Crimeatorium - The State of Florida vs. Laurie Shaver | The Murder of Michael Shaver | Part 6

Episode Date: October 4, 2026

Onn November 2015, Michael Shaver, a Disney World employee and father of two, seemingly vanished from his Florida home. His wife, Laurie, told friends and family that he had abandoned them and started a new life. But as the years passed without anyone seeing or speaking to Michael, questions began to mount.When a concerned friend finally contacted authorities, investigators turned their attention to the Shaver property, where a disturbing discovery would transform a missing-person investigation into a murder case.What followed was an extraordinary trial involving conflicting accounts, accusations of deception, and testimony that would leave jurors with difficult questions about what really happened to Michael Shaver.In this eight-part condensed courtroom series, Crimeatorium takes you inside the trial of Laurie Shaver through carefully selected testimony, evidence, and courtroom proceedings. Follow the prosecution and defense as they present their cases..New episodes of this series will be released every Thursday and Sunday. Look for Part 7 this Thursday October 8.If you’d like to support Crimeatorium and help fund its research and production, visit crimeatorium.com/support.Music:CO.AG Music https://www.youtube.com/@co.agmusic1823If you have a case suggestion for Crimeatorium, please send it to [e-mail]

to true crime stories with crime atro ron. Ms. Schaever, please state and spell your full legal name. My name is Isabel Schaver. I-S-A-B-E-L-E-S-H-A-V-E-R. How old are you, Isabel? I'm 15. I turned 16 this Sunday. It's your desire to testify in this matter, correct? Yes, sir.

You're aware of the arrest of your mother. correct yes sir now is about just allegations raised for the ground so to speak that you've been brought in here kind of thrown under the bus has anybody pressured you to testify in this cause absolutely not no now there was miss johnson was appointed as an attorney ad litem to represent you correct did you meet with miss johnson yes you discuss your case with miss johnson I did. Did Ms. Johnson go over all the rights that you would waive by testifying in this case? Yes, sir.

Is it still your desire to testify? Yes. Do you understand your obligation to testify truthfully? I do. Are you going to testify truthfully? I'm going to testify truthfully. Would you explain your relationship to Lori Schaefer? Lori Shaver is my mother.

me and her are very close we we've always been very close she's I mean we do everything together we're I mean I don't know she's like my best friend

and a mom in one Isabel you met me some time ago correct right? Correct met me at her about the time

of your mother's arrest right yes I had did I not a brief discussion with you we did yes and upon that brief discussion

we had requested that Ms. Johnson be appointed, correct? Correct. Now, if I ask you any questions you do not understand, would you please ask me to rephrase the question, repeat the question, or try to ask the question in a different way? Yes. Do you recall your father? Yes.

His name? Michael Shaver. What was your relationship like with Michael Shaver? We didn't really have it. much of a relationship. He wasn't very present. He worked at night. And so he slept all day during the day. And anytime he was home, we weren't really allowed outside of our rooms. We didn't have a relationship really. He really wasn't a father to me. Was the atmosphere calm? How would you describe the household?

It was very combative. It was very tense. There was a lot of tension constantly. It's not calm. It was the complete opposite of calm. Nobody, whenever he was home, it was just, I mean, it was scary. It was like, I don't know, we were just stuck in our rooms all day. And, like, whenever we weren't, it was just, he was very aggressive. And he, we just, we didn't have that type of relationship.

No, it wasn't a calm household. You see any alter, without talking about the facts of any of that. Did you see any altercations between Michael and your mother? I did, yes. Were they frequent? Yeah, yeah. They were pretty frequent. Were they physical?

Yes. So speaking about household events, you had a slogan that it was an atmosphere that was tense, I believe? Mm-hmm. Yes. I've shown you a couple plus an exhibit. It has six fun for us. Did you see your mom in that same or similar condition on multiple occasions? Yes.

Or that's true and accurate to fiction, so you frequently observed your mom. Without speaking about the events themselves, did those images and mental impressions in your mind cause you to feel the need to take your mother's sigh at any time? Yes. I mean, look at her. Did it cause you, Isabel, to step up in the past on more than one occasion inside with your mother? Yes.

And the pictures that you looked at, who committed those injuries to your mother? My father. Josh, we asked that this exhibit, this trial in the incident, without testimony, best of the events, be evidentive to evidence and published in the jury. How is the exhibit identified what letter marking? It is in Bravo. Any objection from the state? No, Judge. This, Belle, I'm showing you what's marked in.

Defense you did it see for identification. He said. Would you tell the jurors what you're looking at? I see my father, so the torn shirt and blood. Stick up, please. I'm sorry. I see my father, and he has a torn shirt and blood. Who's blood, that?

I mean, I'm assuming his. Says? Maybe. Now, the photos you look at in Chesa to briefly. Is this the individual that would do that? It's safe.

Can you want to step back? We move defense to evidence at this time, Judge. Yeah. Isabel. How frequently would those events occur? Without Speaking of details of the events.

It would happen pretty often. They'd at least argue and fight really bad, pretty much on the daily. But it would escalate to those points a few times a month. Like it wasn't a rare occurrence. Like it happened often. And as a matter of those events, I may have asked this question before, did you feel a need to attempt to protect your mom in any fashion? I did, yes.

Did you perceive your mother as a victim through those events? Yes. Those that response that transpired at you, did it become a natural and automatic response? You talked about the feeling inside of yourself, of the need to protect your mother. Did that become automatic inside? Yes, it did. growing up, I mean, yeah, I've always stepped in for my mother. I was, I mean, I would, you know, do whatever I could do.

I mean, I remember I had this stuffed animal, and her name was Lammy, and she was my favorite stuffed animal. And he used to, you know, she would go to sleep on the couch, and because he would drug her water, and I would tuck her in, and I would, like, get from my stuffed animal to protect her. And obviously it's not, it's just such an animal, it's not going to protect her, but it was just like the act and the principle of it. Was there a period of time when your father was removed from the residence? Yes, there was. Father removed from the residence on the case.

Yes. As a consequence of these events? Yes. And during the period or the absence of your father, did your mother start dating anybody? After he had been removed for a while, she did start dating Jeremy. Okay. What was Jeremy's last name? Townsman. I don't think I know his last name. It's something like that. Okay. How often would Jeremy come to the residence?

He was over all the time. I mean, he came over for holidays. He was there for my brother's birthday. His son went to the same school as me and my brother, so he would meet up at our house every day. before we go to school, and he was at the school for all, like, the plays, the events, all that type of stuff. He was over all the time. Would he come in the morning? Yeah, morning, night. Would you ever spend the night there? Yes.

Would y'all go to places with Mr. Townsend or Jeremy? Yes, we would. Was he there for Christmas? Not Christmas Day, but Christmas Eve. Was he there for any other holidays or special events? He was there for my brother's. birthday. I don't really remember any other holidays, but I know he was there for my brother's birthday and Christmas. Do you remember going shopping or out on the town with Mr. Townsend?

Yeah, we used to go to the Chick-fil-A a lot, that one of the ones would like the playgrounds, and we'd go with his son and then me and my brother. We did that a lot. Do you know if Mr. Townsend or Jeremy was married? I don't think so. Isabel. I'm sorry. I have to. I have to. have to do this. Let's talk about Michael, your father. Do you know anything about the death of your father? I do. Do you know anything about how your father died? I do.

Could you tell the jury? So it was a school day and I'm sorry. And he... First, let's relax, go slow, make sure the jury understands the events, okay? Okay. It was a school morning. Me and my brother were getting ready for school. He hadn't been at the house for a while. He was kicked out and moved.

And me and my brother went separate rooms where we had pretty much been ready for school. I was, I knew my breakfast and I was watching TV. We had these like little plastic tables in our rooms. And I was watching TV and I heard arguing. Initially I thought it was a TV. And then I was like, no, that's not the TV. So my room, it was my room, and then it had a bathroom and then a spare room. And so they all connected to each other, like through the bathroom.

It was almost like a little like pathway. And so I heard, you know, the fighting and the yelling and it escalated. So I went, I always, when I was let I would go through there to like sneak around. And I opened the spare room door. And in front of the spare room door was the dining room. and in the dining room there was a glass door, like a sliding glass door. So I opened the door to the spare room, and I stood there, and I saw my father, and he wasn't supposed to be there.

And my mom and my father were fighting, and my mom went to leave, like, leave the argument, leave the porch, they were out on the porch, and he pulled her by the arm, and he pulled her into her lap onto one of the porch chairs. And he held her there. And then she was like, we can work things out. Like, you know, we'll figure this out. It'll be different. And he was like, no, there's no next time.

There's no figuring it out. And he pushed her onto the ground. He pushed her onto the ground. And he started kicking her in the stomach and in the back. And then he took his other foot and he put it on the side of her face. and she was screaming and he was like saying there's not going to be another time and that he was going to kill her at this time and I heard my mom screaming for help obviously and then he put his foot on the side of her face and pushed it into the ground

and I didn't hear her anymore and sorry and so I went to my mom's room and I went at her table and I grabbed her gun and I grabbed her gun and I went back out and I went to the door the door was already open and he had my mom on the ground still still holding her to the ground still kicking her and and I shot him and nothing happened he he he didn't fall nothing happened and nothing happened and and And then Jeremy. Stop over this well. Okay, you said nothing happened. Was he sitting for a sit?

He was sitting in the chair. He was sitting in the chair. Red. You shot him. You know exactly what you shot? I'm not exactly sure. No. Okay.

Then you're shooting from the rear region? Where do you think you shot? I was aiming towards his head, but I'm not sure where the bullet went. bullet went. Okay. And what happened after you fired the gun? He was just sitting there. I mean, he wasn't moving. Nothing happened. There was no blood. There was no nothing. And then, um, okay. Let me interject here and there, if I may. Okay. Did you feel when you fired that shot, that that had to be done or he would have killed your mother? Yes, yes.

Firm on that? I'm firm on that. Was he using that type of force in your mind? Yes. Was necessary? Yes. Okay. What happened after you shot him, or you believe you shot him?

Afterwards, Jeremy came, and he... How long? It was right, like, right after it happened. Like, I hadn't even had a chance to walk away, moved nothing yet. And he came in, and he came in, and he did. took the gun from me and then he shot him again and that's when he fell to the ground and um my mom had crawled away he fell to the ground and we shot him um he took um he told us he told my mom to take us out of the house take us to school and that we needed to leap we're not to tell

anybody we can't tell nobody we can't call the cops we can't say anything or else he going to do the same thing to me and my brother and he was going to you know hurt us too so we went to school okay so you leave the residents go to school when you get to school what happens we get to school um i mean nothing really happened at school i would say i was most definitely in shock but at the same time it was like because those types of events happen often. I was very used to like, you know, like the violence and seeing things like that. And so I was still able to like perform normally at school and just kind of, I mean, go about my day, be at school.

