Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - WHY MISSING EMMANUEL WILL "NEVER BE FOUND"

Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an I-Heart podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. As we go to air, sources are saying why missing baby Emmanuel will never be found. This as the killer dad suspect, Jay Harrow, begs for help staging baby Emmanuel's kidnapped. I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime stories. I want to thank you for being with us. Where is seven-month-old baby Emmanuel? Questions swirling. Did the baby disappear nine days before the alleged kidnapped when mommy was attacked in the parking lot and a sporting good store? Was the baby really missing nine days before that? Could he be? alive? We haven't found a body yet. Where is baby Emmanuel and why are sources

Starting point is 00:01:07 stating this seven-month-old infant child will quote never be found? It all starts here. Just before 8.m. Thursday night, San Bernardino Sheriff's arrive and begin searching the strip mall and parking lot. K-9 units are dispatched to the scene as well. Helicopters overhead. San Bernardino Sheriff's Department joined by neighboring Riverside County deputies to aid in a comprehensive search that stretches through the night. This was preventable in numerous ways. To Dave, Matt, Crime Stories investigative reporter, Dave, thank you for being with us.

Starting point is 00:01:40 The mom says that she goes to Big Five as a sporting goods store to get her other son a mouth guard so he can play sports, that she gets out of the vehicle to change baby Emmanuel's dippy. She hears one word from a male, Ola, and then she's attacked from behind. She's attacked from behind. Let's see her black eye that she got from that attack from behind. That when she wakes up, the baby is gone. Is that correct?

Starting point is 00:02:10 Yes, no. Yes, that is correct. Okay. So then she goes into the store when she comes to and asks, has anybody seen the baby? Do I have that right so far? You are correct. Okay. Dave Mack, then the dad shows up on the scene.

Starting point is 00:02:30 Jake Harrow shows up at Bada clothing next to the Big Five and talks to assistant manager, Liz Mesa, the morning after his son is kidnapped. She says he was trying to appear upset, trying to cry, rubbing his eyes, breathing heavy, but no tears as he asked for help finding his infant son. Haro is wearing a hoodie and is 90 degrees, and the manager is shocked to see that Haro is just walking around the parking lot, not out searching for his son. Mesa says, it just felt off. He just came in and asked if we had any information and please just let him know, but there was no tears, just exaggerated kind of facial expressions now. That from our friends at U.S. Sun. Okay, I want to analyze what we've just heard, Dave Mack. Now, this is a woman that works at the clothing store next to Big Five.

Starting point is 00:03:18 Let's see Big Five sporting goods again. It's a little strip mall. And according to this witness. Liz Meza, the assistant manager. Harrow comes in asking for help. Tell me exactly what we learned from her, Dave Mack. Well, she says that when he came by, that he was trying to look upset. He was, you know, trying to breathe heavy.

Starting point is 00:03:45 He was rubbing his eyes. He was trying to act like he was very concerned. And she could tell it was an act because it just wasn't real. There was no, there were no tears, first of all. But second of all, he wasn't dressed appropriately. somebody who's going to be out looking for their son on this particular day. He's wearing a hoodie. She points that out because, you know, this is August in California and it's high.

Starting point is 00:04:08 So he had no business to be out looking for his son. And why is he looking in that parking lot? That was your other question. She pointed out, they close the 7 o'clock, okay? Their parking lot is absolutely empty. Right next door, it's a big K. It's got a parking lot and they're open a little later, but there's not a lot of activity, Nancy. and that's what she was trying to point out, is that they obviously did not know where they were

Starting point is 00:04:32 when they're putting this story out there because it doesn't match the geography, doesn't match the area they're in at all. Okay, you know what, Dave Mack, I think you've gone too far out on the limb, claiming that just because the dad was wearing a hoodie, that somehow he's quote, you sound like Prince Andrew, who said, I couldn't have molested Virginia Jafrey in the Epstein case because those were my traveling clothes. Right. So you're saying this was all wrong because he was wearing a hoodie. Okay, please don't say that anymore. Don't tell that to anybody else, okay, because it's raising a lot of questions about your reporting. But that said, the other part I found really interesting. He came in, asked if we had any info.

