Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - WISCONSIN DAD OF 3 FAKES DEATH TO SNUGGLE UP WITH UZBEKISTAN LOVER, SENTENCED

Episode Date: September 20, 2025

On the morning of August 12, Ryan Borgwardt’s wife contacted authorities, reporting that her husband hadn’t returned from a kayaking trip on Green Lake the previous night and wasn’t answering his phone. The Green Lake County Sheriff’s Office began a search around 5:32 p.m., focusing on Borgwardt’s last known location at Green Lake. Deputies soon located his vehicle and trailer parked near Dodge Memorial Park. About an hour later, authorities found a capsized kayak in the western part of the lake, where the water is approximately 220 feet deep. They discovered the life jacket still attached to the kayak, and volunteers joined deputies in the search for Borgwardt. Twenty-four hours into the search, crews deployed a drone and boats to perform a grid search of the lake. As efforts continued, Sheriff Mark Podoll announced that they were focusing on the lake’s deepest areas, covering hundreds of acres with the assistance of Bruce’s Legacy, a nonprofit specializing in search and recovery. The sheriff indicated they were now searching for a body, believing Borgwardt drowned in the lake. Three cadaver dogs and a dive team were brought in to assist with recovery efforts. Sheriff Podoll and his team then shifted their focus to reexamine the investigation from the beginning. They soon discovered that Canadian law enforcement had run Borgwardt’s name on August 13. Although Borgwardt’s passport was initially found at his home, investigators learned he had been issued a new passport on May 22 after reporting the original one lost. Borgwardt’s wife, Emily, provided his laptop for investigation. A digital forensic analysis revealed that Borgwardt had replaced the hard drive and cleared all browser history the day he disappeared. Investigators believe he is now in Europe. Further findings showed Borgwardt transferred funds to a foreign bank, changed his email address, and had been communicating with a woman from Uzbekistan before his disappearance. The investigation also revealed that he had taken out a $375,000 life insurance policy seven months before vanishing and had purchased airline cards. Sheriff Podoll stated, after all they had uncovered, that Borgwardt is “not in our lake.” Note: After our Crime Stories broadcast, the Green Lake County Sheriff's Office posted this message on its Facebook page, "We do not believe the Tick Tock video is Ryan. We are in contact with the interviewer. Thank you to all for alerting us of his existence. We have verified this is not Ryan by contacting people who know Ryan."  Borgwardt returned to the US and was charged. He how learns his fate.   Joining Nancy Grace today:  Gregory Morse - Partner at the law firm of King Morse, PLLC. Current CJA counsel (Southern District of Florida), Former West Palm Beach Public Defender's Office. Author: "The Untested," website: kingmorselaw.com Keith Cormican - Underwater Search and Recovery Expert. Director, Bruce's Legacy. Searched for 23 days for Ryan in Green Lake. Dr. John Delatorre –  Licensed Psychologist and Mediator (specializing in forensic psychology); Psychological Consultant to Project Absentis: a nonprofit organization that searches for missing persons; Twitter, IG, and TikTok – @drjohndelatorre Barry Golden – Former Senior Inspector for the U.S. Marshals Service, Owner of Golden Consulting and Investigations Baylee Boomhower  - Mental Health Content Creator; TikTok: @authenticalpha/Instagram:@authenticalphaco/ Instagram: bayleeboomhower/; YouTube: @authenticalpha   Alexis Tereszcuk - CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A very much married Wisconsin dad tries to fake his own death in an elaborate kayak accident hoax. In order to flee to Eastern Europe, to be with a woman he meets on line. Oh, my stars. To my husband, David. If you want to be with someone else, don't spend all the money flying to Eastern Europe and hooking up with some big ho. All right? Just leave. Okay, but do not spend the children's college fund to do it. You can go. You're free. I may not be happy about it, but for Pete's sake, don't mess with the money. Oh, dear Lord in heaven. That's right,

Ryan Borgwart carried out an elaborate stunt to be with a mistress in the country of Georgia in Eastern Europe. Now he's home. He pled no contest because he didn't have the backbone to say guilty to the charge of obstruction. And now, He learns his fate. And let me just say up front, it's not harsh enough. I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime stories. I want to thank you for being with us.

