Criminal - The Boy Scout

Episode Date: November 14, 2025

When David Hahn was 16, he started working on something that caught the attention of the Environmental Protection Agency, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, and the FBI. Ken Silverstein’s book is T...he Radioactive Boy Scout. Say hello on Facebook, Instagram and TikTok. Sign up for our occasional newsletter. Follow the show and review us on Apple Podcasts. Criminal Plus is now on Patreon! Sign up to get behind-the-scenes bonus episodes of Criminal, ad-free listening of all of our shows, invitations to virtual events, access to chat rooms about our episodes, special merch deals, and more. We also make This is Love and Phoebe Reads a Mystery. Artwork by Julienne Alexander. Check out our online shop. Episode transcripts are posted on our website. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:02:59 Now, here's the show. Can you describe Gulf Manor? It's like a perfect little suburban subdivision that had a back-to-the-future charm. It's in the suburbs of Detroit. It's outside of Detroit. Author Ken Silverstein. And, I mean, if you want peace and quiet,
Starting point is 00:03:20 it just seems perfectly idyllic. You would never expect anything out of the ordinary to happen. there. The most unusual thing you'd spot would be a Mr. Softy ice cream truck pulling up and kids running up to get ice cream. You know, that's the type of neighborhood it is. On June 26, 1995, Doddy Peace, who lived in Gulf Manor, was driving home from work and saw something strange in her next-door neighbor's yard. She pulls into her driveway, and there are a group of men dressed in moon suits, and they were, you know, like something out of some nightmare, you know,
Starting point is 00:04:01 Twilight's own episode, swarming around this perfect little manicured lawn, and they were focused on this potting shed in the backyard. And they were dismantling this potting shed with electric saws and then stuffing it into these steel drums with radioactive warning signs. It must have been very hard to process this scene. What did she think was going on? She really had no idea initially, and the men in the moon suits weren't being terribly forthcoming.
Starting point is 00:04:40 They weren't being forthcoming at all. And there were a group of neighbors standing out, and she went up to join them, and nobody really knew what was going on, but one of the neighbors told Daddy that And there'd been someone who'd woken up, you know, in the middle of the night and saw this strange, eerie glow emanating from the potting shed, which made Dotty even more nervous and alarmed. And she went to her house and called her husband, and she said, Dave, there are men in funny suits walking around here. You've got to do something.
Starting point is 00:05:20 Doddy pieces next-door neighbors were a couple named Michael Polasek and Patty Hawn. Patty had a teenage son, David, who stayed with them on weekends. She and his father were divorced. The men in the moon suits were there because of something David had done, something that had caught the attention of the Environmental Protection Agency, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, and the FBI. I'm Phoebe Judge. This is criminal.
Starting point is 00:06:02 Tell me a little bit about what David Hahn was like growing up. As a, you know, five, six, seven-year-old, he was, you know, a traditional young boy growing up in the suburbs. As he got a little bit older, you know, most boys, like ride their bikes, you know, play baseball. But David became very, very obsessed with science. David's parents got divorced when he was nine. He went to live with his father, Ken, during the week. Not long after the divorce, Ken began dating a woman named Kathy. And within a year, they bought a house together, about 45 minutes.
Starting point is 00:06:46 away from Gulf Manor. When David was 10 in the late 1980s, Kathy's father gave him a book, an out-of-print copy of the Golden Book of Chemistry Experiments. It was written for young boys and girls, and it was written in like the 60s. You know, this was the age where, you know, it was believed that science would solve all of our problems.
Starting point is 00:07:15 You know, it was for kids, but it confidently asserted that, you know, not too long in the future, we'd all be driving around in like jet. You know, it would be like the Jetsons. And science would solve everything from diseases. We'd have probably Martian colonies. It was just this incredibly utopian vision. And it resonated with David. He became very, very quickly. obsessed with the book. And there was a little section that he read over and over and over again.
