Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - WHERE IS RILEY STRAIN: BREAKING

Episode Date: March 19, 2024

Riley Strain and his fraternity brothers at Delta Chi take a break from studies at the  University of Missouri to attend the fraternity's annual spring formal in Nashville. Strain and the group arrive in Nashville on Friday, March 8, check into the Tempo Hotel, then head out for a night on the town. Riley Strain does a Facetime call with his mom at 7:30 p.m., then heads out. Just over two hours later at 9:35 p.m., Riley Strain is escorted out of Luke Bryan's bar on Broadway. Telling his fraternity brothers he will meet them at the hotel, he heads out into the night, alone. Riley Strain never makes it to the hotel. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Chris Dingman - Close family friend and spokesperson for the family; GoFundme: @RileyStrain; Venmo: @Prayers-for-Riley-Strain Ben Powers - Attorney with Legal Powers PLLC, IG: legal powers, Facebook: Legal Powers PLLC Steve Fischer - Missing Persons Private Investigator, Search & Rescue Specialist, & Owner of Search Investigations; X: @SF_Investigates (helping in the search for Riley)  Dr. Bethany Marshall – Psychoanalyst (Beverly Hills); X: @DrBethanyLive/ Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall; Appearing in “Paris in Love” on Peacock Dryden Quigley - Reporter for WSMV 4 in Nashville; IG: @drydenreports/FB: @Dryden Quigley WSMV4/ X: @drydenquigley See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. At this hour, the mystery deepens in the search for missing Riley Strain. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories and on Sirius XM 111. How can you turn a deaf ear to this? Listen. I haven't talked to my boy for over a week. And it's hard.

Are you sad if somebody gives up a part of their life to help you find your life? It's the way that he gives up a part of their life to help you find your life. It's amazing. Thank you for getting the word out and keeping the word out. And please don't stop sharing. Don't stop sharing until we bring Riley home. Please just continue. I've got such a bad feeling.

Where is Riley? This kid scrubbed in sunshine. This is the boy every mom wants their boy to be like. Okay. The apple of his family's eye. You were hearing his mother begging and pleading, crying, trying to speak through tears, asking us to help. Tip line 615-862-8600. Repeat 615-862-8600. Now is the time for us to act in the search for Riley Strain, and I've got to tell you, a hundred, a thousand times, mothers would come to me at trial and even now begging for help. But at trial, you have to keep a clear head, unclouded with emotion, and look at the facts

in order to help the family. I want you to hear the original 911 call. Listen. Who is it that you're wanting to report is missing? We're here on a fraternity formal trip. It's one of my good buddies. Okay. What is his name?

His name is Riley Strain. Riley, R-I-L-E-Y, Strain strain S-T-R-A-I-N. Okay. Is he white, black, Hispanic, Asian? He's white. He's white, 22-year-old, 6'5", blonde. Okay. And what was he last seen wearing? Outside of Luke Bryan's bar last night at like 10 and then the last time his location on his phone was by the sheriff's office at like 11 p.m okay and what color clothing was he last seen wearing he's wearing jeans boots and a half black shirt half light brown. You're hearing a good friend of Riley's train is calling 911.

And how ironic is that one of his last pings, the location on the phone, was at the sheriff's office in front of, near, around the sheriff's office. No network or phone service since 9.53 p.m. Where is Riley? Joining me in all-star panel to make sense of what we know right now. I'm going to play you more of the 911 call because I have learned with working with so many, many juries as a felony prosecutor. That takes you to the moment and you can learn so much about probative facts. Facts that prove something, that help you find the person. But first, I want to go to a special guest joining us, Chris Dingman, a very dear family friend of the Strains.

And you can find them on a GoFundMe at Riley Strain. Chris, thank you for being with us. What is the frame of mind of the family right now in the search for their son? The family is completely devastated. You know, we're 10, 11 days into this. Really, Riley just disappeared in thin air. And we try to keep faith. We keep hope.

The ironic part of not having clues means we have hope he's still there, lost. Somebody may know where he is, but it is truly devastating on the family. And shortly, speaking of clues, we are going to be joined by the woman who may have found the single most important clue as of right now. Back to you, Chris Dingman, a very dear friend and spokesman for Riley's family. How did this whole thing unfold? When did Riley's parents discover he's missing? I mean, it's every parent's worst nightmare. You know, Chris, I work every day, sometimes holding down two, sometimes three jobs because

I want to make a college fund for my children to get through high school, you know, give them tutors if they need it, get them to college, give them every opportunity that a lot of people, including myself, never had to make it easier for them. So Riley gets to college. He's doing great. He makes friends in his fraternity. I think it was Delta Chi. Everything's going fine. He goes on their formal, which all the college kids do. And all of a sudden, mom gets a call. He's gone. How does that happen? You put all your love, all your energy, all your money, everything into helping your children. You think going to college is the thing to do. And bam, he's gone.

