Crime Weekly - S3 Ep250: Crime Weekly News: Arrest Made in "Bear Attack" Murder
Episode Date: November 13, 2024Daren Christopher Abbey has been arrested and charged with the murder of Dustin Kjersem. Police have still not pieced together the motive for the vicious attack, but they say Daren has confessed to th...e crime. They were able to link Daren to DNA left at the crime scene. Try our coffee!! - www.CriminalCoffeeCo.com Become a Patreon member -- > https://www.patreon.com/CrimeWeekly Shop for your Crime Weekly gear here --> https://crimeweeklypodcast.com/shop Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/c/CrimeWeeklyPodcast Website: CrimeWeeklyPodcast.com Instagram: @CrimeWeeklyPod Twitter: @CrimeWeeklyPod Facebook: @CrimeWeeklyPod ADS: 1. PDSDebt.com/CrimeWeekly - Get your FREE debt analysis today!
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And this was a quick turnaround. Last week on Crime Weekly News, we were covering the murder of dustin jersom 35 years old
from montana uh it happened or he was found on october 10th and we had talked about some different
scenarios we we discussed the friend who uh reported finding him we also threw out some
theories and it turns out unfortunately uh one of our theories were correct another scenario is this
this person approaches the campsite as a friendly and they say, hey, you know, I ran out of water or I ran out of food.
And kudos to law enforcement.
We had talked about this one and how it was solvable and what they could do.
And there is an update and arrest in this case.
And Stephanie's going to talk about it.
Yeah.
So they actually identified the person who's responsible for taking Dustin's life as 41-year-old Darren Christopher Abbey.
And they were able to arrest him after his DNA was discovered on a beer can at the campsite where Dustin's body was found.
It looks like Dustin was killed on October 10th.
He was found two days later by friends who thought he'd been mauled by a bear.
The men, they didn't know each other. So the guy who was arrested, Darren Christopher Abbey,
did not know Dustin before they happened to run into each other in the great outdoors.
And the Gallatin County Sheriff, Sheriff Dan Springer, he said there's no motive for the
attack yet. But apparently, Dustin Gerserson welcomed his killer to share his campsite, which is about 35 miles south of the city of Bozeman, Montana.
And at some point, the killer, Abby, he hit Dustin with a piece of wood, then stabbed him with a screwdriver, and then attacked him with an axe. The suspect allegedly returned to the crime scene later to remove items from the camp
he thought might tie him to the murder, but he missed that beer can with his DNA on it.
He has confessed to the killing, so this isn't an investigation type thing. He told police he
attacked his victim after discovering him at the site where he had planned to camp.
And then this guy, the killer, Abby, led the police to several items he'd stolen from the campsite, including an axe, guns, and a cooler.
And Sheriff Springer has said, quote, this appears to be a heinous crime committed by an individual who had no regard for the life of Dustin Gersom.
We have a bit of his story.
We don't really know what the true story is, end quote.
Yeah, I mean, it can't just be you were camped at the place where I wanted to camp.
There has to be something else going on here.
There could be.
So Mr. Abbey's currently being held on $1.5 million bail.
So he's not going anywhere, hopefully.
Yeah, we talked about it last week and we talked about some potential theories surrounding this, like what could be the motive behind it?
And although it may not make sense to you and I,
I did mention that hunters and fishermen,
they are very territorial about their areas.
I've had it happen to me, frankly,
where not to this extreme, obviously,
but I've had it happen to me where there's the more veteran fishermen.
I was relatively new to it, getting a
boat, going out there and I'm sitting in a specific area and here this guy comes with his buddy or
whatever and they're huffing and puffing because they came around the corner and I'm already in
their spot, quote unquote, in their spot. And they'll make a passive aggressive comment like,
oh, you know, how long are you going to be there? Or how's the fish today? You
know, yeah, we know it's a good spot. Nice of you to, you know, hop in there. Or there's even more
extremes where I've had a situation or two where, especially when you're doing like freshwater
fishing, you want to be still, you want to be quiet. If somebody's not happy with me, they may
do something like drive by really fast on their boat to disturb the water and scare the fish.
