Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - TWIN SISTERS: ONE DEAD, ONE SEARCHING FOR A KILLER

Episode Date: December 27, 2024

Jody LeCornu and her boyfriend argue, leading to a suggested separation. Her boyfriend asks Jody not to come home that night. After work, the 23-year-old decides to go out with friends to a favorite hangout, the Mt. Washington Tavern. At closing, LeCornu drives a tavern employee home, then stops at an ATM to withdraw money. In the early morning hours on York Road in Baltimore, a white BMW pulls up close to Jody's car, and a man gets out. Jody rolls down her window, and a brief exchange takes place. At 3:40 a.m., the man fires a .38-caliber handgun through the back left passenger window of Jody's car. The bullet strikes her back, severing her spine. As Jody LeCornu flees for her life, the gunman follows closely in the white BMW. Eyewitnesses at the Giant Supermarket and a person making a delivery to Boston Market hear the gunshot and see Jody driving across York Road into the Giant parking lot. She circles the parking lot and coasts to a stop after hitting a curb between the Boston Market and Firestone Tire and Service Center. The shooter waits for Jody's car to come to a complete stop, then pulls his vehicle directly behind hers. Witnesses describe the shooter as a Black male, 5'10" to 6'1", around 220 pounds, wearing a green fatigue-style coat. He gets out, reaches into Jody's car, puts it in park, and takes her purse and cell phone before leaving the scene in his white BMW. The time is 3:41 a.m., and witnesses call 911. Investigators have eyewitness accounts of the man approaching Jody's Honda in the Giant Food Store parking lot and taking items from her car before driving away. Surveillance video and fingerprints also exist. However, no arrest has been made. Joining Nancy Grace today: Jennifer “Jenny” Carrieri  -Twin sister of Jody LeCornu Dr. Joni Johnston – Forensic Psychologist and Private Investigator (performs risk and threat assessments on violent offenders); Author: “Serial Killers: 101 Questions True Crime Fans Ask” Sheryl McCollum – Cold Case Investigative Research Institute Founder & Host of “Zone 7;” X: @149Zone7 Dr. Michelle DuPre – Forensic Pathologist and former Medical Examiner, Author: “Homicide Investigation Field Guide” & “Investigating Child Abuse Field Guide”, Ret. Police Detective Lexington County Sheriff’s Department Jeff Abell  -  Reporter/Anchor for WBFF - Fox 45 Baltimore, Maryland See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You're listening to an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Twin sisters, a bond like no other. Tonight, one twin sister dead. One sister searching for a killer. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

A gorgeous 23-year-old makes a final stop on her drive home. That stop changes everything. What happened to this beautiful girl, now dead, separating two twin sisters forever? Joining us tonight, Jennifer, Jenny Careri, still searching for justice for her sister, Jodi. Jenny, thank you for being with us. Tell me, tell us all about when you learned something horrible had happened. Thank you. And I just got really emotional for a second. So I was living out west in California and we had been separated for a little while.

And we talked regularly, saw each other regularly. And I got my, I was engaged and my fiance walked into the door and said, I tried to call her that morning. It was my parents' wedding anniversary and I tried to call her and she didn't answer the phone. And I just had this weird feeling like something was wrong, but nothing, but nothing this terrible.

And he walked in and said, Jodi's dead. And, um, just, I pretty much just like dropped to the floor and was just in shock. And just, he said she was shot and it was, it was just all so hard to even just comprehend it. I mean, I'd only seen something like that in a movie. But to hear that was just, you know, I just couldn't cope. I just kind of shut down. You know, at that point, you just kind of go into the motions, just trying to do what you got to do. I'm trying to just get home to my family. Jennifer, Jenny Careri joining us, the twin sister of Jodi.

