Crime Weekly - S3 Ep365: The Murder of Rob Reiner & Brown University Shooting

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

Hollywood director Rob Reiner and his wife, Michele Singer Reiner, were found dead with apparent stab wounds in their Brentwood, Los Angeles home on December 14, 2025, and their son, Nick Reiner, was arrested and charged with first-degree murder in connection with the killings. An attack at Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island left two students dead and nine others wounded when a gunman opened fire inside an engineering building, and authorities have released images of a suspect and offered a reward for information as the search continues. Try our coffee! - www.CriminalCoffeeCo.com Become a Patreon member -- > https://www.patreon.com/CrimeWeekly Shop for your Crime Weekly gear here --> https://crimeweeklypodcast.com/shop Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/c/CrimeWeeklyPodcast Website: CrimeWeeklyPodcast.com Instagram: @CrimeWeeklyPod Twitter: @CrimeWeeklyPod Facebook: @CrimeWeeklyPod ADS: 1. https://www.RocketMoney.com/CrimeWeekly - Cancel your unwanted subscriptions and more today with Rocket Money! 2. https://www.Rula.com/Crimeweekly - Prioritize your mental health in 2026 with Rula! Let them know we sent you!

Hey, everyone back to crime weekly news. I'm Derek Lavasar. And I'm Stephanie Harlow. And this is a bad one today. You know it's a bad day when we're sitting here deciding what stories to cover. It's this last week. almost this last two or three days it's been insane you have the incident over in australia you have the brown university shooting and you also have the death of rob reiner and his wife and we're just

thinking about everybody we're going to get into a couple stories today as you can see from the title but we're thinking about everybody who's going through these tragedies it's just you just never know you never know what you're going to wake up to and we were talking about it and it's just scary times scary times to be to be living in and we're thinking about everything about everybody involved. So we're going to start with the shocking story that just took place in Hollywood and the nation is all talking about it. So obviously we have to talk about it as well. It's the tragic deaths of legendary filmmaker Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle Singer Reiner. They were both found stabbed to death in their Brentwood home this past weekend and what was a quiet Sunday

afternoon for neighbors turned into a grim homicide investigation when LAPD discovered the couple's bodies and it had been reported that their 32-year-old son had been arrested in connection with their deaths. Now, just a little bit more context, and I couldn't be wrong here. I know I just said when Los Angeles police found their bodies, I believe it was actually their daughter who found their bodies. And I say, I believe, because there's been so many mixed reports out there, but from what I've heard, the daughter found the bodies, she then called law enforcement. They got involved. And when they got involved, there's been a lot of speculation about who actually killed them. And I was watching this press release very quickly because I've been staying up on the Brown University shooting.

It's close to home. We're going to talk about that. But the lead detective on the case was saying how it was an active investigation and there was standing within that house. So they needed to get a warrant. And I saw a lot of talk about this online as far as why didn't they just go through the house? why didn't they just start searching? There's a killer on the loose. And why do they have to wait for the search warrant?

And I want to just start by clarifying that for everybody who's not familiar with how that process would work. Yes, there is exigent circumstances where you can go inside and preserve evidence. So even without a warrant, if you believe that evidence could be tampered with or destroyed, you as a law enforcement officer have a right to go in and make sure that doesn't happen. But once you do that, if there's somebody, else living in that residence who has an expectation of privacy, you need a search warrant. Because if you find something that incriminates another person who's still alive, that technically

could get thrown out without the proper paperwork. So I know people are frustrated and there was a lot of back and forth over if someone was arrested, if someone wasn't. And like I had just said, they were talking about the sun. But this was the right way to do it. It does take a little bit longer, but as we're going to talk about with the Brown University shooting in a couple minutes, being first doesn't necessarily mean you're right. And that couldn't be more true with these two stories. Yeah. So what it seems happened here is the son was taken into custody because eventually they kind of realized, hey, there's no forced entry in this house. The son was living, his name's Nick. He was living in like the guest cottage on his parents.

