Criminal Attorney - No Witness No Case | 4

Episode Date: October 7, 2024

A man steps forward with a shocking confession - that leads Shawn directly to Paul Bergrin. And when the police raid New York Confidential, Paul Bergrin sees a new opportunity to expand his b...usiness.Follow Criminal Attorney on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting https://wondery.com/links/criminal-attorney/ now. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Wondery Plus subscribers can binge all episodes of Criminal Attorney early and ad-free. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Sean Brokos was in the FBI restroom, sitting across from Anthony Young. Anthony was a stocky black guy in his early 30s with a shaved head. And that day, he seemed on edge. And we're sitting down in the arrest room, and he's saying, I know who did it. I was there. Sean had waited 10 months for any information about Kimo McCray's murder. But before Anthony was willing to go any further, before he was willing to give Sean information she could act on,
Starting point is 00:00:46 Anthony wanted something in return. He said, look, the group is trying to out me, they're going to kill me, and I want to cooperate with you, so you, here's the irony, right, so you can make me safe. Sean agreed that she'd keep Anthony safe, but she needed more details.
Starting point is 00:01:02 She needed to know exactly what went down. Sean had been skeptical when Anthony Young first called in. But as Anthony talked, she quickly realized he was for real. And he's giving us a very graphic description to the point where we knew he was really there. He wasn't just bullshitting us. This wasn't just a story. We could tell that he was on scene in some capacity. He diagrammed it, gave us so many tidbits that the general public wouldn't know.
Starting point is 00:01:35 But Anthony did. He said that he knew all of this because he was the one driving the getaway car. He said, yeah, I remember making sure he was dead and we stood over his body and he's laying there with a cigarette still between his fingers and his dusk mask. And if you look at the crime scene photos, that's exactly what it was. The kinds of details coming from Anthony were astounding. Sean and her team all had the same thought.
Starting point is 00:02:05 He's our shooter. Like, we all knew there was no way you have that level of detail. He said he was the getaway driver. Obviously, he was the shooter. He got into the getaway car.
Starting point is 00:02:14 Later on, J-House informants confirmed Sean's hunch that Anthony Young was the killer. He'd eventually confess and even give her a motive. He said part of the reason
Starting point is 00:02:23 he agreed to the hit was because he wanted to use the money to go to Los Angeles for the NBA All-Star game that year. You're sat a matter of feet away from the man who put a bullet in his head. That's our reporter, Matthew Nelson.
Starting point is 00:02:38 Yes. What is that like for you? Yeah, it's like a bit of climbing into bed with the devil. So now, Sean had him. The guy who killed Kimo. I'm grateful for Anthony coming forward, for telling the story, but also just at some point looking at him across the table with absolute pure hatred and disdain for everything
Starting point is 00:03:05 he stood for. I think that was the hardest part because this was business. But that day when Anthony Young first came into the FBI office, he had a lot to say about the lead-up to Kimo's murder. In November of 2003, the week after Thanksgiving, Hakeem Curry assembled his crew. He told everyone that there was a problem. They had a snitch. It was a low-level guy named Kimo McCray. As they stood there, a Mercedes pulled up and out hopped Paul Bergrin. He told them that with the information Kimo had, if he testified against Will Baskerville, he was never coming home.
Starting point is 00:03:49 He told the gang how they should solve this problem. No Kimo, no case. Paul pointed his finger in the air, walked back to his luxury car, and drove off. In this moment, everything about her investigation into Kimo's murder changed. We knew that this now is a Bergeron investigation.
Starting point is 00:04:11 In giving the gang their marching orders, Paul Bergeron had given Sean and her team theirs. She had a new big fish to catch. From Wondery, I'm Brandon Jinks Jenkins, and this is Criminal Attorney. We got crooked politicians looking over shoulders in opposite positions. Run, better run, better run. Run from the boogeyman. This is episode four. No witness, no case.
Starting point is 00:04:56 Around the time Anthony Young came into the FBI office and confessed to shooting chemo, Ron Sperling was deep in the production of his reality TV show about New York Confidential. Ron had been filming for months. He had hours and hours of tape. He was sitting on gold, and he knew it. He set up meetings with interested television networks. And I showed them that sizzle reel. I'm watching the executives watching the sizzle reel.
