Criminal - The Short Life of Qandeel Baloch
Episode Date: January 29, 2021Qandeel Baloch grew up in a conservative village in Pakistan called Shah Sadar Din, a place where it was shocking to see a woman swimming outdoors. She ran away from home, changed her name from Fouzia... Azeem, auditioned for Pakistan Idol, and eventually became “Pakistan’s first social media star.” By 2015, she was reported to be one of the 10 most Googled people in Pakistan. As she became more famous, Qandeel Baloch also became more controversial. She received intense criticism when she posed for photos with a famous cleric named Mufti Abdul Qavi in his Karachi hotel room and later tweeted that he had behaved inappropriately, in June 2016. The next month, she was dead. Her brother, Waseem Azeem, confessed to her murder. He said, “She was bringing disrepute to our family’s honour and I could not tolerate it any further.” Because of a loophole in Pakistan’s laws regarding honor killings, he believed he would not be punished. Sanam Maher’s book is A Woman Like Her: The Story Behind the Honor Killing of a Social Media Star. Say hello on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram. Sign up for our occasional newsletter, The Accomplice. Follow the show and review us on Apple Podcasts: iTunes.com/CriminalShow. We also make This is Love and Phoebe Reads a Mystery. Artwork by Julienne Alexander. Check out our online shop. Episode transcripts are posted on our website. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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There's this canal that ran outside of her home.
And the first time I went to her home in the village, I remember looking at that and someone told me a like a girl being allowed to swim or being allowed to be outdoors in that way, Kandil really sort of, she stood out from the lot.
She really wanted to make something of herself.
Her parents told me about how even when she was a child, she said, you know, I want to be famous.
I want people to know my name.
I want to sing and dance.
She wanted to be financially independent. These were ideas that
not a lot of the women around her had or perhaps even thought of. Or if they did think of it,
it almost feels impossible. Like, how do you even begin to dream of something like that?
Kandil Baloch was born on March 1st, 1990, in the village of Shah Sardardin in Pakistan. She had six brothers and two sisters.
They weren't very well off.
Their home had mud walls, mud floors.
Her mother didn't work, but her father did.
He worked on the lands around their home.
Her brother sort of did odd jobs.
One of her brothers had a phone shop, like a shop selling phones in the village.
We're speaking about Kandil Baloch with Sanam Maher, a journalist based in Karachi, Pakistan.
She met with Kandil's parents in 2016 and visited the village where she grew up.
I almost felt like culture shock going there because I remember the first day when I was driving into the village,
I was with someone who's a local reporter. He came from that area and he was sort of helping
me meet people there. And I remember looking out of the car window and seeing that the women were
dressed in a way that I hadn't really seen in other parts of the country, I was very used to seeing women in burqas, sort of fully covered
from head to toe. And then over here, I was seeing these women wearing these outfits that were,
it was a burqa, but at the top of it, there was almost like a funnel emerging from the top of
the burqa, like where the woman's head is. And there was no cutout for the eyes, the way that
you might have seen in pictures of women in burqas.
There was nothing like that.
And I remember looking at them, and I was really struck by it.
And I said something to this reporter about it.
And he said, well, that's nothing.
And the funnel, by the way, exists over there.
I was told this later.
Because the women inside this, like, suede fabric,
the funnel allows air to enter so that they don't
suffocate inside it while they're out and about. It can be very hot here in southern Punjab in the
summer. And so I mentioned something to him about the burqas and he just kind of scoffed and he said,
you know, like in a village very near where I'm from, they don't even give the women shoes.
And I was just thinking like, you don't give the women shoes. Like, what does that mean?
I'm trying to put it together.
And he looked at me and he just said, well, imagine if you step out of your house
and you're not wearing shoes.
Like, where are your eyes going to remain?
They're always going to remain on the ground.
You're always going to be looking on the ground just in case you step on something.
You're never going to look up.
You're never going to look at anyone around you. And it was really when I heard that, that it struck me just how brave you had to be to come out of a place like that, to even imagine something bigger for yourself.
I think the girls around Kandil, including her sisters, were getting married.
The idea was that you start a family of your own, you get married, you make a home, and that's your life. She didn't really want any part of that.
