Crime Weekly - S3 Ep371: 100+ Human Remains Found in Pennsylvania Home
Episode Date: January 14, 2026Authorities in Pennsylvania have arrested 34-year-old Jonathan Gerlach after an investigation into grave robberies led to the recovery of more than 100 human skeletal remains, including skulls, mummi...fied parts, and decomposing torsos. Gerlach faces hundreds of charges ranging from abuse of a corpse, theft, burglary and desecration.Try our coffee! - www.CriminalCoffeeCo.comBecome a Patreon member -- > https://www.patreon.com/CrimeWeeklyShop for your Crime Weekly gear here --> https://crimeweeklypodcast.com/shopYoutube: https://www.youtube.com/c/CrimeWeeklyPodcastWebsite: CrimeWeeklyPodcast.comInstagram: @CrimeWeeklyPodTwitter: @CrimeWeeklyPodFacebook: @CrimeWeeklyPodADS:1. https://www.WildGrain.com/CrimeWeekly - Use code CRIMEWEEKLY to get $30 off your first box and FREE croissants for LIFE!2. https://www.GrowTherapy.com/CrimeWeekly - Get started on your therapy journey with Grow Therapy today!
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Hey everyone.
Welcome back to Crime Weekly News.
I'm Derek Lavasser.
And I'm Stephanie Harlow.
And before we dive into this week's episode, just a quick shout out to my brother, Matt, who is being promoted to lieutenant today for his fire department.
I'm not going to say what fire department, but shout out to my brother.
Proud of him.
Congratulations, Matt.
Shout out, Matt.
Good job, buddy.
Keep it up.
Do the work that I'm just talking about now.
I feel so.
When he gets promoted like that, I'm like, man, where would I be right now?
Where would you be right now?
Yeah, like what rank would I be at, you know?
Oh, if he was stayed on the force?
Mm-hmm.
It does make me wonder.
I mean, me and my brother have always competed.
So he has now officially gotten higher ranking than me because I retired as a sergeant.
Are you rethinking our life together and you'd take in a different back?
No, I think about my salary that I was getting as a police officer.
No, hard no.
Oh, sad.
No, I'm good.
Shout out, Matt.
I'm thinking about you from here, buddy, from the distance.
He's saying you may be more broke than him, but you have a higher rank.
Yes.
Yes, yes, exactly. You're doing, you're doing well, I'm proud of you. Okay, so we're going to talk about something today that's different than anything we've ever talked about before. And when we were getting ready to record, Stephanie was like, there's a market for this. So we're going to discuss it because there definitely is clearly by this guy's action. So for anybody who does not know, 34-year-old Jonathan Gerlach of Efford of Pennsylvania is alleged to have systematically broken into mausoleums and underground burial vaults and historic
Cemetery's most notably Mount Moriah Cemetery over the course of several months,
removing human remains, including skulls, long bones, mummified parts, and entire skeletons.
He is now facing hundreds of criminal charges related to grave robbing, abusive corpses, theft, desecration, and related offenses.
And this is something that's horrific on multiple fronts.
First thing you think about is that these are real people.
Yeah.
These are real people that he's digging up.
And you think about all their loved ones out there who are now finding.
out that someone who is very important to them that just wasn't a skeleton has now been
disrespected in this manner. And God knows what has been done to their skeletal remains after
the fact. Well, so that's kind of where I was, I was kind of thinking of it. When this,
the news first broke, they didn't say what his motive was. They were just like, hey, this guy's
got like a hundred corpses in his house. And I was thinking, is this some weird sex thing? Right?
Because whenever you hear something, whenever you hear something like this, you did it.
Nope.
So what's wrong with me?
Because I think they're skeletal remains, so I think sexual and nature is less likely.
And I'm not trying to be too graphic here.
But it would be something weird.
Something that's like, this guy is not normal.
And now you come to find, well, he's selling them online.
And then, you know, at least you're like, oh, few, it's not something, some weird sex thing.
But there's a market for selling human remains and skeletal remains online.
And like, like you had mentioned in the intro, this is.
It seems he kind of focused on historical cemeteries.
So maybe even these people don't have relatives living still.
Who knows?
But there must be come to find out because we got documents released.
There is a market for this online, I guess.
