Crime Weekly - S1 Ep50: Amber Jackson: Murder in Paradise

Episode Date: November 12, 2021

Shop for your Crime Weekly gear here --> https://crimeweeklypodcast.com/shop Amber Jackson was a free spirit. Her parents had passed away, and she had no children, save for her beloved two small dogs. Amber grew up in Fairfax, California, but her love of exploring and visiting new places brought her to paradise in 2000, when she packed up her life and moved to Hawaii’s fourth largest island, Kauai, where there were plenty of beaches to wander, and rainforests to explore. There she lived happily for a decade, but on July 3rd, 2010, Amber’s decomposing remains were found in a remote ravine, and responding law enforcement officials knew that Amber’s life had ended due to foul play, more specifically, a great deal of blunt force trauma to her head and face. Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/c/CrimeWeeklyPodcast Website: CrimeWeeklyPodcast.com Instagram: @CrimeWeeklyPod Twitter: @CrimeWeeklyPod Facebook: @CrimeWeeklyPod

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save for her beloved two small dogs. Amber grew up in Fairfax, California, but her love of exploring and visiting new places brought her to paradise in 2000, when she packed up her life and moved to Hawaii's fourth largest island, Kauai, where there were plenty of beaches to wander and rainforests to explore. There she lived happily for a decade. But on July 3rd, 2010, Amber's decomposing remains were found in a remote ravine. And responding law enforcement officials knew that Amber's life had ended due to foul play.

More specifically, a great deal of blunt force trauma to her head and face. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Crime Weekly. I'm Stephanie Harlow. And I'm Derek Levasseur. So today we're actually, we're covering a case that you investigated on breaking homicide. Yep. A few, did a few there. Did a few cases there?

Yeah. A few cases on BH. And you actually got to go to Hawaii for this one. Yes, I did. And you wish you were going under better circumstances, but Kauai is a beautiful place. And Derek was showing me wood carvings he got when he was in Hawaii and they were really cool. Yeah. And now we know that Derek likes wood carvings. I do me wood carvings he got when he was in Hawaii they were really cool yeah now we know that Derek likes wood carvings I do like wood carvings any wood carvers out there

I love uh obviously original pieces but um but yeah when I went to um both Oahu and Kauai I I got a piece from each place and if you were following me on Instagram during those times you got to see it because I make it a point to find the original artists and try to take a selfie or something with them or at least have them at least carve their names in the pieces. So what we need to do now, guys, is we need to find reasons to go to different countries so Derek can get more wood carvings. I'm not going to argue with you there. Well, today's case, actually, it's very disturbing. And it's driving me crazy a little bit that there seems to be a lot of questions I had while I was researching it that went unanswered. So I'm

hoping that while we talk about it today, you can kind of clear some things up and shine a light on things that I was a little in the dark about. Yeah. And as you already know, and I'll say it to everybody who's listening or watching, this is an ongoing investigation, regardless of your own opinions on what should be shared. I did make an agreement with the Kauai Police Department to only share certain things. So there is information that I know that I'm not at liberty to share. I just don't want you guys thinking that I'm doing this intentionally. It's just, you know, it's a, my word is all I got and I don't want to break that even though it's been a couple years since I made, since I made that agreement. You know, you're just doing it to be mysterious. Stop it.

Yes, of course. Not get sued or not be arrested. That too. And keep your word, which is your bond. Yes, keep my word. I mean, you think about it, you know, we don't know what cases we're going to do in the future. And what you don't want, it could be you and I, where we go somewhere and the law enforcement guy goes, hey, I looked you up. And, you know, from what I heard when I called Kauai police, they asked you not to say something. And a year or two later, you were like blurting it out everywhere. I get it, man. Your reputation's everything.

That's all you got. You can't burn bridges. Nope. Well, I want to talk about Amber Jackson today. Amber Jackson was 47 years old when she made the move to Hawaii. This was a place she had visited several times before. She fell in love with it. I think a lot of people kind of have that experience, especially when they leave the mainland and they go to Hawaii. It's a magical place. So while she's in Hawaii, she worked as a secretary for the Hawaii State Teachers Association, but it seems like her real passion was buying property and renovating it. So when she first arrived on the island, she bought the home that she would be living in, and with the help of her best friends in Kauai, their names were Terry and Ken Sepplo, she fixed it up and she decorated it to her tastes.

Now, by the time of her death in 2010, Amber had purchased and renovated four different homes, and Terry Sepplo said that Amber had a really keen eye when it came to decorating, and they'd have fun going shopping at garage sales and thrift shops to furnish and decorate the houses, which all turned out beautifully and true to Amber's unique style. Amber was described as a sweet and generous person, and Terry and Ken Seplow said they had a wonderful relationship with her, and she made living on the island fun. The couple and Amber would meet every week for dinner on the same day and at the same time, like clockwork.

So when she didn't show up on the evening of June 24th, 2010, the Seplos were immediately concerned. Terry Seplos said, quote, Amber was always prompt. And when she didn't show, we started leaving voicemails on her phone and calling her office where she worked, end quote. So dinner had been scheduled that night for 5 p.m. And by 6.30, the Sepplos were calling the hospitals to see if Amber may have been in an accident, but she was nowhere to be found, and she wasn't answering her cell phone. At some point during that evening, in between calling Amber and checking hospitals, Terry, who had just seen Amber two days prior during a hike

they went on together, she called a man named Greg Glazer. Now, Amber lived alone in her home, but she'd allowed Greg Glazer to live on her property in, I guess, this little hut or a yurt is what he called it. So did you see this yurt, by the way? So I went there. First off, I didn't even know what a yurt was. But like you said, it's essentially like a hut, but an oversized, like a huge one, like basically a small house. And it's circular in shape. And to answer your question, no, we went to Amber's property, which is now owned by another family. They were very nice. They had no issue with us at least exploring the outside part of the property. It's a big piece of land actually. And the yurt was

about 20 to 30 feet in the back of the property. And it was up on a hill, a higher elevated portion of the property. The yurt was no longer there. It was kind of beaten down over the years with bad storms and weather. And eventually they took it down. The only thing that remained was at certain parts, you could see the exterior of the circular exterior of where the, the yurt was, but it was a lot of, there was a lot of overgrowth at that point. So you could see the point that the reason we did it, sorry to cut you off there was because I wanted to see if you could see Amber's house from where the yurt was. That's what I was going to ask you. But would you be able to hear something if there was something going on?

And to answer that question, it wasn't as close as I would have liked it to be to say definitively, yes, you would hear, yes, you would see. But it wasn't too far away where it would be impossible. But if you were inside the yurt and you were watching something or listening to something or not paying attention, I could see how you might miss it. How far would you say the yurt was from the main house? Yeah, it was like 20, 30 feet. I think I said it was about 20, maybe 30 feet max.

Not far. And you said it's on an elevated area, so probably had a pretty good view of the main house. Yes and no. It was a wooded area. And so there was a little path you would take to get up to it. Now, mind you, I was there almost 11 years later. So it might have been different, more well-kept when I was there. But when I was there, the woods were blocking your view from the main house. But from photos that I saw of the yurt, you could see the yurt from Amber's home. So again, at that time, I do think it would be in sight if you were looking into her house. And I also think that if you were outside or you didn't have any music or TV on in the yurt, you would be able to hear or see something going on on the outside.

So he had electricity in this yurt? Yes, I believe so. Absolutely. Solar power or whatever, but he lived there like full time. I mean, it's a good question. I can't tell you, I did say TV or radio, right? But I never confirmed whether he had any type of electricity there. So I guess it's an assumption on my part but i could tell you wasn't staying there as like a temporary stay when i saw photos of the year it had like a bar it was like a really nice setup on the inside it was like high end so i'm assuming there was some type of electricity because he had lighting in there and stuff um was it like connected to the power of the house or was it solar powered i I couldn't tell you, but my assumption is that he had running water and electricity

there because he was living there full time. Well, the relationship between Greg Glazer and Amber kind of interesting, right? Greg was very interesting. Oh yeah. Odd, but I don't know how they met either. I'm not sure if you can give me some insight on that no no i can't remember off the top of my head how they met i really can't it was an odd relationship and i'm sure you're gonna get into it but he was like 20 years younger than her yeah he was roughly

20 years younger than amber and uh you know he was he's been described as like your typical sort of hippie surfer dude you know 100 the kind of guy who would live in a yurt full-time 1000 like i saw him and i was like okay yeah that makes sense you know and know 100 the kind of guy who would live in a yurt full-time 1000 like i saw him and i was like okay yeah that makes sense you know and he even talks kind of like that like you know just chill like stretches his words out like he's high all the time so which is fine i mean i'm completely support that but um he wasn't always chill, right? Because Terry, Amber's friend, she recalled Amber telling her about Greg's fitful rages. Amber had told Terry that there would be times when Greg would lose his temper, he would fly into a rage, and he would scream and rant so loudly that Amber

would have to tell him to keep it down or else the neighbors might think he was abusing her. So it's well known that Amber and Greg were friends, and they would, you know, sometimes spend time together. So Terry had called him to find out if he'd seen Amber, but he claimed that he'd thought Amber was with the Seplos, and he hadn't seen her all day. So Terry decided to drive to Amber's house, check things out for herself.

But on her way to Amber's house, she passed Greg driving the other way down the street in his white Jeep Wagoneer. So she stopped. She rolled down her window and Terry basically told Greg, listen, like we can't get a hold of Amber. We are really worried about Amber. No one knows where she is. And the way that Greg behaved at that moment scared Terry. She claims he took both of his hands and he began pounding them on the steering wheel and screaming at the top of his lungs. So she rolled up her window and kept driving. At Amber's house, nothing seemed out of place.

And Amber's 2001 Honda CRV was parked in the driveway. So at this point, Terry called the police and reported her best friend missing. Yeah, it was interesting with Greg. And I know we're going to get there, but I had the opportunity to interview him. He wasn't hostile or violent with me, but I will say he's very aggressive. And, you know, if you watch Breaking Homicide, it's very a small portion of the whole interview, but he's very dramatic and theatrical and he's pounding the table. And he was getting all fired up even

talking about what he would have done if he saw Amber's effect. And this is a long time later, so I can only imagine a younger version of Greg, what he would have been like. Really, really interesting character, really hard to interview because I was trying to keep him focused on the questioning that I was trying to hit him with because I was trying to keep him focused on the questioning that I was trying to hit him with because I was trying to elicit a specific response. He was all over the place. I will tell you this. I found out after, this is something that didn't make the show. If you watch the episode, you'll see him constantly drinking from a little juice bottle. Usually they'll cut that out. It's like OJ. And as he's sitting there

talking to me, I started to smell alcohol. And I realized, I said to him, Craig, are you drinking right now? And he's like, yeah, bro, I needed to calm my nerves, bro. And I was like, okay, I'm looking around. I'm like, did we not check this beforehand? He wasn't drunk during the interview, but that's the type of guy he was um and are you going to talk about the interview are you bringing that up during this oh yeah okay so i'll save some of the other anecdotal things that had to take place in order to get him there because it was crazy but um i actually can't wait because your interview with with greg was one of my favorite parts was one of my favorite parts of the breaking homicide episode because i could tell he's like a live wire man he's all over the place

difficult difficult to keep on track you looked like an impatient parent at some points you were like are you all right dude i wish i had the uncut interview i could just tell in your eyes you were over it at some point. You're like, I can't even contain him at some point. So that was very interesting. Before we dive into that, though, let's take a quick break. Okay, so we're back. And I want to talk about, you know, we'll kind of go back a little bit. Terry Suplo doesn't find Amber at home.