When she was 17 years old, Kandil married her mother's cousin. She later said that her parents
forced her to marry him. It was an arranged marriage, but then there's also some dispute
about that because this man later came forward and said, no, it was a love
marriage and she loved me. And there was some sort of dispute around that, but she was very unhappy
in the marriage. She would go home to her parents several times and complain about how her husband
used to beat her, how he wasn't kind to her. She had a son very quickly and she just wasn't happy. Everyone
around her expected that, you know, once she became a mother, she would settle down, she'd
calm down. That never really happened. And she was unhappy in her relationship. Every time she'd go
to her parents and talk about how her husband beat her, how he treated her, her mother in
particular would just brush it aside and she would always take her back to her husband's home.
And when I met her mother, there was something she said that, you know, in our culture, in our
tradition, once a girl goes into the husband's home, the only way she's leaving that home is in a casket.
In 2009, Kandil ran away. She got a job as a hostess for a bus company, welcoming
passengers, reciting a prayer
for safe journeys, and serving
drinks and sandwiches.
And she eventually moved to Islamabad.
Once she moved
to Islamabad, which is the capital,
she met this man there
who a friend introduced her
and he was a manager
for models.
And he said, well, this is easy money and you can get into it.
You have the face for it.
So why don't you just start here and let's see what comes.
So I think she saw that as like something that,
okay, well, I can do this as a short-term thing.
That really appealed to her.
So what Kandeel was doing is very small shows that are usually set up as like entertainment on the side for something bigger.
But the idea is you do the more of them that you do, it's hopefully going to lead to someone in the audience noticing you,
thinking that you're pretty, wanting to have you in a commercial for something, wanting to have you as an extra on a TV show.
So they're seen as a stepping stone to something else,
to a bigger opportunity, and they're very small.
In 2013, Kandil auditioned to be on Pakistan Idol.
Hi, this is me, Kandil Baloch.
I'm a professional model.
And in the audition, there's a big sort of song and dance about,
I'm very nervous, I'm really shy,
and she wants the judges to kind of coax her,
like, no, we really want to hear you sing.
And then she starts singing, and she sounds terrible.
She can't hold a note.
Like, when the show airs, you see that the bit with her audition,
it has all these sound effects added in to make it more ridiculous.
And when you look at the judges, there's all these special effects.
One of them has smoke coming out of his ears or something like that.
It was basically a moment of ridiculing this woman
and how she has these big ambitions and she thinks she's going to be a big star.
She thinks she's going to sing better than anyone else there.
And the audition ends with the judges giving her feedback She thinks she's going to be a big star. She thinks she's going to sing better than anyone else there.
And the audition ends with the judges giving her feedback that's obviously not very good.
And then she starts weeping and she's let out of the room
and she weeps all the way out.
And the voiceover, I remember, in that audition, in that bit,
was like, Kandeel has wept all her eye makeup off.
And it was very dramatic.
And people made fun of her for that audition.
They watched it. They laughed at her. It was a joke.
And then afterwards, later on in her career, she turned around and said,
that was entirely a setup and I was just playing along.
And they told me that they wanted my audition to be one of the funny ones.
And so I hammed it up for the camera and I did what I had to do to make it funny.
And I think that brush with fame was going viral when she's written up in newspapers
or when people are watching the clip on YouTube and sharing it with their friends
or going on Facebook and sharing it.
They're still saying her name. They remember her.
And I think that was a point when
she learned that in this day and age, being famous, you don't have to be famous for doing
something good. You're famous as long as people are talking about you. And I think she had a taste
of that and realized, as long as I can get people to keep doing this, as long as I can keep giving
them something that gets them talking about me, that's exactly what I want. This is the way forward for me.
Tell me a little bit about how her social media presence after this starts to expand.
What starts to happen? Really, sort of very randomly, she and her manager decided to travel
up north to take a bit of a break she wanted to
travel up north and see snow she had never seen snow before and while they were there she made a
video while they were in a marketplace with her manager and it's a really it's it's one of those
things where you look at it now and you're like what did we really see in it it's just a video
of this girl who's kind of preening in front of the camera.
And she asks her man.
We didn't know it was her manager.
It was just a man standing by her side.
And she says, how I'm looking.
And it was the botched English.
It was the delivery.
It was the way she was preening in front of the camera.
And she repeatedly asks him, how do you think I look?
And she's sort of goading him on.
