Criminal - The Custom of the Sea

Episode Date: October 24, 2025

In 1883, a sailing captain named Thomas Dudley accepted a job no one thought was a good idea: to sail a small ship called the Mignonette halfway across the world. Say hello on Facebook, Instagram and... TikTok. Sign up for our occasional newsletter. Follow the show and review us on Apple Podcasts. Sign up for Criminal Plus to get behind-the-scenes bonus episodes of Criminal, ad-free listening of all of our shows, special merch deals, and more. We also make This is Love and Phoebe Reads a Mystery. Artwork by Julienne Alexander. Check out our online shop. Episode transcripts are posted on our website. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:46 But by the time he was 30, steamships were taking more and more of the sailing business, and Thomas Dudley was looking for work. He was selling at a time when sailing was actually in decline. They call it the dying age of sail. Author Adam Cohen. So he was actually part of a dying way of life, the sailing life, and it was hard for him, particularly as a family man with children to support, to really make a living being a captain.
Starting point is 00:02:15 Then Dudley heard about a rich Australian who had bought a yacht in England and needed to get it back home. But it was much smaller than the boats you would usually take on such a long trip across open sea. The man was looking for a captain willing to sail the yacht back. Thomas Dudley had mostly sailed just around England, but he applied and got the job. The yacht was called the Mignonette, and it came with a 13-foot wooden lifeboat.
Starting point is 00:02:48 Thomas Dudley had about a month to get ready for the trip. So he has to hire a crew, first of all, and then he has to figure out the route. and then he had to supply the ship with the food and drink that would be necessary for the trip. He was really the master, as they called it, and captains back then were known as master, which was actually short for Master of God. There was this idea that they had this kind of king-like quality on the ship, and he was really in charge of everything.
Starting point is 00:03:21 Dudley had a hard time finding a crew. He only needed a few men, but the people he talked to about the job, told him it was too dangerous. Eventually, he convinced a pair of brothers to join, but just a few days later, the brothers quit. Dudley quickly hired someone else to replace them, but then that sailor quit too. So he hired three different people who all backed out,
Starting point is 00:03:47 first of all because they were worried that this was a very dangerous voyage in such a small ship, and also in a couple of cases, specifically because their wives told them they did not want them going. So there was a lot of fear around whether this was a wise voyage to take. Then Dudley heard from a man named Edmund Brooks. Brooks worked in the shipyard where the minionette was kept. He knew about the crew that had backed out, but he wanted to go to Australia.
Starting point is 00:04:18 There were supposed to be more jobs there with better pay. So he accepted a position for just over five pounds a month. Dudley offered eight pounds a month to another man named Edwin Stevens. Stevens only considered the job because he'd been a navigator on a big steamship. But then the steamship crashed into some rocks and sank. No one died, but he was fired, and it ruined his reputation. So that made him eager to take this on when many others weren't. There was just one position left to fill, Cabin Boy, someone to do the clear.
Starting point is 00:04:56 cleaning and cooking, and whatever else needed doing. Dudley spread word of the job, and it reached a young sailor in a neighboring town named Richard Parker. Parker knew right away that he wanted it. He's excited because he, too, is interested in seeing Australia and also really in starting a bigger life. He's 17 years old. He had a kind of rocky childhood. He's an orphan. And he was excited about, as he said to people, becoming a man.
Starting point is 00:05:26 So when he hears about this, he excitedly tells his foster parents, I've heard about this opportunity to sail to Australia, and I'm going to do it. Richard Parker had been taken in by another sailor and his wife, the Matthews, after his parents died when he was around 12. He'd been hired as a sailor before, but never for such a long trip. His foster parents spent days trying to talk him out of applying for the job on the minionette. But Parker still went to meet with Captain Thomas Dudley. He really does offer himself up to Parker as a father figure,
Starting point is 00:06:03 and both that he would take care of him, but also that Parker had not had much schooling, and Dudley was going to bring books along to actually teach Parker how to read and write. And Parker talked about that when he was telling his foster parents about why he wanted to go. He was saying that he was really excited to be going with Dudley. Richard Parker didn't know how to write his own name, so he signed his contract with a mark. His foster parents bought him new clothes for the trip.
