Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Zone 7: Two Miracles - The Night Jane Boroski Survived

Episode Date: August 10, 2025

The Connecticut River Valley serial killer is believed to be responsible for a string of brutal murders that occurred between 1978 and 1988 across the wooded border region of New Hampshire and Vermont.... The killer targeted at least seven women, many of whom were young and found stabbed to death in remote areas.   In this episode of Zone 7, Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum sits down with Jane Boroski, the only known survivor of the Connecticut River Valley serial killer. Attacked while seven months pregnant and left for dead after 27 stab wounds, Jane recounts the unthinkable night of her assault and the slow, painful road to healing. Amanda and Drew Bedard, Jane’s closest allies and collaborators on the Invisible Tears podcast also join the conversation. Together, they reflect how trauma, PTSD, and survivor’s guilt shaped Jane’s life, and how advocacy became her path to meaning.  Guest Bio and Links: Jane Boroski Co-Owner and the Host of Invisible Tears. She is an advocate for mental health, PTSD Awareness and healing. She is the only known survivor of the CT River Valley Serial Killer and is on a mission to help and heal others by sharing her experiences and having a platform to allow others to do the same. Amanda Bedard is Co-Owner, Co-Host, Producer and Editor of Invisible Tears. She pulls on her Life Coaching and Trauma Certification experience to help advocate for mental health, truth and healing, in practice and through the podcast. Amanda is also a certified Reiki Master and heals clients through energy work. Drew Bedard is Co-Owner, Co-Host, Producer and Researcher of Invisible Tears. A Life-long passion of his is true-crime and researching serial killers and cases, most likely stemming from knowing Jane his entire life. As the glue that holds the team together, he is passionate about having a platform for Jane and others to speak their truth. Listeners can learn more about Invisible Tears Podcast at their website    Show Notes: (0:00) Welcome back to Zone 7 with Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum   (0:30) Sheryl welcomes guests, Jane Boroski, and Amanda and Drew Bedard to Zone 7 (2:00) The fatal night in 1988 (5:00) Jane describes the struggle, fighting back, and fleeing (6:00)  ”And so I'm driving down the road and next thing I know, I'm right behind him…he's right in front of me.” - Jane describing her escape (10:30) Reiki - how energy healing works (13:30) Drew shares how Invisible Tears Podcast was born from a conversation (19:00) Understanding PTSD in survivors (22:00) Amanda discusses the responsibility of hosting a trauma-focused show (22:30) The team reflects on burnout, boundaries, and honoring survivor anniversaries (28:00) Giving voice to the voiceless (30:00) Raising awareness for unsolved cases (39:00) The possibility of a new composite remade (41:00) Coalition for the missing and murdered (46:00) “ I was seven months pregnant. I was stabbed 27 times, but not one to my baby.” - Jane Boroski Thanks for listening to another episode! If you’re loving the show and want to help grow the show, please head over to Itunes and leave a rating and review!  --- Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. Sheryl is also the founder and director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, a collaboration between universities and colleges that brings researchers, practitioners, students and the criminal justice community together to advance techniques in solving cold cases and assist families and law enforcement with solvability factors for unsolved homicides, missing persons, and kidnapping cases.   Social Links: Email: coldcase2004@gmail.com Twitter: @ColdCaseTips Facebook: @sheryl.mccollum Instagram: @officialzone7podcastSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an I-Heart podcast. It was August 6, 1988. Jan Boroski was seven months pregnant. She had been at the fair, having a fabulous time. She got hot, she got tired. So as she's driving home, she thought, I'm going to stop at this convenience store and get me something to drink.
Starting point is 00:00:35 Well, the convenience store was closed. But as luck would have it, they had a vending machine outside. So she parked her car, rummaged through her purse, tried to find some change, went up to the vending machine, and it took her money.
Starting point is 00:00:51 So she went back to her car, got more change, and went back to the vending machine. And then things went away that she would have never thought possible in her deepest nightmares. She was only 22 years old. Now, this story has a miracle attached to it.