Starting point is 00:05:22 I'll never forget, three minutes in, they were like, are you kidding? This is insane. This is great. This is priceless. Ron was getting exactly the reaction he'd hoped for. From where he sat, it looked like his show was going to be a hit. He'd make back the money he spent funding it out of his own pocket, and more. One of the execs asked Ron to share the first six episodes once
Starting point is 00:05:45 he put them together. After that, they would make their decision. And I was like, let me just explain something to you guys. I've been in this place from day one. If you want to put money on the table, I'm more than happy to listen. But this isn't going to be around for years.
Starting point is 00:06:02 He didn't want to waste time putting cuts together when the clock was ticking. Just by the drugs, the personalities, the Paul Begrins of the world, the Jason Ilse of the world, it's going to implode. The only question is when. That when came sooner than
Starting point is 00:06:18 Ron expected. He and his crew showed up to New York Confidential to shoot some night scenes. As they were grabbing their gear and loading in, Ron noticed something on the block. There's the old fake Con Edison truck, which is the power company in New York, Con Edison. So the fake truck, like they're watching right outside the door. Ron and his crew knew exactly what the truck was doing there. Like my crew guys were like, oh, that's the cops right there. Ron headed inside and let the owners know what was waiting for them. And I'm like, you do know the cops are right outside your front door.
Starting point is 00:06:51 Like, literally right outside your front door. Ron could tell. The party was coming to an end at New York Confidential. Jason Itzler and the others inside running the joint had considerably more at stake, and that included Hobart Waldrop. It was a lot of fun. It was, you know, sexy, sexy, sexy girl.
Starting point is 00:07:13 He didn't have an official job title. He was the guy who made sure that all the escorts were safe, everyone paid up, and things ran smoothly. Hobart was a fixer. He was the muscle. He was also an accomplished artist. He painted one of the murals at New York Confidential. And he was Jason Itzler's right-hand man.
Starting point is 00:07:34 To look the part, Paul and Jason put Hobart in a new suit. It was custom-made, well-fitting, ideal for that polished, classy New York Confidential vibe. Hobart was with a co-worker when one of them got a call. The person calling said nobody at New York Confidential was picking up. Hobart knew this was not a good sign.
Starting point is 00:07:56 According to an article in New York Magazine, he logged onto a webcam security camera that Jason had installed, and he saw them. The police officers were going through the place, tearing it apart. They were gathering the ledgers and files on all the clients. He saw a handful of people sitting on the couch, waiting to be taken down to the station. And when the police came for Holbert...
Starting point is 00:08:17 You know, some of the inmates were making jokes that somebody's attorney had gotten arrested. They thought I was an attorney. There's not many people go to jail wearing a suit and tie. You know what I mean? Jason Itzler was arrested. Natalia was arrested as well. They were all facing serious charges
Starting point is 00:08:34 and the potential for a lot of jail time. Still, Hobart had one good reason not to panic. After a night in the cells, he was taken across town to the courthouse, knowing that he had the best defense attorney on his side. You know,
Starting point is 00:08:49 at my arraignment, thinking, okay, Paul Bergrand is going to come in the door at any moment. Holbert knew. Paul was on retainer for this exact situation.
Starting point is 00:08:58 To make troubles like this go away. But Holbert waited. And waited. He says Paul Berggrin never showed. Holbert had his girlfriend call Paul up to find out what the hell was going on. come. You cannot trust this guy. 30 days go past, still no one shows up. Judge postpones, okay, we'll give it another 30 days. You have counsel, yes, of course. No one ever showed up. Hobart sat in Rikers Island for eight months. During that time, a narrative solidified in his mind about how he'd been thrown under the bus. I felt serious, like I'm being set up to take the fall.
Starting point is 00:09:48 And they're going to point the fingers and say, it was all the black dude's idea. That black guy in his expensive suit, he's the one. After the raid and the arrests, journalist Mark Jacobson was writing a story about New York Confidential. But the more he reported on it, the more he began to suspect that the better story might be the one about its increasingly infamous lawyer. So he put in an interview request with Paul. Paul was down to meet, but then he threw Mark a curveball.
