Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - WHY NO ARRESTS After Girls' Lux Get Away Turns Deadly

Episode Date: December 19, 2022

Shanquella Robinson, 25, died on October 29, one day into a girls' trip to Cabo with six friends. Police records, Robinson's death certificate, and the stories told by Robinson’s friends all give co...nflicting accounts of her death. The friends initially told Robinson's family she died from alcohol poisoning in the presence of a doctor, who had been on the scene for about three hours. But the death certificate said that she died from a severe neck injury about 15 minutes after receiving the injury. A video surfaced after Robinson’s death that appears to show one of Robinson's companions beating her. Robinson does not fight back, and in fact, a voice is heard on the video asking her to do so. Mexican authorities and the FBI are investigating the case, and Mexico issued an arrest warrant and extradition request for one of Robinson’s traveling companions. The U.S. Department of Justice and, ultimately, the Secretary of State will make a decision on whether the extradition will be allowed. No arrests have been made. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Kathleen Murphy - Family Attorney (North Carolina); Twitter: @RalDivorceLaw Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst (Beverly Hills, CA); Netflix's: 'Bling Empire' (Beverly Hills)   Irv Brandt - Senior Inspector, US Marshals Service International Investigations Branch, Chief Inspector, DOJ Office of International Affairs; Country Attache, US Embassy Kingston, Jamaica, Author: “SOLO SHOT: CURSE OF THE BLUE STONE" AVAILABLE ON AMAZON IN JANUARY,  AND "FLYING SOLO: Top of the World," Twitter @JackSoloAuthor  Dr. William Morrone - Chief Medical Examiner, Bay County, Michigan; Author: "American Narcan: Naloxone & Heroin-Fentanyl Associated Mortality"  Joe Bruno - Reporter for WSOC-TV; Twitter @JoeBrunoWSOC9, Instagram @JoeBruno See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an iHeart Podcast. She's beautiful. She's smart. She is finishing up her business degree at school. She has a loving, loving family. So how does this beautiful girl, she's 25, Shinkela, end up dead at a luxury resort in Mexico? Okay, try to put the words in Mexico out of your head because the crime that's happening right now is not her murder in Mexico.
Starting point is 00:00:47 It's happening right here. Right here, I believe, in North Carolina, where the perps are hiding out. That's what's wrong today. We here in the U.S. are doing nothing to get justice in the murder of this 25-year-old beauty. And when I say beauty, I mean beauty on the inside and the out. You know how hard that is to find somebody who's really gorgeous on the outside and on the inside? They're just as gorgeous. Okay. Why is the mother, Shunquilla's mother, why does she have to send her other daughter to be with us today?
Starting point is 00:01:34 Because she is so upset. She can barely speak. Why are we dropping the ball? Why don't we just go up to Lady Justice and rip away her shield and take her sword and put it in the Dixie dumpster? We are not seeking justice for this girl. And it will be a day that hell freezes over that I stop seeking justice for Shinquella Robinson. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 111. You know how many times I have
Starting point is 00:02:16 said to a jury, let me go to you, Kathleen Murphy with me, high profile lawyer. Join me out of North Carolina at ncdomesticalaw.com. How many times have I said to a jury, Kathleen, I'm bringing you all this evidence. What do you want? A video? Well, in this case, we have a video because not only did her girlfriends that she went away to this luxe vacation just down a hop and skip, hop, skip, and a jump down the road from where Jennifer Aniston hangs out in Cabo all the time. Right down from that.
Starting point is 00:02:54 I'm going to trial today and I have a video. Yeah, this girl is being murdered in her luxury suite bedroom, being beaten dead by one of her friend girls, and another person is videoing it. She is dead. And there's a video, Kathleen. I cried when I saw that video.
Starting point is 00:03:15 I posted it on my personal Facebook page. But, Nancy, my question is, did these folks plan this crime that occurred in Mexico, in the United States? And if so, why are they not arrested right now for planning that crime, even though it occurred in the United States? OK, as I often say, Kathleen Murphy, I don't know if they taught you this in law school. I learned it in the courtroom. Screw them and the horse they rode in on. All right? I don't care if they planned it here, planned it in the hall, planned it in the doorway as they walked in her bedroom.