Starting point is 00:01:15 So y'all stay with me. Our guest tonight is not just a survivor. She's the only survivor of the Connecticut River Valley serial killer. and y'all she's brought her own zone seven with her please help me welcome jane boroski Amanda bettered and drew bettered y'all welcome to zone seven thank you i'm so happy to be here thank you for having us thank you so much for having us we appreciate it well let me tell you it's remarkable some of y'all may already know their names they're from the
Starting point is 00:01:58 The Invisible Tears podcast. Y'all know what I'm talking about. That podcast that goes deep into what happened to Jane and then what she did with it. And y'all, you know, sometimes you think, how in the world does something like this happen to somebody and they turn around and use it for good? Well, we're going to talk about that too,
Starting point is 00:02:25 because that's exactly what she's doing. Jane, why don't you talk about what happened that night just a little bit and then I want to bring Amanda and Drew back in and let's talk about what you're doing currently. Does that sound okay? That sounds great. Thank you. Yeah, everything you said went to a fair, stopped for a soda. I'm sitting there drinking my soda. And a vehicle pulled in, parked beside me on my passenger side of my car.
Starting point is 00:03:05 Didn't think anything of it. I'd like to add that Swansea is a very small town in New Hampshire. And in 1988, it had virtually no major crime. So I felt safe. Next thing I know, I see him in my rearview mirror walking behind my car. went up to my car door and tried to take me out of the car. We struggled, we fought, I fought, I kicked him. I ended up smashing my windshield because I went to kick him and I kicked my windshield.
Starting point is 00:03:45 And then he took a knife out and said, maybe this will persuade you to get out of the car, which it did. I got out of the car and he was confusing to me for one he told me that I beat up his girlfriend which obviously I had not
Starting point is 00:04:09 and he asked me or mentioned that my car was a Massachusetts car which I was like no I have New Hampshire plates on my car so he kind of like walked away from me and went to the back of the car, and I'm thinking, okay, he's confused. I took me, you know, I took my safeguard down, thought that, you know, he mistaken me for
Starting point is 00:04:35 somebody else. And the next thing I know, I see him walking towards his vehicle. Well, then I'm like, I'm sitting here with a smashed windshield. So I'm like, hey, what about my windshield? sealed. And those are the words that I regret for the rest of my life. He came back around, put the knife up against my neck. And I'm standing there and he was still wanting me to go with him. And I knew in my mind, if I went with him, I probably would not be alive today. So I saw a vehicle coming down the road headlights and I said to myself okay the only way I'm getting myself out of this
Starting point is 00:05:22 situation is to run as fast as I can to the road and scream and I did I just took right off started running towards the road the vehicle was coming I'm screaming and the vehicle just drove right by and the next thing I know he like tackled me down like a football player got me on my back I was laying on the ground on my back and he got on top of me and before I knew it he was stabbing me multiple times and he stopped and got up walked away and by this time I'm bleeding and I'm trying to get myself up and I roll myself over to my stomach and I get up on my hands and knees and he drives by me. And looked right down at me. I looked right up at him and he just drove off. So I did everything I could to get to my vehicle, got in my vehicle, started it. And I had a friend of mine
Starting point is 00:06:29 that lived about two miles down the road. So I knew if I could just get to his house, you know, I would be able to get help. And so I'm driving down the road and next thing I know I'm right behind him he's he's right in front of me you know jane i got to tell you that's part of the story that gave me i think the most chills for some reason i was not expecting that when i first heard your story oh i was not either something oh yep but for some reason the idea that you were able to catch up to him and realize he's ahead of you oh lord all right go ahead honey i'm sorry i just had to that's okay um so i and he was in front of me and my biggest fear was he was going to see where i turned the driveway that i was turning into and uh so i got to the driveway i pulled in the driveway
Starting point is 00:07:27 he went he went for uh straight i went up to my friend's door well i didn't even get to the door i got to the bottom of the the the little steps that goes up to the door and i was just like you need to get me help some some asshole just just stabbed the crap out of me. And I collapsed on the steps. And next thing I know, we hear the vehicle come back by the house the opposite way. And we heard squealed tires. And then it left and just disappeared in the night. So I was, I'm fortunate to be alive. I was stabbed 27 times. He sliced my juggler in my neck. I had two collapsed lungs, a cut tendon in my thumb, a cut tendon in my knee.
