew is dead, if there is a body. I mean, that's crazy. But that's where we are in this case. If they have an idea, a good idea, where the body is,

you're darn right, I would postpone the case. And I'm very curious as to why they aren't simply postponing instead of dropping unless the defense refused to postpone to lauren sharp joining us fox 21 was the defense pushing the case forward now yeah iris eton you know, Barry Morphew's lead attorney said that they were prepared for trial and they wanted to get Morphew acquitted. But previously, they had filed four motions to get the case dismissed. And, you know, what one of your experts just said, you know, the court had gotten 12 out of the 14 of their of the prosecution's, you know, expert witnesses to not be able to testify as experts. And that said that that really hurt their evidence, their best evidence to move the case forward as well in the motion to dismiss. Go ahead, Joe Scott. Yeah, I got to tell you, the prosecution has really stuck their neck out here. I mean, big time. And this is why,

from a forensic standpoint, what they are saying in the affirmative is that there is a high likelihood that they know where her body is. This thing is going to really stink badly if they get up there. And if there's nobody watching this case prior to this, and we know that there has been tremendous national attention, I guarantee you all eyes are going to be on this now because they're going to be having their feet held to the fire and people are going to say, well, when are you going out there? When are you going out there? There's going to be news trucks showing up everywhere. They're going to follow these people everywhere.

And what is going to happen when they show up and they go to this area that they're talking about and they come back with a big fat goose egg? They've really stuck their neck out here. And I think that it is curious the timing is very very curious that they throw the brakes on here right at the last minute they have already like shown their cards i mean the the barry morphew and his defense have seen all the discovery and now they file this motion with pretty much the location of where they think suzanne is so they're showing their card. Let me add a psychological factor in here. What if Barry gets paranoid and now that he doesn't have any tracking device.

He goes and tries to find the body. And yeah, he might decide to move the body if he thinks they know where it's at. It may not be at where they think, but he knows where it is. If he does, you know, if he's involved in it, he knows where he goes to the body. And if they track him, I mean, you know, look at his past behavior. He's been very, I guess, indecisive and paranoid, rightfully so. But now he doesn't have any tracking devices. He doesn't take his cell phone or stuff like that, he's free to move about unless they track him somehow,

drones or surveillance. I would absolutely think that announcing that the cops believe they know where the body is would trigger the killer to go try to move the body. I would hope against hope that Morphew is being watched or tracked right now.

Or they also might just have surveillance video where they think the body is. That's a good idea because who can ever get the picture of Scott Peterson returning over and over and over to gaze out at San Francisco Bay where he dumped his wife, Laceyacey and their unborn child Connor it's almost instinctive to go back and back and back to the scene of a crime uh let me go back to you Joe Scott Morgan I'm very curious about what you said because you're worried about the state, quote, sticking its neck out. I'm sorry, did you get your law degree when I wasn't looking? Oh, no, no, but I've seen enough lawyers train wreck cases, and it's just a curious thing.

Oh, okay, because don't you agree that it's the state's duty to seek the truth above all else if they think they know where the body is? Isn't it their obligation, their duty to try to find the body? And if they're wrong, they're wrong. I don't know that I would call that a goose egg as you described it. I've thought a lot of things during trials and have been proven wrong by the evidence. Thank goodness before I gave my opening statement but it's their

duty to look where they believe her body is and why in the world counselor joe scott morgan would you go to trial without a body if you could get the body when the snow melts why in the world would you have this epiphanal moment i don't know maybe they got i don't understand it it's a question and that is not within your realm you don't need to understand it and i don't need to understand it but unless the district attorney is lying through their teeth then i believe them i mean do you have a reason to disbelieve the elected district attorney, Joe Scott? Do you know something we don't know? No, I don't. Okay. But I have, I think that I have the opportunity to ask that question. I think any right person, thinking person would ask that question.

Why at this last moment are you going to do this? Why? I mean, you know. Well, let's go to the source. Lauren Scharf, what could possibly be the reason for them now stating they think they know where the body is, unless they've gotten some type of evidence regarding that? We don't know when they got this evidence that to lead them to this specific location. that after they had pressed the charges after the preliminary hearing which would have like led them during the winter time that they couldn't have searched and they're just now waiting for the weather to get better for to excavate that area okay jose scott morgan let me entertain your theory how about this how about they got an idea of where the body was, but they thought they could excavate before trial. Now they see they can't, so they've got to lay all their cards on the table and say, hey, we think we know where the body is. You're just not happy with an innocent explanation. You want something more nefarious?

