Crimeatorium - The Secret She Couldn’t Keep: The Tomaselli Recordings | Part 5

Episode Date: August 17, 2026

A NOTE BEFORE LISTENING: Mary-Beth Tomaselli is Linda Sue Roberts’s sister and the other daughter of Anthony Tomaselli. After interviewing Linda, investigators brought Mary-Beth in for questioning about her father’s death and her possible involvement in the events Linda had described. The audio presented in Part 5 is Mary-Beth’s interview with detectives. For the clearest understanding of the case, please listen to Parts 1 through 4 before continuing.This seven-part series features the secretly recorded conversations that helped expose the truth behind Anthony Tomaselli’s death. Crimeatorium obtained the recordings from the Pinellas County Sheriff’s Office.Four years after 85 year old Anthony Tomaselli’s death was attributed to natural causes, his daughter Linda Roberts invited a man she had been dating to her home and entrusted him with a disturbing secret about her father’s final night.Realizing the enormity of what Linda was telling him, the man discreetly began recording their conversation. What started as a private confession would lead investigators back to a death no one had questioned.Part 6 of the series will be released tomorrow.Music:CO.AG Music https://www.youtube.com/@co.agmusic1823If you have a case suggestion for Crimeatorium, please send it to [e-mail].

Welcome to True Crime Stories with Crime-a-Trorium. All right, so let me just, your correct spelling of your name, can you just do that for me Okay, Mary, M-A-R-Y. Okay, and then space? Well, on my birth certificate, it's just one name. Sometimes on my license, there's never been a hyphen, but sometimes it's separated, Mary, Beth. But it's supposed to be together, though.

In reality, that's all supposed to be. If I believe on my birth certificate. That's what it says. It says. Tomaselli is T-O-M-A-S-E-L-L-I Okay, and your current address?

3510 Wembley Way W-E-M-B-L-E-Y Number 103 Palm Harbor 34685 And your date of birth? 210-56

And your phone number? 727-485 4-8-5-5-9-2-0 5-9-2-0? Correct. Okay. So, like I said, I appreciate you coming here. So, and I know you're trying to figure out the way I am,

and I'm not here yelling at you. I'm just talking to you, okay? I like honesty, okay? And I know you are the type of person that likes it the same way. I see it. I see it in you. And I know you're still trying to figure out what the heck is going on. Okay.

But I want you, right now is your opportunity to be honest with us. Okay. All right? And we can go from there. So, you know, that being said, I want to talk to you, and I want to explain everything to you. Okay. We'll do that in detail so you understand what's going on.

But prior to doing, you know, we're here at the sheriff's office. I mean, we live in the United States. We have rights. All right. So I've just got to read you your rights, and then we'll get into everything. Okay? All right. All right?

Is that okay? Yeah. Okay. So. We'll just leave everything that's going on. Just give us 30 seconds, and we'll have this ironed out. So don't freak out. Don't freak out.

I'm just wet and I'm cold. I understand. All right, so you have the right to remain silent. You understand that? Are you arresting me? No. I didn't say that. I didn't say that.

No, we're going to tell you what's going on, but before we do that, we have no choice but to tell you that. Okay. It doesn't mean you're under arrest or anything. I just want to talk to you. Okay. All right, so I just have to explain your rights. I don't understand. Okay.

Okay, that's why he's explaining to you so you understand. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in the court at all. You have the right to talk to a lawyer and have him or her present with you while you're being questioned. If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, one will be appointed to represent you before any question, if you wish. You can decide at any time to excise these rights and not answer any questions or make any statements. Do you understand these rights I'm explaining to you? Yes.

Okay. And in your right to mind, you wish to talk to us. Like I said to you, I want to explain everything to you. Okay. All right? So that's what we need to do. All right. You okay with that? Okay. Okay. So, first of all, do you have any idea why you're here? A slight idea or anything why you're here at the Sheriff's Office? I think I may have an idea, yes, sir.

Okay. Let's talk about that. I mean, tell me why you think you're here. It's okay. Listen, Mary Beth, I like honesty, okay? I'm looking at you, and I know something's been bothering you, okay? And that's normal. Do I think you're a bad person?

No. I don't, okay? Do I think people, listen, people make mistakes in life, okay? I make mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes. We're not perfect, okay? However, I always raise, you know, just like with your daughter. You have a daughter, right?

You expect two daughters, right? You raise them to be truthful, okay? You expect, hey, if they make a mistake, to own up to their mistakes. Just move forward. Move forward, learn from it, and go from there. Right. Is that right? that's cool you seem very honest if you just tell everybody it's being with you for a period of time

and i'm the way i'm the way we were talking in the car and the way that i'm you know i can see because i've been doing this i've been doing this 20 years he's been doing this 30 something years okay so i i get a good reading on people and you know i can see that and you know something's really bothering you and you think and you know that i know what's bothering you so we're all adults and let's just be upfront about what's going on is that fair you seem like a very upfront type of person so you know why yes i'll go get you uh anything what you said clean it that's fine We'll walk through this and you will feel better about what's going on.

So, Mary Beth, like I explained, you know why we're here. I just saw a picture of my father. So, and you know why we're here, and you know why you're here, okay? So right now, and I can tell things have been bothering you, and I know it's not. So I want to hear from you what happened. Okay, what happened? Yes, ma'am. What happened?

Shall I go back to from... We're here. We have time. Okay. Oh, yeah, go back to where you need to begin this way. All right. My father, well, first of all, my stepmom, They weren't married, my father and Shirley, they were together 15 years and she had heart

problems. The year before she died, she was in the hospital in and out with surgeries and different things. Did they live together? Yes. They lived together as partners? Yes. They just weren't married. They just weren't married.

Okay, but they lived together. But she was like my mother, if you could pick someone. Okay. She got sick, and it was about a year that she was sick in the hospital. My father, Alzheimer's and dementia runs in my family. I've already been talking with my doctor about it. That's how I'll put it. Eight months in the jeans.

Eight months in the jeans, and I can't remember a lot of things, and I am forgetful, and I'm pretty sure it's not just normal. I understand. But anyway, my father's, and it goes back in generations, all of my family, all of my aunts had it run really bad. But my father had, his dementia was getting rather bad. His mental state? His mental state. Okay. You would have to tell him basically to eat.

You have to, he couldn't be left alone. Okay. He needed supervision. He needed supervision. So, Shirley was in the hospital now all the time, or in a rehab, so she was not at home. Her niece, who was a drug addict, was staying there at the house, at my dad's house, to help her aunt and help out around, because she didn't have a job and she didn't have any money.