Starting point is 00:07:53 On a page with the heading, What's a Head in Chemistry, there is a short section called Atomic Energy that read, The Force Hidden in the Atom Will Be Turned into Light and Heat and Power for Everyday Uses. And then it said, do you want to share in the making of that astonishing and promising future? Well, David did for all sorts of different reasons, but he wanted to be part of that. By the time David was 12, he was reading his father's college chemistry textbooks. His report cards at school were usually terrible, except for science. He started making his own fireworks using a formula he'd found in a library book. He got the magnesium shavings he needed from an auto shop,
Starting point is 00:08:41 and the metal that made the fireworks red from high-house. safety flares that he bought at the hardware store and split open. He'd put on firework shows for the neighborhood. He was always sort of shy, but he was, like, it made him, it was a way for him to be popular. He set up a laboratory in his bedroom at his father's house and conducted most of the experiments in the Golden Book of Chemistry. He started mowing lawns so he could afford the equipment and chemicals. One time, he followed the book's instructions.
Starting point is 00:09:13 for producing chloroform and ended up passing out after he held it up to his nose. He didn't tell his parents about it when he woke up. He didn't have a lot of oversight, and, you know, his parents thought it was cool. I mean, hey, you know, better science than, you know, hanging out with rowdy teenagers
Starting point is 00:09:31 or getting into drugs or anything. But then they started getting a little bit concerned because there were, like, little explosions and accidents happening in the bedroom, and there were burn marks and holes in the walls. The carpet was stained. They had to rip it out. You know, it looked like a war zone or something.
Starting point is 00:09:55 His parents told him he couldn't do any more experiments in his bedroom, but he could keep doing them in the basement. When David wired up a bug zapper to the house's electricity and used it to raise and lower the voltage throughout the house, his stepmother started to lose patience and told his father that he really had to do something. So his father decided to convince David to join the Boy Scouts. David's father had been a Boy Scout growing up
Starting point is 00:10:23 and thought it would be a healthy distraction. David loved it, but he kept doing his experiments. He started working other jobs to pay for them. One was as a grocery bagger at Kroger's supermarket. One day, another employee dropped eight containers of ammonia on the floor, when they broke the fumes, which can be dangerous,
Starting point is 00:10:47 spread through the store. David knew just what to do. He ran to the aisle with toilet bowl cleaners, grabbed one called the Works, and poured the bottle on the spilled ammonia. It created a huge white cloud, but the smell went away. The Works had an acid component
Starting point is 00:11:06 that neutralized the ammonia base. David's boss, who thought he had made a talk toxic gas when he saw the cloud, got ready to evacuate the store, and fired David. He apologized later when he learned from poison control that David had done exactly what he should have. One night, his father and stepmother were just sitting up in the living room, watching TV, and there was a huge explosion coming from the basement. And they ran down there, and David was lying on the floor, barely conscious. His eyebrows were smoking, is what they told me.
Starting point is 00:11:47 And he had been playing around as part of one of his experience with red phosphorus, and he wasn't aware how that could easily trigger an explosion. So he'd been pounding it with a screwdriver. And when he was doing that, it triggered this explosion. And he, you know, they had to take him to the hospital, and he had to have his eyes flushed. And for months, he had to go see an ophthalmologist. And, you know, it could have been, he was lucky. It could have been far worse.
Starting point is 00:12:20 And but then his father and stepmother were like, okay, that's it. No more experimenting. And like, so David did what every teenager would do under the circumstances. He pretended to comply. But what he did instead was simply he shifted his laboratory from the basement out to the potting shed at his mother's home in golf manner. And his mother and her boyfriend, every once in a while, they'd see something that they thought was a little strange, like, you know, David would routinely wear a gas. mask when he went out to the potting shed. And he'd sometimes, you know, stay out there until two or three in the morning.
Starting point is 00:13:11 And there'd be, you know, there'd be, like, flashing lights coming from the potting shed and all. But it didn't seem that out of the ordinary. And, you know, like, I don't know about you, but as a teenager, my God, I mean, I did incredibly reckless, stupid stuff, and nobody was paying attention. Okay, it's strange, but it's great. Like, David's focused. He's getting, at least he's getting A's in a science class, and he's excited about school, at least about science.