Question, Jenny, I'm very curious. You stated that you had a feeling, a gut feeling that something was wrong. Tell me about that. I had been worried about her because she was having some struggles. We both did as we grew up together. And that was one of the reasons why we had been separated. She always answered the phone, you know, even though we weren't in the same state, we were still just inseparable. And I just had this pit in my stomach that something was wrong. Jenny, you stated that you guys both had trouble growing up and were separated. What happened? My sister and I started down that path of struggling with eating disorders

and I was trying to get my life together. And so that's why I didn't come back right away. What type of eating disorder did you guys develop? We both had anorexia and bulimia when we started when we were 13. Jenny, you have earlier stated that you and your sister, Jodi, were sex abused as well. By whom? Our next door neighbor. We were living on the Naval Academy. My father was an officer there.

And we were in third grade, fourth grade. We were in third grade, fourth grade. We were in elementary school. To Dr. Joni Johnston joining us, forensic psychologist, performing risk assessments, author of multiple books, including Appearance Obsession, Learning to Love the Way You Look, and Fight Your Fright, a holistic approach to understanding and overcoming anxiety. Dr. Joni Johnston, thank you so much for being with us. Number one, how does being raised by an alcoholic father throughout your formative years and you, your family, including you, having to put him in a facility

away from the family, combined you, having to put him in a facility away from the family, combined with childhood sex abuse, turn a beautiful young pair of sisters like Jenny and Jody into patients in a facility to fight eating disorders, life-threatening eating disorders? Well, we know that trauma just carries from generation to generation. And that's something that I think, you know, not just in terms of the diagnosis. So when we talk about somebody who's raised by an alcoholic parent, it's not necessarily that their sibling or their child is going to become alcoholic. But what that does tell us is that the way that people cope, the way these children learn to cope with things can be similar. And so we look at eating disorders, we look at addictions and those kinds of things. There are

a lot of similarities between them. And one of them is a difficulty learning how to deal with those feelings and knowing what to do with that trauma. And if we don't develop those kind of those coping mechanisms, then we develop ones that are not healthy, including addiction and those kinds of things. And certainly when we talk about twins, I mean, twins, I can't think of any relationship that's closer than twins. So it would make sense that not only do you have two twins who are trying to navigate this together, but the relationship between the two of them becomes very complicated. To try and fathom what Jodi lived through as a child, the demons that haunted her, yet she was coming through.

She was becoming a huge success in her life, beloved, beautiful, and young. How did this gorgeous young girl who had overcome the battle of a life-threatening eating disorder, the battle of having her father put away due to extreme alcoholism, overcoming having been molested as a little girl in the third grade, yet she was on a roll. How does this beautiful woman end up alone in her car and shot dead in a parking lot? Let's take a listen again to that 911 call. Joining me, an all-star panel to make sense of what happened to Jody. We want answers tonight, as does Jody's twin sister. Joining me, Cheryl McCollum, founder and director of the Cold Case Research Institute and host of a hit podcast, Zone 7. Cheryl, that night, Jody alone in her car, approached by an unknown male and shot, basically point blank. Tell me what happened.

Nancy, she pulls into this parking lot. She's by herself. It's empty. It's about 3 o'clock in the morning. A car pulls in, approaches her. A man gets out. She rolls down the driver's window. They have some type of exchange. He pulls a weapon. She starts to try to drive off.

He fires one shot. She then drives into the parking area across the street where she rolls to a stop. And by the time witnesses can get to her, she has died. It seems so random. In addition to Cheryl McCollum, forensics expert, Dr. Joni Johnson and twin sister, Jeannie Careri. Joining me now, Jeff Abel, Baltimore reporter and anchor WBFF Fox 45. Jeff, thank you so much for being with us. Tell me about the area where this occurred. Well, the area was just right at the city county line, and this was right into Baltimore County. It's a very middle class, very nice area. Towson University, a very well-respected school, is nearby. And it is not a place where you would

go to find any number of homicides. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace To Jenny Careri, this is Jody's twin sister. What did police tell you happened the night your sister was killed? At that time, they were speaking with my father, who was a state's attorney in another county, who actually prosecuted drug and violent crime. I wasn't speaking with them because I couldn't really function for a long time. But basically that, you know, they're doing all they can to figure out what happened and that they had the description. They had a lot of evidence that it was an African-American male, stocky build, I think it was 5'10 to 220 pounds, that there was video footage, there was six witnesses, there was fingerprints.