Right. So, and my brother and my sister and I, we all had jobs and we all had work, so we couldn't be there during the day. Right. So, it became more, the sicker Shirley got, and the more, then she said, it's your father, you need to come on the weekends and spend time, or if Shirley goes in the hospital in the middle of the night, you're going to be called, and you need to come and take care of your father. Which is only, which is understandable. So, our lives had changed. My sister was married.

She wasn't as accessible, and I think she had had a mild stroke. I don't. She had a bit of a hypochondriac, so I don't remember exactly all of her illnesses. My brother lives in Bradenton, and we had West Shore Pizza down there, and he couldn't just come up all the time, always. So most of the time I was called because I lived just in Tampa in West Chase. So I would... It's close.

I was closer. We could talk all back and forth. So, you know, if my father needed something. But most of the time, I was starting to spend, you know, every weekend. Or he would call me at 4 in the morning. I would go over there. And I would spend every weekend with him. Take him.

We'd sit at the nursing home. But all day, go to church, go to dinner. Was it a nursing home or was it his house? No, I would stay at his house with him. He was not a nursing home yet. But we had found that he had a policy for a, which he had used for my mom, that he had prepaid for an assisted living or a nursing home for three years. He had prepaid for that.

So if indeed, you know, he did get Alzheimer's or had a stroke or something, he had already paid for it and wouldn't have to come out of his insurance and so forth for three years. So we knew that. So we knew he was going downhill almost literally weekly. He was changing, okay, with Shirley and everything. So we went ahead and we, my brother and sister and I, we looked at assisted livings. We found one on Curru Road, I think it's called, Brookdale? Yes.

Okay. And, but we didn't tell him that because we knew she was dying. Right. What year was this with her? He passed in 2015, so we're back. She died three weeks before he did. Three weeks, so this is pretty much the same timeline you're talking about. She died on February 22nd on her birthday.

And then my father, tomorrow would be the day he died. And so we felt that would be best for him because we can't quit work and live with my father. Because it was a being that was very trying to take care of him. You have your job. Right. And he had this policy that he would be okay. We would still visit him and so forth, but he would be taken care of during the day

without hiring someone to come in and take care of him during the day. But his Alzheimer's was getting so bad, we had to take, my sister was a power of attorney, We did have to take the checkbook away because Shirley was in the hospital, and she was paying the bills and so forth. And my father, we could put anything in front of him. You would just, you know, it's not so. Yeah, so someone had to take control.

That makes sense. And she was doing it beforehand, so somebody needed to take charge of it. Yeah, Shirley couldn't do it, so we had to do that. I understood. But the sticker surely got the worst of my father's Alzheimer and understanding of what was really going on. And he was, a lot of people are in denial when they know. He was hoping that she wasn't dying.

He might have known this deep down. He knew maybe it was her. No, he didn't know. He could cover him that it was Stephanie. He couldn't cover him that she was dying. Okay. He knows that she was in the hospital, but he felt she was coming home. Right.

But you guys probably knew. She probably knew that she was. Okay. Everyone in her family had died by the age of 40, and she lived to be 80. Oh, wow. That's a lot. Oh, boy. Okay.

Many, many surgeries, but that's the way it was. But my father was, the dementia had set in pretty well. I don't know if he was taking any medication for the dementia. Right. Or anything. He may have denied it, but there's just no way you couldn't tell that he was. And he was up all night. He drank very heavily at night, and he always had since we were little.

Both my parents did. And we saw my father going downhill. And one night, and I don't remember if we told him, this was after Shirley had died, and my sister and I were staying at the house because we were getting things together. We spent the night at his house because he couldn't be left alone overnight. I'd leave at four in the morning. She wasn't working. Okay.

okay she she's been on disability i think five or six years now um i think she was going through a divorce at that time okay so um i would leave at four drive to tampa get ready for work and then go to work nonetheless watching my father and also we had received a phone call he had lung cancer I can't remember how many years ago right now, and had part of his lung removed. And we had gotten a call within a week's time from the doctor. He had a doctor's appointment, I think, maybe the day after Shirley passed away. I can't remember exactly. But close proximity, that's about the time, huh?

The doctor said the chest, because he always had a cough, but then he was also smoking on the side. He knew he was smoking cigarettes. He knew better, but we could smell it on him. So he was still smoking, even though it sounds cultured. All right. But they said they had found a large mass in his other lung, and he was going to have to go in the next day to the pulmonologist.

and with his dementia so bad and him we had several arguments when we told him that he was between you guys and him my brother and my sister and I

trying to bring him into the home once Shirley had passed away we told him dad you have this policy and you have an option because you can't live alone here and we can't come and live with you and take care of you. And we went ahead and we took him to the assisted living and showed it to him. He was not happy.

He balked at it. We knew he didn't want to go there, which I'm sure because he was used to his home. but we can't change couldn't have changed our lives right um but his dementia and his temperament had changed and i can see him when we were trying to explain to him that this is the way it's going to be dad you're going to have about three weeks and you know put the house up for sale and or you can rent it out but you're going to have to be in an assisted assisted living you have your own apartment and it wasn't even to the dementia area it was just a regular part but we knew the staff were the being a checkout i don't have to

but we knew he was not going to be able to last in that regular part of the assisted living that he was going to have to be put in the dementia area. But this may have been a good transition, at least, you know, back home. For a week. Not very long, though, because he was going to... Because we had... You would have to have lived with him to see... To see how it was.

And he was getting very angry and very agitated, and I remember several conversations with him, and he would get up and he would stomp his feet and he would call us, who made you

the jury and the judge and make the choice for me to I'm sorry to do this this is more confusing and more understanding it is uncontrollable and we didn't know how

and you guys didn't have the time to basically because you had your life going on to stay there in the house right? I had to make a living You have your life, and he didn't want to go into the home. He didn't want to go into the home.

But the other thing was the lung cancer. The lung cancer. Coming back. He was going to have to have surgery, the chemotherapy, and everything else that goes with that. And with his dementia, I believe it was on a Wednesday evening, he came home from work. You did?

Yeah, I came home from work. My sister was already there. So your sister, who, so? It was just me and my sister and my father. Okay. We mixed, we made him his drink. He drank a couple Cokes and vodkas that night, every night. You said, you said that you and your, just earlier you said that you guys talked.

Yes, okay, I'm getting to that. My oldest daughter. Okay, who's that? Her name is Lauren Johnson. Okay. She, she, um, she was in the other bedroom. Oh, so she, so what did she do? She had, she, my oldest daughter has a past.

My oldest daughter is bipolar. Okay. She has been in jail. Okay. That's fine. All right. I've enabled her and I've tried since she was 18. She's tried to commit suicide several times.

I've been through a lot with her. I understand. That's what happens, but nonetheless, she was still my daughter. That's your daughter. I'm going off track, anyway. This one night, I came home, and my sister was in the medical field. She's a certified medical assistant. Oh, she's an assistant?

