Crime Weekly - S3 Ep334: Amy Bradley: Our Interview with Brad Bradley (Part 5)

Episode Date: August 29, 2025

In the early morning hours of March 24, 1998, 23-year-old Amy Lynn Bradley vanished from the balcony of her family’s cabin aboard a Royal Caribbean cruise ship. Just a few hours earlier, she had been at a party, joking with her brother, dancing with the ship’s band, and planning out the next day’s adventure in Curaçao. By sunrise, Amy was gone. Her sandals were still on the balcony. Her cigarettes were missing. Her key card and license were gone too, but everything else had been left behind. What began as a family vacation quickly turned into a nightmare, and the moments leading up to Amy’s disappearance would raise questions that remain unanswered to this day. Try our coffee!! - www.CriminalCoffeeCo.com Become a Patreon member -- > https://www.patreon.com/CrimeWeekly Shop for your Crime Weekly gear here --> https://crimeweeklypodcast.com/shop Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/c/CrimeWeeklyPodcast Website: CrimeWeeklyPodcast.com Instagram: @CrimeWeeklyPod Twitter: @CrimeWeeklyPod Facebook: @CrimeWeeklyPod ADS: 1. https://www.TaskRabbit.com - Use code CRIMEWEEKLY for $15 off your first task!

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See it differently when you stream the best of British TV with Britbox. Watch with a free trial today. Hey everyone. Welcome back to Crime Weekly. I'm Derek Lavasar. And as you can see on the screen right here, as promised, Brad Bradley is with us tonight. For anybody who doesn't know, we did a four-part series on Amy Bradley. That was going to be the end of the series, but at the end of it, I had said, hey, listen, uh if if someone wants to see brad on here the floor the platform is his will give him an opportunity to come on and share whatever information he wants to share and one of you actually tagged brad on twitter tagged me as well and i happened to see brad respond to it saying yeah i'm willing to do that so i reached out to brad we talked briefly brad and i a couple things he had sent me some notes he had sent me a couple tictocks i've watched all of it i sent it all to stephanie so we can talk about that but we saved a lot of it for tonight so we can talk about that but we saved a lot of it for tonight so So, Brad, first off, thank you for being here.

I've been seeing a lot of your interviews. Yeah. I know you're going out there. You're spreading the message and I have a lot of respect for you because with Netflix, that's like the pinnacle, right? Like, that's going to get the most eyes and ears. And yet you're still out here pounding the pavement, spreading your sister's story when a lot of people would just say, I got it on Netflix.

I don't need to talk about anymore. Yeah. And as people who do this every week, it's not easy to come on here and work a full day's work and then come out and do podcasts or interviews when this is something that you would have rather not lived. So a lot of respect for you and thank you for coming on and we're going to basically throw the floor to you. You had said in one of your messages.

There's some things that were in your episode that are wrong and full disclosure, we have no incentive, no agenda. We want our viewers and our listeners to get the full story and we may mess up on things. So to have you here to enlighten us on certain things, that's the best thing possible. So thank you for being here. Well, yeah, thanks for having me. You know, yeah, I'm doing what I'm doing because, you know, for a lot of years, there was nothing going on, you know. Yeah. We were working old leads and still trying to do some things and talk to people. But when this Netflix thing came out, and then I have to admit,

you know, I didn't study for a test or I certainly wasn't prepared for what all was going to happen. In my mind, I feel like if we ever had a chance, this is probably the last one we get. So the last thing I want to try to allow to happen is for everything to kind of die down and everybody stopped talking about it and thinking about it and on to the next. So I'm trying to maintain people's interest and awareness and make sure there's a ton of bad information out there, whether it's misinformation or disinformation or it's kind of like that old telephone game where you whisper in first person's ear by the time it gets around the circle. Fair.

That's fair. We see it all the time. That's fair. That's my, that's been my intent. And, you know, I took on kind of the mantle of being the spokesperson for the family because my parents just, you know, my mom can't get through one question without losing it. So it's really tough on them. So it was my intent to kind of shield them.

from everything I've been facing, you know, although half the internet, or I might say three-fourths of the internet, is very kind and loving. You guys know well what the other fourth is like. Oh, yeah, all too well. But most people in this community all want the same thing. Resolution, answers, right? We all, as human beings, it's not natural for us to have this arcing story with no ending. We're conditioned because of movies and television. So it's natural for people to say, hey, there's got to be something here. It can't end like this. Yeah.

And it's awesome to see, because it is a big community, them to rally behind people they don't know to try to help them. And we're seeing with science and technology evolving, it's becoming more prevalent where it's actually happening, where people from home are contributing to solving cases. So it's a pretty cool time to be in this field because people at home are actually making a difference. Yeah, I've never seen anything like it.

I mean, obviously a lot of years ago, there was none of this. Nope. You know, we'd be on America's Most Wanted, and it was kind of a national broadcast, and no internet, no nothing like that, no Netflix, no Twitter, no Facebook, no, none of it. So, you know, this is a whole different level, obviously, of exposure and awareness. And I have to tip my cap to Ari Mark and Phil a lot from Netflix. They're producers from ample entertainment, and Netflix was the one who ended up picking up the show, But those guys, you know, people give them a lot of flack for not including this or that. But, you know, like you said on the last episode, I watched. And unfortunately, like I told you before we started, that was the only one I was able to watch from you. Yes, yes. You know, it's impossible to fit 27 years worth of detail in two and a half hours or whatever it was. So, you know, they did a tremendous job where, you know, me and Phil are best friends now, right? I didn't know that. No, I don't know if it was in episode four. It might have been three months.

Phil actually reached out to me or reached out to us through our Crime Weekly Instagram and he wanted to follow up on something that we had said that we had gotten from an article out of CNN and we'll talk about it but he basically which to your point really does care about it he reached out and was like hey you guys said something in your episode um do you have a source for that and I provided the source and all that stuff that was that yellow when he was informed of Amy's disappearance so he wanted the source for that we provided it but yeah right from Phil so I made a little bit of a joke about it because he left me on red and I was like but it's all good I respected the fact that you know even after the show's done 900 million

downloads or whatever it is now he's still reaching out to little podcasters to get sources as the showrunner you know so that's pretty cool yeah yeah they're great guys man um we really appreciate them and um you know I took I made an effort you know after it first came out you know, after, I mean, it's been at least 25 years since everybody's paying attention. And so I found, you know, that it was an opportunity, you know, while everybody's listening, I'm going to share everything I got. So, you know, I went on early and kind of said, you know, they didn't include this and the fact that she was dating the guy before and they kind of did that, you know, a whole sexuality deal, but didn't tell the whole story. I took a little bit of an issue with

that. And then, you know, the Scientology thing you guys touched on on the last episode, like you said, it flies contrary, obviously, to the predominant theories in my mind, but it's another thing that people don't know about. And, you know, just so you guys know, this is something I've been talking about since day one. Every single show we've ever done, it's been discussed. And what happens on these shows is in order for them, I guess it's etiquette, you know, if you're going to talk about it, you reach out to Scientology, you know, for a request for comment, and then they come at you with a slew of lawyers and threats, and then they decide not to carry it. And that, and that is frustrating as much as that angle and that

weird interaction and experience that we had bothered all of us over the years, no one would ever talk about it. And I, you know, I found it kind of telling, too. Stephanie was willing to speak and you kind of wanted to move on so you didn't get your life threatened to crime con. So it's again. Stephanie did a big little context because you probably don't know us from a hole in the wall. Stephanie did a whole series on her channel, which is much bigger than this. Well, I started. Started to on Scientology. And she had told me that some things were happening that were weird. And then so we went to this crime con in Vegas. And in Vegas. And there was a guy who literally showed up very well dressed,

waited in the meet and greet line to meet us, and we won't make it about that whole thing this episode, but I was a law enforcement officer for 13 years. I voted my private investigator for almost 20, for, well, this would be five years, 20 years in investigations. And I can tell you, I've interviewed a lot of people, there was something about this guy.

He wasn't there to meet us for CrimeCon. He was there to send a message directly to Stephanie. He didn't blink once. He didn't blink once. And so I was kind of joking, but what you're saying, and I'm not a conspiracy theorist, there's validity to it. And I'm not even directly pointing it at Scientology. Just in general, there's something there.

So I don't laugh at it because I've seen it. And I just want to make it clear, you know, people come at me and attack me like, oh, all of a sudden, the brother remembers this. Why don't we know about this? That says no one will talk about it, you know? That's fair. And I was one of those people who was like, why are we hearing about this now? But to your point, you've been talking about it from day one.

Yeah, even in the latest, you know, there's a People magazine cover. I think they did a dual cover with, I think I see Helen Mirren on one of them, and then I think Amy's supposed to be on another one. But I found, and I won't share all the details because it was told to me in confidence. But when they reached out to Scientology for requests for comment, you know, the lawyers and the threats descended on their staff and their editors, and they decided not to talk about it either. So again, every single time...

Totally don't blame them, especially a big production like that. It could have stalled it. And it's just weird to me, you know, they, there was a gal in Daily Mail that did an article, I don't know, four or five, right after the thing came out. And she touched on it, reached out, you know, for comment, and they responded like within three hours, which she found odd because, you know, she told me usually you have to hound these. people over and over again to get them to comment. And then I haven't heard from her since, so we might want to check on her. But yeah, so she brought it up. She talked about it. And she's really, you know, other than us talking about it now and me on X, you know, telling that story, everyone's afraid of them. And I think it's weird that they told her, you know, the U.S.

consulate apparently after they couldn't find a priest to come to our room, they claim. And they may be, they may be telling the truth. Who knows that the U.S. consulate contacted them. The ship, the company, I'm not allowed to say the name because we had to sign a contract after they sued us for mentioning the name of their company in combination with Amy's story. So you won't hear me say the word of that, you know, the name of that company. But we're allowed to say it. Yeah, yeah, or that ship. So. Okay. That's interesting.

You know, their people reached out to Scientology. Scientology claims the U.S. consulate reached out to them. And I've never been able to confirm that. And they, they said, hey, you know, I guess we, we understand you help people with grief and loss and your methods and whatever you do. And again, may well be the case. But my experience with them was very odd. Yeah, it was odd. It was very odd. All the people that I've spoken to, you know, I spoke to Aaron Levin Smith or Aaron Smith Levin from Scientology. I spoke to Tony Ortega. I spoke to Valesca Paris. I spoke to Claire Headley, who apparently was over top of Mike Render in that C-org.

You know, each one of them individually told me that it would be extremely unlikely, although each one of them admitted it was rather weird that those guys show up in our hotel room at midnight. And then you get back on X and I say, well, I feel a little bit better and people are like, yeah, believe them if you want to. So then I reach out to Jenna Mascavage. I think it was TikTok because I saw one of her videos. And this is now going back into, well, maybe I don't feel comfortable with putting that to bed. And I reached out to her and I find out she's married to Aaron Smith Levin.

And she doesn't really have anything else to offer me. And I think, okay. It's hard. It's very muddled. It's hard to get any clear answers. And you don't know whether to trust them or whether not to trust them. And who knows. But, you know, those two black ladies, I have no idea if they were actually Scientology.

FBI has told us years and years ago, quote unquote, we know who they are. However, they won't ever share that with us. So if they would have simply told us, hey, no, those ladies are from Aruba Customs or, you know, like the guy that Renner interviewed that was an ex-staff member or crew member that said they were likely either Arubaan customs or police. I think they boarded the ship with the entourage of performers that got on that night from Aruba. and who knows why the hell they were talking to Amy for an hour. What I found when I got home, because of that weird experience in that hotel room and, you know, them inviting us on that ship and I did a lot of research on them, I was able to find in some photos matching uniforms to those ladies. And whether they were back, I don't know, it was 27 years ago. Yeah.

But, you know, each one of the, you know, ex-Scientology people told me that, no, they wear white. and I don't think there were any black ladies on that vote and whatever. So Claire Headley told me that she never heard of Amy, never saw Amy, Gillesca Paris told me the same. And, you know, in the end, maybe they were just trying to help and apologize for bringing it up if that's the case. Yeah. But, you know, the FBI has always been dismissive of it, and I don't know why. They don't share any information with us or what they have or haven't done or looked into.

So it's just difficult to, like you say, in any investigation, you want to make sure everybody knows every little piece of it in case somebody knows something. That's right. If somebody has any little piece of information that can help, so that's why I brought it up. I've been talking about the damn story since the day after she disappeared, and no one's ever been willing to talk about it. Clarified for me, you have no reason to bullshit about it. And so that was one thing where I said, this is the first we're hearing about it. Well, you're hearing it from Brad's mouth.

Yeah. He's been talking about it. And I think it's understandable where people are a little nervous to talk about it because of the topic it covers. And as you even mentioned, the FBI, they've looked into it, but yet they don't share too much with you. That may be because it's an active investigation or it could be something else. Who knows? But I think it is important to share everything because, as you just said, I always say it. It may seem trivial to you or someone else, but someone listening or watching who you've never met before may go, oh, no, that's not true.

And I can prove it. And here's how. They don't have to be an investigator. They may be someone who has personal experience with that who can reach out to you directly. and share that information. So it never hurts to say it. That's for sure. Now I look back on that and I feel like it's probably a huge distraction from what I actually

think. And I want to get into that. Stephanie, did you have to say something first? I feel like I cut you off. I'm sorry. No, you're good.

It was something about you said the FBI, they are not or they have not shared their files with you at all. Ever. Any question we've ever asked them? The answer we get is, Mr. and Mrs. Bradley, you know, we cannot share that information. This is an open and ongoing investigation. So they will not work with us. They will not collaborate their information with what we've learned and what we've been able to determine over the years through our own

investigations. And we feel largely like any progress we've ever been able to make is because of us. We don't know what the hell the FBI has done. Like you touched on in your podcast, Mr. and Mrs. Bradley, we just don't have any evidence, Amy ever left the room. room. That's been their modus operandi since day one, apparently. So that kind of goes a long way to tell me if that's their belief, why would they do anything else? Why would they investigate any other angle, any other person? They seem to believe what they believe, which I feel 100% is absolutely wrong. And I don't think that they've done their due diligence or a proper investigation, which is why we're seeing a new team to do what should have been done all along.

