Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - 'THIS ISN'T RIGHT': FAMILY OF JOCELYN , 12, ERUPTS; TX GIRL LURED, STRIPPED, STRANGLED

Episode Date: June 26, 2024

The two suspects in the murder of Jocelyn Nungaray have made their first court appearance.  The 12-year-old girl's family heard in harsh detail what happened to Jocelyn. Prosecutors say she fought like a superhero, fighting with her dying breath, leaving visible marks.  Johan Jose Rangel Martinez and Franklin Jose Pena Ramos, tie her hands behind her back, bind her feet, take off her shirt, and abuse her for hours under a bridge in north Houston.   Even though the police and the prosecutor believe Jocelyn was raped before she was strangled, the suspects are not charged with sexual assault as the rape kit results are still pending. The Harris County District Attorney, Kim Ogg, says they believe the evidence is clear that a sexual assault likely took place, but the defendants are not admitting yet. However, if the lab tests confirm that 12-year-old Jocelyn Nungaray was raped, the capital murder charge can be upgraded to one where they are death penalty eligible. In a dramatic court scene, a family member of Jocelyn Nungaray shouts "murderer" at Rangel-Martinez, while another shouts in Spanish, "I hope they kill your children." It has been reported the suspected murderer has two children.  Currently, both Martinez-Rangel and Peña are charged with capital murder, and a judge has set their bond at $10 million.  Joining Nancy Grace Today: Michael Ybanez – Former Houston Police Homicide Detective, Licensed Private Investigator Dr. Bethany Marshall – Psychoanalyst (Beverly Hills); X: @DrBethanyLive/ Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall; Appearing in “Paris in Love” on Peacock; BOOK: “Deal Breaker: When to work on a relationship and when to walk away” Andy Kahan - Director of Victim Services and Advocacy at Crime Stoppers of Houston Dr. Kendall Crowns – Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth) and Lecturer: University of Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School Corley Peel- News Reporter for KPRC2 in Houston; Instagram: @KPRC2Corley,  X: @KPRC2Corley, Facebook: @KPRC2CorleyPeel See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. This isn't right. The family of little Jocelyn, just 12 years old, erupts in open court when they are sitting there hearing the facts laid out in court that this little Texas girl, their Jocelyn, is lured under a bridge, stripped, bound with her hands behind her back, sex assaulted, and strangled. I guess they did erupt. This, as the prosecutor says, I don't know if we can seek the death penalty. You can. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

Slain 12-year-old girl Jocelyn Nungere's family lashing out in court as the two men accused of killing their daughter are arraigned, I hope they kill your children. I can't imagine the pain, the anger, the hurt that this family is feeling as we learn the defendants may not even be exposed to the death penalty. There's not a chance of the death penalty. What is the family supposed to think? They erupt in open court as they find out the horrific details surrounding the death of their girl, 12-year-old Jocelyn. Listen. This victim was found, you know, bound and without clothing from the waist down in the water. And we just think that there's a good possibility.

We hope that there's evidence that remains to be tested. I'm still fighting for her. And just remember that she was a very special little girl that deserves her justice. And I know she's going to make a difference in this world for all children and now it's my job to make sure it continues to happen. Why is it on the mom? Why is it her job to make sure that there is justice? And I gotta go to this panel. With me, an all-star panel. But first to Corey Pill, investigative reporter, KPRC2 in Houston. Corey, did I just hear the prosecutor, whom I've always respected up until a few moments ago, state she was found, pause, unclothed, pause, unclothed. Pause. Unclothed? Talk about putting perfume on the pig.

Airbrushing. Whitewashing. Unclothed. I could be in a changing room in Nordstrom's and be unclothed. This girl had 12, 12 had her hands bound behind her. She was forced under a bridge by two guys. She doesn't know adults. And she was stripped. She was stripped from the waist down. Her pants were off. I mean, to hear Og say it, unclothed? What? Yeah, these details were absolutely heartbreaking hearing in court. And, you know, at this point, they were still kind of skirting around the information on if she was sexually assaulted or not.