CMA. What's her name? Linda Roberts. Okay, continue. She said to me that she had been thinking about dad and his situation with his lung cancer coming back with what we're going to deal with, his dementia, him not understanding, and what it was going to be like for him. And he was, the way we felt he was suffering, the way we felt he was suffering, that we, she said, she thought that perhaps we could put him out of his suffering. Okay. Was this a conversation you had in person or over the phone?

No, together. You were together in this house? We were laying in bed together. Okay, just making sure I understand what you're saying. Okay, continue. Sorry. So you guys were laying, it was you and your sister. Yeah.

And this was that Wednesday? I believe it was on. So then what did you say to that? Well, at that moment, after everything, the way things were at this time, I I had hesitations however I felt

I understand I don't have the right to take someone's life if that's what you're asking me I know right from wrong however I felt I couldn't see my father at 88 going through

sorry that's okay Going through this surgery, I didn't think he was going to make it through this surgery, this dementia. I couldn't handle watching my father suffer this way 24-7, the way he was going. And unless you lived with him and saw him, and I was with him from Friday night through Sunday morning when I went to work. I was the one that was with him. I couldn't—I honestly felt that I couldn't watch my father suffer this way, so I agreed with her.

And what was the plan? Her plan was—my father took sleeping pills every night. He took Xanax as well, and blood pressure, and cholesterol—I don't remember exactly what medications my father took. And she said that if we were to do this, when my dad had a drink that evening, on that Thursday evening, that we would put, she thought, I think 15 of his sleeping pills, and I don't remember if they were capsules, honestly, or if they were tablets, put it in his drink and he would make a big drink.

What was it? What kind of alcohol would that be? Vodka and Coca-Cola. Okay. Okay. I believe. He would drink this every night? He would drink two or three every night.

Two or three a night. Okay. And most nights he could already walk and he was always falling. Okay. In the bed. Falling, getting out, going into the bathroom. And she said we would put the sleeping pill in his drink. In history, we asked for it at about 9 or 10 o'clock.

I can't remember about what time. First, I would take him for a ride to the beach. He would want to go to Clearwater Beach every night. He had restless legs, too. And I would drive him. Sometimes we'd get to Sunset Point and turn around. Sometimes we'd get all the way to the beach and turn around. That was our nightly ritual.

So I came back, and she didn't—I don't remember if she was with— She was with that night in the car, and when we came home, it was premeditated, and so I am the one that put the sleeping pills in the bed and drank it. Let me ask you this. Your daughter— My sister had—I didn't realize it, but my dad had two bedrooms. And my daughter, the oldest daughter, was in the other bedroom, but my sister had given her a sleeping pill, so she was asleep. So she can sleep through, so this...

Right, and her door was closed. So she did not know what was going on, as far as you know. No, no, no. But you didn't know this at the time, but she told you subsequently that she gave her a sleeping pill? Oh, yeah. She did tell me that she gave her a sleeping pill, but... Okay. Go ahead.

Excuse me. You're fine. And so... So you... I don't know a lot about those medications. I didn't realize that she thought it was going to be a small glass of drink. But I made him his regular one. Regular one.

So her calculation was off. Okay. So then what happened? Did you give him the, where was he at? He was sitting on the couch. Okay. And he usually had his nightly prayers always, he'd send his little... That's a nightly ritual that you would do?

Well, he had like little prayer cards. Yeah, some of them were in Italian, some were in English, and he'd say them every night. Okay, so then... So he did that, and we gave him his drink. and with her calculations if he would have passed away calmly yeah yes was it the hardest thing I ever did yes however the portion of the drink opposed to the The ratio, okay. It didn't work.

Okay. So the glass dropped. It affected him, but it didn't pass away. So what did he do? So he was kind of struggling around. And at this point, you can't, you had seconds, this, after this, wasn't planned, after this, what to do next. Okay. I followed her lead.

Okay. And so she said, okay, now we'll have, we had to be quiet. she said let's put a pillow over dad's face okay okay and that didn't work because he was strong i don't remember which one of us put the pillow over his face and where was your dad when you he's in the couch in the living room in the living room understood it was real quiet okay no i'm not smiling i understand and that wasn't working because he was very strong and he's pushing it off and so she said okay the next thing we'll have to do is we have to get a washcloth put in his mouth and we're gonna have to hold his nose and hold his arm had to

finish what we had started okay so at that time i believe i held his i don't know how i held his nose, and I had to try to hold his arms down. So you kind of pinned him down? Yeah, with his hand on his wrist. Was he fighting? So he was fighting? He was fighting. Of course he was fighting to get breath.

Okay. So then? But so this happened, I mean, it didn't take very long for this. Then once there was no air coming in, I don't know, a few minutes maybe. Okay. I honestly, I can't, I didn't black out, but I can't, it was like an out-of-body experience. I can't remember exactly, but that's exactly how it went. So then once, so you, your sister grabbed the washcloth and put it in his mouth, okay,

and you held his nose and arms. Yeah, tried. Tried. Tried. And he was fighting the whole time? Yeah, for maybe a minute or so. I honestly can't remember, sir, how long. But it wasn't very long.

And he did have a pacemaker, because you could see that he wasn't breathing, but his pacemakers. It's mechanical, obviously. Obviously. I'm not, I know medical billing. I don't know the other side of the bill. But it makes sense that that probably is how that went then. Right. All right.

And so when we realized that he had passed on, we went to bed. I slept in my clothes. I didn't sleep. You went to bed. We went to bed. And he was on the couch. And my daughter never woke up. Was he sitting on the couch or laying on the couch?

Laying on the couch. Okay. At that time. Halfway on the couch. Half of his legs were on the floor. And he was kind of slouched over and kind of on the couch. No, yeah, his head was on the, laying back on the arm of the couch. And his feet were off?

And his feet were off. Lower torso. On the floor. Okay. So then you end up going into bed. Yeah. And then I got up to go to work, I think, 5.36 in the morning, 4 maybe. I can't remember, to go back to Tampa.

And then the rest. we called the sheriff now who did the calling I don't remember how did you did you get your daughter we called 911 yes we called 911

we called 911 we found my father on the couch and he's not breathing my sister did actually jump on top of him was trying to do CPR which you guys knew yes sir and it was all planned

for her one night so what I'm saying is so when the deputies arrived oh no yeah I don't know why she why she did that did she do CPR while he was on the couch or was he moving

no no no on the couch she only weighs 100 pounds so she sat on top of him when he was trying to do CPR so whether it was she was trying to I feel like she was crying I can't be in her mind

at this point and in mine at this point but it was I'm telling you the truth I appreciate that and I you know I really do Mary Beth appreciate you being honest with us

and you know because this has probably been inside you all these years okay and it's sort of you know sometimes it's you know all that's building up in you and it's kind of somewhat yes you know there's you know you're going to feel a lot better at this point that it's off and now you can move on okay i'll never move on So, who decided at that time what story to tell the deputy of what happened? Oh, we told him that we mixed him in his drink, which is true. Sometimes he would stay up until midnight and watch basketball games or whatever, baseball.

