Criminal - The Speeding Duck, the Hungry Javelina, and “Leonardo da Pinchy”

Episode Date: December 19, 2025

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Find out in the thought-provoking sequel, the downloaded to Ghost the Machine, available now only from Audible. Hello, Phoebe here is Sven from Switzerland. Hi, Sven. Sven Montgomery is the head of the police inspectorate in a town near Bern, Switzerland. The municipality of Koenitz. So what is a typical day like at your job? Oh, my typical day is actually I'm drinking coffee first, and then I get my computer started,

and normally I'm always writing emails, answering phone calls to people who are upset about getting a fine. Sven says he and his colleagues mostly handle things like speeding tickets and parking fines. Each week, they go through a batch of photographs, of speeding cars captured by the speed radar cameras around town. One day last April, Sven's colleague, Susan Haubecker, was looking through the photos, and she noticed that one speed radar's camera had been triggered by something that was in a car. There is a duck on the photo.

What is the duck doing in the photograph? He is flying. flying through the street. In the photograph, there's nothing else on the road, just this duck right in the center with its wings stretched out. So to trigger the speed radar camera, you have to be going a certain speed? Yeah.

The speed limit there was 30, and the duck went 52. Kilmills per hour. That's a fast duck. That was, I don't know how fast ducks are, but their duck was way too fast. What's the penalty for going that fast? Oh, that would have been a heavy penalty because normally, if you compare it to a car driver, it would have given a report to the public prosecutor.

And normally, I think the duck would have lost the driving license. And even fine, like much more than 1,000 Swiss francs, which is like, $1,300 U.S. dollar or something like that. Have you ever seen any other animals speeding like that? No, no. Sometimes we have a Santa Claus in December, but not a Santa sleight in bipolar. Just Santa, not his sleigh.

Yes, there we have also a good picture. I heard someone put up the picture of the duck. Yes, it's on the wall. We have a Hall of Fame with the pictures, also with the Santa Claus. Oh, so the duck is next to the Santa Claus. Yes, yes, exactly. Sometimes Sven is up there too. I'm doing a lot of biking, so sometimes I'm also in the other.

My team, if they think there's a funny picture, they put them up, to remember me that it shouldn't go too fast. I want to see a race between you and that duck, the duck and you on your bike, and see. It depends. If you go downhill, the other direction, as the duck went, then perhaps I might be fast enough to follow and otherwise no chance. The duck isn't contending with hills like you might be.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She has a easy, she don't have to follow the roads. And then me, unfortunately, I have to stay on the road. If this is your first December listening to Criminal, you might not know that we have an annual tradition of creating these animals episodes, dating back to 2021. It all started with a story from 1908, we saw when reading an old archival newspaper.

A dog, a quote, splendid Newfoundland outside Paris, saved a small child who fell into the Sen. The dog was rewarded with a stake. Two days later, the same dog saved another child from drowning in the river. Then it happened again. Quote, whenever the dog saw a child playing on the edge of the stream,

he promptly knocked it into the water and jumped in to the rescue. He had thus established for himself a profitable source of revenue, end quote. The headline was, Dog, a fake hero. We're now on our fifth annual animals episode. Last year's included a dog that ate $4,000.

We've brought you stories about bees, seagulls, camels, foxes, and pigs. This year, the episode hit a little close to home, when the building, where we record, had a sudden and unexplained flea issue. At first, someone thought kittens had snuck in or been let in. Eventually, it was discovered that the source of the fleas was a possum, living in the H-FAC system. As of this recording, the possum has outsmarted multiple professionals. It's an ongoing mystery, and as a result, I'm recording this episode in my guest bedroom. Happy five years of animals really going for it.

I'm Phoebe Judge. This is criminal. In April of 2022, the Yavapai County Sheriff's Office in Arizona got a call about a car in a vacant lot in a town called Cornville. An officer went to investigate. Sure enough, as I ran to the corner, there was a Subaru hatchback off, kind of under some trees, and it looked like it had almost been parked under the trees or left there, abandoned. It looked to be a little odd, to say the least. This is Sergeant Zebediah Dickinson He said it looked like it could have been a getaway car

That someone ditched He parked his own police car nearby And got out of my own vehicle and walked over And there was a havelina And thought of the Subaru Havilinas technically aren't pigs But they do look just like them Here in Arizona there's an abundance of them

How big are they? They range from 40 to 80 pounds. And are they nice? They're nice maybe from a distance. They're known to be a little aggressive if you get up close to them. They're a pretty large piece that I'm sure if they got to hold you would be a, wouldn't make for a good day for somebody. Zebediah remembers when he walked up to the car,

it looked like the Havillina had chewed up parts of the inside. All of the doors were closed. it didn't seem like it could get out. It took a little bit of investigating and just, I guess, imagination if at least, how and why the vehicle was where it was with the Havelin-a-trapped side. He tried to figure out where the car had come from, asking neighbors who were around.