She reports her missing. And the next day, the police searched Amber's house. They took photos. They conducted aerial searches of the area. And Amber's nephew, Matthew Alexander, he flew in from Atlanta, Georgia to help the search. He and his aunt were very close. He'd just seen her six months prior when he and some friends had visited Amber to do some surfing on the island. Now, initially, Matthew said that they were all very

worried that Amber may have gone hiking and gotten lost or fallen and hurt herself, but there was no sign of her anywhere, and the police found her purse and cell phone inside her vehicle parked in the driveway of her home, and law enforcement found no sign of a struggle or signs of blood inside the house. The assistant chief of police, Bryson Ponce, said, quote, it looked suspicious. Something seemed off. Her car was still at home. Some of her personal items were still in her car. It just seemed strange. End quote. Yeah, they did. You know, in the visuals, you guys will see the pictures probably come up here. But in the they actually did luminol testing, all that stuff. So it wasn't just what they were able to see with their eyes. They did some further testing of of the Amber's house and found no signs of blood. It's also worth noting that in the yurt, they did the same thing and there were strong remnants of bleach. Oh, that wasn't in the episode.

It was not. It was not. Nope. A lot of it doesn't make the show. Not saying it's right or wrong, but there are things that as we're talking about it, I'm remembering that there was signs of a cleaning agent in the yurt. And his response was obviously, I just cleaned not too long ago. And you're talking agent in the yurt. And his response was, obviously, I just cleaned not too long ago. And you're talking about Greg's yurt? Greg's yurt, yes. Okay. Okay. So that's interesting. It was very interesting. Absolutely. Definitely something worth noting, that's for sure. I'm glad you noted it. So she's missing, right? They're looking for her. They can't find her. And unfortunately, nine days later, on July 3rd, 2010, Amber's decomposing body was found in a heavily forested and very isolated area on the island. She'd been discovered by a pig hunter and his dogs. The dogs had apparently led the hunter to her body, which was located roughly 30 yards down in a ravine. And it was clear due

to the level of decomposition that Amber had died shortly after she went missing. So this wasn't a situation where she'd been taken and held for a while because she was so badly decomposed. We probably assume that she was killed shortly after she was missing. Yeah, we can usually tell, you know, pathologists can usually tell based on, and we've talked about this in previous episodes. I think by this point, everybody who is on this journey with us is that we talk about these different cases knows that there are things at this point that you can tell, whether it's fly larvae elements surrounding the area that you can look at a body. And because of their experience in dealing with cases similar to this in the past, they can narrow it down pretty quickly as to how

long the body has been decomposing and it aligned with the date that she disappeared. And listen, I've never been to Hawaii. I would love to go. But as of this point, I never have been. But this is July. It's Hawaii. I'm going to assume it's hot, very hot and moist, right? It's a humid place because you're right on the water. There's a lot of like rainforest. There's a lot of trees and stuff which hold the moisture. So you're going to see a speedy decomposition in those climates. There's a ravine right there.

Yeah. And you think about if you've ever been to a lake or a stagnant body of water where insects and things like that, you know, imagine just flesh being out there. You know, it's going to be everything's going to be attracted to it, including other animals in the area. Well, there's something interesting is she had the autopsy and they said there was no sign of sexual assault or sexual activity. She was fully dressed, but she was barefoot and her shoes were missing. And they said there was no sign of sexual assault or sexual activity. She was fully dressed, but she was barefoot and her shoes were missing. There were also tire tracks found at the scene that were photographed. But apparently at that time, the Kauai Police Department did not have the resources to make casts of the tire tracks.

So all they were able to do was photograph them. The autopsy showed that Amber had died from blunt force trauma to the right side of her face, and essentially the entire side of her face had been crushed in, most likely with an elongated and heavy object like a baseball bat or a large piece of wood. It's believed that she sustained this injury while the left side of her face was pressed against something that kept it still and stabilized. So like a hard, solid surface. Yeah. And you know, it's not hard to kind of see how they come to that conclusion, because if your head has the ability to move, it will absorb some of that blunt force. But when your head is in a position where it can't retreat at all,

the only thing that can absorb that blow is your bones. And her face was severely damaged. I remember sitting down with the forensic pathologist, Conte Diaz. She's done over a thousand court testimonies in regards to pathology. She's excellent. She's one of the best in the world. And I've spoken about her before. And she said it right out on camera and off camera that this

assault was severe. It may have even been multiple blows based on the spurring of the bones. She wasn't able to determine that definitively, but she did a great diagram of the injuries and what bones had been fractured or broken. And it was a lot. Yeah, it was a brutal attack, a brutal attack that I would say in the experience that I have did not come from a stranger. If you're going to hurt or hit somebody like that, it's personal. There's emotion behind it. There's true rage and anger behind it. And I don't understand how because I'm looking at all of these interviews with people who knew Amber and not one person had anything bad to say about her. In fact, most of these people said she was the sweetest person. She never had anything bad to say about anybody. She was a hard worker.

She always held a job. She was there to help anybody who needed it. She was fun loving. She was kind the job. She was there to help anybody who needed it could have been a situation where she fought back and the person had to improvise and how they carried out their attack. It's possible. I'd like to think she fought back. I would like to think that this wasn't something where she was caught off guard or it was unexpecting. But I do agree with your assessment as far as this appears to be someone who was enraged and wanted to hurt Amber, not just kill her.

Maybe just in the moment they wanted to hurt her. But I can't imagine what a stranger, what the motive for a stranger would be, because as far as I know, nothing was taken from her. Her purse, her phone was in her car. No signs of a robbery. She wasn't sexually assaulted. So not many strangers just approach somebody and beat them, beat their faces in for no reason, just because they want to.

We looked into past people that she could have had altercations with. This is where I have to be careful. So I can tell you this. The Kauai Police Department had access to her phone records and her internet history um there were a couple things that could have been something where she might have encountered

someone we looked down that road and there was nothing there either and again i know i'm being kind of like really wishy-washy here cryptic i'm cryptic what do you mean specifically things she encountered like people she met or altercations she had? would interact with who's a stranger, but you have business with, where that person, you could eventually come in contact with this person for something legitimate, even though that person has nefarious intentions. So there may have been some things where she was doing some stuff online that might've caused her to encounter a stranger, but there was no, based on her phone records, those things never took place. Oh, so dead ends. Dead ends. This information was shared with me. These are all things that were investigated. There doesn't appear to be anybody that evening that she was conversating with by phone or by

text that at this point has been not identified. Thank you for anticipating one of my questions, because that is exactly what I wanted to know. Yes. Because you've got her car at home, her phone in her car. So you would think if she's and no blood found in the house, right? They did luminol, everything. So you'd think either she was attacked at home, unsuspecting, not expecting someone to be there, because you'd think if she had invited someone over, if she planned to meet somebody out, there'd be some sort of communication on her cell phone. 100%. But there was nothing. But also, it doesn't appear as if her home was a crime scene. It doesn't appear it was a crime scene based on the lack of blood. But I don't want to steal the thunder here, but I'm sure you're going to get into the things from her house that day that were very suspicious. No.

You're not going there. Because that wasn't in the episode and I found it nowhere. No, there's stuff in the episode as far as in her house, in the kitchen. Oh, yes. There's the broken car. Is this in the, I don't want to get ahead of us. It is. Okay, so I'll wait. I'll wait on going there. Well, obviously, one of the first people that you wanted to talk to while you were in Kauai in regards to Amber's murder was her friend, Greg Glazer, the surfer guy who lived in a yurt on Amber's property.

Because not only were you told by the Seppalos that Greg was known to have a temper, but they also told you that Amber had mentioned something to them about a weapon he had that he called his protector. And they said it was like maybe a bat or a pipe of some kind. And since Amber's autopsy showed she'd been killed by some sort of heavy weapon, the potential connection was obvious. Additionally, a friend of Amber's, her name was Nancy Murphy, she told the media that Amber was, quote, thinking of trying to move back to the Bay Area, mainly to get away from a boyfriend who lived on her property, end quote. So you went and spoke to Greg in person, and Greg claimed that he had found out Amber was missing through her friend Terry, and the last time he'd seen Amber was the night before, June 23rd, and they had dinner together in his yurt. Greg Glazer said that he and Amber had been best friends for a few years. They were best friends who sometimes had

sex, but he claimed there was no serious relationship between them. It was just drunken fun once in a while. On the evening that they had dinner, Greg said Amber was behaving completely normally. She was happy, in a good mood. They met up for dinner around 7 or 8 p.m. and after they had eaten, Greg asked Amber if she wanted to have sex and she said no. And then he said he watched her walk almost all the way back to the main house where she lived. So something I noticed from this interview between you and Greg was that he seemed really reticent to admit to you that he'd asked Amber for sex that night. He didn't seem to have a problem admitting to you that they did occasionally have sex.

He was very open about that, but he seemed less willing to reveal that he had propositioned her that evening and that she had turned him down. And now we know Greg was probably the last person to see Amber alive. Right. That's that's what we concluded, that he was, in fact, the last person known to have seen her alive. He was kind of like goofy when he said like, oh, yeah, and I tried to have sex with her and she she wasn't having it. And he like even like made a little bit of like he was like imitating the voice or whatever and it was a little strange and you could you could take it a couple different ways like we talk about baselines

right when you're interviewing someone and we we really got into it as far as like you're looking for something that deviates from their normal behavior throughout the conversation. And with Greg, it was very difficult because as we've already established, he had so many different things that I was trying to absorb and notate of like his baseline behavior. But he was so erratic. I really couldn't get a solid baseline. But to what we were just saying, the one thing I did notice that was a little odd and you pointed it out. So clearly you noticed as well. He did have this demeanor throughout the conversation

that was erratic, but when it came to the, to the discussing the fact that he was turned down, essentially his mannerism did change from everything else. And you could take that a few ways. It was just, he was embarrassed by saying he got turned down or was it something that made him uncomfortable? And then you have to ask yourself by unpacking it, why would that make him uncomfortable? Is it uncomfortable because that was possibly a motive for an assault when he was turned down? I don't know. But that is a very good example of trying to establish a baseline during a conversation, asking an uncomfortable question that may elicit a lie and having someone display a behavior that that's not your quote unquote normal behavior when someone

lies, but just different from what they've been doing or displaying the entire time you were speaking. That makes sense. I almost felt like he knew it looked suspicious, right? Like, oh, yeah, yeah. He was self-aware of the fact that the the night she goes missing possibly he asks her if she wants to have sex she says no and this is basically the last interaction that they have and so if you think about it she's missing she