What happened? Yeah, the family was actually notified at about 1030 Saturday morning by his fraternity brothers, wanting to know if they had heard from Riley because, as we all know now, he did not come back to his hotel room. The family instantly told the boys please contact the police. Go down to the police station. They started packing a few clothes together, constantly reaching out for Riley, hopped in a car and started heading that way. This process of reporting Riley missing started actually at 10 30 Saturday morning and an official report that we have been shown didn't take

place till one, one 40 sometime in that area. That's how long it took for the boys to actually get somebody to follow an official report with a lot of confusion on why that took that. But yeah, the family was actually notified about 10 30 Saturday morning. Okay, guys,

you're hearing Chris Dingman joining us. A very dear friend of the Riley Strain family. Guys, I want to hear more of that 911 call. They were heading straight out to Dryden Quigley, WSMV 4 investigative reporter for the very latest. But let's hear the 911 call. Listen. And you said it last showed outside the sheriff's department like around that area by the river by the sheriff's department over there okay does he have any life-sustaining

medications or disabilities no you said he has a phone so it's a cell phone right yeah it's an iphone 15 pro max what is the? But it's okay. Hold on. All right, are you ready? Yes, go ahead. Okay. You said the last four were 4198? Yes. Okay.

Are you going to be waiting at the door of the precinct? Are you going to be waiting in your car? I mean, yeah, we're at the front door of the precinct are you going to be waiting in your car i mean yeah we're at the front door of the precinct okay i've got the call sent there at the central precinct 601 korean veterans boulevard in downtown right across the music city center we'll get an officer out to you as soon as we can please call us back if something changes before they arrive so when you look back when you look back on everything that happens in every case, you think woulda, coulda, shoulda. They should have done the report earlier. We should have this.

We should have that. Bottom line, Riley Strain is missing. His parents asking us for their help. Again, tip line 615-862-8600. So, Chris Dingman, you're telling me that the mom and or dad get a message the following morning at 10-ish a.m. They ask the fraternity brother, quick, quick, go, report him missing right now. And they head to the area. Is that correct? Yes, yes.

They were in springfield missouri where you know riley was born and raised and that's where we are and uh instantly when a parent gets that message you know you're mortified uh what's going on you know especially when you're six or seven hours away from your kid you know and they uh they hopped in a vehicle threw some clothes together uh was constantly trying to reach out to Riley on their journey there with, unfortunately, no response. Oh, cool. You know what that's reminding me of, Chris Dingman? I'm in New York where we live with the children.

At that time, they were about, oh, gosh, eight, nine years old. Had just gotten them to bed and get a call. My dad is on life support. I get one sentence off to him. Daddy, I'm on the way. Within 15 minutes, we were out on the street whole way trying to get back home to Macon, Georgia, just in fits, tied up in knots. I can only imagine what Riley's parents were going through as they drove all the way to

where he goes missing and speaking off straight out to Dryden Quigley, investigative reporter WSMV4. Dryden, thank you for being with us. First of all, describe the area where we believe Riley went missing. Guys, I'm about to go to the woman who has found what could be the single most important physical clue yet. Go ahead, Dryden. So the last place that he was spotted on the video camera is kind of up a street and it's going along the Cumberland River where there's a pretty steep drop off down there. Different areas have steeper than other parts, but you can last see him crossing this street and kind of heading up towards under these two bridges

where he's last seen. You know, I'm very curious. Is it true Dryden Quigley, WSMV4, that Riley was headed toward a homeless encampment? So along that drop off between the Gay Street and Cumberland River, there's this bank and it is where a lot of people spend the night and sleep along there and then under the two bridges as well. Yes. What people? What people? What, Boy Scout campers? Who is staying out there under bridges? People, yeah, who don't have anywhere else to go. You know, there's a lot of trash down there

too. And so that comes into play later when looking for Riley's possessions too. Is it true that drugs are used in that area by the homeless people? I can't say that for sure. I haven't seen it myself, but I would believe it's possible. Yeah. So did he realize he's headed for an encampment of homeless people where drugs apparently are used openly as we have seen now developing across the country. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we have been playing the 911 calls. We're telling you the very latest of what you know. But now I want you to hear from a volunteer searcher, Brandy Bainan, who lives in Nashville and possibly has found the single most important physical clue yet.