I don't really exactly know why.
And hopefully.
Without a doubt.
Yeah.
Hopefully you can shine some light on that.
Big money too, by the way.
Hasey.
Big money.
So we'll go through it.
And then we can talk about that a little bit because I am very curious.
So according to the court documents and police,
Gerlock's grave thefts at Mount Moriah Cemetery and other local cemeteries.
They began around early November.
He was targeting mausoleums and underground vaults.
He was actually like propelling himself into these vaults with like ropes and carabiners
and very elaborate sort of get-ups here to get into these vaults and mausoleums.
A tip to the Lancaster City Police Crime Watch page actually connected Jonathan Garlock
to a Luzerne County mausoleum theft.
Reportedly someone saw a partially decomposed corpse hanging in his basement during that period.
So it wasn't the person who called in the tip.
It was somebody else.
And this tip came in on December 23rd.
But the tipster said that the person that they knew saw the skeleton hanging in Girlock's basement
around the same time that the Luzerne County mausoleum was robbed in November.
And that Jonathan Gurlach had also been charged with retail theft.
around this time in East Earl Township, and the stolen items from these retail thefts,
which ended up being a local hardware store, include things like a headlamp, gloves,
a metal cutting wheel.
So, yeah, stuff I guess you would need if you were a grave robber.
And if Jonathan Gerlach is making all this money selling human remains online, I'm not sure
why he needs to steal these things, but maybe he wanted to steal them.
So it wasn't as obvious that he had purchased them and it wouldn't be connected.
Maybe it was more of a, I don't want to be connected to these items if I'm caught less than I can't afford these items.
Now that Tip also directed law enforcement to Jonathan Girlock's Instagram account.
And they found that he followed other accounts, which had a lot to do with taxidermy, skeleton collecting, sales of skeletons and other oddities.
And apparently Jonathan Gerlach had disappeared for a few days in November.
And the tipster said that they believed he'd been in Chicago selling a human skull.
And then law enforcement found a Facebook group called Human Bones and Skull selling group
where someone thanked Jonathan Gerlock for a human skin bag.
So it's like a picture of this person holding a skull.
And they're like, thank you so much, Jonathan Gerlock, because in this human skin bag that you sold me,
this amazing skull was in there.
And I'm like, what the hell is a human skin bag?
And then law enforcement also found that Jonathan Gerlock's cash app profile picture was
someone holding what appeared to be a human skull. So it just, it gets worse and worse. It's very,
very strange. They actually went and they sort of connected Jonathan Gerlock because they were going
through the late November and December patterns of broken in mausoleums, disturbed vaults, remains
missing. And they started tracking license plates, cell phone data and surveillance to identify the thief.
And then on January 6, 2026, Jonathan Gerlach was arrested.
at Mount Mirage Cemetery after investigators spotted him with a burlap sack filled with mummified remains of human bones and also the human bones of small children.
So that was kind of a big thing when this press conference broke.
The police officer who was talking, he was like, this is going to be really hard because some of these human remains did belong to children.
So then on the 7th of January, authorities executed a search warrant at Gerlach's home.
they found 100 plus sets of human remains.
And they also interviewed his fiancé.
And then she told them about his storage unit.
And he wouldn't let them search the storage unit.
So at first they were like, hey, we heard you have a storage unit.
And can we search there?
He would not give them consent to search there.
He said, hey, there's nothing that you would care about in there.
I just have personal items.
He's like, I know you all already found a bunch of stuff in my home,
but I'm going to need you to trust me that there are no human remains in the storage unit.
It's just personal items.
Just some blankets and some fold up chairs.
Nothing crazy.
So obviously they had to, you know, do some things to be able to search there.
Let me guess.
It wasn't just blankets and fold up chairs.
It wasn't just personal.
I mean, unless human remains count as personal items.
Oh, okay.
But they basically, I don't know if they could get a warrant just on their suspicion that there was stuff in there.
So they actually sent a cadaver dog to the store.
unit. The dog then indicated there was the smell of human remains. Then they got the search warrant.
They executed it on January 8th. And from that locker, detectives retrieved eight,
eight human corpses plus miscellaneous body parts, ashes, and older jewelry believed to have been
removed from graves. So basically the things these corpses had with them, their personal items,
he was taking those things as well. And by the way, real quickly, you would easily be able to get a
search warrant without the cadaver dog hit.