I don't remember what the TV was on. And which was nothing basically other than what we had done was unusual for my father. That was his regular routine, except for the other. Except for putting the pills in there. Yes, he would have gotten up and made his own drink, two or three more drinks. Okay. And then stumbled the bed. And we could hear him stumbling because we would be in the other bedroom.

Okay. And we could hear him stumbling. So the sheriffs came, and of course we did not tell them what we did. Obviously. But in my mind at that time, I felt I couldn't see my father suffering. I know I don't have the right to do that. But at that time, I felt I couldn't see him suffering with surgery and going through that as well. And what about now?

What about now? What do you think now? After all these years? I think I did the right thing. I still don't think I could live with myself watching my father suffer like he was doing. he would have to see the way he was acting all day and he was like

kind of crazy vastly different than I understand and every day was getting worse and worse on him you guys could see the light in the tunnel what was happening here the dementia, the cancer

he may not survive the surgery he may have survived he also may not but he is not 25 No, that's true. But I felt that I couldn't watch my father without his mind and not knowing what he was doing going on. And I know they have medications for that and so forth. But at that time, bang, dealing with the death of Shirley and my father, like going upside down with this dementia, getting even worse,

and the way he was acting every day, I didn't have the heart to sit and watch it. I couldn't do it. Okay. so this was all so you're saying that this was I had never thought of it in a million years until just like that they seem to let it brought this up to you yeah like you know within this short period of time but the night before you guys talked about it and like you said it was premeditated yes sir and you knew you're gonna kill your father and that was the plan to try to give a lethal

dose she was on the same sleeping medication and I think she had extra because we couldn't leave my sister okay so she couldn't have less in her bottle Or we couldn't have taken 15 pills out of his sleeping pills, and then it'd be short. I understand. So we didn't touch his. I believe it was hers. Okay, so his would still be intact. You're talking about there might be a discrepancy in the pill count.

Right. If we had taken that many out of his and just put it in his drink. Exactly. So then it was decided between you guys that you would take the stuff out of Linda's then and use her prescription medication, whatever it is. So there was no sign. So it would be all when the deputy got there and stuff. When they look in there, they would think it would be natural.

Right. No suspicion. After, they took my father and they took him off the couch and laid him on the ground. And I guess they had to see the blood that had... That's correct. Sinks down. Correct. That could give you sort of an estimate time of death by looking at that.

Yes. Okay. And then, I don't remember all the questions, but they asked, who's the person that fills your bottle? He had a pill bottle. Pill count. Pill count. And I was the one that filled the pill count at night or once a week. And so, I had to count each one and so forth, and everything, you know, came out exactly. As it should, because you didn't use any of those. I didn't use any of those. You used the ones that your sister brought. That's correct.

Let me ask you, who decided to, or was it a joint effort, and who decided to use her pills versus his? Was that just a joint thing? It was hers. It was hers. Linda's? Okay. Yeah.

All right. It makes sense. I understand what you're saying. Let's make sure I'm clear on what you're telling me. I understand. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it made sense.

Right. Now, let me ask this. Who else have you told about this or talked about it? I know who was there, but since this point. The only person is this monster of a man that my, I met this person. Do you mean he's a big person, or what do you mean he's a monster? No, I'm saying he is a very bad person. He's a bad person, is what you're saying, okay.

I met him, I went out with him four times. All right. His name is Anthony Marsh. Okay. and my sister and I were going to go to the grave and we were never going to tell anyone of what we had done

right and yeah it has it has killed me and evidently And she, evidently, I think it was this week, this is Tuesday, last Thursday, I came home from work and was getting out of my car.

and he showed up and he said he needed to talk to me I don't talk to this man he's been dating myself I dated him maybe back in July I went out with him four times and I broke up with him

because he was married he was a musician and he was a monster but you didn't want anything to do with him I didn't want anything to do with him and I found out he had injunctions against him from other women And my daughter told me that.

You went out having nothing to do with him? The only time I had anything to do with him was when he was, because my sister was still dating him. Did she know all these things that you just spoke to us about? Did you relate to us? Did she know this stuff? Yes. No, because he basically blackmailed me on the last Thursday night.

He came to my house. Yes, he came to my house. He said he needed to talk to me about something very important. Well, and you probably, I don't know if you know, but my, I'll go on to that, but he said, I need to talk to you about something very important, and I can only assume it has to be about my sister. Something in commonality between the two of you. Right. I understand. They started seeing each other.

I mean, I saw him four times. And on the third time he met her, they started dating behind my back. But, I mean, there was nothing between him. I mean, if you want to get personal on it, I had moved on. I said, I don't want to ever see you again. I never had contact. That was it. Unless I came home from work and he happened to be there.

But he used to show up at 2 in the morning. He was a musician and come in the front door and come in the whatever. It was toxic, toxic for me. Right. Okay. And I said, all right, you can come in the house. What is it you have to say? He sat me down on the couch, and he said, I want you to tell me the truth.

He said, your sister told me something, and I want to hear it from you. I want to hear what your side of the story is as opposed to what she said. and right then I knew that my sister had obviously told him and he said that she told him that it was my idea I had filed bankruptcy

I filed bankruptcy when I was I was married 23 years and I got divorced after 23 years and I lost my house and I filed bankruptcy 18 years ago. Quite a while ago. Quite a while ago. I didn't just file bankruptcy.

I've lived on my own. I've, you know, I dated off and on, but no one seriously. I took care of myself. Okay. I didn't do it for money. I understand that.

That never, ever. It was not part of this. If it would have been anything, I would have signed the money away. And honestly, whatever I inherited, It went all to my children. I did buy a condo, I mean a mobile home, and I did buy my father's car,

and the rest went for my children, my grandsons, private school, and so forth. Not that I'm trying to. No, I just want to be a better picture of what's going on. She told him it was my idea. I did it because I had filed bankruptcy. I had no money. and I did all of that. All of it's not true, though.

And all of it's not true. Because it was your sister's idea. It was my sister's idea. Just like you described to us, exactly how it happened. However, unfortunately, I'm not playing tit-for-tat or anything, but we have had a very rough year because my sister is a pathological liar. Okay. Okay.

Nonetheless, you have no proof of that. She's your sister. You listen to what you're saying. However, she was married to someone. She got a divorce, but he did try to choke her three times. She took him. Who's that person? Who's that?

Ted Roberts. They're divorced now. Okay, but they were married. At that time, they were married. She had divorce papers. Right. At that time. Are they married now?

