Criminal - Rogers Park

Episode Date: November 7, 2025

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You know, we lost quite a few people from our neighborhood. We saw them literally take people like off of the ladder that they were. working on. There was like, I think there were landscapers that were taken, people who were working on roofs. Someone mentioned in the chat, say, hey, they are targeting vans, working vans, and stopping people. They already stop our landscapers. On Tuesday, October 21st, people on the north side of Chicago noticed men in cars, who they thought might be federal immigration agents.

No, I have people that work with me. they are also non-documented. And I have a van that I work with, a white utility band. We have three cars in our family. My wife has one car. I have a second car where I carry my child around the city, and I have my working car.

And I was like, you know, a little bit apprehensive of things that might happen. I said, I thought, hey, you know what, I'm just going to take you home, and let's take off today and tomorrow. One of the first people we met when we got to Chicago was a man named Gabe Gonzalez. We met him at an intersection around noon and got in his car. We asked him what he was doing. We're chasing ice. And what part of the city are we?

We are in Rogers Park on the northern side of the city. It's right up against the lake. It's a very diverse community. It's probably 25, 30% Latino, 20% African-American, lots of refugees from all over the world, maybe 35% Anglo. And ICE is circling the neighborhood. They are in other neighborhoods around us.

Gabe helps run an organization called Protect Rogers Park. He uses an encrypted app called Signal to communicate with people who volunteered to go out looking for ICE agents. There are a lot of volunteers. So what are you looking at right now? I'm looking at my signal thread, which has...

We've got this thing called verifiers, so people will put information on there about where they believe ice has been seen, and then there's moderators who will sort of collect it all and let us know where we need to focus on any given moment. When you're saying verifiers, Just what does that word mean?

Well, as you can imagine, many, many, many of the reports we get are actually not accurate, right? They're just people who are scared and they see something that looks scary to them. And so they report it. And the verifiers have been trained on how to identify ICE vehicles and how to identify ICE agents. And they will go out to where the report has come from. and they will verify if it's real or not. And if it's real, we then sort of move into gear to get other people on the scene

to slow eyes down, if not stop them. I mean, your phone is just constantly going off with alerts and things. Yeah, yes, it is. How is it? Gait pulled over to talk to someone standing on a street corner. How you doing? How is it? A bat.

Yeah, have you seen them specifically? Yeah, so they've been up and down Clark for the past couple hours. They were down, running down Devon for a while. We circled them on Wayne. They were just going in circles. And what car was that? Mostly all white SUVs. I'm sorry, hear you guys with...

I'm Gabe Gonzalez. Oh, hey. How are you? How are you? Mostly the white SUV Ford with a Michigan plate, with no front plate, the Florida plate, and then there's a California plate. All of those are white... The Florida plates of the Denali, right?

Yes. The volunteers keep track of certain license. plates on unmarked cars, they believe belong to immigration agents. What do you do with the whistle? So we, whenever there is ice sighted or someone is being detained by ice, for a sighting, we give the three long whistles and then for being detained, it's the three short, though a lot of times people also just do it constantly. And that's to kind of warn others in the area to get out of here.

So while we were following people on our bikes, where we were following an actual ICE vehicle. We blowed three times without anyone in the area. So landscapers, anyone who is possibly at risk outside knows to get inside and protect themselves and their families. So you'll be out here for as long as you can? Yes. That's the goal. Okay. All right. Bye Bye-bye. Yeah, of course. There's a hotline that people all over the state call to report when ice shows up. Lately they say they've been getting hundreds of calls a day. One day they got over 1,500. Protect Rogers Park first started monitoring ICE

in the neighborhood eight years ago during the first Trump administration. They tend to grab up people who are alone. They'll get people working in their yard, or on someone's yard, if not their own. We get people walking on the street, like that post office we just passed. We stopped them from trying to arrest this guy

who was riding by on a scooter. They pulled him over and they were hassling him, But luckily we were already on the street and there were a lot of us there. And when they saw that there was a big crowd there, they left. And are they asking anything about citizenship or papers or anything? Are they just taking them? Sometimes. It varies.

When they tend to ask is when people tend to say that they have them. And then they'll stop and ask. People who look a certain way. Yeah, like me. Well, darker people generally. Like somebody I know saw them hassling three, South Asians. You know, I don't really see them hanging around outside a Cubs game asking people for their papers. The mayor of Chicago declared Chicago, a sanctuary city in 1985. It still is one.