Starting point is 00:06:37 Dudley decided that the Minionette would take a slow, but less risky route to Australia. They would sail along the western coast of Africa, instead of catching stronger trade winds across the Atlantic, which would come with bigger storms, or could lead them into icebergs. In May of 1884, the Minionette set sail with Dudley, Stevens, Brooks, and Parker on board. And how does it go for the first few days of the sale?
Starting point is 00:07:10 You know, it goes wonderfully, and it was, you know, high-tide, beautiful weather when they set off from England, they passed these islands as they go out of the English Channel. The crew is getting along great, no storms, and really all the way to the equator, which was quite a long way, they had a wonderful sail. And they began to think really, oh, you know, our friends and family who said, you know, you can't go in a yacht, it's too small, it's dangerous, and all that, we're so wrong. This has been a wonderful voyage, and it was up until the equator. So one thing is when you pass the equator by sailing tradition, you're supposed to do these little ceremonies marking the passing,
Starting point is 00:07:57 and there are some very elaborate ones, which are dressing up the sailors who have never crossed the equator before. Sometimes sailors would dress up as King Neptune, the god of the sea, with other crew members playing his wife and his assistant, Davy Jones. Anyone who hadn't crossed the equator before might also get dipped into the ocean, They called it a sailor's baptism. And that's thought to be an attempt to appease the gods, you know, and keep them happy. And they didn't do that on the Mignonette.
Starting point is 00:08:28 And maybe they regretted that later because it was really right after crossing the equator that they began to hit bad weather. Captain Dudley and Richard Parker were on watch when it started to storm. The wind was so strong and the waves were so rough that Dudley decided to lower the sail and wait things out. Brooks and Stevens covered the cabin window to prevent flooding. At this point, the captain tells Richard Parker to go down below and get the makings of tea, and they were going to have a sort of proper British tea in the middle of the ocean and a little bit of old-fashioned British civility in the midst of the chaos of the open sea. But when Parker came up from the cabin, he heard Stevens shout, look out.
Starting point is 00:09:18 the big wave comes, and it sort of comes out of nowhere, and it is huge. It actually goes up to the top of the mast and strikes the boat, and everyone grabs onto something to the boom or to whatever ropes that they can hold on to, and the wave washes over the boat. Everyone does manage to hold on, but as soon as it subsides, they can see that it is crashed in one side of the boat, and almost immediately they know that the damage to the boat is irreversible and it's going to sink. They started to get the lifeboat ready, and Dudley rushed into the cabin to get cans of meat and containers of fresh water.
Starting point is 00:10:02 And the thing is, they can't throw that right into the lifeboat because the lifeboat is really very thin. It's like a quarter of an inch of wood. So they throw that, he throws that into the water, and it floats next to the lake boat. lifeboat. Brooke, Stevens, and Parker were already in the lifeboat and started grabbing whatever they could from the water, but a lot of it was carried away. Dudley made it off the Mignonette just before it sank. And when they finally get away and the four men are in this tiny lifeboat, they realize
Starting point is 00:10:35 they have no water and they just have two tins, which the captain thought were meat, but when they look at it more closely, it turns out that they are turnips. The four men also realized that there was a hole in the lifeboat, and it was filling with water. They were able to plug the hole, which helped, but didn't completely stop the leaking. And then they felt something bump up against the bottom of the boat. It was a shark. It hit the boat again, harder, this time almost capsizing it. The men hit the shark with an oar to try to get it to go away.
Starting point is 00:11:12 They also are praying, because these actually were very religious men, so they're praying. that God will make the shark go away, and the shark does go away. But that was a very chilling moment for them and made them realize that there were so many different dangers lurking for them as they floated in the ocean in this tiny little lifeboat. And, you know, when you're sort of cast adrift without food and water, you might think, oh, I'm going to starve to death,
Starting point is 00:11:42 but really it's much more likely that you'll die of thirst. People can last a very long time without food and not very long without water. People can live just a few days without water. The men had a little from the canned turnips, but that wouldn't last. They knew not to drink seawater. They knew that as tempting as it was when your mouth is parched,
Starting point is 00:12:06 it's so tempting to reach into the water that's right there, but they also knew that if they did that, it would kill them. So they were very strongly trying not to do that. The men waited two days before they opened their first can of turnips. Then on the fifth day, they saw something. They noticed something in the distance, and they get closer to it, and it is a pretty large sea turtle. And they get up close to this turtle, they get it into the boat, they kill it,
Starting point is 00:12:36 and it had enough meat for them to eat good turtle meat for days. But more importantly, it had liquid. and it's not a widely known fact, but turtle blood is actually one of the best things you can drink if you're in these men's situation. Fish blood actually has too much salt and too many other contaminants to be a good thing to drink, but turtle blood is good drinking.