No. They got divorced because he tried it. He did it three times. He tried to choke her. He tried to choke her. And she went back to him. So, we've lived together this past year. We decided that we would live together.

Okay. So, we moved in to this condo that we're in. Does she live in there now? She just bought a… She paid a year's rent. Right. Because our credit wasn't very good. So, she paid a year's.

She just bought a, she paid a year's rent, right, because our credit wasn't very good. So she paid a year's, we moved in April 1st, a year ago. Okay. So she paid a year. So it's coming up, don't they? Right. So she did a horrible thing. She kept thinking that this Anthony and I were still talking.

I had nothing to say to him. I called him Satan because he's just such a horrible person. And she continued to see him. She was home all day. She had nothing to do. She's not stupid. She's a very smart person. But she had nothing to do all day.

and her mind just did twisted things. She's evil. I'm sorry. Your sister is? Yes. Evil person. I hate to bring this part of this up, but it's going to come out,

and I don't want to try to get in your business too much. This is the fourth time that you saw this Anthony person you're seeing? Yes. Did I have relations with him? Yes, I did. Yes, I did. Okay. And then you decided to break it off,

and all that's still true? Yeah. Yeah, I haven't. I blocked him immediately that night that I did, and I've never, ever. And she, till this day, she still thinks that I have a secret way of talking to him and so forth. She's jealous? She's jealous of me. Even though you're not, that's not happening. No, I found a wonderful man that I've been dating now six months, and the most remarkable person I've ever met in my entire life.

Right. And she was jealous of that. And she wanted that. She wanted that. So, I'm actually starting to see where we're going here. Okay. So, let's see. What happened that she did?

Oh, so she, in this past year, every month, basically, I know I'm going off base. That's okay. I'm with you. Go ahead. Every month, she, Ted was her husband, Ted Roberts, that she married, the one that choked her. Once here, she filed charges, and I think she dropped them. Then they used to take care of her grandson, and one day he was upset. He had a bad day, and Ted took his hands and put them around his neck.

He didn't choke him, but he told the judge he open-fisted, put his hands around his neck to tell him, don't throw your pencil at your grandmother. And so they took him to court for that. Okay. But that was expunged, or whatever, I don't know here. Okay. Is that here? That was here.

That was in Florida, okay. Yeah, they owned a condo in the countryside. Because my niece, the father, she's not married to the father. Her husband is an attorney. And so the father was angry that my niece didn't marry him. And he was jealous of who she married. So he was making accusations against my niece, like, you know, Aiden says you don't pay attention to him, or Aiden says you're mean to him.

And so he, I guess he was calling DCF and saying things like that, or like Aiden hit his mom because she wouldn't, some things like that. Okay. It's okay. And I don't know how that would drop a charge, but it did. Okay. Then, so every other month I would come home from work and there would be a letter on my counter saying, you're not, you understand, but I'm going back to Ted.

He moved to North Carolina. right after the divorce and bought a condo in north carolina what year was this when they had divorced and then he moved to north carolina did you know going on maybe five years now could be close to that okay um i'm sure you have records right i'm just i'm just trying to find out so for this year that lived with her she went back to him six times out of eight months because we're not at the end of the year every month she would pack up her car or fly up and go back there she would stay there a couple weeks or a month and she'd come home something would happen and she told me he was on drugs and he was doing cocaine and she saw him and there's just so many

stories sir i i can't i understand so there's some some turmoil going on between her and that person and then this last just last week i think last week she woke up and she said he had drugged her she takes Ambien still at night to sleep so that he had drugged her and she had what she had had before like scratch marks

not just from a nail she said like from an ice pick on her breast and on her back which she has had before and he told her that you had scratched yourself in fact more likely it was her

Yeah, so she had turned him in for a time, once in North Carolina, but then she didn't go back for the trial, so that was dropped. That was dropped, yeah. Okay, so are you getting a little bit of an idea? I think we're starting to get a clearer picture of what's going on. Okay, so I don't know if it's her attention or what, but so I think we're going on two weeks now. He did it last week, like maybe. and on monday or so i'd have to look at the dates my niece told me and um so they came here oh really yeah and showed her breasts where there were marks in her back and they took

pictures and so forth and they went and arrested him that night for it and then i think he went to court and so forth so i think it's about two weeks now that that happened And so she always, I think, went back to him because he had a lot of money. What does he do? He's retired. He used to work. He was high up in the Miller Brewery Company. Okay.

He has, like, four master's degrees. He's very intelligent. Okay. Somewhat off-kilter. So, this occurred, and so she brought him here, and he was arrested. And then, I think I said it was last Thursday night is when, so it was between when that happened, I don't know the date. That's okay, no. So last Thursday night, this Anthony came to my house, you know, and came into my garage.

And I almost had a heart attack, you know, scared the daylights out of me. You weren't expecting that, obviously. I was in my car, yeah, of course. And he said he needed to talk to me. It was very important. And that's when he proceeded to tell me the story that he wanted to hear my side of the story, which was absolutely, totally different. Right.

However, he said, he lectured me and said, you don't have a right, and you were wrong, and so forth. I understand that, but you have to look at it from my position and where I was in my mind at that point and how I saw my father suffering, and I felt I wasn't doing it to get my father's money or anything like that. I have lived paycheck to paycheck all my life, and I will continue to live that way. Money was never the object of it. It was watching my father suffer. That is the reason.

Listen, now we're on the subject of money. This is because I want to walk through this a little bit with you. Okay. How was his assets divided up when this all happened? Three ways. Okay, so your brother, obviously, and your sister. Right, the three of us. Okay, so the house was sold and the money was divided by three.

Right, right. What other things did he have? Did he have bank accounts or properties? He had annuities. Okay, and how much were those? I think we got $80,000 each. You got $80,000 each? Yes.

After the sum of everything that was done, there was an annuity, there was a house. Right, there was a mortgage on the house, so once the house was sold, I think there was maybe 10 or 15 that was left from the mortgage because that was in probate. My father's car, he had paid cash for one car, but my stepmom didn't want it. So they took it back in, and she said she would pay for the car. So there was a car payment. And so the car that I'm driving, because my car, I had an old car and it was getting ready to break down. So I said I would pay my, so we took it to Ocean Honda where we bought it and asked them how much they would pay, buy it back for.

And they said $13,000. And I think the amount owed was $8,000 on it. While it was in probate, I paid the car payment out of my own money, and then I asked my brother and sister if it would be fair if we went with the $13,000, and I gave her a check for $2,500, and my brother a check for $2,500, and then I paid the car off, and I kept my father's car. That makes sense. That's what you did.