I mean, I don't know if they knew all that. I mean, that was just kind of all the stuff that they got from early on. And, you know, my father trusted them being in the law enforcement, but I later on did not. So that's a whole nother story. But like I said, my father was the one that was talking with the detectives at the time and, um, and, and they would give them updates. And, um, I, I think early on there was just different report. There was different theories they were looking into that it was, um, that it was a robbery, um, um, drug deal gone bad. There was no drugs in her system, um, that it could have, they looked in, it was, if it was somebody

he prosecuted, there was just different scenarios they were playing out. It was just a very lot of strange things that happened that night with her just being such a scared person. Everything she did was really out of character. So just kind of. Right. What do you mean by she was a scared person? She was really scared of everything. Just had a lot of, we both did, had a lot of anxiety.

I mean, she was scared of her closet. I mean, she would not, she would not, I mean, she was scared of driving the snow. She was scared to be out late at night, but she and her boyfriend had gotten into a fight that morning and told her not to come home and why she didn't make arrangements to go somewhere or do something. And she was asked to drive the janitor home who had some sort of, I don't know, some sort of like disability. Yeah. Yeah. And she was asked to drive him home. And not that she wouldn't do anything for anybody, but that was just another thing that I thought. Out on the road late at night was very uncharacteristic. Yes. Yes. And to go sit in a dark parking lot a minute from her house and have her window rolled down. I mean, no, none of it makes any sense. A woman sitting in her own car, minding her own business, is shot dead by

what we believe to be an unknown assailant. We have a photo of the car. Why can't we find the perp? What more do we know about that night? Listen. Jody LaCornu is able to get her car across the street from the assailant in front of the giant supermarket. To her surprise, the gunman follows Jody and parks directly behind her car, waiting for her to come to a complete stop. As Jody LaCornu flees for her life, the gunman follows close behind in a white BMW. Eyewitnesses at the giant supermarket and another person making a delivery to Boston Market hear the gunshot and hear Jody driving across York Road To Cheryl McCollum joining me, director of Cold Case Research Institute and star of Zone 7 podcast. Cheryl, I don't find it that unusual at all.

Yes, I know she didn't like to drive at night. She didn't like driving in at night. She didn't like driving in the snow. She was afraid of her own closet. All of this is because of childhood trauma. I'm not a shrink, but I know that much. An alcoholic dad that you, the child, may feel responsible for putting in a treatment, in a rehab, and then going through your life being haunted by that and sex abuse in the third grade. This woman on the outside had it all going for her. Absolutely beautiful, accomplished, educated. I know she didn't like being alone out at night and would go to great lengths not to do it. But this is where she finds herself after she

goes with co-workers to a tavern. Then a guy that had a developmental handicap asked for a ride home. Okay. Out of her kind nature, she says, sure, even though it's getting really late. Okay. She's had an argument with her boyfriend. She doesn't want to go back home, Cheryl. So she pulls off and she's sitting in a car, minding her own business, probably wondering like, what am I going to do now? Should I go home? Will we continue to argue? Will it all have blown over? What should I do when she's shot dead? So everyone, not on this panel, of course, seems to be attacking her for sitting in her car by herself. I don't get it, Cheryl. What did she do wrong?

To your point, Nancy, in that parking lot are lights and her car was under one of them. So she was illuminated right across the street. There were people unloading at the grocery store. So there were people around. So maybe she didn't feel completely alone. It's not like she was way far away in the dark somewhere. There were people milling about, at least six that we know of. This lady, young girl or young woman, minding her own business, and she gets gunned down.

If anybody is out there that remembers anything, the number 410-887-3943. Repeat 410-887-3943. There is a reward for information leading to the cracking of this case. You know, Jeff Abel joining us, a reporter, investigative reporter and anchor for WBFF. You've poured through this case with a fine tooth comb. And I really resent aspersions being cast on Jody, who was doing nothing wrong. She goes out with friends after work. How many times after a really horrible day at the district attorney's office did a lot of my co-workers end up at a place called Manual's Tavern? Everybody went there and you would talk about your day or not. And many of them would stay into the night.