turns up dead he's the last person to see her they they're having sex on the regular that night she says no and now he's like oh shit to see her they they're having sex on the regular that night she says no and now he's like oh shit this looks pretty bad doesn't it you know i it was almost childlike the way he answered like he got all bashful yeah he got all bashful and like weird about it even though just moments before i mean i don't know what it was like in the interview because i'm sure they cut it but just moments before that he was all like yeah you know it sucks sometimes it's just a drunken thing fun fun and then when he's talking about being rejected by her he got very like bashful and childlike and couldn't even make eye contact with you really yeah and that was the only time that he displayed that behavior even in the

cut footage the backstory behind that and this happens on a lot of the cases that we did on breaking homicide so he wasn't even in kawai. He lives on another island. I'm not going to say where, but he lives with his wife and son. And it took about a week before I flew out to Kauai and the week while I was there, we're literally up to the moment we were trying to convince him to come over and tell his story. And he was super anxious. He was like, I'm going to get arrested as soon as I land. You guys are going to lock me up for something and pin this on me. I know it. And the only way he agreed to come was if we also paid for his wife and son to fly over. So it was kind of like

this awkward thing. And I talk about it with you guys in the past, as far as like building a relationship with people, even if you don't truly like them. And I remember like going over and like giving him a hug. Cause that's a lot of Hawaii tradition. Like you have to embrace this person. So they're comfortable enough to speak with you on camera. So getting him to Kauai and getting him to actually sit down and interview us with us was such an undertaking. We were just so shocked that he was even willing to do it. We didn't think there was a world where he was going to get on the plane. And I remember filming a scene and like our producer running down as I'm in the middle of filming a scene with like thumbs up going, he just checked in on his flight. He just checked that he's on the plane. And I was like, I can't believe this guy's coming, but he did. And we got, you know, it wasn't the best interview, but it was good to get him in person to kind of see what people were talking about. And when, when Terry was telling me about how erratic he was, I absolutely saw it in person. I don't think you wouldn't be able to not see it.

So do you think, uh, Terry story of her mentioning to him that Amber's missing and they're worried. I don't think you wouldn't my emotions and I don't know how to express myself in like a normal manner. Exactly. That's the question that we were asking around the, no, as I told you guys, I talk with my producers all the time. It's like that exact question. Like, was this a sign of him being enraged or him acting like a child? Like you said, there's no other better way to say it.

Should I tell, I know we have to take a break. Should I tell the story of the one that I told you earlier, before or after about me taking off with him? Let's do it after. Yeah, we'll do a break and I got an interesting story for you guys. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back.

Okay. So we're back from break. So again, we really are trying to solve these cases. And I knew I had Greg for one day and we talked a lot on camera, but then, you know, we also spoke off camera. We were all eating lunch together and he's sitting there with me and he's going, yeah, bro. Yeah, bro. I still know where my car is. Like they had, you know, they, they searched my car, but they gave it back to me and I know where I left it. I left it on the island. He said they came by. They didn't like, they went through his car. They went through

his car. They told, they told me he did as well. They didn't do like a thorough, like luminol, all this stuff shirt, but they absolutely rummaged through his car whether it was illegal illegal i don't even know at this point but i know the day of they were looking through his car because he was he wasn't happy about it and that's how this conversation kind of came up and you know he's not big on authorities at all they're on the island in general the natives are not big on authority and all that stuff they do not like police. Sounds like I need to move there. You know what I mean?

So we're sitting there having lunch and he kind of throws out this thing like, oh, I know where my car is still. And I'm like, I want that car. So I didn't think about it, but I grabbed my rental and I jumped in the car with him. And we start driving around Kauai and he's trying to show me the spot. And we did find it and i i actually believe him because where he said it was it did look like there was an overgrowth and like there had been a big object there for a very long time and they must have just towed his car or threw it away because it had been abandoned for so many years but i didn't tell anybody i was

going so i had i didn't have my phone, nothing. Producers are calling me. They're thinking like Greg might've just killed me. And they're like looking for me. They were so mad at me when I got back. But the reason I bring the story up is we really did use as much resources as we could. And I tried to squeeze as much information out of Greg during the time I had him. And I only had him for like six hours because he had a flight in the morning and he did not want to stay on the island. He was like, I want to be back on a flight home right after the interview. And he said that was, you know, reasons where he had people on the island that didn't like him. And he also was very wary of the police.

But fascinating. It was that was a crazy case. Yeah, but you realize like he could have killed you, you dumbass. You could just be driving off with strangers randomly on an island without your phone. What's wrong with you? In hindsight, it wasn't the best idea. But to be fair, I had like a few hours with him at that point. He would have been an absolute fool to kill me because literally i was just with him and

who's he gonna blame it on is he gonna throw me up near the in the woods and try to say it wasn't him so it would have been really stupid his wife and son little cute boy by the way were there yeah because your interview with him was sending you all the signals that he is a super stable not stable also not to be a tough guy but guy, but you can't really tell from the interview, but Greg Glazer's like four feet tall. No, he's not four feet tall. He's super small. He was a little guy. I have a picture with him. He's very tiny. You like to take pictures with everyone, man. The wood carvers, the suspects. It was a picture he wanted that he had our producer take. And, um, and again, he was a, he was a little guy not saying like, you know, he couldn't have done something to me. It wasn't the smartest decision.

And again, the only reason I bring it up wasn't to make light of a bad, a very serious topic, but it was not only did what you see in the show happen, there was so much more where we're like, we have them here. Let's try to hold his feet to the fire I was grilling him. I was grilling him off camera I even at one point I swear on my kids I look at him after we couldn't find the car and we're sitting there and I was like really trying to like Make him because he was kind of a religious person and we're sitting in the car And we're just parked And i'm like listen, man, you know, I really like you.

And I think you're a good guy and your wife and kid are amazing, but you fucking killed her. We know you did. You might have to bleep that out, obviously. But I said, you could tell me they can't pin it on you. You fucking killed her. And he looks at me and goes, and he starts crying and shaking he's like bro i didn't do it this is like ruined my life i didn't do it i'm not saying whether i believe him or not but i was like we had such a good drive and we were talking about all these things i just looked at him i'm like there's no cameras i'm not you know you fucking killed her dude you got upset it was you and he he never broke never broke broke. You didn't even have your phone. So I mean,

you're brave. You drive off with a suspect alone in the car, no cell phone, no one knows where you are. And you're like, just confess. It wasn't the smartest thing. But when he said, I know where the car is, I was like, he's just saying that he's calling my bluff. And I was like, all right, let's go get it right now. He's like, really? I'm like, yeah, let's go. And he didn't bat an eye. He didn't even bat an eye when I said that.

He's like, all right, cool. Let's go. Can I bring my sandwich? And I was like, yeah, of course. And so there was never a point where like I called him out on something as erratic as he was and he didn't like follow through with it. Well, I think it's interesting because you also asked Greg and we talked about this a little bit at the start of the episode. You asked him if he'd seen or heard anything strange at Amber's house that

night that he had dinner with her or the next morning. And Greg, he insisted, he said, I did not because if I had, I would have run right up there, even if it meant putting himself in danger and he would have been her attacker to a pulp.

Now he used different language, obviously. I highly suggest he would have been a rock star a pulp. Now, he used different language, obviously. I highly suggest. He said he would have been a rock star, bro. Yeah, he did. He did. I highly suggest that if you haven't seen this episode, you should watch it. It's on Discovery Plus.

It's the last season of Breaking Homicide, correct? Most recent season. Yep. It's like literally the last episode of the most recent season. Yeah. And Greg, he's like, yeah, man, I just would have gone in there. I don't care. I would have taken them all out. And so he says he didn't see anything, which is kind of confusing because he did say he saw her walk almost all the way to the main house.

And that's why I asked you, could you see the yurt from the main house or the main house from the yurt? And you said at the point you were there, you really couldn't see the entire journey. No, but there was definitely overgrowth. And again, he had pictures from the yurt at that time and then from her house looking at the yurt because they had kind of built it up and you could definitely see it was prominent on that higher land. So I do think at the time you could probably see it very clearly because it was again, prominent on that higher land. So I do think at the time you could probably see it very clearly because it was, again, it was a big structure. It sounds like a little hut, but it wasn't. So let me ask you another question. Now, one of Amber's friends said

she was thinking about going back to the Bay Area to get away from a boyfriend that lived on her property. We're going to assume that she means Greg, right? Because this is the only man who's living on her property and she's sleeping with him occasionally. Now, he says it's not that serious. This isn't a relationship. It's just drunk and fun sometimes. But obviously, at this point, it's his word and Amber's not there to say whether it was something more. Did you get the impression that it was something more, that it was more of a long-term relationship, that there may have been some emotional feelings there from him to her, and he was sort of downplaying what their relationship was in

order to look maybe less suspicious? I think that's fair. There was a photo that I saw specifically, which was them on a beach. It looked like a romantic dinner. They're sitting there. He's dressed up. She's kind of dressed up. They're kind of looking at each other. It's a really nice photo. It doesn't seem like two friends with benefits. It seemed like a little bit more to the extent. I don't know. But I would definitely think it's fair to say at some point they were deaf and they were boyfriend and girlfriend. Yeah, I agree. I agree. But obviously, if he says, yeah, she was my girlfriend, now this puts him higher on the suspect list because as we know, statistics show that the romantic partner is more likely to be the culprit of a murder.

Yeah, I agree. And I think whether he's guilty or not, that may be something that you downplay because for the reasons you just said, right? Even if you didn't do it, it's going to make you look more guilty by admitting that. So that could be his rationale for playing it down. Absolutely. And it was also revealed that the police had looked into Greg. They had brought three police dogs into his home or his yurt, as well as a CSI team, but they didn't find anything. But you're telling me that it did look like there had been bleach used that he had cleaned recently. Yes, it did look like there was some type of cleaning agent used just for the floor, which is important because it did look like the whole floor had been done, which doesn't suggest one thing or the other. signs of cast off where whatever object he was using after the first blow, there will be blood bodily fluids on the object that when you cast it back, those will fly off and hit the wall or some

other area. I was hoping maybe he, there was, if there's bleach on your walls, you got some, there's some problems there, but as you know, a lot of people do bleach their floors, you know? So I don't, I think it's a little bit of a coincidence but it's not completely out of the realm of perfectly normal behavior because some people yeah they do choose to bleach their floors yeah you know greg didn't strike me as that i'm gonna bleach my floors type of guy personally it's so odd it's so odd i wish i had these photos still his his his yurt was pristine impeccable impeccable year it was it was literally like you could it looked like you could eat off the floor right so as as much as i believe you and i agree with you from the interview i was shocked to see what the inside of this yurt looked

like at you know when it was in its prime all right it was like his it was his he was very proud of his yurt. Aw. I kind of want to like live in a yurt now just to see what it's like. Cause I was. I'm not trying to find the photos. It was really, it was actually really cool. Yeah, I want to see the photos because the,

the way I've always seen a yurt is this kind of like upscale camping. Like I know it's large and it's round, but it's usually just like a structure. And then there's sort of like the yurts I've seen, there's not even like solid walls. It's like almost a, a heavy fabric sort of like a structure. And then there's sort of like the yurts I've seen, there's not even like solid walls. It's like almost a heavy fabric, sort of like a tent, but in like a dome shape. It might have been fabric on the walls, but interior wise, he had like a homemade bar, like a bar top and stuff like he he decked it out. That's so cool. But OK, so they check his yurt

and he told you in the episode that they had not checked the vehicle he drove, which was a white and wood paneled Jeep Wagoneer. But you're saying they did. They sort of like looked inside to see if there's anything suspicious, but they didn't do any forensics. It was like a cursory search. It was very. Yes, they never seized the vehicle or got a search warrant to search it. No, that is true. Now, Greg also told the police he would take a polygraph, but then he asked for a lawyer. And so in the end, he never ended up taking the polygraph. And according to Greg, he believes the police were trying to railroad him, maybe like use the polygraph to scare him into confessing to something, kind of like you did in the car with him, right?