First of all, let's have a little refresher course on what Ryan Borgwart did. I can't believe this guy. This is what happened. On August 12, 2024, at 5.32 p.m., our office received a call from the Dutch. county sheriff's office in reference to a subject that did not return home that evening and the last known location he was was green lake deputies headed that way and checked areas around the lake and found Ryan's vehicle along with his trailer parked in the area of Dodge Memorial part. We immediately deployed our boat. And at 631, two of our deputies found a capsized kayak

in the western part of the lake in the area of 220 foot depth of water. Where is the missing father of three? And we thought, dutiful and loving husband. His wife is refusing to comment until she knows the truth about Ryan Borgwart, but this is not about her. This is about him. She is left with paying the house payment, taking care of the children, and trying to move forward while they ask, where's daddy? But my question is, where is Ryan Borgwart? Joining me an all-star panel to make sense of what we know right now, but listen to this. With the phone and with Ryan, it was around 1045, and when we first got it, it was around 6 o'clock the next morning. I immediately called my partners through the DNR and requested votes.

My second call was to Bruce's Legacy. Bruce's Legacy has helped us in the past with drownings that we've had on our lake. And the reason why is because of the depth of our lake. Our lake is 238 feet, the largest inland lake in Wisconsin. What a massive search. Before I go to Keith O'Cormacken, the underwater search recovery expert and director of Bruce's Legacy, who searched for 23 days. Divers put in danger to find the missing dad.

Hold tight, Keith Corwin, confers to Alexis Tereschuk joining us. Crime Online.com investigative reporter. Alexis, I want to start with dad kayaking alone on the river. Tell me about that. So he goes off on a boys trip, a solo trip while his wife stays home and takes care of the three children. Is that, am I understanding that correctly? It's exactly right. work goes off. He goes to this lake. It is a pretty big lake and and it is the actual deepest

lake inland in Wisconsin. And so he goes off. Oh, hold on, Alexis, Alexis, I looked it up. I researched the lake. I'm glad you said that is 7,340 acres and 27 miles of shore and goes nearly 240 feet deep. You're right. Go ahead. And it's summer. It's summer. It's, It's August. So it's Wisconsin. For folks, Wisconsin's pretty far north. It stays light much later there. So he goes for an evening kayak. Wife is not suspicious at all. This is something he does. He's outdoorsy. He likes kayak. And they live near this lake. It's part of their family life. So he goes kayaking. And at 10 o'clock, about 10.45 at night, he sends his wife a text. And he says, hey, I'm about to head home now. And that is the last thing that anyone heard from him. Wow. So he goes kayaking, and he's never heard from again. Take a listen to what the Green Lake County Sheriff, Mark Padale says.

We assembled around 8.30 that Monday morning to get our plan in place as to what we were going to do. As you can see in the screen behind me shows the location of data guides that guided our search. There was a number of pings that we got from the phone that Ryan had contact with his wife. And the last one, where it shows you on there, it says last ping. That was one where he told her that he was going to be turning around and heading towards shore soon. We then got another ping around 1150-ish. and that was just the last pin that we got on the phone. 1150-ish at night, I take it, Alexis Torres-Chuck.

Yes, it was at night. It was that evening. So there was, he said the text message to his wife. He says, I'm heading back to shore, meaning I'm on the lake. I'm going to head back to shore. Then I'll drive home. And then they get one more ping right on the area of the lake where he had been kayaking, where the first text message was sent from.

And that is it. Nothing else from this phone. And when is daddy reported missing? That night, she, she panics, his wife panics that night. But so let's talk with midnight the next day. She calls the police. They immediately, first thing in the morning, they send somebody, they send a team out to the lake to look for him. This isn't, at the time, they just thought perhaps he's drowned in lots of accidents can happen on the water.

So the police immediately go out to search. He is a dad of three. He is missing. The wife calls. She has no idea of anything that would be wrong with him and is panicked about it. Okay, so the last p.ing is at 11.50 at night, p.m. She reports him missing. You said two different things, that night and the following morning.