And yeah, a lot of them would drink to deal with what they had been doing all day long. Child molestations, rapes, tortures, murders, you name it. This girl minding her own business. You've got to tell me something, Jeff. What can you tell me about this parking lot and what I don't get? Don't we have pictures of the vehicle? Shouldn't we be able to track the person down through the tag? There were a lot of breakdowns that night when it came to collecting information and evidence. It was almost a perfect storm breakdowns that night when it came to collecting information and evidence. It was almost a perfect storm of failures that night when it came to collecting evidence. There were indeed those six witnesses that were there and heard or saw something,

but none of them could definitively give any information about the suspect, his looks. We know he's about 6'1 and about 210, 220 pounds, but that's about it. There were security cameras in the area, and not all of them were working, especially the one that was in the immediate area of this incident. It was broken that night. The ones farther away were working, but as you know, the quality of those cameras were not as defined as they are today. So they provided some grainy pictures of the crime scene. You couldn't even make out the license plate number. It was also the weather conditions, as you can see in some of the photos. It was a very snowy, a very cold night. And that also inhibited the visibility. So police had a

lot going against them. and the evidence was just not there yet. You know, the photos that we've got, Jeff Abel have the vehicle. Now her car is the white Honda. His car, the perps car is this white BMW. And every photo I've got has the tag blurred out. I can't see the tag. It's really hard for me to believe that I can see the BMW insignia, but nobody can make out the tag. That's total BS, Jeff. It's hard for everyone to believe. When this happened, I think most people thought, well, she was a student also at Towson University, a very respected school in this area. Her father was the state's attorney and an adjoining county and very respected family,

and everyone thought he's in law enforcement, this thing will get solved in record time, but we still have no resolution. This is Jody's sister, her twin sister, Jenny Carreri. Jenny, I don't understand why that tag number is blocked out in every photo we have. If I can make out the BMW insignia, certainly we could at least make out a partial plate. Right. Nancy, as Jeff has been saying, it's just a perfect storm of nothing done right. It was mishandled. We weren't treated properly by the police. I mean, I had to get a lawsuit to get

our records. I mean, it was a whole nother, not only grieving her death, but battling the police, which ended up, I spent years becoming my own detective, going out on the streets, finding people, going into Baltimore, talking to a prisoner who I'm still talking to now, that one of the suspects and, you know, putting up my own billboards. The main detective, thank God he's not on the case anymore, was just such a scumbag, was, you know, disrespectful, incompetent, lied to me, you know, and when my parents, they kept her car for a short period of time, they found the fingerprinting kit in the car. Like, I mean, everything was just sloppy from day one.

I would reach out to the detective to ask him a question and he would like text me and like hit on me. I was supposed to do an interview on Baltimore and he was supposed to show up. He wouldn't show up. And I'm putting my heart and soul, you know, for years, you know, taking myself away from my family, which my quest for her trying to find her killer broke up my family, my husband and I got divorced. And it, I mean, it just destroyed my family. Thankfully, we have gotten back together and trying to like work through everything, but a loved one shouldn't have to try to solve the murder. You know, I feel like that's the police job, you know, they're the detective's job. And if they were doing their job and then, you know, us out on the streets here wouldn't have to be doing all that we're doing, you know, dying inside. I mean, it's literally like destroyed me. I mean, I remember in the midst of all of this with this lawsuit, and I remember driving down a two-lane road and being like, I just wish somebody would hit me. It's too much.

You know, part of the battle would be, you know, having the police on your side, which just, which never was the case. And that was just, it was just, it's been very, very difficult. Thankfully, we have a new detective on the case since COVID that's been really a great person and trying to help. And for so many years, I felt like they're incompetent. They're hiding things. They wouldn't want to show us anything. They wouldn't let us have the autopsy. I mean, nothing. They didn't want to give us any information. I never even saw crime scene photos till they put them in People magazine. Like, it's just the way they've handled everything has just been so bizarre. I mean, you've seen more than me for cases.