A little bit, yeah. Yeah, a little bit. But when he asked for a lawyer, apparently they backed off and they didn't bring up the polygraph again yeah they you know they definitely believed greg was their guy there's no doubt about it they uh you know i don't want to say had tunnel vision but they you know based on how he how he was acting this you know the the specifics of the case you know him being the last person with her. It was like either A, you did it,

or B, you know who did it because it appears based on how she was found, she left her house. This wasn't like she was out and about and got taken by someone. It looks like she was in sweatpants too, by the way. It wasn't like she was dressed up or whatever. So suggest that she was at home when whatever happened happened. And in for the night, right? Like settled in for the night, yeah. the way it wasn't like she was dressed up or whatever so suggest that she was at home when

whatever happened happened and in front of the night right like settled in for the night yeah yeah she wasn't done up and out for the night and she was found in like a dress or so you know most people would come to the conclusion that greg was either involved or he knows who was involved because it would have been hard you would think if there was a struggle going on if there was an altercation for him by the way there's nobody else around this isn't like a city you would hear screaming and yelling and for him to not have heard anything and he admits he never left that evening so he claims he never left that evening claims thank you he claims he never left so i could see why they were definitely you know had their target set on him. But he claims he was just being, you know,

targeted for no reason and that it was not justified. Now, is it possible because he couldn't see her walk all the way home that she may have been snatched on her way back from the to her house like she didn't even get back inside? Yeah, I think that's possible. And I even have made, you know, a case for a theory where she had had sex with him in the past, right? Yeah. Willingly. It was a relationship. Yes. You know, could she have not had sex with him this evening because he just was trying not to, you know, give him that anymore. She was not trying to pursue that with him anymore. She wanted something more. He wasn't going to give it to her maybe. And therefore she's like, well, guess what? I'm not having sex with you anymore or whatever reason. But I threw out this other scenario where it's like, what if she was having an early dinner with Greg and she had plans later that evening with someone else. And you know, maybe she chose not to have sex with Greg because she was going to meet up with another man. I have no evidence of that. I had nothing come up during the investigation that would suggest that happened, but we are going to get into another prominent

theory where something like this would have to be the case for that to have happened. That's the only reason I bring it up. Or she just didn't want to have sex then. I mean, she was like in her 50s, right? Like almost in her, like 47, right? What? Do you have 50? You don't want to have sex anymore? I don't know. Like, I just feel like when you get older, it's like, I'd rather go home and, you know, watch Grey's Anatomy or something. I don't know. Again, it's all possible. But, you know, when you're trying to think, okay, let's imagine a world where he didn't do it. Somebody else would have had to have come to that property. Yes.

And why would that be? There's nothing in her phone records that suggests she was like communicating with someone where they were going to pick her up. No. So how would Greg have not have seen this? Well, to what you just asked, what if she walked right out and went into a car? Yeah. And he didn't see that.

You know, she got picked up by someone. That's why she left when she did. Yeah. We don't know. We honestly don't know. Well, you also asked Greg about his weapon, right? The one he allegedly called his protector. But Greg, he claimed ignorance about this weapon. He was like, I don't know what you're talking about. Like, I don't have any weapon. I definitely don't have a protector. He said,

I don't have a protector. That's exactly what he said. And, you know, obviously, we've already talked about this during this interview. Greg Glazer seemed very agitated. He was upset. Was his behavior something that made you feel he could be a solid person of interest? Did you believe him when he said he didn't have a weapon? He called his protector. Did you feel he was being completely honest and upfront with you because i feel like you don't you don't get a reputation for having a weapon that you call your protector from nowhere like it's not just something people make up right nope didn't believe him one bit even the way he responded like a lot of the times you'll like answer a question with a question when you're trying to buy an extra second like i didn't i didn't buy it at all i think he had one i don't know if it had anything to do with the crime. But again, to what we were saying earlier, to admit you had something like that, whether you're guilty or not,

is not going to be a good look for you. But lying about it isn't going to be a good look for you either. Yeah. Yeah, no, I agree. But at this point, whatever happened to it, nobody's been able to find it.

And he's probably pretty confident no one will. I mean, depending on where it is, he might have burned the thing up. So after you talked to him, you kind of did feel like there was something there because you ended up going through his garbage. Right. And you removed some cotton rounds from the garbage like the kind you used to remove makeup from your face. And you said this to the police when you handed it to them. You were like here because Derek goes through Greg's garbage right and they show it in the show and he's like pulling this stuff out of the garbage and then he hands it to the kawaii police and he's like here this is like he used this to take his makeup off it was it was makeup removers right

so we're sitting at dinner and I'm thinking to myself, how we, you know, we should have asked them for his DNA. And then I said to our makeup artist, you know, Marisa, I said, hey, you always keep everyone's a little plastic bag for each person. Like you keep them separate. Did you do one for for Greg? And she's like, yeah, but I threw it in the trash can right where we were doing the interview. So I go over to that trash can. It's already empty. So then I call the hotel and I'm like, hey, the dumpster that's all, you know, on the outside of the property, you know, when does that get picked up? And they said

tomorrow. And we already emptied the trash for the night. I spent three and a half hours finding that thing. And I was so pissed. They only included like 10 seconds of it 10 seconds if that man it looked like you just bent over and you were like here you go i was over there three hours and hotel staff came out and actually said to me like what are you doing like there's trash all over the place because i had it all in like organized piles and i was like organized piles of trash yes of stuff i had already checked and stuff that I still had to go through. And literally because the producers weren't helping me. That's for damn sure. And I was like, I lost my wife's wedding ring.

Okay. And they like, oh, okay. Continue to do what you're doing, sir. And I found it eventually because I found his bag, which was obviously what would be used to authenticate. That was his stuff. And it was, yeah, it was the makeup remover wipes and like those oil padding wipes. So, yeah. So it was the makeup that they removed off of his face after you were done filming because

they put makeup on his face for the cameras. Right. Makeup. There was makeup swabs like the little, you know, like those little triangles you use. And then it was also the blue like oil dabbing wipes that we'd use to keep get the sheen off of someone. And this would have his DNA on it. Absolutely.

Yeah. It's all a sweat and oils. Right. So then you give it to the Kauai police and you're like, here, now you have something to compare. If you have DNA from, you know, from Amber's body or from the crime scene, now you have something to compare this to. Yeah. And I don't want to get ahead again, but they I can't say it, but I will tell you there were things found with Amber that could potentially belong to the killer.

Yes. So Derek and I did discuss this earlier because I was researching the case and I saw that in 2020 they had sent DNA off to be federally tested for this case 10 years after the case happened. And so I said, wait, if they're sending something to be DNA tested, then obviously they collected DNA at the scene of some kind, whether it was touch DNA or saliva or something or hair or something. They have something. And so I had called you and I was like, do they have something? Do you know? And you said, well, I can't really go into specifics. But we know at least that they believe they have something that could possibly have the attacker's DNA on it. And now they have something from the scene. And now with what I provided, they have something from a potential suspect. To compare.

Yeah. And again, it was all legal, abandoned property. I wasn't an agent of the state. It was abandoned property at that point, and I turned it over voluntarily. Yo, Greg Glazer's like watched that episode after, and he's like, I thought you were my friend, Derek. You know, I don't even know. Like I said, I don't know where, I don't think Greg probably even watched the show, to be honest with you. He doesn't seem like a guy who's, he's a different type of person.

He watched the show, man. You think so? Yep. I didn't get a text.'s, he's a different type of person. He watched the show, man. You think so? Yep. I didn't get a text. Guys, weigh in on the comments. Did Greg Glazer watch? What do you mean you didn't get a text? You got Greg's number?

I had Greg's number, yeah. Do you not have it now? Can we call him? Put him on speaker? I have two phones. One was my phone for investigations. One's my personal phone. I don't even, you know, maybe one day I'll give you my personal number.

Yeah, you're probably just doing that I'll give you my personal number. Yeah. You're probably just doing that thing that you do with suspects where you try to build a relationship with them, even though you don't really like them. You're probably doing that with me this whole time. It's I mean, I'm putting in work. We're about a year later. I'm putting in work. Let's take a quick break and then we'll then we'll get in because there's another suspect. All right. Greg Glazer is not the only potential person of interest. And honestly, in my humble opinion, and I want to see if you feel the same way, I kind of think that this next guy is a little bit better for this crime than poor old Greg there. You might be right. All right, so we're back. We covered Greg Glazer, but I want to talk about the other man who kind of popped up and you were made aware of when you were on the island. And it's you're just you're going 12, 14 hours a day because you only have a short period of time there. So you're constantly juggling phone calls.

And I had received a phone call from Terry Seplow who wanted to fill me in on some new information, not new information, but other information, because I got Greg a lot earlier in the week than I thought I would. So I wanted to explore all options. So Michelle Stewart was a waitress at the time that you were there. She no longer lived in Kauai, but she had information about an individual that Terry had never heard of. So Michelle told Terry that she had lived across the street from a man named Rick Coyne and his wife, Karen. Apparently, Rick Coyne had also disappeared on June 23rd, 2010. And Michelle remembered his wife, wife Karen calling her and asking if she had seen Rick or heard from him. Now, Rick resurfaced the next morning, and he claimed that he had been hiding out on the beach because he'd accidentally hit a parked boat with his truck.

Michelle said she thought it seemed that he had been drinking pretty heavily throughout the night. So Michelle didn't hear from Rick again until he knocked on her door in the middle of the night and woke her up. She claims that he said he needed a favor, and this was no small favor. He needed her help to basically burn his truck because he had hit that boat with it and he wanted to get rid of the evidence, but she said no, and then he left her house. Michelle said the next morning she woke up and then he left her house. Michelle said the next morning she woke up and she went into her living room, and at that point she noticed that some fireworks she had, they were missing. Now, this happened in the middle of the night, like I

said, but this happened in the middle of the night on July 3rd. This is the same day Amber's body had been found in the ravine. So from that timeline, we can conclude that Rick Coyne was knocking on Michelle's door, asking her to help him burn evidence of a crime hours after the news of the discovery of Amber's body had been revealed. Because even if they're not putting it out in the news, word's getting around. Oh, they put out a press release. They did. But I mean, even just hours after she's found, word of mouth is already getting around that she's been found. Yeah.

