Criminal - The Man Without a Will

Episode Date: March 21, 2025

A Toronto police officer was having an affair with a government worker – and then they found out about an elderly man who died with a large estate, and no will. For more on the story, read Katherin...e Laidlaw’s piece, “The Inside Job.” Say hello on Facebook, Instagram and TikTok. Sign up for our occasional newsletter. Follow the show and review us on Apple Podcasts. Sign up for Criminal Plus to get behind-the-scenes bonus episodes of Criminal, ad-free listening of all of our shows, special merch deals, and more. We also make This is Love and Phoebe Reads a Mystery. Artwork by Julienne Alexander. Check out our online shop. Episode transcripts are posted on our website. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:23 This is reporter Catherine Laidlaw. Adeline's co-worker knew how much she wanted to meet someone. So Adeline went downstairs to introduce herself to the police officer. They started talking. His name was Robert Kanasowich. They exchanged numbers and a few weeks later, they went on their first date. It went well. And so they kept seeing each other. They partied a lot, they went out to eat with his friends,
Starting point is 00:01:52 they traveled a lot, they went to Putnakana for his birthday, for example. She had a photo of the two of them framed on her desk at work. You know, and I think after about a year of them going steady, that she started to think that things weren't quite right. She had met a bunch of his friends, they were going out regularly, he was available some of the time, but she couldn't shake the feeling that it was strange that she had never met his family and that sometimes he would have to cancel plans with her at the last minute out of the blue with very little explanation. Earlier on, she asked why he never invited her to his apartment.
Starting point is 00:02:37 So he had confessed that he was still living with his ex-girlfriend, and that was why he'd never had her over, that he was still living with his ex-girlfriend, and that was why he'd never had her over, but insisted that they were no longer romantically involved and were living together as roommates. As expected at the time, her friends were not approving of this situation. They thought that their friend was having the wool pulled over her eyes. So she started getting suspicious and she did what everyone is able to do in this day and age
Starting point is 00:03:07 and went online and tried to vet some of those suspicions and see if there was actually something going on. And what did she find? She discovered that her boyfriend was very much together with his other girlfriend, his longtime live-in girlfriend. It didn't take very long for her to find Candace Dixon's social media accounts. Um, her Instagram account was full of pictures of the couple at events, um, on family vacations, things like that.
Starting point is 00:03:43 And this time, when Adeline asked him about it, he didn't deny it. He leveled with her and said that he was with Candice and he had no intention of leaving. The way that he framed it at the time was that it was a financial decision. You know, he'd brought debt into that relationship and he couldn't afford to live the same kind of life
Starting point is 00:04:05 as the one he had with Candice if he left her, and so he wasn't planning to. Adeline decided to try to make it work. I'm Phoebe Judge. This is Criminal. Tell me a little bit about who is Robert Kanasiewicz. Where did he grow up? Who is he? So, Robert Kanasiewicz grew up in a city called Oakville, which is its own city proper, but
Starting point is 00:04:42 sort of also acts as a suburb of Toronto. His father was a police officer for the Toronto Police Force. And he, from what I understand, sort of has always had a penchant for flashy cars, and sort of ran with harder party and crew in high school, as it were, before growing up and applying to college for police work himself. LWK Robert graduated in 2008 and got a job with the Toronto police. He made decent money. But Katherine Laidlaw says he had expensive
Starting point is 00:05:18 taste. He liked to go out to clubs and restaurants. And one night, when he was in his late 20s, he ran into an old classmate at a club, Candice Dixon. When they were younger, they had jokingly made a pact that if they were both still single at 35, they'd get married. And when they ran into each other again, Knesswitch recognized her and mentioned the pact. And he assumed she was married. And she corrected him.
Starting point is 00:05:49 And he said, so I still have a chance. And they developed a relationship very quickly. They started traveling together. Candice had always traveled widely and often. So they went to New York together. They went to Turks and Caicos together. Candice's family takes an annual family vacation there every year, so she brought her new boyfriend along.