property. And there's been, obviously, and I don't think it's been a secret. Nick Reiner himself has discussed his history with drug use, drug abuse, how he's been in and out of rehab centers, how he experienced bouts of being homeless as a teenager. And in fact, by 2015, he'd gotten clean and he was working with his father, Rob Reiner, on a semi-autobiographical film called Being Charlie, which was about addiction and recovery. And so Rob Reiner directed it. Nick co-wrote the film, and it's about a successful actor with political ambitions and a son addicted to drugs, which, I mean, semi-autobiographical, pretty spot on. So what it looks like here is that it looks like at least Rob and Nick, I don't know if Michelle was there, but at least Robin Nick on Saturday night were at a party, a Christmas party, a Conan O'Brien's house. and they had an argument.

They were seen to be having an argument there, and Nick was allegedly acting very strange. And then on Sunday, the daughter finds Rob and Michelle's bodies. The police come. They take Nick into custody Sunday evening, and by the next day, he's been arrested and booked. So it appears that whatever they talked with him about during his interview, led them to believe whether he confessed or whether, you know,

he said things that he was the one responsible. So it definitely looks like Nick Reiner is believed to be the one responsible for his parents' murder and murders. And they both have wounds consistent with stab wounds is what the official statement is now. They haven't really come out and said, like, hey, these people are stabbed to death. If there's any other wounds, if they were beaten, if there's some other injuries on their body, they just simply said that they have injuries consistent with stab wounds. this is very sad. I saw some reports that said their throats were slipped, but that is

completely unconfirmed. The big thing with this story, and it was being reported on earlier today before we started recording, right when it was originally announced, people were saying that Nick had been arrested and charged with their murders, and that was simply not true. I remember going back and looking at some different articles, and none of them were really saying that. TMZ had come out and said that the son had been arrested, but then that presser that I was telling you about was after that and the lead detective was like no that's not the case we're looking at suspects right now and then shortly after that all this developed but it just goes to show you and we were talking about this with the brown university

shooting I had been consulting with Stephanie as far as like you know what I should put out what I shouldn't put out because we were throwing it up on our social media platforms and there really is this rush to be the first to disseminate this information and in many instances it's it's It's not fully flushed out. It's not coming from law enforcement. People are speculating or they're talking to their law enforcement sources. And in reality, they're wrong. Now you can't go back.

Now you have people's names out in the public eye who may not be responsible at all, but there's going to be a small pocket of people who hear that one piece of information or see that one article and assume that this guy killed someone. Now here, it does look like that was the case. And with TMZ, I will say this. When you hear TMZ, you do think like, you know, it's just kind of sensationalized news stories. I will say this. It does seem like with TMZ, especially Harvey being a lawyer, they do vet their sources.

They do, they're very tapped in in Hollywood. And usually when they put something out, they get it right, especially when it's involving the media, the Hollywood, you know, elite, right? So when I saw that, I believed it and then come to find out, Nick has. hadn't been arrested yet, but to get to what you were talking about as far as how they came to this conclusion, I want to talk about what the process would be like in a case like this and then why they wait to put out what they have, why that's so important. Let's take a break. We'll come back. We'll talk about it. And then we're going to talk about the Brown University shooting. Okay, Derek, be honest. Do you actually know how many subscriptions you're paying for

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job and cancel your unwanted subscriptions and reach your financial goals faster with Rocket Money.com slash Crime Weekly. That's rocketmoney.com slash crime weekly. All right, we're back. And I just want to, I just want to elaborate on what I was saying earlier because I this pressure kind of frustrated me because you have these reporters and they're questioning this lead detective in a way where I totally understand transparency and accountability but the way this this reporter was talking to this detective it was like the reporter was the detective like questioning how to for him how to do his job in the legality of what they were doing and the funny thing is that reporter and I don't know who he was would be the first one

reporting an article if they had seized a piece of evidence that was incriminating, but they did it the wrong way, and now the person walks free. So this detective, without giving too much away, was just simply saying, hey, listen, they're standing in the house. And when I heard that word, when I heard that phrase, that told me that the son could be involved, because as you mentioned, he was living on the property. And that makes it complicated from an investigatory standpoint, right? If you have a victim in the house and the victim is the sole owner of that property. They're deceased. So you'd still want to get a search warrant to cover your bases, but it wouldn't be as needed because that person is no longer around. Their expectation of