They're saying that they're still waiting on test results to come back to prove that she was, in fact, sexually assaulted. But those details, absolutely heartbreaking to hear in court, especially for Jocelyn's family. And as you can imagine, emotions were high. Yesterday, we heard a family member scream out at one of the suspects, calling him a murderer and killer as they were just in disbelief over this tragic and horrific crime could happen to their little girl. You're hearing Corey Peel, investigative reporter, KPRC2 in Houston. I want to go to Andy Kahn, longtime friend and colleague, director of victim services, Crime Stoppers in Houston. What in the world is going on?

Hey, New York, let me see the graphic of how you can get the death penalty in Texas, because I'm pretty sure if you commit an intentional murder, which strangulation death is, this is a manual strangulation by hands, while, and then they name a host of felonies, including kidnapping. Kidnapping. Kidnapping does not mean I bundle you in a trunk and I drive you 100 miles and hold you hostage. Kidnapping can mean taking you one foot or one inch. It's called, under the law, asportation. If that child is moved even one inch under the law against her will, that is a kidnap and therefore qualifies for a death penalty. Andy Kahn, what is going on in your hometown? You have a lot of convoluted laws that were passed years ago involving capital murder of anyone who murders

a child. And in 2019, they passed a law, our legislators passed a law removing the death penalty provision from anyone who murdered a child from the ages of 11 to 15, unless it was done in conjunction of another offense. I don't think there's any ifs, ands, or buts about it. She was taken against her will, more than likely sexually assaulted. But let's keep in mind, this is early. It's going to happen. Andy, I know that your politicians and the Texas legislature have gutted the rules for aggravating circumstances for the death penalty.

In many other jurisdictions, when a child under 14, 14 and under, is murdered, that automatically qualifies for a jury to look at the death penalty. Whether they give it or not, that's on the jury. But forget about the age requirement. Your legislature, your Texas legislature changed the rule where now the child has to be under 10 for it to automatically apply. That doesn't fit in this scenario because Jocelyn is 12. However, listen to me. There is another condition under your law that your legislature has managed not to get yet that says if the death occurs, the murder occurs during a kidnap,

that qualifies for the death penalty. So what's the problem? I don't get it. I don't get it either. My best guess is this is a slow moving scenario. They want to get first things done first, and then eventually they'll look at adding the death penalty. You know, there's a reason we have the death penalty in the state of Texas. We're known as the death penalty capital of the world. And if these two

defendants don't fit the criteria for the death penalty, you might as well just gut it all the way around. Guys, we are hearing that the death penalty is not being sought. And I'm not advocating pro or con right now. I am saying that if this case does not qualify for the death penalty to be at least presented to a jury who will they make the decision, not the prosecutor, but it's not going to even be given as an alternative to this jury because neither defendant has confessed to raping the girl. What? What? I've got to wait for them to confess. If I had to wait for every defendant, every killer, every rapist, every child molester to confess before they get sentenced, that's never going to happen. The Fulton County Jail would still be full of the thousands of people I prosecuted because nobody is going to confess. But this is what they did say.

You tell me what you think happened. Listen. Johan Jose Raniel Martinez and Franklin Jose Peña Ramos are both charged with capital murder. Peña Ramos tells police he tried to convince Raniel Martinez to stop the attack on Jocelyn, but he refused, telling Peña Ramos he had to finish what he started. Nuguri's hands are tied behind her back. Her feet are bound. Ronyal Martinez climbs on top of Jocelyn, covers her mouth, and strangles her to death.

Ronyal Martinez admits to tying Jocelyn up and tossing her body in the bayou, but claims he didn't kill her. Peña Ramos claims he only kissed the 12-year-old and denies any wrongdoing. Dr. Bethany Marshall, you know I'm a teetotaler, but this is driving me to the bottle. Dr. Bethany Marshall with me. We're now Psychoanalysts joining us out of Beverly Hills at drbethanymarshall.com. Dr. Bethany, I've had so many defendants and co-defendants who will tell you the story about what happened, their version. But they leave out the critical moment. For instance, Dr. Bethany and I were robbing a bank. And I said, don't kill anybody, Bethany.