When did she report him missing? Simply put. That night. So mom immediately reports him missing and the search is on. Straight out to Keith Cormacken joining us, Underwater Search Recovery Expert, Director Bruce's Legacy, search for 23 days in dangerous water for Borgwart. Explain to me, Keith, how sidescan sonar or sonar actually works.

Well, our sonar is a high, you know, very sophisticated, four-foot-long torpedo. I have extra weight on it, so it weighs a total of 100 pounds that is, needs to be, towed on a cable and it needs to be towed approximately 10 feet off the bottom. That generates sonar images of absolutely everything on the bottom. We can see, you know, rock formations, we can see tree benches and just very great detail. So we cover an area of about 100 feet on each side of the boat and we can't see directly underneath the towfish and we have to overlap so it does take some time. the, yeah, we are able to watch it on a screen in the boat and mark targets and it gives

us exact weight points of the location of targets and such. Once we locate any targets of Avengers and we put their underwater robot down, it has lights cameras, recording capabilities and its own sonar to drive up to these targets and take a look at them and see if it's what we're looking for or not. Another question, Keith Cormacken, when you are out on this dark water, Could you explain how when you're looking at sonar and everybody think of fish sonar? A lot of people use it when they're out fishing and you see something. You can't really tell exactly what it is. Keith Cormacan, how do you tell a person from debris such as, you know, a tree branch or some other form of debris?

Well, that's the part that takes a lot of practice. You know, there's a lot of images we get of bodies that are what I call no-brainers. You know, they're easy to identify, but the ones that make me, you know, pretty popular is the ones that those, those, you know, the tougher images, they may be lying, you know, in an in and around a log, weeds, debris, so they kind of blend in with the surrounding areas. So, you know, I've had, I don't know, I've done this a lot. I spend a lot of time every year doing it. So I've kind of gained a, I don't know, a knack you might say, to be able to identify bodies, even in the hardest, you know, way to identify them. So I've been very fortunate. The question, what is your response?

How do you feel about a 23-day search when now we think this guy may be snugged up with a lover in Uzbekistan? Well, my first initial response when I first heard it about it is, you know, I've, honestly, my first response was I was relieved because I had been second guessing my, my capabilities for several days, couldn't figure out, you know, why I could not find this guy. We covered this lake more thorough than I've ever covered the lake. The second reaction was, you know, I was there when the sheriff hit the family with a bombshell of the new information, and I seen the response to the family, and it was pretty horrifying news for them to see, you know, the reaction was, you know, was very tough. So, you know, I felt a lot of remorse for them and what they're going to be faced with. So that's very tough. You know, yeah, I'm not happy with what he did, and we encountered a lot of expenses with some damage to our equipment. So, yeah, I'm not happy with what he did.

Prices he made, you know, people don't realize all the expenses and in the anguish that we require. How much expenses? How much do you think you're out? Well, I know for sure the first two weeks I spent about $10,000. some in repairs and then I had to replace one of my piece of the equipment of $4,500. So, so yeah, I had a tough first two weeks. And, you know, and then I damaged a couple props because of the shallow water in some areas. So the sheriff's apartment was very good about, you know, taking care of that.

In which, in turn, one of the local businesses actually donated a couple props. So the local community, it was just. Just amazing down there. An interesting piece of evidence is found on the lake. Listen. There was some boaters out there in one boat with two boats, two fishermen on were casting along the bottom of the lake, and they come up with a fishing rod. That fishing rod was taken as evidence, photographed, and was identified by the wife of the victim. So we continue to search, figuring that could have been a point of interest.

