Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Why won't Mommy tell us where baby Evelyn is?

Episode Date: March 13, 2020

15-month-old baby Evelyn is reported missing by her grandfather, and her mother gives multiple explanations about where the child is. First, it was a babysitter, then she is with her mother, but none of it rings true. What happened to Evelyn Boswell?Joining Nancy Grace today: Ashley Willcott, Judge and trial attorney, Anchor on Court TV, www.ashleywillcott.com Bruce Johnson - owner ISP Investigations-Master Sgt Region One Crime Scene Commander, Chicago Metro Area (Ret) Joe Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics Jacksonville State University, Author,"Blood Beneath My Feet" Dr Bethany Marshall, Psychoanalyst, Beverly Hills, www.drbethanymarshall.com, Kristen Kquon - WCYB Bristol, Va - Reporter Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Nancy Grace is coming to Fox Nation. I want justice. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Available now only on Fox Nation. How does a 15-month-old baby girl vanish into thin air? How does mommy not know, does grandmommy have the baby? Does granddaddy have the baby? Does the babysitter have the baby? What happened? Where is 15-month-old Evelyn? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Join our investigation. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

Do you know where your children are? Because I do. How can a 15-month-old baby girl, Evelyn, just disappear? What's the confusion? Does grandmommy have her? Does the babysitter have her? Has she been abducted? Why am I getting so many different stories about where is baby Evelyn? Right there. That's a major red flag.

This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 111. I'm Nancy Grace. I want you to take a listen to the Sullivan County Sheriff's Department presser. Finding Evelyn is our main concern and our top priority at this time. This case is unlike anything I've ever been involved in. We've had a child that's not been seen by the parents or certain family members in almost two months

and was just reported this week. Evelyn was last seen in December. As you all know, these cases are already time sensitive and we urge anyone with any information to come forward. I know there are a lot of questions and rumors floating around. Believe me, we have a lot of questions that are still unanswered as well. The investigation began on Tuesday afternoon, February 18, after the Sullivan County Sheriff's Office received a State of Tennessee Department of Children's Services referral. The

referral stated that certain family members hadn't seen the Evelyn in two months. The Sullivan County Sheriff's Office and the Department of Children's Services immediately launched an investigation to locate 15-month-old Evelyn Boswell. You know, at 15 months old, a baby is about that big. How do you lose that? It's not like you lose your car keys or your driver's license. How does this happen? How does nobody know where the baby is? And another thing, two months. Did you hear what the sheriff Jeff Cassidy just said? The baby hasn't been seen in two months. Is it taught mom Casey Anthonyony all over again it took him 60 days to report the baby is missing with me an all-star panel to analyze the clues left behind with me

ashley wilcott judge trial lawyer anchor court tv you can find her ashley wilcott.com, Bruce Johnson, owner, ISP Investigations, Master Sergeant, Region 1 Crime Scene Commander. That doesn't come easy. Out of Chicago, retired, Joseph Scott Morgan, professor of forensics at Jacksonville State University, author, Blood Beneath My Feet. On Amazon, you know, Joe Scott, if that doesn't make somebody want to read the book, I don't know what does. Blood Beneath My Feet. Okay, I'm going to just think about that later. Also with me, Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst to the stars out on Rodeo Drive. Joining me from Beverly Hills, she's at drbethanymarshall.com.

But right now, I want to go to WCYB Bristol, Virginia reporter, Kristen Kwan. Kristen, do I have that number correct? Did two months pass before anybody noticed the baby was missing or thought to call authorities? Kristen? Yes, that would be correct. Two months went by before she was reported by her grandfather to the Department of Children's Services. Wait, wait. Kristen, did you just say the grandfather reported her?

That is correct. The grandfather told the Department of Children's Services that he hadn't seen the child in about two months. Okay, Ashley Wilcott, you're a mom, two months, and you don't report the child missing? Granddaddy has to report the child missing? What's wrong with that picture, Ash? A lot's wrong with the picture in terms of our justice system.