Starting point is 00:13:03 The men drank as much of the blood as they could and tried to save more for later, but some seawater washed in, and they lost the rest. They spent the next few days scanning the ocean for more turtles, but they didn't see anything. Tell me about the custom of the sea. Yeah, so there was a long tradition of when there was a shipwreck, and back in the age of sail, shipwrecks were common. There were many, many shipwrecks, and when there were shipwrecks, people did not have radios. they couldn't, you know, wire for help.
Starting point is 00:13:43 And a tradition developed among sailors that when there wasn't enough food or liquid to keep people alive, you could actually kill someone and eat them. And the actual customer of the sea was the drawing of lots. So lots would be drawn, and whoever drew the short straw would be killed and eaten. So this was an established part of the sailing life.
Starting point is 00:14:07 It was even well known to people who weren't sailors. In the early 1800s, the English poet Lord Byron wrote about a shipwreck in one of his most popular poems, Don Juan. Quote, they spoke of lots for flesh and blood, and who should die to be his fellow's food. In the 1830s, Edgar Allan Poe published his only novel, which also had a scene where sailors drew lots. So, quote, one of us should die to preserve the existence of the others. And how many days is it before Dudley first suggests drawing lots? I believe it was about 16. It's a little unclear, but when he begins to see that they're not seeing land, they're not seeing other ships, they're not seeing any more turtles, he says, you know, we need to do this.
Starting point is 00:15:06 I'm Phoebe Judge. This is criminal. Thomas Dudley first proposed drawing lots to Edwin Stevens and Edmund Brooks. They're both opposed. They say they do not want to do it. You know, let's wait a few more days. We may yet be saved by a passing ship or sea land. And it's also not entirely clear how much their biggest consideration was if they agree to this, you know, there might be a one in four chance that they would be the one to be killed.
Starting point is 00:15:40 and Eaton, but they do both say no. Why doesn't he ask Richard Parker, the cabin boy? Yeah, you know, the cabin boy just was not really regarded as a full member of the crew. And, you know, wasn't an adult, really. By all rights, he should have asked Parker, because if lots were drawn, Parker would have to draw a lot. But I think in this almost paternal relationship he had towards the cabin boy, he regarded him as a child.
Starting point is 00:16:09 and maybe that this wasn't the sort of question that you ask a child. Around this time, the men decided to try to build a sail for the lifeboat. They used an oar as a mast and their own shirts as the sail. It worked. They were able to steer west, where they thought it might be more likely to see another boat. How desperate have things gotten on the boat? I mean, I think it's fair to say we cannot even imagine.
Starting point is 00:16:36 I mean, they have not eaten or drunk in. days, their mouths are literally just drying up. And there were some references to how when they talked, it was almost like animals communicating. They just really couldn't talk. Their tongues were turning black. Their legs were also in terrible shape. And, you know, they're scrunched up and they can't move around. And then the sun is beating down on them. So there's that. And they don't really have anything to protect themselves against that. So I think both physically and mentally, they're in very dire state. And then Richard Parker told them he'd been hiding something.
Starting point is 00:17:15 He tells them that secretly late at night while they've been sleeping, he's been drinking seawater. And he said he just couldn't help himself. They had told him that it was a very dangerous thing to do, but he just needed to drink water and he drank seawater. He was starting to feel sick. Dudley talked to Stevens and Brooks again. about drawing lots.
Starting point is 00:17:38 He keeps on hoping someone will change their mind and also maybe just thought with the passing of each day, maybe people will realize, you know, the situation's getting direer and direer, and the hope of being saved is seeming more remote. And they're not agreeing. They're not agreeing.
Starting point is 00:17:57 Adam Cohen says that at a certain point, Brooks even told Dudley that he would never agree to drawing lots, no matter how desperate things got. He said he would rather die than kill someone else. One morning, around 3 a.m., while Parker was laying down, and Brooks was steering the boat, Captain Dudley leaned over to talk to Stevens, so only he could hear. He asks him how many, you know, children he has, and, you know, they each are married and have children.