And at 3.30th, 345 that same day, Tuesday, we found, someone called and said that they found a tackle box. The stuff inside that tackle box had a wallet and keys and a license belonging to Ryan. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace And what is the punishment for the married Wisconsin dad who faked his own death in an elaborate scheme just to go be with his ho, excuse me, mistress in another country? He is getting the same amount of time. 89 days that

LA law enforcement spent searching for him most of that time his wife distraught okay what happened search and rescue organizations the sheriff's office and volunteers

scour Wisconsin's Green Lake but there's no sign of the missing father where is Ryan Borg Wart. Is he dead? Did he drown? Is he missing somehow? Or is he snugged up with his lover in Uzbekistan? Those are the questions right now in joining me and all-star panel to make sense of what we know. Now we understand cadaver dogs are brought out on the water. A massive body of water

7,340 acres, 27 miles of shore, 237 feet deep. Look at that. The dangers to the divers immense. Now dangers to the cadaver dogs. And isn't it true to Barry Golden, former U.S. Marshal, now PI, Barry cadaver dogs are specially trained to pick up a scent in water. And it's very difficult for the dog in that type of water, 237 feet deep, but dogs can pick up a scent in water. Yes, and it's very taxing on these dogs. And, you know, if it's a quick investigation or a quick search, these dogs may pick up something or a body or a scent of a body or something like that

really quick. But when this goes on and on and on, these dogs get stressed out and they get tiring and they're exhausted after a while. So sometimes they have to use two and three dogs and work them in shifts to keep on going because this is a huge lake. So it's a big undergoing to get these dogs out there. Sometimes every department doesn't have a cadaver dog and they have to go to other departments to borrow those dogs. Other canine dogs always come in and help out because these dogs get very exhausted, searching and searching and walking through these woods. And then a surprise.

Keith from Bruce's legacy. And he said to me, he said, Sheriff, he said, I've done a lot of searching. And I can't find him. He also told me that, Sheriff, don't worry. I'm not giving up. He called the company and was asking for another piece of equipment, a top-notch sonar, and it was a new one, but it's going to be a couple weeks out. And we said we've got to go a different direction.

And they did. The direction we went was offline, and we found out, that his name was run on August 13th. Wow, yeah. That was something we didn't expect. That's the Green Lake County Sheriff Mark Podell speaking to us.

You know, I've got to clarify, Alexis Tereschuk, joining us, CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter. Sheriff says his name was run August 13. Now, remember, He has his water mishap on August 11. What did the sheriff mean by that?

His name was run. Ryan Borgwart's name was run. What it happened was is that his passport was used in Canada. So at the border crossing, it was discovered. They put his name, I suppose, into a national database with his passport information. And it showed up as him going into Canada the next, or two days later. So it went missing on August 11th, people started searching. After a 23-day search, putting lives at risk, dogs at risk.

I can't tell you, and I've been on a lot of deep dives, literally deep dives in dark water all across the world, it can be very dangerous. Think about it. But aside from that, what about his wife and his children at? home. To Bailey, excuse me, sorry Bailey, to Dr. John Deletori, licensed psychologist, specializing in forensic psychology. You can find him at ResolutionfCS.com. Dr. Deletori, how can you allow your wife, your spouse, and your children to think you're dead while your passport lets you enter Canada? Yeah, listen. We're going to talk about this guy, and I think we're going to come up with some ideas that this is not really someone who is capable of having a difficult conversation.

This is a guy who's easily manipulated, right? He's constantly wanting attention, but he's not getting the attention that he won't. You know, let me use a legal phrase on you, Deletory. What the hell are you talking about? He is easily manipulated? Jackie, have I gone insane? Is this a bad dream? No, this is real.

Deletory, what are you saying? He's easily manipulated. I ask you about his wife and his children. And all of those people, the divers, the men and women out, they're risking their lives at 240 feet below the surface trying to find this POC. He doesn't care about them. He cares about some. And you tell me, he's manipulated? He cares about something other than them.

He cares about things other than his family. He doesn't care that he put an entire community at risk. He doesn't care about anything about that. Like he's soon to be lover in Uzbekistan. Yes. Then why are you telling me he's easily manipulated? My rear end. Because, I mean, could he be talking to someone in Uzbekistan?

I mean, sure, but he's most likely talking to some man in Southeast Asia who's convinced him to start donating all kinds of money that he had. Okay, so control yourself. Okay. Delatory. You're worried that he could be talking to a guy in his underwear in New Jersey? I'm not worried. I'm not a haughty from his back to stand. That's what you're focused on?

