Crime Weekly - S3 Ep159: Albert Allen Frost: Criminal Coffee Solved Its First Case!

Episode Date: November 22, 2023

It’s been a long journey, but we have finally solved our first case! And this wouldn’t be possible without your support! Criminal Coffee Company was started because we wanted a sustainable way to fund unsolved cases while also providing you with a tangible product in return. We didn’t know if it would work, but here we are and we couldn’t be prouder! “Prebble Penny” has been unsolved for over 60 years and a major reason why it has gone unsolved for so long will shock you. In this episode we break down the entire chain of the events that led to the identification of Albert Allen Frost. We are so happy his name has been restored and that his family finally knows what happened to their loved one. Thank you so much for making our dream a reality. Let’s drink some coffee and solve another case! Please check the links below if you would like to help some the next one! Try our coffee!! - www.CriminalCoffeeCo.com Become a Patreon member -- > https://www.patreon.com/CrimeWeekly Shop for your Crime Weekly gear here --> https://crimeweeklypodcast.com/shop Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/c/CrimeWeeklyPodcast Website: CrimeWeeklyPodcast.com Instagram: @CrimeWeeklyPod Twitter: @CrimeWeeklyPod Facebook: @CrimeWeeklyPod

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Price guarantee applies to then current base monthly rate. Additional terms and conditions apply. Hey everyone, welcome back to Crime Weekly News. I'm Derek Levasseur. And I'm Stephanie Harlow. And tonight is going to be a little different. It's not going to be your typical Crime Weekly News. We're going to be covering Preble Penny tonight. I'm not going to get into the specifics. Stephanie's going to do that in a minute. But as far as why we're doing this, I think everybody who watches or listens to us by this point knows that Stephanie and I started a coffee company a little over a year ago, more than a year ago, it's like a year and a half at this point, called Criminal Coffee Company. Really great coffee,

completely objective opinion there, of course. But the whole premise, the whole purpose behind doing this was finding ways to give back to some of the cases that we cover, right? We talk about these cases all the time. And in many instances, it's an investigatory thing. But in some situations, even on cases we don't cover, it's a financial thing, right? They have something that can be tested, specifically DNA. They just don't have the finances to get the resources or the science or technology available to run all the tests that can be run and potentially solve the case. So we decided to start this coffee company. We donate a portion of the proceeds from every bag sold to the criminal coffee fund. We reach out

to different agencies, different organizations who are looking for funding for these cases. We pick one, we go from there. So we started the company, we raised the funds. We were so excited. We didn't even have the funds yet for the first one. Stephanie and I chipped in our own money because we just wanted to, we were like, no, we no we need to do this This is this is exciting. We want to get it going So many of you probably already know but we went on to utah did all this stuff It was probably what six eight months ago. Stephanie. It was longer than that Even longer than it took a very long time, but it was something where we really wanted actually I think it was last winter. I think it was a year ago. All right, so it's been a while

It's been a while. Yeah, it was. It was. Because remember when we went to Salt Lake, it was November. It was exactly a year ago because they were starting to put up Christmas decorations. And I walked around that city for hours. You're right. So this just proves the point. These cases can take a while to solve, even when you have the resources.

So we're proving the point here. But overall, we really wanted this first one to be a success because we know that people out there are looking for results. They're like a results-driven world that we live in. They wanted to see their money go to something positive and have that outcome that we were really hoping for, even though we knew there was a strong possibility it wouldn't happen for circumstances or situations behind the scenes that were out of our control. Fortunately, that was not the case, which brings us to a current day where we did the press conference the other day, the live stream. It was not the best. The audio was not great.

The service that we used to do the streaming wasn't the same. So Stephanie was a rock star and got it up and running quick. And Detective Turner actually reached out to me after the fact and apologized. He basically had everything prepared, including a great PowerPoint and all this other stuff, but just that one little thing. And we've all done it where you forget like, shit, didn't have a microphone. That's kind of important. Kind of important. But I mean, the people there heard, and that's why we said on the live stream that we were going to do this. We've talked about Preble Penny a little bit before this, but we've never really given

it the crime weekly treatment. Now we can do that. Now that everything is out there, we can talk about the case before we got involved and then where we are today. And who better to do that than the great Stephanie Harlow. All right, too much pressure. Okay. So we'll start with the discovery of the remains.