And if you're concerned about that area, well, then you're already aware of it, right? Exactly. You're constantly being, you know, this was only nine days after her disappearance. So everyone was still on a heightened alert. There were signs of Amber posted everywhere. So whoever her killer was, they were very cognizant of the idea that everyone on the island was looking for Amber Jackson. And shortly after discovering that her fireworks were gone, the Kauai Police Department contacted Michelle and they asked about a report they had from her neighbor, Rick Coyne, a true because, you know, Rick was over here recently asking me if I could help him burn his truck. So the police leave and Michelle goes across the street to pay Rick a visit.

And she's like, dude, where's your truck? And he was like, oh, it's not far. I left it just a block down the road. So Michelle claims that she and Rick's wife, Karen, located the truck, which had significant burn and smoke damage, especially in the backseat. So from like outside the truck, it doesn't look like this truck got burned. You know, it's not like a shell of a truck. But inside, especially in that backseat area the two women spotted some fireworks that had belonged to Michelle, as well as a pair of women's sandals that Michelle claimed Karen told her at that point, those aren't my sandals, like those sandals don't belong to me.

Additionally, Michelle claims that Rick told her he had met Amber Jackson once on the beach one morning while Amber was out for a walk. And shortly after her body was discovered, Rick Coyne got on a plane and he left the island without even telling his wife. So law enforcement did confirm that Rick Coyne's Chevy Avalanche had been reported stolen in 2010, but they also got a report of arson from Rick's wife, Karen,

who said the truck had been burned. So it seems like the police got some conflicting information here. Like Rick said his truck was stolen, but then his wife Karen was, you know, submitting a report with them saying that the truck had been burnt and set on fire. Yeah. So that kind of does work out actually because he reported the truck stolen. But when Michelle, again, this is all according to Michelle, so it's alleged, but when Michelle goes over to confront Rick, Rick says, oh, the car's right down the road. So he doesn't go with them.

But Michelle and Karen go down the road and see that the truck has been burned. And that's when Karen calls police to report that there was an arson of her vehicle. I think you're going to get there but i interviewed them later not to get too much into it but you know he still sticks by the idea that his vehicle was stolen from a mar like a local market in the area a bar he said okay okay a bar which makes a lot of sense because rick rick did like to drink it does make sense but the funny thing about all that is is he sticks to the story that the car was stolen and yet he told michelle where the truck was before the police located it yeah so he's either really in tune with his truck or he knows the people who stole it

or it wasn't or it wasn't stolen at all yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's definitely, in my opinion, definitely lying about the theft of his vehicle. There's there's not even the police acknowledge that nothing added up with that. Yeah. So that's what that's what I'm about to say, because they did an investigation into what had happened to the avalanche. And police found that, like, these different stories were conflicting and like the whole thing didn't make much sense. But no charges were ever brought against Rick Coyne. They did take pictures of the truck and the damage, which

you looked at. We can see it in the show. And it's clear that the origin, the origin of the fire, the place it was started was the backseat. And that's the same place the fireworks and the sandals had been located. I don't understand trying to like burn your truck with fireworks, I guess. I think he was trying to figure out a way where it would make sense why the truck was on fire. Like, oh my God, my cigarette must have ignited one of the fireworks. It was an accident type thing, you know, but it doesn't make sense. It's not the best way to do it, Rick. No, no, no, no, no, no. I agree. The police also said that they believed the fireworks did belong to Michelle Stewart, Rick's neighbor across the street, and they found her to be a credible source of information.

So during the show, you were able to speak to Rick and his wife, Karen, on the phone. They no longer live in Hawaii. They're still together and married. And they both told you that they did not know Amber Jackson at all. They'd never had any interactions with her. And Rick Coyne denied setting his own truck on fire. He said, no, it was stolen from the parking lot of a bar. And the police had told him that they suspected that some kids had taken it to go on a joy ride because fireworks were found in the truck.

I don't personally think that the police ever told him this, by the way. I spoke to the assistant chief and he told me to my face, Bryson Ponzi, they didn't believe that. Exactly. So did they ever tell him that though? No. No. He's lying. The thing about him not being charged, we always say this, it's not what you know, it's what you can prove. So they can't prove he burned the truck. And also there was no property damage to any other owner's property but his own. So that's what I was also going to ask you. He claims that the reason, or Michelle claims, the reason he wanted to burn his truck was because he had hit a parked boat, right?

Yes. Yes. Were there any reports of some hit and run on a boat in Kauai? No. And his thing was like the boat belonged to locals. And out there, if you're not a local and you damn it they'll kill you that's what so he was very nervous about the idea that they could find out that he struck their boat and took off his story would have made so much more sense if he had said it wasn't a local's

boat because then the boat's gone and you don't you don't you can't check because if it's a local who had their boat hit by a truck they're gonna file a report maybe i don't know it's it's a local who had their boat hit by a truck, they're going to file a report. Maybe. I don't know. It's a different world out there. Yeah, but you have insurance. Boats are expensive, man. They're expensive to fix. And sometimes you can't.

Yeah. I don't know what type of boat it was. I agree with you. If it was a yacht, yeah. But what if it was a beat up boat where the person's like, eh, it still floats. Nah, man. He didn't hit no boat okay yeah yeah i'm with you i'm with you and listen to this so i'm looking up rick coin

and i'm trying to figure out like a little bit more about him and i found him on linkedin and apparently he had some sort of like bracelet business that he was doing when he was in kawaii like he would set up this little uh shop sort of like a an outdoor sort of like thrift you know what do they call them like a festival kind of like a little cart yeah of like thrift you know what do they call them like a festival kind of there's like a little cart yeah like a kiosk a kiosk yeah so and he would sell bracelets and stuff but it seems like rick coin also did have a little bit of a problem with alcohol because i found this um i found this article about this website well it was like a what are they called drug court or something so in this article it says website. Well, there was like a, what do they call it, drug court or

something. So in this article, it says, quote, Richard Francis Coyne said he came to Kauai to retire, but found himself in circumstances that led to burglary, property damage, harassment, and DUI charges in a 2010 case. He said the arrest alerted him to his alcoholism and that drug court may have added years to his life, end quote. So what does this little passage tell you? First of all, it tells me that Rick was probably a big time alcoholic. Michelle said that she believed the night he went missing, the night that Amber went missing, right? He was drinking. Now, if you did hit a boat in your truck, probably because you were drinking. What that also tells me is if he did have anything to do with what happened to Amber,

when you're drunk, when you're under the influence of alcohol in that way to the point where you may be blacking out, anything could happen, right? And your emotions are all over the place. So if you're maybe getting into an argument with somebody you're going to be more likely to sort of fly off the handle if you've you know had a bottle of vodka on you yeah i agree with everything you said i mean not these are some of the things you'd have to look into when you're looking at rick which we did and i agree with your assessment again as far as the what happened to amber does not seem very calculated. It was not well thought out. And it was erratic and emotional, which would align with someone who was mad about something

or, as you just said, intoxicated. Yes. And then I look at this and he says he found himself in circumstances that led to burglary, property damage, harassment, and DUI charges. And in 2010, Amber was missing and was killed in 2010. So what was this case specifically that he was talking about? I couldn't find anything more about that, but I will keep digging. Yeah, we had looked into it. There were things that we found about Rick that are in line with what you're saying. And it did contribute to us deciding to explore him more

because as we kept turning over rocks, we kept finding more stuff about him that was indicative of someone who was going through a very bad time at that point in their life and was making some really bad choices. There were things that didn't make the show about Rick because we weren't able to substantiate them through the people who supposedly experienced them with Rick, but other women that we had heard about through Michelle that again, were in line with the idea that could Rick, even if he had only met Amber one time, had encountered her that night if he did. And maybe because of his, I don't know if it's a word, belligerence, is that how you say it, came off very off-putting to Amber and he might not have liked the way she responded to him. There's a lot of motives you can think about when you're trying to play out what could have happened

to maybe lead us where we are today, where we don't know who killed her because this was like a one-off where they met each other. So can you give me an indication of some of the things that you found when looking into him or are those things that you have to kind of keep close to the chest there were reports that he was hanging out on the beach drunk on another occasion and he confronted a woman and was kind of aggressive with her not physical but just kind of a a really stupid drunk making comments flirting with her, you know, overstepping a boundary of how you should approach another woman. But you wonder, like, you know, could he have done this with Amber? You know, because it appeared that it might have been something he had a tendency to do when intoxicated, especially when you talk about the night where he disappeared.

It was also reported that he was drunk that night and he fell asleep on the beach afterwards and he didn't wake up till the next day. So the night that Amber went missing. So there's a lot there that makes you think like, did Amber take a walk down to the beach? Well, here's what I'm going to ask you. Check this out. First of all, I want to ask you, how far was Amber's house from the beach? Well, there's a lot of spots where you can go to the water, but everything on the island, especially when you live close, I would say, don't hold me to this. 20 minutes, not even 15 minutes. Cause it's, it's quiet. There's not much, but water, but I'm trying to remember she was a little bit inland, but not far, maybe less than that,

maybe 10 minutes. All right. So check this out. Let's say Amber leaves, uh,urt, she goes home and she gets in her sweatpants and ready for bed for the night and she goes to sleep. And then she wakes up in the morning and she goes for a walk on the beach. Because we know this is where Rick Coyne, according to Michelle, initially met Amber when she was on a walk on the beach in the morning. So if Amber takes a walk regularly on the beach in the morning, she's going to get up. She's not going to get dressed. She's going to keep her sweatpants on. And maybe then he wakes up from his, you know, drunken, passed out night on the beach. She's walking by and he's like, Amber, I've seen you before. And he's messing with her and talking to her and stuff.

And it's still early. And she's like, shut up, man. Like, leave me alone. I'm just trying to take a walk on the beach. And he loses it. And this may be why we don't really know where the crime scene is because if you're on a beach i mean it's sand the the tides coming in and out this may have been a place that that cleaned itself a self-cleaning

crime scene the only thing about that anything's possible but she didn't show up for work in the morning yeah so could she have walked down to the beach before work possibly i still tend to sound like she took um she took a early walk like she would go out early before work yeah absolutely possible and just to qualify it again i know you guys hate when i do this but the reason we didn't include in the show the reason i'm qualifying it right now is this information was allegedly something that occurred and it was from Michelle. We only included stuff that Michelle personally experienced because that's the way you should do it. And at the end of the day, Rick is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. And there was already factual evidence

that we could put in the show where you could come to your own conclusions. We didn't want to try to manipulate how viewers were viewing the show based on adding stuff that may not be true. And as I'm sitting here saying this now, for the purposes of Crime Weekly, that may not be true as well, where he might not have encountered a woman. It could have been just Michelle embellishing another story. We don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, I did try to, I did, I did find out the name of the woman that this allegedly happened to. And I found a phone number for her. I did call her. She refused to speak to me. Take that as you will.