Starting point is 00:13:41 And he was still very active in his scout troop, although he was thinking about dropping out by the time he was 14 because it took time away from his experiments. But when he talked to his father about it, he convinced David to keep going. His father really wanted him to become an Eagle Scout because his father hadn't had fallen just short. At the time, only about 2% of scouts made it to Eagle Scout.
Starting point is 00:14:09 To do it, David would have to earn 21 merit badges. Some were required, like First Aid, personal fitness, and camping. But others were elective. And one of them was the atomic energy merit badge. David Scoutmaster later said that he was the only scout in the history of their troops. to try for it. The atomic energy merit badge pamphlet that he was using to get his merit badge was more or less written by the Westinghouse Electric, the American Nuclear Society, and the Edison
Starting point is 00:14:43 Electric Institute, which is a trade group of utility companies, many which had nuclear plants. So there was no skepticism, there was no questioning of whether this was good for the country, or it might be dangerous. It was just at the level of the Golden Book of Chemistry Experiments. One project you could do to earn the merit badge was to build a little model reactor. Using ping pong balls and tennis cans and just the sort of thing you'd see at a teenage science fair.
Starting point is 00:15:23 That's, of course, what most kids do. but not David. We'll be right back. To listen without ads, join Criminal Plus. Support for Criminal comes from Quince. Quince delivers everyday essentials for cooler weather that feel luxurious, look timeless, and make holiday dressing and gift-giving feel effortless. I've decided that I'll be getting the same gift for a lot of people this year.
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Starting point is 00:18:34 but if you went to the gas station and you filled your tank, you'd never really have to fill it again because your car would be generating more gasoline than it was consuming. The U.S. government had been attempting to make breeder reactors since the 1940s. The first one had a core melt. within a few years, and the facility had to be permanently closed. Another one had a partial meltdown just three months after it started generating electricity and was shut down for years.
Starting point is 00:19:09 In the 1970s, the government poured money into a breeder reactor project in Tennessee, and by the early 1980s, it was the largest public works project in the United States. In 1983, it became clear it would come clear it would cost too much to finish the project, and they had to give it up. Ten years later, David decided to try. And, you know, when you're a teenager, it's not that crazy. I mean, you might think, well, of course, it's crazy to think that you could build a breeder reactor, but I don't know.
Starting point is 00:19:47 I mean, I had crazy ideas when I was at age. You know, you think you can achieve anything. But for David, it was the validation, the recognition. You know, it was a way for David. You know, like other kids might excel at, again, baseball or basketball or something. But David, science, it was something that he was very good at. David found a diagram of a breeder reactor in one of his father's college textbooks. But it didn't have all the details about how you might put it together and what materials you'd need.
Starting point is 00:20:21 So David wrote letters to the organization. listed in the Eagle Scout Atomic Energy Merit Badge pamphlet. He told me he was writing up to 20 letters a day. And he was writing to industry and to the Department of Energy. And he would write letters claiming sometimes that he was a physics instructor at Chippewa Valley High School, which he attended, and that he needed material. or information to engage his students
Starting point is 00:20:57 and to get them excited about nuclear power. Most of the time it didn't work. But for every 10 letters he sent, he'd get a couple of replies. David exchanged a lot of letters with the director of isotope production and distribution at the Department of Energy, a man named Donald Erb. And also with the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
Starting point is 00:21:20 And he learned that a lot of radioactive materials weren't as hard to get as you would think. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission sent him a list of sources. Uranium, which David needed, was hard to find. But David had learned he could make his own. He'd read in a scientific encyclopedia that the isotope thorium 232 can become uranium 233.
Starting point is 00:21:48 And thorium, which was named after the Norse god of thunder, Thor, was something David could find. The American Nuclear Society had sent him a brochure called Dreams and Dragons, which said that thorium-232 is used to coat a part in gas lanterns to make them glow more brightly. David managed to get a few dozen gas lanterns from camping surplus stores, but it wasn't enough. So he paid someone who worked at a camping equipment store to steal some from the storeroom. It took David almost a whole weekend to turn them into ash with a blowtorch. When he was done, he stored it in milk jugs and shoeboxes.