Starting point is 00:06:12 You know, he was, quickly became her plus one for things like the Powerball, which is a prominent gala here in Toronto. And a few months after that, he moved in to the condo that Candice was renting. And I think she thought that there was real stuff there. I remember her saying that he felt like her people, that they had known each other for so long. And she likened talking to her boyfriend to going to confession at times because he was so
Starting point is 00:06:47 quiet and composed and felt to her like a vault. And so I think it felt, he felt like a very safe space for her for a long time. How did they handle finances? She had more money than him. She did have more money than him. And in her telling, that wasn't an issue necessarily. She didn't expect him to keep up. That just didn't sort of seem possible or fair to expect. She, of course, when they first met, he was still living at his parents' home in Oakville and that didn't appeal to her. She did expect him to change that
Starting point is 00:07:25 living situation, which is when he moved in with her. But I think that she did notice early on that he managed money poorly. He brought some debt into the relationship. He hadn't been saving in the time before they had met each other. He know, he was traveling, going out with his friends, eating out, clubbing, living large. That said, she also observed that he didn't seem particularly stressed about it, and it became more of a pressure point for her. After a few years of dating, they bought a condo together, a penthouse with two bedrooms. Candice made the down payment, and Robert paid the monthly mortgage.
Starting point is 00:08:08 Candice was working in marketing. Robert was still with the Toronto police, and sometimes signed up for paid gigs on the side. Part-time positions, working security to sort of supervise different things. At concerts, sporting events, or sometimes government offices. One of those offices was a place called the Office of the Public Guardian and
Starting point is 00:08:31 Trustee. They sort of bill themselves as the decision maker of last resort. The OPGT, as it's called, quote, provide services to protect the financial, legal, and personal care of mentally incapable Ontarians. They take care of the decisions for people who don't have others to help them, family members to help them make those decisions. And that can be healthcare decisions, it can be financial decisions, managing the affairs more broadly of people who
Starting point is 00:09:08 are alone and can't manage them for themselves. It really is an agency that acts for some of society's most vulnerable people. That's where Robert met Adeline Balgobin, who worked at the OPGT. Did Robert's friends know that he had both of these relationships going on? Yes, they absolutely did. And the way that he explained this circumstance was that he was staying with Candice for the lifestyle, that their relationship had never been a positive one, but he was really attracted to her lifestyle, and so why would he leave?
Starting point is 00:09:51 And with Adeline, he just had this crazy sexual physical connection that was undeniable, and oftentimes, you know, he would sort of take her out and show her off to his friends and no one ever said anything about it. Candice had no idea. Robert used burner phones or Snapchat to communicate with Adeline until about a year in, when Adeline discovered that his relationship with Candice wasn't in the past, like he'd said. And that kicked off a series of several years of going back and forth of tumult, several
Starting point is 00:10:32 years of romantic tumult. Catherine Laidlaw says Adeline confided in friends and co-workers about the situation. At one point, she texted a friend, I'm not doing this anymore. I'm ready to move on with my life. But still, she didn't end the relationship. By 2017, Adeline and Robert had been seeing each other about three years. Adeline was assigned to look after a new case at work, the estate of a man named Heinz Sommerfeld.
Starting point is 00:11:03 Heinz Sommerfeld had been entered into the OPGT system years earlier. He'd been diagnosed with dementia, and when his doctor asked if he had any family, Heinz said no. He later died in a nursing home. As his client representative, Adeline was in charge of arranging for his burial and canceling Heinz's pension benefits and insurance coverage. The OPGT would also figure out what to do with his money. Usually their clients didn't have huge amounts. But Heinz's case was different.
Starting point is 00:11:37 He had an estate of nearly one million Canadian dollars. And he had no will. We'll be right back. Thanks to Squarespace for their support. Squarespace is the all-in-one platform designed to help you make a great website. Whether you're just starting out or trying to grow your business, Squarespace gives you everything you need to choose a URL, show off what you're selling, reach more customers, get paid, and do it all while looking professional.