He learned that it belonged to a man who lived across the street. He said that when he knocked on his door at first, the man seemed like he didn't want to talk. I don't think he was very understanding initially He said there was a havelina in his car. I'm sure if I told that from anybody else, I'd think it was a joke. He also didn't understand how his car had ended up in the vacant lot. Zab and I learned that the man had left the rear hatch of his car open overnight in his driveway, across the street.

And there was a bag of Cheetos that were inside the car. So doing my investigation there, it seems that the havelina was having a, A midnight snack for lack of better terms. Zepadaya thought the hatch must have closed when the Havillina jumped into the car for the Cheetos and that it spent the rest of the night trying to get back out. The vehicle was a manual, so all the thrashing around and kicked the vehicle in neutral

rolled from the driveway across the road and down into the under the trees on the opposing side. Zebediah says getting it out of the car was much harder than he'd expected. I believe it wasn't moving much until I got closer to the window and then it kind of snarled at the window. Zepidai had decided to tie a rope to the handle of the rear hatch, run the rope through the window of his own patrol car,

and from the front seat of his car, pull the rope and open the hatch. You didn't want to just open the door? No, after that initial walking up to this car and it's trying to, like, I don't want to say eat me, but it felt that way. way through the window. I had aired on the side of caution for that part. So you protected yourself with a rope and you sat in your car? Yep, and cracked the latch, pulled, and just said a little prayer that hopefully he'll just live along his day. And did he? Absolutely. I think he was more excited to get out of there than I was. So he jumped out and he went running away. Long gone,

never to be seen or heard from since. Did you get a pretty good look of the car once he got out of there? What he had done? The dashboard itself had been chewed on. Some of the seats were torn up. The bag was definitely torn open. So, could cheetahs were gone. One of my favorite stories of the year happened in Bavaria, Germany. People in an apartment building were woken up late at night by someone ringing their doorbells.

When they looked, they couldn't see anyone. It didn't make any sense. One resident said she thought it was teenagers, playing a prank. But then, her upstairs neighbor called to say someone was ringing her doorbell. Quote, it kept ringing even as we telephoned. Despite the fact, no one could be seen at the door. We became really uneasy. That's when we decided to call the police.

Two officers arrived. The bell kept ringing. No one saw anyone. The motion detector wasn't activating. And then, looking very closely, everyone noticed a trail of slime and a slug taking a walk across the doorbell panel. A police spokesperson said the slug had been taught about boundaries and placed on a nearby stretch of grass.

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I know. I have no idea where that name came from. This is Heidi Taylor. One day a few years ago, Heidi's. father was buying goats for their farm. And one of them was Joshua. Actually, after him, we had a female goat with him, and we called her Dolly. And I know if you know, well, you know the singer Dolly Parton, she sung a song called Joshua. And that was why she was called Dolly because of him. Joshua lives on Heidi's farm, Taylor's Pumpkin Patch in Newfoundland. People call me his person because he watches me wherever. I'm also the one that gives the truth.

At the pumpkin patch, Joshua spends most of his time outside, but he does have his own little house, and Heidi takes him for daily walks. Like on a leash? He's walked with a leash, but even though there's a leash on him, I don't hold it. Joshua walks with me by my side, and when I turn around to come back, he'll come back. If I run, he'll run. If I stop, he'll stop. don't have to tell him. He just does whatever I do. One day last year, Heidi was at home with her husband, about a mile away from their farm.