Starting point is 00:03:54 She is dead because of a break to her spine. And you see in the video them waking. She doesn't have on any clothes. She sleeps without any clothes on she's getting out of bed and they start beating her and hitting her in the head and to you dr tim gallagher medical examiner stated georgia at pathcaremed.com dr gallagher a medical examiner has told me in fact i think it was you that those blows to the head you see on the video, they think it's funny, their video in killing the girl, that in one of those videos, part
Starting point is 00:04:31 of it, you see her head go down to the right with such force, she never gets up off the floor, off, sitting on the carpet again. She dies right there. Did you see the beating in the video, Dr. Gallagher? I did, you know, and at that point it looked like her spine was broken or her neck was broken. You know, so it appeared as though the cervical vertebral column was dislocated from the skull itself. You know, so in that, you know, we call that an internal decapitation but it was a violent blow and it was a violent outcome and it was just absolutely sad and no reason for it that brought
Starting point is 00:05:13 about her uh instantaneous demise okay right there there's another cover-up because according to police she died three hours later that did not happen If you look at the actual death certificate, which I have right here in front of me, she died after just 15 minutes, max. I don't know why the cops are saying three hours later. But, you know what, I need to catch a lot of people up. I want to tell you
Starting point is 00:05:37 with me a very special guest today. Quilla, thank you for being with us. This is Shanquilla's sister. What is your sister's nickname? I know you do not call her Shanquilla all the time. I call her Gotti. Say what? My nickname to her was Gotti.
Starting point is 00:05:52 G-O-T-T-I. Gotti. I kind of hate that you're hearing everything we're talking about, like cause of death and the internal decapitation, which means when your head is severed from the rest of your spine but the skin is still in place so inside in your spine you've been decapitated but your head is still sitting on your body uh everybody i want you to hear our friends at abc listen that friday evening she's seen it very excited about the trip, you know, and she said
Starting point is 00:06:26 she was eating, getting ready to eat some tacos. They had a chef there. And I said, okay, love you. I will talk to you tomorrow. Enjoy yourself. And I never spoke with my child again. Not even 24 hours after her daughter landed in paradise, Salamandra says she got a worrying call from one of the friends who told her shankuila wasn't feeling well and i said well what's wrong with it and he said alcohol poison i didn't know what alcohol poison was you know but um he said um the doctor is on the way and i said well how you know alcohol poison if the doctor haven't arrived yet. You're hearing right there who I now consider to be a friend. This is Cinquella's mom speaking to us.
Starting point is 00:07:11 That's Salamandra Robinson talking. You know, Dr. Tim Gallagher with me, high-profile medical examiner out of Florida. You can find him at pathcaremed.com. Aside all of his education, catch this. He created the International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference. He lives and breathes cause of death. So I guess you can see the vast dichotomy between what the medical examiner says.
Starting point is 00:07:48 She died 15 minutes after essentially, as you described, an internal decapitation. And all the friends telling the mom on the phone it was alcohol poisoning, as if it was Shinquilla's fault that she is dead. That shows she drank too much, she's dead. Did they really think we were going to believe that? You know, well, Nancy, I mean, I guess in desperation, they would try any excuses better than none, but I don't really understand how they thought they would get away with it
Starting point is 00:08:16 and without an autopsy being performed. This is definitely magical thinking on their part, and she exhibited no signs of alcohol intoxication during the video. None at all. Right. That's a really good point. Dr. Tim Gallagher. And guys, I don't know if Fox Nation can play the video while we're talking,
Starting point is 00:08:39 but there were several times in the video I had to just stop watching it because the video is so violent. So, I want to find out, to you, Quilla Long, this is Cinquella's sister, who are these women in the video? And there's a guy there too, right? Supposedly her best friend? Her friend boy? I mean, a guy that's not a boyfriend, but it's her friend?
Starting point is 00:09:07 We don't know the females. We just know him personally. The other set of people are actually people who she went to college with. Okay, guys, went to college with. Alright, Joe Bruno is about to
Starting point is 00:09:22 join me from WSOC TV and he is joining me, I hope, with some kind of an update on why these friends have not landed their rear ends behind bars. Take a listen to our friends at ABC. Salamandra again says she confronted one of the friends who lived nearby. They say Shangquilla didn't die from no alcohol nearby. They say she didn't die from no alcohol poisoning. They say she had been beating her neck. He broke out in a sweat and he came out of his shirt. He was sweating so bad. It's like he was eating him up. But soon, another punch in the gut. Graphic cell phone footage leaked online appearing to show Shankula naked, physically assaulted by another woman, while others appeared to watch on, even encourage it.