What time did you get out of school? I was in elementary school, so I think around like three. Okay. When you came home, was Jay there? he yeah yes he was he was fixing um he was fixing the front door okay was there any evidence of your father in the residence no did jeremy make any mention about he'd take care of this or anything like that yeah um when he had told my mom to take us um take us out of the house and you know he told us, you know, not to tell anybody. He said that he would be the, he would take care of it.

Okay. There was a period of time, I understand, where y'all were intended to build a duck pond, correct? Correct. Tell me about the duck pond and what the plan was there. So we had, like, a bird farm. We had a bunch of different birds, and we needed, like, a place for the ducks.

So we built, like, this big, like, whole pond-shaped thing, like kind of like an artificial pond. And I remember me and my brother, we got these like little like red plastic shovels. And I mean, we were going to dig the hole, make the pond. And that was like the intended use for it. Did you guys finish it or? No. No, we never ended up finishing it.

We ended up later on turning it to a fireplace. Okay. Had there been previous discussions you were going to put a fireplace when you abandoned the duck pond? I mean, yeah, once we decided we weren't going to do the duck ponds, we were thinking about either doing a fireplace or like a pool. Okay. After this happened at the house, what happened to a bomb and Jeremy? They broke up. I mean, the last time that he, I mean, like, that they were really like together together, I guess was the day my dad died.

They broke up, so obviously they stopped seeing each other. but he would come like he would I remember one time we were out of light like a stoplight and he like pull up next to our car this happened on multiple occasions and he would like scream at us from his car like tell us the roller one no doubt I remember we were going to this publics and he would follow us through the store to try and like talk to us and then we switched publics to a different publics he came to that one too I remember he came to us in Walmart one time he was driving by our house trying to, you know, talk to us, talk to my mom. When was the last time that Jeremy drove by the residence that you can recall? At our old house, it was quite a while ago, but he has, we've moved since then, and he has driven by the house we're living at now. When was the last time, you think? How many months ago? It wasn't too long ago, probably less than a year ago.

Did you have on the property a blue tarp? And by that, I mean, the type of tarp you see sometimes put over roofs if there's a league or to cover a boat or an item. No. Did you have, you know, sometimes you see on boats or other items straps to hold it down? Did you all have any of those on the property? No. Frank Merritt, you know, you recall Frank Merritt? No.

You ever go to a tractor? show? Yes. Yeah. Was there a man, Frank Merritt, present that you recall? Yeah, we did go. I mean, that's Frank Marathon, yes. Did you, do you recall leaving the tractor show early or anything like that? Yes, I was really, really sick that day, and it was really, really hot. I'm really sensitive to the heat. And I have... Let me interrupt you there. Do you have any health issues? Yeah, I have, like, autoimmune issues. Any arthritis or other issues? I mean, I think it's arthritis. We're still trying to figure out what it is.

They just have diagnosed me with hypermobility for now. Robert Marcado. Yes. Did you ever observe Mr. Marcado coming to the house to remove your father because of an injunction or any reason? Yes. During that event, did you see your mom waving a gun at him or anything like that? No. Scott Amatuccio.

How often would Mr. Oman? Tuchio come to the residence. He wouldn't come over that often because he did live far. Wilma Nichols. Do you know a Wilma Nichols? Our neighbor? Okay. Did Mr. Nichols come by and socialize with y'all at all? No. We've hung out with her probably once when we first moved there.

I'd started this with a discussion about your mom being arrested. Do you feel that it's imperative that you step up and tell this jury what happened? I do think it's important that I mean I say what happened, yes. And everything that you've testified before this jury, is it true and is it accurate? Yes. No embellishment? No. Nobody pressured you?

No. And you've had your own advice of counsel, correct? Correct. Thank you. That's all I have. Thank you. All right. Thank you.

All right, State. Okay, sir. May it please court? Yes, sir. Ms. Shaver, you need to have it? No, I'm okay. You said your birthday's coming up and you're about to turn 16? Mm-hmm.

And I'm not trying to pick on you, but these microphones and the recordings are recording everything, sometimes it's hard to understand mm-hmms and uh-huhs and things like that. So as much as possible, try to remember to say yes and no. Okay. If you say it, because we all do, I'll probably correct you. And it's just to make sure the record's clear. Okay. All right. Now, the events that we are talking about, obviously, are some much longer ago. Correct?

Correct. All right. We're talking about stuff that happened in 2015, 2016, correct? Right. And some of this stuff that you've talked about is even older than that. Right. And so when we are talking about timeframes in November of 2015, how old would you have been then? 2015 so I would have been awful at math oh my gosh

six and seven years old sounds out right okay okay yeah and there's obviously been a long passage of time since that is that a yes yes sorry sorry that's okay now it's fair to say that you don't want anything bad to happen to your mom correct you said you're very close to your mom she's like your best friend

yes that you definitely want your family to stay together. Yes, correct. Yes. I want to talk to you before we start talking about the event that led to your mother's arrest, I want to talk to you about some of the other stuff that you had mentioned. At one point, you said that your dad would drug your mom to put her to sleep. Do you remember saying that?

I do. Okay. During the course of this case, You've actually been talked to by law enforcement, by the Children's Adney Center, and myself. That fair? Yes. And that interview with law enforcement would have been at the time of your mother's arrest in 2020. Okay.

Yes. Okay. And then you went to the Child Advocacy Center and were asked questions about things that were going on a few months after that, correct? Yes, correct. And then the deposition where I asked you questions about this was in this calendar year, 24. Yes. And there are going to be some times that I'm going to go ahead and refer to those various statements. And I've got the transcripts of them so you can review them if it helps refresh your memory. All right? Have you reviewed any of those? Yes. And previously when you talked about

the allegations about your dad, quote, drugging your mom, you were five years old at that point, correct? I believe so. Okay. And what you described is you would see him put some sort of powder and a drink and give it to her. Yes. Okay. But when asked what he put in the drink, you didn't know, correct? All right. And you didn't know what it was.

I don't. You don't know where he would get it. No. And quite frankly, you have no idea what he was putting in that drink. Yeah. Okay. But you don't know where it is or where it came from? I don't.

All right. Now, the morning that your father was killed, you are saying that he was not living at the house at the time, correct? Correct. And previously you had stated that the last time he had lived at home was before you were in second grade. Do you remember saying that? Yeah. Is that accurate? I would say first, second grade-ish.

Okay. So you hadn't lived at home at all since you were in first or second grade. Yeah. All right. And you were in third grade during the 2015-2016 calendar year, correct? I think so. Do you need to think about it a little bit or you already were good with that? Yeah, I mean, I'm not, I'm not sure what grade I am wasn't.

I did two grades over the summer, so it kind of makes it a little. Okay. Now, if your school records indicated you were in third grade in the school year of 2015, 2016, you would be, you would be. Yeah, no, I'm not, yeah, I'm just, yeah. So second grade would be the 2014, 2015 calendar year. Okay. Is that correct? All right.

So you're saying that he had not lived with you since before August or September of 2014. Yes. And the event that we're here to talk about, you don't know what grade you were in when that happened, right? I don't. Okay. You don't know who your teacher was when this happened, correct? Correct. You don't know what month this happened in, correct?

Correct. You don't know what year this happened in, correct? Yes. You can't think of any holidays that this event was near, correct? Not usually holidays, but like birthdays. I know it was, I'm pretty sure it was after my brother's birthday. I would say probably spring, summer,ish. Okay.

And previously you had said you thought it was spring or summer because you had recently been to the beach. Yes. Okay. And so that's in keeping with your brother's birthday? Yes, his birthday's April 1st. And when you say spring or summer, what do you mean by? that. Like, I mean, anywhere between spring or summer. I mean, that was so long ago. I understand. Let me try to ask a better question. I may think spring starts in March. You may think

spring starts in May. So when you say spring, what month, like, what months are we talking about here when you're saying spring or summer? Probably starting in like April, May. I feel like that's one like the school year ends is like May, so like that would be almost summer. And when would summer end to you? August, September. So this event that led to you getting a gun, shooting at your father, having him eventually filled in front of you, and then being threatened, having your life threatened, the best you can come up with as far as when this happened is sometime in some year between April and August.

Yes. The day that this happened, the events that you have described, all happened in between the time frame that you woke up and went to school that day, correct? Correct. And that would be from 7 o'clock in the morning until about 8 o'clock in the morning, correct? Yeah. And what you are saying happened is that your father showed up unannounced sometime in that time frame, correct?

Correct. You're saying that he hadn't lived there. since 2004, since about August of 2014, when was the last time that you had seen him prior to him showing up and having this confrontation with your mother? Last time I saw him. I don't remember the exact day or anything. I mean, I remember, like, certain memories

because they weren't good days. Like, they, you know, have bad events happen on those days. Because, I mean, like I said, this was so long ago, so I don't remember just, like, you know, days. I just remember like those bad events that took place. Okay. In relation to the time that you saw your father filled in front of you, how long had it been since the last time of you had to speak with your father?

I would probably say a few months. And you do not remember how he was dressed? I believe he's wearing a pair of shorts. Okay. Do you remember previously when I asked you that question in a deposition saying something different? What did I? What? Would it help refresh your member?

if I showed you your transcript. Yes. Showing you your deposition, page 37. And line 9. I'd read to yourself the question on what is 7 and 8, and then your response? I said I don't remember, yeah. And I also just said that I'm not sure, but I think it was short. I understand.

I just want to make sure when I asked you these questions previously this year, you didn't remember that. Right. Okay. And there's obviously pictures of his dead body wearing shorts. Did you review that before your testimony changed? No. Okay. So he shows up.

You haven't seen him in a long time. An argument starts out on the back porch between your mother and father. Correct. You went out and saw them arguing. Yes. Yes. Okay. I believe the way you described it is, and if I have the time frame that this has happened, please correct me.

but he was sitting in a chair and his foot was on your mother's head, correct? Correct. And you described how he was, it's going to be difficult, kicking her with his other foot, correct? Yeah, it started out with him kicking her in the stomach, in the back, then she was screaming. So then he put his other foot on her head to stop her from screaming, pushing his head, pushing her head into the ground, basically like suffocating her, choking her. And he continued to kick, but obviously because he's using his other foot now, it wasn't as strong of a kick. As you described it, he's sitting here with one foot not on her neck on the side of her head. Yes, correct.