privacy is somewhat diminished, although there's still something there. But if law enforcement goes in there and there's no sign of forced entry and they believe that whoever committed this crime may also be a resident of this property, that's a super difficult area because you're trying to preserve evidence, you're trying to gather information. You're trying to gather information. about the victims who live there, also knowing that in the back of your mind that the suspect may also have a right to that property. So imagine if the victims weren't there and you were going to the suspect's property, what would you need? A search warrant, right? You can't go in there and get evidence that's going to incriminate them without their consent or without the approval

from a judge. So I felt like this detective, if you were really listening, was saying exactly that where, yes, we understand. Everyone wants to know what happened to Robin as wife, but we have a responsibility to make sure that when this goes to court, it sticks. And so that key word, standing, you hear that, and then you hear about these latest developments with Nick, and it starts to make sense. So I think that this was a rare form of clarity and intelligence from the LAPD who, I'm sorry, everybody who knows me, if you've been watching me for a while, or if you're new here, I'll tell you, I'm not a big fan of the LAPD. I think they're corrupt and idiots, and they have dropped the ball many, many, many times on many cases,

but a rare form of clarity and intelligence for the LAPD because at this point, what you have is Rob and Michelle being dead, sadly. Now, we don't know what their will looks like. We don't know what their trust looks like. We don't know who they're leaving their home to. What if they're leaving their home to their children, all right, which includes Nick. So now it doesn't matter if Nick's living in that house and he's living in a guest house on the property, they're dead and they technically could have left their house to Nick.

And so now the police go in without a search warrant. And even if they can argue, well, like, the will hadn't been read yet and the deed of the house hadn't technically been transferred over, it still gives a defense lawyer a kind of a way to sort of get in and get things thrown out. Like, well, that house would have become Nick. So technically you should. So it's just very, very smart on their part here. Now, apparently, this is a very sad story because for anybody who has ever loved somebody or had someone very close to them who has struggled with addiction, you know that it is this never-ending battle at times where you just, you love this person, you want what's best for them, you do what you can for them. But at a certain point,

you really have to trust that they're going to do the rest and bring it their own. rest of the way. And it kind of looked like, I know that when Rob Reiner and Nick were filming becoming Charlie or being Charlie, Rob Reiner had said, this was very difficult to do this because it brought up a lot of stuff from the past that had happened. And when you love somebody and it's your family and they keep doing things to you that hurts you, you almost start to forget those things. Like your brain forgets them in order for you to continue living on with the person who has hurt you and betrayed you multiple times. And so when Rob and Nick were doing this film being Charlie, all the stuff that had happened

in the past came out because they had to put it in the script. And it was like, he was like, this is very, very difficult because it's like going through it all for the first time, he said, all these painful and difficult highs and lows. It was like I had to live through them all. And it was like it was the first time because, yes, your brain does protect you from these things. He said making the movie dredged it all up again. And Michelle has said in the past, both Rob and Michelle in the past have said, like, we didn't even know, you know, was this ever going to end? Like, was there an end in sight? Would this be, would we eventually be able to be a

happy family and normal and not have to deal with Nick's addiction and the things that were happening because of it? Or is it going to end tragically? Like, is he going to overdose? Is he going to go away on one of his benders and never come back? Is it going to end tragically? And it was almost like prophetic in that way where they were thinking, is it going to untragically as in our family will be broken. He could, you know, OD and be taken from us. I'm sure they never thought that it would happen this way. Now, I don't know exactly what kind of substances Nick Reiner was using. I don't even know if he was back on drugs that hasn't been stated, right?

I suspect that he is, right? because you do something like this, you wouldn't hope that there was something else behind it, fueling it, and it wasn't just, you know, Nick, sober as a judge, hurting his parents. But his mother, Michelle, did mention he had been acting kind of like crazy in the past few weeks that he seemed, she was really worried about his mental health, is this a mental health thing? Is it a substance abuse thing? Is it a combination of those things? It's just all very sad.