Starting point is 00:05:19 If so, please let me know, no tears, just exaggerated facial expressions, rubbing his eyes. breathing heavily. Okay, that's interesting because you know what to Dr. John Delo Tori. Delatori is a renowned psychologist, a mediator, his specialty is forensic psychology. Dr. Delatori, I know that this woman that works at the beta clothing store beside Big Five is not a shrink like you. She is not a nonverbal message expert. She's not like a jury consultant that watches all the jurors, if their tics and their quirks to see if they would be good or bad on the jury for their client. But she is a regular person like most of us, that when you get an odd sense about somebody, you better listen. Now,

Starting point is 00:06:19 a lot of guys, especially men, say, oh, you know, that's just a woman. Um, um, you know, that's just a woman. Um, a nervous woman reading too much into it, I think hunches are very valid. And I believe that they are born of thousands of years of evolution, that you pick up things. You don't even realize you're seeing or hearing or feeling or smelling. I mean, it could be anything. So the fact that he's wearing a hoodie, I don't care. But her feeling that it, quote, just felt off. I want to follow up on that deletory. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, no, she's not a mental health professional, but she is a human being, a human being working in the service industry. So she interacts with people all of the time and all of these people. She never knows who's going to be

Starting point is 00:07:13 coming in and for what reason and what, you know, their day to day experiences are. She knows about this case and is expecting to experience something coming off of this man. And she doesn't get it. And that's already a red flag, right? Her antenna is already up. So now she's going to be looking at more things. What are the other inconsistencies that are going on when she tells herself, look, if this was my child, this is how I would be. Comparing those emotional states to the person that she's seeing right in front of her are inconsistent. And that's what makes him just seem more suspect.

Starting point is 00:07:48 Okay, brace yourself. Philip Dubay joining us, veteran trial lawyer out of the L.A. jurisdiction. Jump in, DeBay. I think it's ridiculous to assume that parents who are in search of a missing child have to follow some type of a blueprint ammanac or connect the dots in some way, shape, or form to suggest that they're not behaving the way parents who might be in despair would display. Because if you think about it, this is something that may never happen during the course and scope of running a business and certainly during the course and scope of raising children. So I don't know what anybody's talking about in assuming that it was the right way to behave while looking for your kid. Didn't you tell me on a prior program that you don't have any children?

Starting point is 00:08:32 So what do you know about what people are going through raising children? Because I've told you what happened when John David went missing and it always are us. Wait, babies are us. I did not try to make myself cry. It's self-preservation. It's preservation of your family. You don't have to be a parent to know that a kid is missing and that you can kind of pitch in and help find the child. That's absurd.

Starting point is 00:08:53 And to suggest that either, you know, how you're dressed, how you behave, whether or not you're crying should follow that playbook and determining whether or not you're up to no good, I think is an unfair assessment. Okay. I knew you would say that. Straight out to Allie Neal, joining his co-founder, Reved Up Kids. She has been fighting for years to protect children from sex abuse, trafficking, and other forms of abuse. Allie, thank you for being with us.

Starting point is 00:09:23 Why is DeBaye saying that? Because you have dealt with so many parents that are suffering because they can't find their child. And I know defense attorneys say there is no playbook. But actually, there is a playbook. I've never seen a parent that did not show some sort of emotion when they're looking for a lost child, Allie. I would agree with you, Nancy, but I also. would agree that everybody has different ways that they show or hide emotion. We can't read his mind.

Starting point is 00:10:01 And, you know, the store clerk, yes, she was observing what she believed was fake behavior. But none of that's going to hold up in court. His behavior when he walked into that store to ask about the annual. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. I don't know what you're saying. It won't quote, hold up in court. I mean, the fact that he didn't, are you suggesting that if this ever goes to trial, the jury cannot hear evidence of his demeanor at the clothing store? Because that's just bass backwards.

Starting point is 00:10:31 They will hear that. And they will wonder, like we are, why was he trying to make himself cry? They can hear it. But I think the defense would turn around and say, you weren't in his head. You don't know how he responds to, you know, crisis. Some people just shut down. Some people, you know, so it feels like speculation. Okay, Allie.

Starting point is 00:10:53 Okay, Allie. Steve Fisher, let's respond to that. Steve Fisher joining us, missing persons private investigator, search and rescue specialist. You can find him at search investigations.org. Steve, you have made a living. This is what you do day in, day out. You find missing people, especially children. You go through all sorts of searches.