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Starting point is 00:14:15 Code criminal for 20% off your first purchase. Bombas.com slash criminal. Code criminal. Heinz Sommerfeld had grown up in Germany. When he was 11 years old, he and his family, his mother, stepfather, and half-brother, moved to Canada. And for much of his life, Sommerfeld really kept to himself. He was devoted to his family. When he had nieces and nephews, he was deeply involved in their
Starting point is 00:14:46 lives and was always present at family events, birthday parties, holidays, things like that. But he had very few friends. He lived a very quiet life. In fact, he shared a room with his brother until well into his 20s, until his younger brother got married and moved out. And that was the impetus for Sommerfeld to get a house of his own. He worked as a draftsman for the Ministry of Transportation here. And so he was sort of drawing detailed maps. He worked there for 36 years. And some of those years, he was actually commended for having perfect attendance records.
Starting point is 00:15:27 And so he was a very sort of orderly, fastidious person, and he spent a lot of his life and his time alone. LWIPEC At one point, Heinz got mad at his half-brother Peter, and Heinz stopped talking to him. And eventually the fissure deepened and Heinz went so far as to stop answering the phone and stop answering his door. You know, they lived 15 minutes away from one another and his brother described driving by the house on his way home from work just to check to see if he could see a flutter of blinds moving in the window so that he knew his brother
Starting point is 00:16:11 was okay, like there was a period of deep estrangement. Catherine Laidlaw says Hines' neighbors tried to keep an eye on him. He was getting older and seemed to struggle with his memory. Over the years, he became more and more paranoid. And in 2008, that culminated with an incident where he went after a woman in the neighborhood with a hammer because he thought that he was being spied on. And so the police were called when that happened, and they took him to a nearby hospital under
Starting point is 00:16:46 the Mental Health Act. And that was when he received an official diagnosis of dementia caused by Alzheimer's. And that was also where he was declared incapable of managing his own affairs. So that's when he was entered into the OPGT system. So during that experience at the hospital, he was asked whether he had any family, who they should put down as next of kin. And he said no. And whether that's a decision that was born out of estrangement or forgetfulness or anger, we will never know.
Starting point is 00:17:28 But it set a course for his affairs to be handled by the OPGT. They began to review Hines' medical and financial records, and also sent someone to his house to look for paperwork. And what they found was a home that was fairly sparsely furnished inside. He did have, in keeping with his fastidious nature, a set of meticulously kept records, you know, letters that he had sent to his family when he was a child, a stack of expired passports. You know, there were tons of information about his retirement funds, things like that. Heinz's estate was worth $834,000 Canadian dollars,
Starting point is 00:18:16 and he had told everyone he didn't have any family. After he died in 2017, Adeline Balgobin was in charge of starting the paperwork. And then she would have, in an ideal world, passed the file on to the trust department to sort of handle the estate. And that's not what happened in this instance, she decided to hang on to the file for a little bit longer than she should have and saw an opportunity. Adeline talked about it with her boyfriend, police officer Robert Knasiewicz.
Starting point is 00:19:01 And then she reported to the OPGT that Hines had left a will, that she'd received a voicemail from someone who said they had a copy of it. According to that will, all of Hines' Summerfeld's money would go to one person, a close friend of his, Robert Knasiewicz. Of course, at no point during this process does Val Gobin indicate that Kanasiewicz is her longtime boyfriend. Robert signed an affidavit describing how he knew Heinz Sommerfeld. You know, he alleged at the time that he, when he was 22 and working a security job
Starting point is 00:19:40 at a racetrack in the East End, that he had met Sommerfeld, who would have been 66 at the time, and that the following year, the elderly man gave him the will. He went so far as to sort of plant Christmas cards in the file at the OPGT. A card dated 2008 and signed Robert appeared in the file that wasn't there before. But one of Adeline's colleagues, also working on Hines' case, had discovered something. Hines actually did have family, his half-brother, Peter.
Starting point is 00:20:18 This colleague phoned Peter and delivered the news that his brother had passed away, that he had a sizeable estate. And both of these pieces of information were shocking to him at the time. Adeline's colleague had put all this together and spoken to Peter without telling Adeline. The colleague didn't know about the will appearing. Peter was told that he would be inheriting Heinz's money. However, the following day, he got another call from the OPGT and was told that, in fact, there was a will, that there was a beneficiary, and that the half-brother wasn't in it. Peter had not seen or spoken to his half-brother in over 10 years.