Starting point is 00:10:11 Can you at least fight back? I was six. I had an opportunity to stop that situation. Neither one of them didn't do nothing about it. Who would give them the right to take a life? You're hearing the mom and dad speaking to our friends at ABC. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Joe Bruno joining me right now, reporter WSOC-TV. Joe, thank you for being with us.
Starting point is 00:10:52 Who are these women? They're on video. It would be a simple matter of seeing who registered at the hotel. I mean, Irv Brandt joining me, guys, former U.S. Marshal Service, International Investigation, also a DOJ, also author of Solo Shot, Curse of the Blue Stone, hits Amazon January, author of Flying Solo, Top of the World.
Starting point is 00:11:20 Irv, when you check into a hotel in another country, including Mexico, you have to show your passport and all your ID. They don't let you just walk in and run to your room and raid the minibar. So this has got to be on record, right? That's correct, Nancy. I'm confident the Mexican authorities have those people's passport information and also identified them and know their location in the United States. It's now a matter of going through the extradition process to bring them back to Mexico. How the heck did they leave the country to start with, Irv Brandt, the medical examiner, says.
Starting point is 00:11:58 She did not die of alcohol poisoning. She died of basically internal decapitation her head was disconnected from her body and then they hop on a plane and take off yes it's actually that simple uh they obviously left while the investigation was ongoing but now that it has been ruled a homicide and not an accidental death or death by alcohol poisoning, they can start the process to bring those people back to the country of Mexico. I don't know why
Starting point is 00:12:34 they let them leave to start with. That said, now we've got to get them back. Joe Bruno joining me, WSOC TV. Joe, what's happening and why? Nancy, these friends who were on the trip for Shin Quella, most have since deactivated their social media accounts. Many have changed their phone numbers and I have been to the homes of five of the six of them, addresses associated with these people
Starting point is 00:13:01 on the trip and they are no longer there. You mean they no longer live there or they're hiding out? They are either not answering or neighbors have not seen them in weeks. Okay, you know what, Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining me out of LA at drbethanymarshall.com. Dr. Bethany, there's nothing that screams, I did it, more than deactivating all your social and changing your cell number. And just disappearing. Nancy, can you imagine going on a trip out of the country with a friend, that friend is sick or dies, and you flee? I mean, that speaks volumes. Even if there was no video, you have so-called friends who leave somebody in an ambulance. Let me just picture that for a second. I mean, that is so profound. Then they go back to their mommy's homes, then they deactivate
Starting point is 00:13:53 everything. No wonder the one friend was sweating profusely when he came to Shankwila's family to confess what had happened. He wasn't sweating because he was so anxious about what happened to her. He knows he's going to spend the rest of his life in jail, Nancy. And you know, again, even if there was no video, you know, these friends were plotting this. This does not happen like in a blink of an eye in the spur of the moment. These friends were probably deriding Shankwila, saying horrible things about her, taking unflattering photographs, maybe not consciously planning to kill her, but at some sort of pre-conscious level, the attack was being planned. And I think that's what's so horrible about this is she was sort of like the lamb to the slaughter. She had no idea.
Starting point is 00:14:44 She called her mom and said she was about to eat tacos. She was having the happiest moments with new friends. I mean, if you ever hung out with new friends, it's so exciting to be with them and to get to know new people. And these new people were plotting against her all the while. What do we know about a restaurant coming out of Mexico? Take a listen to Our Cut 43.