And she says, do you think I look sexy? Do you think I look and she's sort of goading him on and she says do you think I look sexy do you think I look hot um how I'm looking tell me how I'm looking marvelous just marvelous and she just shared that video on her Facebook page along with a bunch of other photographs from the trip. Somehow that video and
that phrase, how I'm looking, became the catchphrase. It was the flavor of the month. People started
making these videos where they'd mimic her and she became the butt of a joke and everything,
that line, how I'm looking, got repeated over and over. Celebrities got onto it and they started
making videos and sharing it on their
social media. But they were saying the line, no one knew who this girl was. No one remembered,
oh yes, she's that Pakistan Idol girl. It was just a video that was doing the rounds and we
wanted to make fun of it. The way she spoke, the way she was blatantly asking for attention.
And it went viral. And from there, she realized, I'm going to keep making videos and keep putting them up on my Facebook page,
that even if people are laughing at me, or if they don't like what I'm wearing,
or they think it's too controversial, or it's kind of scandalous,
I need to just keep them watching, even if the comments are just to make fun of me.
In 2015, she was reported to be one of the 10 most Googled people in Pakistan
and was appearing on talk shows and even the news.
Papers called her the country's first social media star
and Pakistan's Kim Kardashian.
By this time, she was living in Karachi, the largest city in Pakistan,
and sending money home to help her
family.
As she became more famous, her videos became more controversial.
In February 2016, the president urged people not to celebrate Valentine's Day, saying,
Valentine's Day has no connection with our culture, and it should be avoided.
In response, Kandil posted a video calling politicians idiots and wishing her followers a happy Valentine's Day.
And then in March, she made a video in advance of a big cricket match,
India versus Pakistan, that shocked a lot of people.
Right before the match, she posted this video,
which was for the Pakistani cricket team's captain. And she's laying on her bed and you
can kind of see her cleavage. And she makes this video where she says, if you win, I'll do a strip
tease for you, like live on my Facebook page to celebrate your win. And I really want you to win.
And as I strip, I'm going to say your name
and I'm going to dance for you.
A lot of people just hadn't seen something like it.
I remember meeting this one young reporter
and I asked him, like,
why were the men in his newsroom so fascinated by her?
And he said, it's when we saw that video
for the cricket captain.
And we looked at this woman
and we just never seen a woman even speaking like that.
Like, where would we have encountered that?
And they were just fascinated that this woman did it.
And she wasn't afraid of the reaction that she got, even if people called her shameless or called her names.
And she didn't seem to care.
And they didn't understand what kind of woman wouldn't back down or be afraid to sort of take it a step further.
And Kandil was always doing that.
She was always trying to give us the newest thing, something that would really shock us, really surprise us.
Beneath the video, one user commented,
Please shoot her wherever you find her.
Four months later, she was dead.
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The immediate knee-jerk reaction was,
you're such a slut.
You're disgusting.
If I had a body like that,
I would hide that body.
I wouldn't show it off.
There were a lot of rape threats.
I mean, sometimes men would even just
do something like post a picture of a gun
and say, I'm going to find out exactly where you live and
I'm going to come find you. And why are you doing this online? Why can't you just shut up? Why can't
you just go away? I want to make you disappear. Things like that, like endless comments, endless
messages about how disgusting she was, how she deserved to die. And those are the things that
were being said publicly,
so I can't even imagine what it was like in her private messages.
Why were they so mad?
I think she really confused them.
I think she enraged them because no matter what they said,
it didn't seem to affect her.
When I talk to her friends, they do talk about how hurt she was
by some of the messages, how she couldn't understand them. And there are moments where
she would do like Facebook live streams or chats and she would say, you know,
if she would hit back at some of these people and she'd say, if you really don't like what I'm doing
or you find it so disgusting, why do you even come to my
Facebook page? Why do you even want to watch me? Why can't you just leave me alone? Like, what am
I doing to you? How am I offending you? Just don't look at me. And it was men and women, by the way,
that would leave these messages. I'm focusing on the men, but it was a lot of women as well who
said, you're so disgusting. Or we think, like, you should just die or things like that. Or they'd say what they wish
would happen to her. Or aren't you ashamed of yourself? Like how does your father or your
brother or your husband allow you to do this? And she almost dug her heels in and said, the more you
say this to me, the more you threaten me, the more I'm going to make you angry by what I'm doing.