Starting point is 00:10:20 I get this phone call from Paul Bergeron out of nowhere. He says, I'll meet with you, but I'm going to medical school now, so it's got to be up near Mount Sinai. Can you do that? I said, yeah, whatever you want, man. Mark thought, medical school? Weird. He wondered how Paul had the time to do all that work and also defend his clients. Mark drove up to meet Paul outside the pale brick campus of the famous New York hospital. When Paul showed, he wore a fancy blue suit and a bright red tie. His hair was slicked back and dyed jet black. I mean, he's a streetwise guy. He's really sharp. I mean, he's like Sam Spade or something like that. He didn't look like a med student. He looked more like the hard-boiled
Starting point is 00:11:03 private detective from the Maltese Falcon. At their meeting, Paul told Mark that he'd grown tired of law. He said that he could better help people in his community if he was a doctor. The way he presented it was, it wasn't like his first semester. He'd been going to medical school for a period of time.
Starting point is 00:11:19 You'd figure that people wouldn't, if he was a third-year medical student, he still had a law practice. But Mark wasn't there to talk about med school or Paul's newfound commitment to the Hippocratic Oath. Mark wanted to know more about New York Confidential. Paul obliged. And Gregorio's talking about this and he's giving me the telephone numbers of all the girls, you know, if I want to talk to them. Paul shared a few seedy stories.
Starting point is 00:11:42 This is kind of boy talk, you know, kind of crap. But he seemed distracted. We're having this conversation, and he's like looking at his watch because now he's got to get there in time for his class, his medical school class, you know, and I said, okay, man, we could talk again, you know, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:11:59 It's fine. You have to go, go. Paul hurried off to his class. Mark was left with very little to go on, journalistically speaking. But he kept reporting. And that's when he found out something surprising from a source. Paul Bergrin was never enrolled at Mount Sinai. It was completely made up.
Starting point is 00:12:20 Like, why would you make up a story like that? Paul had lied to Mark about medical school. But maybe he was getting tired of law. Because Paul Berggren's role at New York Confidential was not over. It was evolving. When Holbert Waldrop got out of jail, he got in touch with Jason Itzler. Jason told him the shocking news. Paul Berggren stole New York Confidential from me. He got in touch with Jason Itzler. Jason told him the shocking news.
Starting point is 00:12:49 Paul Berggrin stole New York Confidential from me. New York Confidential was not shut down for good the day the cops came busting through the front doors and carting its employees off to jail. It was merely under new management. Just three days after the raid, Paul had taken the entire business, the escorts, the clients, the books, and set up shop at a new location in Kipps Bay on Manhattan's east side. They occupied three floors, and he had totally frozen Jason out of the business he had created. It's not like he was going to give Jason the money when Jason got out of jail. No, no, no, no. It doesn't work like that.
Starting point is 00:13:26 Paul had barely bothered to tweak the name of the business. It was now called New York Confidential Escorts, Inc. One thing that I saw is that there's no honor among these. There is none. Something else was different. With Jason Itzler out of the way, Paul Berggren couldn't help but become the de facto face of the outfit. Shortly after he reopened New York Confidential,
Starting point is 00:13:53 excuse me, New York Confidential Escorts, Inc., a reporter for the New York Post wrote a story with the headline, Man of the Cat House, Pimp's Lawyer Takes Reins. The article notes that a revolving cast of characters could be seen buzzing around the new location at all hours. There were beautiful, glamorous women
Starting point is 00:14:12 and guys who looked like they'd just stepped off the trading floor on Wall Street. So the clientele was similar, but the operation was notably less clandestine. One resident of the building complained about stumbling into a couple having sex in the hallway. Another says, quote, it's a family building, not a red-light district building, and it's pretty obvious what's going on here.
Starting point is 00:14:36 The new New York Confidential only lasted a matter of weeks before it folded. Business wasn't great and the company dissolved, which makes sense with all the negative attention the place was getting. Paul Berggren denied any involvement. That was, of course, a lie. And it wasn't just reporters from the New York Post who could see through it. How well do you really know the stories of the heroes and the traitors that made America? American History Tellers takes you beyond the textbooks and delves into the eras and people and events that shaped our nation, revealing how our history affected those directly involved,
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Starting point is 00:16:04 For Sean Brokos, Kimo's death cast a shadow over every day and everything. You start thinking, am I doing everything I can? I thought, I've lost my ability to see things clearly. I no longer know what I'm doing. And it became a very helpless feeling. And that's not something you want to have on the job. And I really wrestled with that.