And how could you change your mind if they don't share anything with you, right? Maybe if you had access to the folders and all the files, you as an intelligent person could sit there for a few weeks and read everything. And you seem like a pretty straight up guy where you'd say, hey, you know what? I went through their files. I see everything they did. They did do a pretty thorough investigation.

But without it, it's just speculation. So how is it that the FBI has allowed? agents to participate in a Netflix documentary, but will not allow the family of this missing person to have access to and view the files in any way, shape, or form, not even redacted. Have you asked for, I mean, I'm sure you've asked for this. I would. We've asked plenty of times for... What's their reason? The reason is simply it's an open investigation and they can't do it.

It's an open investigation that's going on, what, 20 years? 27 years, yeah. 27 years, almost 30 years, three decades. Yeah, and that's why we can't get access to the grand jury testimony, which includes the third eyewitness named Elizabeth, who was in the Viking lounge and testified that she saw Amy early that morning. Same time Crystal and Lori saw them come off the elevator from inside the Viking lounge. I saw Amy go up to the table where she was sitting at when I left the disco that night before, and I'll get y'all's time straight. Y'all were saying some wrong times, but you can hit us with it. She basically says that, and this is from an FBI email that was sent to us, that she saw

yellow come back down, fix a drink, handed Amy a dark drink, and then they got up and walked into an area further toward the back where she could no longer see them. A couple days later, after everything played out, she's back in the Viking lounge. And you have to understand this girl was apparently on some antibiotic that didn't allow for her to be in the sun. So she spent the majority of her time in that lounge. It has surrounding windows. She can see the pool. She can see the people. She can see the water, the island. So she's got a good vantage point from in there. And she was preparing for her excursion apparently that day. She had had a friendly relationship with the bartender in that lounge named Louis Lera. And after that happened, she said that the bartender

became very aloof and non-communicative towards her. And at one point, a girl who she estimated to be about 18 or 19 years old, came out from behind the bar yelling Signorita Kidnap, Senorita Kidnap. And then the bartender shuffled that girl back around behind the bar. Now, she testified to this in the grand jury in Richmond years and years ago. Now, again, we can't get that testimony because it's an open case, and you can't get grand jury testimony released. All of our requests through FOIA have been denied. We're working on appeals for that. So we've been Stonewall. We've gotten no information. from anybody except for little snippets and basically any information we've got is just in

relation to information we've provided to them. So I don't know how it all works or whether that's the right way supposed to happen or not, but that's been our experience. Do you think that's weird, 30 years in the FBI saying it's an open investigation, even though they claim they have no evidence of her leaving the room, which would lead to the supposition that the FBI's investigation, even though it's open, kind of makes them feel that she fell off the balcony in the room because there's no evidence she left the room. So why do they still have it open 30 years later if it doesn't appear to be? They can't close it without her. Why can't they give the family at least redacted access to the files? This is something that I criticize all the time on my show. I agree

with you. I think there has to be like a spectrum, right, where after 10 years, maybe we're not releasing much. 15 years, a little bit more, 20 years, it should be open source. Because at that point, you haven't solved anything. So allow a fresh set of eyes independent investigators to look at it. Completely agree with you guys. I'm just pointing out what they're going to say. I mean, as far as we know, the last thing, the last thing the FBI is done in this case is be part of a Netflix documentary. That's fair. Over under money lines, same game, Paul AIDS, it's all fine. You put a smile on your face.

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and people think what they're going to thank wrong. on a lot. That FBI agent Sheridan says in the documentary, quote, unfortunately, we were never able to corroborate the girl's time frame. Now, the girl she's talking about are Lori and Crystal. The ones who testified during the grand jury? That's one of the things I'd have to check on whether they were part of that or not. I believe they would have been. But I was talking about the third eyewitness. So you have Crystal and Lori on the upper deck from outside the lounge and see them go up a glass elevator. They say 5.30 to 6. They said that around 6 a.m. 530, between 530 and 6. And we had to find affidavit from Crystal's mother stating that she opened the door for the

girls after she had gotten up that morning to prepare for their excursion and let them into the room just after 6 a.m. The FBI didn't then and still hasn't to this day ever interviewed that woman who could have easily corroborated the girls' time frame. So they, dropped the ball on the most crucial eyewitnesses in the case in the most in the earliest hours that claim that they saw what they saw and people don't understand you know you can't equate those two girls with random eyewitnesses that weren't on the boat months or years later that never met amy never knew amy never spoke to amy these girls we knew we met we hung out with them we were hanging out with them that night they knew yellow yellow was flirting with them they knew me we were talking we

were hanging out. We knew each other. They knew what we were wearing. They knew what we looked like. And when I left the disco, which, by the way, was right at closing around 3 a.m. to go outside and talk to a couple girls and sit on the chairs for a half hour before I went to the room. They were out there. I can verify they were out there at that point. And they were out there when I left to go back to my room. I don't know what they did for the next two hours. But the mother has told us as recently as 10 days ago that, yeah, she let them in the room right after 6 o'clock. And that's why there's no keycard information. But yet the FBI failed to ever interview the woman still currently. So I feel like that's, I mean, that's a major error. And the girls have told me personally

through text exchanges and conversations we've had that they felt as if they were treated like a couple of little drunk teenagers who didn't know what they were talking about and they were dismissed. It's a frustrating thing. And then, you know, one of the, um, the other FBI agents, McCollum, Victor McCollum. Yeah. So apparently during his interview with Netflix, don't know whether this was captured on camera or not, but he made a statement to one of the producers that, you know, well, you got these rich white folks going down and blaming this poor black island kid. So my impression from that statement is that he came on to that boat out of the, uh, St. Thomas FBI field office with a particular bias.

And I don't know, maybe he didn't try so hard to go after the poor little island kid. I just want to set the table because we're getting in the weeds right now and we're going to get into it. I want to get into all of it. But I just want to get your overall 35,000 feet perspective on this so that it's very clear what Brad Bradley thinks. And you don't have to say, oh, 100% it's one. You can give us the three scenarios. Like, I don't think suicides on the table. We set it in our interview.

like there's nothing to indicate that whatsoever anyone who's like oh i don't know why we even had comments for it like why aren't you guys entertaining this we're not entertaining it because there's no evidence of it but what are your three things or four things what do you think happened she did not jump not not a chance zero she did not jump we off the table we we all agree on that he did not fall and and i'll explain all the details related to why i think that and why i know that. She did not go run away on purpose to start a new life. Didn't happen. And so what what I think happened is that for whatever reason, either she agreed to meet Yellow at a specific time. And we've had times from other girls that have contacted us from prior cruises and cruises

after ours that state that Yellow asked them to meet them, meet him up on the pool deck at 6 a.m. So for whatever reason, that's what he does. And I don't know. I, my, my theory about why she came back to the room and why they didn't just stay out. Obviously, Yellow states in his interview that he was aware that he was on camera dancing with her. If she never returns to the room and he's the last person that was frattingizing with her, that's a bad look. So letting her go back to the room allows him to disassociate himself from the incident. And if for whatever reason, whether she agreed to meet him or whether she ran out of cigarettes

and went up to try to find some or her lighter stop working. Who knows? Why ever she left the room, I believe she did. I believe Crystal and Lori, if you could have seen the look on their faces and the breathlessness and the panic in their eyes when they ran up to me and my mom a couple days later to tell us what they saw, they believe what they saw. They know what they saw. And I believe that the eyewitness that came to the grand jury testimony knows what she saw.

I think Amy ended up in that club with yellow right around 6 o'clock in the morning. I think he handed her off to an accomplice in the back of that bar where there's a crew service elevator that goes straight down to the bottom of the boat. Then that allows him to walk out of the club back by the girls by himself, again, disassociating himself with the scenario. Then what I believe, and people are going to accuse me of bringing up new stuff, but I'm going to talk about it today because, You know, my investigator has encouraged me to kind of keep that under wraps and keep the cards close. But that morning when I was out looking for Amy, and this would have been, you know, between 7, 7.30, whatever it was, I'm walking around the upper walking track. And I'm looking and I've been in the disco. By the way, the disco was closed, but the doors are never locked.

I went in there freely and walked around and looked everywhere. I walked in the public areas. I went in the bathroom. I went around the walking track. I went to the front of the ship, I went to the back of the ship. I went all the way around the damn thing. And on the water side, opposite the side the boat is docked to, I look over, there's two large doors open at water level with boats coming and going. And I sat there and watched them for a couple minutes, and I thought to myself, you know, I wonder what that is.

You know, if you think about the drugs that are, I think we all know, move through those boats from South America up through those islands, I believe that's how they get those things on there. I also believe that's how they get things off of there. So if they took Amy down that service elevator, held her until, what, for an hour, until those doors open and remove her via the back of the ship on the water side when everybody's looking this way towards the island, that's what I believe. Now, whether the taxi driver Deshi that saw her actually, saw her where he said he did or whether he was involved in transporting her to one of the three locations he suggested my dad and my uncle and her boyfriend at the time go and check later, I feel like he partially could have grown a conscience and was trying to help us without outing himself as being involved. So that's kind of in a nutshell what I believe. There's not a whole lot of other scenarios other than how many people were involved. Was there two or three? Was there seven or eight people that deal with, you know, moving drugs on those boats or getting the people, getting a person off of that boat. I don't know the answer to that, obviously. But that's the

scenario that I believe. And, you know, I guess that's where I'll stop that answer. So if you're cool with it, what I would like to do is just play devil's advocate. This is what I do. And it's not to debate you. It's not because we both want the same thing. Right? We both want. to find Amy or at least know what happened to her. So for for me, the last thing I want to do is hop into an echo chamber and just agree with everything you said because the only way we're going to figure it out is if we both ask questions and ultimately after vetting all of that come to a reasonable conclusion. So as a layman, not knowing as much as you do, just based on what you said, I have a couple questions and Stephanie. I'll only ask one or two and I'll let you

pepper in there because I'm sure your wheels are turning as well. But I wanted to know where you landed because now I want to dissect that and see if I can poke holes in it not to prove you wrong but to see because you said you said in our DMs you're like Derek I disagree with you and I think I can prove it yeah and let's do that because I will be glad to say yeah you know what my opinions changed yeah so breaking down what you said my first question that comes up to mind is I don't know Amy like you do so you're going to be able to speak to her character and what her behavior was like but she was with you down at the the disco hall you leave we know for certain that she got to her room around 345 the key card shows her coming to

the room you confirmed seeing her in the room absolutely yeah so we know she got back safely yeah i go in 335 she comes in 340 so we got her in the room that's a checkpoint we can verify boom done yeah she's in the room with you you guys are on the balcony the first question i have which is minimal but i do think it could be important i've seen some reports where she told you she wasn't feeling well. Do you have any more detail on what that was, like, what wasn't feeling about? Was it motion sickness? Was it maybe one or too many drinks? What was it? At the time, I thought it was motion sickness. Now, you guys touched on it in your last episode. Her bar tab shows she had six light beers. Now, that extends from 6 p.m. until we were on the balcony. I can drink that all day and I'm

sober as anybody. And obviously, we don't know what she was potentially given or how many drinks to her. Who knows? But yeah, so when we were, When we first left San Juan, this was the first time Amy was on a boat. Myself had been on, I had been on a boat about three years earlier, buddy of mine and I went on a volleyball cruise down in the Caribbean. My parents had been on a cruise years before with a couple of aunts and uncles. So we were familiar with when the boat first starts moving, you kind of get this kind of like, uh, and you don't have your sea legs yet. Amy got that feeling, so did I, the first day we took off again. And, you know, it takes a little while for you to kind of get used to that.

when the boat left Aruba on Tuesday morning at 1 a.m., we got that same kind of, you know, kind of feeling where you don't feel too good. When she told me that on the balcony, I didn't assume, now, neither one of us were stone cold sober. We were both drinking for hours, right? Nothing wrong with that. Right. Nothing wrong with it whatsoever. But she didn't seem super drunk falling down, etc. That would indicate. I've had conversations with our investigator and my family recently, I didn't have any indication or any suspicion that she had been drugged. There wasn't any odd behavior that I noticed. So when she told, when I said, look, you know, we talked about what we were going to do potentially the next day. I explained to her

that I'd never been to Curacao, so I don't know what's there. I don't, you know, maybe we'll go jet ski and maybe, who knows, I don't know what we're going to do. And then she mentioned to me, and again, this was just in past that, you know, and she kind of jokingly said, yeah, yellow, tried to touch my tit and I was like yeah I don't think so buddy and I kind of like you know laughed along with her and it wasn't no big deal was made of it I didn't think about it again you know people are online kicking my ass for why wasn't I upset about that because she wasn't upset about it so when I said look you know we got to be up in two or three hours I'm going to bed I love you she was like I don't you know I don't feel so great I don't want to go in the room

and you know being closed in this wind feels nice I'm just going to stay here. I said, okay. So I go inside and shut the door behind me and went to bed and that was it. And then, you know, I got woken up the next morning by both my parents standing at the foot of the pull-out couch I was sleeping on

with a look on their face I had never seen before. So she tells you, which is important, she tells you about him touching her boob, right? And you can see on the video of them dancing. He's behind her and he kind of comes up and she pushes his hand down.

So obviously she continued to dance with him after that. It wasn't like an assault. Yeah, he was trying to. But she let him know. She probably let him know. But the reason I'm honing in on this is because she's back at the room with you. You guys seem like you were super close. First and foremost, it doesn't sound like if Amy's reading the room, she can see what this guy's motive are.

I personally, without knowing her, don't think she's going to go meet back up with this guy, knowing she's smarter to know what his intentions are. Right. And if he had suggested to her, hey, I want you to meet back up with me at six once everybody's out of here. I feel like she wouldn't have hid that from you. I feel like she would have said, this asshole wanted me to meet up with him in a couple hours. He's out of his mind. I don't think she would have snuck out of the room without telling you. Yeah, that's something that I've never been able to figure out, obviously, why if she had plans to go meet him, why she wouldn't have told me about it.

