Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Young Mom of 3 Never Makes Flight, WHERE IS ANA?

Episode Date: January 17, 2023

The search continues for Ana Walshe. The young mom of three was supposed to have commuted to Washington, D.C., for her new job. Walshe works in real estate. She never made it. In fact, it appears she never even got on the flight. Her husband, Brian Walshe, reported her missing three days after Ana Walshe's boss filed a missing persons report.  Police searched the family home and found blood and tools in the basement. Brian Walshe, who was already wearing an ankle monitor after an arrest for art fraud, was arrested again and charged with hindering the police investigation. Police also found that Brian Walshe bought $450 of cleaning supplies from a nearby Home Depot store the day after Ana Walshe was supposed to be on the DC flight.  Now late-breaking, Brian Walshe has now been charged with murder.  Joining Nancy Grace today:  Philip Holloway- Lawyer and Founder of the Holloway Law Group in Cobb County, GA, Radio host and legal analyst for WSB Radio in Atlanta, Host of “Sworn," a true crime podcast; Twitter: @PhilHollowayEsq,  Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst (Beverly Hills, CA); New Netflix show: 'Bling Empire' (Beverly Hills), @DrBethanyLive Ross Gardner- Forensic Consultant, Instructor and Author of “Bloodstain Pattern Analysis With an Introduction to Crime Scene Reconstruction 3rd Ed” and “Practical Crime Scene Processing and Investigation 3rd Ed” Dana Kennedy -Senior Reporter, New York Post; Twitter/Instagram: @DanaKennedyLive, Facebook: "Dana.Kennedy"  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. The picture-perfect marriage, the beautiful living environment, three gorgeous little boys. What happened to Anna? A 39 year old mom seemingly went to the airport for a business trip, a quick trip from Boston to DC, but apparently never made it to the airport and from that point vanishes into thin air. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 111. What the hey? Take a listen to our friends at WPRI. New tonight, police are asking the public to help them find a Cohasset, Massachusetts mother of three who vanished without a trace on New Year's Day. 39-year-old Anna Walsh left her home early Sunday morning.

She was supposed to take a flight from Logan to D.C. where she works during the week, but there's no record of her ever boarding a flight. Police say there's been reports that she took a rideshare, but investigators haven't been able to confirm that. There's also been no electronic footprint of her in five days. Okay, all this starts in Cohasset in Norfolk County, Massachusetts. With me, an all-star panel to make sense of what we know right now. Before I introduce them all, I want to go to a special guest, Dana Kennedy, senior reporter with my favorite newspaper, the New York Post. Dana, thank you for being with us. This just is, it's really hard for me to believe from everything I know about Anna Walsh

that she would leave her three little boys alone. I mean, have you looked at photos of her? There's not really a lot of photos of her and her family, but she always seems so connected to the children. She did seem connected to the children in Nancy. At the same time, I felt it was a little bit strange. She got this new job in Washington, D.C., and she had like a small apartment. Okay, whoa, whoa, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Dana Kennedy, you happen to have a lot of information, and you're like the fire hydrant of news. It just

comes out so fast. I've got to, you know, I like to make flow charts, right? And I can't really write that quickly. Now, hold on. New job. What was new job? Her new job was as a real estate executive with a Washington, D.C. based firm. Hold on. You know what?

I knew she was in real estate and that she's fairly successful, but I didn't know it was a new job. Hmm. Now, let me think that through. So she's living in Cohasset, and the job, is it based in D.C.? Or does she just have to go there occasionally? It's based in D.C. Ugh.

Okay. That's tough. Even though that's not a long trip, Dana, you're familiar with the, I call it the second LaGuardia, where there is an airport that just does shuttles. They do from LaGuardia, New York to D.C. Right. They used to do one from LaGuardia to Boston. It's really quick. And the only flights leaving the Marine Terminal, as it was called, are just those couple of few cities.