Starting point is 00:11:16 You do all-terrain searches. You've overseen water searches. You've overseen dump site searches. Name it. You've done it. So, Steve, Ali Neal agrees with Philip DeBay that parents cannot act upset at all when their child is missing. In fact, in this case, the witness says he was trying to make himself cry.

Starting point is 00:11:44 Now, I find. that very odd behavior. The hoodie doesn't mean anything to me. But the demeanor and what you're about to find out about them just hanging around in the parking lot, not actively looking.

Starting point is 00:12:00 Like what do they think baby Emmanuel's going to walk back into the parking lot? He's seven months old. But making yourself cry or trying to, that's just wrong. I don't know why they're saying that that's normal. I've never seen. I always see

Starting point is 00:12:15 frantic, you know, people that are just, you know, have no control of their emotions, actually. And that, they both seem to kind of have that same reaction to me. It was kind of forced and it was, you know, looked like a more of a press opportunity. You know what? We have barely touched the tip of the iceberg. So I'm going to move us forward. Listen. If their baby had been kidnapped, they would have been out looking for them.

Starting point is 00:12:42 Same with like my sisters with their kids. You know, it's just not something to just hang around in a parking lot and then just be mingling with your family. I don't know. We close at 7. So for them to say it happened at like 747, the whole parking lot is empty basically by that time. Back to Dave Mack, that is exactly what you were saying. If there had been a baby kidnapped, they would have been out looking for them. They were just hanging around the parking lot, like hanging out with the family, like tailgating in the parking lot.

Starting point is 00:13:12 She goes on to state, and that's where our friends at U.S. We close at seven. So for them to say it happened at 747, the whole parking lot is empty. Is that what you were saying earlier, Dave Mac? Explain. Okay, not exactly, Nancy. The store next door to the Big Five actually closes at seven. And their parking lot is adjacent to the Big Five.

Starting point is 00:13:36 Big Five stays open later than that store next door. But for the most part, the parking lot are fairly empty, certainly empty next door. next to Big Five, and the Big Five is thinning out. There's not a lot of activity there after 7 o'clock at night. That's what the manager was trying to say. Okay, got it. Guys, it goes on from there. In the last hours, a lot happening in the case,

Starting point is 00:14:00 a lot happening in the search for Baby Emmanuel. Listen. It's appropriate to have a press conference because it was the defendants in this case that had a press conference first, and they did so. In order to tell the public, the media, and ultimately law enforcement, that their child had been kidnapped. I was going to get the diaper and somebody said, hello, and I don't, I woke up right here on the floor.

Starting point is 00:14:28 And I didn't see him mad, y'all. He was a healthy baby. He was, he was crawling, he was kicking, and he was playing with his toys. Whoever took our son, please give him back. I'm watching his demeanor as he's speaking. His voice seemingly is cracking, but he's not crying. And he doesn't look distressed at all. That was my friends at KTLA and ABC 7. You were first hearing Mike Hestron from Riverside County DA's office stating they were having a press conference because the mom and dad had already had their own press conference.

Starting point is 00:15:11 With me, special guest, Dr. Eric Isan, board certified forensic pathologist, and you can find him on Facebook at Eric August Easton. Dr. Isan, thank you for being with us. How can she explain that she was attacked from behind, but yet has a black eye on the front of her face? Yeah, could have fallen forward, hit something. She could have spun around after being attacked from behind and been punched in the face. Those are all possibilities. Dave, Mack, I want you to explain to me what Big Five employees state about the mom coming in earlier before baby Emmanuel goes missing to state that her car had been vandalized. That's exactly what happened.

Starting point is 00:15:57 She went to the store and asked, hey, she actually said, my car has been broken into in your parking lot. I'm just wondering, don't have any surveillance cameras pointed in this direction at all that might have been able to capture my car. car in the parking lot and can you show me where it is? And she was able to find out exactly what they had for surveillance in the parking lot. So she already knew ahead of time. And by the way, they don't live in that area. It would have been out of the way for her to be at that store any day other than when she was there. Dave Mack, when do they say that that happened, that the mom came in stating her car had been vandalized and asking if there were cameras, surveillance cameras on any of the stores? This is one of those stories, Nancy, where we