We don't know, and we don't know what the motive was. But I would expect the motive had something to do with whatever argument Rob and Nick had at Conan O'Brien's house Saturday night, that it at least started there or that was a culmination of it. So whatever they were arguing about, it's probably been a very tense situation between Nick and his parents. They have appeared to continue supporting him in whatever way they could. They have allowed him to live on their property in the guest house. And yeah, it's just it's very sad. Rob Reiner has directed some of my favorite films. stand by me, misery, amazing films that are going to, you know, be in the history and culture

of filmmaking forever. And it's just, it's very sad that this, I think when something like this happens in L.A., people get Charles Manson, like, reminiscent stuff. Like, that's why everybody was demanding the LAPD to give them answers, right? There could be somebody out there, like somebody's out there just going into people's homes, like rich people's homes and killing them. And there could be a murderer on the loose or a group of murderers on the loose who are targeting people. And I think that the police pretty much knew from pretty early on in this case that that wasn't what was happening. And they told people, you know, there's no need to be afraid. The threat is gone. There's not some Charles Manson-esque cult out there going into the people of Hollywood's homes and killing

them. This is just a sad family dynamic that did not end well, ended in probably the worst way it possibly could. He's not only our Robin Michelle dead and Nick's probably going to be in prison, but the daughter, Nick's sister, Robin Michelle's daughter, had to not only find her parents like this, but now she lost almost her entire family in one day. Yeah, it just goes to show you that these actors and actresses, they're just like you and I, and they have the same type of complications and problems and family dynamics and those complexities that we all have to deal with on a daily basis and I'll be interested to see how this all plays out because just on the surface and we've seen it in other cases, not as high profile as this, but in some circumstances, especially

when both Rob and Michelle were killed, you have to wonder if they came to Nick at some point if he is responsible and said, hey, if you're going to continue to do what you're doing, you have to get out. You can't stay here any longer. And maybe in that moment, Nick felt like the only way he could hold on to the house and any other financial resources. he had was to try and make it look like a robbery gone wrong or something. And again, I'm totally speculating here. All these facts will come to the surface. I'm really thinking about Rob and Michelle's family right now, specifically Romi, because Romi is apparently the one that found them. And I can't imagine what that's like. I don't ever want to know what that's like. I've walked into many households

with a deceased person there. And it's traumatic when I don't even know the person on that level. But to To go through that, that's something that she has to live with for the rest of her life. I'm also thinking about their daughter Tracy. I believe they have also a son named Jake. So a lot of people affected by this, the entire community, and whatever updates come from this, we'll be sure to let you guys know, especially if it's a major update because although right now, it looks like they have the person in custody responsible, we're going to talk about the Brown University shooting.

And if that has taught us anything, it's not always how it appears to be. And sometimes people get ahead of their skis. And now the Brown University case is an absolute nightmare. We're going to talk about it right after this break. You know, there's a lot of moments in life where you realize, okay, I probably could have used therapy back then. You know, burnout, anxiety, grief. These moments really pile up fast. I deal with burnout especially a lot.

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The Brown University is about 10 minutes from my home. My dad has worked at Brown University for the last 33 years. And his building where he works at the Bowdo Med Center is just a hop, skip, and a jump away from the Boris and Holly building. So this area, as soon as I started seeing the photos and video, I knew exactly where it was. And it's crazy because at this point with my background, I know it can happen anywhere, but still when you see it like this, it just adds a different layer to it. And I wish I could sit here and tell you that this case has been solved. We have the guy in custody and nobody needs to be worried, but that's not the case. So to give a little backstory before we get into where we are right now, which is a complete shit show, for anybody who doesn't know on December.

13th this year, there was a mass shooting at the Boris and Holly building, which is an engineering and physics building located at Brown University, and it's on Hope Street. And from what we've gathered, and again, it's still a little gray. There was a study group going on there, something like that, a small classroom, and the gunman came in. He killed two people and wounded nine other people. That's what we know so far. And the victims, one is 19-year-old Ella Cook. She's from Alabama. the other victim is a freshman. Ella was a sophomore. The other victim is a freshman.