Starting point is 00:08:21 I had a lot of defensive wounds. So let me just ask you, he thought he left you for dead. I believe so. Yeah, I believe that. So when he realized, wait a minute, that's her car, because you had a very distinct car. Tell everybody your car, because you love that car. Oh, I did love my car. I had a 1985 firebird white red interior it was absolutely gorgeous I absolutely love the car loved it
Starting point is 00:08:50 and you know I loved it so much that I kept it um obviously that there was a lot of blood and everything in the car and so while I was in the hospital my husband had it cleaned detailed after the police were done fingerprinting it and and doing all their forensics and gathering evidence. My husband had it detailed and he wanted to sell it. And I was like, no, that's my car. You're not selling my car. I love that car. There's nothing like a car that you just, you just dig it.
Starting point is 00:09:33 Like that's your set of wheels, you know? Absolutely. that was a 1985 firebirds were the nicest sports cars and it drove so nice so let's talk about your support system
Starting point is 00:09:46 I want to bring Amanda in first because Amanda you're a trauma expert but you also have something that is in your wheelhouse that I think is pretty powerful and we don't talk about it a lot people don't maybe know a lot about it
Starting point is 00:10:01 but you deal with energy and I think that anybody that's ever been in a traumatic situation that had somebody just touched their hand knows the power of touch I think making sure that people are intuitive and that they are ever present I think that's one of the most important things Amanda I was at a wedding about a year and a half ago
Starting point is 00:10:30 and the preacher told the couple to turn around and just take it in that this was going to go by so fast and there were going to be things they didn't remember and he basically just made them take that moment and I thought that's one of the most powerful things I've ever seen at a wedding. So tell everybody a little bit about what it is you do to help Jane. Yeah, sure. So I'm actually a Reiki Master teacher and so as you speak about energy. So Reiki is a form of energy work where I channel universal energy through myself and help clients as I tune into their energy field. And while that sounds really, you know, kind of like kooky sometimes for people listening to it, just think about it like this.
Starting point is 00:11:25 Absolutely everything is energy. And when anybody goes through any sort of situation, possibly trauma, maybe something great or something that's not so great, it actually imprints energy into your energy field. So as a Reiki Master, what I do is I tune into people's energy fields and I help them cleanse anything that may be stuck in their energy field. A lot of times people don't realize that pain can manifest in your energy field. Yeah, you can get diseases. For sure. Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. Okay. Yep. So let me ask you this, Drew. I noticed that you and Amanda have the same last name. Is there a reason for that? Sorry. Yes. Amanda is my wife. Okay. And then you have mentioned that you've known Jane your whole life. So tell us how the three of y'all teamed up. Yes. So Jane and her husband Dennis have been friends with my parents for my entire.
Starting point is 00:12:32 life. One of my earlier childhood memories is I actually do remember watching the Unsolved Mysteries when they covered Jane's case. So at a very early age, that did sort of leave that imprint and really did kick off my intrigue with true crime. And with being, Jane, being so close to the family, it was very difficult for me because I wanted to ask her so many questions about the case, but I didn't want to bring it up because we were way too close. I didn't want to broach that subject. I didn't know if she was ready to talk about or anything like that. And then this was probably about 10, 15 years ago, Jane and I were sitting around campfire at a campground in New Hampshire.
Starting point is 00:13:20 And she just looks at me and goes, you know, Andrew, have I ever showed you the scars? And it instantly opened up kind of like that book where I could. ask her questions about it, you know, who the current suspect at that time was and just kind of do a little bit of a deep dive with being able to ask her those questions that I kind of always wanted to know. And it made it very good for our relationship as well. And then it was around the, when the pandemic kicked off, Jane and her daughter, Jessica, were listening to some episodes talking about the Connecticut River Valley case. And they were sitting there going, God, there's a lot of, you know, wrong information or the story's not really adding up or they're talking about this and doesn't make sense.