Starting point is 00:16:41 We've been told that she came in three days earlier. We have, since they don't have any cameras, we can't actually find video proof that she did that, Nancy. But that is what has been said by employees of the store. Well, Steve Fisher, wouldn't it be a matter of getting her cell phone and tracking the cell phone to determine if it had been in the parking lot two or three days earlier? Absolutely. That's something that's celebrating to a cell right on her phone. They'll be able to find out that information. Um, and there's also, but I don't think she knew is there's lots of other surveillance cameras that are pointing, uh, that are showing that parking lot from across the street and, uh, other ways. You know, I actually spoke, I actually went to the big five and spoke to the employees and that witnessed her come in and, um, they clearly, you know, remember her coming in and it was suspicious to them. And, and then when she came in with the kidnap claim, that's immediately what they thought of. They're like, this lady was here. And what they said to me was earlier in the month.

Starting point is 00:17:41 although this happened fairly early in the month. Okay, wait a minute, wait a minute. Steve Fisher, explain exactly what the employees told you. Sure, I went into the Big Five. I was there the day after the kidnapping claims happened, and they told me that she had come in and asked, she had said that her car had been broken into, and she wanted to know if there was surveillance

Starting point is 00:18:01 because she needed it for the insurance claim, and they told her that they did not have exterior cameras on the building and that was that was it you know of course at that time they don't know what's about to happen a few days later but that's what they told me philip dubay what about that quite the coinketing right uh dubay don't you just hate it when your clients case the joint days ahead of time to find out at their surveillance video i would be interested to find out if she really filed an insurance claim when her car was quote burglarized what about it DeBay and she goes back to the same place and gets attacked a second time. Same parking lot,

Starting point is 00:18:48 same car, same everything. If I were defending her, I would put those store employees through the Vegamatic. I would just really left, right and center, just cross-examine them like they have never been crossed before. And I would want to know just how many employees are saying that about my quote-unquote client. So, for example, this was your search and rescued debut, wasn't it? I bet you you check the lighting before you spoke. You shut off all the fluorescence and make sure you had bright light and number two pancake to rub out of your nose and your forehead. What are you even talking about? What are you talking about? In other words, I would try to show that they're exaggerating. Oh, okay. To Steve Fisher, does he look like a camera crew to you?

Starting point is 00:19:33 It sounds like a regular guy to me. He goes in and talks to them about what happened and they volunteer, not just one of them under, you can take Fisher down, okay, put DeBay back up. Debate, to believe your theory, all of the employees that opened up to see Fisher would all have to be in on it, that all have to be part of a conspiracy to lie about Mrs. Harrow, that all have to be in on it to get Ms. Harrow that they've never met before this. They don't know her. There's no grudge. There's no ex to grind. But yet, they're all willing to lie

Starting point is 00:20:14 to a guy that just walks through the front door and ask what happened? Is that your story? They're all getting together to lie on Rebecca Harrow. Well, Philip Duvain, his personal capacity would absolutely buy it. But if I were defending her, I would do whatever I could to make it look

Starting point is 00:20:30 like they all put their heads together to take the lady down. Wait a minute. That's your Vegematic that you're bragging about. I'm going to put the witnesses to a vegematic. Yeah. Okay. Number one,

Starting point is 00:20:42 nobody uses a vegetmatic anymore unless you, I shot my hand, of course, but everybody else uses a, what do you say, Quezonar?

Starting point is 00:20:51 All right. So that said, that's your vegematic. You're going to accuse them of having their star turn with Steve Fisher who is not a camera person?

Starting point is 00:21:05 If I were defending them, absolutely. I would do whatever I could to challenge their perceptions, their recollections, and their incentive to want to take the lady down. And you'd be amazed how many times. Dubai. You need a search one. You need a search one to search all the employees home and find that pancake makeup you're talking about. This is the vats and vats and pots of pancake makeup and heavy powder that they were going to apply.

Starting point is 00:21:32 For the moment that Steve Fisher happens to walk through their door, they were ready for that. Okay. What about this debate? In the early stages of the investigation, detectives challenged Rebecca Harrow on inconsistencies in her story, and she stops cooperating. Both parents are asked to take a polygraph, but Jake Harrow refuses the polygraph without his lawyer present. Okay, so I guess you think that's normal behavior too. When your child goes missing and your wife is attacked in a parking lot, you won't take a poly because of what? What are you afraid of?

