Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - WHAT DIDDY DO? Mystery Witness Ghosts Prosecution, Will They Find Her?

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

Celebrity stylist Deonte Nash testifies, as the defense continues their cross-examination in the sex trafficking trial against Sean "Diddy" Combs. Nash states Diddy physically abused Cassie Ventura, threatening her career and reputation with recordings of their "freakoffs."  Nash describes incidents of Diddy hitting Cassie, grabbing her by the hair and bashing her head into a bed frame, and that he intervened multiple times.  Combs’ ex Gina Huynh claimed the rapper stomped on her stomach and punched her in the head during their five-year relationship. Huynh, who goes by the nickname Virginia V, leveled the allegations in a 2019 interview. Theories continue to swarm Victim-3 is not testify, apparently changing her mind and doesn't want to take the stand. Many refer to mystery Victim-3 as “Gina" and Combs’ former assistant George Kaplan recently testified he witnessed Combs throwing apples at Gina at his home in Miami.  Meanwhile, the defense raises concerns about limited access to Diddy at the Metropolitan Detention Center.  And another key witness, "Mia," (pseudonym name) Diddy’s former assistant and an alleged victim, expected to testify through Friday.  Joining Nancy Grace today: Philip Dubé - Former Court-Appointed Counsel, Los Angeles County Public Defenders: Criminal & Constitutional Law, Forensics & Mental Health Advocacy   Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker: When to work on a relationship and when to walk away” Also featured in hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock, www.drbethanymarshall.com/ , Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, Twitter: @DrBethanyLive   Robert Crispin - Private Investigator “Crispin Special Investigations”, Former Federal Task Force Officer for the United States Department of Justice, DEA and Miami Field Division. Former Homicide and Crimes against children investigator. CrispinInvestigations.com, Facebook: Crispin Special Investigations Inc. Rachel Fischer - Anti-Trafficking Expert, she was featured in the 2022 documentary "Surviving Sex Trafficking", Forensic Nurse, Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner, Expert Witness, Private Investigator, LegalRNConsult.org, Instagram: @F4isCher Sydney Sumner - CRIME STORIES Investigative Reporter    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. What did he do? A mystery witness ghosts the prosecution. Will they find her before the end of the state's case? This, as Diddy blames the stylist. Look what y'all made me do after an incredibly vicious beating. I'm Nancy Grace.

This is Crime Stories. I wanna thank you for being with us. ["Climb to the Top"] Wait, are you telling me that Sean Combs was in London and threw a fit because he didn't have the right kind of ketchup? Did he would request jello and applesauce? Apparently he put applesauce on his cheeseburgers. He was particular about the temperature of the room.

So, I've got Sean Combs whining that the ketchup in London is different. And now you're telling me that he travels with a thermometer. You heard me right, Nancy. You heard me right. Joining me at the courthouse right now, investigative reporter Lauren Conlon from Pop Crime TV. Lauren, thank you for being with us. Who is Deontay Nash? Can you summarize his testimony so far? Sure. So Deontay Nash, the celebrity stylist and Cassie's very close friend finished his cross-examination this morning, which was done by Xavier

Donaldson. And Xavier Donaldson did point something out. He pointed out some inconsistencies in his testimony specifically about the eye gash that Cassie got at her apartment when Deontay jumped on his back and Mia jumped on his back, Diddy's back to stop him from doing this. Deontay testified that while Cassie was on the ground and she was bleeding from her eye, Diddy continued to kick her and beat her. However, Donaldson pointed out that in all his previous meetings with the government, this was never mentioned and it was a big deal. So why did he never mention it?

Donaldson also pointed out some text messages from Nash to Diddy saying, I love you. And this was well after 2018, when he stopped working for him as a stylist. He said, I love you, brother. Another text message said, you know, how do I get an invite to your party? So, you know, we're seeing a lot of this

during cross-examination of many witnesses. They continued a relationship with Diddy well after they stopped being employed and they seem to want this relationship as well. Again, Deontay Nash did seem to elicit some laughter even from the judge this morning. He was very sassy. You know, Donaldson would say, how are you today, sir? And he would say, blessed.