They didn't say anything, but they said a lot without saying anything at all. So when we were talking about this last week and we were talking about how, you know, he was out there by
himself, it was either this plot that had taken place that we were going to learn about, or it
was going to be this territorial type situation where somebody who clearly has some issues, some anger issues at
minimum, was pissed off that Gersom was in his spot. And it appears to be the case. And we talked
about how they would identify the killer, because if this was a stranger, we talked about the idea
of finding something at the campsite that may link back to the suspected killer. And that's exactly
what happened. It appears that Abby said, oh, you know what? Shit. You know, with science and technology these days,
they're catching people all the time with DNA and other ways of catching them. So my GPS data from
whatever I'm carrying, if he's carrying a phone or not, is going to tie him back here. And now
on top of that, if my DNA is found at the crime scene, that's a problem because I don't know Gersom. So if my DNA
is found at that campsite, I'm in trouble. So he goes back there and he does, I think, what the
majority of people would do. He grabs the items that were used in the actual crime. He probably
has this level of urgency to get out of there as quickly as possible, just in case someone else
stumbles upon the campsite. And in the process of hastily going through everything,
he forgets that at some point he probably came into the campsite and presented himself as a
friendly, like some fishermen have done to me until they start talking. And he's having a beer
with them, thinking about when to make his move. And then he attacks, but he forgot that he did
that. Think about this incident and what happened.
I'm not saying Abby's a good person, but it was a horrific murder. So a lot of it is probably just
he blacked out during some of it and forgot that maybe even he had a beer with Gerson beforehand.
And fortunately, he left that beer can behind. And this is just another great example of where we are in society right now when
it comes to law enforcement. DNA, man, it's a superstar. And the scary thing is it's only going
to get better. But 10 years ago, 15 years ago, that's not that long ago. This crime would not
have been solved this fast. But now you take a sip of a beer can and you're effed. You're done.
Did you say bear can?
Beer can.
I get what you're saying. And we even last week we were talking about it. We were like,
man, it's the middle of nowhere, no cell phone service. Like it might be impossible.
Yeah.
To figure out who did this, you know, because they're not going to be so stupid to like
leave their DNA hanging around. But here you are. He was.
With a murder that involved as well, it would be hard not to have some type of transfer of trace evidence.
I mean, the beer can is just stupidity.
He missed it.
Right.
But when the attack occurred, whether it was defensive wounds or whatever, you know, altercation to take place unless he caught
Gerson completely off guard, where maybe he would have the attacker's DNA under his fingernails or
on his jacket, whatever. But the beer can is just a complete mistake on Abby's part. He just
flat out missed it. I think it's absolutely ridiculous that you, I mean, this was a violent
murder, right? Like somebody was angry who did this. That's what they said.
To find out you never even met this person before and the most that they did to you is camp where you planned on camping. And that was the motivation for this horrendous,
violent, brutal murder. There's some mental health things going on here. There has to be.
And you could be right too. There may be more to the story that we end up finding out.
It may have started off with Abby being pissed off
that he was in his spot.
And then maybe there's a conversation happening.
Who knows what it could be about?
Who knows?
Where it irritates him even more,
what something he says.
Yeah, where he was kind of maybe even joking,
like, oh, you got my spot.
And Dustin was like, well, you know,
early bird gets the worm.