And it's like a hop, jump and a skip. So is that true from Cohasset? I guess you take the Boston Airport to DC. How far is that of a flight? It's only about an hour. I mean, I actually come from Massachusetts and one of the towns involved is my hometown in this case it's really only an hour flight but it's at least an hour from Cohasset to Logan Airport yep and you know once you get to Washington DC it's you know you have to get into the city so it's a hot jump but it still takes time you know that's so true about every flight every trip you think oh it's just an hour flight but by the time you leave early to

get to the airport an hour or two early so you know in case there are lines by the time it's all said and done it's like four or five hours no matter how you slice the bread at least i'm just thinking about her so now her new job is based in dc would she go for the whole week yes well who was taking care of the boys while she's gone for the week? The husband. That's a big stress on a marriage and a family. Leaving, if I, you're going to laugh, Dana. I swear, if I

go one night, and I don't think I'm the most critical person in the family, but when I'm gone, one night, I come home, the whole house looks like bears have been living there. I look in the children's backpacks and they're full of like trash. I ask what they have for supper

as if I didn't know it's going to be pizza. That's no vegetables, Dana. At all. Okay, well, apparently they had it worked out. So she leaves the house that morning? Well, we don't know. That's what he said. Okay, that's what the hubby says. Tell me about the house that morning? Well, we don't know.

That's what he said. Okay, that's what the hubby says. Tell me about Cohasset where they lived. Cohasset is a really pretty high-end seaside town, pretty posh, and they were living in a rental because the house they'd had before actually burned down.

Now, hadn't they already moved out of it when it caught on fire? Yes. And some other people were living there. That's just another wrinkle in this case. So we've got this gorgeous, and I mean gorgeous, 39-year-old mom, Anna Walsh, with three boys ages two, four, and six. She just takes a new real estate job, but she has to travel to get there. What was her job before that, Dana? She was basically in hospitality, Nancy. She started off really low level, almost as a cleaning lady, according to some of my sources. However, she graduated pretty quickly to hotels, like hotels in Western Massachusetts and around that area. Can I tell you something? Everybody on the panel and Dr.

Bethany Marshall is going to love this. Also with me, in addition to Dana Kennedy, senior reporter with New York Post. And it's a real honor to have you, Dana. Dr. Bethany Marshall joining me, psychoanalyst out of Beverly Hills at DrBethanyMarshall.com and star of Bling Empire on Netflix. Dr. Bethany, I tracked down a friend of Anna's.

And this is how he met her. He and his son would often visit the grandmother, his mother, in Boston. And at that time, Anna, for years, was working at a high-end hotel in Boston. And that is where Frank and his son, Henry, would always stay. And Anna would handle their reservation and whatever they needed while they were there. And she took a particular liking to Henry, the little boy, the son. And she would always give him special treats and recommend things for them to do in Boston when they weren't with the mother, Miss Heller. And over the years, they became really good friends. And she would go out of her way to do things for Frank, who's a single dad, trying to take

care of his son. And she really made a huge impact, not only on him and his son, but other people in the hotel too. And that really gave me an insight into her after many, many discussions with Frank about her because she didn't know them and she didn't know the little boy, but went out of her way above and beyond any duty at the hotel just to be genuinely kind and welcoming and sincere to people she didn't even know Dr. Bethany. You know Nancy this is so profound what you're sharing because she started in 2015 as a recent immigrant as Dana said, cleaning rooms. And she advanced quickly, which tells me that she's a very hard worker. But hard work did not get in the way of wanting to help others.

It tells me that this is a woman who is capable of forming attachments. And that's very important for this story because it means this is not a mother who just took off, who was unattached to her children, or who was unattached to her husband. In fact, going to D.C. for work may have actually been a sacrifice to be away from her family. So this woman is beloved. She cares. She's altruistic. She has family and friends around her.

She forms long, long, long-term relationships. Someone like this does not just get in the car and drive away from their family, right? They don't just find another lover and, you know, leave it all. Like we see with some mothers who are not even bonded with their children, so they create a new life in secret. This is not Anna Walsh. Anna Walsh cared. Anna Walsh. Anna Walsh cared. Anna Walsh was attached. Anna Walsh was firmly ensconced in a community and in her relationship. So what do we know about the morning she

apparently got a ride share of some sort, Uber or Lyft, to the airport for a trip to D.C.? Now, one thing I can tell you is it's on January 1 when most people are off. Take a listen now to our friends at WUSA. Anna Walsh never made it to her home in northwest D.C. last Sunday, according to Massachusetts authorities. It's not normal that she's missing. So, you know, we automatically feel that she's in danger by the mere fact that she's missing. A relative told Cohasset Police that the 39-year-old was seen leaving her Massachusetts home around 4 a.m. on January 1st to take a rideshare to Logan Airport in Boston. She was presumably going to catch a flight to Reagan National Airport for a work emergency.