And she went in. And we both had guns. And I turned my head for just a moment. And I heard a gunshot, but I didn't see anything. And when I turned back around, two bank tellers were dead and bleeding out in the floor. That one critical moment somehow gets fuzzy. And here we see both defendants, one claiming he quote, only kissed 12 year old Jocelyn while her hands were tied behind her back and her pants and underwear

were stripped off her body just before one of them crawled on top of the girl and strangled her saying quote he had to finish what he started and all the other one did was kiss her who in the H-E-double-L kisses a 12-year-old little girl tied up under a bridge with their pants and underwear stripped off? Who's kissing her? There's so many things wrong with this narrative and also so many telltale signs that they are lying. First of all, minimizing by saying I kissed her. Criminals always minimize. And as you pointed out, being so vague about the details. Sometimes they throw in too many details, but most likely in this case, they're leaving out a lot of horrific details that are going to come out as this court case continues. And also minimizing the fact that she is a 12-year-old little girl. And also the language is so inaccurate, Nancy.

Let's take out rape, assault, and kidnap. And let's put torture at the top of the list. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. crime stories with nancy grace let me go to another friend and longtime colleague dr kindle crowns chief medical examiner that's not easy you fight your way to get in medical school you fight your way through medical school you do a residency it's dog eat dog everybody Everybody wants your spot. And he somehow climbs his way to the top to become the chief medical examiner in Tarrant County. That's Fort Worth. That's this neck of the woods. Also lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. Dr. Kendall Crowns, I've prosecuted literally thousands of cases, thousands, all felonies. When you are

prosecuting and you didn't experience this, you have to be a machine. You cannot think about the details of the case or I would crack if I had to think about it. But as I'm listening to Dr. Bethany talk, I'm wondering if you go through this as you perform autopsies on little girls, little children. To think about what this girl, 12 years old. You know, my girl, she's about that big. Beautiful. Just like this little girl to be dragged under a bridge in the middle of the night don't you know she was crying and begging for them to stop what they were doing to yank her pants and underwear off to tie her bind her with her hands behind her back. And one of them claims, I only kissed her.

And with the marks on her back, this girl was raped. This girl was tortured. The last thing she saw was the dark of the night under a bridge where these two guys, these adult males she had never met before, assaulting her. Then probably the inability to breathe as one of them crawled on top of her and manually strangled the life out of her. Then leaving her semi-naked, throw her into the water. And video cam catches them, Dr. Kendall Crowns, just walking away like nothing had happened when you perform an autopsy do you let yourself

even think about these things or do you just become a robot and do it so you can't get emotionally charged when doing your work because that's going to cause you to miss things so you go through the story the information you have at the time before the autopsy begins, and then you process the case and go through it, and you don't get emotionally wrapped up in all the particulars of how horrific the incident that resulted in this individual's death is, because if you do do you can't do this job lured under a bridge stripped naked to the waist bound and then assaulted for two hours new court documents detail horrific allegations not only do we learn what happened under that bridge to little jocelyn

we learn what happened afterward listen just two days after Jocelyn Nungry's body is found, police say Ramos cut off an ankle monitor he was fitted with when he crossed the border illegally at El Paso on May 28th. The discarded ankle monitor was found days ago. Ramos, working in construction, asks his boss for extra cash so he can skip town. But instead of getting cash, the boss calls the police and Ramos is arrested. Straight out to Coralie Peel, investigative reporter, KPRC2, Houston. skip town but instead of getting cash the boss calls the police and Ramos is arrested straight out to Coralie Peel investigative reporter KPRC to Houston I hope what Og is saying I'm just

interpreting here is that when the rape kit comes back I'm going to go to you Dr. Kendall Crowns about how a rape kit is performed and really how long it takes. It doesn't take this long to get a DNA sample. It doesn't. So I'm not sure what they're waiting on because if there's DNA from one of the defendants to show that she was raped, she's on sperm from one defendant, they're both going to be charged with rape because while one was raping her the other one was standing by what laughing holding her down oh h-e-l-l-n-o they're both going to be charged with that and both be death penalty qualified um corley peel again investigative news reporter kprc2 houston where this happened Let me understand how these two