Starting point is 00:22:32 But he wanted to make it more radioactive. So he cut open batteries and pried lithium from the center. And he heated the lithium with the ash. He got out a Geiger counter he'd ordered from a catalog. It started clicking as soon as he turned it on. Did he know about the danger of radioactive materials? I mean, he knew a little bit about it, but he just didn't take it seriously. I mean, he did take some precautions.
Starting point is 00:23:03 He knew there were some dangers. So, you know, he wore a gas mask in the potting shed. That would take care of it. You know, he didn't have proper material, but he put together a little makeshift lead poncho. So he, you know, would throw out his clothes sometimes. I mean, he changed his shoes. He left him in the backyard. You know, he wasn't taking elaborate precautions.
Starting point is 00:23:33 You know, there was all sorts of information out there that might have given him caution. But there was nothing that was going to deter him. He took this, you know, this fantasy version of a 1960s book. the Golden Book of Chemistry Experiments, and he didn't really stray too far from the utopian version that was presented to him. To transform the thorium into uranium, David needed to build something called a neutron gun.
Starting point is 00:24:04 He got a block of lead and hollowed it out with a chisel, and then he had to find the right elements to fill the chamber. One of them was easy to find. It was just aluminum, which David bought from a chemical supplier. But the other element was less available. It had to be a certain kind of radioactive substance. David had his heart set on radium, which the golden book of chemistry called a miracle element.
Starting point is 00:24:34 In the early 1900s, radium was used in all kinds of products, from lipstick to energy drinks. Clock faces and dials were painted with a radium-infused paint to make them glow. The employees at the clock and watch factories who did the painting, usually young women, were told the paint was harmless. So they take these little paintbrushes of quite thin point and put them in their mouth to, you know, with the radium paint to sort of make a point with the tip of the little paintbrush they were using.
Starting point is 00:25:06 Many of them became very sick, or died of radiation poisoning. We have an episode about this. It's called the Dial Painters. The women took legal action. against their employers in highly publicized cases, which helped lead to the creation of OSHA, the occupational safety and health administration, and better protections for people who work with chemicals. David didn't know about what had happened to the women
Starting point is 00:25:33 who had painted the clocks, but he did know about the clocks. So he would take his Geiger counter that he had mounted on the dashboard of his car and drive around Detroit heading to junkyards and antique stores and taking in his Geiger counter to see if, you know, if there was anything that he might be able to buy to collect the radium he needed.
Starting point is 00:26:00 And this was slow going, you know, spending the weekend driving around. And you're, you know, if you find anything, you're scraping the paint off of the clock into some little container and slowly building up your stockpile. David spent a weekend
Starting point is 00:26:20 scraping clocks with a screwdriver. But he only ended up with a small pile of paint chips. So he had to give up on radium and look for something else to use. He settled on an element called amoreseum. You can get amoreseum.
Starting point is 00:26:36 I think you still can, although I'm not sure. But back in the day, smoke detectors contained a little chip of amoreseum. David had stolen a few smoke detectors from his Boy Scout camp, but he would need a lot more.
Starting point is 00:26:51 One day he heard that a local business was selling damaged merchandise, including smoke detectors, at a discount, but they only had a few dozen. Then he found out that smoke alarm companies will sell expired detectors directly to buyers. So he wrote to one of them, saying he was working on a school project,
Starting point is 00:27:11 and got about 100 smoke detectors for a dollar each. Initially, he was getting all of the material shipped to his father's house, and there'd be just boxes and boxes coming, but he told, you know, he told them the same thing, it's just for this, you know, it's for his high school science class. He figured out where to actually find the amorycium in the smoke detectors by writing to a smoke detector manufacturer. A customer service representative told him exactly where it was located,
Starting point is 00:27:41 sealed in a protective cover. David used pliers to pry it out. Once he had a pile of tiny chips of amaricium, he put on a paper hospital mask and welded them all together with a blow torch. David was finally ready to put together his neutron gun. But he still really wanted to use radium. He'd always go into an antique store if he saw one.