This happened on May 25th, 1968. The skeletal remains of an unidentified individual were located in Eaton, which is in Ohio, Preble County. According to the National Missing and Unidentified Persons System, otherwise known as NAMIS, there were some children who were playing in a wooded area. They found a skull that was separated from a badly decomposed body trunk with a left arm intact. Apparently, the fingers of this left arm were hooked onto a small tree. The lower right arm was missing. There was no clothing or jewelry. The skull was actually found 75 feet downstream from the rest of the body.

And we believe that this body kind of came to the surface because it had been previously buried in a shallow grave, but that entire area had been swept by high water within the previous past few days. Now, the initial coroner's assessment stated that the remains likely belonged to a white Caucasian female. She would have been between 30 to 50 years old. She would have died somewhere between 1962 and 1968. And that same coroner determined that this woman could have had complications giving birth. But despite subsequent investigations, Preble County authorities were unable to identify the

remains at that time, which isn't a surprise. It was the late 60s, and they were subsequently buried in Mound Hill Cemetery. Now, several decades later, there was a missing woman that they thought could be Preble Penny. So per request of Detective Adam Turner and the Shelby Police Department, the remains were exhumed on August 28th, 2019. And then they started doing initial attempts to extract a working DNA profile, but these initial attempts were unsuccessful. However, in August of 2022, Moxie Forensic Investigations received this case and a sufficient DNA profile was obtained

thanks to collaborative efforts with Intermountain Forensics in Salt Lake City, Utah, and criminal coffee, because we all funded it. Yeah. And real quick, I don't know how deep you're going to go this, but I think we can say it now. And I don't know if you have it in your script here, but shout out to Intermountain Forensics, first and foremost, because they are the crux of this whole thing. They're the cog that made everything else move. Moxie Forensics did a great job. I believe once they had a DNA sample or a profile, they solved it in like four weeks.

Yeah, once they got the DNA profile from Indermountain, then they were able to build like a family tree, basically. Right. But the thing is,, this, this, this DNA sequence that they developed, this profile was not easy. There was a lot of bacteria in there. We had some social media videos where this machine that they use is like a million dollars and off record behind the scenes.

I can tell you now they ran it like once or twice and didn't have enough. And Danny Helwig, who's at the captain of the ship over there, we were like, we got to do it again. Now, mind you, it would cost money to do it again. They did not charge us more. They wanted to solve this as much as we did. So I can tell you what happens. And I don't even know this. They got a partial sequence the first time.

Then they got another partial sequence the second time. And then it might have only been two times. Don't hold me to that fact, but they had to run it multiple times to get the different pieces to create the overall sequence. So a lot of man hours, a lot of time, a lot of machinery used to get that DNA profile, which was eventually used to create that family tree.

So shout out to Intermountain for really doing everything they could and basically taking, this is a saying, some of you probably heard, turning chicken shit into chicken salad. You ever hear that before? No. Now you have. Now you have. Chicken shit into chicken salad.

And they did it. This was not a good sample to work with. It had a lot of bacteria in it from all the water but they were able to do it chicken sick shit in the chicken salads they turned lemons into lemonade basically that's you know listen tomato tomato you go with what you want to go with more appetizing but so the the crazy thing is though once they did get this dna profile they figured out oh this prebble penny this unidentified person had been incorrectly identified as a biological female. And actually, due to the presence of the Y DNA, this person is a biological male.

That can make some complications, huh? When you're looking for a female for 60 years. Yeah, they were looking in the wrong place. Yeah. They cut their pool in half. They cut their pool in half and it wasn't even the right pool. They weren't even going to find this person at all, no matter what. I don't care if they had some Star Trek technology in the 60s, they would not find the right person because they were looking in the wrong place. Absolutely. Looking for love in all the wrong places. Yep. So this DNA kit was then uploaded to GEDmatch, which is a DNA database.