Starting point is 00:18:30 And he points out that Parker's really, you know, quite sick and also doesn't have any family. waiting for him and suggests that they dispense with the drawing of lots and just kill the cabin boy. We'll be right back. To listen without ads, join Criminal Plus. Support for Criminal comes from Quince. It's the time of year to start looking for layers that will last you through the fall and winter. If you're looking to refresh your wardrobe without blowing your budget,
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Starting point is 00:21:13 possible at any moment they could see a ship that would rescue them. At any moment they could see land. So, um, he hesitated. Dudley agreed to wait until daylight when they'd be able to see if a ship was coming. But then the sun came out and they didn't see anything. Stevens told Dudley that they could go ahead with the plan. Dudley knows that he's going to have to be the one to do it because Brooks is not doing it at all, and Stevens was somewhat reluctant. He knew he'd have to be the one to actually do the deed,
Starting point is 00:21:44 and he asked Stevens to stand by near Parker and be ready to hold his feet if he struggled. Richard Parker had been at the bottom of the lifeboat, in and out of sleep. Sometimes he woke up talking about how there was a ship coming to save them. Brooks, who didn't know anything about the plan, had been awake steering the boat that night. Dudley told him to move to the front to get some sleep.
Starting point is 00:22:09 Brooks tries to go to sleep, but before he does, Stevens does, look at him and look at Parker in a way that Brooks understands that this is what's about to happen. So Brooks covers his head, he doesn't want to even, you know, see any or hear any of it. Dudley then moves towards the cabin boy and takes out his knife says a prayer to God to forgive them for what they're about to do
Starting point is 00:22:37 and the cabin boy is very much alert enough to see what is going on and says his last words to Dudley what me sir and right after he says that Dudley takes his knife and slits the cabin boy's throat And what happens after he dies? Well, you know, the thing they were most focused on was the blood.
Starting point is 00:23:02 So they take the receptacles they have, which are a baler and a tin, and they collect the blood, and they immediately begin drinking it. Eventually, Brooks asked for some two, and they gave him a can. Then the three men ate Richard Parker's heart and liver. Brooks later said I can say that we partook of it with quite as much relish as ordinary food
Starting point is 00:23:29 but that still they became quote different men the next day it rained so much that the men could collect extra water and three days after that they saw something on the horizon
Starting point is 00:23:46 they see a ship and they begin frantically waving frantically waving, and they noticed that the ship has seen them because it's actually turning in their direction and moving towards them. It was a German ship traveling back to Europe from South America, and it pulled up alongside the lifeboat. The sailors said that they noticed some piece of rib and some flesh,
Starting point is 00:24:13 so they knew something was going on down there, but they didn't know what it was. But the men tell their whole story. And if they thought that there might be any consequences down the road, it would have been very easy to lie, right? They could have said, oh, you know, we were on this lifeboat, the cabin boy drank salt water, died, and once he was dead, we ate his body and drank his blood, and then they would have presented themselves to the world as not having murdered anyone. That's not what they did. And we'll never know exactly why, and it could be just that they were so overcome and so excited and so weak and all that that they didn't really have time to formulate a plan and get their story straight. But it seems more likely that because the custom of the sea was so entrenched in the sailing world, in literature and popular culture, it was just something that they were almost proud of having done. They had survived, and they were going to tell how they survived.
Starting point is 00:25:15 Captain Dudley asked the German captain if they could take Richard Parker's remains back to England. He said no, and ordered his crew to throw them into the ocean. It took days for Dudley, Stevens, and Brooks to be able to walk again. On their way back to England, Dudley started writing an account of what had happened to them over their 24 days at sea. He wrote about how he set a prayer before he killed Parker. But he didn't include Parker
Starting point is 00:25:45 last words. Instead, he wrote that he'd been, quote, all but lifeless. Dudley may have been a bit of a, the kind of old salt who likes to tell great stories of the sea, because he wanted to actually, you know, he took back the lifeboat. They took it back with them to England on the German ship. He took back other relics. So he may have been one of these sailors who returns home with this idea, boy do I. I have a story to tell you about our adventures at sea.
Starting point is 00:26:18 When the men finally arrived back in England, the first thing Dudley did was send a telegram to his wife. Mignonette foundered in about 24 days, Suffering's Fearful, All Well Now. Then all three of them went to the harbor's customs house to give statements about the shipwreck. Each of them told the whole story, and Dudley even reenacted the moment he killed Parker.