But on September 8th, a press release from the Department of Homeland Security announced that ICE would be launching an operation in Chicago. It called the city a, quote, magnet for criminals. About a month later, the Chicago mayor, signed a, quote, ICE-free zone executive order, banning federal immigration agents from using buildings and parking lots owned by the city. The Chicago police have nothing to do with this. I mean, they're not working. Legally, they are not allowed to coordinate with ice

because we are a sanctuary city. So our understanding of their operation at this moment is that they will not hinder, nor will they help ICE, and they will not hinder, nor will they help us. Gabe told us the volunteers start patrolling very early in the morning. We've had a number of volunteers who have guns pulled on them, and one that was arrested. I mean, these guys are like classic bullies.

Like, they will not stand up to a group, but they're more than happy to gang up three or four on somebody who's alone. And so we do what we call nonviolent direct action training. so it's like we teach them how to move in groups we teach them how to communicate we teach them how to be disciplined in their actions

and to use their bodies to slow down ice right how would you use your body to slow ice down well you know you could walk in front of them you could walk slowly in front of them

you could put your car in front of them you could you know there's any number of things that you could do ICE will tell you that a number of them are illegal for impeding the enforcement of a federal official we've talked to many lawyers and might have a difference of opinion about that we also train people in understanding their risk level and who can who can take more risk than others

yep you got to be fucking kidding me They were just there before. Gabe was on his phone constantly. When there were reports of immigration agents at one Home Depot, we drove to a different one, in case they showed up there too. So earlier today, they hit two Home Depot's, so I am headed to the place where I was this morning where they had apprehended someone,

mostly to warn others that we think they might be there. Yeah, what did happen at the Home Depot earlier today? So, yeah, like we got the call that they were chasing people at the Home Depot, which from where I live is about 10 minutes. So it took me a moment to get there. There were already like five or six people there. They had no longer chasing anybody, but they did find somebody in a van. And there's like five or six Border Patrol agents and a bunch of us sort of filming it and trying to explain to him his rights and that they didn't have to take him. He didn't have to go with him.

But he was in shock. He was just kind of like sort of staring around. That's the van he was in. Gabe filmed agents in border patrol uniforms and face coverings, opening the driver's side door of the van and speaking to the man sitting inside. We're at the Home Depot at Devon and California. There appear to be three, four, five members of the Border Patrol. They are trying to take this man out of the car.

There are a number of respondents here. They, he doesn't look like he wants to leave the car, and it doesn't look like they have a warrant. Otherwise, it probably just takes them. In the video, one of the men in uniform walks toward Gabe. It sounds like he tells him, you'll be arrested. You're here illegally. I'm not talking to you, motherfucker.

I'm not going to. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so anyway, no, no, there's to go to them, if they don't have an order of the, of the judge. A couple of an arrest. The man in the van looks at Gabe as he stands up from his seat. Then one of the officers walks between them, and another pulls the man out of the van.

There are at least four other people filming from different angles. The camera turns toward a white SUV, which seems to belong to the agents. A man with a motorcycle has positioned himself right in the path of the SUV. The agents tell the man to move the motorcycle. Okay. Move your bike out of the way. Move your bike on the way. Gabe walks up to him and starts talking to him, trying to help him stall.

This is a really nice bike, man. I'm just popping into the thing. Yeah, actually, they just started selling Roy in the United States. Is that right? Only in 2022. No shit. Move your bike right now. Honestly, and they're like $4,000 brand new.

Move your bike right now. You will be arrested. Kate? The lady's plate of the truck that they took him from. You ready? Yeah. The man moves his motorcycle out of the way. The agents get into the white SUV.

Another black SUV follows behind it. Okay. Did anybody get his name? I'm Phoebe Judge. This is criminal. This becomes the map of the city, right? They tried to take somebody in that apartment building down there, but we got there in time and they ran away. He wouldn't open the door, they were banging on the door.

We were banging on the door, open the door, open the door. They were kicking it and pounded on it, and then we showed up, and they split. About half an hour later, Gabe got a message about a volunteer who was arrested while patrolling. Do you know anything more about what happened? No. They found their car in an alley. It was abandoned. The driver's side door was open, so, I mean, we can do the math. That's all we know.