I don't think she would have gone. Yeah, yeah, and I don't know. And that's why that's why your mind goes into different scenarios. Like maybe she went up because when you come into port, Curisal is really pretty and has a bunch of colorful buildings. Maybe she went out to get some fresh air and take a walk. Maybe she went out to find some more cigarettes. Maybe she went out to get coffee and then ran into him.

What are the chances, though? What are the chances that big boat yellows out there lurking around waiting? And what are the chances you go on a cruise with your family and one of you doesn't come home? They're not very, not very big. Fair, fair. She may have gone back out to meet Yellow if he said something like, you know, I know a spot. You know, okay, we get it.

You're not into me. Whatever. Let's just be friends. I know a spot where you can go that's only known to the staff, where you can see Curacao and you can see the sunrise and it's beautiful. In that case, though, I feel like she would have brought her camera. And Brad, you said her camera was found in the safe in the room. So she did not bring her camera, correct?

Correct. We have her camera and all the film that was with it. So let's go back to you guys being out on the balcony before you go inside. How long were you out on the balcony? You said you got in around 335. She got in at 340. You guys are out on the balcony, 3.45. I don't know. 15, 20 minutes probably. Okay. So at that time, before you go inside, how close are you to Curacao? Can you see land? Is it starting? Is the sun coming up at all? what's the outside look like? Is it pitch black still? Can you see any land approaching? Literally wasn't paying attention to it. But yeah, obviously at 4 o'clock in the morning, it's dark.

I mean, I guess the sunlight was out because it wasn't pitch black out there. And we could see each other. Could you see the lights of Curacao, like the shore? No, because the problem with at 4 o'clock in the morning was that our balcony was, I don't know how you'd call what side of the ship is what. we're on so if the ship's pointing forward we're on the right side the ship comes into curassau so even if the island's behind us we can't see it and so the time estimates you know ship leaves at one o'clock cruise ships travel on average somewhere between 18 and 22 knots i think it's 60 nautical miles or 70 actual miles from a ruby to curacao that ends up as about three and a half hours putting the boat right in front of the mouth of the canal about 430 440 something Yeah, because you left Aruba around 1 a.m.

Yeah, so we probably, when I went to bed, we probably weren't there yet. And I don't, no, I don't remember seeing the island when I went to bed. With the location where your cabin was, you couldn't see Carousel coming in. Is it possible? Amy was out there after you went to bed and she's like, I can't sleep. Let me go on the other side of the boat. Yeah, sure. And see if I can, you know, see the port, see land coming in.

Yeah, for sure. I mean, that's possible. Definitely possible, yeah. now what time because what day was this of the cruise this was left i think we left saturday we spent monday on arruva i think we woke up there um got off spent the whole day there got back on the boat i don't remember what time it was um late afternoon came in you know like you see me sleeping like a zombie after being roasted in the sun all day on arruva when we got lost got back on the boat leaves right towards the end of the pool party i think it left at 1 a.m so that was Tuesday

morning. We spent Monday on Aruba, Monday turned into Tuesday during the pool party, or right towards the end of it. And then Tuesday morning at 1 a.m., the boat leaves Aruba. Again, estimated travel time is about three and a half hours. So we're not at sea. My dad sees her, obviously people here, you know, they don't know the story. And certainly before the Netflix series came out, you know, vanished at sea. That's a popular headline. That always kills us. We weren't at sea when she vanished. It's estimated that ship was docked at 6 a.m. and the docking process takes at least an hour. The time frame that she, from when she was last seen from 5.30, when my dad woke up, looked at the clock, saw me on the thing, didn't see her, looked, you know, two feet further.

I'm literally like a foot from her on the other side of the glass. Cesar legs, thanks to himself. Yeah, these rooms aren't big. No, no, no, they're not big. I mean, literally, you have the clean bed my parents are in. a little tiny side table between the couch that I'm sleeping on, and then I'm right up against, I mean, I'm literally less than a foot from the window, and then she's right on the other side of the glass at Jay's lounge. So he sees her at 5.30. My dad has never changed his time.

I've heard of all this BS about some interview my aunt gave 25 years ago, where she was wrong and said 4.30. That's not the case. My dad's never changed his story. So he woke up at 530, Sar, went back to bed, said, You know, we're going to be up in, you know, 45 minutes anyway. I'll just get her up. She looks comfortable.

Woke up again at six. Doors open, whereas it had previously been closed by me. And her shirt that she absolutely, I can assure you, was wearing when I went to bed, was inside the room on the chair. So she 100% came back in. Another important point to make here, not only was the boat at the minimum in that little skinny canal in front of all those businesses, all those people, people up getting pretty, preparing for their excursions. We're not, we're not out. The sea's not rough. The ship's smooth as

silk. In fact, the canals are like glassy. I mean, it's the boat's not rocking. There's no motion to lilt, you know, someone toward the rail that they won't go near. And the only way that she ended up in that water if she did was if she was put there. The suggestion, and I know, Derek, and I, you know, I respect you, I've listened to everything you say in your Give it to me. That table bullshit about that thing being up against the railing. That morning, that table was against the sliding glass door between the chairs. When the FBI got on the boat and separated me from my parents, interviewed each of us individually, had us each individually sketch where the balcony furniture was, we all three drew the table where it was up against the sliding glass door between the chairs.

our pictures were identical. Now, as you know, and as attested to by the FBI agent, Mr. McCullum on the show, the room was clean prior to being able to be investigated by authorities. My opinion is that that table was put there to support a narrative that that company would love everybody to believe. So, no, and I heard you say the rail was five feet six. No, Amy was five feet six inches tall. The rail, I think, is estimated to be 42 to 45 inches tall, which is certainly... That's going to say, that seemed awful high, five foot, six inches tall rail.

I've been on a bunch of cruises with this company, and the rails aren't that tall. Yeah, so they're certainly too tall for her to fall over, especially since she would never even go close to the rail. If she's going to puke, the table climbing bullshit is dumb. The table wasn't there. So she's either going to come in the room, which we know she did, and go into bathroom and throw up. or she's going to be like, oh, shit, I'm going to throw up and then lean over the rail. She didn't have to climb on anything to throw up over the rail easily. When you guys docked in Aruba, because I've never, Derek and I talk about this, I've never

been on a cruise ship. They just, I don't want to do it. It unsettles me. I don't find anything fun about it. So I've never been on a cruise ship. When you dock at different ports, like when you went to Aruba, you said the ship at Curacao was docked by six and the whole docking process, not the onboarding process, but the docking process takes about. an hour, right? When was it typical for people to start getting off the ship at the port? And was

there a certain time where people would all sort of go? Or was it like you could choose, hey, I don't want to get off at Carousel? Or did they say, hey, we're all getting off at Carousel? Was it just open? So you could go out at eight or you could go out at nine? I think the gangplank was open. And if you look at the itinerary on that company's flyers for that particular cruise, disembarkation on Curisau was set for like 7 a.m. Okay. I don't know whether it was delayed momentarily when we started barking about pulling the ship away from the dock and closing everything up and not allowing anybody off.

Obviously, they didn't care to listen and do any of that. But I think it was roughly at 7 a.m. I actually don't remember much at all about Aruba or how the docking process works there. I don't remember that. and I have never really paid attention to that because nothing happened there. You know, in Curacao, it's different. I think Aruba, from what I saw recently on Marine Tracker, so you have the ship we were on, and I think it's right on the outside of the island.

And then on Curacao, you have to come, you have to stop, and you have to wait for the harbor pilot to come out and board the ship. On Curisow, it's mandatory for the harbor pilot to get on the boat. So they have to go through that process And then the guy has to get off the boat They have to hook up the boat to one or two tugs They have to start to pull the boat Through the mouth of this little skinny canal

There's a floating bridge that has to be slowly moved out of the way And it takes a little bit of time Then they pull all the way back through the island Go under that Queen Emma bridge or whatever it is They have to get to the end They have to turn right And then they have to back into the port where they dock that's that's curacao and i've studied that quite a lot we actually had um u.s attorney

gregg nibola did an independent investigation not only of the timing and sequencing of the docking process but the water search that was conducted and not only did the local authorities assure us that if she had been in the water something would have been found uh gregg nibbola's team did as well and and so again amy even if she went overboard it was in inside that island, we were not even 200 yards offshore. So the currents and all that stuff that people talk about, they're not in play. And, you know, they had radar, they had boats, they had helicopters. I don't quote me on this. I think there were divers involved too. There probably was. They should have been. And they searched that area in that canal and that area

for four days, either four or five days. And at the end of it, again, concluded she was not in the water. I want to talk about the water because I, because that's something in episode one or two and cases that I've worked, but I'm still, I'm still back on the boat because I think the boat, I don't want to skip over the boat because being in that room is critical and, and developing a baseline for what was normal behavior for you, your sister, and your parents is extremely important. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out, which is what I want to go back to the balcony door because you had said when you came in the room, you were on the balcony with her. I'm assuming the balcony door was shut behind you or was it open while you guys were on the balcony?

I think it was shut because, so when I came into the room, I didn't wake my parents. When Amy came into the room and a lot of people don't know this because a lot of people don't know a lot of stuff, my dad woke up and said, hey, Amy, can you turn off that bathroom light? So she turned around, turned the bathroom light, came out on the balcony. And obviously, we're out there talking. We don't want to talk with my parents eight feet from us. so yeah we had the door was closed we were sitting out there when i came in i opened it i quietly closed it behind me um and then went to bed and then when my dad woke up he said the

door is open and i don't know you know 12 14 whatever it was the door was open and she's gone and then you know i have to say this the whole shoe dobuckle uh drives me nuts you know i've answered it a zillion times and i'm happy to uh you know quell everybody's questions and anxieties about her shoes. But, you know, we don't know. Amy had tons of shoes. She brought a bunch of pairs of shoes. We still have a bunch of pairs of shoes in her bag.

We didn't catalog how many she brought or which ones she brought. We don't know if any are missing because we don't know which ones she brought. I don't think she would have left the room without shoes. But to your point, I don't know what other shoes she had, so I haven't focused on that. Who would? But the balcony door, you come in. You shut it. Before that night, just Amy's behavior, your behavior, whatever,

was it normal for you guys to leave that room for the day or whatever to go downstairs and leave the balcony door open after exiting the room? Or what was the normal occurrence for you guys in that room? For me personally, and I said this to Stephanie in a few episodes, I didn't usually leave the balcony door open because it would create like this wind tunnel effect and it can get pretty loud. So that's why I wouldn't. But what was the normal baseline for you guys?

the first two days we're on the water, we're out on the boat. I don't think, you know, I don't remember honestly, but I don't think we would have left the balcony door open because we don't want the room to be hot. You know, you want the AC to cool the room down. So, you know, when we all leave, I would imagine we'd shut it. If anybody was in the room, I think we'd have it open, sort of like you do at the beach, because you want to have the atmosphere of the wind and the water and all that. I remember nothing about that door having some crazy vortex if you have the balcony door open. There was never any moment where the door slammed and everybody's like, oh my God, watch out for that door. There was none of that. When I came in that night, the door opens and closes quietly.

When Amy, you know, I don't think, I never noticed there was any problem with the door opening or closing when the balcony door was open. I don't recall any of that. My bed on sports, played on a field or ice or courts. Begg Rivers is the place. Over under money lines, same game, Paul AIDS, it's all fine. You'll put a smile on your face. Bet on the sports you love with that river sports book. Take a chance.

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I never like that because people can come from other balconies if they wanted to and hop over to your balcony. As someone who's paranoid, I hate that. I also, it would make the room a lot warmer. and it also creates some noise. Do you think Amy, if she was going out to the top deck or whatever to meet someone, she would leave the balcony door open with all you guys still in the room when the AC's on? Yeah, I don't know. That's good question.

You know what I'm saying? It's just, I struggle with it. Yeah, I hear you. And I don't have an answer for it, honestly. So, you know, I think maybe she came in and was, if she was trying to sneak out to do something, maybe she didn't want to shut the door and make any more noise. maybe i don't know i can't can't answer that but do you think she would do that though you're the best person to ask because that's not the vibe i get of her did you would sneak out to go meet a dude

without telling someone well i think she's a hell of a lot more likely to sneak out and meet a dude than jump off the balcony or do some other dumb shit i agree with that i i agree with jump i think that's off the table as far as i'm concerned this is a good point to bring up so you know i've been accused of like accusing all these different people anytime I mention a name of another character on the boat, it is not in an attempt to accuse them of any wrongdoing. Like you say again, you want to give everybody all the information. So there's a bartender named Caitlin Fedgis who works in the casino. Amy and I spent several hours in the casino in the days during the early, you know, days of the cruise. We met and spoke with Caitlin. Amy and

Caitlin were very chatty and I'm standing there and Caitlin's talking to Amy about getting together after she got off work. So if Amy is going to go meet anybody potentially, it would make much more sense that she's going to go meet her or a girl rather than, you know, yellow who's, you know, kind of a slimy guy making a move on her. I don't know. Agreed. So there's other people involved. There's other people she had met. There's other females. that she had met. So, you know, obviously we, nobody knows the answer to that question. It's a, it's a reasonable question and it's fair. But I, you know, I don't know. I don't think that should be the biggest sticking point because to believe she didn't leave the room means that you have to

discount about 10,000 other very interesting and curious facts, which I'd like to get into, and you can point me to the right time to talk about this particular thing as to why both Yellow and Oscar Alexander need to lie through each of their interviews. If Amy never left the room, what reason does anyone have to lie about anything? And I can explain to you. Oscar Alexander, because we didn't talk about him, he's, I believe you're talking about Yellow's roommate, correct? Okay, he had a cab in me. I was going to ask you about that.

I guess my final question, Brad, for the room would be that they, just from Detective questions quick, and you can answer them spitfiring. Did they ever dust the room? Did they ever dust that balcony? Yeah. Anything found from that? Oh, we actually sent Amy's prints. There's some crap that was first brought up by the company's attorney. There was some heel print on the outside of the glass like Amy's sitting on the balcony on the railing. B.S, the FBI confirmed that was not accurate. There's no handprints on the rail. Victor McCollum and the FBI in the Netflix documentary confirmed there were no prints. We supplied Amy's prints to them and they compared to anything and everything they found on that balcony. And apparently that room was cleaned pretty damn good because they

don't have any. Okay. That was what I have with the room. It doesn't mean that there were no handprints. It just means that before the FBI was able to go in there, the room was cleaned. Correct. But they, but they did such a very thorough job of cleaning the balcony railing. They really did a number on it. And, you know, one thing that people don't also know that I think is interesting is that during the first couple days of that cruise, you know, we're on two levels that have glass railings on the balcony. We were the top one and there was one below us that also had a glass railing.