Kind of just like playing it off, not thinking this guy was seriously pissed. And then Abby over
here is like, did he really just say that to me? And then he snaps, who knows? But regardless,
the fact that people are walking around out there on the verge of snapping like this,
that is the true crime and the true scary thing that we need to address. That people
are really struggling with their mental health right now. People have a lot of anger issues. this. That is the true crime and the true scary thing that we need to address, that people are
really struggling with their mental health right now. People have a lot of anger issues. People
are on the verge. A lot of people are kind of just really run thin because it has to really
nothing happened here that was serious as far as we know. Abby admitted to it as soon as the police
got to him and he wasn't like, oh, this guy attacked me or, you know, tried to attack me and I was defending myself. So as far as we know, he hasn't
even alleged that. This is a scary situation. I'm speculating here based on what they have said,
but the fact that Gersom was struck with a piece of wood, stabbed with a screwdriver,
and also attacked with the axe indicates to me that there was some type of
altercation maybe a mutual altercation and that could have been just jursem defending himself
but it seems like this was an evolution where maybe the intent wasn't to kill at first this
could have been two drunk guys in the middle of a fight out in the woods and they're both
grabbing stuff because it sounds like the a piece of wood
or a screwdriver those are things that were accessible and in arm's reach at the time when
the fight's transpiring and then the axe is what's done to finish the job and so to make sure that
whoever you know to make sure that jersom's dead so there could be more to the story where we find
out that as i just mentioned they're arguing over something a punch gets thrown they're rolling
around on the ground Abby's able to get a piece of wood he whacks Gersom with it he gets off
grabs a screwdriver again that's nearby or maybe he has it on himself pulls the screwdriver out he
stabs him now Gersom's injured and he's and he's more than likely fatally injured. And that's when Abby
grabs the ax and, and, and finishes, finishes them off. So there's definitely more to this story,
not saying any of it makes it better, but I I'm, I'm, I'm curious to find out what Abby ends up
conveying what the motive was like, how did this transpire? Is he going to go with the defense
angle where he says, listen, we're out there, we're having some beers. All of a sudden, Gerson started talking
crazy. He pushed me, he shoved me, he punched me. In defense of myself, I grabbed a piece of wood
and I whacked him with it. And then Gerson picked up a screwdriver and attacked me and I was able
to get it off him. Who knows? The sad thing is there's only one side to the story now. Hopefully
forensically they can tell if he's lying or not, but I'm going to be interested to see how this
goes. Does Abby have defensive wounds? Exactly. Does he have injuries? Right now I'm not defending
the guy. It's probably not going to work out that way, but it's not going to stop him from at least
presenting that argument. And I'm sure his attorney is going to tell him to do so as well. So we'll have to keep following this one.
This is why we do these cases on Crime Weekly News. They're topical, they're current,
and they're a little bit, there's not as much meat on the bone, so it's not really
enough for a Crime Weekly episode, but it's an interesting conversation and there's a lot that
we can learn. And it also, I enjoy it because it kind of sends the message that law enforcement is really getting good, especially from a
forensics perspective, where if you commit a crime and you're not on your A game, you're going to get
caught. And I say it, I've said it since we started the show, you know, detectives, we try to be as
good as we can, but ultimately we're just trying to find the mistakes.
And the margin of error when committing a crime because of science, not even because of us, but because of science is becoming smaller and smaller.
That window where you can get away with something, you really got to be on it.
You might as well wear like a Tyvek suit and just cover yourself from head to toe with a mask and gloves.
Because otherwise, you're probably going to leave something behind and the labs out there are good enough to find it now. It's a great thing.
Great thing for us. Bad thing for criminals. I'm just a little like unsettled. I want to
take a quick break and go into our next story, but I'm unsettled because when you hear a story like
this, some, a man gets attacked while he's camping in the woods. You're like, oh, it's a serial
killer. It's a psychopath. You know, that's what you would expect. That's what you would think about.
But now it's just like it could be just your fellow man, any random person who's like dealing
with something hard in their life, who feels like they have a reason to snap out to snap and lash
out can be a danger to you now. And it was like we used to be able to depend on each other. And
now we have to keep our guard up against every single person we meet. Cause it's not just your, you know, Charles
Manson's or Ted Bundy's out there that are systematically going around and acting crazy.
It's just the average person now. And that's kind of unsettling for me, but.
I'm with you. I'm with you. It's tough. And, you know, we're going into this break and it's the funny story behind it is as we were researching this
case and you think about this has got to be a one in a million, right? Bear attack turns out to be
a murder. Well, as we were researching this case, there's another crime relating to a bear attack
or the alleged bear attack. So we're going to take our one and only break. We'll be right back. I'm going to talk about that case because it's a crazy one.
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Yeah, so we're back.