Hey, hey, hey, Ashley, I'm glad you went all the way through law school. A lot. I like that. Brief and to the point. A lot. And you darn right, a lot is wrong with that picture. Let's just, with starters, what's your number one problem with that, Ashley Wilcott?

That it is a lack of supervision and that equals criminal neglect. Period. As a minimum. Well, I naturally, Joe Scott Morgan, excuse me, Joseph Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, I hear what Ashley's saying and I know she's correct, but I already have leapt to the next conclusion. I'm like, whoa, terminal neglect. I'm worried the baby's dead. When I hear nobody has seen the baby for two months. I mean, the baby's not in daycare. The baby hasn't been seen by whoever keeps the baby during the day if mommy's working. Where's the daddy in this scenario? What about neighbors?

What about relatives? Anybody, do they go to church? Do they drive to McDonald's every morning for coffee? I mean, nobody's seen the baby. That can only, that's only something bad. There's only one outcome to that. Something bad, Joe Scott. Yeah, it is, Nancy. And one of the things that for me, of course, I'm a cynic based upon everything

I've seen relative to death investigation of my career. I'm thinking that great harm has come to this child at minimum after this period of time. A child this age is not capable of taking care of themselves. Let's just assume that the child is out in a wooded area by themselves. They can't survive in that environment. And it would lead me to ask questions. Why is the family not more intensely involved? I got to tell you, if this was my tiny child like this, my hair would be on fire. I'd be looking everywhere.

I'd be shouting it from the rooftops trying to find out where she is because she's like a delicate little flower out there that has no protection whatsoever. I want to know where she is. I think the only person joining us today that has not heard my story about John David being lost is Kristen Kwan. Kristen, WCYB, have you heard the story about my son getting lost? I have not. Oh, okay, great. Jackie, Brett, Ellie, we have a new audience. Listen to this, Kristen. Kristen, do you have children? I have not. Oh, okay, great. Jackie, Brett, Ellie, we have a new audience.

Listen to this, Kristen. Kristen, do you have children? I do. I have a four-month-old. Okay, well, good for you. They can't get lost in babies or us. Okay, so I was at the pool, the community pool, and this mother came up to me, and I'm pretty sure she had on a skimpy Lily Pulitzer outfit with all the flowers. And there I am in my black tights and my t-shirt and tennis shoes jumping in in my clothes. And she goes, oh yeah, that suntan lotion is going to give your children cancer. I make my own homemade organic suntan lotion. I'm like, the children, my children were just shrieked white with all the stuff I put on them. So, okay,

I look into trying to make it. I don't have time to make suntan lotion. And so I go to Babies Are Us. It's a giant superstore and they have shelves floor to ceiling. And naturally I have to get down on the floor and I'm looking, trying to find organic sunscreen. And I'm saying, well, guys, I can't, blah, blah, blah, blah. This is only SPF, you know, 15. I finally stand up and turn around and say, Lucy, I didn't find it. That's the problem, Kristen. I've got twins, John David and Lucy. John David wasn't there.

I looked both ways. And as I had practiced so many times, I grabbed Lucy first by the hand. And then I just picked her up like a football and started running. And I didn't see John David anywhere at this point. They were about a little shy of two years old. And I started screaming to lock down the place. My son was missing. My baby was gone, screaming at the top of my lungs. Everybody started looking for John David. I ran all the way to the front where the glass doors and windows are. And I turned around.

And there he was. They had on those little rubber clogs. So he was sneaking around, playing hide-and-go-seek. He had just been on one aisle behind me, and when I went past that aisle, he went the other way. So as I was looking down both aisleways, running, he was somewhere giggling. Okay, so I'll never forget that moment when I grabbed him and hugged him because all I could think about was Adam Walsh. As you know, John Walsh's son, his wife, Rev, was shopping at Sears for a lamp. He was one aisle away.