Starting point is 00:15:04 This is Megan Bragg, WCNC. This is the article that has been circulating on social media. It claims that there has been an arrest in the Shinquilla Robinson case, but we wanted to walk you through the article because there are some red flags here. When someone reports and shares claims that are not verified, this is how misinformation spreads. First, the headlines suggest DeHaan Jackson was arrested in the United States. As of now, Mexican authorities have not publicly even named a suspect. They have issued arrest warrants but haven't said who the warrants are for. Okay, straight back to Joe Bruno joining us from WSOC. I heard the rumors and my cell phone blew up that there had been an
Starting point is 00:15:46 arrest in Shankola Robinson's homicide. Then quickly I learned that wasn't true. What do we know about any arrests or arrest warrants which would come out of Mexico? Right. And I've talked to the FBI, U.S. Marshals, as well as the state attorney general's office in Mexico. All tell me they do not have any information about an arrest being made. However, it is confirmed that an arrest warrant has been issued by the state attorney general in Baja, California, where Cabo is. But like that report said, they have not identified the person by name. They have just said this is for the direct attacker in this instance. Yeah, I'm looking at that. A prosecutor for Baja, California, sir, states that a friend of Robinson's, quote, who is the direct aggressor, which I take to mean the woman beating her in the head in the video, is being sought by international authorities on charges of femicide.
Starting point is 00:16:56 Charges of femicide. Now, femicide, to my understanding, in Mexico is the way they describe the murder of a female. What is that, Joe Bruno? Certainly. Femicide is basically when a female is murdered. They look at whether she was killed for reasons due to her gender or perhaps it was due to domestic violence. Oftentimes, when a woman is killed in Mexico, the case starts as femicide. And once they investigate, they determine those aren't the factors, then it gets
Starting point is 00:17:31 recategorized to a homicide. So it's essentially a type of homicide investigation by local authorities. Take a listen to our cut 46 from Newsy. Mexican prosecutors have said the suspect is an American and the charges are femicide. Mexican prosecutors said in a statement Robinson's death was the result of a quote direct attack not an accident. Mexican law enforcement has requested the suspect be extradited back across the border so she can face charges. That would require U.S. authorities to hand over an American citizen to a foreign government. She is going to have to be extradited to Mexico. I do see that happening. Deborah Blum
Starting point is 00:18:12 is a criminal defense attorney in New York. Blum says while she expects the extradition to happen, it could be a process to get it done. They're going to have to have their day in court where the person that's accused of this gets to say, I't agree to extradition and then they get to have a judicial hearing in front of the judge the fbi has also opened an investigation into robinson's death thank god in heaven the fbi is on it okay everything you just heard by the lawyer is it's a technical legal term it's latin it's called bs you might be familiar with that because irv brant joining me from the u.s marshal service isn't it true extradition is not the killer's quote day in court that's when you have a jury to determine if you're guilty or innocent and extradition is real easy let's just just pretend Jackie Howard over there is a killer,
Starting point is 00:19:06 and I find her holed up under her mama's bed in Tennessee. I don't have a court hearing about guilt or innocence. I drag her to a Tennessee court, and in my other hand, I have an extradition. It's one piece of paper signed by the governor of Georgia saying Jackie is wanted for murder. All I have to do, Irv Brandt, is drag her from under her mom's bed to a courtroom in Tennessee and say, Judge, here's the governor's extradition order. This is Jackie Howard. And then the judge asks her one question, are you Jackie Howard? If she says yes,
Starting point is 00:19:47 she's gone on the next jail bus to Georgia. If she says no, then I get to do a fingerprint kit on her right there in court and show it to the judge. Then we put her on a jail bus to Georgia. It's not a trial. It's not really even a fact finding process. It's just, are you Jackie? That's all it is. Agree, disagree, Irv Brandt? No, I agree. The process, as you just laid out for state to state, is actually a good comparison to how it works internationally. Why do you sound so calm? Why can you sound so calm? Are you just like exhausted from all the murder, extraditions and manhunts that you've
Starting point is 00:20:34 been on all around the world? Yes, yes. I mean, this girl got beaten dead, dragged out of bed and hit in the head till she's internally decapitated. Yes, Nancy. I served as the chief inspector at the Office of International Affairs for DOJ. Okay. In that case, let me formally apologize for anything that I just said, because you clearly know a lot more than me. Go ahead. Okay. I'll quickly run you through it. During my time at DOJ, at OIA, I supervised hundreds of these type
Starting point is 00:21:08 of cases, just like you said. And when the warrant is issued and the suspect is identified, and a foreign government sends the request to OIA, OIA attorneys, their assistant United States attorneys, assign the case to the district where the suspect is in. In this case, it would be Charlotte, North Carolina. Then the AUSA there evaluates the evidence, you know, the probable cause, which in this case seems fairly cut and dry. They have a video.