Starting point is 00:22:03 of inconsistencies, imperfect, unreliable science. And we've seen this before. Remember when the Madeline McCabe baby was abducted in Portugal? The parents would not submit to a Paul. Macan, Madeline McCann. Mattel McCann. Mattie McCann. Remember that the parents would not submit to the polygraph,

Starting point is 00:22:23 not because it was consciousness of guilt. It was consciousness of scientific imperfection. That was the problem. Can you imagine then being detained and held based on imperfect science? No. So what do you do? You clam up, you ask for a lawyer,

Starting point is 00:22:39 particularly in a situation when you're being confronted with quote unquote inconsistencies and you have turned a search and rescue into an adversarial proceeding. I would have climbed up as well and asked for counsel or just remained silent.

Starting point is 00:23:00 Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Hey Fisher, I believe that you know Mark Class. He's the gold standard. His daughter Polly was kidnapped, sex assaulted, and murdered by Richard Allen. She was having a spend-the-night party in her mom's home. When police came to search Mark Class's place, he opened the door and said, here, take my fingerprints, search my place, search my car. search my office, do whatever you want, then you can move on to find out who took my daughter,

Starting point is 00:23:39 okay? He was willing to take a polygraph. I find it very odd that faced with your child disappearing and a violent attack on your wife in a parking lot that you refuse a polygraph and lawyer up. I got a problem with that. I agree. I mean, if a child goes missing, even if the public might be thrown accusations around, I mean, as a parent, if you have, have no guilt in it. I think it's the last thing going through your mind is, you know, a failing of holograph. I, you think they would be willing to submit to whatever would help investigators. And if the public's making those claims, then you have to tune that out.

Starting point is 00:24:21 If you truly got nothing to do with it. But in this case, that's not what we saw. They told us they were cooperating. That's what the parents told the news. But it doesn't seem like it because the time I was there, they were in the house the whole time. They weren't out searching and it doesn't sound like they were truly cooperating with authorities. In the Southern California news group, Rebecca Harrow denies she went to the big five in Yucaypa days before she reported the kidnapping and told employees her car had been

Starting point is 00:24:47 burglarized in the parking lot and asked if the business had surveillance cameras. The sheriff's department has yet to address the claims. Little Emanuel was first reported missing on August 14th. They have searched two counties and they have still not found. with this little boy. Baby Emmanuel, just seven months old, reportedly goes missing out of a big five sporting goods parking lot there with his mother. This is a seven month old baby that they are looking in the roughest terrain in the world board and they bring out the baby's father and he doesn't even bother to offer any kind of assistance, any kind of help. Tonight's source is stating they know why baby Emmanuel will never be found.

Starting point is 00:25:34 This as witnesses state, the dad, Jake Harrow, asked for help in staging baby Emmanuel's kidnap. But there's another baby taking center stage. Listen. The sister of Emmanuel was so badly injured at just 10 weeks. She was left unable to see, talk, or walk. The little girl is being raised by her adopt. of mother, who renamed the child Promise Faith.

Starting point is 00:26:02 At just 10 weeks old, Promise had an acute fractured rib, healing fractures of six ribs, a skull fracture, a brain hemorrhage, swelling of the neck, a healing fractured leg bone, and nutritional neglect. Caro and his former partner, Vanessa Avena, were both charged with child cruelty in 2018, to which Harrow pleaded guilty. Dr. Eric Eason, the injuries to baby Emmanuel, Daniel's sister are overwhelming. And according to reports, she has cerebral palsy because of repeat abuse.

Starting point is 00:26:40 How can that happen? How do you get cerebral palsy from beatings? Well, it's trauma to the brain, and it's a blunt trauma. So a solid object struck the head or the head struck a solid object or some combination of the two. And so everything indicates that with the rib fractures and all the other fractures on the body in different stages of healing that they were inflicted by another individual and that's how the cerebral palsy can occur in a child due to injury to the brain. And what's so disturbing Dave Mack is that a judge allowed Jake Harrow, the father in this case that reportedly asked for help

Starting point is 00:27:20 from store employees to set up his baby's kidnap. He got to walk free. He walked free. He walked free. Isn't that true? The judge said, hey, I'm going to do you a favor. Judge Dwight W. Moore suspended Harrow's prison sentence and granted straight probation. What happened, Dave Mack? He spent a couple of weeks picking up trash on the side of the road, Nancy, in a work release program. Defense attorney Philip DuBay, the baby cannot walk, talk, hear, See? He got probation. I guess you think his lawyer did a good job. Well, of course he did. I mean, you cannot claim that that attorney was ineffective. I think the real question, though, is why the prosecution wasn't pounding its fists on counsel