He was abducted and never seen alive again. So this feeling that Joseph Scott Morgan is describing would be what any parent feels. And I agree with Ashley and Joe Scott. How could this moment pass and mommy not be insane? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. crime stories with nancy grace i want you to hear our friend wjhl reporter kelly grossfield at news channel 11 we're talking about baby evelyn missing sheriff jeff cassidy says this case is unlike anything he's ever seen. Toddler Evelyn Boswell, missing more than two months, just reported missing this week. New information released Friday says a babysitter last saw Evelyn on December 10th. While the mother,

Megan Boswell, is working with investigators, Sheriff Cassidy says her story just doesn't add up. You know, she is cooperating, but I'd like to say some of the information she's given us hasn't been really accurate. MEGAN BOTHWELL WAS SEEN LEAVING JUVENILE COURT FRIDAY MORNING. NEWSCHANNEL 11 REACHED OUT FOR INTERVIEW, BUT SHE DECLINED. THE REASON SHE WAS THERE HAS NOT

BEEN RELEASED. AS FAR AS HER ASSISTANCE IN THE CASE, THE SHERIFF SAYS IT HASN'T LED TO ANYTHING SOLID. Her stories aren't leading up to stuff that we went out and checked on. Video surveillance, eyewitness

testimony, so a lot of her testimonies are not solid. I think she's been there for a long time. I think she's been there for a long time. I think she's been there for a long time. I think she's been there for a long time. Her stories aren't leading up to stuff that we went out and checked on, video surveillance, eyewitness testimony. So a lot of her information hadn't been accurate. Regardless, the sheriff is determined to bring Evelyn home.

He is offering up to $1,000 of his own money as a reward for her safe return. I'm telling you, when the sheriff, that Sheriff Jeff Cassidy, puts up his own hard-earned money. I mean, the reality is Bruce Johnson, you know, your former master sergeant in Region 1 in Chicago, with a massive crime rate, much like inner-city Atlanta where I prosecuted, public servants don't make much at all. Today I'm wearing my East Point Police t-shirt. And I remember at the time they were making about 20, 30 grand a year to get out and put your life on the line. And here you've got a sheriff putting up a thousand dollars of his own money out of his checking account to bring this baby home. What about that, Bruce Johnson? Well, he should be commended. I mean, that's an honorable thing for him to step up and do. And, you know, in these smaller towns,

like you're talking about, there's a lot of emotion. People know each other. When a crime like this occurs, it affects the whole community. So especially with a little child like we're talking about, this is really very unusual, all the facts that are coming out so far. But I want to commend the sheriff because we all want all the answers and all the questions that he's asking her, and we don't have them yet. And that's good. That's good for the investigation, that they're working these leads. They're following the lies. They're following the unusual.

You just hit the nail on the head, Bruce Johnson. Bruce is with me, owner of ISP Investigations. Here's the problem. Kristen Kwan joining me, WCYB out of Bristol. Bruce hit the nail on the head. They're following all the lies, not all the leads. That slows down an investigation when you have to ferret out the lies to try to get to the truth. I mean, I always use Mark Klass as the gold standard because, or the Smart family, Elizabeth Smart's parents, they're, take my DNA, take my fingerprints, check my alibi. I'll get, here's my phone, take my laptop, whatever you need so you can get past me and look for my child.

But here, Kristen Kwan, they're having to source through all the lies Mommy, of all people, is telling. So what was her first story, Kristen Kwan, WCYB? Esther, where is baby Evelyn? What's Mommy's first story? At this point in the investigation, there was conflicting dates as well of when she was last seen. The grandfather said Christmas, but then the sheriff was saying he felt like December 10th or 11th was a more accurate date. So I think the first thing was when was she gone? Yeah, that's a good

point, Kristen, because I thought that it was said she was seen around Thanksgiving, which would have made it even worse. But you're right. You can't start a timeline without day one. Ground zero is the last time the child is seen. Mommy can't even tell me that with a straight face. Take a listen to our friend Maria Roberts, WCYB News 5. Well, the reason I didn't report it or anything is because I knew the person who had her, and I didn't want them to run away with her.

And as soon as they thought anything was going on, they just kind of vanished. So I'm just worried about, you know, like, where they're at, what they're doing with her at this point in time. Boswell wouldn't reveal who took her daughter, but says they were watching Evelyn while she was at work. They should just bring her back. They always seem to like what's going on and like, you know, they need to bring her back home.