And again, he would kind of jump ahead in his testimony in which the judge was like, okay, you have to stop. You have to stop. You can't, you can't just, it's not a free for all here. So he definitely offered a little bit of lightness amid all of the darkness that we've been hearing. Lauren Cullen, who is Mia? According to her, she is the victim

of a violent sex assault by Sean Combs. Could you give me a summary of Mia's testimony? Mia was Diddy's former assistant and director of marketing at Revolt TV. She was one of Cassie's closest friends, described them as sisters, and actually said they're still friends to this day. And oh, we learned about why the jury was asked about Mike Myers. Mia was a former personal assistant to Mike Myers. And she described those hours being from 10 to six regularly. She said occasionally she would

get a call on the weekend from Mike Myers to watch his dog or something like that. So when she took the job as the personal assistant to Sean Combs, it was a real shell shock. And these are my words, not hers. but she described that her first day of work, she, she didn't go to sleep. She showed up in the morning. She was sent to his New Jersey house to do some kind of inventory. She got back to the bad boy office around 10 PM. And then she was told to go to the studio to meet Diddy.

And she describes not going home until the next day after 1 PM. And she's chalked it up as being her first day, kind of being on trial, but then she described another instance where she did not sleep for five days straight. She described taking time released Adderall to help her stay awake, but at one point she said she just lost her equilibrium,

her body kind of broke down, she cried uncontrollable tears and he finally sent her home to sleep. She also discussed that Cassie was, and she, Mia, they were terrified of Diddy and punishment that they would receive if they did not listen. She described it as being terrifying and unpredictable. We also heard the the story about Cassie

gashing her eye on the bed for the third time we previously heard it from Deontay Nash, Cassie's stylist and best friend, Cassie herself and now Mia and while each story does change a bit. The the main event is the same Diddy threw Cassie against the bed and there was a gash in her eye and she had to go to a plastic surgeon. We've seen Diddy be stoic at some points with the assistance. He would nod his head yes, he would laugh a little bit. I've seen him shake his head like this no twice when it came to Mia and her testimony. And one of those times was when Mia mentioned a sexual assault.

I specifically watched him shake his head no. What was Mia's demeanor on the stand? Mia's demeanor on the stand. She had her head down. She was, she was quiet. She spoke low. And she, she honestly gives me gives me this timid vibe. We're not supposed to go into too much detail about Mia.

We had a speech from the judge because she is using a pseudonym, and we were told that her testimony is no important than any other testimony. Lauren Conlon, I believe that Mia's testimony is critical in its own right, but possibly more important, it corroborates or bolsters everything Cassie Ventura described. The point is, Ventura was not in this willingly,

especially toward the end. I mean, she even threatened to jump off a balcony if she had to go back to a freak-off. And that's how I see Mia as corroborating everything Ventura said, which shows sex trafficking. Lauren Collin joining us at the courthouse, now joining us Sydney Sumner, Crime Stories Investigative Reporter.

The hiding at the hotel, Sydney Sumner, that came from Deontay Nash, the stylist, where he had observed a vicious, vicious beating of Cassie. And he actually, and I think he got his start with Sean Combs, I'll circle back to that Sydney, but he tried to protect Cassie Ventura. He's afraid that Combs is going to kill her. Tell us what happened, Sydney. Well, Nancy, what we learned from Deontay Nash is that Colleague burst into Cassie's LA apartment

and told her to get out of his house. We don't know exactly what spurred that argument, but Nash told us that Combs physically shoved both of them out of that LA apartment. But then a few minutes later, as they were driving away, homes called Kathy and told them to pull over. Combs approached Kathy's window. And at that point, he threatened to release her sex tapes. Nash responded Hey, that's not a big threat because he's in them too, right?