When I was pulling, when I was trying to pull up articles about the Dustin Gersom case,
I was like, Derek, this is crazy because it looks like the guy that they arrested actually has done this before.
And then we figured out we were talking about two completely different cases.
However, they all just happened.
So Dustin Gersom's killer is arrested.
And then this other guy.
This is an isolated incident.
They're not connected.
Then this other guy is arrested for staging a bear attack
so he could steal somebody's identity so it's absolutely insane what are the chances and this
happened we were like derek this article got released two hours two hours ago so his name's
nicholas wayne hamlet he pretended to be a man named brandon andrade so So this was October 24th, around 11.34 p.m. This guy, Nicholas Wayne Hamlet,
called 911, and he said, my name's Brandon Andrade. I'm injured and trapped in a body of water
because a bear chased me off a cliff while I was hiking in Hamilton County, Tennessee.
And so authorities traced the call to an area near Talico Plains, northwest or northeast of Chattanooga,
and there they found a corpse with this guy, Brandon Andretti's identification. But then they
kind of looked further into it and they were like, okay, the injuries are not consistent with a bear
attack. The injuries are not consistent with a fall from a high height. And on top of that,
once they did the DNA and fingerprints and stuff, they were like,
this is not Brandon Andretti either, even though he's the guy who called and the guy whose ID we found. So then they identified the dead body as 34-year-old Knoxville resident Stephen Douglas
Lloyd. And apparently, Nicholas Wayne Hamlet, who's the guy who called pretending to be Brandon
Andretti, met Stephen, became friends with him,
lured him into a wooded area so that he could take Stephen's life and his identity. Police said
they later learned that Brandon Andretti's ID had been stolen by Hamlet and he was using it.
And they believe that Hamlet stole the identification of Brandon Andrade to escape parole, and then faked his own death for an unknown reason.
So basically, he killed his friend, Stephen, so that he could plant this fake identity on him,
and I guess fake Brandon Andrade's death.
Okay, so then the way they end up capturing the guy, there's so many names that are included with this case.
So the main guy, Nicholas Wayne Hamlet, who used Brandon Andrade as like an alias and who killed his friend, Stephen.
Police in South Carolina notified the police in Tennessee that they had a fugitive who was armed and dangerous at a local hospital.
So then the police wrote on Facebook, basically, they wanted to thank the media, the news media,
for sharing Hamlet's wanted poster throughout the country because this is what made it possible for
the people in South Carolina to identify him at their hospital. And then obviously he was caught. And that's pretty much all it is now.
But I liked the statement that Joseph Carrico, who's the special agent in charge of the FBI's
national field office, said during a press conference. He said, quote, the long arm of the
law has a long and huge reach and we will find you no matter where you hide. The deputies and
investigators here know their country well. The TBI agents know
their state well. The FBI and the Marshal Service know that country well and have reached across
the world. So there's nowhere to hide, end quote. And basically, it kind of goes back to what you
were saying when we were discussing the first case, where it's like you're in a place now where
technology, law enforcement, they've reached a progression where it's very difficult to do anything and get away with it.
Whether it's cameras, whether it's DNA, whether it's fingerprints, whether it's, you know, having the news media, but not only that, social media to pass around wanted posters.
It's hard to do something and get away with it now, which is kind of the place we want to be.
Yeah, that's exactly right. And it's not
only when we talk about the evolution of science and technology when it comes to DNA, because I
think that's what everyone thinks about. It's the communication abilities as well. And the databases
that we now all share. You have NamUs, you have APHIS, you have CODIS, you have NCIC, all these
different acronyms. What it means is basically it's a sharing of information throughout the country, sometimes
throughout the globe, where something can happen in California and there can be evidence
there that the guy in South Carolina who's working his own case, who doesn't even know
anything about this crime that happened in California, can just enter something into
CODIS or enter something into APHIS.