Starting point is 00:28:14 table, demanding that this judge imposed prison or why they didn't file what we call an affidavit of prejudice against the judge and you get moved to a different court. It's my understanding Okay, so somehow you're going to not, you're somehow trying to blame the prosecutor for this. Well, I've got a truth bomb for you. Listen. Jay Carroll pled straight up to the court, which sometimes reporters get this wrong, and you call it a plea bargain. Judges are not allowed to plea bargain. Defendants can plea bargain with the prosecutor, but when a defendant pleads up to the court, they plead to everything that they've been charged with, and they're essentially throwing themselves on the mercy of the court.

Starting point is 00:28:57 It's called a blind plea in most jurisdictions. What that means is the prosecutor would only agree to a plea bargain for serious jail time. The defense wouldn't take it. And so they go to the judge blind, so to speak, and throw themselves on the mercy of the judge. The prosecutor disagreed. The prosecutor wanted hard jail time. It's the judge. Judge Dwight

Starting point is 00:29:25 W. Moore. They went to the prosecutor. Yeah, you know what? Screw you. And the horse you rode in on. I'm going to give a straight probation. Even though he blinded the baby girl, he made her deaf, dumb, and mute,

Starting point is 00:29:43 and she can't walk, and she has cerebral palsy. But hey, he actually said from the bench, I'm going to give you a break. I'm going to do you a favor. The prosecutor was doing a back flip. Listen. In this case, a judge here in Riverside County happened to have been a visiting judge

Starting point is 00:30:03 from San Bernardino County gave Mr. Harrow a suspended sentence, which means that instead of sending him to prison, he chose to give him probation and suspend prison time sort of over his head, meaning that if you violated his probation, he would then go to prison. My prosecutor in the courtroom objected to that and said on the record we we object we we think it's a prison case you should send him to prison and the judge decided that mr harl deserved an extra break and gave him probation and basically 180 days of work release that decision was absolutely outrageous mr harrow should have been in prison at the time that this crime happened and it's if that judge had done his job as he should have done,

Starting point is 00:30:57 Emmanuel would be alive today. That is Mike Hester in the Riverside County District Attorney saying, we beg for jail time. We demanded jail time. And Judge Dwight W. Moore threw us out of court and gave this guy straight probation. And what did he do? He goes into a store asking them to help him give an alibi, help him create a story. that his child, his other child

Starting point is 00:31:27 was kidnapped. That is the woman, that is the person Ali Neal that you said, hey, there's no playbook for a parent who's lost a child. So maybe he was crying. Maybe he was really upset. That's the guy. He had already beaten one child into oblivion. Okay. I want to backtrack because you were asking specific questions about his demeanor in the store and the clerk's perception of his demeanor in the store. Do I think he did it? A hundred

Starting point is 00:32:00 percent, yes. I absolutely think he did it. And I completely agree that he should already be in jail for the other child abuse. So, yeah, this whole story just smacks of this wild, made-up lie. And I hope the wife is going to break. I hope she's getting down, Ali. I'm sitting down. Are you sitting down. Simple. I am sitting down. Well, you might need to lay down for what you're about to hear, Allie Neal. At the end of their sentence, he told Jake, I'm giving you a big break today, don't mess it up. But I want to point something out to you. I want to read to you the injuries that the child's name is Carolina. She's still alive today, but she is permanently bedridden. She has permanent damage, a cerebral palsy, that is a result of long-term child abuse.

Starting point is 00:33:01 Crime stories with Nancy Grace. She got out of the vehicle to change baby Emmanuel's diapy, and she was attacked from behind. But when she woke up from the attack, the baby is gone. No money is taken, there's no sex attack, no carjack, just the baby, no surveillance, no witnesses saw this. How can you look at the disappearance of baby Emmanuel without factoring in what Jake Harrow did to this baby's sister who is left forever in basically a vegetative state because of of him. He pled guilty. It's not a question. Dubei will probably make it sound like, well, maybe it didn't happen. He pled guilty under oath in a court of law. He rolled the dice and he hit the jackpot because the judge gave him straight probation and what does he do?