It was a Sunday, and the pumpkin patch wasn't open. And then her husband, Colin, asked Heidi to come over and look at something on his computer. And he says to me, I think we have a problem. He was looking on Facebook, just somebody said, there's a ghost, a ghost. goat on the loose, and he said Joshua is down at the intersection in a community called Long Pond, and he's in the intersection on the crosswalk, and he's running, and I thought, no, no way. And when I looked at the picture, it was him. Heidi says she was surprised, because Joshua had never escaped before. Whenever he got loose on the farm, he never went

anywhere. But that day, the town was holding their first half marathon. Over 200 people had signed up. They were running along an old railbed, and the course went right by Joshua's house on the pumpkin patch. And when they were running by, he must have thought, I'm going with them. So he broke, he broke his rope or his leash. There were more photos of Joshua popping up on Facebook. Heidi and Colin posted asking anyone who saw him to send them tips if they saw Joshua. They decided to head to the last place

where they'd seen photos of him. We got the truck, and then at that time, Joshua loved cheesies. So we took cheesies with us, and we took up and got him. I'm sorry, he loved what? He loved chees. What is that?

Soft cheesies. Like potato chips, but a cheesy. He liked the bag of Cheezys. Cheezys, a Canadian version of Cheetos. When they got to the last place Joshua had been photographed, he wasn't there. But they found a crossing guard who had seen him. Spoke to the crossing guard, where the pitcher was, said that he kept going with the runners and stayed on the trail. He didn't wander off. He kept going with them.

Heidi and Colin kept following the race course. At another intersection, one of the volunteers, said they'd just seen a goat go by. Another volunteer at a water station tried to stop Joshua, but he seemed to want to keep running. People posted videos running with him. Some of the runners would form a little ring around him.

At one point, he seemed to be getting tired, so they slowed down to stay with him. Because they were afraid something would happen to him, and when the next group of runners would pass, he would take off and chase him. So he just wanted to run. He just wanted to run. Yep, he did.

And then they heard that a runner had gotten a hold of Joshua and handed him over to a police officer. They were waiting up ahead. When Heidi and Colin caught up to Joshua, they decided to let him finish if he wanted to. He kept running. He kept running and we let him do it. And he crossed the finish line with some of the runners

and was awarded a medal. How far did he end up running that day? Five kilometers, so roughly three and a half miles. That's a long time for a 150-pound 11-year-old goat. It's very long, and actually goats only lived to be 14 to 15 years old. So he's kind of an old man. He is an old man. He is an old man. And actually, the veterinarians, we had them come in and check him out, and to see he was okay.

and they said it for his age, as a wonder, he ran that much, and he was fine. He was totally fine. What did he do the next day? He slept the whole next day, the whole day. Heidi says it was the first time she'd ever heard him snore. After the race, dozens of people came to the pumpkin patch to see Joshua. They brought him apples and bread. Do you think he would tolerate a little pair of shoes?

No, I don't think over those hoofs, no. He's got some pretty good hoofs that we have to keep trimmed. Well, Heidi, I hope that I get to run with Joshua someday. He seems like he'd be a good companion. Well, this run this year was bigger than last year, and a majority of the runners, half of them said to us, the reason why we've done it is because we were hoping Joshua would be in this race. Earlier this year,

Tony DiNardo and his family set off on a road trip from their farm in Pennsylvania to New Hampshire. Tony was planning to run a marathon there. He's trying to run one in every state. Tony packed their van the night before they left and strapped their luggage to the roof. He, his wife, Margaret, their daughter, and a few of her friends, started driving at 5.30 in the morning. Here's Margaret. It was about 45 minutes of Country Road, uphill. downs. It's a really mountainous area to get from where we are to Interstate 80, which goes

the holy across Pennsylvania, into New York and the upper New England states. So we were on that for about 45 minutes, and then we got on Interstate 80, which is a busy interstate. You know, the speed limit 70 miles per hour. There's lots of semi-trucks. How long were you driving before you made your first stop? A little over two hours. It was 105 miles. And Tony, what happened when you pulled over? Nothing out of the ordinary until I saw the cat. What do you mean you saw the cat? Well, I went ahead and got out of the van and got my wallet out.

And I just started walking towards the back of the van and the pump. And it's getting my card out of my wallet. And then I looked up to the left, and Ray Ray was just standing there looking at me. Ray, Ray, their cat, on the roof of the van. on the back of the roof behind the luggage carrier. I just, at the first, just couldn't believe it. And then I started laughing. And at that time, Margaret and the girls were walking around the front of the van.

And she looked over and said, what? And I just raised my hand and Ray Ray looked at Margaret, wanted someone to get him down and hold him, I guess. Well, what was, did he seem scared? No, not at all. He was just standing on the van like he normally would. Yeah, by the time I got to the back, he was stretching. You know, cats will put their head down and stretch.