Starting point is 00:21:42 Then they prepare it for a judge who evaluates if there's probable cause, may issue an extradition warrant. Then that person is taken into custody. And just like you said, there's no day in court. They're not trying the case in Charlotte. They're going to try the case in Mexico. The only thing they're going to determine at that time, the first thing is, is that the person that the Mexican authorities want? It's basically an identity hearing. Then they'll determine if that person's going to be released pending the extradition process before their return to Mexico. They're not going to have a trial in Charlotte on a murder case. That's going to take place in Mexico.
Starting point is 00:22:31 Can I just answer that real question really fast? H-E-L-L-N-O. Once they get them in court, they're not going to be released. They are getting on a bus to take them to a plane to have them handcuffed on the plane and taken to Mexico. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Quilla Wong is joining me. This is Quilla's sister. What are police telling your mom? As of right now, nothing. The FBI, when she's in contact with them,
Starting point is 00:23:20 it just pretty much, they tell her they can't give her any information. And to just be patient. Guys, I want you to take a listen to our cut 40, our friend Nikki Hauser. We came to ensure that there is enough people putting pressure on the entire system to do what is necessary to get justice for this young woman. Among the mourners this weekend, activist Tamika Mallory, who spoke during the service and promised to get answers in Shankwila's case. Losing a loved one in the heinous way in which has happened to Shankwila, there probably will
Starting point is 00:23:51 never be peace for them. But there cannot just be an unopened situation. It has to be closed with truth. And it has to be that there is accountability for those who are responsible for her death. Joe Bruno, joining me from WSOC TV. Joe, trust me, I don't want to kill the messenger. That would be you. But explain to me why Mrs. Robinson, this is Shunquilla's mother, has to have vigils and she has to have activists and protests to put her daughter's killers on trial. What is, I don't understand that. I know you said you had to go looking for them, and you're the investigative reporter.
Starting point is 00:24:39 They've deactivated their social media, they've changed their cell phones, and they're hiding that from their apartments. Okay, I have faced that maybe a thousand times prosecuting a case. Of course, they leave because they know they're in trouble, but that should not stop local police from finding them. What are you learning, Joe? Just give me some good news. Give me any news. One of my door knocks to an address associated with the person believed to have attacked Shinqualla in that video. While no one answered the door, I noticed a business card taped to the door for the Forsyth County Sheriff's Office investigator. Forsyth County would be the county that issues a warrant
Starting point is 00:25:28 because that's the county that she resides in. But that tells me, at least, that there are local authorities actively attempting to get in contact with the people that were on this trip. You mean arrest the sorority? I know you nicely said get in contact. Okay, Joe Bruno, that is giving me a little bit of good news. Quill along, did you hear that?
Starting point is 00:25:52 This guy, Joe Bruno, WSOC-TV, is out trailing, tracking, trying to find the people involved with your sister's homicide. And he could tell that at least in one instance, the cops had already been there. Local cops. That's what we need. Local cops finding them, getting them to court. Because there are arrest warrants.