Investigators say her husband was asleep when she left. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Straight back to Dana Kennedy joining me, senior reporter, New York Post. On New Year's Eve, December 31, is this correct that she had a dinner with friends? Yes, they had a dinner with one friend. One friend. Was that in the home or did they go out? It was in the home. In the home.

Okay, so the friend, did the friend stay overnight? No, but he has been quoted. Okay, so we know she was there for New Year's Eve. And, okay, just wanted to back up just a little bit to confirm the timeline. Take a listen more from WSA. Three days after she was seen leaving her home with bags in hand, Walsh was reported missing. We cannot confirm that she actually got into a ride share in Cohasset. We can further, we have confirmed with the airlines, and that's been a challenge, that she did not board a plane this week.

Police say her phone has been off, and there has been no activity on her credit or debit cards. Just a loving wife and mother to, she always says, three beautiful boys, three beautiful boys, who she loves so much. I wanted you to take a listen to more of what the friend had to say. But first, I want to go to Ross Gardner, forensic consultant and instructor at BevelGardner.com, author of Bloodstained Pattern Analysis with an Introduction to Crime Scene Reconstruction, third edition.

Wow. I like that's a third edition. Wow, I like that's the third edition. That means you've got three books that you have revised about crime scene reconstruction and I could talk to you about bloodstain pattern analysis all day long. Ross Gardner, your forensic consultant, let me ask you this very quickly if you could put it in a nutshell for everybody that hasn't had to do it. How do you confirm whether someone caught a ride share from a certain address? And how do you confirm, for instance, if you're investigating the case, whether someone took a flight out of Cahasset or out of Boston?

Well, today, in this technology, it's hard to move about without some level of leaving information behind. I think this is basic criminal investigation. They would have contacted the Lyft and the rideshare people, and they have records. recognized unless you're claiming, you know, somebody were to claim that she were traveling in disguise or under a false name. So I think that was the easiest part of the whole deal for the criminal investigators just to figure out. Did she really catch a ride? And did she really have a flight or did she ever even have a flight booked? Did she have a flight booked that she didn't catch or did she not even have a flight booked? Did she have a flight booked that she didn't catch? Or did she not even have a flight booked? You know what this is reminding me of to Dana Kennedy in New York Post?

This name's going to go down in infamy forever. Caitlin Armstrong. Hey, Sid, while you're sitting there twiddling your thumbs, ha ha, could you just please, we miss Caitlin Armstrong's case going to trial. Do they even have a trial date? Remember her, Dana Kennedy? We talked about her. She was the glam yoga instructor that is accused of murdering her boyfriend's extra girlfriend,

Mariah, remember her? Mariah Wilson, who was a world-class dirt and mud biker who was in town for a competition, and the boyfriend got together with Mariah, you know, for the afternoon, and the next thing you know, she's dead, shot dead in the bathroom. Remember how they finally traced her and found her. And I think Costa Rica was exactly the way Ross Gardner just described evidence, photos, video at the airport and from TSA. Absolutely. I covered that story when it happened. And it was incredible. You sure did.

It was amazing that they didn't get her sooner. Because as you remember, they saw her in surveillance video at LaGuardia after she flew out of I believe Austin but then somehow she was able to get a friend I believe to give her a fake passport and then she flew out to Costa Rica it was incredible that she lasted as long as she did and as we know I think she had dyed her hair and was making herself look as different as possible. Had a nose job. Yeah.

I got the trial date. Thank you, Sydney. June 2023. I'm ready for you, Caitlin Armstrong. So Ross Gardner is right. I don't know if this young mom ever had a flight arranged or we just thought she had a flight arranged. But we now know she didn't take a Lyft. She didn't take an Uber, no ride share, or cab. So, all right, where is she? Now we find out there's no activity on her

credit or debit cards. So, how is she living? When is she reported missing? Take a listen to our friends at Boston 25. A Cohasset police log is shedding new light on how the investigation first got started. It says a call requesting a well-being check was made on January 4th by a man who identified himself as the head of security at Honor Walsh's employer in D.C., Tishman Spire. The log says Tishman Spire contacted husband Brian Walsh before he reported his wife missing. It explains that he told police Ana left for D.C. and he hadn't heard from her since. According to the log, Ana's phone last pinged on January 2nd at 3.14 a.m. in Cohasset and hit the tower on Reservoir Road in Cohasset, less than a mile from the family's home. Okay, all of that was interesting to me.