So he can't use that against you and that's when Kathy first told Nash that no Combs isn't in those sex tapes It's me and other men So from there Nash was going to take Kathy back to his home But he gets a call from his boss who tells him, hey, Sean Combs just asked for your address. I don't know why, but I wanted to let you know. So he looks at Cassie, tells her to get out of the car and take a cab to the nearest hotel. So she does that. Nash gets back to his house. Just a few minutes later, Combs, his chief of staff and a security

guard show up at his house demand to know where Cassie is. They search his home. And when Nash's phone rings, it has a caller ID from a nearby hotel. So Combs quickly puts those pieces together and demands that Nash go get Cassie from this hotel room. So Cassie has stayed here before, Nash has stayed there with her, they're familiar with the hotel staff. So Nash is able to convince staff to let him and Cone's chief of staff at the time, Tony Fletcher, go up to the room.

And when Cassie sees Tony Fletcher's face, she freaks out, she's immediately terrified because she knows Coneones has found her. So Tony's like, hey, Cones is downstairs. We need you to come out and come meet him. He wants you to come with him. And at that point is when Cassie allegedly threatened to go over the balcony instead of coming down

to go see Cones. You know, Dr. Bethany Marshall joining me, renowned psychoanalyst out of Beverly Hills. She is the author of Dealbreaker, and you can see her now on Peacock. She's at drbethanymarshall.com. Dr. Bethany, I just don't get all the people that are saying, oh, Cassie Ventura is in it for the money. Oh, and by the way, just a big FYI, Cassie Ventura gives birth while Capricorn Clark, who worked for Sean Combs, is on the stand basically trashing her, saying she's a no-talent user. Yeah, I don't know where that came from.

You know, jealous. He's a very ugly serpent. That's a whole nother can of worms. But Dr. Bethany, according to Deontay Nash, as reported by Lauren Conlin, Cassie gets this injury on her forehead from Diddy beating her so badly she fell on a bed frame and ripped her forehead open. He also described an incident where they had to hide at a hotel. That's what Sydney's telling us about right now. And Combs gets 95 MPH.

It reminds me when he jumped in the car, let's go get Shug or let's go kill Cuddy. Gets in the car, 95 MPH, driving around, trying to find Cassie. He sees a phone call come in on somebody else's phone, figures out it's a hotel. And they go to the hotel. Somehow, once again, he breaks the rules

and finds out which hotel room is hers and sends his hench people to go get her, and she would rather jump off the balcony than go back to Comes. Yet people like Philip DuBey joining us tonight, and since she was there willingly, I don't get it, she'd rather jump off a balcony? Dr. Bethany?

What's going to happen is that he is taking her to be raped by other men. He's dragging her into the scene of a crime. He's offering her things and he's taking them away. She is completely under his control. Nancy, I've been following the witness testimony very, very carefully. And every time he stalks her, beats her, intrudes into her life, it's because she is developing some autonomy, a very slight autonomy, or she's enjoying somebody. Maybe she's with Nash, you know, they're cooking dinner, or a girlfriend spending the night at her house.

I think in this particular incident, she was about to perform at a music festival. So every time she just had an ounce of independence, he would just beat her within an inch of her life. Who wants to stay alive in a situation like that? I think any of us would become suicidal. In a sense, Nancy, taking her own life was her only way out. And we saw this with Virginia Jeffries, who recently died that, you know, life just became unbearable at some point. It's a miracle that she's still alive, quite frankly.

Well, I'm glad you said that. Joining me now in addition to Dr. Bethany and Sydney Sumner, Rachel Fisher is with us, anti-trafficking expert. She starred in a 2022 documentary, Surviving Sex Trafficking. She is a forensic nurse. She's a sex assault nurse examiner and much more. Rachel Fisher, thank you for being with us. Isn't it true that many women that have been trafficked, you know, having one sex partner,

you know, 30, 40 sex partners in one day, they choose death over being forced back into sex trafficking. Isn't that true? Very often we see that. And the trauma and lethality factors that they face from their abusers and the Johns, the people they're forced to have sex with, that's also causing them pain. Sometimes their only way out is death. And so the balcony seems pretty appealing. And in this case, you've got a situation where every time she tries to leave, he finds her. So that chase, that