It does help. It just strengthens the search warrant.
Yeah.
But yeah, I mean, but just having everything you found in his home, if that storage unit is
rented to him, you have probable cause and then some at that point to go to a judge and say,
hey, listen, we found all of this in his home.
This is a storage unit belonging to him.
We have reason to believe that he's storing these items everywhere.
And no judge is not going to sign off on that.
Especially with, yeah, especially after everything they found in his home.
It's game over.
It's game over.
With a cadaver dog, it's just like a home run.
Now, if you look at a picture of Jonathan Gerlock, I'm not trying to profile anyone here,
but he looks like the kind of guy who would be robbing graves
and carabining down into these mausoleums.
You know, he gives me the look of somebody who was like,
you know, I really wanted to be in a heavy metal rock band and be famous,
but that didn't work out.
So I'm going to steal human body parts out of graves and sell them online.
be mad at me if you want. But as soon as I saw his picture, I was like, yeah, actually,
that checks out. You know, he doesn't look like a tax accountant. He looks like somebody who might
have been like, you know, willing to do stuff. Apparently, there was a lot of stuff going on at
his house. Like, it's not just human body parts sort of just hidden or scattered randomly.
They were found in various states. Some of them were hanging. Some of them were pieced together.
He had shelves with just skulls on them.
It looked maybe like it was sort of his storage area, right?
If he's selling these things online, he's got his basement where he's arranging and organizing everything and probably taking pictures and posting on these Facebook groups where it's absolutely insane that Facebook has such crazy policies for like true crime and stuff, right, to the point where you can't even really say murdered.
on Facebook and other platforms like that.
But groups that are focused on selling human body parts,
totally okay for Facebook.
Totally okay.
That's a different story.
That's not true crime.
It's Facebook pages that are focused on selling human body parts.
Absolutely fine.
I don't know how that ended up being a thing that was allowed.
But yeah, it's pretty crazy.
At this point, we know that he's been charged with 100 counts each of abuse
of a corpse receiving stolen property along with multiple counts of desecrating a public monument,
desecrating a venerated object, desecrating a historical burial place, burglary, trespassing theft.
He's jailed on a $1 million bond.
We don't really know if he's got a lawyer right now because no lawyer was listed in court
records, but I'm not sure.
I'm a public defender regardless.
What is he going to do, like plead not guilty?
I don't know what's, I don't know what his plan is here.
At this point, it's kind of just like, okay, what's my punishment?
you caught me literally red-handed.
You caught me at the cemetery.
I got human remains in my house.
I got my storage unit.
Apparently, when they arrested him and went back to his car,
there was some human remains in there.
I don't know.
Let's talk about what could possibly be in store for Jonathan Garlock and why he would even
think that robbing these graves and stealing these human remains would be profitable
for him because, like Derek said, there's a market for this.
I'm not aware of it.
But let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.
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aware there's a market for this. And I don't know how big of a market it is. It's a niche
market. I don't think there's any way around that. But there's definitely some money associated
with it. I mean, in first, I don't want to demonize this practice. Yeah, it's a thing. And this guy
was obviously doing it the wrong way. But yes, there is a market for skeletal remains. It doesn't
even necessarily have to be human remains. A lot of its animal remains. I was just looking up a
website, Skulls Unlimited, where you can go on there and you can purchase, from what I can see,
mostly animal skulls. There's not really a lot of human skeletal remains, although I do see. Sculls Unlimited.
Skulls Unlimited, yeah. Skulls Unlimited. And you can search replica or real skulls. And just on their
main page here, I'm seeing that they have a real research quality human foot that's available as well.
Let me check the price for it real quick.
The price for this bad boy.
There's no price.
It's a quote.
You got to, you got to inquire to find out.
But I was also looking up an article from the economist from 2023.
And their quotes about human remain prices are $640 for a head, roughly $430 for an arm.
And for a torso, for a torso, it's approximately $2,000.
while a hand would be around $300.
Plus, if you want a full leg with the foot, that would be $1,600.
So.
Yeah, I found some, I found some similar numbers.
Individual bones, 50 to 300.
Skulls.
1,000 to 5,000 plus.