I'm not worried about. Why are you even talking about that? That's not what I asked you. But I'm not worried about what he's doing. I asked you, how could you let your wife and children think you're dead? I've lived through my fiance's murder. I know what it feels like to think he's dead. And every time my husband is late or he doesn't land on time, I think, is he dead?

That's what happens. He doesn't love him. That's what this woman is probably still going through. He doesn't love his wife or his children anymore. He doesn't love them anymore at all. He doesn't care about what they're feeling. Did he ever? Did he ever?

Probably at some point, but certainly not now. You know, I just, Dr. Deletori, I know you have a lot of degrees and you are renowned psychologist and mediator, but I don't know what to think about you right now. I ask you about how could you let your wife and children think you're dead? all this time when you're shacked up with a haughty in Uzbekistan or so we think and you talk to me about how he's manipulated by some naked guy online and whatever you that that I don't care I care about what he's done to his wife and family if in fact this is true you know what control and put him in the corner I'm going to give him a few minutes to think about what he

has said Gregory Morse joining me, high-profile lawyer, with King and Morse, current CGA Council Southern District of Florida, former public defender and author of The Untested on Amazon. You can find them at kingmorslaw.com. Gregory, what about it? Is this a crime? If it's true? Well, no, it's not a crime. If it's true, people lie to their spouses all the time. People tell their spouses or their children, they're going to the corner store and they never come home. And even if it is a crime, Nancy, it doesn't really matter because we don't have an extradition treaty with Uzbekistan if that's in fact where he is. Maybe there could be a crime with this passport application, but how do you approve he didn't lose his passport? That's not an thing to prove. And that's a low-grade felony anyway. So even if we had an extradition treaty with Uzbekistan, the government probably wouldn't spend their time to get him back. Maybe the moral police should be looking for him, but the police police should stop wasting their time. And he didn't do anything illegal as far as I could tell, except maybe the passport thing. And even that...

I don't know who you're referring to as the moral police, I guess me. I'm not the church lady. But But haven't you heard about prosecutions of people that fake their disappearance while the government racks up thousands and thousands of dollars while they're all out searching for the missing person? Well, he faked his disappearance to his wife. And then he left. She called the police and said he was missing. She called the police and did these things. So you're transferring that conduct to him. Not her fault, but she took the acts that could lead down the path of criminal.

culpability. Joining me right now is a very special guest. Billy Boomhauer, mental health content creator. You can find her on TikTok, Authentic Alpha, on Insta, Authentic Alpha

CEO. Billy Boomhauer, before I ask you any questions, I've just got to show this. Why? Can you advice on anything? I go to Uzbekistan. or stay here?

Say that one more time? Do I go to Uzbekistan or stay here? Do you have family there? No. Why do you want to go? To meet a woman. To meet a woman. And it was as back...

Uzbekistan. He was Pakistan. You don't like American women? Oh, they're familiar. They're familiar. Is that a bad thing? I guess he wants some strange as some of my defendants have said.

Okay, that's Bailey Boomhauer, who's with us right now. Talking to a guy that looks a lot like Bogwart. Okay, I didn't take his fingerprint or get his DNA, bucklewob, but that looks like Bogwart to me. Is it, wait, excuse me, but that looks like Borgwart to me. Joining me, Billy Boomhauer, Billy, what prompted you? to ask advice from the Borgwart look-alike? I was just doing my advice series, and then this man came up on his bike,

and then started asking all those questions. And he, after, like, looking into more, it looks like it could be Ryan. Take a listen to more of Billy Boomhauer's interview with a man we believe to be missing dad, Ryan Borgwart. So you've given up on meeting someone here? No, I'm married. Oh.

Yeah. But you want to find someone else? Empty nest. I'm not sure. That's why I'm asking you. Wait, empty nest? What do you mean? Empty nest. My kids are out of the house now. So you want to find, like, adopt a child? No, no.

I want to find a companion that I'm content with. And more. I think that requires you to divorce someone first. Well, maybe. Or is she okay with that? That's a good question. It means to be seen. Have you guys had a conversation about that?