We contacted the National Lawyers Guild, and they're hunting for them now, and probably we'll be able to find them relatively soon, but they just leave the car there, you know? They pull the person out and... That's what they do with folks who are undocumented, too. But with the undocumented folks, because they have less rights, they'll just break the window and grab them. You find these cars a lot on the southwest side, but you find them all over, where it's like windows broken. A person isn't there. Cars undisturbed other than that. Have you ever seen anything like this?

Like the ice escalation? Yeah. No. No. Like, there's not, there's never been anything like this. I mean, I've never, as an adult, you know, living in the city of Chicago, I've never seen anything like this. We'll be right back. Support for Criminal comes from NetSuite by Oracle.

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Across Chicago, teachers are reporting fewer students showing up to school. Someone at the Teachers Union said, I'm hearing from educators whose classrooms are half empty because families are scared. I was talking to a bunch of businesses yesterday, and it depended on the business, but anyway, from 30 to 50% of the business that they used to have, they don't have anymore. So there's people who are directly affected

who are scared and like trying to lay low and just trying to go about their daily lives. And there's not only them, but it's their American citizen relative. It's like usually there's what they call mixed status households, which means some of the people have papers and some don't. And then you've got like, you know, plenty of good old-fashioned U.S. citizens who are angry and want to see something change

because this is not what we were, you know, this is not what we told America was. Gabe Gonzalez says more than 950 people have started volunteering as verifiers with Protect Rogers Park. And their network on Signal includes more than 2,000 people. We look at Signal 24-7. You know, you wake up at the morning, it's the first thing you look at.

you go to bed, it's the last thing you look at. There's a couple more of ours right here. So there really are people on almost every corner, you know, monitoring. Yeah, the numbers that give you, we're not, they're real, they're not bullshit. Plus, we have school, we have 16 school patrols. We have a whole other channel with elected officials, a whole other channel with school principals. Yeah, it's quite, it's quite the operation. He has a hands-off Chicago sign in the front window of his house in Rogers Park,

and there are whistles by the front door. He sat at the kitchen table to talk. Where did you grow up? Michigan City, Indiana, just across the lake. Growing up so close to Chicago, did you think to yourself, I'm going to move there when I'm older? Always. Yeah, always, yeah. Not a lot of people get out of Michigan City.

And not a lot of people want to. Good on them. but I did. The promise of Chicago to me was always the promise of America allegedly, which is like, you know, you work hard, you like, don't get into too much trouble, you'll do okay. That's what I think a lot of people still feel about this place. I love it. And it is so diverse, right?

For Midwest, it's like you can meet anybody in Chicago. Like, the assumption is that even a couple generations back, Somebody just came here, right, somewhere. Where are your people from? It's like a pretty standard question. Unless you hear their last name and you already know where their people are from. Because there's a lot of that, too.

I think they've done some statistics on it, but like Rogers Park looks, racially, actually mirrors the rest of Chicago. This is Marisa Graciosa. She and Gabe got married 11 years ago, a year after they moved to Rogers Park. She grew up in Wisconsin. My dad is a pediatrician, my mom is an OB-GYN, and so they immigrated here from the Philippines in the late 70s.

I was born in New York, and then they tried to find a place to get a job and raise a family, and there were a few options. Georgia was an option, I think Tennessee was an option, and they landed in Wisconsin. Marisa and Gabe started Protect Rogers Park together with some neighbors in 2017. I remember actually my son, I was pregnant, and almost every single onesie that either a friend made or bought for us were like all political. So, like, we had little onesies for him that said bad ombre. And at the time I was, anyway, everyone was just, everything was political, right? I knew that I was about to raise my son in this very political, divisive moment. But like, when he won, it just became clear that our folks were going to be a turretsy.

And when I say our folks, it's like, yes, undocumented people, but, like, more specifically, like, people that I love and that I know. Like, I know, because I live in this community, because my parents are immigrants, I know a lot of people who may not have papers or who were documented at the time and who were incredibly scared. And so I just, I remember thinking, like, I can't affect what's going on in the next. national level. I don't see any legislation coming forward or anything like that. But what I can control is like what happens here in this community. She and Gabe and their neighbors organized a meeting in the neighborhood. Hundreds of people showed up. They started training people to identify ace agents and let people in Rogers Park know when they saw them.