There were several occasions during that cruise where right at those two levels, because again, those are the only two levels that the window washers had to clean. There were rolling scaffoldings that would come by the room right, right at our level, and the guys would come by and wash the balconies and roll on and watch the balconies and roll on. So, you know, it's also kind of, hmm, I wonder someone rolled up on one of those things and got her off the balcony that way. It was definitely kind of an unsettling thing, and I think we even talked about it. Like, we don't like these guys. They could just jump right on our balcony because they're right there.

I mean, they're rolling by on these rolling scaffoldings, and, you know, people aren't aware of one of that fact that that happens and they have those things. But just another interesting tidbit to throw in there. Okay, so when based on just you knowing you're going to be going into port, you're pulling up to Carousout, was there any conversation with you, Amy, and your parents the night before at any point where it was like, okay, this is what time we're going to get up, this is what we're going to do, we're going to go into Carousout together. was just kind of like, when we get up, we'll get up and go in. On the fly, you know, we didn't, you know, even when we got off on a Ruba that day, we didn't have plans. We got off and, you're like, yeah, that's we rent a vehicle. And we got in this little topless thing, and we took off and got lost for several

hours, didn't even, we were, we kind of were nervously joking and laughing to ourselves out in the middle of the desert with, you know, tumbleweeds and wild goats and dogs, like, we're dead. Like, we're not, we don't know how to get. back in like we're going to miss the boat yeah same thing we got back we took naps took showers got up went to the casino went to the formal dinner came back change went up to the pool party they went to bed we went to the dance club came back it was it we we didn't have no to answer your question simply no we didn't have an itinerary or or discuss plans for the next day so considering

that you and amy were kind of getting into bed late and you they were docking the boat was docking at around 7 a.m. and you knew people would be probably getting off at that point. Was there some sort of understanding of like, hey, the parents will get up and then we're going to get you guys up? Or was it kind of like maybe your parents would go into Curacao and then you and Amy could get off when you got up? What time would you have to be back to the boat? If it docks at six and starts letting passengers off between seven and eight, what time would you be expected to be back to the cruise ship in order to make sure that you don't get left behind? Back to the cruise ship after, like, I've lost you there for.

for a second. So you're, yeah, like when you go to port, if you go to port, it's usually four or five, Stephanie. You usually have to be back on the boat. Like, if you get off to go do excursions with Royal Caribbean, it's usually four or five, maybe six p.m. You have to be back in line, giving your ID to get back on that boat, or they will leave you behind. Okay. I mean, just wondering because you'd think you'd want to get off pretty early because that way you have actual time and you don't have to worry about rushing back to the boat. I remember when we got off the boat, the evening of the morning she disappeared. I think it was roughly 5 p.m.

We checked into the hotel and then after, you know, it was a terrible, terrible scene in that room, watching what my parents were going through and dealing with what I was going through. I decided I had to get out of there and take a walk. So I walk out onto the canal. I go sit on some rocks at the point and I'm just out there talking to God and pondering life.

Then we watched as our boat left on schedule with no interest in hanging around for... Horrible. We talked about that horrible. Absolutely horrible visual. Like I said, the fact that you're still out here talking about it, I mean, I think people who are watching this as for quote unquote entertainment, you know it and I know it, right? They don't see that these aren't fictional characters. Right.

this is a real story a lot of people do but some people look at it more for the entertainment value which it's important to see your face which by the way i don't know i'm sure i'm not the first person to tell you this you look just like amy which is kind of weird because i've been studying her face with that friggin photo which we're going to talk about but you look so much like her i want to give you the floor before we we visually get off the boat to talk about yellow because you know how i feel about the accident scenario but i'm open to everything and i want to hear more about yellow because to what you were going to say a little while ago, if yellow is somehow involved, it's not just yellow.

There's got to be more people, including people that he was living with in his cabin, because there's no way he could pull this off without multiple people giving him an alibi, right? Right. So the floor is yours, talk about it. I've seen some things online, but maybe you can just clear it up

because I did see that he had a roommate and that he was interviewed, and I think he's defending him, but I'll let you kind of clarify everything. So first of all, you have to understand when my dad woke up at six, he left the room, didn't wake mom or I. So obviously, you can leave the room without waking people up. Fair. It's about 6 o'clock after he gets up.

He admits he didn't panic immediately. I know a lot of people run their mouths and say, whoa, you're panicking immediately, you know, whatever. So he didn't panic. He got up and he said, you know, they're going to be out at 4 o'clock in the morning and she's gone. this is, she was just there 30 minutes ago. So he gets up, he decides to go out and walk around and take a look for her. I think fully expecting to just find her up on the deck. And he looked and he looked and he looked and he looked and he looked for close to an hour.

Looked everywhere he knew to look. Anywhere we had been, anywhere that he knew of, he was looking. Obviously he didn't find. So he comes back to the room at that point to wake us up. before he hits our cabin door, Lou Costello, the chief security officer for the boat, happens to be standing about 30 feet from our cabin door. On that entire ship, size of a city,

hundreds of rooms, you know, 1,000 feet long. He just so happens to be right near our door in our hallway right then. My dad hadn't reported it. He never went to the purser's desk. He was walking around. He ran into a colleague of his, you know, shortly, I think, I don't know, 62630. he recalls the boat sitting still, no scenery moving. We're at the dock. He comes back,

walks over to, you know, the security officer holding Milwaukee Talkie, and he's like, excuse me, I just wanted to let you know. I've been, I woke up this morning. My daughter wasn't in the room. I've been looking for her for an hour, and I can't find her. So he goes back into the room and gets mom up. Mom talks about this. when he touched her leg or her foot, and she turned around and saw the look on his face, also a look she had never seen. And I think that immediately panicked her because he says, I can't find Amy. So they get up, I'm woken up with both of them standing at the foot of the pullout I was sleeping on.

And their mom nervously is telling me, and obviously kind of startles me, you know, your dad's been looking for Amy for an hour. We don't know where she is. We're going to go out and look for her. You stay here in case she comes back while we're out so we don't miss each other. So they go out and leave. They go out and I think they pretty immediately go to the purser's desk to report it. Now, Yellow claims in his interview with, I won't even say the asshole's name,

But he has a recent interview with a guy writing a fictional story, apparently, where he says that security called his room, didn't knock on his door, didn't go to his room, security, or the hotel manager, I think he calls it during the interview, called his room at 7 a.m. To ask him if he had the girl in his room that he was dancing with in the club the night before. Okay, so how did they know who he was dancing with the night before? Why did they call him at 7 when my parents didn't report it, apparently per the chief security officer's official report, until 7.33 a.m. Chief security officer states in his report, and I can provide it to you, that he was first made aware, quote-unquote, of a missing passenger at 733 a.m. after he was contacted by the purser's desk. He excludes completely the interaction that he had with my dad, when my dad told him he couldn't find his daughter at 7.3. 7 a.m. It's a little bit curious as to why, you know, on the official report, that wouldn't even be mentioned. So if the security officer and the purser's desk are only made aware of him his

disappearance at 733, how the hell is somebody going to call him at 7.7 to let him know my sister's missing and apparently know that he was dancing with her in the club the night before. He claims that he was in his room at 1 a.m. He told me straight to my face that that morning, I left her at 3.30. When's the last time you saw her what happened? Well, yeah, his card doesn't access his room. Yeah, until 335. And there's no entry or anything prior to it. Yeah. And we talked about that in the last episode where I said, well, what was he doing if he, because he said he had to be out, crew and employees had to be out of that area by a certain time. So he left that area and went back to his room. But we know he didn't enter his room until 335. And if you left

to that area, then what were you doing for two and a half hours? Derek and I did ask that question. We have no idea. He didn't leave that area because when I left the club at 3 a.m., he's sitting his ass up at the table with my sister. He was actually there until 3 a.m. He was with her right up until she came back to the room. Well, that clears it up. Yeah, he came back to the room. Apparently, the same exact time I did, weirdly enough. Amy came back five minutes later. I think he had quicker access via the crew elevator. Downstairs, yeah. Yeah. To his room, which is why it took or five minutes longer to get back. So he's lying, obviously, provably so. Why would you lie if you're telling the truth and you have nothing to hide? Why? You're 27 years later. You're not trying to

protect your job anymore. To play devil's advocate because even 27 years later, there's so much online even before this Netflix documentary because I was looking into Amy's case years ago And I saw all the reddits and the internet forums saying yellow's guilty, yellow's guilty. You know, he's claiming he's getting comments, this, isn't that. So maybe at the time he lied because he was like, I don't want to get in trouble for this. I don't want to get this pinned on me. And now he's still lying about that gap because he's like, well, now if I say I'm lying, I'm going to look suspicious.

So it's kind of I'm going to die on this hill thing, deny, deny. Another interesting thing, and please kind of bring me back if I don't address the point you just made. But the chief security officer's report also states that Yellow made many false statements during initial questioning until I explained to him the lock link key card and then his answers fell more in line with the facts. So not only do you have a security officer excluding pertinent information about my dad's first indication to him that Amy was missing, didn't mention it at all. Then you have a security officer who, I don't know, and this is just a question, does it seem like to anyone that maybe he was coaching Yellow through his answers by saying, you know, he's given these kind of false statements? And then I say, well, hold on the second, Yellow. We have your key card data that says you go in here. And then Yellow says, oh, yeah, okay, I go in there. So that's interesting

to me, that little fact. Are you talking about Lou Costello? Yeah. The chief security officer. Okay, so you did have access to the chief security officer's report? You've seen that? A portion of it. Yeah, we were provided that. And I can't tell you exactly who gave it to us. There's an FBI that I'm a Bryant that we worked with for years. There's several names that, you know, sometimes I get mixed up when you're talking about all the different people, a lot of them. But yeah, we have certain portions and pages that are pertinent to Yellow's movements, which show her based, and based on his report, this is based on. on their bar tab and there, he was able to track Yellow and Amy, and they're on the Stargazer decks sometime between 2.30 and 3.30 a.m. So it proved, I mean, it easily proves Yellow's lying about the 1 o'clock in the morning thing. And I think during his questioning with the FBI,

since they had the locklink data, say, in 335, that was his story then. And that's a problem with a liar. A liar has to remember all the lies he's told. And I think Yellow, unfortunately, after having 27 years of rehearsal time didn't quite study enough for the interview that he gave. So he's saying one o'clock. He says that he's got a gay uncle. His daughter says no such thing. He says his daughter says he lies. She breaks down on TikTok. He lies about this. He was well aware of people smoking. They were around him all the time. He never had a gay uncle. I didn't go get a job in Georgia, blah, blah, blah. So, all right, so we got that yellow side of the story. And whether you guys have spoken about this on your prior podcasts or not about him coming up to me that morning as I'm exhausting my initial search effort and sat at that table by the pool, he walks up to me.

And again, I think I was incorrect at first and said about 7 a.m. And then I think more accurately, it's sometime between 7.30 and 8. Your dad talked to yellow at 7 a.m. No, no, no. No, my dad talked to Luke Costello. At 7 a.m. Yes. And at that point, Luke Costello told your dad that he had already talked to Yellow.

No. No, he talked to Yellow apparently after that. Was never mentioned by my dad. We didn't ever associate Yellow with our suspicion until Lori and Crystal came up and told us two days later they saw him go up the elevator with her. So my dad never said Yellow's name during his interaction with Luke Costello. So why did they call him directly if, in fact, they called him at all? So here's what we have. This is what Phil reached out to me about.

We had said in an episode that Yellow's original statement, this was to CNN, he had said that he was contacted at six. Clearly, that's what he said in the interview. They could have gotten it wrong. He could have gotten it wrong. We know that's not accurate, right? My interpretation of it, just try, again, to try to look at yellow side of it was if your dad went down and spoke to them around seven, okay?

and they say at that point he was last seen down at the bar maybe your dad talked to you and again you could correct me on this but at that point the someone reached out to yellow according to yellow and said hey is she in the room with you and from what I read in the statement came to the they came to his actual cabin yeah and he was he was asleep and he got he was awoken by someone knocking and being like hey is this is there a girl in here he says this uh yellow said this in a CNN interview so here's what I said to Phil because Phil said to me Listen, this is compelling information, if true, because we thought the first time Yellow had any interaction with this was during the Charlie drill. So him talking to Brad beforehand would make no sense.

So I provided the source. And what I said to Phil was, Phil, this doesn't take a detective. This is easy. You have to go speak to the yellow and ask him, who came to your room? Who came to your room at 7 a.m. and asked you if Amy was in there. Because if he's lying. Well, he said 6 a.m. Well, he said 6 a.m.

But I think he got that time wrong. There's no way 6 a.m.'s right. So you think Mr. Bradley goes to Luke Costello around 7. My daughter's missing. He says nothing about yellow. Then the- That's what Brad's saying. He says nothing about yellow.

He says nothing about yellow. And then the chief security officer, Luke Castello, or somebody under him. Under him goes to yellow because how would they know. That's the question. Yeah. How are they- But this is something that can be confirmed. This can something be corroborated or discredited.

So my point for you, Brad, is if Yellow's lying and nobody went to his room, he just did the worst thing that a criminal could do, which is involved someone else in your web of lies. And it's guilt knowledge. If you know she's missing before your room she's missing, then, yeah. My question would be, has anybody effing done that? Has anybody said, yellow, who came to your room? Because then you go to that person, let's say it's Joe Smith.

Oh, it was Joe Smith who came to my room. He woke me up, even if the time's wrong. Oh, Joe Smith came to your room? Hey, Joe Smith, did you go to Yellow's room in the morning? And if so, who directed you to go there? Yeah. Very simple. This is like Detective 101.