Yeah. I don't know how to take that. Right. You can take it any way you want, but take it as you will. But it wasn't like we didn't do our due diligence to try to confirm it verify yeah but you know because we were going to include it wanted to interview her you know was he aggressive was he you know violent in any way she just had moved on with her life and didn't want to be part of it be part of the whole story and it could have been because it didn't happen or it could have been because

she's afraid of him. You're right. That's what I'm saying. I mean, it depends on how you want to look at it. I would think if it didn't happen, you would just say it didn't happen. Exactly, man. I was just thinking that. I'm like, if it didn't happen, you'd just be like, I'm sorry.

I don't know what you're talking about and hang up. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So we do know how to take that, but that's just allegedly in our opinion. Yeah. I did speak to her. She just didn't want to talk to me, but I did speak to her and I explained why I was calling.

And she just said, yeah, I don't want to talk to you. Yeah, I think we know how to take that. Okay. But you did mention to Rick that Michelle Stewart claimed the fireworks that were found in his truck were hers. And that Rick had pretty much stolen them from her house the same night that he asked her to help him burn evidence of a crime. And Rick's response to you was to say that Michelle's a liar and a bad person. And both he and Karen then once again asserted to you that they didn't know Amber. They had nothing to do with what happened to her. But then you asked

Karen. You asked Karen about the sandals found in the backseat of Rick's vehicle. And she claimed, listen, you know, we live on a beach, basically. So we keep extra shoes in the vehicle. We keep shoes for the beach or shoes for walking. But then you were like, listen, OK. But Michelle says that when you guys saw this truck, you told her the sandals weren't yours. And Karen, she sort of laughs this off and she's like yeah i don't know about that like but whatever and that was it and that really bugged me because she was very flippant about it and i mean it's like either they're your sandals or they're not either you

said that to michelle or you didn't so i don't know about that whatever is not really like in my opinion a valid response yeah so i don't want to say I was setting her up, but I was leading her down a path where I wanted her to first one admit there were sandals in the car. Yes. Once I got her to admit that, then I had her because I knew what I was going to say next. But once I got her to admit, yeah, and I guess you could look at it where she didn't really admit they were in the car, but she didn't deny. She could have denied it right there and said, no, I don't remember any shoes in the car or sandals in the car. I don't have any clue what you're talking about. But she was like, yeah, I know. Like you said, there was there's sandals in the car or whatever. And then when I say, well, you know, it's funny you mentioned that because you specifically told Michelle they weren't yours. And she actually went, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Whatever. I caught her off guard with that

one. Yeah. And I was like, I'm watching the episode and I was laughing a little bit because I know you at this point. Right. And I see your face when they're talking and you get that little like furrow right here in your brow. And I'm laughing and I'm like, yo, they're lying. And then you hang up the phone. You're like, these people are lying to me. Yeah, my director, that never happened. It was not a lot of breaking of the fourth wall. But you hear the producer star off camera go, so what do you think? And I was like, they're lying 100%. I didn't know that was going to make the show.

I was in a hooded sweatshirt. We hadn't even started for the day. And he was like, I guess they decided to include it because I was pissed off. Well, I mean, I felt like they were lying, too. And Rick got super defensive. And I'm not sure why you would get so defensive and say Michelle's a liar and she's a bad person on top of that. Like saying, well, she's lying is one thing. But to go on and be like, she's a liar and a bad person.

It felt personal and it felt like, I don't know, like it was unnecessary. Well, he was trying to discredit her, right? Like to be like, hey, you can't believe anything she's saying because she's a bad person. She has bad intentions. Did he give you a reason why she was a bad person or you just say she's a bad person? Because that's all it sounded like to me. She's a bad person. It definitely seemed like there was some history there between them.

I'm not saying sexual or whatever, but there was definitely some history there because, you know, clearly he doesn't like her because she dimed him out about the car. Right. Like, so you could make the argument that he's just pissed off because she's still diving him out about the car. Or it could be something more, which is the reason I called him, which which is what I told him. So, yeah, he wasn't a fan. He tried to be kind of calculated at the beginning and he did lose his cool a little bit there at the end. But you talked to Michelle, the police inquiry. You talked to Michelle. They found her to be credible.

Did you? Yes. Okay. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, there's no incentive. There was nothing in it for her. We tried to look at, she didn't know Amber personally. She'd supposedly met her a couple of times, but it wasn't like this deep connection. And again, she talked about this

vehicle, this Chevy Avalanche, and everything was corroborated directly when I asked about it from the police. And might I just add, okay, she's a bad person. She's a liar. But Rick, apparently at one point, you trusted her enough to go to her house in the middle of the night and ask her to help you burn your truck to cover up a crime. So at some point, I feel like he didn't think she was a bad person and he didn't think she was a liar. And they might have been actually quite close, maybe friendly, because you're asking her to do something illegal with you. You got to really trust somebody to show up at their house in the middle of the night and ask for them to help you burn your truck. Right. So that's right. Yeah. I mean, if that happened, allegedly, we don't know if that allegedly. So you looked at the photos that were taken from inside Amber's house when,

you know, she went missing and the police went in there and you did point out something that was interesting to me. You pointed out that a portion of her kitchen counter between the stove and the refrigerator, it was missing. It was gone. It looked like it'd been broken off, but the rest of the counter was intact. I talked to you earlier and I said, how much of the counter do you think was broken and missing? And you said, what, like roughly eight inches, I think you said. Yeah, you can actually see it in the episode as well. We're going to try to get those photos. Stephanie's going to try to pull some magic and screenshot them so you guys can check them out because it's very easy to see in the photos. Thank you, Discovery, for letting us use those photos.

If I can't screenshot them, I might just get my cell phone, get the lighting really good and try to take a picture with my cell phone and crop it and make it better. We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. But there was also a six-pack of beer. So these were glass bottles sitting next to the stove. And there was broken glass from some of these bottles around the six pack on the counter. And then there was the broken top of a beer bottle sitting on the stove. So this is just like the neck of the beer bottle.

And it looked like the bottle still had its top on. And, you know, if you drank a lot of beer, you'll know that like once you take that metal top off, it doesn't ever fit back on normally again. And this looks like that beer was never opened. That's what it looks like to me, at least. Now, you'd explored the idea that maybe the counter, maybe the counter had been the object that made the injuries on the right side of Amber's face and head. Like if somebody had used that portion of the counter and slammed her head into it. But then, like you said,

you talked to a forensic pathologist on the show and she said she didn't believe that the counter could be the murder weapon because Amber's injuries were more consistent with her head being hit with something, not being hit against something. I would like to mention that I was wondering, and I talked about this

earlier, is it possible that maybe the counter was the thing that was bracing the other side of Amber's head and that her head had been placed there by her attacker and the portion of the counter that was removed, maybe it was removed after her death to get rid of the evidence, or maybe it had been damaged by whatever had hit Amber. Maybe her attacker had brought the weapon down several times. Some of these blows missed her head, hit the counter instead. Also, the broken beer bottles might actually support that theory as well because it seemed like they were broken while they were sitting in that six-pack on the counter. And the six-pack is like right next to the stove, which is where that portion of counter was missing.

Because I can't understand why else those beer bottles would be broken like that and she wouldn't pick them up. You know what I mean? Yeah, I agree. It was definitely something that Chief Ponzi and the counter pieces were found anywhere in the area. And yet you would think that if the perpetrator was cleaning up the broken counter pieces because they didn't want it to be seen by police, they would counter was cleaned up, but not the bottle. So I asked Greg about this and he said he knew exactly what I was talking about. Now, you could say he knew exactly what I was talking about it because he was kind of a handyman because it was kind of sharp. And she was nervous. She was going to cut herself on it when going into the fridge. And he was like, yeah, I know exactly what that is. That had been broken for months.

He had no explanation for the bottles, though. He just didn't even acknowledge that. He's like, oh, I didn't even know that was the case. And I have a little bit of a problem with Greg's story, because if you think about it, Amber was big on buying houses and renovating them. She did this stuff herself. Why would she be like going to to the man on her property and being like, oh, I'm so afraid I'm going to cut myself on this counter. Please fix it for me when she's been doing this stuff like she renovated the house she lived in. Yeah, but I think she was high in, I don't

think she was very, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm sure Amber's family will be listening to this. Matt will definitely be listening to it. I don't think she was doing, I think she was more of a flipper and she always had general contractors doing it. I don't think she was, I don't think she was actually in the grind doing it. Okay. So if she's got general contractors doing her renovations, why not call a general contractor? Why are you going to let it be broken for months and months? Yeah. When you take pride in the home you live in, clearly.

Yeah. And you're going to let it be broken for months and months because your boyfriend in his yurt won't fix it. Yeah. And what was interesting about that counter, because I did think about the idea that it could have been held in place there and she could have been struck over the head. No blood. No blood. not even signs of a cleanup not even signs of bleach in the area because you would expect even if there's absent of blood you would have some type of cleaning agent under a under a fluorescent light nothing how did those bottles get broken i know it's a great

trust me you're asking the million dollar question because in the the chief of police at the same thing they're like that bottles those bottles still bother me to this day could they be a red herring he doesn't think so i don't think so no but you know it does make you wonder and like i get it maybe maybe you could say oh she brought it in she had all these bags of groceries in her hand so So she drops the six-pack and it breaks. But not on the counter. And those bottles definitely broke while they were on the counter. This wasn't they dropped on the floor and she picked it up and put it on the counter because there's broken

glass all over plus that bottleneck on the stove, which clearly came off. So it almost looks like somebody was swinging something, hit the bottles at the top. That top part of the bottle goes flying off towards the stove to the right. And then it looks like these bottles were broken as part of an attack. Now you sound like me and the team for five nights straight talking about these beer bottles.

The beer bottles are driving me crazy because they're definitely connected. But at the same time, as far as we can tell, this house was not a crime scene. No blood. No blood. Zero. Zero blood. And they would have found something, especially with the way that she was attacked. This is not going to be a clean hit.

This isn't going to be like, oh, I'm going to choke you in your kitchen and leave no blood. She was brutally beaten to her head. And we all know head wounds. There's massive amounts of blood that come out know head wounds, there's massive amounts of blood that come out of head wounds. Some little speck of blood would have still been there. And they immediately locked down that house. And again, no blood and no sign of cleanup in that house. So it was like the most baffling thing because they thought they were going to put it under a light and that place was going to light up like a tree with luminol hits and stuff. And zero, zero.

It's a perplexity. It's like, how does that happen? Because everyone agrees that wherever Amber was assaulted, there was blood everywhere. And so it's like it would be impossible to do that and not have any type of blood remaining. So I would be interested to hear what you guys have to say in the comments. If you're watching on YouTube, what do you think could be the possible connection to these bottles? If you can figure that out, let us know because that's the million dollar question. Yeah, I am interested to hear theories because you guys always come up with some cool theories

that I never thought of. So I can't wait to hear what you say. But we also have those tire tracks found at the scene. As I mentioned previously, the police didn't take impressions of these tracks. I wish they had. Oh, I wish they had oh i wish they had um ten dollar bag of dental stuff i'm saying man like that's what the the article that i read said like this police this police office office this police department they didn't have the resources but i mean i feel like every police department should should have that as their like starter kit. But okay. So they took the pictures. You took the pictures to a digital expert to see if they could be enhanced so that the tread of whatever vehicle had made the tracks, they could be determined what vehicle it came from. And then you discovered something very interesting, which was the digital expert used a cigarette butt that was lying on the ground next to the tire tracks.