were caught. I understand we've got surveillance video and the police did an incredible job of putting together a montage of the, let's see the 7-11, the 7-11 video, surveillance video. You can see as the surveillance video goes on, you see her walking, the little boyfriend, she's calling on her cell phone, reports hearing two adults in the back. Look at that little thing. She can't weigh over 90 pounds, if that. These two, there are the animals. There they are. And I normally don't use that phrase, but what they did to this little girl is like an animal out in the jungle. And they approach her. They approach her, apparently asking for directions.

She walks along with them because they apparently lived near each other, did not know each other. They're walking along. And the next thing you know, she's under a bridge bound being raped. So Coralie Peel, how did they get caught? The incredible surveillance montage that reveals everything. I just told you, you see them taking her under a bridge

and then walking away like, okay, that's done. But then in addition to the montage like, OK, that's done. But then in addition to the montage, witnesses emerge. That's right. I mean, those photos were essential in this case. As soon as the men saw their photos being plastered across the country, all over social media and all the news they got scared so one of the men Martinez there he actually shaved his beard and he apparently prosecutors found on his phone that he was trying to research ways on how to leave the country how to get out but it's really interesting because Franklin Pena he actually called

his boss asking for help, asking to gather some money together so he could get away. He told his boss that someone was killed. He was in an issue that he needed to get out of. The boss thought that was very suspicious. Okay, hold on. Corley Peel, again, you got me drinking from the fire hydrant. You know so many facts and I'm trying to write as quickly as I can. Could you back it up just a little bit, and I'll catch up. I wish I knew shorthand. I don't.

Okay, go. Yeah, so basically, long story short, he calls 911, or the boss at the construction company calls police, and that's how police were ultimately able to track down both men at their apartment complex and take them into custody. And I talked to prosecutors at that press conference. And I said, you know, was this boss the reason why they were captured? And they said, that is one of the reasons why, just because they have received hundreds of tips over that course of that week while they were on the run. But again, they got scared after these photos were released and people were looking for them. And now Coralie Peel from KPRC2 is telling us more that when these photos began to

populate on TV, people were seeing them. Their friends who knew them saw the TV and they asked the boss. These two defendants asked their boss. One of them asked for an advance in money, said somebody had died and they needed to get out of the jurisdiction. You know, when I see a broadcast on TV or somebody calls me and gives me a tip about a murder, I don't try to leave the country. They did. What about it? Those are indicative of guilt, Nancy. These guys knew that they were in trouble.

They knew people were going to see the advertisement, the warnings on TV, and they knew that they were in trouble. They knew people were going to see the advertisement, the warnings on TV, and they knew that they had to leave the country or leave the state as soon as possible. They're criminals. They're animals. That's what they do. They run and they flee. Jocelyn Nungere fought back, prosecutors say, leaving scratches and bite marks on one of her attackers, still visible at the time of his arrest. Bite marks. Let's talk about bite marks. Joining me, Corley Peel, investigative reporter, KPRC2

Houston. Corley, I want to talk about the injuries to not only the two defendants. Do you know when we first started talking, I almost got sick to my stomach as you were describing everything. Because when I was talking to Dr. Kendall Crowns about letting your mind go to where this was that night and what the little girl lived through,

what Jocelyn lived through just before her death while her mom is snoozing away. No idea that anything's happening to her baby. But I now want to talk about the evidence and get my mind back in the middle of the road and out of the weeds. Tell me about the injuries on her and the two defendants. Yeah, heartbreaking information that we received in court this week. Apparently, from what we heard from prosecutors, that Jocelyn was found with cuts on her body and scratches, as well as she was found bound and tied underneath that bridge. And we also learned that Martinez-Rangel, he was also found with bite marks and scratches on him when he was arrested.