stalking, the pimp or her boyfriend finding her, she doesn't have a way out. And then what we have here, we have a pattern of activities. We see this over and over again, and then we see that enterprise, other people that are involved. She doesn't have, she can't just leave because she doesn't own the door. He does. And he has people that are there on each side of the door. So there is nowhere else for her to go. So I'm very curious to Robert Crispin joining me, private investigator Crispin special investigations formerly with the department of justice, with the DEA. It goes on and on now at CrispinInvestigations.com. Robert, I don't see him. When I look at Sean Combs, all rear back in that courtroom, which is a whole another study in nonverbal communication, he reminds me of those lions that you see, you know,

pictures of. They're all rear back dozing while the lioness has to go out and bring in all the food and take care of the children. He's just like kicked back, totally relaxed, large and in charge. That said, Crispin, in my mind, when I look at Combs, I see every pimp I ever prosecuted. Evil, dangerous, violent, brutal, and at one point after he gave Cassie an incredibly brutal beating, he goes, look what y'all made me do. That's such BS. He's no different than a thug, Crispin.

Yeah, I mean, you're starting to look into the life of who Diddy really, really was and is. It's just, it's beyond, and the world is starting to see who he is, and the world is starting to see all the people, all the henchmen that worked for him. Where were they to protect Cassie? And that's a whole other layer, Chris, but I'm glad you said that because everybody would just stand around and watch her getting beaten and do nothing. So it was kind of reinforced by the do nothings.

So Philip Dubay joining me, veteran trial lawyer out of the LA jurisdiction. Dubay, how can you keep saying that she was in it for the money and the fame, and that she wanted to be in freak-offs? I truly believe that she was setting up this fantasy risque lifestyle for him. For whatever reason, it could have been because she was a hopeful starlet herself, she was a monkey sort of R&B performer. And what better way to make a name for yourself and break into the business than to hook up with Sean Diddy Combs?

The problem is, I'll give you that. He is not a Vienna choir boy. I wouldn't set a plate for him at Seder time. But to be fair, being a brute, being a batterer does not mean you're a racketeer. And that ultimately is what the prosecution has to prove. And I'm telling you now, Nancy, you watch this, they're falling short. I know you don't want to hear it, but the truth be told, this is over filed. I don't want to hear it because it's not true. Well, of course. I would defend him on these charges. In fact, I would even do it pro bono. Okay, fine. Fine, you defend him. Okay, back to Lauren Collin joining us at the courthouse. I'm a little surprised that so many, because so many people

have turned their backs on Cassie Ventura, and now we've got the missing mystery witness we know to be Gina who reportedly was forced to have two abortions by Sean Combs. That Gina has ghosted the prosecution but this guy Deontay Nash didn't Sean Combs actually give him his start in the fashion business? He was an intern at Bad Boy and he got him to say that he wasn't exactly sober for some of his meetings with the government. He was high for some of them. You know, I find that very persuasive, Dr. Bethany Marshall, because Sean Combs gave

him his start, yet he was willing to put his life on the line and try to protect Cassie Ventura, while so many other people did nothing, stood by and let it happen. You know, in situations like this, we discover who truly has a moral fiber. He had a moral fiber. He cared about Cassie.

He became a friend of Cassie's. All these other people were aligned with P. Diddy. We could say maybe a few of them were frightened, but by and large, there was so many resources in that city. They could have called the police. They could have called 911. They could have called the National Domestic Abuse Hotline. So many resources.

Nobody used them to protect Cassie. You know, Lauren Collins said something else interesting. She said that yes, Sean Combs gave him his start, but she also reported that he confessed in some of his meetings with the government he was high. High as a kite for some of those meetings. Well, at least he admitted it and didn't lie, because Philip Dubé, I love nothing more than catching a liar on the stand. You can be a sinner, sure.

Go get high. I'm sure there are people on this jury that are not afraid of a big fat doobie, or at least they're middle-aged sons sitting at home watching TV in their basement, probably high right now. So that's not that shocking. But if Deontay Nash had lied about it, he would have been tarred and feathered and rode out of town, right? Absolutely. But I'm going to take him at his word. I believe that, you know, even though he's a stylist, he does more than just set hair with Diptydu and Aquanet. I believe that he saw everything that he testified to.