It's not complicated. So my suspicion of a potential explanation of why Yellow seems to claim that he was contacted or someone went to his room. And I find it interesting that such a significant event of someone, knocking on your door to search for a missing passenger to search your room, you forget totally about it in your only interview you've ever given and say someone called your room. And then they tell you to stay in your room. Meanwhile, you're up on the deck talking to me telling me you're sorry to hear about my sister. He knows that he shouldn't have known about it at that point when he

said that to me. So he's trying to find some way to tell everybody, that's how I knew about it before I talk to Brad. I don't believe that he, I don't think he should have that point. I agree with you. And I think we could easily prove that. Summer is great for beach days and barbecues, but let's be honest,

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Yeah, so there's a little bit more to that story. So when Yellow said, I left her at 3.30, what time did you last see or what happened? And I said, well, I start to say, well, when I left it, he said, hold on a second, I want my brother to hear this. So he stops me, interrupts me, walks over about 50 feet to a table with three or four guys at it. I assumed who were his bandmates. brings just one of them back over. Don't know why it would be just one and not the whole crew.

Why is that one specific guy need to hear what I'm about to say? And he comes back over and he's like, okay, go ahead. Now, I don't know if this guy was Reggie, and I'll talk to you about Reggie later or whether this was Oscar. I honestly don't know who the guy was he brought over. I don't remember what he looked like. It was just another guy that was at that table over there. So he says, okay, go ahead.

So I proceed to lay out my timeline of exactly. exactly when I left the club, exactly when I got back to the room. And by then, I didn't have the key card data, so I didn't know exactly when. But I got back to the room, I don't know, 3.30 or whatever it was. Amy came in. I think I probably said 10, 15 minutes later, it turns out it was five. And then, so in retrospect, look, and at the time, it didn't register to me. I'm in my head. I'm in my feelings. I'm freaking out. I don't know what the hell's going on. I'm realizing this isn't good. And so I wasn't up the right mindset to pay attention to what was happening.

And looking back on it, it seems clear to me that he stopped me to go get that guy so he could hear my account of my timeline directly and they could have their story straight based on my story. That's what I believe. Now, whether that was Reggie or whether that was Oscar, I do not know. Now, Oscar, never heard the guy speak. and the only good thing that this author has done as a useful idiot is get these people to talk when they should have kept their mouth shut the whole time.

So this roommate who was staying with Yellow did an interview. Yeah. Okay. Now, it's not a full interview. There's only a three minute and 14 second clip of a statement with a still picture of Oscar Alexander's Facebook profile picture, not a video of a guy talking. For the audience, we're not, we won't say his name, but. I've seen your Twitter post and stuff.

This is someone who's in the true crime community who's been conducting their own independent investigation. So if they go look at your Twitter, they can go see what you're talking about. But this person is not a- Why are we not saying their name? If you don't mind me saying it, I'll say it.

So it's James Renner. And basically he's, I just wanted to make that clear because he's not someone who's with the FBI or with law enforcement. This is someone else who's doing it for their channel. So he did the interview with this roommate Oscar. And he's the one that did, Hello's interview.

Okay, cool. So he releases this new clip, audio clip of Oscar's statement. And I wish I had to listen to it just before this interview, so I'd memorize exactly what he said. But the most important points are he said that Yellow met Amy that night at the pool party because she was coming up and requesting music. True, we both were. He said that they had, you know, a short conversation after their set was over.

true. He says that after we finished playing, we packed our stuff up and went back to our rooms. Now, Yellow in his interview says he went back to his room, took a shower, and came up to the club for one or two songs so he could explain away why there's a video of him dancing. Oscar claims they both went back to their room after they finished playing, and that was it. Oscar claims that somewhere between three and four o'clock in the morning, security knocked on their door and search their room for Amy Bradley. Okay. And we know that's wrong.

Obviously. Amy wasn't missing until after 7 a.m. Right, right. That's definitely wrong. If he's going to say 645 or 6.30 maybe, 3 or 4 o'clock in the morning is a pretty, especially if you're in your room at 1 o'clock sleeping, that's a pretty significant event that would be burned in your brain forever. And again, yellow makes no mention of anyone searching their room at all.

And he got a phone call. Well, he might have said in that, just to be fair to him, he might have said in that CNN interview. I'll send you the source after this because I sent it to Phil. Yeah. He said that someone came to his room. Yeah, but it wasn't. He did, but he changed his story after because in his interview with James Renner, he said he got a call. Yep.

Okay. And so that's a discrepancy. Okay, cool. I'm with you. I've spoken to Amika recently simply about the story that her dad has told her over the years and how many times it's changed and how. I can get you all those details if you want. Amika tells me that after now she was in her mom's belly when he came home from that cruise her mom was pregnant with her at the time so she gets all of this information secondhand from her mom she wasn't present but the mom has told her throughout her young life and growing up when she got old enough to I guess the mother was concerned about you know amica finding out online about her dad instead of hearing it from her mom so her mom tells her all these things you hear about the pictures of Amy and Not, well, I don't know that the pictures in his suitcase included, Amy, but you hear about all the pictures of women in his suitcase.

Amika tells the story that her mom told about Yellow Braggin about having $60,000 for whatever reason when he came back from the cruise. Lowe's mother told her that Reggie came to her after the cruise and said that something happened on the boat and yellow was involved. And, you know, I need to talk to you about it. And then she, I don't know whether she heard from Reggie again. Amika's mother says that Yellow called her from that cruise, either before the boat got to Aruba or before the boat got to Curacao. She's not exactly sure. And she says that Yellow called her and told her, and she found it odd, like, why are you telling me this, that he had to get off the boat to deliver a package or bag to a guy? And she mentioned the guy's name, and I can give it to you, but I'm going to hold that to the chest right now.

No, you keep it in the house, and that way there's no way they could say it came from an outside source. Keep it in house. Amika believes her dad is guilty. I asked her on a recent live I did with her, whether her mom feels similarly, and apparently she does. The pictures in a suitcase, you know, yellow claims, you know, people took pictures with him all the time. They're fans and blah, blah, blah. So how are you going to get everybody's pictures that they take with their camera of you that they want? No, that doesn't work with that.

My mom has the receipt from the reprint order that the night Amy and her went to the photographer booth Yeah, I was going to ask you about that. So she walks up, they walk up together. Mom says, hey, let's go get y'all's pictures. We didn't take family pictures. It was just Amy and I. Mom and dad were talking to their business associates

and weren't in the pictures. So they walk up to get the pictures and they say, hey, you know, I would like to pick her pictures up. And she said the guy was like, oh, yeah, they're right over here. I remember putting it. And he walks over and there's a blank spot. And he's like, well, that's weird. I just put those there a few minutes ago.

So there's no pictures. And the guy's like, well, you know, that's funny. Would anybody from your group have purchased the pictures or got them for you? And my mom's like, no, like, don't think so. And so she had to submit an order or ticket for those pictures to be reprinted because they were gone and they were never found again. So why were her pictures missing? Why is yellow lying? Why is Oscar lying?

It's not because she fell off the boat. Were there any, to your knowledge, any pictures in Yellow's suitcase that were those types of pictures taken by the cruise line? We don't know because that story came from 1998. Amika only first contacted us in 2016 or 17. I don't remember which one. So you're talking about 17, 18 years later, that suitcase is long gone. No one can even investigate what pictures are in it. Yellow's wife saw them, though, right?

Yeah. If her mom would be willing to speak with me, I know my mom's spoken to her. I know that the FBI has interviewed her and candidly told my mother, they believe she knows more than she's telling. But we don't know, you know, no one was ever able to investigate the suitcase because it was 18 years old at that point. I'd be interested to know if Yellow's wife remembered whether some of those pictures were like Polaroids, Candids, or like posed pictures that the cruise line would take because they would obviously have an insignia on them from the cruise line. Yeah. All right. So what he told James Runner, what Yellow told James Renner, he said he had to be out of guest areas by 1 a.m. So he had to be out of the Viking Crown Lounge. But he was seen by staff with Amy on the Stargazer deck from 230 to 330 a.m.

And you Brad also saw them during that time frame. The security officer, Lou Costello, consulted the lock link system, which logged when the passengers a crew entered their cabins. Yellow's key card showed he entered his cabin at 335 a.m. However, we are aware, just like the. those two girls who claimed they saw Amy and Yellow and their mother let them in. His roommate could have let him in at any time before or after that 3.35 a.m. period. Now, the Viking Crown Lounge that he claims, I guess he never said it closed at midnight,

but he said that the band had to be out of there by midnight. But according to this information, that Viking Crown Lounge did not close at midnight. it was open until 2.33 a.m. So if you ever verified with the cruise line that what Yellow is saying is true, that the band had to be out of that area by midnight, or is this just something he's kind of like making up to show that he wasn't around or with Amy after that midnight hour? That company has never communicated with us.

So no, we have never verified through them. that band was not playing in the lounge. They were playing on the pool deck. And so when that pool party ended is when they packed up, you know, apparently went back to change and take showers and come back up to the club for a couple more hours. Because again, I can guarantee you, I assure you he was in that club sitting at a table with Amy at 3 a.m. when I left it.

Well, there is surveillance footage showing them dancing together after that midnight hour. And that's not surveillance footage. That is a privately hired videographer that worked Chris Fenwick. who was a video editor that was hired for a company called Van Star, who's no longer in business, but they also had a work trip company that he was hired for separately. And so his guy, Bob, was filming for their company in the lounge that night.

So that's not security footage. That's a private videography. Which is very important because that means yellow, if whatever his past practices were, he knows there's no security camera in there. So he can leave, come back. He's not going to be on footage. not expecting a private company to be recording at those moments.

Why would there be no surveillance cameras? It's ridiculous. In that area, though. Because they said they had them in some areas. Why not in that area? The some areas are in the casino. You got to protect your money. That's all they care about.

Nowadays, I think it's different. I think there's lots of other places. But back then, we even asked them, or the ship's captain, we say, you know, pull up the footage that shows down the sides of both, you know, down the sides of the ship to see if she went overboard. And sorry, none of those cameras, they weren't recording. They're monitoring. Okay. Yeah, we talked about that too in an episode. We were like, what's the point? You got people staring at these things 24 hours a day. What's the point to even have them monitoring if you're not filming? Whether that's BS or not, and they actually had recordings

that they didn't want to share with us. That's potentially the case. We know that via Chris Fenwick that not only did Luke Costello asked for his master tapes, claim he was working with the FBI when Chris refused. And Chris said, that's great, tell the FBI to come get him and never heard from the FBI. So you're suggesting that, just suggesting or implying that Luke Costello and maybe the cruise line in general had an interest in not having their fingerprints on any of this not necessarily protecting yellow as a person, but protecting the reputation of the cruise line? It's protecting liability is what I think. And so not only did they want the footage of Amy dancing with yellow to, in my opinion, destroy it so no one ever sees it, they also asked their own video

editor, Steve Smith, to delete or scrub. I forget what the actual term was that Chris used. Chris is in Steve Smith's editing suite because they had become friends and they were working on. Actually, Chris was paying Steve to use some of his equipment for his projects and things. So he goes over to Steve's room one day and he's like, you know, what are you working on? And Steve's sitting there at his computer and he said, you know, they asked me to remove any footage of Amy from my tapes. So meanwhile, you have Chris Fenwick preserving evidence in a potential criminal investigation. investigation while the company's apparently deleting it. So wait, Steve Smith worked for the cruise line?

Yeah. And you've heard this from him that they asked him to remove any footage of Amy that they had? I've never spoken with Chris, I mean, with Steve Smith personally. I have spoken at length with Chris Fenwick. He documented this all from day one. This is this. He's got a whole story. He's a podcast with a gal named.

Katie Beck. Steve told Chris that he was advised to delete any footage of Amy from his tapes, so as not to show her potentially with any crew the night she was, that she disappeared. Now, again, that's speculation on my part. I have no proof of their motives. Chris Fenwick is an extremely credible individual, and he's documented every single detail of this at length, And he's actually contacted Steve Smith recently, and I don't know what, we're not at the end of what they are discussing at this point. So I don't have any resolution on that story as far as what Steve remembers or doesn't remember. That cruise director, Detweiler, you know, he's not so popular. No, I wasn't a fan of him.

We hate him. Yeah, I wasn't a fan of him. We had a lot to say about him in our episode. Yeah, I can tell you that, you know, although he's stuck to the talking points, of she either jumped or fell. Yellow and Oscar, I think, forgot the company line. You know, both of them allude to a crime, by the way. Neither one of them, as easily as they could have said, you know, she jumped or if she fell, they allude to, they hope that the family finds the person or the people responsible for this crime. And I find that a little bit interesting. I don't know

what I don't know, but I do know what I suspect, and I do know when I hear a provably false claim over and over again in multiple different ways. And, you know, all of these things combined. And again, I'll go back to the morning. I think it was like 3.45 in the morning. We had reboarded the ship after we were told by the authorities in that harbor that she was not in the water. We said, okay, well, we're not done with that boat then. So we get back on, their attorneys are standing front and center at the time. And we had not yet gotten the FBI through the efforts of my family at home to get on the boat yet, which they subsequently did. So that timeframe, we've all talked about it. And from the time we got back on the boat, so she goes missing

Tuesday morning, 6 a.m.ish. We get off the boat, 5 p.m. The next day we get up, we're told she's not in the water. We get on a commercial flight from Curacao to St. Martin. We beat the boat there, so we have to stay, we have to, you know, spend a night in the hotel, get up the next morning, take a tender or ferry out to the boat to reboard. So then that's going to be Thursday morning. And so shortly thereafter the FBI arrived from the field office in St. Thomas, two guys, no dogs, no team. And again, we talked about the bias that I'll call at least one of the agents got onto that ship with.