He was just walking in circles, rubbing his head against the luggage. Like, nothing had happened. Here is Tony and Margaret's daughter, Sophia. I don't get up to go to the bathroom a lot during road trips. I technically sleep a lot. So I was just waking up when my mom opened the door and got into the car with the cat. And I look at her, and I didn't notice at first, and she's holding the cat in her arms. And I was like, where did Ray Ray come from?

Before they left home that morning, Tony remembers tightening the strap, securing the luggage to the car. And he wasn't there. We got in the car and started driving. So he had to have been holding on to the back of the luggage carriage carrier. with his claws. Right, because no one saw him either. I could see no one seeing him on our rural trip, but on the interstate,

you would have thought somebody may have seen a cat on the roof and tried to alert us, but that didn't happen at all. Someone behind us. Right, someone behind you, like, beep, beep, there's a cat on your roof. Well, there were people passing us, but no, they did not beep at all. No. You said this was a hundred and five miles that you had driven. Yes.

Windy roads on the highway going 70 miles an hour. Yes. My family liked to joke that they were glad that my husband was driving because if I was, Ray Ray for sure wouldn't have made it. When the DeNardos found Ray Ray, they talked about turning around to take him home. But Tony said he's just going to come with us. And how was his trip? I mean, did he take part in the activities? He did everything with us. Everything. We went hiking when we were in New Hampshire to a couple state parks.

Then we decided that Ray Ray should cross the finish line with my husband, which is exactly what he did. We waited for him right, you know, before the finish line. I passed him over the fence and Tony ran right through the finish line with Ray Ray in his arms. We'll be right back. Support for the show comes from S. Day Lauder. This holiday season, make sure all eyes are on you with S. Day Laudder's iconic doubleware foundation. It's 24-hour, color true wear and oil control. Make it the perfect fit to be your next go-to foundation. It's lightweight and buildable, with medium to full coverage,

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Just that day, there was a bear on the wrong side or the other side of the fence from where I normally see them. This is Christine Noelle. She's worked at Sequoia Park Zoo in Northern California, for nine years. The zoo has boardwalks that let you walk up high in the trees, in some places, about 100 feet off the ground. Someone at the zoo has to check them every morning to make sure nothing's broken overnight. One morning in October, Christine went out to take a look, and that's when she saw a black bear walking along the boardwalk. I looked at him and could recognize immediately that this wasn't any bear that I knew who lived at the zoo and was an outsider who had come by to visit. What was it doing? He was just taking a stroll. Yeah, he was just very relaxed and

calmly visiting each of our three bears going from sort of one to the other. They were safely in their own quarters. So all of those interactions were happening through a barrier, through a fence. Was he act? I mean, did he have pretty good behavior? Oh, he was very calm, very comfortable. At one point he laid down

and looked like he was getting ready to just take a nap. He thought he was spending the night in a hotel or something. Yeah, yeah. I think he thought he found a pretty good place to live. But unfortunately, we are all full. Christine says the bear stayed on the path and never tried to climb over the railings to get into the bear habitat. There's a picture of him, with his two back feet on the ground, standing up, with his two front paws resting on the railing, peering down, looking into the enclosure.

He looks like anyone else just there for the day enjoying the zoo. How did the bear get in? You know, we have a perimeter fence that goes around the zoo. that's topped with barbed wire. That's there to be keeping, you know, our animals safe. But there are trees that are close to that perimeter fence. And our best guess is that he had scaled a tree near the fence and was able to get past the barbed wire on top. They have a pretty thick fur coat.

So, you know, he probably got over without encountering. too much of the barb bends. And if he's motivated enough, you know, bears are pretty intelligent and pretty physically capable of a lot. The zoo has plans and drills for what happens if an animal escapes their habitat. But they'd never planned for a wild animal coming into the zoo. Christine radioed other staff about the bear. Someone radioed back, is this a drill? The zoo delayed opening while Christine, along with four other zookeepers and the zoo director, got to work.

They closed the gates except for the ones on the path that led back to the forest. Whenever the bear went the wrong way, they made loud noises to redirect it. What kind of noises do you make to keep the bear away? We have some air horns. We have a leaf blower that we use for just cleaning the pathways, but it makes a startling sound. So between all of that, we're able to discourage him from staying too close.