And this cigarette butt would be used to determine scale. So basically, if you know how big the cigarette butt is, which we all do, you can use that now to figure out the size of the tracks. Yeah. We use the same thing when we don't have a scale on scene, we use a dollar bill. Yeah. So let me ask a question. How far from where her body was found were the tire tracks located? Right above. So at the top of the ledge there. Right there. Right there. All right. So, well, because of this, because of what the digital expert did, Amber's vehicle was ruled out as being the one to have made the tracks. And so was Greg Glazer's Jeep Wagoneer. But the track pattern was consistent with the size and tread rows of a Chevy Avalanche, which just so happened to be the truck that Rick Coyne was driving at the time of

Amber's murder, the one he allegedly set on fire, the one that had a pair of women's sandals in the backseat. And remember, Amber was found fully dressed, but barefoot. Yeah. It's important to note that that Chevy Avalalanche the specific tire that was on there there are other vehicles that have all-terrain tires that could be similar you would have needed a casting yeah to determine who's exactly him because with a casting for anyone who doesn't know you would see where imperfections yeah yeah imperfections in that tire that are specific to that tire whether it's a nail or a gouge or whatever it may be that's occurred to that tire over the years. So you could take that cast and compare it specifically to the tire in question.

And by the way, they still have that Chevy Avalanche. It's in their impound lap. So the Kauai police still have it just in case anything does come up from this, which is obviously good to know. And also Matt Alexander has Amber Jackson's vehicle. Matt Alexander is Amber's nephew. That's correct. For those of you who don't remember, yeah. Yep. Yep. He has Amber Jackson's vehicle still. I saw it in person. The only vehicle we don't have,

which would be really nice to have for forensic analysis, would be Greg's vehicle. Greg Glaser. Yeah. But according to your expert, the digital forensic expert, he was 75 to 80% certain that the tire impressions found near where Amber's body was found were made by the same make and model vehicle that Rick Coindrove. That's right. I have another question. So the sandals found in Rick's vehicle, were they ever tested? Because they weren't completely burned, right? You were able to see that there

were sandals. There were no sandals in the vehicle. What do you mean? No sandals in the vehicle when it was impounded. Oh, I'm sorry. Hold on. Yep. So hold on. I didn't know this. So Karen and Michelle see the sandals. Karen's like, those ain't my sandals but when the vehicle gets impounded sandals are not there no sandals we they went back and checked we went and looked at the photos um and you know because they did have the photos from the crime scene like before so there's two ways you could take that and let let's be fair. The first way you could take it is Michelle's lying. And, you know, there wasn't any sandals. And Karen on the phone with me was just acknowledging that if there were sandals, they, you know,

could have been hers. The second theory is that there were women's shoes in the vehicle and Karen removed them before police arrived. Or Karen went home to Rick and was like, yo, Rick, that was going on with this truck because Karen's the one that called the police and said it was burnt. Right. Right. So she goes home. She's like, Rick, what the hell's going on with this truck? And whose sandals are in there, man? All right, because they're not my sandals.

What kind of girl you got in your car when you're hiding out on the beach drunk all night? And Rick was like, oh, snap, there's sandals in there they didn't burn let me go get them because it's just a freaking block down the road yeah allegedly possible yeah i there's no evidence to suggest he went down there but there's also no evidence to say he didn't i don't obviously it's just a theory based on information. Just a theory. But yeah, the shoes, the sandals were not. Because let's be honest, if the sandals were found in the car later, you and I wouldn't be having this conversation right now. That's what I'm saying. Even if they were burnt.

The game over if they were hers. Even if they were burnt, you could tell if they were the same size that she wore. You'd at least be able to piece together something, even if you couldn't pull DNA, but you'd be able to see, does she have a pair of sandals like this, et cetera. Okay, so no sandals in the car. They do not. They're gone. If they did exist, they are gone. But the backseat of the truck is completely burnt.

And let's say that a vehicle was used to transport Amber from her home to where she was found. She might have been in the back seat of that vehicle. It would think, you know, and you know, that would make sense. That would definitely make sense. You would ask why they wouldn't have transported her in the truck, the bed of the truck. Um, cause the avalanche does have a, a truck bed, but, um, yeah, if you think about what we're talking about, it's a truck bed. Why would you put a live or dead body in your truck and drive around town with it? Well, the thing about the avalanche, well, because you don't want to get DNA on your seats, but the thing about the avalanche-

You're just going to burn them with fireworks. So what does that matter? Yeah. I mean, if that's the plan, I don't know if he planned on, if he was involved with this, I don't know if he planned on burning it initially because he waited until her body was found. He waited until her body was found. I don't think, if he was involved, I don't think he knew her body was going to be found.

I think he thought that it was going to be taken by the animals. But once she was found, he realized he had no other choice. Taken by the animals. Taken by the animals. It's not so peaceful. It's going to be taken by the animals. But like Derek, let's say you're out there and you kidnap a woman and you take her somewhere to kill her.

She's in your backseat, right? And then you find out her body's found. Everyone knows she's dead. What would you burn in the truck? What would you burn in the truck? If you couldn't burn the whole truck, what part of the truck are you going to burn? Yeah, you're going to burn where she was. You're going to burn where she was.

And I want to say this because it is very important and I have to because this is what I'm here for, to be that guy. I truly don't know if Rick Coyne was involved in Amber's disappearance or death. And I mean that. I'm not even using like, you know, the wink and the nod. I truly don't know. All I know for certain is everything that we've told you tonight so far can be proven for the most part, as far as his vehicle, his whereabouts, the day of her disappearance, the day of her being found. Those things are from other credible witnesses.

And when you put it all together, like you're doing, the fact that Amber wasn't wearing shoes, the fact that the back of the vehicle was burned, the front of the vehicle was perfect, by the way, the car could still be driven after that. It's very suspicious considering what we're talking about. And that's, you know, the tire tread marks, all of it. It's very suspicious when you put it in the context of what we're investigating. But I know when I went there, really the only person of interest that they had was Greg Glazer. And so I have to ask myself if they haven't been able to put him down for this murder, like haven't been able to find evidence that would suggest it was him. You mean Greg?

Greg, right? That's who they originally thought was involved. And why is this case unsolved? So I asked myself, maybe they haven't found the evidence to convict him or charge him because it doesn't exist because he didn't do it. So having this other person to look into just points to the fact that there's still more to be done. But I wanted to just say that one more time. I won't say it again, but there's nothing here that says to me definitively, it still couldn't be Greg. And I just want to point that out there because there there is some compelling stuff. Cause I know our audience,

I know they're sitting there going, Rick did it. Rick did it. I know it. Cause I remember the response after the episode, but keep in mind, there's nothing definitive here that puts him with Amber at any point. And at any time.

Yeah. I just want to say for the record, man, I don't think Gregreg did it you don't you're like so so go to that real quick why why is that why do you not think he did it well first of all he clearly cared about her right there you have some emotions there he lived on her property so he's going to instinctually know because he seems like a super paranoid person right correct that's what he's gonna instinctually know because he seems like a super paranoid person, right? Correct.

So he's going to instinctually know if this woman goes missing and turns up dead, I am the first person they're looking at because I am her her sexual partner, which everybody seemed to know. It was kind of like this secret that wasn't really a secret. I live on her property. We're always together. And hey, I was the last person to see her alive. So I just don't see how he would have thought this would be a good idea to murder her because he knows he's going to be the first person. With this dude, Rick Coyne, like you said, there's nothing to connect him to Amber, which

is why he was never looked at as a suspect in the early stages because as far as anybody knew, he doesn't know her. However, you did tell me earlier on the phone that when you were in Kauai, you talked to Greg about Rick Coyne and Greg had mentioned that Rick was like selling these bracelets and he had like a picture of Amber, you know, on the table. And he had mentioned to Greg like, oh, she was such a nice woman, et cetera, et cetera. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Greg did say that. But again, I always took what Greg said with a grain of salt, because if he ever felt like I was looking at someone else, which I never gave him the impression, he would run with that if he

was involved. So it was kind of difficult. You said you never gave him that impression. I didn't, but I did mention Rick, like, hey, what do you know about Rick Coyne? I think if I would have said, hey, what do you know about Big Bird coin and you know i think if i would have said hey what do you know about big bird yeah big bird was a suspect you know he was always a shady guy how you doing greg like that man i'm just saying i mean i don't trust anybody you guys you know that by now i don't trust anyone i don't trust anyone either but yeah to me rick coin an alcoholic somebody who was not in control of of their life at that point which admittedly he was going through a tough time had a lot of stuff going on would get drunk and spend nights on the beach he's hitting boats allegedly and then his car is burnt and then he says was stolen but then

his wife says was just burned he knows exactly where is. Like this stuff doesn't add up. Whereas with Greg, I feel like he's kind of he's like a man child. You know, he's he's the kind of guy who he's like the dude from A Beautiful Mind, the one who's like recording the paper bag. And he's like, it's beautiful. You know, and it's like floating through the air. He just seems like the kind of guy that he just wants to be out in nature and living in his yurt and cleaning his floors with bleach and i mean i i admittedly said like i don't think that greg glazer looks like the kind of guy who's on his hands and knees scrubbing his his yurt floor with bleach and you were like well his yurt was immaculate man like it was it was good shape yes and but also not to pile on here but and we you definitely mentioned already. But shortly after all this happened, Rick Coyne left the island without care. He took off. He went to the United States. He went to the mainland.

He was gone. They didn't even tell his wife where he was going. But his wife's still with him, man. I tell you what, if my husband took off. Well, first of all, if my husband's not coming home and he's spending nights on the beach drunk, it's over. But now he gets on a plane and he leaves me and he doesn't tell me where he's going i'm not gonna i'm not gonna be married to this man any longer so what is it that what is it that kept these two together i'd be curious to know be interesting to be a fly on that wall because they kind of were in too deep

together and they had things on each other but i mean that's just speculation um so i don't think that it that it was greg to me rick seems like a much more viable option he's shady af and i i don't like i don't i don't like the way he handled the situation but um i don't know but you i think you agree with me that rick looks a little bit better for this than Greg. There's evidence there that suggests he's got some explaining to do, but I'm not sold on Greg either, honestly. I think there's a really, you know, Occam's razor, right? Simple explanations, usually the right one. Simple explanation is there's a fight in the yurt.

He smacks Amber over the head. He cleans up with the bleach he brings it to the mountain leaves her there i mean and again can't prove it where do the beer bottles in her house come in then well the beer bottles could have been instead of them being in the you know maybe they were down at the maybe they were down at the house the main house first the fight starts there he drags her up to the yurt and kills her up there. I don't know. I mean, but there is options where Greg could have done this and I was sitting across from a killer. There's absolutely a possibility that that's what transpired.