But Dana, and hey, don't worry Philip Holloway. I'm getting to you. Philip Holloway with me, high-profile lawyer, founder of the Holloway Law Group in Cobb County, radio host, legal analyst, WSB, host of Sworn, a true crime podcast. I'm getting there, Phil. And remember, Philip, again, I scolded everyone before we went to air. We're not having high tea at Windsor Castle. Jump in, man. You're certainly not afraid of jumping in in court. So if you have an idea, jump in. Dana Kennedy, a lot just jumped out at me. But one thing is, her phone pinged January 2 at home when she was supposed to have left the morning of January 1. What, she left without her phone?

Yeah, nothing makes any sense, Nancy. I mean, and if she had, we were talking about flights earlier, had she made an arrangement for a flight, that would have shown up online somewhere. Okay, to you, Phillip Holloway, lawyer and founder of the Holloway Law Group, Cobb County, Georgia. Phillip Holloway, why is it her office reported her missing? Shouldn't the husband have reported her missing? Well, look, anybody who cares about her should have reported her missing. But look, I think this does make perfectly good sense. Man, I like you. Hey, if my husband ever goes missing, remind me, hire Phillip Holloway. Of course, he can't go missing because I've got him on Life 360. I've got him on this and on that. Man, I know when he's going to

go empty the trash. Actually, really, he's so trustworthy. When I try to look through his emails, they're so boring, my eyes bleed. So, you know, I'm actually not tracking him. That said, go ahead, Phillip Holloway. Well, look, I think this whole thing does make perfectly good sense because the picture that's being painted here by the circumstantial evidence.

All I said is he didn't report her missing, man. Yeah, this could be the most powerful type of evidence in court. Circumstantial evidence. All I said is he didn't report her missing, man. Yeah, this could be the most powerful type of evidence in court. Circumstantial evidence is great, and the circumstances paint a picture of someone who has been killed. This is a murder case. We all know where it's going. The circumstances all point to that. Well, I believe you're putting the cart before the horse. I don't think so. Nobody has said murder yet. I don't think so. I think this is where it's going. Oh, I did. Now, see, are you familiar with William Shakespeare?

Because one of my favorite quotes is, Methinks thou doth protest too much. All I said was he didn't report her missing, and you just went crazy about a circumstantial murder case. Well, that's what it is. You know, when somebody says this doesn't make sense, I have the position that it makes perfectly good sense. Once you understand that this is a murder case, it starts to make sense. Everything that we know and everything that's happened fits perfectly into that paradigm.

Why didn't he report her missing, Phillip Holloway? Because he's afraid of going to prison. Okay, well, that's certainly one way of putting it. Now, we have a little, let's just say, inconsistency in the facts. Take a listen to WBZ. WBZ has obtained and verified audio of a voicemail left by Mr. Walsh for one of Ana's friends. The friend lives in Washington, D.C., where Ana works, and tells us the voicemail was left on Wednesday. That's the same day Ana was reported missing to police.

Good afternoon. It's Brian Walsh. I hope all is going well. I was just reaching out to basically everybody I could. Ana hasn't been in touch for a few days. Do you know anyone that might have had contact with her? Just calling everyone. Sorry to bother you. I'm sure everything's fine. Okay, no offense to this guy calling people,

but Dana Kennedy, did it sound a little bit like he was reading a script to you? It sounded a bit like he was reading a script script and also he was completely nonchalant. I mean in this day and age when someone's out of touch for two days you'd be in a total panic. You'd be calling every cop. You'd be doing everything possible. You're so right. Dr. Bethany Marshall I've told you this story before but I don't think everybody knows the story. Let me just tell this real quick. David, my husband, travels a lot for his job. And typically when he touched down, he'll text me. And that's great.