Gabe says back then, there were a few big raids, but nothing like it's been lately. Was yesterday unusual for Rogers Park with the amount of activity going on? Yeah, we just haven't seen this much activity, but now we've had, like, just in the last week and a half, three pretty intense days where we've seen several cars that we've identified as ICE. We've had several neighbors, witness, record, abductions, and that's pretty intense. As we were talking with Marisa, Gabe rushed in. Hi. Did you see the signal? No.

Where? Where? Northeastern is Albany Park? Yeah, it's like if you came to Albany Park in Westridge. I already told our folks on the very first. Okay. So it sounds like they're on the north side-ish. Multiple cars at Kimball and Hollywood.

It seems like they're not confirmed kidnappings at this point, but it looks like there may be activity in an Albany park, which is like 15, 20 minutes from here. It's interesting. Both of you and Gabe use the word kidnapping. That's what it is. They're just taking people. And then they ask questions later.

there's an FAQ section on ICE's website one of the questions is is ice snatching or kidnapping people off the streets the answer reads quote ice doesn't kidnap people everyone in ICE custody is accounted for and you can search the online detainee locator system

or contact a local field office to find someone you're looking for end quote But there have been reports of delays and errors in that system. And this year, immigration agents have also detained many people who are in the country legally. In a recent Supreme Court case about ICE arrests in Los Angeles, Justice Sonia Sotomayor wrote that, quote, Immigration agents are not conducting brief stops for questioning.

They are seizing people using firearms, physical violence, and warehouse detentions, nor are undocumented immigrants the only ones harmed by the government's conduct. United States citizens are also being seized, taken from their jobs, and prevented from working to support themselves and their families. End quote.

On October 9th, several people were arrested near the corner of Clark in Lund in Rogers Park, A man selling to Mollies was questioned, but he had his green card and was released. Two people he was with were put in the back of an unmarked car. And then word got out, right, like this had happened, and, you know, Rogers Park, like, blew up. The next thing you know, we had, like, probably 200 people on the street, all along Clark Street, all along Morris, which is another business avenue, like, on bikes, riding on. around the neighborhood, just really like, nah, this will not stand.

A few days later, border patrol agents were seen outside a church in Rogers Park during a Spanish-language mass. Ten minutes before the mass was about to let out, we put out the word that folks at St. Jerome's are afraid to leave mass. And there were like 50 people standing outside in 10 minutes. You know, and like walk them to their cars, walk them home. we'll be right back support for criminal comes from sacks fifth avenue sacks fifth avenue makes it easy to do holiday shopping your way whether you're looking for the right gift or the right outfit

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that when you are in other places that are more white. And mind you, I had live in the city of Chicago for almost 25 years. So tell me about, you know, a day when you're out patrolling. What are you doing? Well, like, we just came from patrolling school. Westridge Elementary School For over a decade, ICE wasn't allowed to arrest people in schools, churches, and hospitals.

But earlier this year, President Trump reversed that policy. Some volunteers have organized to help walk students to school, and they've put together teams to patrol the area nearby as the day starts and ends. Like yesterday over in Westridge, We had ice all over the place. It was a very hectic day, and many of the schools were doing inside recess. There's, yeah, they've got plans in place to keep the kids and staff and teachers safe inside.

This is another volunteer named Loretta. She'd also come from patrolling the school. In that role, what are you looking for? What are you doing? We are looking for the kinds of vehicles that ice typically drives, which a lot of people, also drive, but we do have specific vehicles that we know are ice vehicles. And then, of course, we try to see the driver. And lately what they've been doing is putting one guy up front. It's almost always guys, two in the back seat. And they're usually in some sort of camouflage gear.

And if they see you looking, they'll pull up their little face covers. So we're doing some, you know, vehicle profiling and driver profiling to try and see if these are people that are dangerous to our neighbors. And if they were to get out of the car and come towards someone, what would you do at that point? Well, we whistle as soon as we're sure it's ice. We have the three short whistles when we're sure we see ice, and then long whistles, if it looks like they're about to take somebody.