I'm so grateful Brandy could speak to us. First of all, listen to what she tells us regarding what she was looking for when she found the clue. We were looking for either his boots, shirt, he has a bright blue wallet, any of those indications. But we went down to the embankment and walked along the river until we got to underneath the bridge, which is one of the last known facilities that he was in, and we started just digging around, rummaging as much as we can, and about, I want to say we were there, into that part for maybe 20 or 30 minutes. And there's about three ledges and I'm the third bottom ledge, which it's very hard to explain.

So I'm sorry if that is hard to imagine. Anna saw a card right there and flipped it over to look at the backside because it was just like the bank on the front and saw his name and she goes, oh my God, we found his card. And I was like, no, we didn't. And right there, we were both instantly shocked. Our stomachs dropped. And then we were both like, we have to keep going.

Like, this means we have to keep going. I can't imagine what went through everyone's minds when they realized they have found evidence. Liz, we actually have sound of that discovery. Everybody listen. I don't think they do right here, or at least where that guy's tent is, because he's talking about how cold. What? You found his credit card? We found his credit card. We got to hang up. We got to hang up the phone. Oh my God. Guys, I'm just trying to take in that moment where they find the piece of evidence. And I want to make something very, very clear.

Chris Dingman, this young boy, Riley Strain, has no history at all ever of drug use. Never has been thrown out of school. Never has been thrown out of school never has been in treatment never not not even a disorderly conduct crossing the street jaywalking nothing isn't that true chris dingman 100 yeah riley was a straightforward kid you know we've had a lot of people be you know question us and go i can't believe he's that good of a kid and and all you have to do is ever be just a little bit of his life, just a blimp, meet him anywhere. And you instantly knew that the pictures that everybody's been sharing with him smiling, that truly was that kid.

He was an awesome boy. And we want him back. And he is an awesome boy. You know, you just brought me to tears because it reminds me so much of my son, John David. People are always saying, how can one kid be so good natured and so joyful? I mean, you know what his nickname is here at the house? Awesome. His nickname is awesome. And I'm just thinking about him completely innocent. I mean, Dr. Bethany Marshall joining me me, high-profile psychoanalyst, joining us out of LA,

and you can find her at drbethanymarshall.com. Dr. Bethany, when I talk about this homeless encampment and how drugs allegedly are being openly sold and used, this is not about Riley going down to get drugs. He has no history of that at all. Zero. He was out with his friends on the fraternity formal weekend. He wanders off alone and this is where his bank card is found. It's like a lamb being led to the slaughter, Dr. Bethany. Exactly. Nancy, it sounds to me like Riley was extremely disoriented.

He thought he was going back to his hotel room. He no longer had his friends with him. And he was simply walking the wrong direction. And he walked right into the jaws of danger. I mean, what happens in these homeless encampments is that they are communities, Nancy, and everybody in the homeless encampment tends to know each other. They watch out after each other. They sometimes exchange food. They look after each other's kids. They're like little tiny cities. What in the hay are you

talking about, woman? I mean, Dr. Bethany, this is not a commune where they're raising organic food and singing kumbaya every night. God bless them for their misfortune, but there are drugs being openly sold. Hard drugs, needle drugs. Bethany, I don't know what world you're coming from, but you send a kid straight out of high school down there. But it's the last thing I'm going to do is send John David and Lucy under a bridge. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, what I was going to say was that the fact that he was not a part of this group and he walked in made him extremely vulnerable. It was a very

precarious situation walking into a group of desperate people and this is like a child like a little lamb being led to the slaughter. He did not know what he was getting into. Guys I want to circle back to what we know again. A volunteer searcher who spends her own valuable private time helping in the search for Riley has found a very significant piece of physical evidence. It's Brandi Bain, a volunteer searcher, and I want you to hear what she has to say about why Brandi is searching for Riley. I personally started going out Tuesday night. I went out Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I would do some TikTok lives with a friend

while I was searching because I was kind of going on my own. And Anna happened to see one of those TikTok lives and she messaged me and asked if she could come join the next day. And she did. And that gave me the ability to be able to go all the way down to the embankment

because I couldn't just do it with myself in case something were to happen. No one would know. Or my friend on TikTok wouldn't really be able to help me. So Anna was brave enough to go down with that with me. And so we went searching and we happened to find something.