And I do think he's erratic enough where he could have lost his temper at one point and done it. Okay. But I think that they're both people that I would want to know a lot more about. And I could sit down and talk to Greg for another couple hours. And also, I would love the opportunity to sit down with Rick. Oh, yeah. I would love to sit down with Rick. Yeah. Yeah. You don't like Rick. Nope. Nope. Yep. Okay. So as we mentioned, they sent DNA off in 2020 to have it tested. Assistant Chief of Police,

Bryson Ponce, he said that the department can't share information on potential forensic evidence. And Amber's nephew, Matthew Alexander, he told the media that he and his family have not heard anything conclusive from the DNA testing. But Matthew also claims that he doesn't really believe the Kauai police have the necessary resources to solve his aunt's murder. Matthew said, quote, I think everybody in her immediate circle knows basically what happened, but the ability to prove it, I just don't know how it could be proved. There's two people of interest in particular, and they're free. One of them flunked a polygraph test, and another guy vanished and is living out in Arizona. I don't know which one killed her, but I know both of them had something to do with it, but we can't prove it.

So I don't know at this point how we can come up with the evidence to prove it. End quote. All right. So this is a whole new angle. The two men that we just talked about, Greg and Rick, he's kind of saying we know both of them had something to do with it. So it's almost a suggestion that they may have worked together. Well, here's the thing. We haven't talked about it a lot, but Greg and Rick knew each other. Yeah, they knew each other.

So how well? How well did they know each other? Not very well, but I heard they like smoked weed together. Likereg definitely knew who rick coin was this is a whole new element man yeah so he's like so i remember discussing it with matt it's like well why couldn't they have both been involved why couldn't rick had been over there that night and something went down and they were there that's why rick's hanging out at the yurt with greg and then you know amber comes in and they're maybe eating together whatever and then something happens at that point and now they're both liable in some way because they're both there so they

work together to get rid of the evidence it's. It's also possible that someone we've never identified is out there right now and he's responsible for the death of Amber Jackson. It's an unnerving feeling. Yeah, it's an unnerving feeling, but it's it's the truth. It's the truth. And I wish I wish I left there and was feeling more. There are cases that I've done on breaking homicide where I was pretty certain on who did it. You know, Judy Rawlings is one of them. You know, I don't mind saying it if I believe that I've met and looked Greg in the face and I didn't look in his eyes and say to myself, there's no way he killed her. I think, and I said this to the chief of police in the show, do I think he's capable of killing her? Yes yes do i think he's mentally capable of covering up

the murder and not being caught no and that's what's perplexing to me because i don't think he'd have the ability to commit the perfect crime he's not that bright and i don't i mean i'm just being honest he's not that bright but was it the perfect crime a lot of just got lucky a lot of stuff had to go right for for this to sort of be unsolved first of all i agree with uh with matthew when he says that the kawaii police probably weren't equipped to handle a mystery of this magnitude i mean they they didn't even have the stuff they needed to take the cast for the tires if they had taken the cast for the tires this could have easily been solved i would love to have that cast right now, man. Yeah, exactly. Additionally, I do feel like, you know, you said earlier on in the episode, you don't want to say that they had sort of laser focused in on Greg Glaser, but it does kind of seem like they did.

Right. Like, that's fair. And I don't blame them for initially suspecting him because the proximity, the location, the relationship, it would make sense that he may have been responsible for this. But once you look in his his yurt, you don't see anything. There's no sign of foul play in the house. You know, you can't find any physical evidence to tie him to her murder. You'd think that you'd branch out and start sort of looking elsewhere, looking for other suspects, you know, trying to figure out maybe who. And I mean, you had talked to Amber's friend. Amber's friend called you, Terry, and she was like, listen, there's this guy, Rick Coyne. How did this never get to the police? How did it never get?

How did Rick Coyne's name never make it on the police radar? And then they're suddenly putting two and two together like, oh, damn, you know, actually, the day, you know, after her body's found, Rick Coyne's vehicles stolen, quotations, air quotes, and it's burned. And a good investigator, I think, really would put those things together. Eventually, once you've exhausted your Greg Glazer angle, which led to nothing, nothing substantial, at least besides a hunch from them that he was responsible, you'd start kind of branching out and you'd talk to her friends, one of them being Terry, who would be like, well, what about Rick Coyne? And I can't possibly believe that it took 10

years for Rick Coyne's name to ever come out of somebody's mouth, right? No, there's a group and Terry's like the head of the group. It's Justice for Amber Jackson. And they they're vigilant to the point where they're emailing the Kauai Police Department almost on a weekly basis or a monthly basis with new information, new leads, things that they should look into. And there is a good communication there. And, you know, when I when I went there, it wasn't to criticize what they hadn't done.

It was like, listen, if I can find something that might push this case forward, then we've accomplished our mission. Because if it's out of stalemate right now, that's obviously not good. So when I left there, the two things that I left there with is saying, hey, listen, I was able to get DNA for Greg Glazer, which could be helpful if they're able to get DNA off the items that were found on Amber. And secondly, if by chance it doesn't match, there's another person now that should be looked into. And I do know that, I'm not going to say specifically, but there were witnesses that I spoke with, some on camera, some not, that were viable enough for the Kauai Police Department to go and interview them in person. So I felt very good about this case because they could tell you,

yeah, we're going to look into that and they never do. But I was able to confirm that the prosecutor's office sent an investigator as well as the Kauai Police Department over to the residence of certain witnesses and interviewed them. There's a lot that didn't make the show. I sat down with the DA, his investigators. It was all on camera, but in 42 minutes, it's just not a lot of time. But I will say this. I was very well received over there. The departments were very receptive and Matt Alexander, Terry Sepplo, everyone involved was super receptive. I still talk to Matt probably once a year. So I truly hope this case gets solved sooner than later. I think it is a solvable case, but I'm still waiting on the results. I think you're

going to get into it, but there is some DNA that's been sent. I have not heard anything, whether it came back positive or negative. That might be because they're not sharing it with me. That might be because it came back to nothing. I don't know. But I try not to involve myself after I've already left. I don't know how you don't involve yourself after you left. I would be like blowing them up every day. We've already covered all there is to say about the DNA. We've said it. And I'm not saying that they're not nice guys. They seem super sweet, you know, in the show, seem like super nice guys. But I just don't think that everything was done in this investigation in the early days, which, you know, those are the days that you really got to get on it, start collecting evidence. And Rick, he's allowed to

just get on a plane and leave, leave the island. And at that point, once he's gone, like it's going to be very difficult to track him down and get him to cooperate, especially several years after. So when you say you don't think that this isn't a case that can be solved, like I agree with you. I think that there was probably enough evidence to start putting two and two together in the early days. But now, more than a decade later. With Rick in the wind. And maybe any possible, like you said, it could be not Rick, it could be not Greg, could be just some random other person, but it's been over 10 years now. So that those people, and I got this impression that people who go and live in Kauai, people who aren't natives, they don't stay there forever, right? They don't. This is kind of this

eat, pray, love kind of thing where they go there. People are very transient. They stay there. They stay there a couple of years and then they move on. That's right. It's kind of a through route. A lot of people are trying to change their lives and do new things. That's where you go. You get off that you can completely lose yourself because it's a beautiful place to lose yourself for a couple of years. But you nailed it. That's kind of the mindset that's out there. People go there to recreate themselves, you know, sort of figure out who am I?

What's in my soul? Maybe paint some ocean scapes, whatever. But your main suspect pool could have been gone within a year or two, relocated onto their next destination, onto their next journey, onto their next hunting ground. And I just feel like really them focusing on Greg so hard was a detriment to the investigation. But that's just my opinion. And I mean, you were there, you talked to these people, you know more about what was done, what was said and what wasn't done than I do. And I don't know. Just from what I see, it looks like so much more could have been done, but it wasn't. And here we are.

Yeah. I know Greg was a big component to the case initially. And I don't want to even speak out of line and tell you when Rick Coyne became someone who was on the radar, because it's very possible as I sit here, I just don't remember the answer, that Rick Coyne became someone who was on the radar because it's very possible as I sit here, I just don't remember the answer, that Rick Coyne didn't become a player until many years later where Michelle Stewart came forward and do this group that they have and inform them of this. I know that once they did learn of him, he was immediately sent over to, his information was sent over to the Kauai Police Department. But I don't I don't know exactly when that was. I don't think he was a

person of interest at the time. But to everything you're saying, once that car goes up in flames, if you know you just had this incident take place, I'm saying that same day there's a car up in flames. You would like to think that two and two would be put together and there might be someone go, hey. Maybe this is connected. Right. Yeah. Right.

That's what I'm saying. I think that's fair. I think that's fair. It kind of drives me a little crazy, but I mean, that's where we're at. And, you know, I enjoyed covering this case with you because, you know, I didn't know a lot of things and you really illuminated a lot of things for me during. Yeah. Which which cleared things up a little bit.

But it's always weird covering the cases that I've done because it's like. It's awesome. No, it's kind of like for me, it's like a reminder that I failed. Oh, God, stop. It's the truth, though, if you think about it, because what are we talking about here? Hey, Derek, you went out to cover this case. 10 years after. It's not like you were on from day one.

Because if you've been on from day one, we'd have those tire imprints and you know it. I'd like to think so. Yeah, I mean, but it's like a reminder. You would have gone to the dollar store and gotten some silly putty or something. Like if you didn't have what you needed, you would have figured it out. Dental stone. We got to have it. We got to have it.

No, I mean, yeah. But it is a reminder of this family entrusted you to do something and yeah you move the ball forward but like as we sit here right now two years later there's still no justice no this family entrusted you to do the best you could with what you had and you did i try yeah i do think we did the best we could i mean i'm digging through trash for three hours in the middle of the night. Yelling at hotel employees. Pulling a Greg Glazer with the hotel employees. I'm looking for my wife's wedding ring.

Yeah. You should have been there. He walked up to me and I started screaming. I'm like, I'm looking for my wife's wedding ring, okay? Get away from me. He backed off like you're a wild animal. He's like, whoa. He's like, and he's like, okay.

All right, buddy. You do you, man. You keep picking through that garbage all right yeah it was we definitely you know i mean exhausted all options and at the end of the day even if we find out six months from now that's someone that nobody identified perfect let's find the person because you know there's a there's a chance that this person had done it before or we'll do it again yeah you know so it'd be great to get them you know in custody as soon as possible and i feel like i feel like i remember reading somewhere

kawaii had like a a pretty prolific serial killer a while back right that was another scenario that was another thing that people like could she have been the victim there's so many that's why i'm like i'm glad we're covering it but it's like don't do what we're accusing other people of doing, which is get tunnel vision. Because even though nine out of 10 pieces of the puzzle can fit, if that 10th piece don't fit, then they didn't do it, you know, because you could have some things that are coincidences. So as much as we have on Rick, as much as we have on Greg, there might be a reason why there hasn't been that final piece yet.

So that is something we also have to consider going forward because, you know, the person could a reason why there hasn't been that final piece yet. So that is something we also have to consider going forward because, you know, the person could still be out there. Yeah, absolutely. But I mean, I think we covered a lot here and we really look forward to hearing what you guys think about this case. If you're watching on YouTube, let us know in the comments. If you're listening on audio, you can always go to our website, crimewweeklypodcast.com. You can leave us a speak pipe there. That's a voice message. We're getting tons of speak pipes from you guys.

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