Mm-hmm. So would it be like a throppel or something? No. Oh, you would, you guys would get a divorce possibly? Possibly, yeah. Billy, did you ever imagine that, that, I guess, beach side video you took would be part of a missing person's case? I had no clue, and then it wasn't until recently that people started tagging me

and, like, tagging all these news channels and commenting that they think it was Ryan. Wow. Let's see a picture of Borgwart and compare. Okay. Yeah. I think we've got some more. you be the judge is she talking to this

guy? That's an older picture he has less hair than he did in that most recent picture okay dokey all right let's take a listen to more of Billy Boomhauer's interview with who we believe to be Ryan Borgward

Do you just feel like there's no love left between you guys diminished finished well i think you guys should definitely have that discussion and see where things are going between you two before you leave the country yeah um but yeah i would i think you guys should sort out where your marriage is right now i think that's the first thing to do i'm going to just go out on a limb and go back to dr john deletory licensed psychologist Dr. Deloey, you earlier, you were talking about how he, Borgwart, was manipulated online.

You do hear what he is saying to B.L.E. Boomhauer, right? He has, quote, diminished love for his wife after she's given birth to three of his children and taking care of them and him. And now he's like, It's diminished. Did you hear that? I did hear that, yeah. Still think he's being manipulated? Yeah. Again, I do still think he's being manipulated. I do think he's being told that whatever love he feels isn't there anymore.

And I'm sure that he's being exploited. And I'm sure, I mean, gift cards, right? We saw the list of things that the police had said that were part of this investigation airline gift cards. I mean, the only thing missing is cryptocurrency. I mean, come on. $350,000 life insurance policy, this guy is soft. This guy doesn't want to have a difficult conversation about where his marriage is. He just wants to leave his family.

He doesn't want to have any consequences associated with that. I don't know why you keep trying to take up for him, claiming that he's the one being manipulated. You know what? The only place I'm getting any straight answers right now is from Bailey Boomhauer, who Anna Lark was offering advice. out along the water. Where were you exactly, Bailey?

I was in Pacific Beach, San Diego. Okay. Listen to more of Bailey Boomhauer speaking to, who we believe to be Borgwart. And I think you'll feel less lost and like things are up in the air. Yeah. Six months later.

Yeah, you guys should sort that out. That's the advice. Yes. You need to figure out where you're, what's going on. Why is it not possible? Indecision. Okay, indecision. So because of his indecision, he's led not only his wife and his children, but an entire sheriff's force, divers and dogs on a wild goose chase because he can't decide to stay with his wife and family or leave.

some woman he thinks he's going to meet in Uzbekistan. Okay, more. I feel like indecision is a decision in itself, because if you're even questioning, yeah, what was your name? Twa. Twa? Bailey, nice to meet you. Yeah, talk to your wife, sort it out. I think you guys need to know, be on the same page with what's happening. Ladies, when you run into Mr. Indecision, run for the hills as if you had seen a monster. That's my advice. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The judge also ordered the philandering dad to pay 30 grand to Green Lake County Sheriff's Office

in the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources, because that's about how much they spent trying to find his sorry rear end. I'm looking at him right now. He's not even all that. In fact, he's not even remotely handsome, and he's obviously not smart. So what was the draw to start with? His wife is so cute.

And she's the mother of his children. I mean, plus, she works full time. She's bringing home the money. Oh, and he went for a big ho, excuse me, mistress, Okay, overseas, spending all that money. Ouch. When I said idiot, boy, did I mean idiot. Borgwart had been speaking to this woman in Uzbekistan

before he obtained his new passport and a $375,000 life insurance policy in January. The wife may be wishing she got the money about right now. That said, here's the crime. You got this video. Billy Boomhauer, mental health content creator on TikTok, Authentic Alpha, on Insta, authentic alpha, CO. What was your impression of this guy? It was just such a bizarre encounter.

Just the whole time he kind of was, like, I thought maybe he was on something or I really couldn't tell if he was just, like, joking or if it was real. But then the longer it went on, it just seems like it was a legitimate, like legitimate thing he was asking. But as you could see, I was kind of confused the whole time because it was just such a bizarre encounter. I'm at 1-9-1-9-40- Where's an emergency? I'm at the, I don't know where I am. I'm right here besides the Juana Street at the 7-11. Okay, what's going on? I've got my family and the police on the phone.