I genuinely mean it. The question is- What did you just say about Dippity Doo and Aquanet? Who's that stylist or hairdresser? I don't even remember him. Are you mocking him because you think he could be gay? Dippity Doo and Aquanet? No, my point is-

Who the hell are you to poke fun at him? He probably makes more money in a year than you and me put together, Dubay. Probably. But not anymore because the Diddy days are over. So he's just a West Side Stylist. I'm sure he makes a handsome... You think Diddy's his only client? I doubt that.

I doubt that. And I don't like your Dupity-Doo comment. You know where you can shove that. Another thing, you know, Crispin, you in your capacity with DOJ and more and I have put witnesses on the stand and you, you know, they know what their testimony is going to be and then they flub and you go, okay, let me refresh your recollection, Mr. Crispin, could you review state's exhibit number three?" And they go, oh, yeah, I don't know what that is.

Okay, so apparently that's what happened with Deontay Nash. So you know, that's not the end of the world. Yeah, well, that wouldn't be the first time that that's happened to a government witness. And the fact that they interviewed this guy while he was high, to me as a former agent, that's a problem. I would probably wait until he's not high. And that would be one of my questions in the beginning of the interview.

Are you under the influence of any drugs, narcotics or alcohol at this point? Because anything he tells me probably isn't gonna be a hundred percent the truth. And I need a hundred percent of the truth if I plan on moving forward to take something to a grand jury. truth if I plan on moving forward to take something to a grand jury. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

We are just learning that the president has granted two serious pardons is Sean Combs in line for a presidential pardon Listen many believe Sean Combs rushing the legal process on the belief There may be a presidential pardon waiting for him say his allies cozying up to presidential staffers since Trump's reelection Comes relatable to Trump as they've been friendly over the years and both insist if sexual assault allegations are false. But given the seriousness of the charges, a pardon or commutation for combs

would be a PR nightmare for the president. Okay, PR nightmare? Does Trump care about that? This on the heels of the Chrisley pardons of the Mr. and Mrs. Chrisley. Sydney Sumner, how much were the Chrisleys convicted of defrauding? How many millions of dollars did they rip off? 30 million, Nancy. That's a big number. Okay. Thirty million dollars.

And here's my concern as it relates to Sean Combs. We now know that in the last hours, a presidential pardon goes out to NBA Youngboy and Larry Hoover. Who are they? NBA Youngboy was in a federal pen for illegal firearm possession. And according to his lawyer, a renowned criminal defense attorney that I've sparred with in the past, Drew Finling states that his client, NBA Youngboy, was pardoned without even asking. He did not even submit a formal request. Oh, okay. But more concerning in addition to NBA Youngboy would be Larry Hoover. I hope that doesn't ring

a bell to many people, but he is the founder of the Chicago's Gangster Disciples, serving six life sentences to murder and conspiracy. His case got attention. Here's the connection after a 22 benefit concert by Kanye West and Drake. See where I'm going with this? So Hoover, the founder of the Chicago Gangster Disciples Gang, a notoriously violent gang, was a subject of a benefit that was performed by Drake and Kanye West, who's a complete idiot. West is anyway. So now we've got the rap and hip-hop world involved in Larry Hoover. So okay, Cindy Sumner, now two more controversial pardons. And the

word is that Sean Combs is basically, hey can we skip the trial part and get on to the pardons? Yeah, many people believe that that's what Sean Combs is basically, hey, can we skip the trial part and get on to the pardon? Yeah, many people believe that that's what Sean Combs is thinking throughout this entire trial. Why he pushed for a speedy trial. But I don't think Trump could do this with the seriousness of these charges and not be mowed down by angry mobs. Deservedly so. Now, here's the thing. When you say a crime of this series' nature, here's my concern. And you know, I hate politics. I don't get into politics because they make me nauseous. But Robert Crispin, the founder of the Chicago Gangster disciples gang linked to murder and conspiracy charges.