Starting point is 00:26:45 A harbor police sergeant was watching. He seems to have a feeling that a crime may have been committed, and he actually asks Dudley for the knife, which Dudley gives him. And if it were at that point, just to shipwreck investigation, there would be no need to take the knife. But Dudley gives it freely, and still is not thinking that he's in any kind of legal jeopardy. The policeman takes the knife, goes to talk to the mayor, and comes back with arrest warrants.
Starting point is 00:27:14 and they arrest all three of the men. They were arrested for murder. This had never happened before. Other men had survived shipwrecks by eating people, and they weren't charged with a crime when they got back. In England at the time, there was only one degree of murder, no second or third degree. And if you were found guilty, there was only one sentence, the death penalty.
Starting point is 00:27:41 How does the public react to the case? So the initial reaction is enormous sympathy for the men. From the very first hearing in Falmouth, crowds show up trying to get into the courtroom overflowing, and they are cheering for the men, they are on their side. I mean, it might be a bit much to say that they were folk heroes, but they were getting enormous sympathy as people who had done what they needed to do to survive under terrible conditions at sea. One man wrote to the mayor who had signed the men's arrest warrants and said he would be coming to Falmouth to shoot him the following week. Other supporters started fundraisers for Dudley Stevens and Brooks. At one point, Dudley organized for the lifeboat to be put on display
Starting point is 00:28:31 so people could pay to see it, and he could use the proceeds for the case. One newspaper reported, quote, There are no marks in it of blood that can easily be seen. Another newspaper interviewed Richard Parker's family. His foster mother said his death had, quote, almost broken my heart. And I can seem to see him, looking up to Captain Dudley and saying, What me, sir? The newspaper reported that his father, quote, would speak to hardly anyone.
Starting point is 00:29:05 A little less than two weeks after they were arrested, Dudley, Stevens, and Brooks went back to court for a hearing, and the head of the prosecution made an announcement. He said he was dropping the murder charge against Edmund Brooks. And, you know, that is the fair and right thing to do because he did everything he could not to involve himself in the murder other than physically try to stop it. But also, it was a pragmatic decision
Starting point is 00:29:33 because when Brooks is not charged, he then is available to be the star witness for the crown. So the main argument for the defense is what's called the necessity defense. And there is this concept, and it has sort of ancient roots in law going back, you know, many, many centuries. When there's a dire situation and someone has a choice of two evils, they can be forgiven for choosing the lesser of two evils, even if that is a crime. So the main strongest argument the defense had was this was a dire situation. the two possible outcomes were four men were going to die in the lifeboat
Starting point is 00:30:15 or one man was going to die in the lifeboat. Dudley and Stevens took the path of one man dying in the lifeboat. That should not be a crime. Adam Cohen says that about 40 years before, there had been a case in America where this argument had come up. They were on an overcrowded lifeboat, and the sailors, led by this one sailor home, decide that the lifeboat is so overcrowed.
Starting point is 00:30:38 The only way for everyone to survive is to literally throw people overboard. So they begin throwing passengers overboard. They don't throw any of the crew overboard. And very shortly thereafter, they're all rescued calling to question whether anyone need to be thrown overboard. And they do a very streamlined prosecution where they prosecute the lead sailor Holmes just for throwing over one person. And interestingly, the trial occurs before a U.S. Supreme Court Justice, because back then, Supreme Court Justice is road circuit and would occasionally preside over trials in different jurisdictions. So there was a Supreme Court justice who presided, and he gave his views in his charge to the jury about
Starting point is 00:31:19 the law of necessity and whether it was ever acceptable to kill people in order to save people in a disaster at sea. And he led the jury to convict Holmes in this case, but he also said that if it had been done in a different way, if they had not just thrown over, passengers, if they had started by throwing over crew because crew had a responsibility to protect passengers, and if they had drawn lots, it would have been acceptable. So we have this really interesting case where a Supreme Court justice interpreting American law says, in certain circumstances, you know, you can kill someone at sea to save lives. It's kind of like, listen, if you've got to kill them, if you've got to eat them, do it, but make sure it's a fair process to decide who's going to get killed. Exactly, exactly. Dudley-Stevenson Brooks never drew lots, but the defense argued that Richard Parker had been sick.