Starting point is 00:26:16 We just need them extradited. What about that, Quilla? That's a start. I mean, because before Joe Bruno information, I really didn't think they were doing anything, looking for anybody. I can't believe that it's taking this long. And Dr. Bethany Marshall, Psycho
Starting point is 00:26:33 Analyst to the Stars, joining us out of Beverly Hills. You can find her at drbethanymarshall.com unless you want to watch her on Netflix on Bling Empire. Dr. Bethany, that's a sad how do you do that the dead girl's sister and mother have to find out from WSOC, Joe Bruno,
Starting point is 00:26:54 no offense to you, Bruno, that the cops are trying to find these women. I mean, and the one guy. Why do they have to hear it here on Crime Stories? You know, Nancy, obviously, I've never worked for the DOJ. But when I heard there is a business card tacked to one of the perp stores, it seems just so paltry and so small. Because you know, these perpetrators, just like they videotaped everything, you know, there's a web expanding outwards to their friends, their family, frantic calls, people they're trying to get in touch with
Starting point is 00:27:31 to kind of cover up their tracks. So while I've never tracked somebody down, except for my own husband, maybe I've never tried to look for somebody, it seems like the track should be pretty clear. And, you know, when you've been a victim of a crime, the worst thing is ambiguity and the unknown. In the face of the unknown, I've said this so many times, we read our worst possible fears. Give the family something, give them a little drop of hope, a little tidbit, something that they can hold on to. Well, you know, another thing to Irv Brandt joining me, Senior Inspector at U.S. Marshal Service International Investigations Branch, was Chief Inspector at DOJ, Department of Justice, International Affairs. It goes on and on. He was also at the U.S. Embassy in Kingston, Jamaica. This happened in Mexico near
Starting point is 00:28:27 Cabo. Irv, there is a trail a mile wide, and I'll tell you, number one thing to do, get their credit cards, get their subpoena easy, show up, don't wait for them to mail them. Find out where they're charging and where those bills are going, where they hang out. I mean, do they charge every single day at the soup shop on the corner? Then go there and sit there and wait and get them. I guarantee you, finding their new cell numbers, finding where they're spending money, what ATM do they go to to get their cash that's how you're gonna find them irv that's correct nancy and i'm sure uh once the warrants are issued the federal warrants are issued uh the fbi the u.s marshal service uh the local authorities will do exactly what you're talking about they're issued ir, Irv. They're issued. I'm
Starting point is 00:29:27 not talking about the arrest warrant out of Mexico. You can't arrest someone on a foreign arrest warrant. They have to be arrested once the U.S. District Court issues the extradition warrant. And to my knowledge, those haven't been issued yet you know another thing i would do pronto i would go to mommy and grandma and auntie and i would exploit put some pressure on them and let them know there is no mommy daughter privilege oh no and if they are hiding these women and this friend, this male friend, they know where they are. If they are harboring a fugitive, I would put them under the jail right along with the defendants. Because they are obstructing justice. Quill along.
Starting point is 00:30:18 What about this guy, this friend guy? Who is he? Don't y'all know where he lives? Yes, but he's no longer in that house i bet he's not they're gonna they have to be with a relative staying with a relative i don't even think his mama is even going to work um last thing i heard that i don't even believe she works there any longer really so is everybody clearing out quill i mean help me tell me what's happening what do you know you know these other women went to college with her and i would say you know they got a college degree so they're not complete idiots they did video a homicide so they may be back in the idiot category they are but you do
Starting point is 00:30:57 know you know who the guy is who is the guy what is his name kal? Kalia Cook. Say what? Kalia Cook. That's right, Kalia Cook. Kalia Cook. And he is no longer in his house. Is his mother still at his house? Neither one of them are there. They're both gone. Oh, so he's snugged up with mommy.
Starting point is 00:31:16 Okay, Irv Brandt, what do we do now? Track them all. Track them both. Yeah, you're right. And everyone associated with them, Nancy. They're not going to be able to get away. Once those U.S. warrants are issued, they're going to be taken into custody fairly quickly. I'm sure they're tracking them now in anticipation of the warrants.
Starting point is 00:31:44 And then once they have the warrants, those people, you know, however many warrants are issued, those people will be taken into custody. Then they will be extradited back to Mexico. They don't have a political leg to stand on. We extradite people back and forth between the U.S. and Mexico on a daily basis. It's going to happen.
Starting point is 00:32:12 Dr. Tim Gallagher, medical examiner for the state of Florida. You can find him at PathCareMed.com. You and I have both reviewed the video that these idiots shot while Shankwilla is being killed. I'm just going to go out on a limb because according to the autopsy report,
Starting point is 00:32:35 she died within 15 minutes of the blow to the head. What? And I try not to do it,. Gallagher but I keep putting my little girl I keep thinking what if I was having to look at this video and it was my girl or my son
Starting point is 00:32:56 and I can't even imagine what Ms. Robinson is going through could you detail for people that have not seen the video, Fox Nation, I hope you're running it, what this girl, Shankwilla, went through with her friends?