That's serious. How much more serious can a charge be other than murder? And I'm not asking you to wade into a political morass. I'm talking about the possibility based on a track record. You've got the Chrisleys who it's a done deal. They were convicted of 30 million dollars defrauding. Now you've got me a young boy and now you've got Larry Hoover. I'm very concerned after all this, could there be a presidential pardon of Combs if there's ever a conviction? Well, I will tell you, Nancy, that I think like everybody else, I'm shocked about Hoover's pardon.

The other two rappers, kind of the timing is a little suspect. The fact that Diddy Combs' entourage has been cozying up to that particular political party is a concern from a government guy because the government... Hey, wait, wait, wait. You just said something really important, Crispin, because Sidney Sumner, as it relates back to the Chrisley putting— Hey, wait, wait, wait. You just said something really important, Crispin, because Sydney Sumner, as it relates back to the Chrisley pardons, isn't it true the daughter, Savannah Chrisley, insinuated herself at Mar-a-Lago and other fundraising events, and that's how she got to the Trump people to get the pardon for her mom and dad?

Yes, that is correct. And we know that allies, so-called allies of Diddy, are apparently cozying up to Trump's staff. But reports are saying that it hasn't made it to Trump's ears, and they're not sure it ever will. Okay, guys, off politics and a potential pardon, and I want to get to a missing witness. A witness that has apparently ghosted the state. She's in the indictment. We know about her. It's Gina reportedly subjected to two forced abortions by Sean Combs. Now that takes a lot of backbone to stand up the feds and not show up pursuant to a

subpoena. If she did get a subpoena, who is Gina? Sydney Sumner, who is she? Gina is another girlfriend of Diddy and she was dating the mogul, the rapper, at the same time as Cassie from 2014 to roughly 2019. So this was a five year relationship. It was fairly serious, but the whole time she was completely aware that Holmes was also dating Kathy.

And he reminded Gina of that over and over. She says he constantly belittled her and used Kathy against her. But she really fell for him. And she described falling for him because he told her he loved her. It was kind of a love bombing. Like they had only known each other for a few months and combs came on really strong. So she felt they had a real connection. And like Kathy, she stayed despite

years of abuse. We are live at the courthouse, Sean Combs, aka Diddy, aka Puff, Puffy, Puff Daddy, Love, and many, many more monikers on trial in a multi-count federal indictment. At this hour, a missing Diddy witness mysteriously vanishes days before the trial, and her allegations are some of the most disturbing yet. Victim number three, as laid out in the indictment, is reportedly Gina Huynh. And why has she disappeared? I think I know. Listen, he like stomped on my stomach like really hard.

And I like took the wind out of my breath. I couldn't even, I couldn't breathe. And he kept, but he kept hitting me. That from Unwind with Tasha Kay. Joining me on All-Star panel, Sydney Sumner, you believe that victim number three, reportedly Gina Owen, will never testify. Why? She disappeared, Nancy. We haven't heard from her since before trial. And this seems very,

very odd because prosecutors did secure an alias for Gina to testify under a pseudonym. She was not supposed to give up her actual identity on the stand, but just a few days before trial, they came back and said, no, victim three wants to testify under her name. Of course, not revealing her name at that time, but they changed their minds and said, we don't need this alias anymore. And then as we went to trial, we suddenly couldn't find victim three anymore.

So it's a very odd progression of events from wanting to come out, wanting to tell her story, wanting to own her own identity on the stand and then vanishing. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. To Rachel Fisher joining me, anti-trafficking expert, I had the same thing happen in a child sex trafficking case. The victim went missing. The trial had already started, okay? The trial had already started.