I'm going to try to pronounce his name, and I apologize if I don't get this correctly. Mukamed Aziz, Mirzikoff. And again, I apologize if I'm not there. We know that these are the two victims that died because there's already, there's a service being held for one and a GoFund me being raised for the other.

So two people tragically lost another nine at the hospital, but from what I've learned, they're in stable condition. It doesn't look like they're going to, there's going to be anything worse from that. They're going to recover from those injuries. Here's where it gets interesting.

When this all happened, I started doing the reels, TikToks, putting out information because the suspect was not found at the scene. Okay? And shortly after that, law enforcement did a press conference and they put out this video. And you see a man, I'll have the video up here, you see a man walking down Hope Street, right? And then he takes a right onto Waterman Street. I know

exactly where it is. A lot of commercial buildings. a lot of residential buildings over there. It's a really nice neighborhood. And I thought to myself, oh, he's done. He's done. There's no way he's getting away with it. Brown University has like 800 cameras. These rich houses where there's, they're big houses over there.

They're going to have cameras everywhere. This dude is toast. Nothing. Then we get information that sometime overnight, the person in this video was found at a Hampton Inn, in Coventry, which is about 20, 25 minutes from Brown University. And allegedly, the FBI goes there with Coventry PD. They find the guy on the first floor hotel room, and there's two guns recovered.

Again, this is all alleged. The guns were a Glock and a revolver. And they were very careful during these press conferences because they kept saying a person of interest being detained. Person of interest being detained. And as that's going on, media outlets are starting to go to their sources and they're figuring out who this person is that's being detained.

Naming him. Naming him. Putting his picture up. LinkedIn. Talking about his background. Military service, his political views. They've already convicted him. And to be fair, I had reached out to Stephanie because I was about to put out an update video.

I was getting her opinion on it. And I was going to say his name as, I actually wasn't going to say his name. I chose not to say his name, but not for the reasons, not for legality reasons, but because I didn't want to give him any more coverage if he was responsible because that's what these guys want. And right when I was putting it up, a press release breaks, right? Then there's a news conference.

And during that news conference, they say that based on what they've gathered, they're now letting this guy go. And Stephanie, and I put out this TikTok reel, whatever you want, I put him on everything. There's no way

if they thought this guy was somehow responsible they would be letting him go. They would find a way to hold him for extra hours, whatever they had to do. The fact that they're letting him go. They find some like unpaid parking ticket. Something.

Yeah. The fact that they're letting him go, it's highly likely he had nothing to do with this crime. But now, as you said, even though apparently he's got guns in his hotel room. Who even knows if that's true now? Right. Because none of this came, in fairness to them,

none of this came from law enforcement. This was from the media reporting on their, law enforcement sources. But now it's just a nightmare. Why? Because the shelter in place for all of Brown and the surrounding area was lifted after this guy was brought off the streets. And Rhode Island's a small state. Like I said, I'm not in Providence, but I'm very close by. I mean, you can get from one end of Rhode Island to the other in 45 minutes. So this guy has now been on the loose for a day and a half, almost two days. He could be anywhere. He could be in Florida by now. So it's scary to think that someone capable of this is out there somewhere right now. And we have no clue

who he is or where he is. And that's concerning. And honestly, it's it's questionable of why he hasn't been caught. Like, why don't have more stuff? Because like you said, Brown University has tons of cameras all over. They said 8,000. 8,000 cameras. And I understand why, because let's also be honest about this location, because I've been to this location, because I visited you in Rhode Island a few times. We had the Traders premiere too. Yep. And it's not the safest area. It's not. The area where I had you is not the best. That's downtown Providence. I went to the Brown University area one trip to Rhode Island because I wanted to check it out because it's like it's a big, it's a big university. They talk about it and gossip girl. I'm going to be honest. It was the gossip girl reference that made me want to see it when I was in Rhode Island. I'm like, I'm going to go to Brown University. If it's good enough for Serena, it's good enough for me to check out. Right. And it was not, I did not feel safe. walking around that area, totally. So they got a lot of cameras for reasons. You've got college students to protect. It's a university that's in the middle of a pretty major city where you do have some crime and drugs and things like that happening. Why do we not have footage of this person