Starting point is 00:34:07 According to reports, he tries to get store employees to help him stage a kidnap, the kidnap up another baby, Baby Emanuel. But before we move on, I want you to hear the Riverside County District Attorney, Mike Heston, recount what happened to baby Emanuel's sister. I want to read to you the injuries that were presented in court to this judge at the time of that previous prosecution. Acute fracture of the posterior left rib, fifth rib, healing fractures, healing fractures of the posterior lateral six, seventh, and tenth through twelfth ribs, healing fractures of the six and ninth through 12th ribs, partial bone fracture of the skull, brain hemorrhage, significant prevertible soft tissue swelling of the neck, and a healing tibia fracture of the right leg.

Starting point is 00:35:05 You know, when you hear the district attorney reading off the injuries to the baby girl, who was, you know, just weeks old. You can numb yourself, but if you think about what he is saying, if you let your mind go to what he is saying,

Starting point is 00:35:27 what was done to the baby is brutal, it's hateful, it's downright evil. What was done to this baby girl, and now baby Emmanuel is missing. Now, according to sources, baby Emmanuel will never be found.

Starting point is 00:35:51 Harrow's next door neighbor is saying the body of Emmanuel Harrow will never be found. After hearing police had Harrow out by the 60 freeway, the neighbor says she can hear the coyotes at night like they are in the front yard and says she doesn't think the remains will be found. Quote, one, something to be found. I'm pretty sure you could find a way. Sad to hear, but true. If you're a local here, you know, know that baby's gone. Dave Mack, explain to me what the neighbors are saying. They're pointing out, Nancy, that while it seems the area that you're talking about with

Starting point is 00:36:23 Riverside and San Bernardino counties, there are a lot of areas that are very rural, okay? A lot of underbrush and coyotes. The coyotes are wild and they can hear them at night. And as the neighbor pointed out, they're so loud. They sound like they're right here in the front yard. And that's what she's pointing out. There are so many areas where if that's what your goal was to get rid of something that nobody would find, you could do it in this area around the house within two or three miles could be totally lost.

Starting point is 00:36:58 I want to go to Steve Fisher joining us, a search and rescue specialist, owner of search investigations. Steve, if that's true what the neighbor is saying, that Emmanuel's body will never be found. If the body had been disposed of out in one of these many, many open and desolate areas, could cadaver dogs find even a trace, a part of the baby, assuming coyotes had gotten to them first? Yes. So, and listen, this is a huge vast open area and I do a lot of searches out in this area. And these are scavenger animals. It's not just coyotes, but there is a lot of mountain lion in that area. And they're opportunistic animals and they will feed upon stuff like this, but they scatter the bones. They'll use them as salt lick sometimes. And I understand such a young child has softer bones in an adult. However, they'll, it does actually, they'll spread those remains. It actually gives a wider area for then humans or canines to come in and search. And there still is going to be, you know, a material left where the canines can pull scent.

Starting point is 00:38:16 So, but it's not going to happen if they're not out searching. And that's, you know, where I have a problem lately is I don't see these searches happening. But yes, even if these predatory animals, we see it a lot in desert searches and it does happen, but they do leave, you know, remains behind. There is, of course, a remote chance baby Harrow is still alive that Emmanuel was sold or given away. But again, when you don't know a horse, look at his track record. Dr. John Deloori, we know that Jake Harrow has a history of beating infants.

Starting point is 00:38:55 So it makes me believe that the neighbor could be right, Dr. Delatory. Yeah, I agree. I mean, just listening to the list of injuries that baby Catalina suffered, I mean, I almost want to cry. And you're right, Nancy, you know, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. And we see someone who engage in sadistic, violent behavior against vulnerable children. And so more than likely, if something could have happened and the same thing would have happened to baby Emmanuel. So are there other? things that could have happened, sure, but the most likely thing, the most probable thing is that these two parents engaged in some nefarious act and baby Emmanuel is now gone and we're struggling to try to find him. You know, let's clarify when you say gone, you mean dead. I do mean dead, yes. In the last days, Jake Harrow and wife, Rebecca Harrow are in court. Jake Harrow has a public defender who entered a not guilty plea for him at arraignment and Rebecca Harrow's court-appointed private counsel, Jeff Moore,

Starting point is 00:40:01 entered a plea of not guilty for her. Moore from the firm Blumenthal and Moore previously represented Louise and David Turpin, the parents serving a life sentence now for abusing their 13 children for years. In court, Jake Harrow is wearing a jail-issued red jumpsuit, indicating he is not in general population for his own protection, and Rebecca Harrow is wearing blue jail uniform for the same reasons. Oh, so they're getting protected from the other inmates. I got a question, DeBay, why do you hire a defense attorney that lost the Turpin case?