The trial had already started. The next morning we had done opening statements, and the victim disappeared. I shuffled the witnesses and started with other witnesses. That night, my investigator and I were out until five o'clock in the morning, and we found the girl. She came in and the girl and she came in and testified and she was petrified but she testified and there was a conviction the perps got 22 life behind bars so this is not uncommon and

I find it really interesting I'll circle back to Bethany Marshall on this that she was very bold at the get-go saying I I don't need a pseudonym. I don't need a Jane Doe. I'm going to testify under my own name. And then she does a runner. It's very common for cases like this, especially with trafficking. We don't see a lot of these cases going up because they're afraid to testify in front of their abuser, in front of their trafficker. And in a case like this, it's even more so that fear of retaliation, the fear of not being believed, but in a situation where there's more than one person, even if the defendant that they're looking at while being on the stand goes away, they have a whole enterprise

behind them. They have security guards, they have their goons on the outside that will find them. And that is a real thing, especially when you experienced it and you hear others talking about it. And we've seen that Rachel Fisher unfold in this case. Dr. Bethany Marshall, over and over again, we hear about a bodyguard, a henchperson working for Sean Combs going and physically dragging Cassie Ventura back. And what the state's doing now, and they did it with Deontay Nash, they've done it with Capricorn Clark, who seemingly has some beef against Cassie Ventura, whatever, because when Cassie's in the hospital giving birth, Capricorn Clark's on the stand trashing her talent.

That said, it happens over and over and over. The alleged victim gets dragged back. That's just what Rachel Fisher was saying. But at the beginning, the ghosting witness, Gina Hoenn, was very brave. She was full of bravado that she didn't need a moniker, she didn't need to be a Jane Doe. And then suddenly now she's gone. Nancy, something happened. We don't know now what it is, but some threat has to have been made against her because she wanted to be on the stand. She wanted to be like a Cassie Ventura. She was willing to face down her abuser. But the question

is, if P. Diddy was willing to call Cassie Ventura's parents and threaten to release sex tapes if they did not mortgage their house or get a lien or a loan for $20,000, what are Sean or get a lien or a loan for $20,000. What are Sean Combs, I guess, the criminals who act in concert with him, what kind of threats are they making against witness number three? I'm sure it is terrifying and that she fears for her life and she goes on that stand. Well, obviously, she's gonna corroborate everything that Cassie Ventura has testified to and that's what the state needs to do now in case there's still people like Philip DuBey claiming, oh, she was in it for the money and the fame. Let's hear more of what Sean Combs' defense team is so afraid of. He like grabbed my hair from the back and like was um like punching the back of my head because he was just avoiding my face when he was

like hitting me. Again that from Unwind with Tasha Kay, same thing same exact scenario grabbing her by her hair pulling her around we heard the same thing from Cassie Ventura we heard the same thing from the sex worker who came in and when Cassie Ventura was complaining or wouldn't do what Sean Combs said during a free cough, he grabbed her by her hair, pulled her to another room. The sex worker could hear him beating her and the beating was so bad she ran back and jumped in the lap of the sex worker. So we see a

common theme. Same thing you're hearing Gina Hoenn say. Why won't she testify? And a forced abortion. We heard rumors of a forced surgical procedure early on. Is this that procedure? Sidney Sumner, not one, but two alleged abortions forced on Gina, we think, is mystery witness victim number three. What can you tell me about the forced abortions? Well, Nancy, Gina in this 2019 interview said she first got pregnant by Sean Combs about nine months after meeting him. So early into their relationship.

And that's what you just heard her describing is, well, I don't know that I want to get rid of this child. I love you. I know it's early, but maybe we should keep it. And Sean Combs was insistent that she have an abortion and offered her 50 grand to do so. So Gina explains that she turned down the money because she didn't want him to think that that's what she was after.

Combs went to Burning Man while she had this abortion. So she's doing something she doesn't wanna do in the first place. This is an extremely personal, hard choice for many women. She's upset, she's emotionally fragile, and she can't even reach Combs for two weeks while he's out in the Las Vegas desert with Cathy while she's sitting in bed recovering from this medical procedure, emotionally harmed. We are live at the federal courthouse bringing you the latest in the prosecution of Shawn Combs,