And then it started to undergo genealogical research on March 28th, 2023. And this is the time when Derek was calling me all the time. He's like, oh, it's not going to happen any day. Like what's going on? But it literally, I feel like, I feel like they had it that same day because the press release says that Moxie Forensic Investigation released the identification to Shelby County on March 28th. And they said, here's your person. His name's Albert Allen Frost. And so we've got to talk a little bit about Albert because first of all, Derek and I were talking about this. I don't know if we were still alive when we were talking about it. We were like, this is the coolest name ever, Albert Allen Frost. He sounds-

It's a great name. Great name. But he had kind of a rocky life. So he was born on January 25th, 1935 to get this. His dad's name is Martin Van Buren Frost. Like the president. Martin Van Buren Frost and Eva Catherine Berryman. And Albert was actually the youngest of eight children born to his parents. It's kind of crazy because it seems that he lost touch with his family. How old did they say he was? His mother said she lost some when he was 16.

I think 1963, 1964 is when they're approximating that he passed away. They said between 63 and 65. They're not exactly sure. But either way, his nephews, I think it's his brother's kids. His nephews were like, yeah, we saw him sometimes. You know, he would show up and he would stay for a little bit. One of the nephews said the longest he thinks his uncle stayed around was for like three months. And he actually said he kind of admired him at that time as a kid because he was nine. And he was like, I looked at my Uncle Albert and I was like, this guy just goes where the

wind takes him. Like he does whatever he wants. He's not like restricted to the rules of society. He's a rolling stone. But he was also described by his nieces and nephews as being somebody who never really had a home. He kind of was all over the place. Now, we do know that he was a proud military veteran of the United States Army. In fact, he was known to wear his military-issued army jacket everywhere, but he also had some other issues. So it looks like he got married on January 9th, 1959, to Ida Caudill in Campbell County, Tennessee. I even read somewhere that they had adopted a two-year-old girl named Tammy, but then they were divorced on March 22nd, 1960.

And it probably was because, like I said, Albert's kind of a rolling stone. He's not staying anywhere for very long. He doesn't really have a place that he calls home. And he was into some kind of trouble. So he got arrested for larceny and things like that. So on March 30th, 1959, right basically a year before they got divorced, he was arrested on a larceny charge for stealing contributions from an Easter seal container at Duke's Tavern.

On September 8th, 1960, he was 25 years old and he was fined $100 and sentenced to 30 days in jail for larceny in connection with the theft of a table model radio owned by Mrs. Mallory Hale, who was his sister. So he stole a radio from his sister and he got sent to 30 days in jail for that. And when he got arrested, he had no address to list. So obviously he's kind of all over the place. And then on July 10th, 1961, an article appeared in the local paper that said Albert Frost admits to looting over 100 cars. So at age 26, again, he's charged with larceny. And again, he's arrested by the police. And again, he provides no home address. So it's kind of sad in general. It looked like, you know, they said that they had mistaken him for a woman because of his small stature,

but they did know that he wore a dental plate. He had tuberculosis. Was it tuberculosis? Yep. Yep. Yeah. So the last time his nephew saw him, he had tuberculosis. He was sniffling a lot. He just wasn't doing great at that point. But here's the thing. He kind of vanished. He just lost touch with his family. Albert's family never even knew he was married, by the way. And it's unclear what happened. But between 1963 and 1964, Albert Frost disappeared. No one ever reported him missing. But the thing is, he wasn't the only Frost sibling to vanish mysteriously because his

22-year-old sister, Clara Frost, also went missing, albeit a decade before he did, but still kind of weird. She went missing between 1950 and 1952, and she left two children behind. Her remains have never been found. And so George Frost was Albert's brother and the father to this nephew I keep referring to. George Frost told his children, listen, there's a rumor

and there's like family rumors that have been going around that their mother had sold Clara to a German man. And there were also rumors that Albert had been beaten to death outside of a bar and then rolled up in a carpet on someone's porch. Now, these are obviously just rumors. George Frost is no longer alive. So unfortunately, we cannot ask him because that would be a very interesting thing to ask. Like, why did you think this? You know, where did you get this information from? Is there any substance to it? Or was it just something that his parents had come up with? Yeah, hearsay, just something he heard. Either way, though, I don't think it's crazy to state that it looks like Albert, his death

was due to nefarious circumstances. Whoever killed him did try to conceal the remains. And in a shallow grave, but seriously, it took a couple of years for the floods and everything and the flooding rain to expose the body. But because it was 1968, it just bothers me that when those remains were found in 1968, no, because his family was all still alive, that nobody was like, is that Albert? Maybe because they said, we think this is a woman. And so what if they'd said, this is a man. And then maybe Albert's family would have been like, well, our son is missing. Our brother is missing. Okay. So yeah, there's definitely a few things there. First off, let's go back to the identification because I think it's super cool. We can throw it up on