Starting point is 00:40:35 Great question. And I happen to know who defense counsel is. He is private, but he's court appointed. So he was not privately retained. He was appointed by the court at taxpayer expense. This young couple is impoverished. They don't have a pot or a window to spend on private counsel. Are you trying to make me feel sorry for them because they can't afford a high-priced defense?

Starting point is 00:40:56 attorney like you, they got a high-priced defense attorney. His name is Jeff Moore, and he's with Blumenthal and Moore, and he lost the case as Louise and David Turpin. They got life. The firm has a contract with Riverside County to pick up all conflict cases where the public defenders declares a legal conflict of interest. So they are on an annual contract where they're basically paid a lump sum to represent everybody brought in on conflicts during the contractual period. Well, they landed in a pot of honey, yet again, getting a veteran trial lawyer. That's not all. We hear Dave Mack that these two demons from hell that are presumed innocent until proving guilty are wearing special jumpsuits, which means they are not

Starting point is 00:41:42 in general population. Why? Well, it's for their own protection because of the charges, Nancy. At least that's what we're being led to believe. Because you know, we all have heard jailhouse stories of how people who hurt children are treated with the way they should be treated. That's for their own protection. Dave, Mac, those two turpins are alive and well, and you and I got to pay for three hots and a cot. For those two, again, demon's straight, straight from hell. They're from hell.

Starting point is 00:42:18 All those children abused, starved, beaten, kept literally enchanted. in closets. Now the question is, are these two wet cats in a barrel going to turn on each other? And I've got an indicator they will. Jake and Rebecca Harrow were brought in through separate doors at opposite sides of the courtroom. They did not appear to look at each other. And Jake Harrow kept his eyes on the judge. Rebecca Harrow was kept out of direct view by her private attorney appointed by the court, Jeff Moore from Blumenthal and Moore. Don't you just love it, Dubei, when your client and the co-defendant won't even look at each other in court? I've seen them sitting right beside each other in court, and they look the other way.

Starting point is 00:43:01 They won't even look at each other. I smell a state's witness, and I think the state's witness is going to be Rebecca Harrow. I hope she doesn't get a sweetheart deal to testify against her husband. State, you don't need her. You don't need her to prove this case. What about it, Dibay? I think you're absolutely correct, and I've said it. from day one. I think at most Rebecca was an accessory after the fact, meaning she was not

Starting point is 00:43:26 complicit in the underlying homicide, but may have had a hand in covering it up so that her husband wasn't arrested. Still a crime. The legal goodness for Rebecca is that that only carries three years at halftime and does not have a life top. So if in exchange, she testifies against her three mirrors, I could live with it. I'm just curious. Are you actually on something? This woman is not getting three years and walking free. That's not happening. The state doesn't even need her. You don't think she was there when baby Emmanuel was

Starting point is 00:43:58 killed? She took part in the whole thing. What proof do you have? What proof is there that she had a hand in the murder? If there even was a murder. Seriously, it's my understanding of the evidence against a gate. Did you say if there even was a murder? Did you just say

Starting point is 00:44:14 that? Yes. You're losing a lot of credibility right now, DeBay. I could understand as to him, but What do you have on her? Other than she's got a black guy in a parking lot saying somebody said, Ola, kidnapped the kid and purportedly drove off. Right now, you've got nothing saying that she had a hand in that murder, if there was a murder. We wait as justice unfolds. If you know or think you know anything about baby Emmanuel,

Starting point is 00:44:40 please dial 909-387-831- Repeat, 909-387-387-187-187-187-1-9. And now, we remember an American hero, Officer Mark Reynolds, South Carolina State Police, killed in the line of duty, leaving behind a grieving wife, Brandy, and three daughters. American hero, Officer Mark Reynolds. Nancy Grace, signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an IHeart podcast.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - WHY MISSING EMMANUEL WILL "NEVER BE FOUND"

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