I don't know. Is this a normal way? And the fact that nothing ever works out, that, you know, the cameras were down. They can't see the video. You know, Baltimore, because she died on the line, Baltimore City, who has a lot more manpower offered to help with the case. And they're like, no, butt out. Joining me, Dr. Michelle Dupree, renowned forensic pathologist, medical examiner, former detective, and author of multiple books, including Money, Mischief, and Murder, The Murdoch Dynasty, the rest of the story. And for my purposes, my favorite book of hers is the Homicide Investigation Field Guide.

Dr. Dupree, thank you for being with us. Doctor, could you explain what Jodi LaCornieu went through in her last moments? Her spine was shattered, yet she was still alive when EMTs got there. It was not a quick death. No, Nancy, this would have been horrifying. I'm sure she was terrified. She'd be very scared. She would feel basically her body disengaging. She would be, again, very, very scared. And it would be a terrible death. But I want to say two things, though. One is, I don't know that this is necessarily random. I think that's a little bit of tunnel vision to think that it is. And secondly, so many advances have been made with evidence in the last

25, 28 years. I hope all of this evidence is being rerun through the system again. Maybe there will be some clues coming out of that now. This beautiful young twin, Jodi LaCornue, and joining me now is her twin sister, Jenny Careri. One twin sister was murdered. The other twin, the remaining twin, is leading a battle for justice to catch a killer. So, Jenny, no one has ever explained to you why I keep looking at that car and the tag is blocked out. That is vital information. I mean, think about it, Jenny. In just the recent months, we've seen the Brian Koberger case where a white Elantra was spotted zooming away from the area by chance by a worker at a convenience store who combed through hours and hours and hours of video until she found the Elantra.

And then lo and behold, that Elantra was spotted near the crime scene where four beautiful University of Idaho students were murdered in their own beds. Not just that, we all know the name Gabby Petito. It was a pair of citizen sleuths that had heard about Gabby's white Ford Transit that she herself remodeled to become a rolling RV. And if it had not been for that vehicle being identified, we would never have known that her fiance, Brian Laundrie, murdered her, leaving her body to decompose out in dispersed camping where very few people ventured. It goes on and on and on. There's Michelle Parker, the so-called people's court mom, her unique vehicle where she had written on the side on the glass, she had an ad for her business. If that had not been released, we would never have known anything about her case.

Yet we don't have the tag number? Really? I find that very hard to believe. I mean, really, everything that they've done, I've found hard to believe. I mean, I've found out a lot of stuff in my own detective work that I've had to share with them that they didn't even know. So it baffles me, Nancy. I don't know. I don't know why, you know, with all the pressure that they've had on them from the beginning, you know, like Jeff was saying with my dad being in with the state's attorney's office. I mean, I didn't expect, you know, the best, I mean, you know, better treatment,

but at least, you know, the normal treatment with her case, but UT cases solved when they find like a dirt, you know, or rock, you know, something crazy. And, and that just was all the evidence, you know, I had to like beg them and beg them and beg them to do and show, remember this, the, um, the MVAC to do like the DNA testing. It's like, they never wanted to do anything. Like if I just had ignored them, I mean, they would tell me, they told me her case was, yeah, her case was sitting in a closet collecting dust. That's what they would tell me. You know, interesting about what you're saying. Cheryl McCollum has a theory. Cheryl and I are both coming from law enforcement perspectives. Cheryl McCollum, you've got your own unique theory. And it ain't. You've got the family not using, you know, having to sue them. The law enforcement won't use the media. The phone calls, they're going to tell the family two of the phone calls, but not all the phone calls.

To me, Nancy, when you've got the same detective for 25 years that won't move on anything, it feels like to me that this perpetrator is a confidential informant. They're protected. Cheryl McCollum, when you say CI, confidential informant, explain to those that are not in law enforcement what that means. Oftentimes, if you arrest someone, and let's say they're a low-level drug dealer, they may can give you the bigger fish, so to speak. So who are you getting this product from? Who's running this organized crime? So what you try to do is arrest up.