No, no. But we're talking about snow melts and all these sorts of things. I'm not a weatherman either, just like I'm not. Well, I'm sure that won't stop you from giving your opinion. No, but, you know, I have to ask this question, Nancy. Why? Why at this moment in time? And I think that it's something that needs to be understood. And I've got to tell you, you know, back at you.

You mentioned the term you throughout the term elected D.A. OK, well, their neck is on the line here. Aren't they going to look silly if this turns out? Who gives a flying fig who looks silly? If you can find it goes to motivation, it goes to motivation. Oh, you know what? You want there to be a nefarious explanation for what they've done. I'm not buying into that.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. crime stories with nancy grace for those of you just joining us take a listen to our friends at fox 31 the move to dismiss an extremely rare move by da but may have been necessary when you have the judge strike 12 of your expert witnesses on things that are critical to proving your case, you really don't have a reasonable likelihood of success at trial anymore. Some attorneys describe the move as a do-over due to lack of evidence and witnesses. As a defense, I'm very frustrated that this appears to be an effort by the district attorney to retool, restart, and get away from significant

pretrial rulings. A case full of twists and turns took another today that no one expected. And that twist and turn regarding the judge dropping the case against Barry Morphew includes police claiming they believe they have located missing wife Suzanne Morphew's body. So now Joe Scott Morgan I guess your conspiracy theory that there is a nefarious or evil surreptitious sneaky reason for dismissing the charges I guess you'd have to accept that the cops are in on it too. Wow maybe Oj didn't do it maybe the cops did it were you one of those people because it sounds like you may be nancy is that mangino jumping in go ahead yeah this is this is matt mangino and and i think that that um uh joseph raises

a legitimate issue um you know i don't know that he's saying that there's a nefarious reason for it but we have to look at the track record of the prosecutor in this case. I mean, the court, you know, dismissed 12 of 14 expert witnesses and said that their behavior during this, you know, found a pattern of recklessness. You know what's interesting about you and Joe Scott? You know what's interesting about the two of you? Both of you seem to be focusing on a witch hunt of the prosecution. Both of you. All you can say is the prosecution did this wrong. The prosecution did that wrong. What the hell about the dead body? Can we focus on that for a minute? That's why I'm here. I'm here right now because I want justice for Suzanne

Morphew wherever that may lead me does it lead me to bury Morphew maybe maybe not but I can tell you this much I'm more worried about her body being under six feet of snow right now than I am about you and Joe Scott Morgan doing the tango over what the prosecution may

have done wrong alright so can we focus on finding her body instead of you guys over what the prosecution may have done wrong. All right? So can we focus on finding her body instead of you guys throwing stones at the prosecution? If they've done something wrong, okay, they did. I'm not here to exonerate them. I'm here to find justice for Suzanne Morphew. So if anybody on this panel has anything to add about that, feel free to jump in. the meantime nancy yes okay i

spoke with a couple members of suzanne's family and they told me that they are hopeful that investigators will find suzanne suzanne's uh suzanne's remains and that they want to bring her back to indiana and give her a proper burial next to her dad. Suzanne's sister, Melinda, told me that she's trusting in God's perfect timing that all will be revealed. She says for the past two years, she hasn't been bitter or resentful because of God. And the family is putting their trust in the work, in the investigators work to, you know, find Suzanne. And Melinda also said that she, you know, has compassion for the daughters of Suzanne too. I want to go back to Dr. Jory Crawson joining us, psychologist and faculty St. Leo.

Little lies bother me, especially when they are in conjunction or contemporaneous with the disappearance and I believe murder of mom, Suzanne Morphew. went away on Mother's Day when he knew his grown girls were out on a camping trip, and then lied about what time he left the home, what time he last saw Suzanne Morphew, claiming he had a work job, but then hastily trying to put together a work crew as he was driving, going within a stone's throw that early, early morning, around three or four o'clock in the morning, to where Suzanne Helmut was found out in a field.