Starting point is 00:16:24 Like, could I have done better? Should I have done better? What could I have done better? But Sean didn't have a chance to stop. Not when she was in the middle of an investigation. Because Sean was once again sitting across from someone who had information about Paul Begrin. This time it was a woman.
Starting point is 00:16:40 As with all things Mary, it was never straightforward. Mary is not her real name. She's still alive, so Sean can't talk about her in detail. We don't even know what she looks like. She had come to the FBI office because she had some information she thought the FBI could use about Paul Begrin and his money laundering operation. She initially told us that this was all through her boyfriend providing this information. But Sean quickly learned that Mary was involved herself.
Starting point is 00:17:11 She also had some firsthand information and was able to tell us that Bergeron was involved with selling drugs and helping to launder money. As an FBI agent, Sean knew informants sometimes had secret or conflicting agendas of their own. Even Kimo had lied to her. It was difficult to know who to trust. I think the first rule of operating an informant is you never take anything they say at face value.
Starting point is 00:17:37 But Sean had to keep doing the job the way she knew how to do it. Trust was a big part of the hustle. So Sean asked her a couple questions about Mary's information. Can you prove this? I mean, your word is not going to suffice. Can you wear a recording device? Can you go in and have these conversations?
Starting point is 00:17:57 Can you try and launder money? Turns out, she could. That's where she shined. Just like Kimo, Mary was wired up and given a set of instructions. Like take this money to Paul Bergrin. Tell him it's drug money. She was great. She was able to get into Bergrin. She could talk the talk. She has this drug money that she's making and she needs to launder it. And, you know, we'd send her in the office. Paul's actual legal office.
Starting point is 00:18:30 The money she gave Paul there would get put through a shell company that he set up. When it came back, it was clean. No way to trace it. No way to tell it had been dirty. And we laundered, I don't know how many thousands of dollars. Like, we were laundering $5,000, $10,000, $20,000 at a time. And this was absolutely huge for Sean's case. She was gathering on tape hard proof
Starting point is 00:18:50 that Paul wasn't just a Newark lawyer. Sean was building a case against Paul using the RICO Act. RICO stands for Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations. Prosecutors in the 1970s started using RICO to take down crime syndicates like the Gambino crime family and the 1970s started using Rico to take down crime syndicates,
Starting point is 00:19:05 like the Gambino crime family and the Hells Angels. But you might recognize it today from other big-name trials, like Young Thug and former President Donald Trump. Essentially, they wanted to show that Paul was the boss. He ran an organization that was responsible for all the crimes, the drugs, witness tampering, and most importantly for Sean, murder. But this time around, with this confidential informant, Sean wasn't taking any chances.
Starting point is 00:19:39 She wanted to avoid another chemo situation, in many ways. I would double check everything. I would make sure that, you know, we didn't just have one recording device on her. We had two or three in case there was any confusion or one didn't work. Some days, Mary would go in to see Paul on one of these FBI-rigged money laundering exchanges, and things wouldn't go as planned. Like he would physically grab her. Mary was wired, but Paul wasn't looking for a recording device.
Starting point is 00:20:08 That's not why he was feeling her up. He would ask her to lift up her shirt. He wanted to see her chest. Like, he was just very handsy with her. Sean listened to see if Mary would use her safe word. If she'd have to barge in. But Mary played it cool. It was painful for Sean to listen to.
Starting point is 00:20:26 She'd put Mary in this position. Sean felt her blood pressure rising. He thinks he's entitled to just grope her and treat her like a piece of shit just because she's a female. He thought he was entitled to everything and he thought he could do whatever he wanted and that the law didn't pertain to him. Sean really wanted to nail Paul.