So very heart-wrenching information to hear from prosecutors as they release that evidence, and especially hard for her family to hear because she's only 12 years old. No family should have to hear that a little girl had to endure that type of horrific murder. I don't want us to gloss over the truth. And here's the truth. Two illegal Venezuelan migrants are now accused of murdering a 12-year-old little Houston girl. Andy Kahn, listen up. You're next. Under a bridge, according to prosecutors, they strip her naked. That's from the waist down. Assaulted her for two hours. Two hours.

This 12-year-old girl was assaulted. Assaulted. What does that mean? Raped. That's what that means. And one of them has the audacity to tell me, I just kissed her. You kiss a 12-year-old little girl tied up under a bridge, half naked? Assaulted her for two hours, allegedly binding her, not only by her hands, behind her back during the rape. Her feet were also bound, as Dr. Bethany Marshall accurately pointed out, and her back was covered in cuts.

What does that tell you, Andy Cahan? Her back was covered in cuts. Nancy, this is a real-life Texas Chainsaw Massacre, what happened to Jocelyn. The only way I can describe what happened to her, when you ask people, well, what happened exactly, is if you watch a National Geographic show and you see what lions do to gazelles. And that's what these two lions do to this poor child right here. It is an absolute bloodbath what happened to her.

I've spoken with Jocelyn's family. I've met them. I've spoken with Jocelyn's family. I've met them. I've talked with them. I can't imagine the pain that they're going through. Yet at the same time, we're also going to make Jocelyn Nungery a catalyst for change. I know there's a lot going on right now, whether they're going to be seeking the death penalty or not. IndyCon, too soon. Too soon to talk about how this is all somehow going to end up being good

and her rape and murder is going to be a catalyst for change. You know, I don't normally say this to you, IndyCon, but screw that. I don't want to hear how somehow we're going to turn this lemon into lemonade. Catalyst for change. BS, Con. What are you saying? And I asked you what these injuries meant and you skirted it. You did not answer the question. The question was, what do these injuries on her back mean? do I have to spell it out for you? It means that she was tortured. She was tortured. She was raped.

She was strangled. She was kidnapped. And by God, the death penalty is going to be sought in this case. That is no ifs, ands, or buts from my perspective. Dr. Bethany Marshall, you, as I, have worked with so many children and adults that were raped or sodomized as children. And what the adults tell me isestation told me about it. That she would actually disembody and she could look down at her body as her father was raping her. And her mother sided with the father and pretended she didn't know anything about it.

It went on for years. Okay. You have to go with me down this dark tunnel. Because I'm going to tell you what happened. This little girl, while bound with her hands behind her and stripped, was forced down on the ground and was raped for two hours. Then one of the defendants climbed on top of her and manually strangled her. And then they throw her body, likely face down, into a bayou. That's what happened to this girl.

She should be practicing her cello or what instrument she was playing. She should be enjoying summer, jumping in the apartment complex pool, playing with her friends, going to get ice cream, talking to her little BF boyfriend on the phone. But that's what happened to her. That is what those injuries tell me. And there's no way around it. I don't care how much everybody on this panel wants to skirt away from it. That is what happened. She was raped in the dirt, on the ground, under a bridge by two adult males while her hands were tied behind her back. That's what happened. And Nancy, if I could add to that, there was a moment before all this happened when these guys asked her for directions where she felt useful. She wanted to help them. And then for anyone who's listening, who's ever been in an accident, and all of a sudden, you know, things have turned,

there was that dawning of realization when they take her under the bridge that something really, really bad is going to happen. They bind her hands and her legs. And at that point, she may not even know what is about to befall her. But on some level, she knows she's going to die. They take their pants off. We're talking about them taking her pants off. Let's think about two grown men taking their clothing off in front of a little girl. We don't even know if she's ever seen a naked man before. And all those cuts along her back, they threw her on the ground. This was under a bridge. I picture, you know, empty aluminum cans and glass, you know, all the debris we see under bridges.