When did you realize that they had completely disappeared? So in a way, I knew that as soon as anything went down, you know, the person was going to just disappear and they have and they've tried to find them. They won't answer phone calls. They've just kind of disappeared. Boswell admits she'd do things differently if given a second chance. Yeah, I probably called the first day. I should have.

But I just didn't want them to run with her like they have now. Give a second chance over my cold, dead body, Mommy. And this hand is going to be clutching your neck. Over my cold, dead body. Are you going to get another chance with any child? So you hear Mommy saying, and Dr. Bethany Marshall, she giggled. Jackie, did she giggle? She did.

I heard, eh. Her child is missing, and she's saying, oh, oh yeah, I should have called the first day. The first day. I mean, it's an unspoken rule. When my children go for a play date, the moms immediately send me a photo. Now we, we gloss it over like, oh, thanks. Such a cute photo. But they know I want to see my child, that it's okay, that they're fine, that they're at the movie or wherever they're supposed to be. I trust the moms. It's me. It's me.

I want to know because I can't stand not knowing because of people just like this mommy. So why is she giggling, Dr. Bethany? Nancy, I heard such nonchalance from her voice. Bethany, Bethany, the hair on my arm is completely covered in chill bumps. How could she say I would have called the first day? That tells me at the very get-go, she hadn't even called. The child had been gone a day, a day, overnight, the first day. She didn't call?

So, Nancy, when you do a forensic interview of a parent whose a day, overnight, the first day she didn't call? So Nancy, when you do a forensic interview of a parent whose child has gone missing, one of the things you look for and listen for is does the parent have empathy for the missing child? Are they worried? Are they scared? And you listen for details. You want the parent to talk about what was the child wearing? What was the child's last meal? What were the pictures taken that day? And what I hear in this woman's voice is that she doesn't care. She giggles. I heard her giggling. She giggles. She doesn't care. And you know, when you have a baby in a family, you talked about pictures. Everybody passes photos along. They FaceTime. They Skype.

They send pictures. There's pictures on Facebook. This child is the center of gravity for the family, right? Wasn't that way with twins that everybody couldn't wait to hear all the details about a swim class or, you know, did they take their first steps or, you know, what did they eat that day? There's no details here. All you hear is, I should have called the authorities. If I had a second chance, I would do it. The lack of empathy and the lack of details are alarming. Well, you know, let me just say, it sounds like a lie to me. And I know that may sound judgmental, but, you know, Kristen Kwan, I've probably put over 10

years of being on trial almost every other week. I don't know how many thousands of witnesses I've interviewed, put on the stand, cross-examined, analyzed, kicked out of court, you name it. This is not the appropriate demeanor. And defense attorneys will argue with me until they're blue in the face that mommy doesn't need to be crying there's no playbook for grief bs okay that's off the chart on the bso meter because this mom doesn't even sound concerned as a matter of fact you're hearing mommy speaking take a listen to our friend ansley daniel at wjhl news. Listen. Let's get into the last time you saw her. Tell me what that time was like and when that was.

Well, actually, I want to talk about that. I've told TBI where to find her in Mendota. My mom took her to a campground and a silver camper, and if they don't go tonight, I'm going to go find her myself. Because I've told them, and they're not really, like, taking it seriously, and if they don't go tonight, like, I will go myself and go get her. Tell me about the last time though that you saw Evelyn. Tell me what you guys did and when that was. We went to go out to eat and then my mom came and got her. She was wearing a little hot pink track suit with a matching bow and little

matching shoes. And was this December 28th like right after Christmas? A little bit before Christmas. My mom like you can ask her is a very vindictive, manipulating person. And she basically threatened me the whole time that she was gone. Do you know who has Evelyn right now? She dropped her off somewhere in Mendota at a silver camper. But my mom would always say the person, not people, guys. Nancy Grace here. We have all worked so hard to bring to you Don't Be a Victim,