It's a blur. We don't know really kind of, we can't remember what really happened that day or when the interviews took place. I know the Norwegian consulate got on the boat because that's a Norwegian, you know, they're flying a Norwegian flag. I think, you know, out of Norway, whatever. And so during those interviews, the ship's attorney sat in on all of the interviews with the Norwegian consulate and the FBI, for that matter, once they got on the boat, which I'm pretty sure isn't proper protocol. One of those mornings, you know, we can't sleep. We can't eat. We can't stop crying.

we're a mess. My mom and I, you know, in the middle of the night, we decide to get up and we say, okay, let's go retrace potentially where Amy might have gone. We're just kind of like, we don't know what the hell we're doing. So we go out of the room, we take a right, we go towards where the elevators are, which weren't very far, by the way. And as soon as we get into this little open area where the elevators were, Crystal and Lori, running up to us. I call them my God, oh my God. And they're breathing heavy and their eyes are, you know, it's like they, they're white as a ghost.

They're pale and they're like, we saw Amy go up the elevator and they're freaking out with yellow and then he came back down by himself. And so we're like, oh, my God, oh, my God. So we go get security. That was the first time that we ever accused yellow or, you know, had any suspicion of yellow really. Connected him to her disappearance. Yeah.

didn't have any freaking clue. The intensity of that moment. It wasn't like these girls kind of walked up to us and they're like, yeah, I think we, I think we, you know, we could have seen them going. I mean, they were freaking out. Again, they met Amy. They knew Amy. They met yellow. They knew yellow. They met me. They knew me. We were together that night. We were together in the disco. They saw me out on the pool bed. They knew what, I mean, they, they knew who the players were, and they were, and still are certain. So not only do you have a, those two that see him go up with her the elevator. They describe what she's wearing, which is the white bodysuit t-shirt that was underneath the yellow shirt and the shorts. They couldn't see her

feet because the way their vantage point, you know, the way the elevator works, they didn't, they couldn't confirm whether she had shoes on or not or what shoes. And then you have Elizabeth Lewis from inside the club saying that they got off the elevator from inside, went up, yellow-handed her drink, they go in the back, and that's the last she sees of them. And then, you know, of course, the FBI can't be bothered to interview the most crucial witnesses' mother to corroborate their time frame. I don't understand how that can even happen. I think they kind of felt like it was hearsay because they couldn't validate it with the card swipe. So she could be wrong. She could be off. But they're not. I mean, that would be the one thing I would say from an investigator's perspective.

I don't I don't doubt them seeing her. If I am being, if I'm being the dissenting opinion, in here, my doubt would come in for the timing because we do know from your account and from Yellow's account that they had walked around the deck and they had been up there at the club and the bar. So I don't think anybody's disputing the fact that they saw what they saw. I guess the question is, and it sucks, and I said this in our podcast episode, it sucks that they didn't use their key card because then they could basically reverse engineer it from there. But to your point, Brad, as you mentioned, mom was up. mom was in the room and let them in and yet she's never been interviewed so that that's that's the problem right there but

I want to I want to segue to something because I think we we covered that you definitely got my eyes open to some things to be transparent and I'm not one to just say that not only did they not corroborate the girl's story by doing that they never attempted to corroborate that's a problem I acknowledge it that's I'm not going to defend it it's a problem but for the people out there including myself I'm not going to run that are still more receptive or open to the idea that this could have been a tragic accident. Some of the things that you point to, because you're talking totality of circumstances saying, Hey, Derek, I hear you, but there's too much other stuff that points in a different direction. And I'm following you. But for the people who are going to point to things like the water, and this is anecdotal from my perspective, I just wanted to talk about it with you here because I don't know if I

talked about it in episode four, but with the argument of Amy not being found in that canal. I put this out there. And again, there's anomalies. Every case is different. I acknowledge that. No two cases are the same. One of the arguments that I made as far as her body not being found, and don't let me forget, Brad, to talk about the jawbone, because that's a big question, and we have to address what you told me in the DM. So don't let me forget that. But the one thing I would push back on with the water, although it's not that deep, although it's not that wide, it's a vast area. I was a diver. I wasn't a rescue diver, but I was a rescue diver. But I I was a diver for many years, all the variables, all the circumstances, visibility.

There's a lot of debris down there. There's rocks. There's branches. There's a ton of shit down there, to be honest with you. It's a scary place. And I had given an example in an episode about a woman named Robin Pope. And in this case, and I'll make it super quick, she, we believe that she had went off her dock, which was about 10, 15 feet from her backyard.

The water around her dock was only 9 to 12 feet deep. there was an area of coastline in the Chesapeake Bay where she could have been for 23 days they searched for her with radar, boats, divers,

we could not find her. 24th day she turns up a mile away from her house on the coastline she washed up on the rocks. Our hypothesis is that she went under, her shirt was torn

when we found her, she had been caught on something, gases expanded in her body and eventually she came loose and that's how we found her. So I say all that to say I agree with everything that a lot of the people have said, which is more than likely, she would have been found. I can't professionally say that it's not possible that unfortunately if she did go over, whether it's foul play or an accident, I don't think she jumped. I'm not even acknowledging that. That she could have gotten

caught on something because buoyancy when you first go in may not be there. It may happen over time. So is it possible, again, whether she was thrown in or fell or fell in, that she got caught under something and the divers or the radar missed her? I would not be doing my job if I didn't say that's a possibility at least. Well, yeah. And I'd also say it's possible. Aliens abducted her from the balcony. That's not fair. I mean, that's a big, that's a big junk.

It's possible, right? You know, you don't know. So, yeah, I hear you. I mean, yeah. I feel like, I feel like you and I have had this conversation before, Derek, when you're like, it's possible. And I'm like, so is this. Yeah, I know. But listen, and Brad, I'm not trying to get you to agree with me or not.

But as we're sitting here, we're shooting the shit, I know how you feel you made a very compelling argument. And there's still more of us to talk about. But even if it's foul play, let's say yellow did it. Let's say yellow and Oscar and Reggie are all involved. There's something that happened on the boat and they dumped her in the water. There's still a possibility that her body wouldn't be found. So when would they do this?

All right. She goes, she sees, she's seen in the elevator. I don't know, 545, 6 o'clock, let's call it. All right, the boat's docked at 6. Where are they throwing her off? And you've got a whole crew of people working on the docking process. I've seen videos of how many people are involved in that process, how they have to moor it to the dock and all the procedural stuff and the tugboats that are out there pushing the boat. That's not a ghost town out there.

So, yeah, I mean. It's not. It's not. But the crew members, the crew members would know the blind spots. though. If this is malicious and foul plays involved, they could have weighed her down, found an area that they're familiar with where there's nobody around, and dumped her overboard knowing she's going to sink to the bottom and nobody's in an area. And by the way, we already acknowledged they're monitoring the cameras. They know nobody's monitoring them. So I just

put that out there just to say we might be, and we're going to get into the photo and stuff, but even if it's not an accident, even if it's foul play, she could have went in the water and not been found these experts that say oh she would have been found i hear you nine out of ten times maybe but it would be unprofessional to say there are outliers where you can't explain the unexplainable that's all i'm saying i hear you and that's fair i mean it's yeah it's possible if they if they wader down yeah from the lower level i find that's it i find it highly unlikely that with the amount i'm with you yeah and i'll send you the video that i have of the docking process and how many people are involved and how many people are out there,

not to mention the people who are milling around, getting ready for their excursions and sitting on their balconies. And it'd be a pretty damn, balsy thing to do. I mean, listen, they bring a pilot. Royal Caribbean brings a pilot, right? At least on the bigger ships.

I've been on a lot of cruises. They'll actually bring a captain out from the island who specializes in docking. They come out on a boat or a helicopter. They come on just to dock the boat. So to your point, it's a big elaborate process it's not some guy up in the you know the whatever you call that area up there with behind the wheel you know of the what do they call the bridge right they're not up there with just one guy doing his thing so i

acknowledge that there would be people out there but if it was a random passenger who hurt amy very difficult to hide that but crew members people who are on the boat all the time if anybody would know where the blind spots are and what time frame to do it they would be the people right Yeah. I mean, yeah. And it'd also be the people to remove her via the waterline door access by boat. Absolutely. I completely agree. Stephanie said something to me in the final episode where, and I corrected her, where she said, you know, so you believe she wasn't trafficked. And I said, no, I believe the photo wasn't her. But before I get into the photo, I forgot, jawbone. Can you elaborate on the jawbone? Because we were, we had unanswered questions on that. You clarified that for me. So I want to let you at least talk about the jawbone. bone as it relates to the water. Yeah. So, yeah, so the jawbone was found in Aruba somewhere.

Correct. Would you know what year it was, 2010? I don't know what year it was, but we left it at, why haven't they tested yet? Why are there no results? And that's a big question mark. And you were able to answer that for me with proof in the DMs. He was six different documents, which included email correspondence. Yep. I verify him. I saw him. From the FBI agent of St. Croix, who we sent Amy's dental records to and they clearly confirm via forensic analysis that that jawbone was compared to Amy's dental records and was not her not her you followed up you were getting impatient you're like hey we sent it to you or somebody sent it like what do you guys doing with it and then finally they got back to you yeah yeah and so yeah so that's that was confirmed

and again you know people talk about all kinds of wrong stuff online and they run with it And then they turn it into fact. And it's just not that that was ruled out. So we have it here confirmed that jawbone, not your sister, which leads me to this photo. And I have, I went back and forth with Phil on it. I've talked about it with Stephanie. Before I say anything, what's your opinion on the photo slash photos, which they didn't

show on Netflix? Is that your sister in your opinion? I don't know. That's what I've been saying. and people, people yell at me. Well, what you say is that it's absolutely not heard. And we're going to go into it because I do believe 100% it's not her because it goes against the whole theory of why they would put her online.

And I feel very strongly about this. All right, well, let me tell you how I feel. Hit me with it. Yeah, so I think it was 2005. There's a lot of years and sightings. I think that's the year we received that picture. And obviously, so that's, you know, if that's correct, then that's seven years after she disappears.

We get this email. Holy shit. Like, you know, we've seen. And just like what the Netflix series comes out, we get hundreds and hundreds of pictures from, is this her? Is this her? Is this her? Thank you for your help. And I appreciate people's intention to try and be helpful, but no, not even close.

No, no, no. Easily no. And this picture, now I will admit, the one picture that they highlight on the, series is the most the one that looks like her the most for sure yeah and there's a actually two or three more of the whole set that's still like uh yeah man that really they're definitely not as good as that one though brad that one that they show and they highlight the angle the lighting it looks like your sister i agree and it's like the nose the eyebrows the hairline the ear the jaw the teeth the lips the angle of everything i agree and so it's like

like, oh my God, FBI analysis, and we've got the emails that confirmed the name of the man who was a forensic artist who did all this stuff, and they confirmed not 100% that it was Amy, but that there was a high probability that it was. Now, there are certain pictures in that where it's not like it's like that definitely is not her, but it's like, yeah, that doesn't look like her as much. There are certain pictures where all of the tattoos that she has, she's positioned in such a way that you wouldn't be able to see them. But there's other pictures that you clearly should be able to see where they're, but you don't know if you're looking at her left ankle or her right ankle or if the pictures flip. I agree. I really say that the left shoulder blade in that one

picture where the dip is. I don't know how many people have a dipped in shoulder blade. That's a little bit odd. And we've determined through AI analysis that there is apparently digital noise is how it was explained to me, overlying the areas where her tattoos are. They're working on trying to remove that, and I don't know if that can be done or not. So you're looking at the ankle, you think it's her right ankle, but the picture's flipped and might be her left ankle. You're looking at her left shoulder. That might be her right shoulder and her hairs over the Tasmania Devil tattoo. So it's really hard to tell. I don't know if there was or how good. Photoshop was back then. I don't know about makeup. I don't know about whatever. And no, I'm not 100%

on the pictures. None of us are. We can't be. But I can sure tell you over 27 years, those pictures are the closest thing that we've ever seen. And especially one or two of them are like, there's really not, and it kind of takes the question away out of our heads that it's her. So, yeah, I mean, I hear what you're saying. It's fair that you think what you think, and I think probably a lot of people do. Let me elaborate on it because it's not just me just pulling it out of my ass, right? I talked to a digital expert that I've worked with many times. The number one problem with the digital noise argument that they're saying is this isn't the original photo.

This was uploaded online. And so it's a copy of a copy. And so you're not going to see the alterations in the upload from that website. it wouldn't be there because it's basically like a a photocopy of the original photo. So the metadata is not going to show you that. So whoever that person is, I'm not trying to discredit them, but that doesn't even make sense to me from the people that I've spoke with.

And I can even bring this person in so you can hear it directly from them because ultimately this isn't me proving a point. I get frustrated when people provide you with bullshit information and whether that's for money or whatever. I don't know the circumstances, but I've heard about some of the things where you guys were taking advantage of. it pisses me off. Yeah.

So there's no skin in the game for me. I just want to make sure that I'm doing whatever I can to help. So that's the first thing was the digital noise or any indication that it was altered. But let's just step back for a macro level here, look at it, where I talked in an episode about what human traffickers will, who they'll usually target. It's a disenfranchised. It's people that are not going to be looked for that their family isn't going to be out there pounding the pavement with their poster everywhere with the FBI looking for them. human traffickers don't want to be caught. It's bad for business.

So to think that they would take Amy, who is not getting the attention she's getting now, but is still being put out there, you guys were out there looking for, that they would plaster her on a website where it would possibly leak back to them. Doesn't make a lot of sense on the surface, but even more so,

if I acknowledge or at least concede that they altered those pictures, you're going to alter the tattoos, but you're not going to alter her hair or face. Like, that to me is the identifiable mark, even more than the tattoos. But overall, if I'm involved with this, I'm not putting her online. It's back channels. It's behind the scenes.

It's the black market because it's too much of a risk to put her face out there. And as far as the photo itself, to what you said, I don't think it's mirrored, but let's say for this argument it is, then you wouldn't see the shoulder where the dizzy devil would be on, but you would see the ankle tattoo. And conversely, if it's the other way, you would, I think that indentation, because that woman is holding her shoulder up, I think it's the dealt going into the trap. And it's creating that little bit of a shadow as her arms going up with based on lighting. There's something that I would like to send to you. If I can find it again, I think I bookmarked it. But there's a guy, there was a guy on TikTok and, you know, I don't know whether it's legit or whether he messed with the picture or whatever.

but he basically takes a picture of her ankle where in the photo you're looking at it and you can't see a tattoo there and then he goes in and does all these you know changes the saturation and this and that and does all this stuff to the picture and I can show it to you it basically reveals her ankle tattoo to include a good portion of there's a plus sign towards the top of her ankle tattoo and then the M that's on it. You could definitely send it to me, and I am no means an expert in it, but I will say there are people, unfortunately, and I don't, I haven't seen this TikTok, but I'm sure you've been exposed to it to that will say or do certain things to get clicks and views. Well, yeah, we got it's, it's of the lady in Curacao with the blonde hair you see from the back walking next to the wall. She's got tattoos.