You kind of leveled that out. I understand what you're saying. Okay. Understood that. I put in the bank, and my grandson was born with birth defects, and he has to go to a private school. And I put money in a trust to pay the scholarship, paid for 80%, and I was paying 20%.

And even before my father passed away, I was paying $160 or $85 a month, excuse me, because my daughter is single. Understood, okay. And my oldest daughter is the biological mother, excuse me, of my grandson. However, my oldest daughter is bipolar and has tried to commit suicide so many times and has been in jail. Where does she live at now? She's living somewhere in Largo.

Okay. She's not living with you as we said. No, no. She's outside. At one time she did. Okay. So, when my grandson was a year old, I know I'm going off base. That's okay.

That was your own background. When my grandson was a year old, I went to pick him up at her house, and she didn't answer the door. So, I had to get the maintenance man to open the door. Of course, then they had to call the sheriff's department. She was OD'd on the couch. I don't know what she did. Okay. And my grandson was in his bedroom with wet diapers.

So they took her in the ambulance. I took my grandson home with me. Within an hour, DCF was at my place. And I went and had to go to a full background because, of course, he's my grandson. I would keep him. I raised him until he was 8 years old by myself. I did get power of attorney, but I did not legally adopt him.

But I had to have power of attorney to take him to the doctor, to get him in school, and so forth. I had to take care of him that way. So that's what I did. Did she visit him during this time or did not? During those eight years, she, off and on, was in and out of our lives. And she stayed with you, though, this whole time? I had told her. Then, my youngest daughter, they're only a year apart.

And my youngest daughter is a judicial assistant. Okay. What's her name? Jennifer Johnson. Jennifer Johnson. Okay. For Judge Holly Grisinger for domestic violence, which my sister was just in her courtroom this week when this last episode just happened.

And she said, Mom, you're getting in your fifties, and it's going to be really hard for you to be raising an eight-year-old, and you're by yourself. And she said, Mom, let me legally adopt Trent. And I fought it because I couldn't give him up. He was my life. But knowing that 55, 56, I can't remember how old, but I think it's more than seven years now. We just celebrated seven years.

I said, okay, you can legally adopt him. I know you can, you're, we will, it doesn't mean I can never see him again. It's just that it would be better in his, her, with him. She just needs to take care of him. And she was at a better age to take care of him. Right. That's understandable. I'm getting old.

I understand that. So that, you know, I'm losing my train of thought. I understand. So that's, that's where that was. So. Okay. So I'm getting dementia as well. Okay.

So the thing is, like I said... Okay, so excuse me now. Okay, go ahead. So that night, he lectured me. And he told me that I need to turn myself in, or he was going to turn me in. And I told him it was none of his business. You were not there. It was not your choice to make.

You have a stack of injunctions and so forth against you. You have no right to tell me what to do. Right. However, I know this man is a liar, and I had a feeling, and he told me, don't tell your sister that I came over. Did you talk to your sister? No, sir. I haven't talked to her.

Even though he said that, you never, post that time, ever discussed this with her since that time? Never. When was the last time you talked to your sister about this, or have you actually talked again? Oh, we've talked about it a lot. She was feeling, we talked about it. She felt like everything she does is always centered around her as being a victim,

like the way this man, Anthony, would treat her, the way Ted did this to her. She feels God is punishing her for what we did. Okay. Okay. So she would mention this to you? Yes, she had mentioned it maybe a month ago, a couple weeks ago, before she moved out.

So I didn't know that she was in touch with Ted in North Carolina and that he was going to be coming down here and they were going to buy a condo together because our lease was coming up and move in together. I almost, I mean, who would go back with someone that choked you? It doesn't make sense. That's correct. All right, so first of all, and she wouldn't go to counseling because she said she's smarter than any of the counselors, okay?

So even when it came to domestic violence, this is a serious thing. I think she went to one or two counseling meetings. I think she went to four of them in North Carolina, and they gave her enough willpower to leave him, I think one of the third times from up there after it happened, when she came back here. So let me ask you this. So when you guys ended up suffocating him, after you guys killed him at that time, what did you guys think?

What did you guys do? You guys went into the bedroom and just laid there? What did you guys talk about? No, we didn't. What did you do? We didn't. And we called 911 immediately, and we didn't talk. You called right after it happened?

No, in the morning. Okay, what I'm saying is right after this happened, you guys tried to put the pillow over him. We really didn't discuss it anymore after that. So you went to bed and laid in bed, but you didn't sleep. I guess you wanted to block it out of your mind. Right. All right, so you laid in bed, both you and Linda, and then the...

We didn't talk. I don't remember any talking. You just got up in the morning and then made a discovery. I called 911. And what did you say to your daughter at that time? Papa. You never told her what you just told us.

She does not know this either. Nobody knows it except this one weak moment where she told this, I hate to say it, but a monster. Not just because, but he is. Okay. I got a couple of questions. Don't take offense to these. They're just things that I'm curious about.

You mentioned that you have a history in your family of dementia and what happened. But you're clear on what you're telling us today. Oh, yes. You're extremely articulate, so I'm going to say you're very clear on what happened at that time and then relaying that incident to us today. It's all very clear in your mind and you're not cloudy about any of those things. No, I'm not cloudy at all. Okay. And at the time this happened, were you under any type of medication or alcohol or anything at the time?

No, not that night, no. Okay, so you're very clear about what happened. There's no, we were on some type of hercogs and we did this, nothing. We were all clear about what was going on in your mind about what happened. Exactly. Right. Now, I have to ask you this. I ask everybody this.

Yes. As far as you, do you suffer from any mental illness or anything? Well, mental illness runs in my family. My grandfather used to have to have, at that time, they used to do shock treatment. Oh, I understand that. And I, our family used to get together on Sunday nights, and my grandfather would, would act almost like my father was acting now. Okay.

Like, out of control, and it would take my two uncles and my father to hold him back, and they would have to call 911. I understand. And then shocked. I didn't see this, but that's how they treated it back then. Well, what I'm trying to establish here is you understand what's going on. Am I of right mind? I'm asking you, you understand you're a police station.

We're talking to detectives. It's very clear what's going on. That's all I'm trying to make sure that you understand. That's all. And you haven't given us any indications that you don't, but I'm not in your mind. I'm pretty sure that we're clear about what we're talking about and what's happened. You're clear then. You're clear now.

Exactly. Okay, that's all that's trying to say. I'm just not trying to be offensive or anything. I'm just letting you know. I'm saying I'm getting very, very forgetful, and I know which goes with age. But at work, you know, you could tell me something, and I will forget it within one minute. So that's why, you know, I checked with my doctor on dementia, and there's something I could take or so forth to be on for that.

I understand. I understand what you're saying now. You know, but right here and right now, I'm telling you the honest truth, and I know exactly what I'm saying. Okay. All right. A couple more if you don't mind. Go ahead.