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Thank you for joining us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 111 Triumph Channel. Evelyn Boswell, a beautiful little 15-month-old girl, goes missing. And now we're hearing, after mommy played coy with the cameras, refusing to state who had her baby, she finally breaks down and says it was her mother, that her mother took her camping. Let me go out to Kristen Kwan, our special guest joining us today from WCYB Bristol. Kristen, for so long, she wouldn't say who had the baby. Then suddenly she says her mom took the baby camping. This is bringing up all sorts of bad

memories for me. Right now I'm thinking about Josh Powell and Susan Cox Powell, where he claimed he took his boys camping at midnight and the mom, Susan, was never seen alive again. Then he killed the boys later on. The camping scenario. So now grandmommy's gone with the baby camping? That's what mommy said next? Right. So she had told us at first and when we spoke with her first that she couldn't tell us who exactly took the child because it was part of the investigation. And then, of course, later she says that she gave her to her mother and that they were at a campground in Mendota, Virginia, which isn't really far. It's about 40, 45 minutes from the sheriff's office in Blountville.

And, of course, police swarmed that campground and looked all over and didn't find anything. Okay. I'm so glad you said that, Kristen Kwan, WCYB. Did you say this campground, how are you saying it? What is it? It's Mendota. It's the community of Mendota. It's actually in Virginia, but we're on the border there on Tennessee and Virginia. I'm very interested in all campgrounds because we're big campers, we're big RVers, the works. So what really struck me, another thing, to Ashley Wilcott, judge, trial lawyer, Anchor Court TV.

Ashley, did you hear mommy say, and if they don't go look for her, I will. I will go out there. Why haven't you already been out there? What are you threatening me? You're going to go try to find your child? Did you hear that? I will go myself. You should have had your rear end, your sorry rear end out there looking for the child already. Did you hear that? Yeah, I completely agree with you. This case flies all over me for so many different reasons. But first of all, clearly she's never had any parental capacity or else she would have known exactly where her daughter was every minute of every day.

Like you said, the second thing is not only did she say, well, then I'll go look if you're not going to. She also starts focusing on you have to understand my mom is a very manipulative person. She's taking no responsibility or interest in her own child. She's blaming everybody else. Good point. Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, joining me out of Beverly Hills. Did you hear what Ashley Wilcott just said? The mom is saying, I don't think they're taking me seriously. And if they will go out there and look for my child, I will. The first thing she should have done as she was calling 911, which she didn't do, she should have been running to her car to get to that campground. And now she's playing a game with me?

Uh-uh. We don't play when there's a missing child, Bethany. This is what perpetrators do. They blame everybody else, and they're entitled. So she's acting as if law enforcement, rescue teams, people are searching for her child, owe her something, that they owe her to find this child. She as a mother is not responsible for her own child. She as a mother does not have to be concerned. She does not have to care. You know, she has no insight into how she's coming across to everybody and they love their children. They're

attached. They say, oh, let me see this. Let me show you this picture. Or, oh, my baby took her first steps yesterday. Or, oh, you know why? I just love holding my baby. You know, there's all these references to the baby. There's no references to baby Evelyn. There's only references to law enforcement and the searchers and rescue teams as if they owe her something. And that is a huge red flag. Again, I want to focus on something that she said. Joseph Scott Morgan, did you hear her threatening to go look for her child herself? Did you hear that?

Yes, I did, Nancy. I certainly did. And I'm amazed. You wouldn't be able to find me if this was my child, because I'd be I'd be I'd be running through heaven and hell to try to find this child. I'd be in total and complete physical exhaustion because I was looking for every stone to overturn to find this baby of mine. I didn't hear this here. Well, what really got off with me is that she's basically toying with the reporters. And I want to go back to Kristen Kwan joining me from WCYB Bristol when she says, if they don't go look for her, I will. It's her duty, her duty to go look for her child. When you were around her or spoke to her or observed her, Kristen Kwan, what is mommy's demeanor?