And I'm just going to keep upping the ante. And that confused them. Like, what kind of woman doesn't back down? What kind of woman really believes it's her right to put
her body out there in whatever way she wishes to? What kind of woman asks for attention or wants you
to tell her that you think she's sexy or attractive or beautiful? Like, what kind of
woman does that and is so blatant about wanting your attention?
When do clerics start condemning her? Tell me about the outrage from the culturally conservative community about what she's doing.
Not just men posting and saying terrible things, but these figures of power.
I think that she really came on their radar when she met a cleric.
It was actually here in Karachi.
And there was a cleric who was quite, at that point,
he was someone who was invited on to a lot of talk shows.
He was invited on to give his opinion.
He really knew how to give good TV.
Like, he was very different from a lot of clerics,
where he's not that sort of stern-faced, very dour, sort of like just passing religious judgment on people. He made
jokes. He would like be, just be funny. He would give good TV, but also was religiously quite
knowledgeable. And so he was a fixture on TV and she was invited to be on a talk show with him.
And they got along quite well and they
were cracking jokes. And at the end of it, he said, you know, if I'm ever in Karachi, like,
I'd like to meet you. And she says, yes, of course. And it turns out that he'd travel here
and asked to meet her. And she went and met him at his hotel. And on the way there, she tweets that
she's on her way to meet this man. And while she's in the hotel,
in his room, she shares a number of pictures. In the pictures, she's like, he's sitting on a sofa,
I think, and she's perched on the arm. In another one, she's wearing his cap. The buttons on his
collar are undone. His hair looks a little disheveled. And she tweets those images. And she says she's having
such a fun time with him. And then she left and she tweeted about how he had behaved inappropriately
with her inside that room behind closed doors. And that sort of really struck a nerve with people.
He obviously denied it. And people turned around and said, what were you even doing
in this man's room? Why were you even there? But that man also, for many people, became a laughing
stock. And it was, the conversation was, well, of course, these clerics are all hypocrites. Of
course, behind closed doors, they do exactly what they want, whereas they preach to us about how we should live our lives. And I think that's when it became a problem for a lot of conservative people,
and especially with the clergy, that how is it that this woman, whoever she is,
however scandalous she is, she is attacking one of our own,
and she's managed to make a joke out of him.
That was very difficult for a lot of people to stomach.
What happens next?
So after the run-in with the cleric
and the way that she was sort of making fun
of the whole situation on Twitter,
and she said a lot of things on Twitter
about how hypocritical these religious leaders,
how many of them were just so hypocritical
and they behaved a certain way in private, and she hinted at how she was going to expose many of them were just so hypocritical and they behaved a certain way in
private. And she hinted at how she was going to expose all of them. And she was saying things
like that, which was getting a lot of attention. I think at that point, there was hardly a day when
Kandil wasn't in the news in some way. Her name was also mentioned in parliament as the butt of
a joke, but it was like she had reached that level of notoriety where she was
so well known. And there was a newspaper that ran a story one day with pictures of her passport
that had a name on there that wasn't Kandil. And they had this entire story about how the stuff
that she was saying about herself was all a lie. Like her real
name wasn't even Kandil. They shared details about her marriage, the fact that she'd been married.
They knew about her stint at the transport company working as a bus hostess. And it was an attempt to
take this woman down and to discredit her or to sort of change the story from the things that she was saying about the cleric,
and it worked. Just that story became huge. And when people suddenly found out that this
persona that she'd created, that we just completely bought into, wasn't real,
there were a lot of questions about that. And it sort of, it tugged a string at this image that she built up
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She appealed to Pakistan's interior minister for police protection.
There was no response.
Sanam Malhar says Kandil decided to go home to be with her mother and father.
This was around the time of Eid, which is at the end of the month of fasting,
and we Muslim celebrate Eid at that time.
So it's a time when you get together with your family,
and she decided she wanted to be back with her parents.
She's avoiding any media calls, anything like that.
She's spending time with her parents.
She liked to play music for her father.
She said that I'm happiest when I'm like pressing my mother's feet or giving her massages and things.
She liked to do those things.
And then one night her brother comes over and he makes all of them before they go to sleep.
He makes them a drink with milk, with warm milk.