Starting point is 00:14:08 And they're like, why don't we do our podcast and actually tell the full story? But they didn't really know where to start. And Jane was like, I don't know how to do this. And Jessica goes, ask Andrew. So Jane sent me a text and was like, hey, do you want to go out to lunch? I've got a great idea. So we went to Longhorn Steakhouse in Keene, New Hampshire, Jane, me, Amanda, and Jess. And we sat there and just kind of talked about what the plans would be if we did want to do a show.
Starting point is 00:14:43 And Amanda and I were absolutely honored because for me, it was a, if I can help Jane give her a platform to tell her story how it happened, but then also what happened to her after the fact. Because being a family friend, I was able to witness a lot of the stuff, even though Jane was, she'll admit to it, keeping a lot of stuff on the down low. So there was a lot that we didn't know, but we did know some of the stuff that was happening to her. So I just wanted to give her that opportunity to try to not only tell her story, but also if she can help somebody that also went through something traumatic, Amanda and I were going to be there to support her as best we could. to try to put this podcast together. Jane, how important was it for you to not just have support, but to have two people that are willing to say, hey, you may not understand this energy thing,
Starting point is 00:15:44 but I'm going to try to help you. And then Andrew's saying, hey, I'm going to help run this thing and produce it and have all of that at your disposal. Oh, I was blessed. I'm blessed. Today I am blessed. We've become a great team. You know, I wanted a platform to share, I suffered PTSD for a long time because of my attack. And I know there's a lot of people out there that also have gone through trauma and have PTSD. But they don't really know how. to actually go about getting help. It took me over 20 years to actually see a counselor for the first time about my attack and about what happened to me.
Starting point is 00:16:40 So when they accepted and they were like, yeah, let's do this. I was elated. I was, I felt blessed. I was like, okay, now I have a platform. for him to tell my story. Because, you know, when you go through something traumatic like I've gone through, the story doesn't end with, okay, she healed physically, she's out of the hospital, she goes home, story done. It doesn't happen that way. I may have healed very quickly, physically, but not mentally. Mentally took years. You made the news before you even got
Starting point is 00:17:21 released from the hospital. You didn't know whether or not he was coming back. Exactly. especially once he knew your name. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And that was the thing. Back then, they put the victim's names all over media. And they don't do that today. If the victim has survived, you don't see the victim's name anymore, especially if the case is unsolved.
Starting point is 00:17:44 But, yeah, back then was a very different time. And so I, you know, I lived with a lot of fear for a long time. and it kind of produced other things in me like anger and uh survivors guilt and uh anxiety and nightmares and so i i had you know i had all the symptoms of PTSD but at the time i didn't know I had PTSD until I went to my counselor and my counselor was like hey here's some symptoms of PTSD. I really think you have PTSD. Go home and, you know, look at the paper and look at the symptoms. Because I was like, PTSD is for like, you know, service men and women that have seen the unspeakable overseas, you know. But I read that and I was like blown away. But yet at the
Starting point is 00:18:41 same time, I was like, oh my God, now I have PTSD. Now what? And that's what I said to her. I was like, okay, you got me. I have PTSD. Now what? And she, She's like, we start healing you. Those were words I have never heard. I never heard those before. She's the one that. And you know, it's shocking that, you know, here you are in the middle of this horrific event. Yet you had not ever been told or sat and thought,
Starting point is 00:19:13 I not only witnessed something unspeakable. I had something unspeakable happened to me. and as somebody's trying to kill me I'm trying to protect my unborn child afterwards I think I'm still being hunted I don't know where he's at I don't know if he's going to strike again
Starting point is 00:19:33 they ask you to do a composite and you know you can't even speak you've got a blink yes or no for the composite tell everybody about that so I was I believe it was like day two
Starting point is 00:19:49 or day three, when I was in the hospital, I was in intensive care, ICU. I had a ventilator. And the detectives came in with this box of slides. And they were like different eyes and different noses and different mouths and different faces and hair. And so I had all kinds of different slides. And because I had a ventilator, they were trying to make a composite um to spread around so that they could put that in the news and and put flyers out and
Starting point is 00:20:27 stuff so I had to blink when they showed me eyes or our nose I had to blink once for yes and two for no um I think you know I look back and I thought about this a couple of years ago I look back on that and it's like I wonder if they thought they needed to get this composite out because they didn't think I was going to survive. A hundred percent. And we don't know where he's at and he could strike again. I mean, I'm sure it was a parallel concern, but, you know, you're talking about both your lungs and carotid artery.