Starting point is 00:21:05 He had never heard of Robert Konasiewicz. He figured that in the later years of his life, his brother must have met someone who he connected with enough to leave his estate to. But he and his wife, after talking it over, did decide to consult with a lawyer. Their lawyer examined the will, determined that it looked to be credible. The will had been signed by two witnesses, John David William Leminski and Jonathan Steven Asseltine. It had been notarized.
Starting point is 00:21:38 Their lawyers seemed satisfied. Peter and his wife didn't know what to think. And the way that he characterized it at the time was, you know, if the lawyer says it's okay, it's okay. Like you have to trust someone, right? And so they decided not to pursue it from there. Once a will is submitted, it needs to be verified by someone who works at OPGT. Adeline Balgobin was there to do it.
Starting point is 00:22:07 Eventually, Robert received nearly $800,000, all of Heinz's money, minus legal fees. And so, effectively, what he did with the money when he received it was he paid down $92,000 in debt and then dumped the rest of it into an investment account. He wasn't spending it. And you know, acting as an estate trustee isn't as simple as collecting a paycheck. There are actual decisions that have to be made.
Starting point is 00:22:38 And so Knesswitch began to make some of those decisions. He even went as far as to approve the design of the headstone where Sommerfeld was laid to rest in the cemetery. And at this point, he is aware that Sommerfeld has family and still makes that decision, acting sort of as a state trustee so as not to rouse any suspicion. At one point, Robert decided it would be good to call Hines his half-brother. He becomes aware of his half-brother's existence and thinks, oh, this is a kink in the plan, that, you know, this is not quite as simple
Starting point is 00:23:16 as we'd initially thought, but all of these things are in motion now. So he, at one point, calls his half-brother and says that he's interested in holding a memorial service for Sommerfeld. And his half-brother can tell at this point that something is not quite right. He'd messaged him on Facebook and asked him if he had time to talk and he just was suspicious of the whole thing. And he said to Knasewicz on the phone, who are you to my brother? And Knasewicz didn't answer, hung up the phone, and the memorial service never came to pass.
Starting point is 00:23:58 And then Candace Dixon, the woman Robert had been living with for years, got a concerned phone call from her uncle. He'd gone to a hair salon and chatted with the receptionist, whose husband worked at the OPGT. They started talking when she learned that his last name was Dixon. Oh, did he have a niece named Candice? Yes, he did. She was insisting that his niece's longtime partner had another girlfriend. So Candice's uncle calls Candice. Candice, outraged, goes to the hair salon to confront this receptionist. And she was demanding and demanding to know this purported girlfriend's name,
Starting point is 00:24:47 and the receptionist finally said, Adeline. Robert said he didn't know what the receptionist was talking about, but Candice took his phone and searched for the name Adeline. What came up was a photo of a business card with Adeline's name and place of work, the OPGT. And Kanasowicz, meanwhile, is denying everything. No, no, this is crazy. This is a lie. I only got the business card during one of my work shifts at the OPGT. So Candice, who is a very assertive individual, decides that the two together are going to get in a cab and go to the OPGT and confront this woman.
Starting point is 00:25:38 And so they do. And as they're standing at the front desk and Candice is demanding to see this woman, Adeline, Knasewicz is texting her upstairs telling her not to come down. So after that, Candice, undeterred, decides to email Adeline and she says, you know, I know you know who I am, like, please call me. And Adeline writes her back very distantly, sort of feigning ignorance and just saying that she couldn't help her. And Candice wrote back, sort of expressing disbelief that this could possibly be true, and so could she please help clear this up. And I remember she signed that email, I wouldn't be the first person to be taken for a fool, right?