If you're in the back, it's hearing her in the stomach. Yes. You go back in the house, correct? Correct. You had a phone, I believe you described it as an emergency device that you could call 911. in the house, correct? Correct. You did not call 911,

correct? Correct. And you stated you were never taught how to call 911, correct? Correct, but that's not the reason why we didn't call 911. Okay. You go into your mother's room, correct? Correct. And you go to her end table.

Yes, correct. And you get her pink and black gun. Correct. showing you what's been previously underbed into evidence. It states 26. You recognize this firearm? That's not the gun. Okay, so she had a different pink of black gun?

Yes. How many pink of black guns did she have? I mean, I'm assuming too. I'm not sure. We had a lot of guns in the house. Okay. So you grabbed some other... How do you know that's not the white gun then?

Because the one that I used was not entirely. It was black, and then the... handle was pink. Okay. So you grabbed her other pink and black gun. Yes. And then you go back outside. Yes. And at that point, your father is still sitting in that chair. Yes. His foot on her head. Yes. Is you still kicking her? No. What's he doing? Yeah, I mean, he's just kind of yelling at her, like holding her to the ground with his foot, foot. And he's saying like, you know, he's going to kill her it's the last time like they're not working it out because yeah she's on her side she's on her side she's facing so her stomach would be facing towards him okay and what was she going um being held to

the ground was she struggling yes she was trying to call for help and scream and then he he pinned her to the ground with his foot yes she can't get out no so you take your mom's other pink and black gun and from about five to ten feet away, you shoot it. Correct. And you shoot him in the back of the head? I think so, yes. Do you ever remember saying that you shot him in the back of the head? Yes.

Okay. So previously before today, you definitively said I shot him in the back of the head, correct? Correct. But that's changed to now. I mean, no, not necessarily. Like, I shot him in the back of the head. I don't know where the bullet went, but that's where I was aiming. that's where I'm pretty sure it hits.

Okay. You hit him? Yes, I think, yes. Okay. And when you hit him, today you said he just sat there, correct? Yeah, he sat there and he's like shaped. Okay. I want to make sure that was clear because you didn't say that on direct.

He was almost like seizing, correct? Yeah. All right. He didn't get up. He didn't move. He didn't try to run. Exactly. Yeah.

Okay. So clearly you hit him. Yeah. All right. And then pretty much simultaneously. to you shooting your dad in the back of the head, you're saying, Jeremy just happened to show up. Like I said, he came there every single morning before school. This was right before school. We already had her clothes on. We were in the middle of eating. Like, we were about to leave for school.

Like, he was there. He came before school. He would come to your house every day before school so that your mom could then take you to school? I mean, he would come with us. They would hang out. His son went to school there. Okay. Now, after he arrives, while your dad is shaking and, as you described, basically seizing in the chair, at this point, the amount of pressure he's putting on your mom's head has released. Is she able to get up? Yeah, she crawls away. She doesn't stand up immediately.

Okay. But you're saying Mr. Townsend came over and took your mom's other pink and black gun from you. The same one I had, yes. And shot him again. Yes. Where? In the head. Okay.

And at that point, he turns around and threatens you and your brother that he's going to kill you as well. Not immediately after he has the gun in his hand. He helps my mom up. And he tells us to my mom to take us to school. We need to leave the house. And so, I mean, that's when he lets us know, like, no calling the cops. like I will do the same thing to you that I did to your father, basically, saying he will hurt us, he will come after us, he will kill us if we say anything.

That shot him in the head. Yes, first. Okay. And so your mom actually went ahead and took you to school after this? Yes. Okay? Dropped you off like nothing was wrong. I mean, I asked us, go to school.

We were in the car and she asked if we wanted to go to school if we were comfortable, and I said yes. Okay. and you said that you didn't talk to anybody at the school about anything or didn't react at all at the school about anything because as you said, this was normal. No, I mean, I said that I was in shock, but I did not mention this to anybody as I was just threatened not to mention it to anybody. No, it wasn't normal to see somebody die, but having these type of experiences where there's a lot of violence in the house, there's a lot of, like, I mean, trauma and fear. that was normal to experience that and then go to school afterwards. But what she said on direct was you were able to go to school and function just fine. Yes.

This was normal. Yes. No one had ever been taken to the hospital before in any sort of incident between you and her mom, correct? Correct. No one had ever been seriously injured in any incidents before where they required medical attention, correct? Correct. And certainly nobody ever died, correct? Now, today you said when you returned from school, Jeremy Townsend was still at your residence.

He was. He was fixing the front door. And do you remember previously during your deposition saying that after this happened and you went to school, you never saw Jay back at the house again? Do you remember saying that? Yes, after that day, yes. What I'm saying is after you went to school, you never saw Jeremy back at the house again. Today you're saying when you got back. back from school, he was there. Yes, he was there. What I'm asking is, do you remember saying something? I do remember saying that.

Okay. You described Jeremy as coming over and spending the night at the house, not every day, but quite a few days out of the week. That was normal, correct? Correct. When you got back from school that day, you did not notice any changes to the property, correct? Correct.

You did have a huge hole in the backyard, as you described, which was going to be a duck pond, correct? Correct. Had that been filled in? I don't know no no no it wasn't okay and that was the area that was eventually turned into the cement slab correct? Uh huh. Is that yes?

Yes. That's okay. Since you sat there, shot your father in the back of the head, uh, and were threatened by Mr. Townsend with your life, um, you have only once been taken to any sort of counselor or any sort of therapy, correct? That is correct. And that was actually. sometime this year close in time to your death.

Actually, no, that's not correct. I think I went when I was little. Me and my brother went. I think it was at a church. I'm not entirely sure if it's classified as counseling and therapy, but it was pretty much. Let me ask this. Did your mom ever take you to see a counselor

to deal with any of the trauma that you, first of all, witnessed right in front of you, but also participated in by shooting or father. I mean, yes, I did go to counseling. When? I think it was probably in this past year, maybe a little bit longer ago. But I, yeah.

And that was one time. Yes. Okay. And that was this year. I don't know if it was this year. I think it was the year before. Okay. It was, yeah.

When you shot your dad, that was back in an unknown year sometime between April and August, correct? Correct? Yes. And there was probably at least five years, if not more, because this case has been pending for four years, between any counseling that your mom brought you to, correct? Yes. Correct. And the counseling that I went to, it was literally like only one time. Like it was literally only for an evaluation, like no more. Yeah. Okay. We previously spoke about the different times you've talked, talked about this event, either with law enforcement, the Child Advocacy Center, or during the deposition. that I asked you questions. I'm going to ask you some things about how your stories changed over that period of time. Okay. When your mom was arrested, you spoke with Detective Tammy Dale at your home, correct?

Correct. And at that time, you said the last time you saw your dad, he worked at an airport, correct? I think so. Maybe, yeah. And you said, and this was in 2020, the last time you saw him was a few years ago. Yeah. Okay. But 2020 was also four years ago, which was a lot closer to the last time I had seen him.

Right. So your memory would be better then. Yeah. Okay. And at that time, she asked you, do you know what happened to him? And you said, I have no clue. Correct. Right. All right. You also said, I don't know. He just left. Correct. And the detective asked you if you ever asked your mom where he was. Do you remember that? I guess.

And your mom told you she doesn't know because he doesn't talk to us, correct? Correct. You also went to the child advocacy center to be interviewed that same year. That would have been December of 2020, correct? Correct. And during that time when you were interviewed, you stated the last time you remember seeing him was when he was arrested in 2014, correct? Correct. And asked if he came back to the house after that, you said, I don't know.

Correct. Correct. And those pictures that you looked at, when were they? The ones that Jeff showed, Mr. Wigg showed me. Yeah. You refer to him by his first name? I do sometimes, yeah. It's not on purpose.

It's not to be disrespectful or anything. Clearly, talk to him a few times. I talked to him a few years ago, and I didn't tell him the full story. It was kind of just me saying a little bit about my side, and that's when I got my attorney, Miss Kelly. I'm sorry. I sidetracked you there. Do you remember when those photos that he showed you were? I don't remember necessarily when they were, like the time period or anything. Did you see how they happened? I believe those ones, I don't know exactly what event that one was from.

Because like I said, there was a lot of events like that. And they all, not all, but most of them ended in like kind of the same, like, like physically like harm you know what I mean so I don't know which one that one belonged to and we're talking about physical harm we're talking about bruises on the arm correct bruising blood yeah okay but the blood that you said you saw in the picture was your dad's blood I think so I don't know okay when at the CAC interview when they asked you you had already said that the last time you remembered seeing him when he was arrested in 2014 and then asked if he ever came back to the house after that, you said, I don't know. Correct?

Correct. And then specifically you were asked. So you did not see anything that happened that would have made you have an idea of what happened to him, and you said no. Correct? Correct. One moment. Nothing further, Judge. All right. Thank you, sir. Mr. Wiggs. It is just briefly, Judge. Yes, sir. Isabel, there's been a discussion about the guns and multiple guns that. at the house. Correct. Yeah. Tell us about the atmosphere and the amount of guns that you all had

in the household. Um, so we talked about my mom's guns. Go slow when the jury can understand you. Okay. Um, we also had in the living room, we had this really big mirror, like huge. And it was on the wall, it was like latched onto the wall by like these, so like it could like flip up like this. And so, So behind it was, I want to say like a hole, but it wasn't really a hole. It was kind of like this really deep, like divot in the wall. And there was like a rack. Then he stored his guns there. So you could, like, the wall, and then the mirror lifted up, and there was like guns on the wall.

Okay. So there had, there were numerous guns within the residence. Is that fair to say? Yes, sure. The question is, is the juries may wonder, how did you learn to fire a hand? My dad. He was obviously very interested in guns. So he did hunting a lot. We had five acres of land. So we had a lot of space to do the guns. And so he always taught us like gun safety or whatever and would take us outside to shoot the guns. Was that a routine thing? Yeah, we did it quite often.