I mean, just the lies, they really stick in my craw. Lies by the husband. Contemporaneous with the wife's murder. No, I reject that. Wasn't he actually seen on some video cameras visiting different dumpsters? Let's ask Lauren Scharf. Lauren, help me. Yeah. Isn't that true? What our friend, Jory Croson just said. Yeah, the prosecution had surveillance video

and photos of him going to at least, I think, five different dumpsters when he was going to Broomfield or around the time he was in Broomfield on Mother's Day, throwing away things. At one dumpster, I i think they see him on surveillance video like pushing the trash that he had put in like all the way down past his elbows into the

trash how many dumpsters did he visit five at least that's what i think there was five yeah i remember the record and when were they done was the dumpster visit when were the dumpster visits when were the dumpster visits as it relates to the time Suzanne went missing, Lauren Scharf? The same day she went was reported missing. You know, if my husband God please forbid ever goes missing

I would do everything in my power to find him. Take a listen to our cut 20, our friends at Fox 21 Curious. They want to stay anonymous but say they're worried Suzanne's husband Barry is tampering with the investigation. This family member says Barry refused two polygraph tests and a critical analysis test. The family member also says data collected from Barry's truck doesn't match up with the information he gave investigators. As of Monday night,

no clarification was offered on any of that information by the Chafee County Sheriff's Office. Let me understand then, Lauren Scharf, when they say the navigation system on his car's GPS did not match up with his story, what exactly does that mean? Like his truck telematics. So, you know, when you do things, even if you like break or open the door or close the door, there's data that's, you know, reported. And what that data showed did not line up with what he had told investigators. To me, that is damning. Also, we were speaking of this earlier. Take a listen to Hour Cut 31 on our friend Dr. Fields. We were fortunate enough to have search dogs in from Missouri

and another set from New Mexico yesterday. And we made a little discovery. The dogs hit in a particular area, which we turned over to the FBI now. There's two areas of interest, and I've got a third one on the way tomorrow. So they actually hit on something. So tell me about these dogs. Two of them were small Australian shepherds, I believe. They were black and white. And when they go in and they see something suspect or smell something suspect,

they'll taste the grass and they'll circle the item many times. And then they'll finally sit down on it. And the German shepherds behave almost the same way, only they get extremely excited. Their faces will wrinkle up. Their ears will come forward to catch scent. They'll also kind of scratch on the site. They'll dig.

I hate to ask this, but are these scent and hunting dogs? Are these cadaver dogs? What type of training do these dogs have? A cadaver. I believe a dog overbery morphew any day of the week but that's not all take a listen our cut 37 our friend dr phil the evi information on the struck didn't line up though he said he saw her at 5 00 a.m and he did not and and how do you know that testimony from an employee that he was rambling down the road, texting people at four in the morning, trying to get them to go to Broomfield.

So. Can't be at home at five. And talking to somebody on the road at four. Right. So the timeline doesn't add up at all. No, not at all. You've got two nieces, Mallory, who's now 22, and Macy, who's 16. Would she go off riding by herself or would she be in contact with them?

Would she go off the radar for seven days and have no social media presence, no presence electronically for that period of time with her daughters? No, absolutely not. And more from Suzanne Morphew's own blood brother, Andy Mormon on KTVR TV, our Cut 42. I think she was abducted Saturday, not Sunday. I don't think she ever got on her bicycle, if you want the truth of the matter. I expect that she was killed

and hidden somewhere in the mountains. And her husband's not involved in this search. Have you talked to him? What's the relationship there? I have not talked to him. He was invited into the search by Profiling Evil, and he did not respond. We ran into him yesterday, and he was out hanging trail cams with a shotgun on his shoulder and just kind of told us, you know, hey, you're about to step on private property. So we turned around and went back.

We did uncover some things on that mountaintop close to the home yesterday that are being processed by CBI and the Sheriff's Department. And we hope to find more today. Do you think anyone would want to hurt Suzanne? No I really don't. I'm afraid this is domestic abuse to be honest with you. The road to the truth is very rarely easy. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crumstorys signing off. Goodbye, friend.

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