Starting point is 00:28:09 So one day, he has his Geiger counter And he walks into an antique store, and the Geiger counter just, like, goes off. And he was very excited because he knew somewhere in that store, he knew he had hit a gold mine of radium, a radium mine. And it turned out, you know, the Geiger counter led him to a table clock, and it had a tinted green dial. And after haggling over the price with the owner, he bought it. And when he took it home, what had triggered the Geiger counter was that there was, you know, in these old clocks, there was always a little tiny door in the side. If you needed to wind up the clock, there was like a little key you'd used to wind up these clocks. So there was this little door where you could do that.
Starting point is 00:29:05 But when David opened up that little door, there was a little box. bottle of radium paint. He never had a score like that. I mean, this was like, you know, robbing a bank. This was beyond David's wildest dreams. David put together a neutron gun with the radium. And when he was done, he put the gun on the floor of the potting shed and aimed it at the thorium. He covered the whole thing with a sheet of lead. And then he waited. He'd do his homework or watch TV for hours, then come back to check whether anything. was happening with his Geiger counter. But it wasn't working.
Starting point is 00:29:45 So David wrote to his pen pal at the Department of Energy, Donald Erb, to see if he knew what was going wrong. He presented it as a hypothetical problem. But Donald Erb had a very practical solution. Erb wrote back to tell David that the neutrons coming out of his gun were too fast, and that the Manhattan Project scientists had come across this problem too. David would need a filter to slow the neutrons down. He could use water or an isotope called tritium.
Starting point is 00:30:19 Well, David didn't want to do water. He didn't want ping pong balls or tennis cans. He didn't want to do anything the easy way. So he looked into his options, and what he found were glowing at our gun and bow sites, which had small amounts. It was a waxy substance inside the gun or bauxite, and they contained a tiny quantity of tritium. So he started, you know, conniving ways to obtain these gun sites.
Starting point is 00:30:53 He started ordering them from catalogs, scraping off the tritium and returning them, claiming the sites were defective. He wore dishwashing gloves and used a wooden coffee stirer to scrape off the tritium and kept what he got, in an old perfume bottle. And after doing all of this, he creates this filter to slow down the neutrons. And he's monitoring, he's always monitoring with his Geiger counter. And he's very happy because this powder is becoming more radioactive by the day. We'll be right back. Support for Criminal comes from Bombas.
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Starting point is 00:32:48 Support for this show comes from the audible original, the downloaded two, ghosts in the machine. The earth only has a few days left. Roscoe Cudulian and the rest of the Phoenix colony have to re-upload their minds into the quantum computer. But a new threat has arisen that could destroy their stored consciousness forever. Listen to Oscar winner Brendan Fraser reprised his role as Rosco Cudulian in this follow-up to the Audible Original Blockbuster, The Downloaded. It's a thought-provoking sci-fi journey where identity, memory, and morality collide. Robert J. Sawyer does it again with this much-anticipated sequel that leaves you asking,
Starting point is 00:33:28 What are you willing to lose to save the ones you love? The downloaded two ghosts in the machine Available now only from Audible By the end of the school year in 1994, David Hahn had everything he needed to put together his breeder reactor. He takes all of this and he, you know, after he realizes, hey, this is becoming more radioactive,
Starting point is 00:33:57 he took these powders, ash, and he creates foil-wrap cubes filled with these and then puts them together. And, you know, again, we're not talking about a sophisticated lab at all. I mean, he uses duct tape as part of the process of holding them all together, but it's the core. It's the pulsing nuclear core of his breeder reactor. And he told me,
Starting point is 00:34:31 me that he was at the lab out in Gulf Manor and monitoring with his Geiger counter, this nuclear core. And he said it was radioactive as heck. He said the level of radiation after a few weeks was far greater than it was at the time that he put the core together when he assembled these cubes into the core of the reactor. And he said, I know that some of the reactions that go on a breeder reactor were going on to a minute extent, with his, you know, little model core reactor. He must have been excited that it was working.