I don't need to talk to him. I just like to know he's safe. Well, Bethany, excuse me, Dr. Bethany, one time he got to Florida and he texted, I made it and I'm going to do this, this, this, this, and this. And then I'll end up at the hotel, you know, around nine o'clock. Well, you know what? I never heard from him again. And I could just imagine him getting run over in the parking lot or some nut hitting me in the head or I didn't know what I was thinking. You know, my coworker, Dee, and I stayed up till four o'clock last night, that night, calling hospitals. Finally, I got the manager to go and knock on his door with much, much strong arming. And he was in there and had come home early and fallen asleep you can hear

the tv in the background he's like totally knocked out but i was so upset i was calling every hospital in the area i didn't know where his business appointments were so i was trying out lying hospitals i know i sounded like a crazy. I was convinced something had happened to him. I sure as heck didn't sound like I was reading a script. No, exactly. That's why you just took the words right out of my mouth. Compare his response with yours. He had what we call in my field, trite, rehearsed, and stereotyped speech.

That's what we put in reports when we're analyzing a patient who's sort of hollow and empty and not believable also somebody who has very little original thinking so they kind of they kind of um they spout off or they repeat what they have read somewhere or what they hear other people saying i hear you let's hear that again syd. Could you play that one more time where we hear Brian Walsh? WBZ has obtained and verified audio of a voicemail left by Mr. Walsh for one of Ana's friends. The friend lives in Washington, D.C., where Ana works and tells us the voicemail was left on Wednesday. That's the same day Ana was reported missing to police. Good afternoon, Brian Walsh. I hope all is going well. I was just reaching out to basically

everybody I could. Ana hasn't been in touch for a few days. Do you know anyone that might have had contact with her? Just calling everyone. Sorry to bother you. I'm sure everything's fine. Now guys, take a listen to what police are saying.

This is from WUSA. Walsh's friends and family have been cooperating with detectives. The real estate executive would spend her work weeks in the district and weekends with her family in her Massachusetts home, where local and state officials have brought in their search. Anna Walsh is described as a five foot two woman weighing 115 pounds. She has brown hair and brown eyes and speaks with an Eastern European accent, according to police. For now, police say there is no sign

of foul play. No evidence of foul play. Well, maybe this will jog the police into action. A fire erupts. Take a listen to our friends at WCVB. Police say she wasn't reported missing until Wednesday. She does work in D.C. and it's not abnormal for her to work long hours and not contact the home. Investigators say her phone's been off since Sunday and there's no evidence her credit cards have been used. And the fire at the family's former home only adds to the mystery we're going to look at everything here um you know very strange coincidence and you can see the command post behind us here tonight officers wrapped up their search here around 6 30 tonight and they plan to regroup in the morning uh straight back out to veteran trial lawyer philip hollow, while police say no evidence of foul play, now a fire breaks out at the home they just moved out of.

Do you believe and you actually believe in coincidences in criminal law? No, not particularly not in this case. Listen, I think that there's certainly circumstantial evidence that can be interpreted as signs of foul play. You know, look, not reporting her missing for a couple of days in and of itself is problematic. And when you add it to all the other pieces of circumstantial evidence, such as leaving the house to buy cleaning supplies and the Internet searches and finding the items in the basement. So not only do we have a fire breaking out at their former home, the picture becomes

more bleak. Take a listen our friends at WBTS. More bags being brought out of the Cohasset home where missing mom Anna Walsh and her family live just a day after investigators said they wrapped up their search for evidence there. Evidence that included the discovery of blood and a bloody knife in the basement. New video obtained by NBC10 Boston shows Brian Walsh just one day after his wife was last seen on security cameras at Press Juice Bar in Norwell. Meanwhile, the NBC10 investigators have learned a hacksaw and bloody towels were found during the search of the transfer station in Peabody and the dumpsters at the Swampscott apartment complex where Brian Walsh's mother lives.

To Dana Kennedy joining us in the New York Post, I guess that changed the course of the investigation. What exactly, what evidence has been found so far and where? I think there's some confusion about that. Early on, investigators went north of Boston to a place called Peabody to a transfer station there. They found some material that initially was called evidence or remains, and I don't think it's been specifically outlined at all yet. I don't think they, I mean, they found, I believe, a bloody knife in the basement, but clearly the guy is still not under arrest for this murder, so there's nothing that's completely pointing at him yet as

far as i know so bloody knife and um i believe the knife had been broken to some degree right and some blood in the family home not the former home that was burned down but the family home where anna was living with her three boys and husband. And there's more. Listen to NBC10 Boston. Police have been collecting surveillance video from several places Brian Walsh visited after his wife's disappearance. That includes walking by this dumpster at a liquor store in Swampscott. They're trying to figure out what exactly happened. Dr. Ann Marie Myers used to work at the medical examiner's office and now teaches forensic criminology at Anna Maria College. She says authorities will fast track everything they