Starting point is 00:32:16 Adam Cohen says the men believed they couldn't risk waiting for him to die naturally. They were worried his blood might congeal before they noticed he was dead, and then they would have missed their chance to drink it. The prosecution argued that there was no such thing as a necessity defense in England. And murder is murder. You know, it's very clear. You're not allowed to take a knife and slit someone's throat and end their life. And you don't get to play God and decide, I have figured out the way things would go.
Starting point is 00:32:49 If I did this and if I didn't do this, and I'm going to choose the better outcome. And as they pointed out, no one knew that four people would die because it could have been that the very next moment after Parker was murdered that the ship would have appeared and saved everyone. or they might have reached land. So you actually don't know what the outcomes are. Dudley and Stevens weren't allowed to say anything to the jury during their trial. There was a very odd situation in English law at the time, which was that defendants could not testify on their own behalf. So they were only represented in their accounts of what happened
Starting point is 00:33:24 by the statements they wrote as part of the shipwreck investigation, which really didn't make their case for them. They didn't know that they were going to be charged with murder. But Edmund Brooks, whose charge had been drawn, dropped, was able to talk about what had happened in court. So their lawyer was able to get Brooks to really put a lot of color on just how bad things were in the lifeboat. And Brooks did that willingly because he, although he did not support the killing of Parker, he did like Dudley and Stevens, and he did not want to be the agent of their executions.
Starting point is 00:33:59 Brooke spoke so softly. The court could barely hear him. He talked about the shipwreck and all the conversations he had had with Dudley and Stevens about drawing lots. He said that he never wanted to. Quote, I should prefer to die in the ordinary way.
Starting point is 00:34:18 Brooks also said that Richard Parker had been the weakest of all of them. He admitted that he drank his blood and ate parts of his body. And he said, quote, but for the death of the boy, I believe we all should have died from hunger.
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Starting point is 00:36:08 He made these remarks in a chain with a half a dozen Republican operatives and influencers. Oh, gosh, no, not that one. With regard to the swastika thing, this happened last night, a Republican congressman, allegedly one of his staffers had something in the background or something in a Zoom. That's what I heard. No, not that one either. The young Republicans in the I love Hitler in the group chat. It's awful.
Starting point is 00:36:30 It's revolting. It's disgusting. It's obnoxious. It's also the third time in like seven days. Do the Republicans have a Nazi problem? Today explained every weekday, wherever you get your podcasts. The judge assigned to Thomas Dudley and Edwin Stevens' murder trial, Judge Barron Huddleston, was known for, quote, taking a view of his own, and almost invariably leading the jury to the same
Starting point is 00:37:01 opinion. He also liked to wear color-coated gloves to court, depending on the case. Lavender for trials concerning breach of promise in marriage, white for more conventional hearings, and black for murder. And he looks at this case, and he's appalled by what went on. Adam Cohen, says Baron Huddleston, wanted the men convicted of murder. The main obstacle to Baron Huddleston getting the conviction he wants is the jury needs to decide. And they were sympathetic to Dudley and Stevens. That was clear. They made it clear.
Starting point is 00:37:39 So there was a danger of what we in America called jury nullification that the jury would say, even if technically, yes, Dudley did take a knife and put it in Parker's throat and kill him and all that. We're just not going to convict because we just don't think. you know, justice would be served. So Barron Heweson comes up with a very unusual, clever way around this, which is there was something called the special verdict. Adam Cohen says it hadn't been used in almost a century. It allowed a judge to say, we're just going to have the jury decide what the facts were.
Starting point is 00:38:16 And then once they make a statement of facts based on all the evidence they hear at the trial, we're then going to convene a panel of judges to be named later who will actually decide whether a crime was. committed. In closing arguments to the jury, Dudley and Steven's lawyer argued again that Parker was only killed because he was already sick in dying. Quote, horrible as the repast was it saved these three men's lives. He reminded the jury that many people had done the same thing before and other shipwrecks, and none of them had ever been charged with murder and then put to death. This goes to a panel of the Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales, who's the highest judge,
Starting point is 00:39:01 and four other of the highest judges in England. And what they decide is that this is murder. That ending someone's life like this meets every definition of murder. And, you know, I actually see this as being one of the very early human rights decisions, a very important human rights decision, because what the judge ultimately says, is Parker had the right to his life. We all have the right to our own lives. We have the right to live as long as we're able to live.