the screen right here. So Moxie forensics would be way better at explaining this, but just to give you the 36,000 feet version, essentially they developed that family tree from the DNA and they were able to match it to a third cousin, a great niece, and a first cousin once removed. And I don't know who the relative was that they made a physical match with, but once they do all that within GEDmatch, then they actually go and get an actual swab from one of those family members who are willing to do that. And that's when they come up with the confirmation because obviously you want to get this right. You don't want to have another misidentification. So they had to get in contact with family members, explain what was going on, and then get one to

agree to this, even though they didn't really know Albert. It's been a long time since that happened. But back to what you were just saying about three minutes ago, as far as his death, we'll probably never know. I actually would say more than likely we will never know. But I think you're spot on. His death was definitely concealed. Someone buried him, right? Because if he had just passed away along that riverbed, someone would have found him relatively soon after his passing and said, hey, there's a guy who expired over here. We don't, unknown cause of death. Police would have been involved, all that good stuff. No, he was buried and then found much later after the ground eroded away from all of this water. So as you just mentioned, someone buried him quickly, shallow grave with, I believe, the intention on him never being found.

And when you couple that with his criminal history, it's not a far fetch to say, oh, you know, maybe he stole from the wrong person. Yeah. That's all it takes, right? Back then, you steal from the wrong person. Yeah. That's all it takes, right? Back then, you steal from the wrong person. And even if it was someone who he had wronged earlier in life, they finally caught up to him. Or maybe it was a fight in a bar or something that got out a little out of hand. There's a million scenarios that could play out here. Again, it's always possible he passed away from illness, but who buried him then? Who buried him then? And why would they bury him and not tell someone if there was nothing, like you said, nefarious going on? So if I had to guess, and I'm not just saying it because it's the case we worked, I would say more than likely he was murdered. And we just will never, we had a hard time finding out who he was. So the chances of us finding the person responsible, slim to none. But overall, thinking about what we did here, what you did here,

because without you guys contributing to criminal coffee, this would not be possible. No human being should leave this earth and leave without people knowing their name, right? For all these years, and there's so many of these cases where you have an individual like this who's buried somewhere. And even if they're found by professionals, they're buried. Like even this body, even Albert's body was buried somewhere without a tombstone. We have now collectively as a community restored his name. And regardless of what you believe in religious wise, it doesn't matter. That in and of itself is profound and impactful and something that every one of you should be proud of because not only are you a true crime consumer, but you

have now directly contributed to solving a case. And Detective Turner, Moxie Forensics, they've all said it. Without this funding, that wouldn't have happened. They would have still been looking for a woman who disappeared during that timeframe. It wasn't until the funding was provided that this case was solved. So it's a huge win. And I am so proud of everyone involved. I'm so proud that company, we'd be talking about our first solve. It's a big deal. It's a really big deal. And it shows what you can do if you come together and actually make a difference in these cases that people sometimes look at us a little weird because we cover true crime or you listen or watch true crime. Now you're doing that, you're consuming the content, but also contributing in a positive way. It's a pretty big deal. Yeah, and I mean, I think that it's also good for us

to have some closure on this because now we can look forward to our next solve, our next case. And we're excited about that. And we were just talking about it before we recorded, like, okay, what are we gonna tackle next? Like, who are we gonna help next? What are we gonna do next with this, you know, basically this toolkit that we now have

and we know has worked and is effective and we can put it into action more often now. So it's very exciting to focus on what's next. Obviously, it's very sad that Albert died this way. And when you start to be invested in a case this way, and like we said, it's been a year since we went to Utah. So it's been a part of our weekly routine of checking in with Preble Penny. What's happening with this case? Even more so than they probably wanted me to check in. Yeah, mainly Derek. Yeah, I was bothering a lot of people. But you get invested into the person that you're trying to identify. And then when you hear his name, when you hear about his story, like you're still invested, you're more invested now. And it feels good to give him his name back and know he's going to have a headstone with