You go to the next biggest person, so you make a deal. Hey, I'm going to cut you loose. I'm going to leave you on the street so you can keep feeding me information of who's doing bigger and better crimes out there. Straight out to Jeff Abel, investigative reporter and anchor WBFF Fox 45 there in Maryland. Jeff, thank you for being with us. What does the PD have to say about this? Well, for their part, you know, this case has become the largest cold case in Baltimore County history. You go to the police department and there are boxes stacked to the ceiling

of evidence that are sitting there. And they insist they have interviewed, and they insist they've re-interviewed all of the witnesses. And more recently, they did perform some DNA tests on some DNA on the victim's clothes, but none of it has proven to be conclusive. And so you talk to them and they say they are doing all they can. There have been differing levels of dedication, it seems, to this case over the years because every three, four, five years we get a new police chief and a new round of dedication or lack of dedication toward the case. But the current administration seems to be a lot more dedicated to trying to get this cleared, but we'll see. Is there a new detective on the case, Jeff? There is a new detective, yes. It's Josh Battaglia, correct? That's correct. Straight out

of Cheryl McCollum joining us, forensics expert and law enforcement. At least they've cared enough to put a new detective on the case. But Cheryl, with six witnesses, a shot of the getaway car, you've got ballistics, you've got to have the bullet. I assume the bullet was recovered, Jeff. Is that correct? Yes, it was. I mean, good gravy. Cheryl McCollum, we just got to put that through the database and see if that bullet matches up. I mean, what is going on? What is happening within the Baltimore PD? They need a fire under their backside. They have got to let the family know those phone calls, who they were to.

Nancy, if something were to happen to me and the detective said, well, the last person she called was a defense attorney, why was she calling a defense attorney? Was she in some trouble? You would be able to tell them that's Renee Rockwell. They're friends. It wasn't her calling a defense attorney. They've got to talk to Jenny. They've got to come clean with everything they've got and let her walk them through the victimology. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, it just takes one tip. Now, we know this guy reached into her car and took something out as she sat there dying. Dr. Michelle Dupree, you cannot convince me that she did not see him reach in her car and take something. Nancy, I believe she did.

And she probably would have been able to identify who he was. Again, I don't think this was random at all. The more I think about it, the more I agree with you. Jennifer, Jenny Careri joining us, Jodi's twin sister. Jenny, what have you, first of all, how did your search for the killer break up your marriage? Because I, it became the only thing that I was focused on was day and night I spent I don't know how many years just doing interviews to go you know going out finding people you know I'd find out you know some of the people that they had persons of interest I'd go find their

family members I drive places I I did tons of interviews and shows. And I just didn't care about anything else. I just wanted to find her killer. And I mean, I remember one time I was preparing for a show and I was pulling out all the pictures of Jodi and I and my daughter. She was a little girl at the time. And she came up to me and she brought her baby book and sat next to me and said, mommy, look at my pictures. And it just, it tore my heart out. Like, you know, here I am, like, I'm so, I've been so focused on Jodi's killer and she just

wanted me to, you know, cause I, I was just consumed by it, you know? Um, and she wanted me to, you know, cause I, I was just consumed by it, you know? Um, and she wanted me to, you know, look at her pictures. Instead, I've just was always focused on Jodi and who's the next person I can do the, do the interview with. And it, you know, and, and, you know, my husband and I had other problems like in every marriage, but this just was, you know, and he, he was supportive, but it got to the point it took over everything. And I really like I lost my mind, honestly. And I, you know, he would not lose your mind. I hear what you're saying, Cheryl, when you and I first met when I was prosecuting. Same thing.

It was still so fresh with me. My fiance's murder. All I could think about was putting the next bad guy in jail. I didn't care who you were, what you were saying to me. Nothing mattered. I didn't want a car. I didn't want jewelry. I didn't want a boyfriend. I wanted nothing. Friends, nothing. All I wanted was to solve the next case. And you can't talk to anybody like that. They have to come out of it themselves. Cheryl, do you remember those days?

I remember those days so clear. Nancy, I can remember you would have success after success after success. You never wanted to celebrate. You would come to manuals, you would have dinner, and you would go home to start prepping the next case while everybody else was celebrating your victory in court. I can't really

explain it. I understand what Jenny is saying. One marriage nearly destroyed. She's gotten another chance at that marriage. But now can we give her a chance to find her twin sister's killer? There is a $32,000 reward to help solve the case of the murder of Jodi LaCornu to her twin sister, Jenny Careri. Jenny, have you been speaking with a person of interest? Yes, he's been there. What's happening? So he's been their number one suspect.