entering the building that they went into? Why do we not have footage of them leaving? Now, as of 21 minutes ago, the Providence Police Department released a new video of a person of interest. And it's basically just what appears to be, I would say a man, but it's such a random video. It's someone wearing dark clothing walking on a side rock around 406 p.m. And the person's face is invisible. And that's it. So they're saying, hey, if you recognize this individual, contact our tip center online, FBI.gov slash Brown University shooting or call 401-272-3-1-212.

Who is going to recognize this person? It's a person dressed in black clothing with their head down and their face not visible walking across the street. It really doesn't look like anything. Like this is as nondescript as nondescript as it gets. So if this is the best video footage they have of the possible suspect, we're screwed at this point. And I don't understand how you don't have something better of this person entering or was the

person already in the building, which at that point, if they were already in the building, are they a student? Yeah. You know, did they come in and change clothes? And then so they were already a student or I don't know. But so it's really difficult to understand how on a university campus with 800 cameras, this is the best video footage you have. Or is it just the best video footage they're showing us? But if that's the case, why?

If you have something better that shows more detail and the ability to actually see who this person is, then show that. What are we doing here? Listen, first off, anybody in that area, if you have cameras, please check them now and try to see if you can see this person. That's what they've, so I think this is where they got this from because an hour ago, it says Providence Police hunting for video footage from home and businesses. That's what the mayor said. So I believe that this video footage they now gave us about 21 minutes ago is from their search from additional surveillance cameras, not on university. I agree. There's no doubt. And that's why I said in the TikTok, please, if you're in that area, go look at your cameras, especially now that you have a possible suspect. Don't assume that if your house is important to the investigation, they're going to come to you. Because if there's anything that we've taught you over the last five years of doing this, they may miss you. They may not go to you. They may drop the ball as far as what houses they should be visiting because you have a lot of cooks in the kitchen right now between federal. agencies, state agencies, and local agencies, and sometimes that can cause a complete collapse

in communication, which doesn't allow for the best investigation possible. So, as a community, I'm asking all of you to check your cameras, even if you're kind of off the path of where this occurred, and see if you have anything that shows this individual on camera or anybody else, for that matter, who looks suspicious. And if you have that, don't wait for them to come to you. don't assume it's not useful and that if they needed it, they would have already called you. Do the right thing, document it, record it, screen grab it, save it, call Providence Police, call state police, let them know what you have and let them decide whether it's important or not. Now, you brought up something a couple minutes ago, and I'm going back and forth on this in my own mind.

When they originally started talking about the guy they had in custody, and I'm not going to talk too much about him here, he's already been talked about enough. but he's not necessarily from the community. He's not a student at the school. It was kind of odd, right? The Boris and Holly building, for anybody who's not from this area, it's a big building,

but there's a lot of buildings at Brown. To me, it seems awful specific. And there's a lot of buildings you could choose from it. They have the gym there. I play basketball there all the time where there's probably 40 to 140 people, students there at all times. In the gym, there's a basketball course,

court. There's like a track in there as well. Super nice. And there's a lot of people in there at all times. And I would think that that would be a building you would target. The fact that this person got into this building and got out and there were no cameras inside that clearly captured this person, it makes me believe, and I could be completely wrong, that this person had some knowledge of this building. And maybe there was some counterintelligence done before. to know I could go into this building and get in and get out without being seen on camera. Without trying to expose security too much, there is a general code for a lot of the buildings that many people have access to.

But either way, if he had to use a code to get in, then we know it's someone affiliated with the school. Or someone like you who knows somebody affiliated with the school. Also possible. But I don't think it's someone from a random part of the country who's just coming here and choosing the Boris and Holly building to shoot it up. there seems to be something more deliberate here why that building why that classroom why on a saturday when you have to assume there's not going to be as many people there so there's a lot in

question here but my first guess would have been that this was either a student or an employee or someone who had an axe to grind specifically with brown university and had some level of knowledge about that specific building and that particular area because they were able to get in get out without really being captured on camera by anyone, it could be complete luck, but it also could be because there was a previous knowledge about that area. I completely agree, and I'm sure they're already doing this, but if I'm the police, I'm looking through the records. Has a student been suspended or removed from the school recently?