And they all have it.
And what they don't know is that he's added a sedative to that.
So it knocks them all out.
What happened?
This is what the parents remember happening is they were sleeping separately.
And Kandeel's mother woke up in the morning and felt very groggy.
Like she couldn't understand why her head felt so heavy.
She couldn't walk straight. She's trying to get some breakfast together. She's calling for Kandeel.
There's no answer from the room. And then she goes and she opens the door to the room and she sees
her daughter on the bed and her daughter is dead. The brother is nowhere to be found. Their son is
nowhere to be found. And the room, things have been taken from the room, from around the house, some valuables, money, some jewelry.
And they put two and two together.
And apparently during the night, the brother, once he drugged them, once they were all asleep, he brings someone else over.
He brings one of his cousins over.
And they go into Kandeel's room.
And the brother sort of, first he said that he was the one who strangled her.
But then he sort of changed his story afterwards.
And he said, well, my cousin actually did it.
And I just held her down.
Her brother went back to the village.
And in the morning, people saw him in the village marketplace on his motorbike, just like driving around the marketplace, very proud of what he'd done, being very vocal about what he'd done.
And his idea was, you guys taunted me for not taking care of this problem and now look at what I've gone and done.
And I've taken care of it and she can no longer disrespect me or my family.
How, tell me a little bit about honour killings in Pakistan.
How frequent are honour killings in Pakistan?
And we've described what I'm even, when I'm saying this, what am I even saying?
An honour killing takes place, I mean, an honor killing is essentially, it's a murder, a murder by another name.
But it takes place within a very specific context.
When a man or a woman is believed to have broken the rules in some way, that could be the rules of your society, the rules of your family, the rules of your clan.
You have broken the rules and stepped out of line in some way,
and you need to be punished because that punishment then is a message to everybody else in that society or family that if you step out of line, if you challenge authority, or you try to
change things, or change tradition, or rules, or behave differently, this is what could happen to you.
It's a way of retaining a status quo that exists. And that can be in many different situations. So
for instance, something that's very, honor killings, you asked me how common they are here
in Pakistan. They're extremely common and the conviction rate for them is very low. I believe
back in like a year or two ago, it was as low as
2%. And sometimes it can be for something like someone, a man or woman decides to marry someone
of their own choice. They meet someone, they fall in love, they don't ask their parents,
they get married to that person. That can be seen as disrespecting your family. In some instances,
it is something like a brother,
and these are all real cases,
a brother sees his sister talking to someone on a mobile phone
and he demands to know who it is
and the sister refuses to tell him.
He's convinced, you're talking to a boy.
You have a boyfriend.
You haven't said anything about that to us.
He kills her.
It can be parents doing it to their children.
It can be siblings. It can be parents doing it to their children. It can be siblings. It can be
husbands with wives. It's men and women. But of course,
it is definitely more women than men that are affected by honor crimes every year.
According to the most recent human rights report from the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan,
published in 2020,
quote, women continued to bear the brunt of society's fixation with honor.
Sanam Maher says that after Kandil's murder, some people in Pakistan celebrated. Someone on Twitter wrote, her brother did well. Some speculated that the cleric that she'd posed with in the hotel
room, Mufti Abdul Qavi, was connected to her murder. When he was approached by a television
reporter, he said,
In the future, before you humiliate the clergy, you should remind yourself of this woman's
fate.
There were also protests and vigils. Some held signs that said, no country for bold women.
One activist told reporters that it appears it is very easy to kill a woman in this country.
Kandil's murder was reported around the world.
So after Kandil was killed, because the case also became so huge and got such massive attention,
media attention, even internationally.
Suddenly the government looked really bad.
It looked like we didn't care that more than a thousand people were being killed in a year in these kinds of crimes.
And what actually existed at the time was there was a loophole in the laws
which allowed for the person who has been killed,
their family members can forgive the person who has killed them.
So you're allowed to forgive the killer or accept a financial compensation for the murder.
And the murderer walks scot-free, doesn't have to spend a single day in jail even.