have through the lab, including the hacksaw and the bloody knife. But some of the details could make the police work difficult. There's an indication that there's been some sort of perhaps dismembering of the body and then disposal echoes many cases that I was involved in where the police were never able to find human remains. Ross Gardner is joining me for as a consultant. Ross, what does a broken knife mean to you well it's unclear as to is it's broken or it's damaged but that would not be unexpected either through if he used the knife during the course of the assault or in the course of uh dismembering dismembering it's not an easy task i I think what's more important at this point will be the DNA. You know, they haven't arrested him, but that's because they've got to go and they're going to have to correlate the knife and those bloodstains that they found specifically in the basement back to Anna.

And then, of course, in that sense, there's some belief that he may have cleaned up the scene. We could have high expectation that they're doing additional work such as LCV or luminol, trying to enhance any cleanup activity because that'll give you a better sense for, you know, is this just a couple of tiny little bloodstains or was there a large volume of blood here? And now it's been cleaned up. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. crime stories with nancy grace what can you tell me dana kennedy about a 450 dollar bill at home depot well when they found the uh the receipt for this um there it was cleaning supplies um and i believe there might have been some rope found.

But again, pretty suspicious considering his wife is missing. I've got mops, tarp, buckets, various type of tape, and cleaning supplies all from the Rockland Home Depot. And you know what I love, Phillip Holloway, about Home Depot, much like Target, they have excellent surveillance video. I will never forget, I believe it was Target, where top mom Casey Anthony went while her daughter Kelly was missing. There she was in her push-up bra buying beer and all sorts of party stuff, using somebody else's check, by the way, while her daughter was missing. She was not the least bit upset.

And I guarantee you there's going to be Home Depot surveillance video of the husband, Brian Walsh, buying all of his cleaning supplies. And not only will they find forensically, as they've already stated, a bloody knife and some blood in the basement, there could be traces of that cleaning supply in the home. And luminol catches so much that the naked eye misses. Any blood spatter, any smudge, any transfer, anything on the wall or the ceiling. A lot of times when defendants murder someone, they forget to look up at the ceiling. That's a big boo-boo, Philip Holloway. Yeah, it is. And I can't of a an innocent reason for him to be at the Home Depot at that time in violation of his bond by the way purchasing $450 worth of cleaning

supplies if it's not something that he normally does and and there's no information that that is part of his regular routine so it's just one more brick in the wall when you add it together with all the other circumstantial evidence and by the the way, speaking of a hacksaw, can you imagine any worse thing to be out there, you know, involved in a case like this? If there's a hacksaw involved, that just sends the mind into thinking the absolute worst and most horrifying of outcomes in this case. And I got to tell you, Dana Kennedy, New York Post, it's not like on Dexter where the whole floor and the walls are encased in plastic and then he dismembers the bad guy and then just kind of folds it all up and you never find any blood spatter at all. It's not like that at all.

It's an arduous task. It's very hard to dismember someone. And you always leave behind blood. Plus, you've got to get blood off that hacksaw traced back to Anna, if that's in fact true. That's right. This is all so incredibly grisly.

And I don't know how an everyday average guy, which is what Brian Walsh was, could even figure out how to saw limbs off. I don't think I could. And there's more, guys. Take a listen to our friend Julianne Lima, Boston 25. We did confirm through sources that investigators did, in fact, find evidence in that dumpster that is connected to Anna Walsh's disappearance.

Now, they searched the dumpster here in Peabody for hours last night, state and local police. Sources also telling us police towed that dumpster from Brian Walsh's mother's apartment complex in Swampskate. We spoke to people who live in that complex who were horrified to learn of what may have been put in their trash. And the one in there is automatic. When you close the door, it compacts. It's a scary thing to think about that

because, God forbid, if somebody put something in there but compact would compact it back to you dana kennedy we are just learning that anna walsh age 39 was planning for the future selling off assets to reinvest in real estate before she vanished on new year's day what if, do we know about that? Well, we know information about her plans for the future when it came to her business from some tenants that she had in Revere, which is north of Boston, a seaside town. And these tenants had been with her for a while and considered her a friend. I believe they knew her for seven years. And they were shocked when about a month ago,