To me, she just was kind of nonchalant about the whole thing. I mean, we interviewed some people at like a local business because the baby had gone missing. And they had more emotion for this lost child than she did. Can you describe that for me, Kristen? Because guys with me, Kristen Kwan is intimately familiar with this case. She's there on the scene. Tell me what you mean by that, because I'm imagining all sorts of, you know, you're talking to the local furniture salesman or the 7-Eleven guy or whoever. Tell me when you say the mom seemed nonchalant, give me details. What do you mean by that?

Don't leave it up to my imagination. Well, I mean, when you listen to her interview, you can hear she isn't really crying. She doesn't just seem upset. It was almost like she was loving the TV attention that she was getting versus these business, you know, we would go to these business owners who were donating all their profits to helping find Evelyn. And they're in tears, just so upset about the fact that this little baby has gone missing. And we didn't really see that a lot from Maggie, from the mother, Megan. You know, after my fiance was killed and I became a prosecutor,

I thought I'd never have children or marry. And I had always dreamed of having a little girl. I had always dreamed of having a little girl. I actually dreamed I would have a little girl. And when I had Lucy and, of course, my joy, John David, I call him my joy and her my delight. I couldn't believe how blessed I was. I'm looking at this picture, and I had all sorts of little T-shirts like that for the twins, and I'm looking at her now, and it's very difficult for me to play for you.

From our friends at WJHL News Channel 11, Ashley Sharp, listen. The Sullivan County judge increased Megan Boswell's bond from $25,000 to $150,000. Now, this follows last week's discovery of human remains believed to be those of the missing child, Evelyn, on family property. A TBI special agent testified in court today clarifying that investigators found the body of a child matching Evelyn's age, description, and last known outfit at the property on Muddy Creek Road in Blountville. He believes the last known sighting of Evelyn to be December 26th. The agent also testified multiple items were found at the scene belonging to a child. There was various child clothing, diapers, toys,

I think I believe it would belong to a child. There was a lot of stuff that was found on the property that would belong to a child. The body of baby Evelyn was found surrounded by toys. What we are learning is that the baby's body was found at an outbuilding on property, I believe, was owned by relatives of mommy. At first, the identification of the baby was made by its clothing, because it matched the clothing of a description given by the mother. I'm assuming that would have been the hot pink track outfit.

Take a listen now to WCYB News reporter Olivia Bailey. New information related to this case against Megan Boswell and the disappearance and possible findings of Evelyn Boswell's body. Now, we did know on Friday that the authorities were there as part of a search. Not a whole lot of information clear about what led to that search, but we do know that some new information came in to authorities that led them there on Friday night. But we are learning new information out of these court documents that came out of Megan Boswell's bond hearing yesterday.

And in these documents, they tell a story that the child's body was located by law enforcement in an outbuilding on that property. That's at the 500 block of Muddy Creek Road. They also say the clothing description matched that of what Megan Bonkwell gave authorities. We're also learning a little bit more about why that bond increased. They're saying that she is a flight risk. And even in the documents, the state argues that she would pose a substantial risk of harm to the community should she be released. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Kristen Kwan, I'll be right back with you, but I want to go to Joseph Scott Morgan. Joseph Scott, I've seen a lot of dead bodies, a lot of autopsies, a lot of crime scenes.

There's, I can't put the right name to it, the right words to it when you have a child murder victim. But I think about the first time I ever bathed the twins. We were in the hospital because they were in NICU for a really long time. And the first bath was in the NICU metal sink. And it was shallow. It was an oval. And I laid down fresh towels and held their head so their head didn't touch the sink. And just trickled water, warm water over them. And it would go down and make the towels warm under them. Because I didn't want them to be shocked by the water. Well, they loved it, of course, but I was just thinking about how I was so worried

about hurting their little arms and legs, and would the soap dry their skin out? And this baby has been found out in an outhouse, as they're calling it, on abandoned property in the cold with all her toys and her diapers and clothes just strewn around her. Just thrown in there. It's just almost too much to take in, Joe Scott. It is, Nancy. It's almost, you know, you look at it and, you know, I echo your thoughts here because you look at it and you, you know, as an investigator, you try to be very clinical as best you can when you're at a scene and when you're in an autopsy room. But there's still that thing that pricks your heart. When you see all that surrounds, surrounds a victim.