his name on it. And he's going to have a place where people can go and talk to him and, you know, mourn him now properly, whatever living relatives he has left, because he still has people who remember him. You know, he's got his nephew who was nine the last time he saw him, but he remembers Uncle Albert and how he thought this guy was so cool for just doing what he wanted to do and not letting anybody stop him. And it's sad still, though. It's sad still, because there could have been many paths for Albert, and we will never know what happened. So there's that lack of closure. But at least we know who he is now. And he didn't just appear as a blip on this earth for a moment

in time and then vanish into nothingness. Absolutely. Couldn't agree more. Well said. I mean, talking to a 25, 26-year- old guy who definitely had some issues. And I think the family dynamic there, as I don't think it's saying anything that's out of pocket, the fact that they never even reported him, it kind of gives you an indication of what some of the things may have been going on. But regardless, it doesn't matter. We can only do what we can from our end. And as you said, we're going to do more of them and hopefully more frequently. And we do that with you guys. And that's why we promote criminal coffee so much. It's one of those things where we're only going to be able to do as much as we can with that coffee company. As much as we're bringing in, the more cases we can fund. We're already ready to fund our next one. We already have the money for the next one, but we're already thinking, okay, well, that one took a very long time.

So ideally, we would like to have two or three going at once, right? Well, that one took a very long time. So ideally we would like to have two or three going at once. Right. Well, that one took a very long time. That one took a very long time. And I don't want to be, I don't want to be the guy who's emailing them constantly like I was, but I felt an obligation to you guys because this is our first case. It's the whole principle behind our company is solving these cold cases or at least funding them. And the website hadn't been updated in a very long time with an update about Preble. And you guys were asking us about it. And I was just, you know, I wanted to get the results. So we got them. We learned some things through the process. We're going to fund more cases. They may be dough cases. They may be

unsolved homicides. They may be, there's a lot, a lot of you mentioned the sexual assault, the rape kits that are out there. There's thousands of them. Maybe that's an avenue as well. So, you know, we have a lot of options on the table. Oh, dude, could you imagine if we, if we were able to process one of those rape kits and a rapist was arrested because of it? Why not?

He would be so pissed. He would be so pissed. Why not though? Right? Yeah. I mean, I'm completely down for it. Why not? Why would be so pissed. He would be so pissed. Why not though? Right? Yeah. I mean, I'm completely down for it. Why not? Why can't we?

I mean, I think we could do multiple rape kits at once, honestly, and just hope to take many rapists in at the same time, like a sting rapist arrest. Well, you could have a situation where if they're able to run those kits, that multiple kits could come back to the same suspect, right? You could have a serial rapist that we don't know about yet because those kits haven't been ran and entered into the system. So they're just sitting there in an evidence locker. So a lot that can be done. We're only one small company, but regardless, we're making a dent. What's the alternative? Doing nothing. And that's not going to happen. So I think my final words on it, obviously, we're going to put this one to rest. We're going to update the website. I'm actually writing an

email as I'm sitting here talking with you guys for the web designer. We're going to put the PowerPoint from Detective Turner's press conference up on the website. So you can see that we'll do a new graphic saying it's solved. And the goal is to eventually have that page filled with solved cases from you guys. And so we're just going to keep moving on to the next one. My final word is thank you. Thank you for supporting the product, right? Because a lot of you are coffee drinkers and support the product regardless. But thank you for making this dream a reality.

Oh, now that you say that, don't you have a code for them? Yeah, you know what? We are going to do a code, right? And we want to do it after you want to do it on his name. Yeah. Let's do it. It should be like, should it be Albert or should it be Frost or should it be Albert Frost? I like Albert Frost. Okay. Let's do Albert Frost code, Albert Frost. And that's going to give you 10% off your order at criminal coffee. Now, listen, this is a good thing. Think of it as like a black Friday deal too, okay? Because the holidays are coming up and we know you know people that like coffee.

We know you know people that love coffee, right? Buy a bunch of coffee for yourself and then tell your spouse, hey, this is for my stocking. I'm gonna have you put it in there for me. Just take advantage of the code, gift your family members and friends and loved ones criminal coffee because not only are

they going to get great coffee, but they're also going to be a part of helping us solve these cases as well. And that's great. What better way to bring your family together during the holiday season than to fight crime together? Absolutely. Our thoughts, prayers with Albert Frost's family. And most importantly, Albert Frost himself.