she said, oh, you guys have to get out. I'm selling it. And when they sort of acted like, well, can we have some more time? They said her whole demeanor changed in a way they'd never seen before. She was pushy. They said not very nice,

had a bit of a meltdown over it, and they were shocked. But then another source told Fox News that it was normal for someone who's in like sort of low-level real estate investment to flip and put that money into another investment which sounds like she did because it was sold that Revere Beach home prior to her disappearance. What can you tell me, Dana, about some fake Andy Warhol paintings? Brian Walsh bought them from an LA gallery dealer who believed it. And it wasn't until later that he found out they were completely fake.

And Brian Walsh was later arrested in connection with art fraud. That's why he was living in Cohabit with an ankle monitor. I'm picking back up. So Brian had an art fraud conviction and was forced by the court to stay at home. But aside from the art fraud, this to me is much more troubling. Take a listen to our cut 21, our friend Bob Ward. On social media, missing Cohasset mom Anna Walsh portrayed a glamorous, happy life with her husband, Brian Walsh. But a police report revealed deep trouble even before Anna and Brian were even engaged. According to this public incident report, Anna Knipp, her maiden name, told DC Metro Police that Brian Walsh, quote, made a statement over the telephone that he was going to kill her and her friends.

She added Brian now lives in Boston, Massachusetts. Brian Walsh is not named in the report, but my sources indicate the suspect here is Brian Walsh. The report lists the potential offense as felony threats, but Anna never cooperated with D.C. Metro Police. Brian Walsh was never charged, and the case was closed. And not only was that case closed, she then went on to marry him. Dr. Bethany Marshall, can you make sense of that? Well, yes, absolutely I can, Nancy, because even the most abusive of relationships always start out with an attachment, right?

Two people love each other. They want to be together. And according to a cultural anthropologist, Helen Fisher, there's an idealization between the couple that lasts for like seven to 15 months, where they just see each other as perfect and as a person who's going to take care of all their own unmet needs. And it's not until that initial idealization wears off, they start to see the true character of the other person. And then more specifically with women who are abused, there's kind of a crisis of boundaries where when the man is abusive, toxic, in this case, homicidal, the woman thinks, oh, it's my fault.

I went to D.C DC I made him jealous I posted all these pictures I shouldn't have done it and and she could have blamed herself which would then have paved the way for the sort of a matching thought which would be well it's my fault I have to fix it and now I just have to go back home and make things better. Take a listen also to what our friend Lawrence Jones from Fox News and our Cut 13 has learned. What do you know about Brian? Unfortunately not much because every time when we would have a conversation about Brian it would be switched to children or brushed off so we. What do you mean brushed off? How did the conversation go? And more. Her husband, Brian, had this no-picture policy.

I mean, it's even hard to find pictures of her out there. We want to remember her, her life life and try to get answers for her. Did y'all hear anything about that? Does that surprise you? There's no picture policy? Hard to say. She was hiding, truly. But the absence of him, I understand that even on New Year's Eve, my friend said that he would not even take personal photos between friends friends, that he was missing in the photos in during the New Year's Eve, that he would take pictures of everybody else, but not of himself. So there must be some reasons for it. I don't want to speculate what the reason, but it is odd. I know picture policy.

Dana Kennedy from The New York Post. There's one very important picture out there right now. His mugshot. He apparently lied to police and he's been charged with impeding the investigation, stating he took his sons for ice cream. But in fact, that's not true. No, it's not true at all. There doesn't seem to be anything really valid that he has said so far. And I agree with a lot of what Dr. Bethany said in principle, but I think it's very strange still to file a police report or make a police report saying this guy was going to kill you and then marry him a year later and not have not one but three children

and then leave them essentially with a guy who she knew had been convicted of a crime. I have a vibe that she wasn't just the sweet, loving mother that, you know, that we see. Listen, I'm sorry if she's been murdered, obviously, but I think she was kind of a complicated person. I think it's very odd to go ahead and marry a guy like that and have three kids and then leave the kids with him during the week. The tip line 781-383-1055. Repeat, 781-383-1055. Can I add something?

Sure. Nancy, we've just gotten word that Norfolk County DA in Massachusetts has charged Brian Walsh with murder. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart Podcast.