Eventually, after about 45 minutes, the bear did leave. The zoo posted about the bear online. They said they had had an eventful morning, but that the bear was overall a very polite visitor. One day, earlier this year, Wendy Ballard was on an important work call from her home in Auckland, New Zealand, when she heard her 11-year-old son shouting. Finished my call, and I said to my son, that was really rude. I told you not to interrupt that call, what was going on. And he goes, Leo came running through the house, and he stole your jacket, mum. And I'm like, what are you talking about? Wendy has security cameras in her house.

She opened up her phone and looked at the footage. And there's this video footage of Leo running out of our house with my brand-new $300 Mohair jumper running down the stairs of our house and up the driveway, dragging it along the concrete, and my son going, F***, Leo! Mom! I'm Helen North, and I have a lovely little cat called Leonardo,

who's rather naughty. He was named Leonardo initially by my daughter because he used to lie on his back like a ninja turtle. But then when he started being a little bit of a criminal, he changed to Leonardo Dupinci because it fitted him better. From the very beginning, Helen says she knew there was something different about Leo. The moment he came into the house, he was hunting down all of our socks. So he would find our socks, bring them to us,

and then we would throw them away back across the room, and he would bring them back. So he was very much into fetching. He loved that. And he wasn't really into your kind of normal chacey cat toys, like things that roll along the floor or fluffy mice. He always liked socks and gloves. When Leo was about four months old,

Helen and her family started letting Leo outdoors. One day I came home from work, and there was about 10 single socks on the lounge floor. And I thought to myself, my husband Tim, I thought, why would he leave all his socks there? That's weird, but I didn't really think anything of it. And then Tim came home and said, none of those are my socks.

And then we sort of was settling down for the night to have dinner, and Leo walked in with a t-shirt, and we were like, oh, dear. Helen and her family didn't recognize the t-shirt either. Leo started bringing more and more clothing home, sometimes every day, sometimes as many as 15 times a day. How many items of clothing has he brought home at this point? About 300.

Yeah. Including from Helen's neighbor, Wendy Ballard, Leo's taken more than just her Mohair sweater. He has come back quite often takes things off the clothesline, so does fixate on my husband's socks. He hasn't taken any of our underwear. but he has definitely taken other neighbours underwear. Helen says Leo's also taken pants, shirts, boxers, gloves, a gym towel, even a big stuffed animal.

Wendy says she's seen him scaling their fence to grab things off their clothesline. So he's just like dragging the stuff in his mouth? Yeah, in his little mouth. So he's a very little cat. He's not a big cat. And so some of the things he's brought home, he's bought him really big jerseys, like brand new jerseys with the tags on them and things. that we're worth a lot of money. And he just drags them in between his legs.

And he jumps over fences with them. He's quite agile and determined. Like our neighbours, he's run away. Like he's been caught in the act a few times and he's sprinted off still with them in his mouth. You can't get anywhere near him. Yeah, he's fast. Leo has been bringing stolen items home for more than a year now.

What do you do with all of it? Well, for a while we just kind of went around the neighbours and asked if it was theirs. if things were theirs. And we did get a few hits, get a few people going, yeah, that's mine. But then he went a bit wider. So I started posting on Facebook about once a month. And we realized he was going to about 40 different places.

And now I have a WhatsApp group. Every week, Helen lays out all the clothes that Leo has brought home, takes a picture, and people respond with their items circled. And say, that's mine, and that's mine, and that's fine. And then you do the drop off. Yeah. Or they come. Sometimes people come around and see us because often they want to meet him because a lot of people have heard about him. Our neighbours that just bought their house, he sold their sock last week.

And they were thrilled because the real estate agent that sold them, the house said, oh, the house comes with the cat burglar. So hopefully he'll visit you. And they were so thrilled that he turned up. We'll have photos and videos of all the animals from today's eyes. episode up on our Instagram and TikTok at Criminal underscore podcast. Recently, we've said goodbye to some friends. Lena Sillison's dog Disco, Jackie Sajiko's cat, Jack Burton, Katie Bishop's dog Coco, Lauren Spoor's dog, Ardell.

Thank you very much for listening this year. Happy holidays and see you in 2026. Criminal is created by Lauren Spore and me. Nadia Wilson is our senior producer. Katie Bishop is our supervising producer. Our producers are Susanna Robertson, Jackie Sajiko, Lily Clark, Lena Sillison, and Megan Canane. Our engineer is Veronica Semenetti. Julian Alexander makes original illustrations for each episode of Criminal.

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