Okay. So did you have any trouble or difficulty in pulling the hammer or the, on the, on, the gun. I mean, it was kind of difficult. I had to use like two hands. Pardon? It was kind of difficult. I had to use like two hands to pull the trigger back. Okay. Mr. Wiggs at this time, does your client wish to testify? Yes, she does, John. Okay. Is there anything further before you bring the jurors in? Yes, Your Honor. The testimony of fish shaper as it relates to any sort of other acts by her, the his husband needs to be limited to things that Isabel had knowledge about and was aware of. The only thing that matters as it relates to the prior acts go to what was reasonable for the

person acting in defense of others at that time. So the defendant is unable to come up and just testify about all sorts of other things Mr. Schaever may have done to her over the course of their relationship due to the fact that if Isabel Schaeber did not observe it, and we've heard for what her testimony is at this point, it's not relevant to the state of mind of the person acting in defense of others. So the state would move in limine to to make sure that any sort of testimony of any acts by Michael Schaever upon Lori Schaver would be confined to the things that have already been testified to about what which the person who shot had knowledge of about, which at this point is pretty much limited to the 2014 incident and general discussions of just fighting,

and there has been very, very limited discussions of physical abuse. There have been allegations referred to in other documents of being locked in closets and sexual battery and states of that, nature and as there's no testimony from the person who shot as to knowledge about any of those things and why they acted in defense of others, any testimony about that would be your own. Judge, this child just testified that she saw a repeated acts that impacted her mentally. Now, I know the court has directed we not go into details on events, but I think it's appropriate to talk about circumstances of events. that may have impacted the child

without still going into details. The child testified there was a monthly issue all the time. Stress batteries, events like that. I think that's appropriate to touch on but not go into specific details and that I think is your order. I'll allow it to that extent.

Yes. And I just say, you know, I don't oppose counsel interjection or even the court interjection if you feel it's getting a little outside of where you want it to be. All right, anything further? All right, let's call the jury.

Hey, see it. I see it all of the members. The jury have returned after our comfort break. Please proceed. May it please the court? Yes, sir. The defense would call Lori Shaver. Ms. Filmer, would you state your name for the record, please?

Lori Filmer, previously known as Lori Shaver. Big day in your life, isn't it? Big week. It's been several years, hasn't it? Ms. Filmer, let's tell me when you're ready, okay? Would you tell the jury who you are and how you met Michael Schaever? I met Michael. We started dating in seventh grade.

We went, we lived in a very small town in Lawrence, New York. Our school was K through 12, 500 kids. Our graduating class was like 14, 18 kids. I went to kindergarten. I met Michael in tech class when they actually did tech class in seventh grade. We reached a period of time where y'all elected to get married, correct? Yes. Do you remember when that was?

May of 2016? Okay. And at some point in time, you all ended up migrating to the state of Florida. Yes. Okay. And do you remember approximately when that was? I graduated in 2001. That's college. So Mike was a dropout. He got his GED. He wanted to become a pilot. Didn't have much funding for that. My parents paid for it.

I went to school for business administration and focus in health service administration. So I was very socially awkward. Wasn't a popular kid in school. Okay. My brother, one of my oldest brothers, I'm the youngest of five. One of my brothers got meningitis seven weeks. And he was severely mentally retarded. He got picked on a lot.

lot. So growing up in a small town that was not like acceptable way back then and I spent all my time in the handicapped classroom. And that was like not popular. I was an outcast. He used to get beat up on the bus and I would stick up for him. I met Mike and had gone to school with him, But in seventh grade in tech class, we became friends. He was an awkward kid as well because he was kind of like a troublemaker at that time. And I didn't have anybody. He didn't have anybody. We kind of clung together at that point.

Okay. So there's some period of time went by. Y'all got married. Ended up down here, correct? Yes. Mike wanted to be a pilot. couldn't do that or what? No, he did. Yep.

Okay. Did he... Did he fly commercial or was it a hobby? No, no. No, my parents helped him get his personal private pilots license. He wanted to go on and get his professional pilot license. My parents told him that if he was going to date me, he was going to get his GED and they would help him. he looked to his family to get assistance with that. He was denied. So it took some time.

It took a lot of time. But eventually he made his way. He started flying for Pan Am Flight Academy, which is the lower division of U.S. Airways out of New York City. Okay. Yep. He was doing good. So eventually you end up down here.

And my transgresses. into another occupation. How did that happen? Well, we first moved, so I worked for MetLife Disability. I worked for them for 15 years, corporate. I worked for them in office for four years. One Mike finally succeeded in everything. We were able to move. We moved to Florida, Fort Pierce, Florida, when I was seven weeks pregnant with Isabelle. We were there for about a year. We moved back to New York. We got hit with our first hurricane ever. It was kind of like a scary thing. We were top tier of an apartment building. A tree came in. We didn't know what to do. We packed up our stuff. We were back in New York three days later. Then after that, we were there

for about a year. I was still working for a met life. But at that time, work from home was kind of becoming popular and I was able to again move my work to Florida and he was we moved to Orlando right next to the airport and I was working from home had Isabel and he was commuting from Orlando to New York City on a weekly basis he was gone for a week's at a time okay what happened next in y'all's life there was a lot We just had each other. I don't know how else to explain it. We just had each other.

I was a single mom in a new place with no family, no friends. He was a pilot. He was gone all the time. There was no support from either family. Now, we heard from family in this case of Mike's come in, and they said, well, we haven't heard from them for this period of time or that period of time. Was he close with his family at all? No. No.

Do you ever visit them? Stacey? Yes. Did any of them ever visit your residence? Never. They didn't even come to the wedding. But when we were growing up through high school, we would go to Stacey's all the time. Christmas, Thanksgiving, birthdays. I knew Desiree. I knew Danny. And you know that.

Every time we would go over there and meet. You and Mike used to always get together and talk about how you're dead. Evaded the whole family. What was the next step in y'all's marriage? So from there, there was a lot of issues, a lot of issues. He was away, gone for over a week. I packed up Isabel, and we had play privileges. We could fly for free.

I packed her up. And when he was gone, took her to New York, where my family was, thinking I could get away, get support, file for it to work. Everything was good.

Rented a house. Everything was good. I was back working at MetLife in the office. My sister works there. She's actually the operations manager now. She's a nurse. She started her way down low. She was actually the most.

that got me the job, told me that they were through in this mass hiring. And now she's the operations manager of MetLife and Aristoteney. So I packed Isabella up, and she was just a little over a year old. We went there.

And, um... Or was Spike? Well, he was off on a business trip. But we had, back then, you used to have flying privileges. You could just you were just on standby. As long as you could just get on the plane. You could fly anywhere you wanted to for free back then.

So that's what I did. I got away. My sister was helping me. We got a house. We rented a house. Everything was like, all right, this is going to work. I was seeking attorney in New York filing for divorce. My mom, I went to, I started, I joined a gym, and I went to a spinning class one day.

I came home that night. My mom was watching Isabel. It was a baby. I went into the shower. When I came out, my mom was not there. I was greeted by a punch in the face. Excuse me. Okay.

Let's limit it without physical description. Okay. I was greeted by Michael. Okay. Three weeks later. All right. I was out of work for three weeks. And I was, we were all back in Florida three weeks after that.

And I was again working from home without my family, without any support. And we were living in Davenport, Florida at that time, Champions Gate area. Let's talk, let's transgress into a family environment. Did it ever develop Lori into an atmosphere? where there was tension, so to speak. There was always tension. Let's talk about the nature of the tension. One moment, please.

I know, wrong. No, sir. I don't want to see pictures. I'm showing when you become lost in the villages. I want you to look through this. That's number two. It was right down getting noise. I have the memories.

look at pictures. Without articulating the specific facts of those events. Did you suffer any injuries at the hands of Michael Shaver? Showing you the fence free with the location. Who's that? Who's in that photo? Michael. Who's blind? He's on that shirt. Michael. Was that across the quets of a golf between you and Michael Schaeber. Yes. When these incidents occurred, would these occur around the Ham family?

Yeah. And the occupants of that family? Sometimes. Pardon me? Sometimes, most of the time. I mean, he didn't hide it. Let's talk about your relationship with Isabel. What was your relationship like with Isabel?

Like, when she was younger or now? Well, when y'all were younger, did Isabel ever develop a feeling or a need to protect you? Did she demonstrate? Did she demonstrate? Isabel grew up really best.

She had to take care of, Aidan, and when I was not able to. As a consequence, these events? Yes. And even to this day, she still, I am not the person to, if you come at me with something, I don't have a comeback. I will shut down and I will just retreat. She's not that person. She will get right in front of me.

Whether we're at the gas station or grocery shopping, there used to be a time period where I could not even go into a grocery store by myself. Were there events wherein you were not free to leave the residence? Yes. Would anybody control your freedom of movement? Yes. Obviously, I've gained weight over the years, but my eating was controlled. I had anorexia and bulimia. I'm probably the way this, now what I did,

with all four my kids. But I literally reached for an Oreo one time and was thrown off couch. Now, at some point in time, Michael took a job at Disney, correct? Okay. Do you remember when that was? I don't remember the exact time when we had moved back from New York to Florida. That's kind of when the whole Disney thing came about. because he didn't want to leave me alone.

And, I mean, from my presumption, it was because he wanted to be around and, you know, made sure that nothing was going to happen. Or I wasn't going to leave. Was there any attempts to leave, Michael? Probably about eight. One moment. Showing you three documents. Do those pretend to Lori Schaefer,

Alex Wilm. Yes. Do those documents refer to Michael Schaes? Yes. To these documents pertain to any acts of violence protecting to Michael Schaeber? Yes. Do these documents pertain to injunctions for protection filed on your behalf against Michael Schaeber? Yes. And there was an additional filed by the state. Were those filed on your behalf as a consequence of violence and a feeling of a need for protection? Those three? Yes. Was Michael at points in times directed to reside outside of the residence? Yes, yes. By the courts? Yes. Okay. For the need for your protection? Yes. And were those injunctions issued as a consequence of violence. We've heard a lot of witnesses that have taken the stand in this case, correct?

We heard from a Mr. Amatuccio, correct? He represented, if I'm not correct, that he was Mike's best friend. He was not as an adult. Mr. Amatuccio took the stand and testified to this jury that he was Michael's best friend. Was Mr. Albatuccio at their house very often? No, he... Pardon me? No, he was not. Not after we all got married and had kids.

Mr. Merritt took the stand as well. Correct? Correct. And was it Mr. Merritt that declared he had gone to the truck show with y'all? Factor show. Okay. Did Mr. Merritt spend... time at the residence with you? Not very often. I probably seen him twice before that.

Okay. Now there was testimony about your mood or something out at the tractor show, correct? Were there any issues going on at the tractor show that the jury needs to know? Not prior. It was happening at the tractor show. What was happening? Isabel was not feeling well. She was getting sick to her stomach. She was getting dizzy. She was getting hot. She's not able to talk her body does not tolerate heat or cold. Like she becomes very flushed and sick and I wanted to leave because she was feeling sick and we were walking a very long time. I mean hours. And there was no stroller, nothing. I just wanted to leave for her. He did not want to leave. We were.