Complete skeletons.
5,000 to 15,000.
And then infant or child remains often go for much higher prices, which is, that's especially.
So, like, I know you're like, I don't want to judge people that do this, but like, infant
bones or skeletons, what kind of collection do you have that that would be like something you'd
spend a whole lot of money on? What kind of life are you living here? You know, just to put it back
on me, I like to collect firearms. And some people would say that's ridiculous. You know, I don't
shoot a ton anymore, but I like to collect firearms. So I'm not going to judge people. So there are people
out there doing it for the, you know, for their own passions and their own reasons. And we may not
necessarily agree with it. But I think the problem is not the collection of the bones. It's how they're
obtained, right? If you're on the black market buying these things from people who like this guy
are doing this, that's a problem. But if you're curating them through, you know, ethical sources,
I can't judge you too much. I can't, I can't judge you. It's not my thing. I mean, I'm not just not,
I'm just not sure what kind of how many ethical avenues there would be for such a thing, right? Because
these are human remains. Well, there's usually a story with it. That's part of the thing.
I get it. But even if there's a story associated with how they obtain those bones.
So from what I've seen, yes, a lot of people do this for like historical reasons.
And like I get that.
You know, I have a lobotomy set that was used in a real morgue in New York City back in the day.
I don't think it's weird.
It would be weird if I had the skull that went along with the lobotomy.
I like to collect historical things.
I have love letters that were sent during like World War II that I pick up and I do, you know, eBay bids and stuff for these things.
I also have a key from the Chicago World's Fair that I'm very proud of.
But anyway, I would never feel comfortable having somebody's human remains in my presence
because I'm a little bit like superstitious in that way where I'm like, this person should be laid to rest.
Is there their ghost?
And you should understand that too because you're afraid of ghosts.
Is their ghost or their spirit attached to this?
And I'm part of what disturbed their peace.
And now they're going to haunt me.
And it's like, yeah, okay, sometimes you'll get stuff like this, like human bones from, I guess, legitimate reasons.
Like, you know.
Skull's unlimited.
Yes, skulls unlimited, things like that.
And like I said, this guy was apparently kind of a part of like social media groups from what I can tell these social media platforms.
They're these private groups on Facebook.
They've been a major hub.
I looked it up.
So these groups are usually invite only.
They use very coded language.
They trade bones via private messages after the posts are made.
They're frequently shut down and then recreated under new names.
But I mean, this person who kind of pointed everybody to Jonathan Garlach by posting it and saying,
thanks so much for this human flesh bag where I found this great skull, that didn't seem to be a very private message.
So maybe they're getting a little bit brazen, I guess, lax and brazen because law and
enforcement has repeatedly found grave robbers and traffickers communicating this way, and they're not
getting their inventory in a legitimate way. And I guess, like, yeah, now that I'm looking into it,
people collect these things for, like, Victorian death aesthetics. I get it. And what we also have
to understand is I believe that Jonathan Garluck was specifically going to Mount Moriah Cemetery
and cemeteries like it because they're historical cemeteries. There's a story behind it. He's
documenting what it says on the grave.
Yeah, Mount Moriah has been, it was established in 1855.
So yeah, you're going to, if you're kind of in that market and people want bones from the 1800s, this is where you would go.
And I want to make sure for anybody who's not picking up on this, but I hope everybody is.
We're making a clear distinction between deciding to collect these bones.
Like obviously Stephanie's a little weirded out by it.
I'm kind of a different.
We're not talking about that here with Gerlach.
Gerlach was stealing these bones from places that he did not have the right to be.
There's a very big distinction there.
And if you brought them from him knowing he had robbed a grave to get it, then I do have a problem.
I agree.
Wholeheartedly, I agree.
But we're not, I just want to make sure that we're being clear there where we're not, we're not crossing over the two things.
We're not condemning people who do it.
But, you know, I guess if your bones were gotten in an okay manner.
the family was okay with it or or you maybe it just was a collection from a museum that you
happened to bid on and you don't know where they came from sometimes labs do it as well like
I just want to make sure we're not conflating the two but yeah sometimes you can actually
obtain a skeletal remain from a lab or research facility after the they're no longer using it I don't
know how that process works but but I'm still weirded out by it yeah I mean listen there's a lot
of things that I'm weirded out by that people do and that I that I judge them for and
I'm sure they're judging me for other things.