Let's go back. I hate to do this, but this part of it, where we go back to where he was on the couch and this was going on. Was there anything that kind of happened? I don't want to kind of put words in your mouth, but was there anything that happened while the course of this was happening to your father did um anything out of the ordinary happen i'll just leave it that way um did he do anything that he was trying to unbuckle his pants okay like i guess i guess you have the urge to

go to the bathroom so did he ultimately do that or no yeah he did wet his pants okay okay now which stage of that was that was that the stage of um when you just gave him I'm going to be honest, I honestly can't remember exactly which part of the stage where he did wet his pants. Okay, so through the course of the entire thing. I couldn't understand that he kept reaching for his belt. I don't know if he had felt an urge during that time to go to the bathroom, but he did wet his pants. Okay. But I'm going to be honest, I can't remember.

We know what part of this happened. I don't know. Okay, that's understandable. But he did do that. Okay. And he was struggling? Yes, sir. Okay.

And trying to push you guys away or anything? Yeah, he didn't know. He was pretty much, like, out of it. Because of the pills? Yeah. But do you believe he was trying to push you away? I don't think he knew what was going on. He was just resistant?

He was resistant. He didn't know what was going on. Okay. And another question I have, I'm sorry, this is just how I am. You said that you guys used a pillow to initially do this. Are you asking me which pillow I used? I don't remember. I don't remember if it was a pillow on the couch, honestly, or I don't think.

You don't remember anybody going to get a pillow and coming back? I'm going to be honest with you. No, I want you to be honest. I don't remember that. No, no, I want you to be honest. And I think that was the first step that we went to now. You tried the pillow first. Right.

And it didn't work. So then she went and then the washcloth. Yes. She said you have to block both airways. Then she went to go get a washcloth and came back with a washcloth from somewhere in the house. Exactly. Your recollection is that you don't remember if she went and got a pillow from somewhere else in the house or the pillow that was on the couch.

You have no idea which one that is? No, sir, I don't. Okay. Do you, let me ask you this, do you happen to know where your sister is? I don't know her address, but I know it's in a subdivision. Does she work?

No, she's on disability. I think she had like a mild stroke, I think, when she was working. How long ago was that? I think we're going on five or six years now. Does she drive? She does drive. What kind of car does she have?

Well, let me put it this way. She, in one of her eyes, she has optic neuritis, and so she can, it's very blurry, and I can't remember if it's her left or right eye. She has it somewhere, though. She has it somewhere. Okay. But it did not stop her from driving. But it is blurry, and she's had surgery on it and cataracts and removed and so forth.

And she wears glasses. But she has no peripheral vision, so when she has to turn, whether it's left or to the right, she has to literally turn her head to see. Okay. However, three weeks ago, okay, we have been fighting because... You and her. Her and I have been arguing. She has become very secretive.

She didn't want me to know that she was going to move in with Ted. Correct. I don't care who you move in with. Let me ask you this. Was this who he's characterized as being a sore point between you and her about this Ted thing? Not Ted, but the, well, maybe Ted. Well, I'll tell you what the sore spot is. Okay.

That she keeps accusing me of being with this. And that was a good thing. That's exactly what I was saying. But that's not happening. So I start staring when I get upset about that. To this very day, does she still do that? And whatever my sister was doing, and she was seeing, and her daughter was not speaking to her, number one,

because she was seeing this Anthony who has these injunctions against him. Right. And he's a bad person, very bad. And they're like a match made in heaven. excuse me and so her daughter won't speak to her, she can't see her grandson then when she goes back

with Ted who had tried to strangle from bad to bad there's nothing so they haven't really spoken very much at all and okay now I've lost

where I was going with So I tell my daughter, except for what we're discussing, that I was going to take it to the grave with me. What about your brother? No, I never told my brother. Is it your impression that your sister also did not tell your brother? That's correct. He would probably call you or there would have been some contact.

If she had done that, but your recollection is that's not what happened. Okay. Yeah. When I had, when I had broke that off after the one month with that Anthony, I felt bad that I had brought someone that I, my daughter did a background check on him and told me that he had these injunctions. Well, that was on my mind. And so that was part of the reason. But also, he was very bossy and, like, reprimanded me like I was a child. Right. You know, like, you can't talk. I mean, well, first of all, he was married, and he had 50 million girlfriends, you know, and it was just wrong, okay?

It was a mistake. But those two, alpha, she called it alpha male, alpha female, and they, whatever. So for them, it was fine. So, but from that, August 23rd on, I never had contact with him, except if I ran into him in the house when he was there visiting her. Other than that, you wouldn't have no contact. It was just an uncomfortable thing. I'm certain that it was. I'm certain it was.

And I will tell you another thing, since we're in here. Certainly. And so anyway, I would tell my daughter, Jennifer, yeah, one minute they would be together, and the next minute they would break up. One minute. And this has nothing to do with whatever. It's in the background. I appreciate that.

One minute they were together, and one minute they broke up. One minute they were together, and one minute they'd break up. So you break up with them, and I would go along with her. I'd try to keep peace with her. He's a nasty person. He's horrible. He's together. That's your choice.

You want to be with him. That's your choice. I don't have to be. I'm happy in my life. I've moved on. I am in love, and I have never been with someone in 18 years like the person I am with now. Okay. So, she got angry that I was telling my daughter, you know, all these things about her and Anthony, that he was still coming over and so forth.

Because she was telling everyone that she wasn't seeing him anymore. But she was, though. She was, and I was telling my daughter. The truth. The truth. and my daughter i think and sometimes would tell my niece my sister's daughter who's a paralegal by the way and so my sister had an argument with my niece and she was telling my niece that she's 61 years old she's an adult she could see whoever she wants it's none of her business

Annie you're not perfect you see who you want and I'll see who I want so that's how that went so she got so we were getting ready to move out and she says I

I said we need to check everything in the house all the pictures in the walls and so forth I have her phone number I have my sister's phone number beautiful I had told Joe that I had seen someone, you know, prior to him, you know, and it was only

four dates, you know, and then my sister started seeing him one time while I hadn't broke up with him anyway, so... What was his opinion about that? Oh, he... Whatever. That's someone you dated before me. Right. That was it.

He just opened his computer for him and so on and so on. Okay. So, my sister and her daughter had a very bad argument on one night. And then I started, the next day at work, I started getting these text messages from my sister saying that I backstabbed her by telling my daughter about her and Anthony and how could I do that to her and, you know, these things. You can read my phone. And somehow I wouldn't put it past my sister to do anything.

And then I got this strange text message. It sounded like she was answering someone's question or something. Maybe it wasn't meant for you. It wasn't meant for me. Somebody else. Right. Okay. So, when I went to Joe's house, I go there Friday evening, and I stay until Sunday.