Starting point is 00:35:09 He was thrilled. He was ecstatic. He did become concerned as his Geiger counter was showing that he wasn't just picking up the signs of radiation inside the potting shed or in the backyard, but down the street from his mother's house. Around this time, he came across the story of the women who had become sick and died after working with the radium-infused paint that he'd
Starting point is 00:35:35 scraped off of clocks. He later said, I knew in theory that radium could be dangerous, but I'd never read about what had happened to people who handled it. I was pretty much scared to death. And he decides he needs to shut down the backyard potting shed and figure out what to do going forward. You know, he wasn't going to give up, but he realized, ooh, this. This may be dangerous to the neighbors. So he packs up his things. He packs up his raw material, his radioactive elements. He was keeping the material out in the shed in shoe boxes and stuff like this.
Starting point is 00:36:14 And he throws it into the back of his Pontiac in a toolbox. And he locked it with a padlock and he sealed it with duct tape. And as he was planning what to do, he was driving around in his Pontiac with all of his materials, you know, the mercury switches, thorium, amoreseum, and then the equipment that he had all, you know, he had everything in the trunk and thrown into this toolbox as he planned his next steps. And what happened?
Starting point is 00:36:46 What is known for certain is that, because there's a police report, at 2.40 a.m. on August 31, 1994, the police in Clinton Township, that's his father and set mother's neighborhood, got a call about a young man in a residential neighborhood who was reportedly stealing tires from a car. Said the police arrive at the scene and they find David and he says, I'm just waiting to meet a friend. And, you know, it's 2.40 in the morning. He doesn't provide much information, so the officers are not convinced, so they searched his car, and they discover the toolbox. And there is stuff thrown about the trunk as well that alarms them.
Starting point is 00:37:41 There's some of the foil wrap cubes with gray powder. There's mercury switches, clock faces. Fireworks, vacuum tubes, you know, equipment and strange material. So the police fear that maybe David is building an atomic bomb, a nuclear bomb. And, you know, they panic. And they decide to take David in, they question him, and they tow his car to police headquarters in Clinton Township. Which, they had to do something, but this wasn't, like, the greatest idea
Starting point is 00:38:26 because they realized soon after getting it to the police station that, you know, the police report said that they had discovered a potential improvised explosive device. And now they've towed it out front of the police headquarters. It's 6.30 in the morning. And they're like, oh, well, if this is, maybe we should really try to determine what this is because this could blow up police headquarters in half the town. And so they call in the bomb squad, and there was sort of good news and bad news. The good news was that the toolbox wasn't an atomic bomb.
Starting point is 00:39:05 So that's a big relief. On the other hand, the bad news was that the car, the trunk of the car, and the material they found was radioactive. One of the official reports stated that there were levels of thorium that were, quote, not found in nature, at least not in Michigan. And that triggered alarms, obviously. And so the bombs got in the local cops, contact the federal radiological emergency response plan officials and state officials about what the hell do we do. I mean, this is not a normal situation. We don't know what to do. They're on the phone with state and federal officials,
Starting point is 00:39:52 the local cops, and the bombs squad, with the Department of Energy, the EPA, the FBI, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. It's the crisis. What do we do? What the police had found in David's trunk had set into motion something called the Federal Radiological Emergency Response Plan.
Starting point is 00:40:11 It was originally put together after the Three-mile Island nuclear reactor accident in Pennsylvania in 1979. Cleanup took 14 years and cost about a billion dollars. The response plan was designed to help the government respond to a peacetime radiological emergency. The public could be instructed to stay inside and turn off any heating or air conditioning. A rumor control center could be set up to field questions and communicate with the press. The first step of the plan in David Hahn's case was to confirm that there weren't any radioactive materials
Starting point is 00:40:52 anywhere but the trunk of David's car. David didn't tell them much, and he gave them his father's address, which was quite clever. He didn't say anything about his mother's house or the potting shed out there, which he'd taken most of the stuff out of, but that's, you know, that was the danger from David's point of view is that the cops would go out to his mother's house.