I guess the whole point was for us to go there to maybe get a mutual relationship with Frank and Rita. But she was sick. And I was, as a mom, I just wanted to leave because she was sick. And he didn't want to leave. I don't know how else to explain it. Okay. There was testimony about contacts with you and you represented that Michael, you believed he had left. or gone to a certain location, correct?

At what time period? It was a witness that testified that you had reported that he had gone to Georgia or New York or somewhere? I had received a message from Stacey. Who's Stacy? Who's Stacy? Her sister. Okay. She had contacted me saying that she hadn't heard from Michael.

And I told her I did not either. and she said, well, his mom is sick. So if you can, if you hear from him, or you can let, I said, if I hear from him, or I will let one of his friends know that his mom is sick so that they can relay the message. Frank Merritt came by. I told him that his mom was sick. So if he's seen him, to let him know. Frank Merritt was not close with us. So I never told him that he went to Georgia.

I said he went to go see his mom. Here is the misconception. His mom, Sharon Shaver, the one that was sick, lives in New York. Frank Merritt did not know the family well enough at that time. He automatically assumed, in my mind, that he went to Georgia to see his stepmom, Sharon Shaver. I say. I never made the statement he went to Georgia. I said he possibly could have went to go see his sick mom.

We also heard other witnesses testify, correct? There was testimony about a sale of guns. Correct. Now, my understanding, y'all had a relatively large cachet of guns around the house. Is that correct? Pardon me? Yes. Okay. Was Mike collecting guns? What was his?

He had a hobby of building them. I see. Okay. So Mike would build guns, sell them out on the market somewhere? For his friends or not one. He built him and would just keep him, collect them. Okay. And with regards to the guns, we heard Isabel testify that Mike had dealt with the guns and been training the kids how to fire guns. Yeah. They knew gun safety. Okay. Do he practice this with them? Yes, he did. Did Isabel know how to fire a gun?

Yes. Okay. Everybody did. We had the five acres. There was Target. We used to go to the gun range as well, but we taught them how to various guns, check to see if they were loaded, unloaded, how to fire. And he would have them walk around the house after.

Do they check to see if they were unloaded or whatnot walk around the house with them pointing down, teaching them not to point anybody? Even with Nerf guns, they were not allowed to point them at people, things like that. Okay. There came a period of time because of these injunctions that were filed that Michael was out of the house, correct? Yes. And there came a period of time you started dating other people. Correct. Was Mr. Bray?

Who was it that? Hello. Pardon me? Blue, wasn't it? Yeah. You dated Mr. Blue. Was he married or single? Not married.

Okay. Shall you date long? Okay. Did he have any issues with Michael? Yes. Then at some point in time, you met Jeremy Townsend, correct? Tell us how you met Jeremy.

Where are you met Jeremy? I met Jeremy at the school. At the school? Not at the park. Okay. He had like an opal color truck. I had a white truck. There was two lanes coming out.

And we were both there at the same time. This was the end of August. And he rolled down the passenger window and handed me a sticky note. And I grabbed it. And I said, I know what you're going through. I can help you. Call me. And he gave me his number.

Why would he suggest that? I had marks on my face. Okay. I wasn't, I mean, yeah. So did you call Mr. Townsend? I did. I went to, what is, the race track right there at the end of 33. And I called him.

Okay. Now, Mr. Townsend testified that this was kind of an informal relationship. He characterized it as one of friends with benefits, correct? Good. Okay. Did Mr. Townsend lead you to believe that he was single? Yes. Okay. There's digital data that's been introduced. They have text, I believe. Does some of that contradict his statement here in court?

Well, that's why I asked, why do you lie to me? Pardon me? That's why I asked texts that were introduced today. Why did you lie to me? Why is that? Because I didn't, he was separated from his wife. And then I found out that he was now back together with her. So I said, why did you lie to me?

Why all of a sudden are you wearing your wedding ring again? I see. Did Jeremy come by the house off? Then? Every day. Every day. Every day. Morning, night, what times? He would come by in the mornings.

Well, initially, we would meet at the school. He would drop his son off. I would, like, when our relationship first started, and I would have Isabella and Aiden. And we'd sit in the, we'd show up early, and we'd sit in the school car line. And he'd come back to the truck. where I had my kids and we'd all disconfer us in the morning while we sat there and waited until school started. Sometimes Vanessa would come out and get Trent out of his truck early and take him in because she was a teacher there. And then he would leave, go off to work.

He worked and he did landscaping. He had a partnership landscaping business. And I worked from home. So from there, probably in December, because prior to that I did beach body. from home. I was doing beach body sales from home. Social anxiety. I had never, ever, ever, ever been to a gym before. He was going to Gold's Gym, which I don't remember what Austin said it's called now. But anyways, it was the Gold's Gym where he was a member of. And I was like, okay, that's fine. But I don't know how to use anything. I'm not going to do it because I only worked out from home through like videos.

So he goes, no, I know somebody there. She's, it was a, it was a fee. email because I wasn't comfortable with males. And he sent me up with Rebecca Filmer, a personal trainer. That's how I met Austin and Becca. Becca and I became really close. We would go out dancing on Fridays. Like my social life just kind of expanded from there. I start to, I see that there was a life outside of my home. I mean, little as it was, but it was still nice. Now, did you ever confide in Jay about your situation with Mike? Yes. So that all happened at the beginning. Obviously, he had seen that I had marks on my face. And so I called him. And we did meet at the park after that to talk. And that's, we met a few times.

And it was just talking, friendship. And it was nice to have somebody to talk to you, but he told me about his history in the middle. the military. He also told me that he was a bodyguard for some professional boxer, and I cannot remember the name. He would travel and be his bodyguard whenever he was on tour. He told me that he was in special op. He served on the Bush administration and Washington, D.C. as security. Tons of stuff. Sniper. Tell me everything. Okay. We saw those contradictions with his testimony. correct. Did Mr. Townsend make any representations to you that he would protect you from Michael? Yes, from the very beginning. Okay.

Tell me if I ever needed anything that I could contact him. And it was, he was always on top of it. If Becca and I went out dancing in the evening, he would come over. He would see me before we went out. And while we were out, he would call and we would have to send him a picture to show him that we were there where we were. And when I left, I would have to let him know that I was on my way home and then also let him know that I had gotten home. He knew everything. He had everything.

He kept track of me every step of the way. Okay. Let's talk about the event that's landed you here. shift gear over there, okay? Michael was out of the house at that time. Yeah. Is it my understanding he'd been living at the airport? Yes.

So the battery had happened in 2004. The state imposed an injunction. DCF was involved. Mike went through counseling, everything like that. Mike was all that I knew. and during that time period, we both dated other people. I mean, you all heard that. Once everything was up, I guess you could say,

we started talking again, but DCF had been in the house, and they said that as long as he was not in the picture, everything was okay. But if he came back, they were going to take action. Yeah. So they had offered to move me and the two kids, change our names, change our socials.

Because we had already moved so much. We finally were in a good school. The kids had good friends. And there was a point where Isabel had asked, you know, is this where we're going to live now? And I said, yep, we're never moving again. this is where we're saying. I went to a great school, great friends. So when DCF came in and offered that, I'm like, nope, I'm strong now.

I'm going to go to counseling. I went to celebrate recovery for codependency. I was going to livestream counseling. I thought I had it. So I'm like, nope, I'm going to stand my ground. Okay. And so I didn't leave. dated, obviously those relationships sucked, failed.

And I went back. I loved Michael. Did it work out? Nope. We tried. He was back in the house, maybe two. Well, in September of 2014, he was back in the house two weeks. And then I should have learned my lesson then, but I didn't. And then in 2015, when we had gotten me. back together.

Alma Nichols, our neighbor, very nosy lady. Mike would go to work. We would pick him up at L.J. Yates' house, who has not testified up. L.J. Yates lived on 33. He also worked at Disney. Mike would drive from Disney to his house, and we would pick him up there and bring him back to the house, and he would duck so nobody would see him. And then he would sleep there all day.

he built a privacy wall on our back patio, so Wilma couldn't see. And she had put a gate so that she could just come over whenever she wanted. So we put a lock on there, so she couldn't do that. And then he worked overnights. So about 7 o'clock, we would take him back to L.J. Eats' house, and then he would go from there to work, and we continued that for a long time. Okay. Okay. So this in the house, out of the house, that continued on and off, correct?

Yes. Okay. So there did come a point in time when you were later with Jeremy, correct? So that's later in time, correct, to those events? Yeah. It was a couple months later. Like I said, I had, school had just started. I had went to school without dropping the kids off, whatever. I had marks on my face. Jeremy noticed he sent me a message. I started talking to him, him reassuring me. He was saying all the right things. I got to fell for it. I'm not denying that. I did. It was nice, right? Because now I'm back into... Solid ground. Yeah. And it wasn't working. And I'm like, I'm right back into it. So my birthday, Jeremy and I had talked about plans to go out. shopping, going to the movies, going to hurricanes. Just hanging out for the day while the kids were in school.

Mike was still in the house at that time. And I had told him that I had just wanted to go out for the day, go shopping, get my nails done, whatever. And he absolutely refused. Refused. So I threw fit as I was walking away from him. Well, he had given me my birthday presents as I was walking away. as I was walking away. He threw eight. Let's not talk about

specific events, okay? Let's say on the factual events. Okay. But there was an altercation arising out of that confrontation, correct? Mm-hmm. Okay. And so eventually, I take it, Michael's out of the house at a period of time.

Okay. So I kicked him out. I think it was November 10th. Okay. We heard testimony from one witness. That you were waving a gun at Michael, threatened him. Some witness he said he got in between you. That was Robert McCardo. Robert McCardo.

Did that ever happen? No, it did not. Why was Robert McCartow at the residence? We were all hanging out, barbecue, whatever. I honestly don't remember. We were all on the back porch. There was drinking involved. Mike became irate.

I went into the bedroom. He tried coming over me at the dresser. Robert stood in between. He separated him. Mike left the property. We couldn't get hold of him. We called 911 in fear of Michael

doing something to himself. There is a 911 call for that. They did make contact with him. And that was that. But no, there was no gun involved on that evening. Okay. The gun that's been introduced

into evidence, was this gun used in the commission of this case? No, it was not. What happened to that gun? I never seen it again. Who would have taken it? Jeremy was the last one that had it.

Let's transgress into this event that led to these charges. Lori, okay? Do you remember the event? You're in the house, correct? I was in the house initially. Michael did not enter the house. Okay.