There's probably people who are judging us because we're out here every week on these podcasts,
exposing ourselves to people who hate us.
You know,
like,
and they want to say bad things about it.
I mean,
it's tweets their own,
right?
But like this right here,
because there's a market for it,
that's why this guy's doing it,
right?
He knows the money he can make.
And if we just do a quick math on it,
he's got over 100,
you said,
skeletal remains?
Yeah,
over 100, yeah.
Over 100 at,
let's just call it $1,000 a pop right there.
You know,
he's looking at $100 grand.
I mean, he's got full skeletons, so apparently you can get $10,000 to $15,000 for that.
Yes.
Yes, especially if it's an older historic set of remains that has some significance to it.
Yeah, no, it's crazy.
I think I read that he had gone into a grave of somebody who died in like 1940s.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think he probably is definitely looking for specific time periods where he's going to.
But yeah, let's go to a break really quick.
And I want to come back and talk about what kind of.
time he might be looking at what kind of punishment he might be looking at.
I'm not sure.
Forever.
I'm not, yeah, I'm not sure if he wants to, I'm not sure if he's going to want to take it to
trial, but let's talk about that.
We'll be right back.
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I don't know, is he going to plead guilty? Is he going to plead guilty? He's going to plead not guilty?
He'll plead not guilty at the arraignment for sure. You think? Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Everybody does.
And you should. You should. You should always plead not guilty at first. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think that
his punishment will be pretty severe simply based on the volume of charges, the volume of human
remains he had rather than, you know, this was just a one-off kind of thing.
Yep.
We've got these kinds of charges.
They're going to be charged per victim or per set of human remains.
So under Pennsylvania law, abuse of a corpse, typically a felony, up to seven years per count.
Yeah, yeah.
He's in trouble.
A desecration of a burial place, often a felony.
up to seven years per count, burglary felony up to 10 years per count, theft receiving stolen property,
felony, misdemeanor depending on the value, ranges from one to seven years per count. Now we've got
Jonathan Gerlach, he's reportedly facing hundreds of counts tied to multiple graves, multiple remains,
multiple incidents, multiple locations. And even if some of these charges are merged or some
are dismissed or they have some running concurrently, prosecutors can still argue four consecutive
sentencing on these key counts.
I think you have to.
Yeah.
I mean, it's not all one bulk thing.
Will he get some type of deal where they're going to combine some of it?
Of course.
Yeah.
Especially if he gives up names of other people in the industry and he can bring people down.
I think he's looking probably just guessing, probably looking at 30 years somewhere around
there.
I don't think he'll do life in prison for this, but it's possible.
It all depends on the judge.
People are not happy.
I guess this Mount Moriah Cemetery is very important to people around here.
How terrible this really is.
He didn't kill these people, but he's.
disrespecting every single one of them in death.
Yeah.
Every single one of them.
And so how do you go back and go, well, they weren't alive anymore, so it's not as severe?
No, it's pretty significant because you said, you know, some of these bodies are pretty old.
And so they may not have any immediate living relatives, but they probably have some distant
relatives who may go there to visit their aunt or uncle or mother or father or, you know,
grandmother, whatever it might be.
I don't know.
But can you imagine, right, for a second, that you have a loved one,
buried at one of these cemeteries,
even if it wasn't someone you were directly connected to.
Let's say it's a great-grandfather,
but your mother would always go there and visit that grave,
and that was like a thing for her.
And now you learn that your great-grandfather was dug up,
split into different pieces,
and sent out throughout the entire world for profit.
I mean, I did see-
What are you going to be looking for?
I saw in one of the articles that a woman said,
my mother's buried in the cemetery.
Like, it could have been her.
I'm not okay with this.
So, yeah, I do think people are kind of,
of up in arms.
I will say, yeah, do you think, are there going to be people out there that are like,
oh, come on, all he did was steal some skeletons.
30 years or more than that is crazy.
Like, killers don't get 30 years sometimes.
Well, you know the answer to that question.
Yeah.
Yes, you think there will be people.
Of course.
We live in the most polarized society where no matter what, you can, I don't care
what the crime is.