Starting point is 00:26:32 And I think at that point she really was just sort of desperately examining the last seven years of her life and trying to think like, is this even possible given how much time we spend together? Adeline Balgovin stopped responding to Candice's emails, but later she did call. So she calls Candice one night and leaves this long, rambling, teary voicemail that sounds like a minute-long sentence and explains that she had met Rob years ago at work and really liked him and wanted him to notice her and found out that he had a girlfriend but got jealous and told people that they were dating even though they weren't dating and that was a lie and effectively claiming that she had made it all up.
Starting point is 00:27:32 And that if she could get the two of them to break up, then Rob would ride off into the sunset with her. And so, Dixon then starts to panic for a different reason. To her, the idea that her longtime live-in boyfriend, who she spends inordinate amounts of time with, could have a stalker seemed more plausible than he could have a mistress at the time. And so, she starts feeling very nervous. And Kanasiewicz, meanwhile, is sort of perpetuating this stalker idea. He sends cease and desist letters to his own mistress in an attempt to get Candace to believe
Starting point is 00:28:14 this sort of cover story that in fact they are together writing themselves. LESLIE KENDRICK Robert also sent cease and desist letters to Adeline's colleagues. The letters threatened them with lawsuits if they didn't stop claiming that he was involved with Adeline. Candice wanted to call the police about Adeline being a stalker, but Robert convinced her not to. To make her feel better, Robert showed her
Starting point is 00:28:42 a photo of what Adeline looked like, so she'd know her if she saw her. But the photo wasn't of Adeline. It was of one of her colleagues at the OPGT. The relationship didn't last much longer. Candice broke up with Robert and asked him to move out. He did and moved in with Adeline.
Starting point is 00:29:03 But he didn't change his mailing address. So all of his mail is still going to the condo that he shared with Candice until very recently. She starts collecting the mail. This was something that he had always done in their relationship. She begins to take this on and notices a letter from TD Bank addressed to her ex, care of the estate of Heinz Sommerfeld. This didn't really register with her. She threw the letter in a pile of other mail that was coming for him and flew off to St. Bart's for the holidays. And in January, when she came back, she got a call from her ex saying that he missed her
Starting point is 00:29:49 and wanted to see her and could he take her out for dinner. And when they arrived at dinner, he asked if any mail had come for him. And she said, in fact, it had. Candice showed him the letter. And did he know anything about this? He said he had no idea. He made a joke about Heinz ketchup,
Starting point is 00:30:17 and he tucked the letter away in his pocket. And a few weeks later, another letter arrived from a law firm this time and it was also addressed to the estate. And this time, Candice decided to open the letter. We'll be right back. and Support for this show comes from indeed you just realized your business needed to hire somebody yesterday How can you find amazing candidates fast? Easy just use indeed with indeed sponsor jobs your post jumps to the top of the page for relevant Candidates and you're able to reach the people you want faster.
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Starting point is 00:32:02 Details at fizz.ca. So what happens next? Well, Dixon decides to open the letter. Inside the letter, she saw Adeline Balgobin's name. And at that point, she kind of lost it. She texted her ex, what is this? Why is Adeline's name on this? You know, is this some kind of sick joke? And he is meanwhile denying it.
Starting point is 00:32:33 What are you talking about? Eventually she just finally said, you're doing something illegal. That was the moment where things sort of really coalesced for Candice. The truth finally crystallizes. She realizes that there was no stalker. That was the moment where things sort of really coalesced for Candice. The truth finally crystallizes. She realizes that there was no stalker.
Starting point is 00:32:49 There's been a mistress this whole time. And something is sort of unleashed in her. And she begins to search the condo everywhere. She goes down to their two storage lockers, starts rummaging through Kanasiewicz's things, and uncovers all of this evidence of this other relationship in quite a heartbreaking way. You know, there's clothing, there are Christmas cards. She eventually finds an SD card and she doesn't recognize, slides it into her laptop and on this SD card are just pictures of women with her boyfriend, women in lingerie, like dozens of photos documenting what looked like multiple indiscretions,
Starting point is 00:33:36 spanning the years of their relationship and only one of the photos was of her. And that, I think, was the moment where everything really broke. Candace sent Robert an email with some of the photos from the SD card. The subject line was, really faithful. Adeline was from Trinidad and Candace posted racist memes on Facebook and Snapchat, making fun of her. At one point, Robert went to Candice's condo, but the concierge wouldn't let him in, saying they'd call the police if he didn't leave.