They threw her on that debris. And as they were raping her and thrusting themselves into her again and again, her back was scraping along the ground. They didn't rape her once, twice. These men raped her multiple times, each one looking on as the other one did it. That is animalistic behavior. Nancy, do you think women would do that to a little boy? No, it's not just the rape. It's the cruelty. It's the total lack of regard for what was happening to her body. And Nancy, these guys, I think, were drunk and substance abusing. So this does not

exonerate them, but it takes it a whole level worse where they are just treating her like a sack of potatoes. And the control room is reminding me in my ear, these two illegal immigrants charged with the murder of a 12-year-old little girl under the eyes of Lady Justice are innocent until proven guilty. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Two suspects. One claims he only kissed Jocelyn and tried to stop the attack as his friend climbed on top of the little girl, strangling her. Tried to stop the attack? How? It doesn't make any sense.

Why am I trying to apply logic to an illogical situation? Why am I trying to make sense about what these two are saying? Because it's all lies. All lies. DNA doesn't lie. Circumstantial evidence doesn't lie. This little girl did not bind herself at the hands and feet, scratch her back up on the ground, take off her own pants and underwear, and fling herself into the water. Okay, they did it. And anything they say is a lie. It's like the devil. Whatever he says, it's a lie. It doesn't matter. It's a lie.

They're lying. Now, we know in the last hours, the family has been subjected to hearing the facts the way we've been talking about them. No mother wants to hear this. I don't even want to hear it about another child. Much less this mom hearing it about her own child. And there was an explosion in the courtroom. Not the first time. Listen. Oldest sister of Errol Lindsay.

Whatever your name is, Satan. I'm mad. This is how you act when you are out of control. I don't want to ever see my mother have to go through this again. Never, Jeffrey. Jeffrey, I hate you. I hate you. That's not what you do.

Don't fuck with me, Jeffrey. I'll kill you. I can't take it out of this. I can't get out of this. I can't get out of this. I only wish she had gotten her hands around his neck. And of course, we all know about our friend Mark Klass. His daughter Polly was kidnapped during a little spend the night party at her place in the middle of the night. I don't even say the defendant's name out loud. He took Polly. He raped her. He assaulted her and he murdered her. And in court, class, there's Polly,

class lunges for the killer and tries to strangle him right there. In another case, a martial arts expert molested a little boy, and when he was extradited back to Louisiana and he came off the plane, the dad shot him in the head. Later acquitted. But why are people suggesting that the family of Jocelyn misbehaved in the courtroom. They didn't misbehave. The two defendants misbehaved, according to police, to IndyCon director of victim services there in Houston.

Do you blame them? No, absolutely not. I mean, I've been in the courtrooms where families have gotten up and have yelled. I've been in a courtroom where a bailiff whispered to me and said, I'll let the father of the young girl that was murdered, if he goes over the rail, I'll give him a few minutes before I pull him off. No, nobody blames them for anything that happened. I don't blame them for unleashing as well. I would probably do the same. This is the worst possible scenario you can imagine this family is undergoing right now. Jocelyn is everybody's daughter.

She is everybody's sister. She is everybody's niece. This is not just a Houston issue. It's not just a Texas issue. She has become the national issue for what happens when you murder, rape, and strangle and kidnap a 12-year-old little girl. You know, Andy, again, I consider you a friend. We've worked together for many, many years. But does your mouth ever get tired of just saying the same thing? Blah, blah, blah. She's the poster girl for fill in the blank. She's a catalyst for change. She represents every girl. Really?

Then why do these people keep coming into our country and committing murders? And not just them. Other perps. You see it over and over. Repeat offenders preying on victims younger, less cunning, less powerful than they are. And they walk free and then they do it again. A catalyst for change. This is one in a string of many. Do I have to name them off?

There's Lake and Riley. There's Molly Tibbetts. There's Rachel Morin. He goes on and on. For Pete's sake, man. Second verse, same as the first. That's why I'm here to do that. To make sure that what happened with her,

at least we can make the attempt that it doesn't happen to somebody else. That's the least we can do in her honor and in her memory. And that's what we're going to do. You know what, Andy Khan? You're right. I'm sorry. You just happen to be the target of my anger and frustration about what happened to this girl. Dr. Kendall Crowns, how are we going to prove she was raped?