Starting point is 00:39:33 And no one's calculation, you know, it would be more efficient if we killed you. You know, think of all the good things that would come from that. We could save other lives. We could do this. We could do that. None of that applies that Parker and all of the parkers out there have the right to their own life and taking it away is a crime. Dudley and Edwin and Stevens were sentenced to be hanged. But what everyone knew was in England at the time, there was a two-step process.
Starting point is 00:40:02 After someone was sentenced to death, there was a second path, which was an appeal to the queen for mercy. And the queen did grant both Dudley and Stevens' mercy and reduce their sentences to six months in jail without hard labor. By December 1884, less than six months after the ship, Breck, the case was over. Adam Cohen says that even though their sentences were reduced, Dudley and Stevens' guilty conviction set a strong legal precedent.
Starting point is 00:40:36 It sends a strong message about what side the law is on, and it has endured as a case that says that the necessity of defense should not be allowed, and that these kinds of calculations have no place in the law. So interestingly, it changed the law in America, even though it was a British case. And now the general rule in America is that you can't use the necessity of defense to homicide. But also, even more than that, it has stood for an idea about why we should be skeptical of utilitarian solutions to problems that trample on people's rights. And in England, at the start of the pandemic, when there was a ventilator shortage, the union of doctors, put out a memo to all the doctors in England
Starting point is 00:41:25 saying, we don't have enough ventilators. If you have someone on a ventilator and then someone comes into your hospital who has a better chance of surviving on a ventilator, you should take the ventilator away from the person who's using it and give it to the person with a better chance of surviving. One of the leading medical ethicists in England
Starting point is 00:41:40 wrote a really impassioned article in a scholarly journal saying this was a terrible memo and a terrible rule. But then he also said that he believed it was illegal. And he went back to Dudley and Stevens. you know, 100-plus years earlier, and said that just as the Lord Chief Justice said, you can't kill the cabin boy, you can't take the ventilator away from someone who might die just because you think you might save someone else's life.
Starting point is 00:42:05 And, you know, interestingly, he called this article that he wrote, why kill the cabin boy? Adam Cohen says the Dudley and Stevens case is still taught to first-year law students. One of the great chasms in moral philosophy, and comes up in law school a lot too, is people have two different views of what is a just thing to do. One is to have these rules that prohibit bad acts and punish them, and another is to look at the world in a utilitarian way and say people should always act to promote the greatest good for the greatest number. And there have been attempts to capture this dichotomy, this famous trolley problem that is a hypothetical that philosophers have come up with. But unbelievably, this kind of crazy thing that happened in this lifeboat right after the minionette was shipwrecked was a perfect encapsulation of those two schools of philosophy. And I've talked with people who feel, well, of course, if you can save three lives by killing one person, you should.
Starting point is 00:43:16 do that. I don't think it's a close question. I've talked to people say, of course you should not be able to kill the cabin boy, even if you can save three lives. So it's such an inviting scenario that allows people to really test their own morality and how they view justice and how they view the world, because people feel very strongly on both sides of this. Edwin Stevens and Edmund Brooks never seemed to recover from what happened on the minionette. Stevens went back to sailing, but he struggled with depression and alcoholism for the rest of his life.
Starting point is 00:43:54 Brooks was known to get drunk and yell out that he, quote, didn't do it. Thomas Dudley was the most famous of the three men. A wax figure of him went on display at Madame Tussauds, was in London. Madam Tussauds' grandson made the model. He'd gone to court to watch the trial so he could study Dudley.
Starting point is 00:44:16 The figure was displayed in what the Wax Museum called the Chamber of Horrors. Dudley left England. Adam Cohen says he wanted to go where no one knew him or his history. So in 1885, he moved to Australia with his wife and children.
Starting point is 00:44:35 They lived in Sydney, where he ran a sailing supply. business called T.R. Dudley and Co. The company did well. He employed a staff of 40. But there was a huge outbreak of bubonic plague in Asia, and it came to Australia in 1900, and it was being spread by these fleas on rats, which were traveling on ships. So it comes to the harbor in Sydney, which is right where Dudley's shop is and where he's living, and these rats come into his home through some pipes, and anyway, Dudley comes down with the bubonic plague and is literally the first person in Australia, and there would be hundreds more to die of the bubonic plague.
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