Starting point is 00:21:02 I mean, he wasn't playing. He literally thought you were going to die right there in that parking lot. I think he expected me to, but I didn't. No, you did not, sugar. Amanda, when you talk about, you know, we're going to do this and it's going to be victim-centered, and we're going to have a platform where other people can, you know, get help and tell their story. How difficult is it for you to make sure that you stay true to what y'all want to do, that you don't make an offhanded joke, that you don't not think about,
Starting point is 00:21:38 hey, this is the anniversary of when she was attacked, this is the anniversary of when she was let out of the hospital. This is the anniversary of, you know, the other victim. Like, that's a lot on you, too. Yeah. Yeah, it absolutely is. I definitely think that all of us can probably agree that since we've been in this podcasting space, and now, mind you, none of us were podcasters before.
Starting point is 00:22:04 We had to teach ourselves, right? So as we've been sort of fumbling along this path, I know something about that, sugar. We've definitely, we've learned quite a few things. I think now we are all finally at the point where we all understand that we are victim advocates. We see the work that we've done. We see who we've helped. And we're extremely proud of that. And that sort of keeps us going and gives us momentum to keep going.
Starting point is 00:22:40 I do have to say from a personal perspective, being within this space, especially like for myself personally, being very sensitive to energy. being very, you know, compassionate and victim-centric and that sort of thing. Being in the space has been hard for me. Sometimes I need to, you know, take some mental health days myself, right? And just sort of decompress and just remember why we are doing what we're doing and we're in it to help and we're in it for the right reasons. I preach work-life balance. That balance is so important. If you've got to do something tough,
Starting point is 00:23:22 like I know today is tough on Jane. I know it, which is another reason I think you and Drew are so important. And Drew, I was going to ask you, know when she's got to gear up. She's got to tell this again. You know, this is not entertainment. This is her life. And, you know, one thing that I have learned,
Starting point is 00:23:41 whether it's talking to Jane or talking to Kathy Kleiner, they have this same thing. just experience in that the killer, would be killer, was not in a hurry. He wasn't anxious. He wasn't just out of control. It's the opposite of sometimes what we envision. And like if we were writing this horror movie, the way we would make the killer, he's calculated, he's calm. He drives past her and just looks at her and keeps going and goes slow.
Starting point is 00:24:17 he's not speeding out of there so when you're dealing with Jane before the show during the show which again I'm glad y'all are here for her and then after the show how important is that it's very important for us to make sure that Jane is in the right headspace
Starting point is 00:24:35 if something is hitting her too hard we definitely pull the reins back and we kind of look at the day that Jane is having and a lot of times there is very very good days where she's an open book and we can ask her as much questions as possible. Like, you know, there is one day where we just sat down, we're like, okay, Jane, put yourself back when you were laying on the pavement.
Starting point is 00:24:58 Do you remember the sound of the shoes that we're making as he was walking across the pavement? You know, what type of clothing was he wearing? Like trying to bring her back to that moment to try to grasp any detail that she might have, but also knowing there's going to be certain times when she is not mentally, in the right frame of mind to talk but I think with the work that we've been doing and especially with Jane being able to talk to other survivors being you know really getting into the advocacy headspace she's ready to talk and ready to take on a lot more weight as she's not just advocating for herself anymore but she's advocating for the seven other women that were killed
Starting point is 00:25:40 you know within the Connecticut River Valley as well as some other cases so she is definitely taking on a lot of the weight of that, but we're just here to support her and try to help her out as much as possible, whether that's people coming with information. You know, sometimes it's information that I know would just set her off a little bit. No, it wasn't that. It's like, okay, I will keep that information. I'll just give her a summary of it, but kind of make sure that it's something that's not going to, you know, kind of send her into a little bit of a salesman. Well, Jane, this tickles me a little bit because Amanda and Drew both, they almost sound like libraries. They're very calm. They're very in touch with being kind and gracious.