Starting point is 00:41:13 he gives him the father's address, and they don't find anything, you know. And so they're like, okay, we've got everything, and it's not going to be anything beyond this. David was released from custody. But the head of the radiological division at the Michigan Department of Public Health still had questions about what the 17-year-old was working on. He scheduled an interview with David, but it had to be postponed when another emergency came up. About three months later, on Thanksgiving Day, he finally called David. David told him he'd been very careful with the Thorium and that he'd been working with it to earn Eagle Scout status.
Starting point is 00:41:56 When he called David again, a few days later to follow up, he was told that David was at his mother's house. No one had known about his mother's house or the potting shed. The expert from the Department of Health got the number and called David at the house at Gulf Manor right away. And he confesses, well, yeah, I didn't tell you everything. I didn't probably should have told you about the backyard lab out at my mom's house. And they're like, oh, shit.
Starting point is 00:42:29 A few days later, a team goes out to survey the scene at his mother's house. So that's when they discover, you know, he hadn't quite. quite packed up everything. The potting sheds had all sorts of crazy stuff out there, like not all of it was alarming, you know, aluminum pie pans and Pyrex cups and milk crates. But then there was other stuff around that was like, you know, that wouldn't have been alarming in isolation, but then they, you know, they know already that David's accumulated these radioactive materials.
Starting point is 00:43:07 and a future report describes excessive levels of radioactive material. To take one example, there was a vegetable can that they measured for radiation, and they found, it registered at 50,000 counts per minute, that's the count of a radiation level, which was a thousand times higher than normal levels of background radiation. The state experts padlocked the shed, and reached out to the federal government to ask for help. An environmental protection agency official later said
Starting point is 00:43:44 that he was shocked when he heard about what David had, and that, quote, it was some of the highest concentrated material that we'd encountered in private hands. The EPA sent over a team of experts dressed in moon suits. They were there to do a cleanup under the Superfund Act where the EPA was clean-up low-level to high-level radioactive sites if it posed a health hazard or environmental hazard.
Starting point is 00:44:14 They packed everything up, including the walls of the potting shed, and put it all in the steel drums marked as radioactive. There were 39 of them, and they were all sent to a special dump site for radioactive materials in Utah. But a lot of the most dangerous stuff was already gone. When David realized authorities were paying attention and that the EPA might be coming, he told his mother and her boyfriend.
Starting point is 00:44:43 They were afraid of losing their house, and so they started throwing David's things away in the household trash, including the radium. It ended up in the local landfill. David's father and stepmother grounded him for two weeks and took his car keys, and they told him that he had to stop his experiments. His extraordinary accomplishments weren't really recognized.
Starting point is 00:45:08 He was seen as a menace, a danger. Also, you know, some of the kids at the high school started calling him a radioactive boy. Once, David's girlfriend tried to send him balloons at their high school for Valentine's Day. And the high school principal thought, oh my God, the balloons are filled with chemical gases. David has done something insane again, and the balloons were seized. And then the scout leaders initially told him they were going to deny him Eagle Scout status, which he had earned in a rather unorthodox way, you know, saying that his merit badge project had endangered the town. But in the end, they did let him become an Eagle Scout.
Starting point is 00:45:55 After David graduated from high school, he went to community college and majored in metallurgy. But he left before graduating. and joined the Navy. He was stationed in Norfolk, Virginia, on the USS Enterprise, a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier. But he worked on the deck and in the kitchen, and wasn't even allowed to tour the ship's reactors. He had initially refused any medical test to determine whether his time in the podding shed had done any damage. But he eventually did get checked out, and doctors didn't find anything that indicated that the radiation exposure had hurt David. Ken Silverstein interviewed David for years for his book, The Radioactive Boy Scout.
Starting point is 00:46:42 David died 12 years after it came out of unrelated causes. In 2004, a 10-year-old named Taylor Wilson was given a book by his grandmother that inspired him to build a nuclear fusion. reactor when he was 14. The book was about David Hahn. Criminal is created by Lauren Spore and me. Nadia Wilson is our senior producer. Katie Bishop is our supervising producer. Our producers are Susanna Robertson, Jackie Zedico, Lily Clark, Lena Silison, and Megan Canane.
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