Was it more? Morning, noon, until take us through it. Morning. Okay. And tell the jurors how this transpired. I got up the whole, got my coffee, and then that's when I noticed he was sitting on the back patio. We had two tables.

There was, like, one long line, and then there was a smaller round table with two chairs. I seen him sitting there. So I got the kids. I don't remember if it was Pop-Tards, breakfast bars, whatever. They're Oval Tene. They always had Oval Tene. They had tables in their bedrooms.

I went in and got them their clothes, gave them their breakfast, turned on the TV, and I just said, you know, ate your breakfast, get ready for school, which they did. Just like every other morning, I'm going to go out and take care of the animals. We had over 400 birds. We had pigs. I rescued a horse. There was lots of animals on the property. So that was not a normal for me.

to go outside while they were inside getting ready. So I went out there, but I knew he was sitting out there. I could see him through the kitchen window out in the back patio. So I went out there and we started talking and it escalated. I went to walk back in because this wasn't going anywhere and he was not leaving and I opened the sliding glass door to go in. And when I did that, he took my phone and slammed it up against the sliding. glass door. There was an imprint of my phone on that sliding glass door. He grabbed my arm, pulled me down into his lap. In the furthest chair, that was, I don't have a picture in front me, but the sliding glass door, there was like a post, and there was a, we had like a bistro table

sitting there in front. And on this further side, I guess, in front of the sliding glass door. There was a chair. So he had pulled me down in his lap. He was holding on to me. And at that point, I was just trying to convince him like, okay, okay, okay. We'll work it out. What's he saying to you during that, Lori? He's just, he's, I was talking at that point. I was scared. That's what I'm saying, okay, okay, okay, we can work it out because that's what I did every single time, because I was scared. And he told me not this time. Was he upset about anything in particular that you're aware of? Yes. He found out I had gotten pregnant.

From Jay? Yes. Okay. So, is he mentioned in that in his discussion or what? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, not at that time. It was previously before he pulled me into his lab, but I mean, he knew. Okay. So I was like, okay, okay, okay, we'll work it out. Because at that point, I had already had the abortion. So are you facing the house or facing away from the house? Tell us your direction.

I'm facing looking out the back patch. I'm on the back porch, but I'm not looking into the house. Okay. Now, he spends you around and you're in the chair, I take it? I'm in his lap. He's holding me there. Okay. And then he pushed me to the ground.

Okay. As he pushes you to the ground, does he do anything? After he pushed me to the ground, he was kicking me in the stomach. Okay. Presuming you were pregnant or something. Yeah, and I had already told him I had the abortion, and I was screaming at that point. Okay. Is he making any threats to do any harm to you, any serious bodily harm?

Yeah. I mean, he said not this time. He said I was not getting away. Okay. Not this time. I mean, we had been through so many events, but that's not the first time. I mean, he had pulled a gun out. He had Publix in Claremont.

This was not the first time. Okay. Let's not talk about prior events. Okay. Yeah, I'm sorry. So you're on the ground, and he's kicking you. In the stomach. Okay. Is he kicking your heart?

Yes. Okay. Is he making any serious? Okay. Is he making any statements of any intent to kill you or anything of that nature? Yes. Okay. Is he speaking in such a level that the children could hear this? Oh yeah. We both were. Okay. I was screaming. Okay. As he's doing this and he's not relenting on it, did he have his foot anywhere? Well, that went on for a few minutes.

And then he put his foot on my face. Okay. Smashing it into the patio porch. Okay. Whatever you want to call it. As he has his foot on your face, sit on the front of your face, the side of your face. I was facing him. Now I'm curled up facing the house.

And he, it was just like this. Is he continue to yell? Is he yelling at you? Not at that point. No, no. We were sitting there and I could not yell anymore. He's just sitting in the chair as he's smashing my face into the porch. What's the next thing you recall?

The next thing I see is, I can't even see. I see her. I more or less her. heard it. And then I think I've seen her. When you say her, who are you referring to? Isabelle. Isabel. What's Isabel do? She had fired a gunshot.

Okay. Now, when Isabel fires this gunshot, do you see where it lodged into Michael or what? I could not. Where are you after Isabel fires the gun? still in the ground. And Michael. The next thing you recall?

The next thing I recall is seeing Jay, Jeremy, and hearing the gun shot essentially at the same time. Is there much time that goes by between Isabel shooting the gun and Jay taken out of her?

No. It felt like forever. I remember looking at her. Had you gotten off the ground? No. No, I had not. Michael was still sitting in the chair. After Jay comes, you hear Jay discharge the firearm.

And after Jay discharges the firearm, what do you hear next or observe next? Well, at that point, I started crawling away, but Michael fell forward out of the chair. Felt forward on the chair? Out of the chair. Okay. Was that after Jeremy shot or after Isabel shot? Jeremy. After Jeremy makes that shot and to Michael, what happens after that after that?

I got up. We went into the house. We went into Isabel's room. But who has the gun at that point? I don't recall that he had the gun. I don't know. He was the last one with the gun. Okay. Did you see Isabel carrying it after that? No, no. But it wasn't carried. into her room where we were having a conversation. Now, Jeremy makes that shot.

You get up, you go into the house. Are any statements made by Jeremy? Yes. So he tells me to take the kids, get him out of the house, and he would take care of it. He insinuated that if we said anything, that she would be taken away. and he said that he was not going to take the blame for this.

So what did you do? I took the kids. I left. That's what I always did. I took the kids and I left. Where'd you take them? I took them to school. I wanted to get back home.

I did not know what was going to happen after that, but I wanted to get the kids out. And the only place I had to take them was cool. It wasn't that far away. So you think the kids at school, come back to the house, is Michael there? No.

Is Jay there? No. No. And we had a conversation with Aden. I remember that. He had obviously heard commotion. He didn't know what happened. He didn't see it. He was in his room, which was at the further end of the the house and I had just told him your dad's gone away for a long, long time and insinuated that he

was going to jail. Now, did you see any fresh dug holes on the property as you walked about it or moved about it beyond that point? No. When Jeremy said, I'll take care of this, did you have any reason to believe that that body was on your property? No, never. There's no way he could have. I wasn't gone that long or he could have. Finding out the dementia, no. He came back. It was probably about two in the afternoon.

Now, did you know whether or not his family had property elsewhere? Yes. Did you make any assumptions that it may have been taken somewhere else? And I had questioned him about that. They had 30 acres. He said five. He had told me 30 acres. I don't know.

whether that what's true or what's not anymore. But I was told they had 30 acres. I asked him that. After that event, what happened to your relationship with Jeremy? It ended. I had found out, I mean, I became pregnant. We were talking about getting engaged.

We went and looked at houses. Then I find out that he's now trying to work it out with his wife. and then that happened and I was so overwhelmed at that point I ended it The relationship ends between the two of you You go on with your life

At some point in time You meet Travis When did Travis come into your life At the end of May Pardon me He came by the house At the NMA My sister was

there. He came by, Becca, Austin were there. We had a get together, and he was there. Did you have any discussion with Travis and relay that, you know, Michael was dead or any discussion about that? No. I never mentioned it to anybody. There later came a point in time when this patio was built, correct? The fire pit. Yeah. Tell us we've heard circumstances about that. How did that end up and why did that end up be in place at that location? It was a big open area in the backyard. When Jeremy and I were together, it was an idea that we would lay concrete down. He was supposed to help me with it. That's why the concrete was bought in January of 2016, I think it was.

We sat down, we talked about the dimensions of it, and he was explaining to me how to calculate how much concrete you would need and whatnot. I went out and bought it and loaded it into the shed. And it sat there until September, later that year. And then you had broken up with Jeremy, correct? And then later you'd take up with Travis. Right. Right. And eventually this fire pit gets dug, correct? Or had been dug prepped for a duck pond, correct? They didn't dig any more.

Yeah. It had been dug out my understanding for a duck pond, correct? Yeah, previously. That was even previous to Jeremy. Yeah. And y'all abandoned that attempt or effort? So you move on. I mean, it was just like, it was just an outline. We didn't even do. dig deep into it. So Travis comes along, some time passes, and y'all like to put the patio there. Yeah, that was the original plan.

You've broken up with Travis. Jeremy. Jeremy, excuse me, I apologize. You've broken up with Jeremy. Now, Wilma next door testified that they detected an odor about your property. Was there any odor floating about on your property? property? No. I mean, we had rescued one pig. We got another, a wild male, female. They had babies. And Robert Sejah and his wife, they had horses. They also had dogs. They were renting the

back property to keep some of their horses. And they had dogs. And there was a few occasions where the dogs had come up and with the little pigs. It's not a pretty sight. So I don't know. That's what she was smelling. But and with the birds, like I said, with 400 birds, we used to slaughter them. I used to cut the chicken meat. Like we had ducks, guinea, guinea fowl, quail. We had tons. We used to, I had a license to sell. We sold to a restaurant in winter garden. There was an obvious odor. Yes. So when you'll prep this area and you put the patio down, did you and Travis put your initials in the concrete? We did.

Would you have done that if you knew there was a body underneath there? Would you have posted photographs on the internet or on social media? Absolutely not. If you had knowledge that there's a body underneath there. If I knew everything would have changed. everything that occurred. The only reason why we laid the patio when we did was because we were trying to have this huge birthday party for Isabel. Robert Sejah and his wife, they had the horses. And we invited essentially everybody from Pine Ridge to the house. And

they were going to have the horses going through the backyard and the kids could do hand-printing and upon them. So we did that. So we were just trying to level everything out, make it look nice, have a gathering place. That's all that it was. That's why it wasn't placed until right before her birthday at September. Place for people to stand and sit on. Yeah, it's just the level of the ground out. I mean, it was

sitting in the shed, had been sitting there for, since the beginning of the year. We just decided that was like the right time to do it. Now, there's been talk about and documents introduced regarding this social media,

Facebook, etc. Do you know who posted or some of those images, any of those images? There's images from your account, Michael's account,

other accounts. Did Jay have access to social media at your house? Yes. Oh, a lot of people did. We did. Everybody had access to the Wi-Fi

password. It was America 1. Scott A. Matusio, Jay, Frank, Wilma, everybody. You could not be at that house without being connected to Wi-Fi if you wanted to have connection to anything. We kept the password straight. It was America One. Everybody knew it. I posted those things on my Facebook. I did not post those things to Michael's Facebook. There's timeframes where the state's made issue of this account being open and that account being open. And do you have any explanation for that? I don't.

I mean, I was on Facebook every single day. My job required me to investigate people. So I was always on the internet, social media, investigating people. We've heard testimony as well that those accounts can be accessed remotely, off-site, and contain the same IP address, correct? Yes. Yes. That somebody can be in the house? sharing the same router, sharing the same RIPE Actions.