And all of a sudden, the computer program does all the work for them and says, Hey, guess what? Your person you're looking for,
they've also done it before here. And they had a suspect in that one. And then the ball starts
rolling on top of that, the sharing of information. Like you said, you have people that are from all
parts of the country. Now we're all communicating with each other through whether it's our internal
databases, where we're able to digitally share information with other agencies and create a multi-jurisdictional
operation, which is the sake of the internet. So again, those capabilities are allowing us to work
together collectively to solve cases faster, especially when time is of the essence. So
I love it. It's a great thing for all of us, especially people who are concerned for their safety. Yes, there's no perfect plan. And as Stephanie was saying, you got to be aware of your surroundings because you're ultimately the first line of defense. And I know I've said it before. You got to go out there with a certain level of apprehension because you just don't know. You just don't know anymore what people have in store
for you or what their intentions are. So it's better to be safe than sorry. The good news is
just like we were talking about some of our ads, we were mentioning simply safe a few minutes ago
when we were recording our ads. These types of measures don't only serve as something that can
be reactive, they're proactive. So by taking a proactive approach and being out
there and being aware of your surroundings, you can prevent something from happening in the first
place. But unfortunately, if something does happen to you or someone you care about with the reactive
measures that are now available through law enforcement, the chances of catching your
offender are much higher, which is a good thing for everyone because yes, we're going to catch
them. But I think it also serves as a deterrent for everyone because yes, we're going to catch them.
But I think it also serves as a deterrent for most people out there who may say, you know what,
there's someone I can grab right there. And then they think about, shit, I have my phone on me and
there's cameras here and I didn't turn my phone off prior to this. So my GPS coordinates are going
to tie me to this. If they're smart, those are the things they're thinking about. And maybe that's
the reason they decide not to do it. I don't care why they decide not to do it as long as they don't. So it's a good
thing all around. These stories never get old and it's fascinating to see where we're going.
And I'm really interested to see where we are 10 years from now. Like we joke about it, but like,
it's going to be freaking minority report. Yeah. It'll be pre-crime, which is not what we want,
but that's, that's not what we want. That's not what we want. And
that kind of wraps up our coverage on these two cases. I'm going to transition, which is a nice
segue about pre-crime and where we could go. And it's relating to the CrimeCon cruise. I just got
back and there was an interesting question on the cruise. But before I get to that, I just want to
thank everyone who attended specifically for Crime Weekly. Obviously, Stephanie couldn't be there,
but everyone who came up to me was so nice. They had nothing but well wishes toward you and your family. And it's just really great to see all the support that we
have out there because we don't get that a lot by being behind these cameras. We only get the
comments and stuff. So to see you guys in person, it was an incredible experience. It's the first
one ever done. Stephanie will talk. We haven't even talked about it yet but you're gonna have to come to the next one it was awesome the amount of
crowd solving we did working with people like Matt Murphy, Paul Holes, Cheryl McCollum, Nate Eaton who
by the way I told him you're a fan of his and uh that uh you guys you're gonna love him he's great
and then obviously the team at CrimeCon they they were amazing as well. Everyone was awesome. And I end this episode with this question that was posed to us on the final day.
I don't know if I mentioned Paul Holes.
I think I might have forgot to mention the GSK guy, right?
The one who solved it all.
Paul Holes was there as well.
Incredible dude.
Really intelligent.
And we had this final day where it was Cheryl McCollum, who's CSI.
Matt Murphy is a prosecutor. Never lost, from what I understand. I was looking at statistics.
He's pretty good. He's got a good winning record. We'll say that. And then Nate Eaton,
incredible investigative journalist. And then Paul Holes, investigator specializes in DNA.
The question was posed to us on the last day, could we get to a point where scientists are
able to identify a genetic marker within these dangerous individuals, the people who are the
worst of the worst, where going forward, we can look for that marker that's mostly found in these
violent offenders? And haven't they already sort of done that with the brain? They've identified the brain that when brain scans like this, I think we've we've talked about this before that there is I forget what it's called. brains of violent criminals and has found similarities in their brain structures.
And there's, I forget exactly what it is, but there's something in there that he has seen and
identified sort of as the serial killer gene. That's interesting. And that is something where,
again, I'm not a scientist, this is way above my pay grade, but it's almost like CTE, right?