aka Diddy. We are learning about a missing witness, a mystery witness, victim number three, who has absolutely ghosted the state. Is there any chance of bringing her in from the cold and getting her up on that witness stand? In the last hours, pseudonym Mia was on the stand describing brutality, attacks. All of this goes to proving coercion, proving women were forced to take part in freak-offs and that Sean Combs' employees were used as minions to further criminal activity, which is Rico. I see why Sean Combs doesn't want Gina on the stand because like Mia pseudonym, it corroborates everything Cassie Ventura said. That's what the state's doing with all of these witnesses. Philip DuBey, veteran trial lawyer out of LA, is there a way with subpoena to actually

force the witness to take the stand? Of course there is. I tell people all the time that a subpoena is not a PSA, it's not a save the date, it's not an invitation, it's not a flyer to a block party. It is compulsory process through which you must appear in court. Now whether or not you refuse to testify is another question and to be quite candid I'm not sure if she's afraid to come to court because she's afraid that she might incriminate

herself and absent a full grant of use and transactional immunity. She does not want to be added as a co-conspirator or may be added as an unindicted co-conspirator. That's the last thing that she needs. Well, hold on. Dubay, we've already seen two witnesses so far be given immunity by the judge in order to testify. One went and obtained illegal drugs for Sean Combs. Another did similar activity for Sean Combs. Both of them got immunity, so this woman could have immunity.

And yes, I'm not happy I had to do it, but I've had to have a witness arrested and brought to the courtroom. Did I like it? No, I didn't like it. Did I have to do it to prove my case? Yes, I did. And once you get on the stand, unless you are going to claim Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, you've got to testify. If you don't testify when

you're on the stand, you can be held in contempt and put in jail for up to 30 days in the state system. So if the witness, as you accurately stated the law dube, if the witness is afraid they're going to incriminate themselves, the judge can immediately give them immunity, right? Then they have no reason legally not to testify, and they can be forced to testify. Isn't that true? Yes, absolutely. I mean, once you are given a full grant of immunity, either through prosecutors or through the court judicially, then you've got to take the stand. Otherwise, you can be jailed for contempt. Now there is a split of authority

in state and federal court that even if you show up, but you refuse to testify in a domestic violence case, the court cannot jail you for refusing to testify on the theory that they don't want the witness or the victim to have to relive the trauma. So the fact that they have appeared and not faulted on the subpoena will save them. But whether or not they can be forced to testify. Well, I hear you, I hear you about domestic violence,

but I want to get to can Mia be forced in if she's given immunity? Can she be forced to testify? But what I'm seeing is a pattern. To Robert Crispin, we see fingerprint cards critical to showing who conducted the fire bomb on Kid Cudi's car. We see the fingerprint cards disappear from within the LAPD. We see a bribery attempt at the Intercontinental about the Cassie beat down, comes trying to pay off a security guard, right? And now, mysteriously, a witness disappears. Are you seeing a pattern? I'm seeing a huge pattern. And this is one witness that the defense and Diddy do not want on the stand. And why is that? Because through all these other victims that have come forward, they weren't pregnant.

They didn't get kicked in the stomach. We're adding the element now of a child, of a baby in a womb. None of that happened with anybody else that's been here. This is now the element that they don't want to get to the jury. And let's step back a little farther. We're not talking about calling the cops and getting this stuff done. How about when he kicked her in the stomach? What happened? Did he kill that child? When he did that, how hard was that? Did she go to the hospital?

Did she have to have the abortion? Because we had a heartbeat at the doctor's office 10 days before that. He kicks her in the stomach and now we go a day later, two days later and the kid's dead. Is that really why she had the abortion? Because even in her own...I interviewed when she was on that show, she says, you know, I don't know what I want to do yet. She didn't make that decision to get rid of that kid yet. That

element, they don't want that to the jury. In the last hours, Mia, pseudonym, on the stand, her passport has been shown to the jury, so they know her identity. The rest of the world does not. That's how serious this is. It makes you understand why Gina Hoenn may not want to appear describing a sex assault by Sean Combs. assault by Sean Combs. We stop to remember an American hero, Deputy Constable Caleb Rule, Fort Bend Constable's office passed away in the line of duty. Leaves behind wife, Aidan, and their four children. American hero, Deputy Constable Caleb Rule.

Nancy Grace signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart podcast.