Starting point is 00:20:48 And with the evidence she'd gotten through Mary, it seemed like she might be able to. Mary had even become friends with his longtime girlfriend, Yolanda Haragui. Paul was still married to his wife, but shared a condo with Yolanda. Paul and Yolanda weren't just romantic and domestic partners. They owned a restaurant in Newark named Isabella's,
Starting point is 00:21:08 a restaurant that was suspected of being a drug front. Yolanda ran the place. With Mary's help, Sean helped to flip Yolanda and get her to testify against her boyfriend. The plan was to send Mary to Yolanda with a pile of cash and see if she could get her
Starting point is 00:21:23 to launder it through the restaurant. And Yolanda with a pile of cash and see if she could get her to launder it through the restaurant. And Yolanda agreed, and we did a recording. Mary set up a meeting with Yolanda at a local hair salon. Yolanda got her hair done while they chatted about laundering $10,000 Mary had gotten from the FBI. Yolanda will then turn around and write a check from the restaurant to Mary for, let's just say, cleaning expenses
Starting point is 00:21:48 or equipment purchase, something, right, that makes it look like clean money. But the salon was noisy, and the recording of their conversation wasn't very clear. My gut was telling me, as soon as I heard the recording, there was obviously another piece of the conversation
Starting point is 00:22:03 I had missed. Listening back, Sean thought she caught Mary going off script. Mary had said, Hey, can you hold this money for me, Yolanda? I'll come back and get it in a couple days. Yolanda was supposed to turn the dirty money into a check. But it never happened. Days went by. Then weeks.
Starting point is 00:22:26 No word. And no clean money. Sean didn't know what was taking so long. She finally decided to force the issue with Mary. I'll never forget. We scooped her up. I said, you have a conversation with Yolanda right now. She coached Mary to demand the money back from Yolanda.
Starting point is 00:22:43 Sean wired Mary up and sent her back in. Sean listened while Mary and Yolanda talked. And then Mary asked the question, what is the clock time on that money? The conversation caught Yolanda off guard. She was confused by it because it's Mary trying to force a conversation for something that doesn't make sense. Yolanda said, I gave you that money back. Sean realized she'd gotten played by her informant yet again. She lied and actually pocketed the money. Not surprising, but it's gut-wrenching. They drove Mary straight to the FBI offices.
Starting point is 00:23:19 We brought her right down to the arrest room. I said, you stole that money. And she admitted to it. Sean wanted to arrest Mary on the spot. She was furious. But the team decided against it. Sean had gotten so much information from Mary. She was critical in their effort to build a money laundering case against Paul Berggrin, which she figured would show that Paul was running illegal activity out of his office. But now all that evidence was pretty much unusable. How could Mary ever be a credible witness? I then had to tell the prosecutors, and it's like,
Starting point is 00:23:56 you know, that almost negated everything else she did. And I thought, all these months and over a year of all this hard work, and it's all gone because she's no longer credible. And that was devastating. Sean wouldn't be able to use anything she got from Marion Court. That angle was totally blown. Sean was still reeling from this massive setback when she got a surprising tip. I'm on the phone in my squad area, FBI Newark. A detective with NYPD called me and he said, we've got to talk about Paul Bergeron. I said, what do you mean? And I'm thinking, who is this guy? And is this just a bunch of bullshit? The New York detective on the other end of the line wanted to talk to Sean about New York Confidential.
Starting point is 00:24:37 The cop told her the whole story, Paul's involvement with Jason, the raid, and Paul taking the reins at New York Confidential. But there were all kinds of crazy stories from this brothel. I mean, some of the things, just the craziest things I've ever heard. He would lock his office door, have sex right there in his office, not just occasionally, but very frequently. He was keeping the women in business.
Starting point is 00:24:57 He kept it afloat. He was comping public officials. Who does that? What defense attorney takes over a brothel? When she hung up the phone, Sean was re-energized. who does that? What defense attorney takes over a brothel? When she hung up the phone, Sean was re-energized. Running an illegal escort service, this was exactly what she needed to show that Paul was at the helm of a criminal empire. This could be the key to taking Paul down and sticking him with Kimo's murder.
Starting point is 00:25:26 And so we were able to fold that into our investigation. And pretty soon, that investigation would have Paul feeling the heat. Run from the boogeyman. Later that fall, John Edwards Tiffany said he was working when Paul Bergrin came into his office. And he says, hey brother, you got a second? Earlier that year, Paul had given John an office in the same building he worked in, the Robert Treat Center in downtown Newark. It was a beautiful building with murals on the walls. All he would have to do is help Paul out every once in a while,
Starting point is 00:26:11 maybe cover a case or two, represent a co-defendant. Paul said John could use his staff and didn't have to pay rent. It was the kind of thing you do for a friend, a very loyal friend. So when Paul requested a talk, it seemed like the right thing to do.