There is no way in H-E-double-L, no way in H-E-double-L that Riley's trying to hear what she just said. That she didn't know if she was brave enough to go down, down the slope into that area. She was afraid and that is in broad daylight. And here walks in Riley into this area late, late at night. What happened to him? Where is he? I need to get a clearer picture about exactly where the bank card was found. Let's listen to Brandy Bainan. It was an embankment.

So there was like a, there's a brick wall because there is a um so we're underneath the bridge so then there if you're up on the sidewalk there's a fence and there's a brick wall that comes down if you're under the embankment then and then that brick wall kind of turns into some mud and rocks trees and then that goes into another ledge similar ledge which goes into another one which then into rocks, which then turns into the river. So it was in that third little ledge of mud, dirt. And then you have to, right now in Nashville, it is full of garbage there. So we were actually rummaging through trash, absolute trash, everything that you can imagine, including things that were

dangerous to us, like we saw some needles and things like that. Yeah, Bethany, the peace-loving people down under that bridge and their hypodermic needles, it'd be a cold day in hell before I would let my children go down there. And here's Riley's strain. I mean, he's basically straight out of high school. I'm just trying to get an understanding about what Brandi Bainan is saying, because from what she's describing, there is no way that that bank card of Riley Strain's could have fallen in that location. Let me understand. Listen, what Brandi Bainan says about the card's location. I personally do not

think that that card could have landed there from just like stumbling and losing a card out of your hand because it would have had to go down a few ledges. Now, it has been some time that's passed since the 8th

and then we did have rain on the exact week after that's it that friday so i don't know what that would do at all if that would affect it at all but when we found the card it wasn't actually covered up that much there was some leaves um and she saw the blue in it. Guys, we're trying to determine the significance of the location of Riley Strain's

bank card. And I have a reason for doing this. I remember in one murder case, and the guy was a serial killer, but I could get him on one case. It was Jane serial killer. But I could get him on one case. It was Jane Doe. And I found one of her earrings in a particular location. And the fact that it was there proved volumes to me. I learned that that was a tertiary crime scene, which led me then to the

secondary and the primary crime scene because of that one earring. Now let's think what this bank card means. I don't think they do right here, or at least where that guy's tent is, because he's talking about how cold. What? You found his credit card? We found his credit card. We got to hang up. We got to hang up the phone. Oh my God. Riley's train was not going on a

leisurely stroll amongst these rocks down by the river. That did not happen. And back to Dryden Quigley joining us. Investigative reporter WSMV Fort Nashville. I understand that one of the

homeless gentlemen that was there claims that he heard a quote commotion around the time we believe Riley Strain may have been there what can you tell me about that Dryden so I didn't speak with that homeless person myself but it has been reported that yes he was he during around that time he heard a commotion after he saw Riley walk through there. That's all he said about it or was reported about it, but I didn't speak with him myself. Also emerging in the search for Riley Strain is surveillance video. But first I want to ask Chris Dingman.

Chris, a very dear family friend of the St strain and speaking for them. Chris, what is the reaction from the parents regarding the discovery that Braden made of the bank card? I'm extremely happy you're asking me that. I actually had friends of the family that was very close to the young ladies when they found it. I got a phone call Sunday afternoon. They were super excited. They go, we found this card. And I said, can you go to them? They were within about 100 yards of each other. And she said, yeah. And I said, do me a favor. I said, I know the bank that Riley uses. Unfortunately, and you've dealt with this a lot. There are a lot of people that will do fake cards fake ids and throw them in crime scenes just to be cruel and uh i wanted to make sure before this went or at least you know went wild

that uh i notified the family uh the young ladies instantly took a picture of the card sent to me i knew at that moment that's riley's card. I contacted the family, said, hey, this is the pinpoint. They've dropped me a pin. One of the young ladies, I asked her, I said, please dial 911. I'm going to get ahold of the family. The other person that contacted me, she was actually in a close proximity of some police that were actually there with canines and had been searching the area a little bit farther away I told her I said please go get the police take

them directly to those young ladies we need to secure that area and the young girls as you've kind of heard in their voices they were just a static they were nervous they were scared and I told her I, I need you to do something for me, please. I said, you're about to be bombarded with 100 plus people. You guys were live on TikTok. Everybody has a ballpark idea where you are. I need that crime scene secured. Please, if people come up there, tell them to stand back till the police get here so we can do a formal investigation in that exact area one thing that struck out to me i don't know if you have physically seen the

picture of the card and i'm glad the young lady brought that up and we discussed this that card is not dirty it's not filthy for a card that had been laying on the ground for nine days not in the water or even remotely close to the water, in essence, to the storms that they had, there's constant moisture down there. There's constant wind flow down there. And there was no visible signs of, you know, the frisbee. The kids leave the frisbee out in the yard. Two days later, you go out, it's covered in dew and little dirt particles. That seemed to me to be very, very strange. So I would love to see your take on that.