For a? Yes. We've seen, and the state is introduced into evidence at this stage, a tarp that was in this pet. Did you all have ownership of a blue tarp? Not at that point. We had a tarp when we got a pool. I know Travis bought a tarp to put under the pool. Later, when you were with Travis?

Yes. Okay. Did you have one? at the time of the demise of Michael Schaever? Not to my knowledge. Did you have the strap wrenches that were introduced or the straps themselves on your property? No, not to my knowledge. When I went and got the concrete and stuff, I did not do anything with strap brunches or anything like that.

The laminate flooring, the laminate flooring that was testified to, did you have the same or similar limine at flooring on your property? No, no. The flooring, the remodeling that was done was done before we even moved in. When we bought that house, we got at a really good price. It was kind of, it wasn't in foreclosure, but the inside essentially looks like it was in foreclosure. There was, the floors and the rooms were destroyed from previous dogs. And I'm OCD

and very clean. And we hired. somebody to come in and clean it and Michael went in and changed all the flooring in that house before I would allow us to even move in and bring the kids in there because it was disgusting. Was Austin Fillmore, or Austin, was he at the house when that pit was poured the patio? No. He testified he was. He was not there. Travis and I did that ourselves. And originally, Travis thought he could do it by himself and then he went and run at the mixer. We didn't realize that, I mean, it was a big area. He had never done that before.

I don't know. I guess he thought it was going to be easier just mixing up some bags. But that's why he ended up going and running the mixer. We saw the photographs of the distance between the residents and the gravesite. Did you, back at that period of time, and we see your photos, were you that physical size back in that time period? Yes. Did you have the physical capability even of moving that body? 160 pound man?

No. No. When I was at the gym working out, I could probably do 30 pounds. Prior to getting a personal trainer, I was working out from home with just, hand weights. Did I have an endurance? Yes. I ran marathons. Lori, the jurors are going to ask themselves, why didn't you call the police? Scared? Scared of what Jay had said or Jeremy had said?

I didn't know what to do. I had just been beaten. Like, everything just happened so suddenly, I didn't know what to do. That's why all I wanted to do was get the kids out and get back home. And when I came back home, he was not there. Jeremy was not there. And I could not get a hold of him. He came back that afternoon. There was testimony, Isabel gave, about after you broke up with Jeremy, about him continuing to follow you. Yes.

Okay. Tell the jurors about those events. There was times, I think Isabelle I mentioned. I was, I was already dating Travis. went to go pick him up from the church and I'm at the intersection and Jeremy's there right beside me yelling and screaming at me to roll down the windows and then proceeds to follow us to real life. We used to shop at the Publix, Claremont 27, and he would just pop up and then start questioning, you know, what are you guys doing? Where are you going? Have you said anything?

Make sure you don't say anything. So then we started going to the Publix in Gwebland and And all of a sudden he was showing up there. Target. Same thing. Walmart. That's where he showed me his tattoo. It was the summer of 2016. And I was with Travis.

And he lifted up, we were in the cereal aisle at Walmart. And he lifted up his shirt and showed me his tattoo in front of my kids and everybody else standing in the aisle of a skull. It was a skull. Yes. Did Jeremy occasionally drive by the residents? Yes. So when we moved, got this place, and we put six cameras up outside our property because we noticed there was an increase in traffic.

And I was really paranoid. Going anywhere, I mean, I look my surroundings before I get out. I was always afraid that he was following. I mean, I was picking the kids up for school before we even had moved, and he had gotten out of his truck and ran down the middle of the road straight at my truck, yelling and screaming in front of the school on multiple occasions trying to get me to converse with him. I had agreed to meet him on a couple occasions, yes, for like 10 minutes, and we would have conversations like, nope, haven't said anything.

He wanted me to wait for him, wanted everything to settle down with his wife, and I would So when we moved, once somebody was found, I lost my dog. Travis was a youth leader at the time. He started working for a granite company. Finances had gotten really tight. We found a home that we could afford. We got the cameras, and Jeremy was caught on those cameras on a couple occasions going by. If I seen him now, I would not recognize him if he was standing in front of me. back a bit, you spoke about and you have images, clear images, as to the events that would happen on a regular basis. Let's reflect back on that though.

Were these acts events that would cause serious bodily harm to you? Yes. Were these events that would involve likewise domestic violence, shouting and threats? Yes, that more. Do you believe that you would be here today but for the act of Isabel? Sorry, what? The event where Michael was shot, Isabel acted, came to your aid. Do you believe you might not be alive but for Isabel and or Jay?

Correct, yeah. Lori. Have you testified from your heart, the truth? of these events. Have I left anything out that you feel that you need to tell the juries to clarify any issues that you've spoken of at this stage?

I mean, there's a lot I would like to get out. Okay, direct me to the topic. I know we can't go into the detail of these events, though. Aside from that, is there anything else? Michael had a lot of anger. No, please. Sustained.

we've spoken about yes correct but we can't get I know I know objection your honor this is a question all right sustained

I'm just correct her so you don't then that you know yes sir all right please ask a question if you wish so aside from the issues that we've spoken about

the temperament and the disposition and the atmosphere and all the matters that we've discussed Is there anything else that you feel that the jury should know? Checking your honor calls for narrative. It's not a claim.

Please ask a specific question. Is there a topic that we have not discussed? No, nothing that I'm going to be able to talk about at this time. All right. Thank you, Judge. Yes, sir. All right. Let's have a sidebar.

All right. State, you may proceed. Ms. Shaver, in the beginning of your testimony, I believe you may have misspoke. Mr. Wiggs asked you when you were married to Mike Schaever. you said May of 2016. When did you get married to Michael Schaeber? 2006. Okay.

That's okay. Now, the biggest question I have for you, because you didn't mention it once in your entire story, is when did your husband get killed? The exact date I cannot recall. It was beginning of May of 2016. It was not November. Okay. So sometime, you don't know, but sometimes. in May of 2016 is when this happened. Okay. Now, your phone number prior to this homicide was 352-4-3-1-0-419, correct?

You don't know your phone number? That's not my phone number now. Okay. You don't? I don't, no, I do not recall my. Okay. But if those are the, that's the phone number that is from all those screenshot between you and Jeremy Townsend that you saw. Would that refresh your memory? that that was your phone number. Yeah. Okay. And you, at some point, changed your number to 352-431-8444, correct? I don't, believe, I can't recall that because at some point I put my parents on my phone line. You remember seeing the court of document that was submitted into evidence where you put your address and phone number on it. Yes. And that 844 number was what you listed. Yeah. I don't remember the phone numbers from back then. And since then, I have also had my parents on my phone bill.

My question was whether or not that was your phone number. You agree that the 844-4-4 number was your phone number based on that court document? Yes. You would have been truthful in a court document, correct? Yes. Okay. Now, also, one of the statements that you made, I think you said you wouldn't recognize Jeremy. Today, when he walked in, I would have never recognized him today. That's not what he looks like. All right.

Now, you mentioned the fact that he had this skull tattoo. You have a skull tattoo, too, right? All right. So that doesn't really mean anything. I had mine way before. Okay. Now, you were saying that you met Jeremy Townsend in August of 2015. Yes, at the end of August.

and that he passed you some sort of post-it note. Mm-hmm. So yes? Yes. All right. And you had talked about because you had marks on your face or something like that. Is that a yes? Yes.

All right. Now, according to you, Michael Schaber had left the residence in November of 2015. Correct? Your residence. Yes. All right. I had kicked him out. All right.

Well, I thought that you were the type of person that would just shut down. in retreat and couldn't confront anybody. That was your words, right? No, I said that I'm not the type of person where if you come at me and say something like belittling me or anything like that, I shut down in retreat.

I'm not confrontational. That was in the context of me and my daughter. But you were confrontational with Mike Schaver. Yeah, he told him to get out because he knew that if I called the cops, and he would definitely be kicked out and he would be picked up.

So yes, it was very pretty much easy to get him out. Let's try to figure out this mindline now. In September of 2014, he was arrested for a domestic estate available. Correct. Correct. And that is when he went to the airport hangar, correct? Where he started living. Yeah.

Did he move back into the house after that? Yes. All right. When did that happen? I don't know the exact time. It was... How long had you? It wasn't...

He had been gone over a year. All right. So sometime in 2015. It was, yeah, probably summer of 2015. Okay. So if the arrest was in September of 2014, approximately six to eight months that he was going? No, it was greater than that because he had finished his probation period.

Okay. And in that... incident, he also suffered injuries, correct? Yes. Because you hit him over the head with a gun, correct? Well, he had the gun pointed at my head, and at that point, I was done. I thought. I was giving up at that point. I had nothing left in me until I seen my kids come out and start screaming, and as soon as I seen them, I took and slammed that gun into his head. Okay. Have you ever told anyone that he was not that fault?

for that incident and it's actually you? No. Did you throw a vase of flowers into the sling glass door and break that? I did. We're good in this specific conduct that the stain is moot to explain. Can we approach, please? Five bar, please. During that incident, did you throw a vase breaking the sling glass door?

Okay. And you also broke objects in the bathroom, correct? No, I did not. There's pictures of the slime glass door. from that incident you've seen those correct and other other items in the house that were broken correct along with the injuries to you and the injuries to mr shaver the only injury that i was aware of was to his head okay and his pants were torn correct he would hold my keys in his his pants and would not let me leave the residence so after i hit him in the head pushed the gun into his head i had to reach into

his pocket and grab my truck keys so that i could evade property with my children and get to safety. Now, after he left in November of 2015. Okay. Got it straight now? Okay. After he left in November of 2015, was this incident which ultimately led to his death the first time that he came back? Yes, it was.

Okay. So then in August, I'm sorry, you're saying you actually started a relationship. with Jeremy Towson in August of 2015? He started talking in August, and Michael was still at the residence. Okay. So after November of 2015, he does not come back to the house.

Correct. So that check that was sent to him and deposited in his account, he would not have received, correct? I don't know. He got his mail. How did he get his mail if he wasn't at the house? The mailbox was not at my residence.

It was at the end of the road. Okay. So after he left in November of 2015, are you saying that he would just come by every day to pick up his mail? I don't know what he did. Did you ever notice any mail missing? How would I know if it was missing? Did you ever notice any of your stuff missing? No. Did he ever notice any mail coming for Michael Schaver to that address after he left? Yes, a few things.