Starting point is 00:26:34 Girl, you're a pistol. Let me tell you something. That man had already pulled a knife on you and you're like, hey, dude, what about my cracked windshield? Like, what's up? Who's paying for that? So I think, again, that balance i don't know you that well jane but i'm just saying i've heard you talk on more than one interview and uh i mean you're you're just a boss right i mean you you are who you are you know you've got that vibrato about you i think you know what i mean i do i do and um yeah i i to kind of backtrack to Andrew one of the things that helps me keep keeps me centered and grounded and stuff, is the advocating, is helping others. I know when somebody comes on our podcast and they tell their loved one's story, I know that
Starting point is 00:27:32 we're helping them. So that helps me. That helps me a lot. You know, the advocating has been so therapeutic for us, especially for me. It just knowing that. telling my story has helped other people. We get emails. I've had several emails of people telling me I was in a domestic relationship, violent relationship for years and I finally got out and for 15 years I've known I needed counseling but never have done it and they email me and tell me I just made my first appointment for counseling because they heard my podcast. That is huge. like that's what what we had always said from the beginning if we could help that one person then we've done our job this is what we wanted to do this is what we're doing and and we have
Starting point is 00:28:29 we've helped several you have every right to just want to be in the bed all the time and upset but you're using it for good something so horrible and you're turning it to say, you know what, I'm going to help other people. Well, I felt so alone for so many years. Like, I didn't know somebody else that had gone through something so traumatic as I have been through. So who do you talk to? Who do you, you know, I didn't know Kathy Klein then.
Starting point is 00:29:03 You know, I, there's not, and there's no books out there. Oh, I survived a serial killer. So what am I supposed to do now for the rest, you know, the rest of my life? There's nothing out there. So I was lost for a long, long time. And if I was lost after I've gone through something traumatic like this, I know there's other people out there that have been feeling the same way as I was for years. And so in telling my story and getting it out, and, you know, like I said before,
Starting point is 00:29:40 one of the most important parts of my story is not my attack. it's my life after the attack. I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't easy. It was very hard for a long time. But it was also something that helped build me to the person that, the person that I am today. And that's, you know, I can't put a price on that or anything. but my podcast allows me to do this and to be the person I want to be.
Starting point is 00:30:19 These crimes occurred between 1978 and 1987. There are seven women that they know are connected to this killer, but there's possibly many, many more. Talk about that a little bit about how you're trying to advocate for all of the victims and potentially, potential victims. We've been doing the rallies up at the AG's office in Concord, New Hampshire. They're starting to open these cases up and looking at them a lot more. One thing I like that they're doing now is instead of looking at them all as a whole, they're individually investigating them now. Back in the 80s, I think there was a lot of speculation that there was one killer. Now it's like I'm not sure. They're doing a lot more investigating individually, and that's super important because I think that they'll get further with maybe once they solve one case, maybe they can solve another that's connected to that case.
Starting point is 00:31:33 I think that's the right approach individually and then, you know, deconstruct it and build it back up. I agree. But I mean, what do I say to other women? You know, the world is not a safe place. And we, it's funny, we just, I just did a video. There's several unsolved murders happening in Connecticut, Massachusetts, in Rhode Island right now. they've been finding all kinds of bodies and remains the past couple of months. And I did a video on it yesterday. And, you know, I, I'm frustrated that law enforcement doesn't give out very much information. And I get some of their reasons. I really do.
Starting point is 00:32:30 But when they call every single case not suspicious, that, just doesn't sound right. And that's what they do in New Hampshire a lot. But what I would rather have them say is the case is being investigated, but be vigilant. And that was part of my video yesterday. It was like, I wanted people to know, yes, there is a possibility that there's a serial killer out there. No proof yet. But I want this information to be spread. So, Women or people can be more vigilant, like walking, going on a trail hike. Don't go one at a time, do two. Be a buddy system.