You know, I find that very interesting, the point that you're bringing out that the card was not weathered at all. Joining me is Steve Fisher, missing persons private investigator, search and rescue specialist, owner of Search Investigations. Find it at searchinvestigations.org. Steve Fisher, thank you for being with us. What does that tell you?

I find it very probative. I think one thing that's important to realize is that the river levels at 10 p.m. the night he went missing were seven feet higher than when the women found the card. So the water level was significantly higher, which is why you see the different color, the darker rocks. So it's a controlled river. They had let a lot of, you know, outflow out of it.

So that could have been submerged and simply the water level coming down and that would account for why the card is so clean. Hold on. Steve Fisher, what about the fact, as we just heard from brayden that it was wedged in it didn't get there innocently from what i understood i did watch the video when they uncovered it i think it was under some uh a little bit of debris and you know we'll never know for

certain but in search and rescue you know we're looking for the last known position. And it's the same spot that the cell phone last pinged at on Life 360. We were originally told it was 50 to 100 feet on the south side of that bridge, which is right where this card ended up also. So I think there's a likelihood that it just could be the water flow is the reason that it was found on the embankment. Ben Powers is joining us, high-profile lawyer out of Nashville, and you can find him at LegalPowers.com. Ben Powers, thank you so much for being with us. What can you tell us about your knowledge of the case and your insight into what's happening right now? Well, so right now it sounds like the investigation has locked in a really narrow timeline of how that evening went, you know, from being removed from the bar to the various surveillance footage, to the ping from the cell phone, all the way to the debit card

down at the riverbank. The debit card at the riverbank is curious because it's not with his wallet. There's no other possessions with him, and it was found amongst what we might call trash. But since it is a homeless encampment, that could be personal possessions of someone that lives down there. Maybe they were trying to discard the debit card, or maybe there's no file play at all. It's a little too early to try to make a determination one way or the other as to that type of conclusion. But the investigation has been very thorough.

They've used canines. They've used sonar. They've used helicopters. They've used drones, volunteers, as the volunteers that found the debit card. So it is a very thorough, extensive investigation. It's just that this narrow time frame is so curious because they have him on video going down Gay Street, but they don't have him on video at the courthouse, which is just at the other end of Gay Street where the video last saw him. And they have an

officer that was on scene investigating a claim of vehicle burglary. He didn't hear or see anything out of the ordinary. And they do have one of the benefits of that homeless encampment is, as has already been stated, there's at least one witness that heard some commotion, but that's a relatively large community down there. So I suspect there's other witnesses that just haven't come forward yet with what may have happened that evening. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

Luckily, in this case, we also have grainy surveillance video that is emerging. How you doing, sir? I'm good. How are you? Good. Guys, this is the most recent video surveillance that we have obtained to Dryden Quigley, WSMV4. So we're looking right now at Metro Police's bodyguard camera, body worn camera. He's out there responding to what I believe was a burglary call. And he runs into Riley. He greets him.

He says hi. Now Riley keeps walking down that street. And just a few feet away, you can actually see the bridge in the video. That's where Riley's phone last pinged. Now the officer was there for another 45 minutes. And he says he didn't hear anything out of the video. That's where Riley's phone last pinged. Now, the officer was there for another 45 minutes, and he says he didn't hear anything out of the ordinary. That bridge over there is the last spot that Riley's phone went off, but it took until today or yesterday to have this video come out. Riley, he's coherent. Everything's fine. He's speaking to the officer.

The officer looks like he's doing a safety check in a parking lot, just poking around late at night. He's walking normally. He's not drunk. He's not on drugs. He's wearing the clothes that were described by his friends. Is he walking toward or away from the bridge, Dryden Quigley? He is walking towards it. He kind of turns around, so it's hard to see.

But yes, Riley's on his way towards that first bridge. Okay, what would be on the other side of the bridge, Dryden? So, there are two bridges, actually, but between them and down the side, there are usually people either sleeping under the bridge or down the side, again, of the embankment, very close to where his credit card was found. So you're telling me that the homeless encampment was down the side of that bridge toward which he is headed? Yes. Have there ever been ambushes there of people crossing the bridge or approaching the bridge at night that we know of? No, not that I know of. To Chris Dingman, what, if anything, do we know? Where was he headed? And I can help you out with a lot of your questions.