There you go. Those people, we found the original photo. Those someone. Scumbags. Tattoes on the woman, yeah. So, yeah, we know that kind of stuff. Yeah, so that's where I'm mad at. You have like the shoulder area, then you have the trapezoid area. There could be a shadow there. Overall, what I will say is, I don't believe it's your sister.

But to me, what's even more telling is that you and your mom are not 100% sure either. I have two young daughters, the 12 and 9. I'd like to think, regardless of how much time has passed, if I saw them, even if they've aged, there would be no doubt in my mind. You might disagree. You've been through it. I haven't been. What I'd say is we all believe that that is her. We feel like it is her and looks like her. But we can't honestly say we know 100% that it's her. That was a point of me saying, you know, we aren't 100%. Okay.

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To speak to an advisor free of charge What do you feel about my argument that if they did traffic her, whether it's yellow, whether it's someone else that we haven't identified yet, what would be the rationale when the frigging FBI and you guys are looking for and putting all this money toward it, what would be the rationale behind putting her on a website that everyone can view? I don't know. It wouldn't be very smart.

No, it wouldn't be very smart. I don't think these guys are Harvard scholars. They're not. They're not. Real quickly, because it kind of segues into it, what do you think about this? this theory that there's another woman out there named Jass, a.k.a. Susan, whatever, who's pretending to be Amy because it's going to get her more money. Yeah, I heard about that. I don't know that I know anything about this, Susan, that I heard you guys talk about.

This is, this is new to me, so I don't know about it. I found it. It was on, and I could direct you towards it. It was on Reddit. I think your friend James Renner there, actually, James, is it Renner the last one last name? Yeah. He had interviewed someone who potentially knew this woman. the only reason I brought it up is because I, when I was undercover, we did a lot of sex worker stings and John Stings. And what we found, I used to pretend I was the John in some cases, what these women would do is they'd give you a story.

You know, I got to pay the electric bill. I got, you know, bills to pay at home. I need food. If you can give me, you know, a couple hundred bucks, that's going to help me, you know, over this hump. And one of the stories was from that Navy officer or whoever, who I'm not a fan of, to be honest with you just if that's what he heard and coming forward all these years later and he was kind of like laughing in the interview i didn't i didn't like it i didn't like it but um the story that

he told that this woman had said i'm amy bradley you know for 200 you know i owe them 200 bucks they have my papers to me it sounded like a money grab and i my suspicion is that this woman we're seeing in these photos who absolutely knew that she looked like your sister was trying to generate income off of it because for these sickos out there, they would enjoy and get gratification out of knowing this is a woman who was kidnapped and is a missing woman. Because there's some sick MFers out there, if you know what I mean. So some people might play into it. Do I have anything to confirm that? No, but it is a working suspicion that I have, which would explain her putting out these photos, looking like your sister, but not exactly. Again, hypothesis,

nothing to substantiate it. Yeah, I mean, I can't say that's not a plausible theory. I think there's a million of them. And I can tell you, you know, over the past 27 years, my mind's gone through every scenario you could possibly think of. And it's a tough thing. But, you know, whether, you know, and obviously we don't know if she's alive. We hope that she is. We have a gut feeling that we feel that she is.

And I can't make sense of that or explain that to people to make it make sense. It's just something that we have always all shared and it's never gone away. Maybe that's just the level of hope that we've lived with for 27 years that creates that feeling. I don't know. But that's the way that we feel. I don't know whether it's an intuition type of thing or whether it's just false hope. I can't tell you. When we started this whole thing, or I'll just speak from.

myself after the series came out. And again, it was the first time in 25 years where everybody, well, first time ever, everybody around the world is interested in it and potentially the last time. So I still feel that whether or not Amy is out there or not, let's play devil's advocate and say that she's not. We're still not going to believe the jumped over, fell over, ran away theories. We still think that someone did something to her. We're still never going to stop trying to hold the people or person responsible for that accountable. And this whole thing, and I've had this feeling since we first started, depends on somebody that knows something coming forward and saying something. Because not just one person knows something, I think there are

quite a few people that know something. And, you know, 27 years is an awful long time. time to keep a secret. We were begging and pleading that one person out there that knows something needs to come forward. And maybe we don't find Amy. Maybe we aren't able to find enough evidence or have this reinvestigated to the point where the perpetrators are held to account. But maybe we can affect some positive change in the arena of new legislation, something that changes the way that jurisdictional laws and barriers to these sovereign countries were. to potentially try and help prevent this from happening to someone else and someone else's family. I hear your argument about this not being jazz and it's all a farce and maybe it's

someone else pretending to be her for extra money or whatever. Well, by the way, and that doesn't rule out the trafficking theory. It just means someone's capitalizing on it. That's all it would indicate. Yeah, and sure, that's possible. But, you know, I think that it's clear in my mind, the people that I think were involved in what happened to Amy did what they did. And I don't know exactly what they did, but I don't believe any of the other BS about her going into water. You know, we have three eyewitnesses that see her that morning with yellow in the club or going up to the club and then in the club. We have an eyewitness we haven't talked about yet named David Carmichael from Canada who saw this girl who, and he's identified yellow to the FBI through a lineup of one of the

guys he saw with her. His diving partner confirmed her belly button and her, uh, the lizard, the gecko tattoo around her navel. David Carmichael spoke about a men's do Seki's watch that had never been discussed or revealed in anything. It's not something we even ever thought about or talked about to any person ever. Was she wearing that watch in the video? I think so. Yeah. I think so. I'm always skeptical of people. I'm a cynic in that thing. So I'm always trying to prove them as liars first before I believe them. There's just a lot of people in my career who've come forward who seem like they want to help.

But I'm not disputing David or anything. I'm just, I'm wondering if anybody would have had access to that information without it being disclosed to them. That's all. Yeah. And I can't, I can't confirm because I,

I wasn't paying attention. I didn't, I see in the pictures that she has a watch on. I don't know if that was watch. We don't have the watch. So, and apparently my parents remember her bringing that. on the cruise. So I don't know for sure whether that was the watch she had on that night. I can't

tell you that. But I find that, you know, an interesting detail that I think a lot of people don't know about. And David Carmichael has been adamant. He's 100% sure. And then you have the Barbados siding and you have the San Francisco siding. And that gets all into the Alfred Cotton story and the Margarita Island and the, you know, the sex worker thing that he and his wife probably plead down to a five-year probation for some information that they volunteered on someone else. We don't have that information either. That's kind of a, that's a pretty convoluted story. And I honestly haven't memorized all the details well enough to talk about it intelligently. I understand your devil's advocacy, but I think at some point when you have a certain amount of information that points in a

certain direction, you've got to stop playing that game at a point. So my final words on it, and it wasn't about proving right or wrong, I think the thing we'd be in agreement on, and I'm going to let Stephanie wrap this up is we both want the same thing. I started off saying it. I know family. I don't care what has happened before, what has happened after, deserves to go through what you guys have gone through, not knowing what happened to your loved one.

It's something that we should never accept. And unfortunately, let's just be honest, the reason Netflix decided to cover this episode is because it is a true mystery, right? Like there's not enough there. If it was clear cut what happened to your sister, they would have had no interest in it. It's that it's the fact that we don't know is why they were interested in it. And yeah, they want to help. But ultimately, it's a good story where they knew that people were going to be on here going through it and speculating. That's what it is.

But there are people that really want to help you. all I will say is you have my number now. If there's anything I could do, anything you want to bounce off me, I'm here. I'm not a skeptic in a sense that I don't believe it's possible. I said it in our final episode.

For me, I think both are still on the table, although I will acknowledge, and I've always said it, the witness testimony, the sightings on the island, the fact that nobody knows anything as far as where we are now,

the fact that there was DESHI, there's other people. It's a lot. And a lot of the times where there's smoke, there's fire. And yellow has not been consistent. So I acknowledge all that because I'm not his defense attorney I want to find out what happened

Whoever it was he's not only not been consistent he's been lying his ass off I've said many times You're telling the truth that you got nothing to hide we lying for I'm with you the only the only pushback I would give is and I don't know yellow I don't give a shit about yellow is he lying because he was involved is he lying because he's a scumbag who is doing stuff like this all the time and royal caribbean was after him or whatever I don't know. I'm not going to defend the guy. He clearly wasn't an upstanding person. The question is, why is he lying? We know he's lying. Yeah. Why don't we get, why don't we? That's the million dollar question. Why don't we make a call for old yellow and old Oscar and any other players you want to get? And let's all sit down to a fresh set of polygraphs with new AI technology. And I'll let's have a conversation. Love that. Crime Weekly will pay for it. Yeah, why wouldn't you agree to it if you, if you're

innocent and you could easily clear your name by doing it. So let's do it. I'm all for that. I'm all for that. And I would also say also just more of an easier thing to do without even technology. Hey, yellow, who came to your room that morning? That's all I need. I need a name. We'll go talk to them and polly them. Now we start to reverse engineer who was involved and how deep does it run and who can corroborate or discredit these stories. That doesn't even take a polygraph. That's just following the leads. I mean, the FBI can't question him apparently unless he agrees to it currently as it stands well this private there's independent investigators my firm would do it my firm would pay for the polygraph we would interview and we wouldn't we would do a statement

analysis we would cover that the floor is out there just like it was when we said hey if brad wants to come on we want to get you the answers i don't know what those answers are going to be but we got we got to get you some answers there's no reason that we should have 900 million downloads for a show and you and your mom and your dad should be left right where you started that's not just justice. There should be some movement in this case, even if it's not the answers you want. There should be something. That's where I'm at. As a father, there's got to be something. So did you say the FBI will not interview him? It's not that they would refuse to interview him as far as I understand. They've told us that they cannot interview him unless he agrees to it.

And he ain't doing that. He'll agree to a softball from James Renner, who, you know, portends to be on his side as a perpetrator sympathizer and someone who attacks and slanders victims' families to sell a book, but he won't agree to be reinvestigated or re-interviewed by a new team of FBI agents. Maybe, Derek, maybe you can get him to agree to it. I'd like to get you...

Open invitation. I'd like to get you in touch with our... Open invitation, we'll... And see what you guys can come up. I'm game. Yeah. And I have the polygraph examiners. We can do a statement.

If he's willing to do it, we can have it unedited. We don't even have to record it. We can just report back on it. We don't need it. You know, it's one of those things where if he's willing to do it, all for it, all for it. I do find it interesting that he would be willing to sit down with an investigative journalist, but not willing to be re-interviewed by the FBI. Because if this is about clearing your name and getting your reputation unsullied, why wouldn't you go the more? like legal authoritative route.

So I guarantee you. So, you know, James Renner's whole thing is that our family did not support or accept sexuality. Therefore, he suggested that's why she killed herself. And it's bullshit. It's a hundred. It was none of that. One more thing I'll mention before I go on that rant in Yellow's interview, he also states

that Amy told him that my dad forced her to come. He was forced to go on the cruise. Yeah. Yeah, he found out she was gay three years earlier. And I wonder who planted that seed in Yellow's head before the interview. Ask yourself that. I didn't believe it. I didn't believe it because I remember Amy's friends saying she was excited to go on the cruise.

Another bold face lie. There's absolutely no truth to that. There was no contention whatsoever. there was no argument on the balcony. I have no idea where that stupid story came from. Dad did not. Now, he did come back up to the club to check on us. I don't know if you've seen this part of the story. Dad, he's not sure exactly what time it was. We didn't get full access to all the key card data. He thinks it was sometime between 2.30 and 3. He goes up there because I was dancing with a bunch of people and apparently I started dancing with this guy's wife. I have

no idea and the guy comes up to my face like you know gives me crap and i walk over to dad and i'm like dude this guy just almost got me um so dad goes to bed we're out you know three hours after they go in he wakes up we're not there he's like oh let me go check on my son maybe he's been beaten in the dance club so comes up there he checks on us he did not we did not walk back to the room with him he did not make us come back to the room he went back to the room by himself we came in later yeah so there's a lot of there's a lot of BS uh stories out there that people think but you know like I said a lot of people clicks and views man yeah but getting back to renter's whole deal you know he he and I think the reason that he is able to get these

interviews is because he sides with the suspects and he says hey man I'll tell you what happened her family hated her because she was gay so she killed herself so I'm here to help you let's talk about it well I don't even mind if he's does that if once he gets him on record he you know i've done that to get the interview the interrogation and then you turn it on them but yeah you got to you got to be unbiased you got to be objective yeah if you do any research on um his pattern of uh behavior over time this is his emo it's what he does in almost every case he covers oh i i see you guys going at it i'm like i'm playing switzerland that's why i'm glad we got you on you know it's there's no incentive

here we'll see where it goes i mean like i said we're available i know stepney's gonna wrap it up but I, we're available, anything we can do to help. I'm glad you came on. We talked for over, over two hours. And I think you cleared up a lot of things. I think people are going to be enlightened by what you had to say. And this is what it's all about, like respectful discourse, because we're not in echo chambers.

We're all going for the same goal. And it's important not to have everyone on the same path, because if you do, you're all going to come to the same conclusion, and it's not necessarily the right one. So to have a fresh set of eyes, to have an open conversation, an open dialogue, That's how you offer alternate theories and maybe alternate ideas on how to solve the problem and maybe one of them works.