Starting point is 00:26:27 I said, sure. We walked down the hall, and he goes, let's go up to the roof. Now, that was unusual. Usually, the pair would talk in an office or a conference room. He wants to be up on the roof because he wants to have ultimate privacy.
Starting point is 00:26:40 Clearly, something was up, and it was serious. There's no furniture. It's a gravel-type roof. You're up there. I mean, you're having a conversation that it's going to be private. You know, you've got to discuss the situation. You're by yourself. You're free from disgrace. There's no furniture up there. It's like driving out to a remote wooded place and meeting somebody.
Starting point is 00:26:59 The lights of the city shone beneath him. The office blocks, the red brick housing projects, and the Passaic River slowly snaking out to the New York Harbor. He goes, listen, I have a headache and maybe you can help me out. Paul explained that a Newark police officer had been charged for soliciting a prostitute at New York Confidential. And he had to appear in criminal court in New York the next couple days. This was a problem for Paul.
Starting point is 00:27:28 He was now much more than just a lawyer when it came to New York Confidential. And he could be implicated in the tangle of felonies that came with it. Paul wanted to make this go away before it turned into something bigger. But he couldn't represent the cop himself. His association with New York Confidential was already drawing too much attention. He needed someone else to take care of this case. And Paul says, do you know anybody we can send there? This really wouldn't be a good look.
Starting point is 00:27:55 John recommended a lawyer he'd worked with in the past. He was a good guy. John trusted him. When they left the roof that evening and went back downstairs, John called his friend, who took over the case for Paul. John didn't hear about it again until a few months later, during the holidays. His lawyer friend called to give him some news. The case against a police officer was being dismissed. I'm thinking this is the easiest appearance and easiest money I've ever made.
Starting point is 00:28:23 But then, his friend told him what happened next. As soon as they walked out of the courtroom, bang, the Newark police officer was hit with a grand jury subpoena to testify for the grand jury on an ongoing investigation regarding New York Confidential. Ongoing investigation? That did not sound good to John. It looked like the feds were involved in this case. They're investing money, and it is likely that at some point down the road,
Starting point is 00:28:51 some indictment's going to come down, and it may very well involve Paul. The cop's testimony would presumably point to Paul as the real culprit. That's when I knew the shit hit at the fan in a kind of a significant way. The next time John got a chance to talk to Paul was at the office Christmas party. Paul at this party every year. This time, he'd reserved a restaurant in Little Italy, not too far from the New York Confidential Loft. People were milling about, having drinks, having a good time. The office staff had been invited, other local attorneys, and clients too. There were people that Paul mixed with that he had maybe represented, but not, you know, we're not talking about gangbangers or, you know,
Starting point is 00:29:38 former alleged unlicensed pharmacists, you know what I mean? John saw Paul across the room. That night, he wasn't wearing one of his signature designer suits. Instead, he had on a brown leather biker jacket. It was a little bit more cash, but certainly, you know, right and tight. That's Paul. As soon as he got the chance, John pulled Paul to the side to tell him that the newer cop had been subpoenaed. A big case was coming. Paul's sitting there going, well, you know, maybe this, maybe that, you know, trying to surmise. They said, no, no, no, no. This, this is a headache. He was trying to downplay it a little bit.
Starting point is 00:30:14 And I was trying to explain to him, I don't think this is anything to downplay. This is problematic. They kept getting interrupted by the party goers. And people are having a good time. And, you know, hey, Paul, how you doing? Hey, thanks, great. You know, his outward demeanor is not one of panic. He certainly is serious,
Starting point is 00:30:31 but he's not, like, coming apart at the seams. And it was almost like he seemed unmoved. It was like there was no reaction. I mean, if the guy ever played poker, he'd probably be a world champion. John left Paul with one last piece of advice. I said, you know, listen, you may want to consult a lawyer, you know, to get some sort of guidance. Paul was vulnerable on both sides of the river. He was knee-deep in money laundering in Newark
Starting point is 00:30:58 and promoting prostitution in Manhattan. The feds were at his heels. Loyalty was everything to Paul. But everyone has a price. Even someone very, very close to him. We were able to get her on board. And we learned from her how this really worked, who the individuals were that Bergeron worked with. And then we got to see the world of how big this really was. That's on the next episode of Criminal Attorney.
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