The brain can change over time based on your experiences. And maybe through these scans are able to find something that happens
in the brain that causes these individuals to do what they do. But this person was posing the
question like at birth, you'd be able to identify this genetic marker and understand that they were
predisposed to this high likelihood of violence. And we all agreed, we all agreed that that's not,
you can't go that direction.
You can't go there even if you were able to find it because they haven't done anything yet.
So, you know, I was glad to hear everyone on the panel was like, yeah, that'd be great,
but we can't get to the point where because someone has a certain genetic- And then what would you do? Yeah.
What do you do? Oh, throw the baby back. Can't use it. That one's no good. They're
going to be a serial killer. Yeah. Like how would you? It's the MAOA gene study for anybody that wants to sort of look
into it. It's a rare mutation leading to a complete deficiency of monoamine oxidase A,
which is associated with impulsive and aggressive behavior. And then with that and frontal lobe
stuff and all sorts of other things. Yeah, a lot going on there.
That's crazy. Yeah.
Pre-crime, it's coming.
It kind of goes back to that thing, like if you could go back in time and kill baby Hitler,
would you?
Right?
Because you know what he's going to do.
But is he going to do that or was it a nature versus nurture thing or was it the way he
was brought up?
He hasn't done it yet.
He's just an innocent baby right now.
It's like a complex moral and ethical sort of conversation.
I'll take one for the team.
I'm booting them off the boat.
You're booting baby Hitler.
You know what you guys,
you know,
I might end up if you were,
if you're someone who's religious,
I'm probably not going to the right place,
but I'm taking one for the team.
I'm like,
I'm like,
it's a complex,
I'm like,
it's a complex moral and ethical conversation.
And Derek's like, not for me.
See ya.
No, I mean, listen, if it wasn't him, it probably would have been someone else, right?
Someone else would have taken that role.
But I would have taken one for the team out there.
Don't worry, guys.
If you've told me that's him, you know what?
Look the other way, Stephanie. But you just believe the people that tell you that's baby hitler no i'm saying if you if we had a time
machine and i knew for sure that that's baby hitler like the mustache was already starting
to come in i would say i would say stephanie don't look i'd be like we have to have a conversation
about this derek and you'd be like yeah okay yeah stephanie can you go and grab me a chair
so we can have a conversation about this?
And I'd come back.
You'd come back and I'm going to go, wait, what?
I don't know where.
You're like, where'd that baby go?
He ran off.
He ran off.
He was only a baby.
I don't know.
He learned how to walk really fast.
He thought he could fly.
Oh, my God.
Okay, enough.
Let's wrap it.
Okay.
So serious note, though.
Thank you so much.
Thank you to everybody who came out to CrimeCon.
Looking forward to Denver.
We will both be there for Denver. And if you're ever thinking about doing the crime cruise in
the future, strongly recommend it. I can tell you now after experiencing it, it was a great time.
Although we did have to go through like a tropical storm and the water got a little choppy one night.
Did you get seasick? Were you sick?
I actually was fine.
Really?
I was fine the whole time. I don't know.
And because we got detoured because of the tropical storm, the only change that we had,
which wasn't necessarily a bad one, was because of the storm, we had to detour from Jamaica to the Dominican, which I'd never been to the Dominican.
So that was kind of cool.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Was the weather good there in Dominican?
Oh, it was amazing.
Yeah.
The only thing I missed is like there was a monkey exhibit there and I was in the port,
but I just must have missed it because I saw Nate Eaton and Cheryl McCollum got pictures
with the monkeys and I missed that.
I was pretty pissed off about that.
I'm pissed off for you.
I was by myself.
I was just out there drinking my pineapple pina colada and I had nobody.
You just left me to die and drive.
Are you saying if i was there i would
have made sure you got to the monkey exhibit i mean you might have you're always questioning me
so probably like derek but what about the monk you know you would have came up with something
but that's all we got we're gonna get into this week's uh gypsy rose we're gonna be recording it
right now you'll see it on friday if you're listening on audio and on sunday if you're
listening if you're watching on youtube we appreciate you guys being here everyone stay
safe out there we will see you later this week.
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