How does it happen? And that medical examiner darn well being dotting his I's and crossing his T's as he or she performs this rape kit. So proving a sexual assault, you can look for damage to the vagina, the anus. Usually it's tearing, contusions or bruises, abrasions or scratches from the forceful penetration. And then you can also do a sexual assault kit, also known as a rape kit, where you collect evidence, pubic hairs from the individual, also any hairs that are on the body. You do DNA swabs of the body as well as DNA swabs of the vagina, anus, and mouth. And then those can be tested for DNA of the possible perpetrator. It can take several weeks for all that to come back, though.

Dr. Kendall-Crowns, you and I both know that it doesn't take several weeks to get DNA. Why are you saying that? Well, it does take several weeks for the testing to get done. You can't just expect it to happen overnight. There's not an immediate DNA test because I've had them done at the crime lab. I mean rapid DNA tests are you. There's a quick test result. Well you can get quick test results correct but you can't necessarily pinpoint it to a specific individual without doing all the specific testing. Well okay then your Texas crime lab must work differently than the one that I use because we can get quick test results.

I know they're not as reliable as the ones that take two weeks, but it's enough for a death penalty indictment. And one more thing very quickly, Dr. Kendall Crowns, about the bite marks. In her condition, tied up, hands and feet, on her back. She managed to bite a defendant. Is there a chance we could get his DNA out of her mouth? Yes, that is a possibility. If she bit hard enough and pulled skin cells off, it's possible that they could get it from her mouth. Back to Corley Peel, KPRC 2. What is happening right now?

Well, right now, both men are in jail with $10 million bonds each. This investigation is ongoing. Prosecutors say that they're still waiting on test results to prove if Jocelyn Nungare was sexually assaulted. So we're still waiting to see if those charges will be upgraded or if they will face the death penalty because of right now, based on the legislature, they're not death penalty eligible. So still a lot more to uncover in this case, for sure. Michael Lovana is the bottom line. They're kicking back, having three hots and a cot. The investigators are at the mercy of the legal system. They have to abide by what the district attorney guidance that they give them.

They honestly do probably want to file sexual assault, but they have to wait for the results. They're at the mercy of the crime lab. Oh, OK. So I guess she had her pants pulled off and had scratches on her back. And one admits that he was kissing her. I guess that's not enough for them yet. But I'm telling you, you can't get any DNA response. Well, you can say that, but I've tried plenty of cases with circumstantial evidence and

without DNA before the advent of DNA and all I was a blood type. Okay. So it can be done. It's going to be a circumstantial case because neither one wants to admit they minimize their actions. Okay. To hear Michael LaVonis tell it, I've got to wait on a confession. And that'll be a cold day in HEWL before these two confess. Andy Kahn, am I the one upside down here? Before a Texas jury, I could probably step outside when they get the case, go to the restroom, come back, and they'll pronounce them guilty and sentence them to death. There is no way a jury is not going to sentence these two to death. If it is sought.

And you know what else breaks my heart, Andy Kahn? That the mom, God be with her, keeps saying, thank you everybody for all your support. I'm so grateful. She shouldn't even be in this position. And I heard Og, who's a pretty good prosecutor, state that the prosecutors and law enforcement are under so much pressure because there is just a wave, wave after wave after wave of criminals from other countries coming into our country. And right there is one of the hubs where they come in. So I've got to contend with not only our U.S., our American citizens performing depraved acts on children. Now I've got them coming over to do it. Actually, last year, last August,

I worked with a family whose 11-year-old girl was raped and murdered by an undocumented immigrant who is now facing the death penalty. That was last August. So, sadly, I've worked with families that are facing this situation, and yeah, it's a broken system all to hell. or think you know anything about this case that could help the state build the case dial 713-308-3600 repeat 713-308-3600 I want to thank all of our guests as our prayers go out to this little girl J Jocelyn, and her family, her mother, and her little brother. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart Podcast.