Now the problem with this loophole is honor crimes take
place within families, and they take place within communities that are very tightly knit. So let's
say a husband kills a wife on the pretext of honor. He suspects her of doing something. And a lot of
times it's literally, it's just suspicion of bad behavior or having an affair. It's not even
concrete proof. Suspicion is enough. So this man kills this woman. According to the loophole that
existed, the woman's family could forgive the man. The man could pay them a certain amount of money
or they could just forgive him for committing the crime. A lot of times when you're living in the
same community or you are all part of the same family or there's intermarriage or things like that, if a brother kills a sister,
now the aggrieved party are the parents of both those people. They can forgive the son and that's
it. Nothing happens. When Kandil's brother killed her, he knew that this is what happens with a lot
of instances of honor crimes.
He thought he would walk completely free.
So when the police find him and they present him before this press conference with all these journalists,
he very proudly admits to all of them that he has killed his sister.
But because Kandil Baloch was so well known in Pakistan, her murder was not handled quietly.
There was immense pressure on the government to do something.
In October 2016, the Pakistani parliament approved anti-honor killing and anti-rape legislation.
The legislation was changed.
It was fast-tracked and changed.
Families can no longer forgive the killers.
The only thing that they can do is save the killer or pardon him from the death penalty.
The killer will, regardless, if found guilty, serve life in prison.
So the legislation changes and suddenly Kandeel's brother realizes he's in a very sticky situation.
He changes his story.
He says, no, I actually, I lost my nerve at the last minute.
I couldn't do it.
It was my cousin that did it.
I didn't actually kill her.
I just said that because everyone was saying that I needed to deal with my sister and that she was so shameless and I had to do something about it.
Did her parents forgive their son enough so that he wasn't up for the death penalty? So this was something very unusual in Kandeel's case, where the parents
were outraged by what had happened. There were all these interviews with this man and this woman
who turned around and said, our son should be hanged for what he's done. We think it is complete,
like we don't want to pardon him.
He's taken our child away from us.
We want him to get the most severe punishment possible.
And a lot of people were really taken aback
because to see these two people stand up for their daughter
and their daughter who had been very publicly flouting the rules
and behaving quote unquote badly,
to see them stand up for her and to say,
no, she was better than any of our sons and she provided for us, she took care of us,
and he's killed her, we want him to be punished.
That was very unusual.
That's also, I think, why the case got a lot of attention,
because it was such an anomaly from the cases that usually take place here,
where families cover for one another.
The trial lasted for three years.
The primary defendant was Kandil's brother,
but there were many others accused of being involved.
Her cousin, her other brothers, a neighbor, a driver,
and also the cleric, Mufti Abdul Qavi.
There were rumors that he had transferred money
into Kandil's brother's bank account.
But in the end, everyone was acquitted
except for Kandil's brother.
Critics speculated that the cleric
had paid off investigators.
His supporters showered him with rose petals
as he left the court building.
Years into the trial,
Kandil's parents changed their mind about wanting their son punished. They submitted a written statement saying that they had forgiven
him and asking the court to forgive him as well. The judge denied their request and Condell's
brother was sentenced to life in prison on September 27, 2019.
There's so many honor crimes every year in Pakistan.
But if you ask the average Pakistani to even name one of those people
or tell you what they look like, it would be so difficult to do that.
We forget them by the time the next day's news comes around.
Their stories are buried inside the newspaper, just a small item about it.
Nothing is ever sort of investigated further.
Kandeel was different because she was someone who every day when you'd wake up,
when you go to your Facebook page and you're scrolling through it,
she's there amongst your friends and family and colleagues.
You're seeing her updates every day.
You're sharing her videos with friends. You're imitating her. You're making fun of her.
And to see this woman behave the way that she did and to suddenly have her be punished for it,
it really affected a lot of young men and women where they turned around and said, what kind of place are we living in where something like this is possible? I think it really brought home the severity of these crimes
and the ways in which you can be punished for stepping out of line.
I think this is a thing that she really brought home to us.
Like, what kind of lives do we want to have for ourselves as young Pakistanis?
What do we dream of for ourselves?
What are the things that we're willing to fight for, knowing how things can turn out,
knowing how it can all just unravel in a minute?
Sanam Maher wrote a book about Kandil Baloch.
It's called A Woman Like Her,
the story behind the honor killing of a social media star.
She writes,
Kandil was buried.
Her mother covered her hands and feet in henna and kissed them before covering her in a white shroud,
a local tradition that shows everyone that the woman being
buried was a martyr. She died for some cause
and died with honor.
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