Starting point is 00:33:19 Carrie pepper spray. Be aware of your surroundings. Don't wear earbuds if you're alone jogging. That way you're more aware of what your surroundings are. And, you know, you can hear if somebody's, you know, behind. you are coming to coming towards you. Different things like that. That's why law enforcement kind of frustrates me with this because they try to put
Starting point is 00:33:49 everybody at ease, but they're not thinking about people that aren't being vigilant about what they're doing and about their surroundings. And so I, you know, I wish people would be more vigilant. I don't want to scare people like with my video I didn't want to scare anybody but I wanted people to know that you know there's a possibility of this be vigilant so Drew this killer killed in a 50 mile radius you are a serial killer researcher that's your area what does that tell you about the potential true number of victims yeah we do we do think that it wasn't Just north and south along the I-91 corridor, we do believe that it might have also gone a little bit east to west going from the Vermont state border over into Maine. There's a lot of bodies that turned up, you know, throughout central New Hampshire and Maine around the same time frame that were similar enough to, you know, get on our radar.
Starting point is 00:34:58 And I know that I was talking with a family friend who was a good friend with a cop from unity. And the authorities in that small town also believed that there was an east-to-west corridor as well, that this killer was also conducting attacks in. But we haven't, we've been pretty good with. We honestly do not know who the suspect is. We are trying to identify what cases might be tied and which ones might not. Now, if you look at the eight attacks within the Connecticut River Valley cases, the similarities are definitely, they're in the same area of New Hampshire and Vermont, but if you do look at each case, you're going to find something that doesn't quite line up with another one. There might be a piece here that connects, you know, the first and the second case, but then there's an outlier between them, but then there's a commonality between, you know, the second and the seventh case. So we definitely look at it with an open eye going, is it one or is it possibly two?
Starting point is 00:36:03 Now, when we did first start our conversation, you know, the theory of him being a hunter or a fisherman was pretty prominent. But I was definitely of the mindset of he had to have had some hunting and fishing background. And in Linda Moore's case in particular, the woman who was attacked in her home, in Bellis Falls. It was an outlier because she was attacked in her home. Everybody else was sort of in a public place. But I looked at it as from a hunter fisherman's perspective, and her home was right along a river that you could fish along. So I theorized that he would go out hunting. Now, whether that was driving around, I don't necessarily think it was driving around. I think he would treat it almost like he was in a deer stand. He would find a spot and sit there
Starting point is 00:36:55 and wait to see if somebody would come by that would that would be within his demographics of a possible victim and that's why i think with linda more in particular i think he was fishing along the river and as he was walking along the river he stumbled upon her and saw her in her backyard and just he became overwhelmed and that's why that attack happened and we didn't find out until about a year and a half ago from the police reports that they did actually find some twigs and branches that could have only come from the backyard. So that did sort of help kind of solidify that a little bit with, you know, we do believe this is what his background is. Interesting. You've got victims that were hitchhiking in parking lots, rest stops. It
Starting point is 00:37:44 certainly would check that he waits for somebody to come into his path, almost like a deer gets in that clear and if you're in the tree stand so yeah exactly and with jane's attack being at gomarillo's um it's right in you know right in the hometown area so i'd drive by at countless times and i would sit there and kind of put myself in the position of if i was driving by and saw the car would i pull in or there's enough spots in that parking lot where you could sit in a car sitting in it, and nobody would even realize you were there. So I kind of put myself in that mindset of going, you know what, there is this one spot in that parking lot where you can sit in the dark, nobody can see you, but you can see
Starting point is 00:38:30 traffic coming from both sides. And you can also tell if there are multiple people in the vehicle or just a single person. So in Jane's case, he would have been able to see that it was a single woman pulling into the parking lot. Because we did sit down with Jane and ask her, did she remember the car, are actually pulling into the parking lot. And does she remember which angle it came in? And she could not quite remember.
Starting point is 00:38:55 So that's one of those where there's no clear evidence as to, was he just driving by or was he possibly hanging out there in that parking lot? All right, Jane, I'm going to ask you something and I'm going to offer you something. I happen to know the world's best forensic artist. If you would like to redo the composite or if you would like to do what we call an age progression, I would be willing to get that done for you. So you just think about that.