That's how it's supposed to be done. Yeah, and I appreciate you, man. I don't have your background or your experience with what you do. I think you're fair with what you say. You know, I don't have answers to some of your questions and nor can I, you know. But I think it's their fair questions to ask. I think you've got to ask all the questions. I might disagree with some of your points and some of your positions,

but that doesn't mean they're not, you know, you're not entitled to them, you know? I respect it. I respect it. Appreciate you all having me on and I'm happy to do it any time. At the end of the day, both Derek and I were talking when we were having the connection issues and you had to go and recharge your phone. We were saying how much we respect you because, I mean, we understand to a much, like, smaller scale, what it's like to be in the public eye and have people feel free to speculate on like your personal life and all of this stuff. And what you and your parents are going through with,

you know, not only losing Amy, but putting yourselves out there year after year after year in order to keep the awareness of her being missing alive. And you keep putting yourselves out there for anybody to pick apart and make speculations and say things like you said, people will say things and couldn't be further from the truth, but you can't combat every one of those and these things spread around to have the, you know, the ability to come and sit and talk to us, knowing that once again you're putting yourself out there, opening yourself up to speculation, opening yourself up to criticism, and keeping it really respectful and mature and open-minded, even if you might come in defensively. It's just we have so much.

much respect for you. We appreciate that so much. And so very few people in this world can understand what you've experienced and what you continue to experience. That is, you know, it's unfortunately you have to be in this, this minority of people who have been through this. And not one person who's saying anything about this case or saying anything about speculations, including James Runner and Yellow, have had to go through what you're currently going through. And so it's never going to be something they can understand. We cannot understand it. But I think it's every parent, every brother, every sister's greatest fear.

And you have conducted yourself so professionally and just, you know, really, really respectfully during this. And we do appreciate that because we never know what to expect going into these things. We don't know you. We don't know what we're facing. But you were great. Thank you for answering our questions. Thank you for listening to our questions. Thank you for trying to be open-minded about things that I know it's very difficult to even consider, because like you said, this is all the hope you have left. And so whatever we can do, whatever crime weekly can do, if there's new information, you want us to share it on socials, if there's a call for information and you want people to answer things, we will do that for you, anything that we can do because we want to understand what happened to Amy. And if she is still out there, obviously, we would like to know.

that too. So anything we can do to help, you have, you have a respect. We are, you know, we would try to do anything we could for you. And if we could get yellow, if you know how to contact him. Well, James does. I bet he won't give you his number, though. No, he won't. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. I'll say it right here on record. I'm going to reach out to him. I've never spoken to the guy before, but I feel I don't think it's going to work, but I'll reach out to James. He's probably going to see this clip. I'll reach out to him. Yeah, you know, I appreciate that, Stephanie. Yeah, it's hard to explain to people what, you know, what our life has been like.

Obviously, I have a wonderful wife. I have a wonderful life. I have the best parents in the world. Life is good. You know, I got a great job. I got a lot of, you know, tons of friends and family. I don't want to paint a picture like I'm, you know, huddled in a corner crying for the last 27 years. I mean, we have to live our life, too. I try to be professional about it and mature about. it, but, you know, sometimes I have weak moments and sometimes, you know, some nastiness gets to me to a point where, you know, I'm not going to tolerate but so much idiocy. It's tough to stay above the fray 24 hours a day when you got a bunch of morons saying some of the most vile, disgusting things that a person could say to a victim's family or about a victim's family. It's

just horrible. Totally agree. But I feel like you know who you are. Oh, yeah. And I've at no point ever attempted to deceive anybody. I've never been dishonest. Yeah, maybe we don't have perfect times and we're off five minutes or ten minutes or something like that. And, you know, we're not making shit up. I mean, we do the best we can. Deceiving the public by any measure helps us none. We've been as honest and as forthcoming, and I will continue to be as we can possibly be.

And, you know, people are going to think what they're going to think no matter what you do. And you have no control over that. So those. Yeah, people are going to people. Yeah. The haters are unimportant and insignificant to what we're trying to do. And, you know, I guess I would ask for you guys help potentially with some outreach to these islands. And, you know, Curisal's been awful quiet.

Barbados, we don't hear anything from those people. Aruba. you know, everybody's like a clam over there. And I don't know whether they're afraid of law enforcement that's corrupt or cartels that work through those islands and have people on payrolls or what. I don't get it. I also think it's also tourist stuff, right? Like these people make a living on tourism.

And so if these islands start to get a black eye, people don't want to visit. Well, they got a black eye. Yeah. So, and it's no secret. I mean, I think we all know how many billions of dollars worth of drugs go through those islands. You know, so it's a, you know, human trafficking is not a conspiracy theory. You know, it is a very real global crisis. Unfortunately, there's a lot of children involved in it.

I don't believe it's strictly female either. I think there's boys and young men that are involved in it. And people think just like they think about my story. Yeah, that's done. That stuff doesn't really have. And that happens to other people, happens to thousands and thousands of people all the time. And if people are serious in our government about combating human trafficking, whether or not, Derek, that is what Amy felt subject to. Where's the change? Where are the laws and the bills that are being passed to affect the changes, not only to, let's say, for instance, pass a bill to require all cruise lines.

to maintain archived, recorded footage permanently on their ships instead of having these bullshit monitoring cameras, whether that's the truth or not. Why don't we change treaties so that our government has the authority and the ability to investigate crimes that happen in a different country? Will they involve American citizens? Absolutely. Yeah. And so, you know, let's see some change. And again, obviously, first and foremost, if Amy's out there, that's our goal to find her. If she's not, our next goal is to hold somewhat accountable for what happened, because I think we all have a pretty good idea whether we can

dance around it or play devil's advocate here or there. I think we all have a pretty good idea who was involved, at least in the beginning stages of whatever happened. Where's the accountability? Where's the justice for Amy? Where's our justice? There is and hasn't been any. So if y'all can help get this message, do these islands or help us with some social media outreach to these places and these people, whatever you can think of. I mean, obviously, we don't have all the ideas in the world. I can't tell you how many times on TikTok and X someone suggests something. And it's like, my God, how did I not think of that? Yeah.

Well, that's why the FBI should be more open by now with their investigation because we could crowdsource. Yeah, I agree. come up with ideas that haven't been come up with before. 27 years is cold. The case is cold. I don't know what kind of process you would take to sort of demand that they do or say, you know, maybe bring it to the Supreme Court or something. I don't know what that process is.

We can look into it. But they need to be answering as to why they don't want to release those files, even to the family, even in a redacted form. Yeah. All right. So if you're not going to do anything anyway, let's close the case. They're not doing anything, man. We said this about Britney Drexel, too.

Remember that it was unsolved and cold for so long and they wouldn't open the case files and let people look and see what's going on and see if they have other options. Rule it accidental. Close it. Yes. Rule it an accidental death.

Close it. And then you guys get the access to the files. But why aren't they doing that? And I wonder if it's because there was mistakes made in the FBI investigation that they don't want to be made public. Only one way to know is if you got the report. reports. That's the only way. And at this point, yeah, it should absolutely be closed. They won't do

it more than likely. They won't. Which is weird. I'd like to see happen. We've got some meetings coming up and I won't share quite yet with who. I'd like to see the case closed, release the grand jury testimony, release the file via FOIA request that we've made, and reopen the case with a new team. So that's kind of the ultimate goal here. We'd love. We'd love. to get this in front of President Trump. I know people, and I'm not trying to be political. I feel deep in my bones, the man gets things done. And if we can get it in front of him, we've been tagging Bonino and Cash Patel and all these people, Pam Bondi, relentlessly, and I don't know whether they're just not seeing it or whether they have more important things to do. But if we can get

some help to make something happen, you know, I don't think, you know, Trump, you know, Trump gives a rip about jurisdiction laws in Grenada, O'Barbados. Where could people find you if they have any information they want to contact you, Brad? So first and foremost, you know, the email Amy Bradley is missing at gmail.com. Her website, there's a ton of information on there that would save me a lot of time from some of the questions I have to answer repeatedly at amy bradley is missing.com. The tip line via telephone is 804-789 for Amy, which is 804-780s. 89, 4269. And then, you know, my ex page is at B-R-A-D-R-A-D-5 Bradley, B-R-A-D-L-E-Y.

So Bradrad 5, Bradley. And then my TikTok is at Amy Bradley is missing. You know, there's a YouTube page where I did some TikTok lives. It's called At Amy Bradley is missing on YouTube. You can find, now I don't really, I'm still trying to figure out of work TikTok. Likewise, right there with you. But on X, I posted every single interview I've done, posted a lot of additional information and documents and pictures and all kinds of things. And I wish people would take the time to kind of pour through that.

I think it proves a lot of points. And people just go on what they hear around the rumor mill on TikTok and all these videos that are wrong a bunch of times. You know, go check out Stormy C underscore Spirit on TikTok. That dude's money. He's done some really good videos, really accurate things. That's the TikTok you sent me. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I've seen him a few times.

Much more so than I've seen a level of accuracy on other people's information they're putting out. Not that they're on other good people doing things, but yeah, I appreciate your offer to help. I'll be in touch with you. Anything you come up with, please. I'm going to reach out to James Renner. I don't know him personally. I don't know if he'll respond to me, but I think that'd be the starting point

because what I would like is the name of the person who woke yellow up. Yellow, it depends on which interview you go to because all his interviews tell different bullshit. So he's got the one with Renner, he says the hotel manager called him. We have a crew list. I can tell you who the hotel manager is.

That's who called him. I don't know who he claims came to his room on the CNN interview. I don't know who Oscar is saying. CNN interview was like 2015 as well, by the way. I don't know who Oscar is claiming came to his room. Security came to their room at 3 to 4 a.m. Hotel manager called Yellow at 7 a.m.

Now at 6 a.m. 10 years ago, someone came to their room again. So, you know, Derek, Stephanie, they're clearly lying multiple times, and we can prove every one of them. And their time discrepancies aren't minor. They're like glaringly, obviously false. Oh, for sure. I mean, we pointed that on the last episode. It's like, all right, two and a half hours worth how were you? Yeah, something's not passing the smell test for sure.

So I'll reach out with that. Derek, she didn't fall over. She didn't jump over. If something, if she ended up in the water at any point, whether it was at that island or whether they hit her and dumped her on the way to St. Martin, someone did something. And those two guys are the key to it. and the closest you're going to find to who's responsible for this. But again, I'm going to go back.

I can send you pictures of those water-level doors. I swear to you that morning, there was a lot of activity on the backside. That whole dance entourage that came on the boat in Aruba, there was a large group of people. All right, where do those people go? And you'll see in Stormy's video, he talks about downline. It was like a dance troupe, like a dance troupe. First, it was fire jugglers. it was whatever all the people that came on to perform they weren't of the ship's employee and

they weren't passengers this big entourage of people came on the boat on aruba now where do they get off they get off during that downline disembarkation on the backside via ferry you know those back doors i saw when i saw that happening i saw vehicles with men standing over on the land i saw boats i saw jet skis i saw mid-sized boats i saw them remove large containers i saw them deliver all kinds of things. And I'm saying they're watching it. I mean, I literally could have watched the boat Amy was taken away on.

Oh, yeah. We talked about it in episode one. Plenty of opportunity. If you wanted to smuggle somebody off the boat, you definitely could. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And people think she walked off,

or they took her off the gangplank on the taxi side. That didn't happen that way. No shot. No shot. No shot she walked off the boat. And I'll close with this. Yellow went up that elevator, that elevator with Amy.

He was seen. he was seen coming off the elevator in the disco by a third eyewitness to testify in the grand jury. He handed her off after he handed her a dark drink, took her to the back where the crew service elevator was, whoever was waiting there to take her down and hold her. And then when those doors opened in the morning, you know, again, via the same way they get drugs and shit on that boat, they have a bunch of, you know, corrupt and criminal people working on those boats that do all that stuff. And that's firmly how I believe they got her off to both that morning. I have looked into that.

You're absolutely right. The cruise ships, especially back then, did not do their due diligence, no background checks or weak background checks for employees. People would sometimes be working on the cruise ships and then get off and never come back. And it was like, oh, that person's just gone. But yeah, this is why I've never been on a cruise. I don't feel safe. So definitely a lot of things that could happen.

and your jurisdiction issue because you're floating in a floating city in the middle of the water and nobody wants to take responsibility when something like this happens. You got, I don't know how many billions of dollars worth of Coke and whatever comes through those islands. And mind you, Curacao, Aruba, Bon Air, all that's right off the coast of Venezuela. So all that stuff can easily be transported there. There's plenty of places boats can come and go without being checked. Those boats, those cruise ships, I don't know. I think it's a fact drugs are moved in there. People are arrested. Drugs are found. All kinds of kilos that crew members are arrested with. They move drugs through those boats. How do you think they get drugs on that boat without the harbor chief or the chief or the harbor police being aware of it? Because he's on the tank. How do you think the people on the island and the police officials who we've since found out are corrupt? How do you think all that stuff happens without them knowing about it? If I were in the cartel and I was-

as old as time. Yeah, of course. And I said, hmm, who do I want to threaten to be on my payroll? I think I'm going to pick the guy who writes and potentially falsifies the security reports. Let's get him on our team. You know, just something to think about. You know, I don't know. And that's all, that's all speculation and maybe just a bunch of bullshit. But it certainly does make sense. You know, if you're going to infiltrate these boats with crew from different islands, and you'd need someone like that on your side who wasn't really trying to do a good job at securing the vessel. Like with all these cases, more questions than answers, that's for sure.

But we're here to support you. Whatever you need, we'll be here. We hope at minimum, this is almost a three-hour interview. So thank you for taking the time to sit down and go over as much as we did it. We could probably do another three hours. You guys know Brad's on X. Brad, what's your handle one more time? Yeah, it's B-R-A-D-R-A-D-5, the number five, and then B-R-A-D-L-E-Y.

So Brad, Rad, I've Brad. Well, we hope that we, whether it's through us or someone else, we hope that there's movement in this case, whether that's just the FBI closing it and giving you guys access to those reports and having a new team look at it. There needs to be movement in this case. We hope that there is. Thank you so much for sitting down with us. It was a great discussion.

Guys, weighing down in the comments below, let us know what you think. Where do you stand on this one? What can we do to help? Give us some ideas. And we will, if there's an update in the case, we will be more than happy to cover it here. We hope that there is. Brad, thank you again so much. Hello, welcome.

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