Unfortunately, the way the videos were released to us that day is kind of the way that you have laid them out just then. What we do know is the one video where Riley is running through the parking lot and falls down. That is the first video of those three. Right. There was an altercation in that intersection. There was an altercation with two gentlemen in that intersection. We think Riley was walking up to it, saw the altercation, and decided to go around the back of the food truck. And that's why he was at a little bit of a you

know a faster gallop per se uh the family we have personally been to that food truck and look at their footage that's how we know you know initially people were thinking riley was attacked in that intersection uh he was not we think the reason riley started to run a little bit uh we think the reason riley started to run a little bit is one of the people in the altercation started running. We think one of the people that was in altercation took off running behind the food truck towards the fire truck. And that's why Riley just microseconds, wow, I need to move.

That's why he started running behind the truck. The second video is where he's walking along the wall. It's kind of a dark area. You'll notice he keeps reaching up towards the back of his body. The first video, unfortunately, when Riley goes down there's a concrete pole for that parking lot and Riley went into it aggressively. He went shoulders and then hit his head into that as he was going down. You'll, in he's there for, you know, one, two, three, four seconds before he gets himself and his bearings back up. The video, too, that, you know, that's why we thank you. At first, we thought maybe he was trying to take his phone to his ear. But after putting the pieces together in order, Riley, you know, was probably rubbing his neck and shoulders from hitting the concrete barricade.

The next video where he is crossing the street where the construction barricade is he walks right along the construction barricade whatever happened with you know him hitting his shoulders and neck as he's coming through here I think he kind of comes out of the ether as we say you know when you when you have an abrupt movement against your body because his body motions go back towards more normal the fourth video and the last video that we have of anything seeing riley will be the police video so i just wanted to help you guys with that and put it in progression so people would understand the timeline the the wild part and and the young lady from nashville with media. I think this is all within about a five minute window and very close proximity of each other of these videos as they go by.

From what I know right now, Steve Fisher joining us from searchinvestigations.org, there has been no additional cell phone activity or bank card, credit card activity since Riley went missing. What does that tell you? Well, I mean, it tells me that everything stopped right there. And, you know, as we're looking at surveillance, what literally every case comes down to. And one thing I think is important in this and, you know, likeris to know is uh you know right across the river is pretty thoroughly covered you got the tennessee titans uh stadium and then you got a marathon oil uh facility uh and i've been dealing with the titans uh they did not capture anything however

the marathon facility you know has i talked to the head of security there on sunday they have not been contacted by law enforcement their barges are literally right across from where that debit card was found. And they have a lot of surveillance because they got to protect that facility against people coming in from the water. So I was in touch with her. They were going to pull all the footage on Monday morning. I let the detective know he didn't get back to me, but then communications stopped. So I think there was a halt put to that. But I would just want Chris to know that I think there is significant surveillance available right across the river. So we need that barge video pronto.

Yes, yes. It was supposed to have it. I was supposed to get that Monday. Dr. Bethany Marshall joining us. Psychoanalyst out of L.A. Dr. Bethany Marshall joining us, psychoanalyst out of L.A. at drbethanymarshall.com. Dr. Bethany, so often citizen investigations tips are discounted. But if it weren't for citizen sleuths, we would never have found Gabby Petito. That would never have happened.

She was out in the middle of nowhere, literally dispersed camping. In this case, a private citizen finds the bank card. And I believe there are more people that can tell us where is Riley. I believe that. So why is that not happening? You know, Nancy, I was just thinking about Gabby Petito. It was people who were influencers, who were crowdsourcing information. In some ways, Nancy, they were more motivated to solve the crime than the police were. The police see so much. They can become jaded, overwhelmed. Maybe they're understaffed. I don't know.

I can't speak to that. But in terms of crowdsourcing information, people care about Riley Strain. They see this blonde, good looking young man educated from a family who loves him, and they want to know what happened. So I'm wondering, are the police plumbing this very rich source? Are they're asking other people what happened? Because this is where a lot of clues could be found. Again, the tip line is 615-862-8600. If you know or think you know anything about the disappearance of this young man, literally scrubbed in sunshine, please call 615-862-8600. All of our efforts, thoughts, and prayers

with Raleigh Strain and his family now. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart Podcast.