What would you do with that in order to get it to him? I would take it back to the post office and do return mail no longer at this address. was it going? I don't know. Where was he? I don't know. I assumed that the, probably back at the hangar. If he left in November of 2015 and went to go live at the hangar, why would he quit his job at Disney? Because there was a sexual harassment charge against him. Okay. You've seen the, you heard that his supervisor came in and said there was no such thing and there's nothing in those records, correct? Oh, I did. I heard that. Are you saying that Disney falsified those records? records?

The sexual harassment complaint filed against him came directly from Michael's mouth. Okay. You had access to his bank accounts, correct? Yes, he had access to mine as well. And you with funding from his accounts, correct?

And deposited money, correct? In November of 2015, what deposits were you banked in his account? I have no idea. I'm not sure that I would. Does he posit that Mariner checked into his account? No. I have no idea what that is.

All right. The money from the sale of all of his property, how did you get that to them? Well, it was not necessarily his property. It was on his guns. Okay. So after he was arrested and... My question was, how did you get the money from the sale of his guns to him and didn't know where he was?

I did not give him the money from the sale of the guns. Those were not his guns. Would you have any way, if you say you don't even know where he is, is, would you have any way of getting him any of that money? No, I never said I gave him money. You just said you deposited money into his account. No, I mean, that was throughout the whole marital. I would deposit money and take out money.

He worked overnights. So during the day, if he needed anything, any shopping and all of that for the well-being of the house and the kids, I would do that during the day because he was sleeping because he worked overnights. As far as the Facebook records, all the stuff from the Lori Shaver Facebook account, you would agree you posted, correct? None of that stuff was anybody hacking you or anything like that? It did not appear so. You had access to Michael Schaver's Facebook, correct? Previously. How did you have access to a Vintz account? Well, previously we had a

joint account. After we had separated in 2014, I believe we separated emails, Facebook. Prior to that, everything was joint. After that, we went from a joint bank account. to bank accounts, two emails, two Facebooks, prior to that everything was joint because he controlled everything. Did you have his password? Previously, well, it was a joint password because it was a joint account. When he had his own account? After we had separated in 2014.

Did you have his password for that account? Well, that was our account. When you said he started his own account, my question is, all right. Did you ever post anything on his account? No, I did not. Did your daughter have his password? I don't believe so. Was anyone else living in your house after May of 2016 that had access to his phone or password for Facebook?

I don't know about the password, but there was two tablets. There was a laptop and a desktop. Did they have his Facebook profile in it? Everything was automatic. Everything was already logged in. So all you had to do was just to log it, like open it up, and you were automatically logged in. Was your daughter posting on his Facebook? No.

Was your son posting on his Facebook? Now, did you ever tell anyone that after he left in November of 2015, that he was in jail for failing to take child support? I did. That wasn't true, correct? No, it was not. That was an old manager that I had a relationship with way back. when and he had moved back from from Connecticut to Florida and was reaching out to me

and he was curious. That's Remain, correct? Correct. When you say relationship, that's another affair, correct? But you told him that Mike was in jail for failing to pay child support and his license was spent it, correct? I'm not giving him my personal information, and he was asking about that because...

Okay, wait, wait, hold on one second. How is Mike being in jail your personal information. Accurate personal information because he was questioning. Because prior to that, there was conversations where Michael had threatened once again, after finding out, you kill me. So when you told your manager that you had a prior affair with that Mike was in jail, that was a lie.

Did you tell your sister that you guys had been working out of separation? Well, we actually did work out a separation agreement and it was filed with court. In order to do that, you have to get a, was that here in Lake County? It was. Okay, so there is a, some sort of divorce proceeding with your name on it and Michael Shavers, because you just said you filed something in court, correct? I did not see. So, you said separation.

So after 2014, after that incident, we both had attorney representation and Michael and I came up, came up with an agreement, handwritten, we both signed it. That was filed. Where? Here. Where? This courthouse. What case is that in?

Whatever the prior DCF is, and I had won that case with no adjudication. I don't know where that record is, but it was filed. And in that agreement, he agreed to pay X amount of money. I would keep the kids. He could not take the kids. He would see them every other weekend. Whatever. We had that separation.

I made more money than he did. I covered the health insurance. I covered the kids. I kept the house. He was moving out of the house and he was going to pay X, Y, Z. That was a handwritten document that both of us signed in front of the mediator at this DCF agreement that I won with no adjudication. Was there ever a divorce proceeding started? No, there was not.

Not in the state of Florida. After 2015, was there ever a divorce proceeding started? No. When law enforcement came and asked. you about the whereabouts of your husband, you were not truthful with them, correct? I didn't know where he went. You know what happened to him, correct?

Right. You didn't tell him that, correct? The Walmart purchase that was on your husband's bank. You did that, correct? I don't recall doing that. That was sent to your house with your name on it, correct? I don't recall

like the exact parameter around it or what I bought or anything like that. So this event happens in May of 2013, correct? So yes? Yes. Your relationship with Jeremy Townsend and very fultrously in May of 2016, correct? So yes. Yes.

And your relationship with Travis Filmer then begins in May of 2016, correct? He came over at the end of May. Yes. And you were actually engaged to him in July of 2016, correct? Yes. In April of 2016, Rebecca Urbanowski was living with you, correct? Right. And the fire pit itself was built in March of 2016?

I guess so. That's when you posted it, right? And then how big was your property? My acres. And out of all of that land, you just happened to choose the area where your dead husband's body was found with that smith left that's basically what you're saying here correct i think if they did not know his body was there it went there because the area was already dug out quite a coincidence you're not correct

no not necessarily not if you realize the whole parameters of what came first and how that all transpired like i said that was first that was something that jeremy and i had originally talked about doing because I've gotten rid of the animals and we already, we had the fire pit and we were talking about wanting to, I mean, he's, he's, it was his suggestion to put in concrete. So the March, to succeed, please put that fire pit in and two months later is when your husband is filled on your property, correct? Yes. Concrete was not poured until September.

Correct. By you and your now husband. But I had no knowledge that he was under there. If I was trying to cover him up, why would I do that so many months later? And only... I haven't asked you a question, ma'am. So the incident that led to your husband's death had not been around for months, correct?

Correct, which was... And he just happens to show up sometime in May of 2016, correct? It just happened. That was pretty typical of him being gone for months and then showing up and us getting back together. Okay, that was... And then during that time frame, this was sometime before you were going to take your ditch to school. Correct.

Yes, it was. He was out on the porch when I went. How was he dressed? Shorts, be shirt, sneakers. And an argument between the two of you starts. Yes, I went outside. I got the kids settled and I went outside to talk to him. How old was your daughter at this point?

Seven. And is there a reasonable? You never talked your daughter how to dial 911? I mean, we just had cell phones. We didn't have a landline. She knew how to dial 911, but like I said, I had my cell phone on me. The security system that we had, she would have not have been able to reach. It was above the keys where the door was.

What she said, I didn't know how to call 911. I'm asking why you wouldn't have taught her. I did teach her how to call 911, but she didn't have a phone. Okay. Now, your testimony is that she shot him, correct? Yes. And at that point, that you were able to get out from under knee, Mr. Schaber, correct? I did not crawl away until he was falling to the ground.

After she shot him, I was still looking at her, like, still comprehending everything that was happening. I wasn't too yet because he had been had his foot on my face, smushing it into the ground. It took me, I mean, it wasn't that long, but it took me a little bit to kind of comprehend what was occurring. And then- He certainly didn't get up after being shot, correct? Hmm.

He certainly didn't get up out of the chair up for being shot, right? No, not until, no, no. No, after the second shot, he fell forward. the first shot he sat in the chair. At the time of his death, Mike Schaver was about 5.3. 5.3? 5.8, 510.

5.2. The probable cause affidavit around the time of his arrest, listed him at 5.3 and 130 pounds. You're saying that's inaccurate. That was probably me. Okay. You weren't arrested, right? His probable cause from 2014? Yes.

you're saying that that 5-3 and 130 pounds is inaccurate is what you're saying yes that's not definitely probably not what's on his driver's license he was not 5-3 he was like 5-8 and 150 160 pounds i was 5-2 and 115 20 when mike left he left his vehicle correct you're talking about the black car no i'm talking about he had a vehicle and he left it behind correct his black car had been sitting there for a while. He had a bent rim in the air in the tire could not stay inflated. So he was driving my truck back and forth to work.

My question was, when he left and moved out, he left his car, correct? And he left everything that he had that had any sort of value that could be sold, correct? He took stuff, yes. This ATV left all that behind. All the tools that were in the shed were of no use to him. They were like old tools and stuff like that.

And it wasn't an ATV. My question was, he left himself behind, something he should have sold, correct? Correct. He stopped going to work and lost his job because of it, correct? I was not aware of that at that time. So he lost his ability to make any money, correct? I was not aware of that at that time.

Prior to November of 2015, he would call you using the phone frequently, correct? Yes, because he was back in the house and we were working things, trying to work things out. After November of 2015, there is absolutely no calls to you after that November 7, 2015, correct? I don't recall. There's not a single call to you, to the children, anything, correct? I don't recall. There's no activity on his bank other than withdrawals from the ATM in Claremock where you live, correct? I wouldn't.

November 2015, he just vanishes off the face of the earth. No one can account for him, correct? I don't believe that's true. But you've definitely not had any contact with him in any way until he shows us. up someday, which you do not know in May of 2016 when this incident occurs, correct? No, he showed up prior to May. At my property, but he was already causing trouble prior to that, which fits within his history of doing this.

My question, my question to you previously was after you kicked him out in November of 2015, and prior to him coming up the day that he was still, I asked you, did he ever come and how many contact with you said no correct not physically correct but calls and stuff like that yes his threats stuff like that you've seen you saw the phone records which show absolutely no calls from him after november 7 correct he was while the witness to finish thank you he was communicating with jeremy i believe he had sent me text He had sent me a nasty text prior to that, telling me I was just like my mom, something to that effect. He was communicating.

From your IP address. I don't know that that's my IP address. How can you verify that? Because it's the same IP address that your account that you says you used posted on as well. Okay. How do we know that he didn't post on my face or log in my Facebook? So what vehicle, the day that he showed up and may have. 2016, what vehicle

did you use to get to your house that day? What vehicle was in your yard that you didn't recognize that day? In May? Yes. So he just walked? He just showed up without a vehicle in your house on the back

porch. Not paying attention to that. Nothing further, Judge. Thank you, Mr. Wiggs. I don't have any setting. Thank you. All right. Yes, sir. Thank you. You may step down from the witness stand. Any other witnesses, Mr. Wiggs? No, at this time, the defense would rest, Judge.

All right, the defense has rested.