And I asked him, I said, did you happen to hear from my sister today? And he said, no, honey, I didn't. But the next day, he told me that he had heard from my sister. She sent him an instant message. Now, prior to this, we had discussed about the screens in the house, you know, because when we moved in, she took out all the screens because she likes to have clear glass. She didn't like screens.

Okay. So I said, we have to make sure everything is put back. As bad as it was, right. So she said, I think there's three screens in the garage. And I said, okay, make sure they're all put together. She said, all right, I will do it before you get home from work. And I said, well, I met Jennifer's tonight. We'll do it Thursday night, and we'll help each other, because I believe one of them was bent.

Prior to that, she had told me months earlier that Anthony used to, she took the screen out of her bedroom window, and this guy, Anthony, used to come in in the middle of the night and come in. To the screen, to the window. To the screen instead of the front door. Okay? So she sent Joe, my boyfriend, an instant message and told him that I am not the person he thinks I am and that I have been seeing another man this whole five months that we've been dating and that he comes in through a screen in my bedroom window

and she's heard him talking in my room. None of that happened. Of course. Right. And I go to work in the morning. I don't open my blinds. I come home from work. It's dark.

I don't open my shades. Right. And most of the time she was gone anyway, so I don't leave my windows open. She's just starting trouble, basically. So she sent that to him. And he didn't know how to tell me because he knows I'm very sensitive. And so that night, prior to telling me the next day, he said, Honey, can I have Jennifer's phone number?

Because he wanted to call my daughter, Jennifer, to see how was he going to handle telling me this without me having a stroke. And he's on good terms with her. With my daughter, yes. So I found that, I thought, okay, well, that's fine. In case of emergency, you know, my diverticulitis, I could have a heart attack. So, go ahead. Let me ask you a question.

What's Linda's cell, her phone number? I don't have my glasses, so you're going to have to read it. Okay. context okay sorry seven two seven two seven six four three oh six all right um I believe that because I usually date them because she used to change her phone

number all the time so um phone or we can go to also we go to messages and then we can see there because yeah I have two alunos there so we'll go to the message and this is my This is her. So if that number matches, then that's the correct one. 727-276-4306. Is that what you have? Yeah. All right.

So, Mary Beth, you understand what you did, what you guys did was wrong. Yes, sir. I am okay I am going to arrest you we're bound by this, this is serious business we've taken everything into account about what's going on here

so we got a full picture, which is what we wanted but in the end we actually had no choice about that so he's very correct about that so how this all shakes out down the road I do not know that but as it stands right now you can see where we're kind of ethically and morally bound

although I get what you're saying so it's not like it fell on deaf ears I understand that but it may have to be decided by somebody other than us sitting in this room you understand that we all may be agreeing on some things in here but we're all we don't get to make that decision so that's why I started explaining to you so just so you know

what's happening so I have some paperwork to do and from here you are going to go to jail no it's not alright we understand that we've been honest here so I think it's only fair

we tell you the truth we should not do that that's fair are you arresting her well I am we're going to talk to her I'm surprised you didn't speak with her first so

this is what we're going to do alright unfortunately I am going to be placing you under arrest alright go ahead and stand It's okay. We're not worried about you. Just relax. You're going to be hanging out.

You're going to be sitting back down. No, I'm going to faint. I want you to sit back down. I want you to faint. Okay. Just sit back down. You're not carrying anything, obviously. You haven't purged anything. It's just your phone and your keys.

to answer your question yes we're very thrilled so yes we'll be talking to her and getting our own conclusion about how that's going to go so if you think that she's walking away from this that's not going to happen do I contact my daughter Yeah, we'll get that all. We'll get that all going. So, yes, you're going to be in for a few moments. We'll work some of these things out.

I can't work my rules. Okay. I will make you take them off. No, we can, we'll make arrangements for this. He just hit me with his key and I don't have it in my pocket to be embarrassed and just let him know. So, we'll get that handled. you're only handcuffed because we have to do it do I think you're going to be any different than you are no that's not going to happen we both know that pardon me

you're only handcuffed because we have to do it do I think that you're going to do something wrong no we both know that's not going to happen so that's what I was trying to tell you I've never been in jail well like I said your sister's not going to go unscathed that would be unfair

and not right so she probably will have a slightly different attitude about this I guess based on what you've told me you said that she's not a very nice person so she may take this much differently than you did well you're going to get a whole different story well

we'll kind of wander through that then we're good in detecting but there was only the two of us I understand but sometimes we put things together like what makes sense what doesn't make sense and that type of thing so we'll figure it out so we like i said we can tell who's telling the truth and who's not telling the truth so

she may try to do that but in the end it's not gonna matter for her so very unfortunate but like i said you understand so I'm very sorry oh I understand you're in you're in a difficult position we understand that the way that you laid it out to us is the way it was I'm certain of that so I didn't change anything no not at all okay he's gonna do a little paperwork here you're gonna sit here just for a few moments you're good can I didn't hear that. Can I sit back?

Go ahead. You got about three or four inches of seat there where you can lean back. Yeah, well, my knees. You said you had bad knees and stuff? If you want to put it on there, or you want it on this, or no? Okay. What's on here? Anything just to protect you?

That's fine. Okay. We'll be right outside here, so. I don't have my glasses on, so you have to bear with me, all right? Yes. Just make this a little bit more comfortable. I'm going to take both of these off because I can't really see what's going on back here. Okay, put your hands on the front.

Roll it out of there, you're good. All right, let's get your hands on the front so you can sit down. I'm going to put these on loose so they'll kind of crank out a little bit. Okay, I'll give you some more of that, okay? Oh, God. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. Did your sister have a car?

Did you drive at all? um what i was trying to tell you was that she um i don't she they found out with her other eye supposedly that um she was going blind in it okay but so she she had a car and she sold it and i think she's been driving uh ted's car what does he have or do you know he has um i think an suv maybe i don't know what kind it is okay however um i think he was able to go back to the condo after they released him he does have an ankle bracelet right but i think he would he got i think he got the um his his vehicle vehicle so he may be in the wind for all we know they may know well i think he has a court date coming up so he's going to

um i think they're going to allow him to go back to north carolina okay now she doesn't have her car but i don't know if she's gone out and bought a car she may have gone out and bought a car you But I haven't spoken to her since last, I think, last Thursday. Okay. All right. So last Thursday. So I don't know. We'll get to the bottom of that then.

Okay. Thank you very much. Yeah. Oh, God. Practice. Practice. Forces. Forces.

Practice. Forces. Okay. And how tall are you? Five-six. Okay. Roughly how much do you weigh? Five-six.

Five-six. Okay. Okay. Roughly how much do you want it? 141. Bring it back here. Okay. 141.

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