I was putting out on the police. And I'm here now. Jennifer, I was kidnapped from Atlanta, Georgia. I don't know. My parents said it's been on the knees. I don't know. And who did it to you? I don't know.

Woman, you were not kidnapped. You faked your own disappearance on the eve of your wedding. Jennifer Wilbank's known as the runaway bride. Do you, hey, I can't wait to get a hold of Gregory Moore's high-profile lawyer on this? Do you hear it going, is this she's really sucking? up snot. Let's listen to some more. About how old? I would say they're, I mean, I would say in their 40s, maybe.

It was medium bill. Yeah. I don't know. A color of hair didn't have. Black. Was it longer short? Short. Do you have any facial hair? No.

What color shirt was in? I wonder when I saw him. Um, he had on a maroon jacket and I don't know what color shirt under it. What color was his pants? Blue jeans. And what kind of vehicle was you driving? It was a blue van. Like a black shirt.

Was it a conversion band or a small mini band? It wasn't a mini band. It was like a paint, like a painter work band. What direction did they leave in? Uh-huh. I have no idea if I don't even know where I am. You know, I could just listen to her 911 call all day long. But to Gregory Morris, she goes so far beyond faking her own kidnap, her own fake

kidnap. She actually describes the suspects. They're Hispanic, according to her. It was all a hoax, Morse, and she was forced to pay tens of thousands of dollars to reimburse the government for her search. Now, you can't order reimbursement. A judge can't do that unless you're convicted of something. Now, you were earlier saying, this isn't a crime? Well, Nancy, it's not exactly.

The big difference here is a person that fakes their own death can't make a false police report and call 911. They're supposed to be dead. That's what we have here. The example you showed, or even the Jesse Smollett case, those people called the police. They committed the crime of filing a false police report. That was able to be charges. But again, here we don't have that. We have a guy who lied to his family.

Not a nice guy, but not a criminal with regard to that aspect. Maybe a civil lawsuit by the local police, they can have at it. They'd probably waste more money and legal fees than they wouldn't collect him. But Borgon Ward didn't commit a crime here. of being this search. He didn't call the police and create a false report. So you're wrong. There is nothing wrong here. He's no crime for this guy. And probably the joke's on him. What do you mean the jokes on him, Morse? Well, I agree with your doctor. I've been a criminal defense lawyer a long, long time and tell

signs of the victim of a scam. So when he shows up to that beautiful woman, he believes he's going to see in Uzbekistan, he's going to see an empty place and he's going to have lost all his money. So while it's horrible for the family, this guy's going to probably suffer for his ridiculous decision to leave his family and be, you know. Okay, hold on, great remorse. While faking one's death in itself may not be illegal, what if it is part of a fraudulent plan like insurance fraud? Remember the $375,000 policy he took out? I do. What about that? Not row. Well, there's nothing wrong with providing for your family, which sounds good.

However, if he caused or knew that someone was going to make the insurance claim, then we start getting into the crime area. It's not a crime to provide for your family, even if you leave them a week later, and lie to them about it. There's no crime there unless someone tries to get the insurance money and claims he's deceased. And if the wife tried to do that now, I would venture she's probably criminally liable. because there's enough evidence to know this guy's probably alive somewhere. A shocking update in a missing kayaker case.

Months after his kayak is found overturned, authorities suspect Ryan Borgwart may be alive and far from home. Barry Golden joining me, former Senior Inspector U.S. Marshal Service, translation they go all over the world finding fugitives. is now owner of Golden Consulting and Investigations at Golden-C-I.com. Barry, I think Gregory Morse, while I don't like what he's saying, I think a lot of what he is saying, is correct. I also agree with him that, unlike many other cases where we hear about the U.S. Marshals tracking down killers all around the world, you know, like Caitlin Armstrong, who murdered a pro biker. over jealousy, like McLeod, who murdered his girlfriend. There's so

many that are brought back to the U.S. for justice. I don't see the U.S. Marshals spending the money to go halfway around the world with Uzbekistan, with whom we don't have any type of treaty, spending all that money

to bring home, basically, a deadbeat dad who lies to his wife and family and costs probably over $100,000 search efforts. Do you think they'll really look for him? Let me throw this at you, Nancy, okay?