Starting point is 00:33:15 You know, certainly the trauma is, it's just, well, number one, it's disgusting. The entire episode, the entire situation is just absolutely disgusting. You know, after she got attacked, she felt every blow to her body. And when she got the fatal blow, the fatal blow to the head, she can feel. You can feel that within your body you can feel your bones breaking you can feel the the paralysis come over you
Starting point is 00:33:53 you are unable to defend yourself you have no connection to your arms and your legs any further so you cannot move you cannot walk you are 100% totally helpless you know but still you are conscious you are still conscious uh for part of that time and you can still see the people around you are still very aware of the violent situation around you can still hear the voices of the people you know who are attacking you but she wouldn't be able to move, right? Because her spine had been severed. Right. She would be 100% paralyzed and she would not be able to move her arms, her legs. She would not even be able to speak, but she still would be able to hear and she still would be able to see, you know, and that's the horror of the entire situation. You'll still be able to understand what you're hearing.
Starting point is 00:34:46 You'll still be able to see the violence around you, even though your spinal cord was severed, yes. A few moments ago, Jackie waved a note at me, which I thought in the heat of that moment was irrelevant. But now I'm rethinking it, and I think it's entirely significant. She held up that Shaquilla was not found in the bedroom where we see her getting beaten as her friend guy. Is that who's videoing it, Quilla? Is the guy videoing it? That's one of them. That's not the actual friend that we know.
Starting point is 00:35:22 He's in the room, though, because he wants to do that video. When he panned the phone a little, you can see him on the left. Khalil is standing on the left. Again, they're on video. Hello, local police. So the fact that Jackie pointed out to me, her body is found in the living room, which Joe Bruno, WSOC TV, that leads me to think that,
Starting point is 00:35:49 I mean, once she hit the floor, she couldn't move anymore. They severed her spine, it looks like in the video. Did they drag her into the living room to make it appear as if she had been in there? Not that they woke her up and then started attacking her?
Starting point is 00:36:05 Joe, because Jackie's telling me that she's found on the living room floor. And that's from the autopsy report, right? It's in there. Yes, it's listed there. Yeah, it is. She's right. What does that say to you, Joe Bruno? Oh, and is she found with her clothes on or off?
Starting point is 00:36:18 Off, still off, Joe Bruno. Yeah, you know, the medical examiner's report is clear as day. Found in her living room. Died within 15 minutes of her injuries. I don't have any information on whether she was clothed or whether her body was moved. I do know that, and Quilla can also talk about this, that she had bumps on her face. Her lips were cut. She clearly, clearly was showing signs of severe injury when she died.
Starting point is 00:36:56 Severe spinal cord injury and atlas luxation. That's what it says on the autopsy report. That's what Dr. Gallagher is describing. It also says person found unconscious on her living room floor, and we know her to be naked at the time of the attack. Her mom told me that Shankwela sleeps without her clothes on as many people do and it looked like it was by the bed and the covers were thrown back. Remember the video Jackie? And it looked like she had just gotten up and they immediately started beating her. So how does she get in the living
Starting point is 00:37:25 room? Dr. Bethany, I don't know if she was clothed or not at the time the doctors got there, but since she died pretty quickly, I doubt it. Okay, Joe Bruno, I'm just stymied because I'm not sure what, if anything, is happening to bring this mother justice for her daughter? I mean, I don't know if you have children, but all I can think about is my children, one of them going away on a girl's getaway, and then suddenly I get a call, she's dead. It's incredibly frustrating to not be able to provide a lot of information or even have an inkling of what's going on. I hold on to the fact that I did find that business card taped to the door associated with one of the people that went on this trip. And also just
Starting point is 00:38:11 this case has captivated Charlotte and really the world. Millions of people are watching this. Hundreds of people showed up to a vigil for Shinquilla over the weekend. Black social media users in particular are demanding justice and keeping this story alive. And we are trying to do just that. Another vigil over the weekend where Shinquilla's mother is just twisted in half with pain. Joe Bruno, who is responsible for the arrest? Charlotte PD? Irv Brandt, jump in. The FBI?
Starting point is 00:38:49 Who should be arresting these people that were involved in her death? Nancy, any law enforcement, once the extradition warrant is issued, any law enforcement agency can execute the warrant. It could be the local PD. It could be the warrant. It could be the local PD. It could be the FBI. It could be the U.S. Marshal Service. And more than likely, we'll go to a task force made up of everyone that I just said to locate the fugitive and take them into custody. If you have information about these so-called friends that stood by and watched or the one that beat her until she's dead, 888-407-4747.
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