And, yeah, if they were getting out and coming towards somebody around me, I would be whistling, screaming. I would try to maintain a distance from them. I'm not sure I would always be able to do that. It's my intention to keep a distance and be loud and just try and warn people. The schools have a plan that when they hear whistles or La Migra or Isis here,

they take everyone inside, but it also alerts the neighbors. I think it's very important that you start from the basis that this is community, self-defense, that you are here to help all of us be safe in our neighborhood. It's ironic that you had to be safe against the government, but that's what it is. Yesterday, when I went to the side of the adoption,

I saw that car of a woman that was taking, and there is the car just sitting there. You know, it's a reminder of someone that was driving, in that car that was disappeared. I also saw a picture reporting in one of the channels of ice going into the Home Depot in Evanston, and they were inside the store. There were two ice agents on top of the back

of the person that was there. You could see in the picture the man's hat on the side, and that is mind-blowing that someone goes to Home Depot to get materials for their work. work and ends up being kidnapped you know and and then overall having lost so many people yesterday it's a sense of loss this is our neighbors they had taken one of us more than one I moved here when I was a 30 30 32 more or less Here's another volunteer.

He moved to the U.S. from Mexico. My name is David, David in English, David in Spanish. I'm a Rogers Park resident for the last 18 years. Why did you choose to live in Rogers Park? My wife is a white woman, and me I'm a Latino guy, a brown-skinned Latino guy. So my wife's idea of research and what neighborhood will be the best for interracial couples and we find out that Ruius Park has like a close to 90 languages spoken

with a high diversity from all over the places. So we say, well, Rory's part it is. And since then we are here. What did you know about Chicago before you moved here? What did you come straight from Mexico to Chicago? That's a very interesting question. People always ask me that, like, why did I choose Chicago? Short answer is like, in Latin America, you don't hear about places like Cleveland.

Or you don't hear places about Oklahoma, you don't hear those names. But you hear about Chicago. When I came to the U.S., I stopped by Texas. I was there for a couple of weeks, and I earned $70 back in the 2000, 1999, and I wanted to go north. So I went to the Greenhound bus station. I approached the girl at the counter, and I told her, I had $70. How far I can go north? So she started looking at that schedules of the buses

and she said, well, you can go to three places and the tickets are going to cost you the same. One, you can go to Cleveland, Ohio. You're going to pay $67 with 54 cents, let's say that. You can go to North Carolina and you're going to pay $67. with 54 cent to North Carolina. You can go to Chicago, and you can pay 67 with 54 cents.

So that's up to you. So, say, well, give me a ticket to Chicago. And that's how I end up in Chicago. What was the first job you got when you got here? Oh, my God, I had dozens of jobs. I worked in a chocolate factory, I were in a plastic factory, I worked in a beds factory, so many places, until I found a job that came in my faith. And from that moment, or from that work on, my life has been beautiful in Chicago. I mean, up to this moment, I have no worries other than immigration.

than that, my life is happy, is worryless. So, yeah. Now, I think I did the most wonderful, wise decision coming here because I have built a community here. How do you see this ending? I don't know. I don't know. I know this, like the unexpected consequence of this is that, People in Chicago are more and more organized every day.

Well, I hope it's going to end with us defeating this whole project and getting these people out of our city. I like to believe Delia Ramedes when she said yesterday, you're not going to beat Chicago. Last night, we got a message from an undocumented person who was driving in the neighborhood and overheard the whistles. and realized, oh, something's up there and then did a U-turn and just went a different way. We know that there were people taken today, but then we also don't know the number of people

who maybe were able to turn around because I heard whistles. And this one woman messaged us and said, yeah, I was able to avoid that area because I heard whistles and you were there and thank you. I have another day. I mean, you know, using a whistle to warn, I mean, this could be 300 years ago. You know, it's, in some ways, the most basic warning system. Yeah. Give some agency back to people to say, like, because I think there was a moment we're like, what the fuck are we going to do?

They have guns. They have tasers. They have tear gas. What can a regular person do about this? And it was just so, it was so elegant in a way. and is that tiny non-violet, it's absolutely non-violent, right? And absolutely within our rights as people who live in this country to just blow the whistle to say that they're here.

Probably this is a silly thing on me, but I don't want fear to paralyze us, to stop living. No, we're extra careful. Whenever we go to Home Depot, we just travel around one, two, three times, making sure that nothing is suspicious. And we escaped once. We got there 10 minutes after they left. When people saw me at Home Depot, they recognized me and say, hey, be careful. They just left. And they're like, oh, my God, let's get stuff and let's go.

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