Starting point is 00:34:10 Robert shouted at them, I am the police. Candice's mother got involved, posting on Facebook, if he hurt my daughter, I can make death look like an accident. Candice started looking into the letters, trying to find out who Heinz Sommerfeld was.
Starting point is 00:34:29 Candice really went sort of full true detective on this situation. But she, through her lawyer, secures Sommerfeld's estate file. She tracks down his half-brother herself through Facebook. And in early March of 2019, she calls the police. She has sort of seen and read enough to be convinced that they have pulled off something
Starting point is 00:35:00 and decides to report it. And so she gives a statement to the police. They begin building a case, and that's when the dominoes really start to fall. — What happens to Robert—what happens next? — So he is, of course, still working, unawares, because he works in a different area of policing than the Fraud Squad, which is the team that is investigating this.
Starting point is 00:35:25 But he is being investigated by his own colleagues. And so they begin to request bank records and phone records. There's a clear paper trail that ties Knessowich and Balgovin together. And at one point they begin to surveil the two of them and then finally they decided that they had enough to proceed. In December 2019, police froze Robert's bank accounts. Both he and Adeline were suspended with pay. She hired a lawyer who told her she should break up with Robert.
Starting point is 00:36:03 She didn't. And then seven months later, in July of 2020, they were finally arrested and formally charged with fraud. And Belgovin, in addition to her fraud charge, was also charged with something called breach of public trust, which is reserved for people in positions of public trust who are accused of crimes. The trial took place in July of 2023.
Starting point is 00:36:33 Their defense teams really went hard on the sort of vengeful ex-girlfriend narrative, painting Candace as sort of a scorned woman who had fabricated this plot to get even. And the prosecutors presented reams of evidence that tied the two of them together as a couple and really picked apart the will itself. They demonstrated that the witnesses who had allegedly witnessed the will didn't exist. They were made up names. That it was wildly unlikely that Konosiewicz ever actually met Sommerfeld.
Starting point is 00:37:14 You know, and it was a jury trial. And so when the jury went away to deliberate, it took them less than 24 hours to come back with a verdict. They were both found guilty and they were sentenced to seven years each in jail, which for a case like this is high. And so there was definitely a sense from the judge that this was an example-making case, that it was partly a sentence to deter others and to really sort of express how severe a violation this was from two people who are people in positions
Starting point is 00:37:58 with a lot of power, you know, a police officer and a client rep for mentally incapable adults in society. And so they were each sentenced to seven years. They haven't served any of that time. And they were out on bail pending trial and they're now out on bail pending appeal. I believe that process kicks off this coming March. Are they still together? It's a question that I also share.
Starting point is 00:38:29 During the trial, they were both often sort of texting underneath the tables. They would be seated at different tables. And you know, it's impossible to know if they were texting each other, but they certainly sort of walked into court together. She would be sort of carrying a bag that had some of his things, things like that. And so if they weren't together, they were certainly still close. And so I guess it's anybody's, it's anybody's guess at this point. What happened to Heinz's money?
Starting point is 00:39:00 So Heinz's money, the money that was seized, which another aspect of this case that makes it unique is that a lot of the money was still there, which in some ways is a saving grace. And so that money will go to his half-brother and his half-brother's family. That also takes some time. And because of the appeals of the guilty verdicts, the conviction, the money won't be released until all of those processes have concluded. And so the money is in limbo right now. It is a long road before his half-brother and his family will see that money.
Starting point is 00:39:38 But the end of the road does look like it ends with them receiving the bulk of the estate, the remainder of the estate. The day after the trial ended, Candice took a private jet to meet up with her new boyfriend. He'd bought a new yacht, and they were taking it to the Hamptons. She's since left Toronto and moved to Florida. After she and Kanasiewicz broke up, she developed a closer friendship with one of Konosiewicz's three sisters, Cheryl, who is now estranged from the rest of the family. But they decided to go into business together and open a hair salon in Palm Beach.
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