Starting point is 00:39:36 Because if you don't think that that composite is good enough, you need to add ears, if the hair, is not right if the if you remember something about scars on the face or anything that we need to change we can do that so jane i hear something about a coalition what's that about honey i think i'm going to turn that part over to Amanda because Amanda can explain it way better than I again see y'all that's why having a zone 7 is so important go ahead Amanda we always have each other's backs don't we and she might have just psychically known that I had the press releases actually already printed out right here for reference
Starting point is 00:40:16 just to make sure I got the dates right. Thanks, Jane. Yeah. So with our journey that we've been on with Invisible Tears, obviously we have met some amazing people who are doing advocating for their family as well. So in the spring, late spring, early summer of 2023, myself, Drew, and Jane combined forces with Julie Murray, who is the sister of Mara Murray,
Starting point is 00:40:46 who I'm sure that a lot of people have heard of. Yes, we adore Julie as well, and her entire family. We combined forces with Julie. Also, Shana from Light the Way, she has an amazing advocacy program where she just simply
Starting point is 00:41:04 helps people that are advocating for cases. We also combined with some family members from Trish Haynes family, Valerie Haynes and Carrie Ann Wilson from Trish Haynes family. And what we all did was we all got together. We all hopped on a Zoom and we said, I think we need to form a group. And so what we did was we actually ended up forming the New Hampshire Coalition of Families for the missing and murdered. And we started having annual rallies. And what we do is once a year, or right now I should say it's once year, we gather,
Starting point is 00:41:47 we do a big event mid-August, and we either do it in front of the capital in Concord, New Hampshire. The first one was at the Attorney General's office, but they've since moved that. So it's right in the center of Concord, New Hampshire. We gather. and we speak and we simply bring visibility to all the cases that aren't solved, all the people that are missing. We welcome people speaking at it.
Starting point is 00:42:18 We always make sure and invite the Attorney General's office and any law enforcement that wants to come as well and sort of collaborate with us. But what we're really looking for is we're looking to raise awareness, reformed the victim advocacy program, improved communication with both the state and with investigators, and really just secure justice for victims. Well, Jane, I don't think we can end this thing
Starting point is 00:42:47 without talking about the absolute miracle, the hand-to-God moment within this case. I actually have two miracles. My daughter that I was, was pregnant with survived. She had a rough road. She had to fight for her life for quite a few weeks. She was born a blue baby, so she had no blood pressure. But she fought for her life for a few weeks. She survived. And she's my best friend. And I can't imagine life without her. And she also blessed me with a granddaughter.
Starting point is 00:43:34 Oh, congratulations. So I have an 11-year-old granddaughter, which she is something. She's going through adolescence right now, but she's a sweetheart. Her goal is to advocate for bullying in school. But yeah, my daughter survived, and she tries to. as much as she can. She's a part of everything that we do. She's a part of the coalition. She's she does all the traveling with me when I go to speak at different places. And so yeah, she's amazing. She's she's not had life easy. But she does the best that she can. And I'm grateful for.
Starting point is 00:44:28 and she's the reason why I'm alive I truly believe she wanted to live and that's why I survived my attack Amanda thank you so much for joining us for giving us your insight and just being willing
Starting point is 00:44:46 to help Jane every day I appreciate you oh of course thank you so much and believe me I wouldn't have it any other way I love Jane and I protect her fiercely Oh, you're going to make me cry. Awesome.
Starting point is 00:45:01 I hope my energy is coming through. I hope you can feel it. Oh, you have fantastic energy. You really do. Don't hear that? I'm going to put that on my business card. And Drew, listen, I mean, I love what you're doing. I love the fact that Amanda and Jane call you the glue of what y'all are doing.
Starting point is 00:45:20 I think that's a great title, honey. Thank you very much. It was great talking to you. I don't even have words. I mean, I just not only appreciate you coming and telling your story, again, I know it's not easy. But I think that's why it's so important that we get the word out that the three of you through the Invisible Tears podcast and your coalition and your advocacy that people need to know how to get in touch with and reach you so you can keep helping all these people.
Starting point is 00:45:51 And I appreciate you. I thank you very much for letting us be on your show and telling my story. Y'all, I'm on end Zone 7, the way that I always do with a quote. I was seven months pregnant. I was stabbed 27 times, but not one, to my baby. Jane Boroski. I'm Cheryl McCollum, and this is Zone 7. This is an IHeart podcast.

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