He now has his name back. He can rest in peace, as you said, on the press conference. It's a big win. You guys should all be very proud. Any final words from you other than the code? Yeah. Can we talk about the live really quick? Because I just wanted to address some of the comments who were like, why are Derek and

Stephanie hate each other and are so mean to each other? That's just how we are like on a regular basis. I don't think that there was anything. No, well, it's the same thing. It's the same thing that you always say too. It's listen, you guys, and I don't even want to make this a thing because I was getting frustrated when that was spoken about in the comments when the focus should be on Albert. But my 32nd thing-

I don't mind it. I just want to reassure you guys, there's nothing wrong. There's nothing going on. We talk to each other every day. We're very comfortable and familiar with each other. And we work together. So that's how we talk. And that's how our dynamic is. And we're very happy with it. So you don't have to worry. You don't have to worry. My frustration was very simple. It wasn't with Stephanie. In fact, she saved us by getting it up and running. My frustration was, you can hear my passion with this whole thing,

to have something take a year and then have the part that you guys get to see not be perfect for me was a problem. That's a personal thing for me where I just, and Stephanie knows me, that shit really bothers me because- That's i told him just calm down it's fine you know i know him i know he gets like that with certain things and i don't get like that with those things because for me it's just like yo we're doing our best yeah and if it's not good enough then it's

not good enough but i can't do any better right now like this is all i have to give and i'm okay with that and if you're not okay with it, then you're not okay. I wanted to be there. Remember I was going to try to go a day. I invited us to go. I was going to try to go. And obviously if I was there, it's just such a busy time. That shit would have been perfect. You know what I mean? Like we would have had cameras and I would have had a microphone. You would have had everything. And so those thoughts are running through my head too. Like, you know what? I should have just said F it and got on a flight, but no, that's really all I got to say. it. Like, you think that you're a perfectionist and you think you're a control freak until you meet Derek, right?

Yeah, basically. I'm very type A. I'm a perfectionist. I'm a control freak. But also, I have a very like, let go and let God kind of demeanor too. So when things get too stressful. Yeah, you're able to self-medicate. Yeah, when things get too stressful for me, I'm like, yeah, I can't do anything about it. You know, it's just my, my coping mechanism, his is different and we balance each other out and we

know how to soothe each other in the times when we're both triggered. So what you see is a dynamic that you don't often see because it's just how we are with each other all the time, but we work well together. We balance each other out. We're perfectly fine. There's no animosity and And that's it. So you don't have to worry. You don't have to worry. You don't have to worry. Yeah. I mean, you can still comment, but I just feel like in that moment, we got to focus on what's important. And for me, not even for you guys, there was a point that it was a really gratifying moment for me because I'm not a full-time detective anymore. I have a PI firm, but my job for 13 years was the gratification of solving a case. And it wasn't always a case like this. It was sometimes just a larceny or a B&E, something really simple, but you put in all

that work and then you get the result. And that feeling, that dopamine hit, as you would describe it, Stephanie, that feeling of accomplishment, I don't normally get all the time covering cases that aren't mine on Crime Weekly. So to have that experience, to have that feeling again, and to also be able to share it with you guys was really cool for me. And it makes me just want to do more of them. So I'm all about it. I'm happy. I'm excited. I want to do 15 cases right now, but we would go bankrupt as a company if I did. So we can't. Not yet anyways. Not yet, not yet. We're going to get there now.

One day, one day, day one day soon i hope no absolutely guys it'll be all updated on the website just a reminder it's albert frost just albert frost that's it a l b e r t f r o s t all one word uh use all caps let's go all caps i'm gonna put it in there as all caps you'll get 10 off i'll probably do it till the end of the month but yeah go check it out. We appreciate the love and support. We're going to get ready to record Crime Weekly Part 2. Everyone stay safe out there. Of Maya Kowalski, Crime Weekly, Maya Kowalski Part 2. Yeah, that's right. Part 2 coming out. Got that coming. It'll come out, and actually,

this is going to come out on Thanksgiving Day. So, you know, happy Thanksgiving. Yeah, happy Thanksgiving. Enjoy it. We will talk to you guys soon. Stay safe out there. Later. Bye.