And it's almost like with this little baby, and because she is a baby, has been discarded like a piece of garbage, just like the diapers, just like the clothing, just like the toys, and has been left all alone in this environment. unfortunately a lot about the nature of the person that did this because it goes to this idea of callousness that you could take this fragile little creature and that you could do this it points in a specific investigative direction and for the police officers that are at that scene the investigators that are having to deal with this they have to be able to separate their emotions from it and take down the facts. Because the reality is, is that you want to bring the person to justice that did this. You know, to Kristen Kwan, WCYB Bristol, tell me about the discovery of baby Ellen Boswell's body. Yeah, it happened late one evening. We had kind of heard a tip, basically, that police were at that house and on that property.

Whose property is it? Is it the grandfather's? It is. It's the grandfather's property. And I believe that that's also where she claims that she resides. So as far as her court documents go, that's where she says she lives that's significant uh christian kwan because i mean what unknown part when some mysterious uh child abductor in a raincoat and uh covering his face would take the child and then go circle back to the home and and hide the body on the home i mean it it limits who your pool of who you think is the killer, that the body is right there on the family property. And coincidentally, this grandfather is the one that called, I think, isn't the grandfather that first reported her missing? Yes, that's correct.

OK, I got off track. You go back to discovery of the body. Yeah. So that night, you know, we received a tip and we went out there and you could see police, of course, all over. And they actually held a press conference that night to say that they believe that they found human remains that they believe belong to Evelyn. And then they also, the Amber Alert was taken down on that day. I can only imagine the scene. When they're saying she was found in an outhouse. What kind of a structure was it, Kristen? So to me, it looks kind of like a typical shed that you would buy to put in your backyard to store lawnmowers and things of that nature.

Was it wooden looking or a metal pod? What was it? Yeah, it's probably metal. And then it has a door door kind of like a garage that you would lift up is it made to look like wood yes it's painted so it's kind of really hard to tell it's gotcha i i've seen those i've seen those they look like a little gosh it almost looks like a child's toy farm house like a playhouse kind of. It's painted, but I suspect that it is metal to withstand the elements. You know, it says a lot to Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining me out of Beverly

Hills, that the scene is staged. When you have a, and I mean by that, the toys, the diapers, the clothing thrown all around the baby or laid around her, positioned around her, it was staged. A random killer would not do that. They do the deed, they leave. They want to get away from the scene. Someone that is intimately familiar with the victim will cover the face, hide the body, secret it away, or stage it with flowers or toys around it. A random killer doesn't take time to do that, Dr. Bethany. What does this say to you? See, Nancy, I see it differently. I don't see it as being staged. I see it as the perpetrator threw away the clothes, the diapers, the toys, along with the baby.

You and I covered a story many years ago, and I don't remember the name of the mother, but the child went missing, the investigators went to the home, and all the baby toys and pictures were already in the trash can outside the house. And the sonograms. The sonograms. And the sonograms. I remember it very well. It was out of Florida.

Right. So whoever discarded baby Evelyn discarded all of her belongings as well. I don't see it as being staged. I see it as a dumping ground for everything that reminded the perpetrator about this baby. When this baby came into the world, she was unwanted. Unlike your two babies who were wanted, beloved, taken care of, this baby was unwanted from the beginning. I think that the perpetrator was already fantasizing about getting rid of her and her belongings and had already prepared a dumping ground. And interestingly enough, the dumping ground, the disposal site for the baby and the baby's belongings was on the very property of the person who reported her missing, the grandfather.

What does that say about the relationship between the perpetrator and the grandfather? You know, here, you can have her. I'm going to dump her on your property. You can have all of her toys and goods too. This is what I know. Mommy, Evelyn's mother is sitting behind bars right now for the death of her child. But that is cold comfort for the people that love baby Evelyn. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off. Goodbye, friend.

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