Somebody will find a reason why maybe it shouldn't be as bad.
Remember I did that social media post where people,
there was one particular person who was mad because we were belittling BTK.
Oh, yeah.
Right.
Like that's the world we lived in.
We were too mean to a serial killer.
I think the majority of people I'd like to believe will say, yeah, no, this guy was the
worst of the worst in many ways.
And although he wasn't a serial killer, he was desecrating and disrespecting every single
grave site and family member associated with that, with that deceit.
So it's a significant crime.
And especially when you consider the motive, financial and nature, right?
It's, that almost to me makes it worse.
I agree.
Yeah.
Because you can't say you had a mental illness.
You can't say like, oh, I was just really curious and I have this love of history and
I wanted this stuff for myself.
I think people would even look at that a little more forgivingly than you're doing it
specifically to sell and make money.
Buddy, rob a jewelry store.
And I'm not, I'm not promoting that either.
But you don't I mean?
Like, you know, there's other ways.
There's other ways if you're going to be a criminal.
And there's a lot of thought that goes.
into this. The fact that he did this for so long and was able to get away with it this many times
in a public area like this. Yeah. And this idiot leaves his can, his energy drink at one of the
graves he ride. He, and there was like cigarettes all over, you know, so you're not just disrespecting
these, these people and these burial sites by going into them. You're like leaving your trash all over
with your DNA on it. You don't freaking care. Needless to say, if he gets out within his lifetime,
he's probably not going to...
He's going to be close to his own grave.
Yeah, he's not going to be living back here in Lancaster County because I don't think they want him.
No, no, he's going to be old when he gets out.
My guess, without having any other information, no insight, 25, 30 years.
You know, that'll be the deal where it doesn't go to trial.
You know, they're going to go for 50.
He'll settle for 25, 30.
And he's going to spend the majority of the remaining part of his life in prison, which, for what?
For money?
Yeah.
Was it worth it?
No, in the weirdest way.
Yeah.
You said he had a girlfriend.
He has a house.
Your fiance, do you think she knew what he was doing?
100%.
I mean, does she live with him?
You'd think she lived with him?
Does she not know what's happening?
Yeah, I would love to know more about that connection and what she was aware of and whether
or not she was helping to facilitate some of this.
That is going to be a question.
I'm sure law enforcement will be asking because if she's a co-conspirator, she could
potentially be charged as well.
If she knew it was happening and she didn't help, could she still be considered a co-conspirator by just staying quiet?
No.
No.
No.
No.
If just being ignorant to it is not a criminal act.
Like, you're not participating.
Well, you're not ignorant to it.
If you see human bones hanging around the basement.
Well, I wonder, when I say ignorant, I mean in the sense of like, is he describing what he's doing to you in detail?
Or is he just saying, yeah, I'm getting these from different places.
And there's no way you wouldn't know that.
Yeah, maybe he's telling her he's buying them.
Yeah, he's buying him, but he's coming home covered in dirt.
You know, you're, that's ignorance, right?
And he's out late all night.
Like, yeah.
Yeah.
You're trying to, you know, pretend like you don't know what's going on, but that's not
going to, that's not going to, that's not going to cut it.
Is it enough to criminally charge her?
Probably not.
Yeah.
You know something's, you know something's going on.
You know your boyfriend, your fiancee.
He's into something weird.
But maybe she was into that too.
So I don't know.
Yeah.
So that's pretty much all we have to talk about as far as this goes.
Shut up.
to one of our listeners, by the way, who DM'd me with the post and a clip to it.
I wasn't aware of it.
And then I saw it.
And I was like, ooh, that would make a great CWN.
As soon as they arrested him, I heard about it.
And that's initially when I was like, oh, is this a sex thing?
Because I remember one case where a man dug a woman out of a grave and he, like, kept her in his house and, like, held her and did things with her.
And this happened for quite a long time.
And then, you know, you have people like Jeffrey Dahmer, as we know, that, you know, they have.
their own things going with corpses.
So I was worried that's what it was.
And it's not that.
So we can be grateful for that.
But it's still bad.
Still really bad.
So we'll keep an eye on it.
Really bad situation.
If there's a major update or if somehow this guy walks, we'll definitely let you know.
But that's going to do it for us.
As always, everyone stay safe out there.
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