Has an employee been fired or removed from the school recently? And that employee was maybe not the most stable person, was maybe sending angry emails before or after they were removed, maybe had issues. things like that, like anybody who showed kind of a mental instability that I think you need to do something like this, to be honest. So there has to be some sort of motive. Why would you randomly just stroll in there and do this and this building in this area if you don't have some connection or some motive? So I definitely think that they should be looking into that. Agreed. Yeah, Boris and Holly building, familiar with it, but like it's not the main building.

Like I said, it's an engineering and physics building. Small classroom there on a Saturday. this is the area they choose to target. They could have gone to Thayer Street, which Thayer Street is the main road that's associated with Brown University, hundreds, if not thousands of people on that street at all times, although it was cold.

That could have had something to do with it as well as far as maybe why they chose an inside location. I don't know. But real quickly, I want to play this video in its entirety. I have it up here. It's only 19 seconds.

We're going to go through it. This does look like what Stephanie's saying where it's from a commercial building or something, but it's playing right. now it's zooming in across the street you can see a silhouette it's a very dark shadow of this person and they're walking down the sidewalk it appears they're in completely black clothing and that's all you really see in that video it's it's not a lot and that person in the video there you can't really

see much i don't know how we're supposed to identify someone from that video here's what i'll say if you're from this area meaning rhode island and you have someone who has been acting strange, maybe owns similar clothing, and disappeared for a portion of that day, December 13th, and there's something in your gut that tells you they may have something to do with this, report it to authorities. Because honestly, guys, as much as I'd like to say that law enforcement is going to be able to solve this one, I think it's going to be on us. We're going to have to bring this person forward, and it's going to take someone with information that gets them on the right track, they're going to need a lead because if they knew who this person was,

they would already be in custody. So clearly they don't. And so I'm hoping that anybody listening or watching this audio podcast or video, if you're from the area and something tells you that someone you're connected to may have something to do with this, please report it because that might be our best chance at solving it. It's very sad. You know, I'm sick of hearing about these things and these shootings and having, you know, if I was a parent of a Brown University student right now, I'm going to tell you I would not be sending my child back to that school until they have figured this out. Because for them to take away the shelter and place order when they had somebody in custody before they were insured that the person in custody was the person responsible, is

irresponsible. And as a parent, I don't want my student to go there because at this point, not only do we not know who it was, but we don't know why they did it. So their reason for doing it could have something to do with Brown University, and now that they're still on the loose, and they may have thought, hey, going in, I'm probably going to get caught here. I don't care. This is what I want to do, and I'm going to do it. They could still be on the loose, and they could try to go back and do it again because they kind of thought they were going to get caught anyway. So as a parent, if my kid's going to Brown University, no, they're not, not until they figure this out.

End of story. So this is just very sad, and parents have to do what they can to protect their kids. These students have to do what they can to protect themselves, and the fact that it's, It's interfering with our education that they pay a pretty penny for and that they worked very hard to get into this university for. It's just absolutely disappointing. And if they don't have surveillance, when this is a university that should be protected by surveillance, yeah, you should have cameras in every hallway, in every room, at every door, et cetera. And the fact that you don't, once again, is irresponsible. Where's all that tuition money going to?

Couldn't agree more. Couldn't agree more. And also just quickly, we're not minimizing this at all. We were trying to cover the two stories that were here locally in the United States, but we're also thinking about everybody over in Australia. There was the Bondi Beach incident where, at least as far as I know, 15 people have been killed. They were targeted by two gunmen. There's a lot of video out there about it. It's absolutely horrible. Just, it's scary times. And we're thinking of everybody involved in all of these cases. And if there's any major updates, we will be covering it. Until then, Everyone stay safe out there. We'll see you later this week for part two of Chad Ensel.

I'm a good night, guys. Bye.