And I actually started communicating with him years ago. I said to the detective that I want the previous detective who's no longer there. I said I would like to meet with him. And he said, well, why would he want to talk to you? And so I started to write letters to him and I opened up a P.O. box and just started communicating with him. And it was nothing. You know, it was just all this him writing about just nothing, you know, it was, it was basically just me like trying to get to him. He's writing about his days in prison. He didn't know who I was and religion and this and that. And, um, so my husband found out about it. So I had to cut that out. Um, he was very upset about that. I had sent a picture of myself to him. And he's always,

he's been in prison for trying to kill another girl. So he's been in, he's getting out actually November 22nd. I just got a call. I'm on this Vine. I don't know if you're familiar with this sort of thing where they let you know. So they call me today and I knew he was getting out, but I actually met with him about a month ago and was with him for like three hours. And, um, he, I a hundred percent believe, I, I believe that it's him. Um, and you know, he's failed the lie detector test. Why do you believe it's him? And how did he kill the other girl? He had? He tried to stab her to death. They were high on drugs. She was a stripper. He has his DNA on another murder that they haven't dealt with.

He has a record. Jeff and I were looking at it yesterday. He'll probably remember better than me, but he has a long history of, you know, his marriage. And he said he was with her the night Jodi was killed, but she came back and said she wasn't with him. He failed the lie detector test. So he lied about an alibi. Does he know you're Jody's sister? Yes. Yes. Cause I met with him. What about him makes you think he's the killer? I mean, I think cause there's so many things that point to him that it, that it is him. And, um, I mean, he told a prostitute that he killed her. A prostitute was brought in off the streets and, um, they never followed through. They never did anything. They said a prostitute's word is worthless in court as what they told me. So let me understand this. Um, you know, if if if I had to have put every witness on the stand that was a nun, a priest or a virgin, I wouldn't have I would never have won a case.

Who do you think somebody like him hangs out with? Mother Teresa? No. A prostitute. So it's a criminal element. So who told you you can't take the word of a prostitute? Because I have found them to be very reliable witnesses. The detective, the original detective. And when I share this information with the new detective Battaglia, we've talked about the prostitute. I don't know if I've told him all this. I mean, mean, he's aware about the prostitute. Yeah. I don't know that I told him all the conversations I had with the previous detective. But when I met with the suspect in prison, we met. It was arranged for me to meet him and it was all recorded.

And I said to him, I said, did you kill Jody? And he said, if I admit to that, I will never get out of here. Wait, you've got this on a recording? Yes. Have you given the recorded to Baltimore PD? They have it. They have it. Okay, Jeff Abel, what do I have to do? Put a keg of dynamite under the Baltimore PD's rear end? How much dynamite do you have? Well, I can get quite a bit if I have to. I asked my husband for a flamethrower for Christmas. I don't know if that's going to happen, but how can they stand by with evidence that the twin has amassed? This is rather new evidence. I don't know if they've actually moved. I know they haven't moved on it yet, but I know they do have

it and it is probably in their hands as of the past three or four weeks. I understand there might be some kind of deal they possibly are getting together to offer the suspect or the person of interest if he will just come forward with the information. But so far, there's been nothing that I'm aware of. Jenny, let me throw an idea at you. Would you agree to a deal where he would serve hard time running concurrent or at the same time as his other offenses if he admitted to Jody's death? Or do you hold out for more jail time? I just want to have answers. I would be okay with the time served. Absolutely. And I know some people wouldn't agree with that, but that's just for me, just because living. Can I give you a very important legal phrase? Screw them and the horse they rode in on. This is your business, not theirs. If you want answers, then God willing, you will get them. If you know or think you know

anything about the murder of this beautiful young twin, Jody LaCornue, please dial the new detective at 410-887-3943. There is a light at the end of this dark tunnel. Nancy Grace signing off. Goodbye, friend. You're listening to an iHeart Podcast.