You don't think the sheriff's office in Watertown wants to get this guy back on U.S. soil if he is over in Europe? Absolutely, they do. If you look to the right of the sheriff that was standing there at that press conference, that looks like an FBI agent. So how about this?

And I disagree with Greg because you can make this what you want to get this guy back on U.S. soil. So if this guy said that his passport was lost and stolen, then he signed a DS64, which is a passport form that says, I lost or my passport was stolen. And at the bottom of that form, it says all the information on this form is true and accurate under the penalty of perjury. So he may have committed a federal crime by committing a false statement on a government document. So if that is true, the FBI can get a warrant for his arrest. Now you can get a provisional arrest warrant and you can get him back from Uzbekistan or wherever he may be in Europe. I think absolutely why would the FBI be involved if they don't get this guy back and try to get back some restitution because he cost the sheriff's office thousands and thousands, probably north of $100,000 like you just said.

The other thing I'm very golden. Oh wait. Go ahead. There's more? Well, I mean, Watertown is 220 miles from the Canadian border. Okay, you know they ran his name in Canada. Okay, fake your death 101. You don't use your real name, all right? You got to be smarter than a fifth grader, okay? So let's start with that.

Then he gets to Canada. How did he get to Canada? He didn't take an Uber. It's a $220 train ride to Canada. Did he have help? Does somebody know his dirty little secret that's going to keep it a secret? Who knows? But the fact of the matter, he's in Europe.

He might be understand. So I think the sheriff's office works. Working with the FBI, the Office of International Affairs, can get an arrest warrant for making false statements on a government document and get his tail back here to the U.S. I'm sure his wife wants to slap up upside the head and said, what the hell were you thinking? His kids are probably went from being sad to being disgusted at this guy. So I think they do whatever they have. They've already spent enough money, thousands and thousands of dollars trying to recover his body that was obviously not there. They're going to get this guy back.

You think the sheriff's office is just going to say, ah, he's in Europe, he's gone. You know, another case, no. Barry Golden, everything you said is amazing and correct. Billy Boomhauer, who just happened to talk to this guy on the waterfront and get basically a confession from him. Billy Boomhauer, you can find her on Insta at Authentic Alpha C-O. Billy, the last thing any woman needs is Mr. Indecisive. I just want to ask you one more time, what was your sense of this guy? And what do you think about being state's witness number one?

I would say the whole interaction seemed very strange, and it seemed like he already kind of had his mind made up about things. When he was asking me questions, I feel like he, like, visibly did not want to hear what I was saying. He just wanted me to pretty much tell him, like, yes, just go to Uzbekistan and leave your family. And it just seemed also like he just kept smiling to himself. So I feel like he was almost, like, smug in a way, but I feel like it could have just been, like, a confession right before he decided to disappear. The Wisconsin dad, who fakes his own death on a kayaking trip to be with his online Uzbekistan fleeing, gets just 89 days behind bars. Well, he's got a lifetime trying to repair the relationship with his children. And he lost a beautiful, loving, and faithful wife in the deal.

that would be sentenced enough. Again, David, if you want somebody else, run. I'd be mad if you didn't. Go, but don't spend the children's tuition money. Oh. Now he says he, quote, deeply regrets his actions and the, quote, pain I caused my family and friends. You know what?

You had an international flight to think about regret. You could have turned right around when you touched down in Eastern Europe, but did you do that? No. You went and tried to sling up with another woman. I don't feel sorry for you. I don't. He regularly communicated with this woman professing his love and desire to create a new life with her. He reversed his vasectomy. Oh, oh. That was a dirt sandwich. He applied for a replacement passport, claiming the original one was stolen.

Oh. Opened a new bank account, inquired about transferring funds to foreign banks, stealing his children's money. You know what? I don't think 89 days is really enough for this guy.

We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye, friend. Thank you.