Criminology - Jeffrey Dahmer

Episode Date: December 13, 2020

Jeffrey Dahmer is one of the most notorious serial killers in United States history. He killed seventeen men between 1978 and 1991. The details of his murders that emerged after his 1991 arrest shocke...d the entire world. Join Mike and Morf as they discuss the horrendous actions of Jeffrey Dahmer. The details of his murders caused newspapers to call him "The Milwaukee Cannibal" and "The Milwaukee Monster."  You can help support the show at patreon.com/criminology An Emash Digital production Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:02:52 I was 18 years old. Driving home. I saw this hitchhiker about a mile from my house and he caught my eye I drove past him thought to myself should I stop pick him up or should I just keep on going
Starting point is 00:03:12 I wish I just keep on going but I didn't turned around picked him up and that's when that's when the nightmare became in reality It just seems so bizarre to me that this obsession that I had been thinking about and wanting, just all the parts are there and they make it possible to make it happen. That audio you just heard is from one of the most notorious serial killers in U.S. history,
Starting point is 00:03:53 Jeffrey Dahmer. I think it goes without saying that most listeners know who Jeffrey Dahmer was. But in this episode, we are going to explore the shocking details that made him infamous. So let's dive right in. Jeffrey Dahmer killed 17 men. Between 1978 and 1991, he became known as the Milwaukee cannibal and the Milwaukee monster. Details of his horrific and gruesome crimes shocked the world after his 1991 arrest.
Starting point is 00:04:27 Eventually, Dahmer's life would also come. come to a violent end. There are few people, if any, who have not heard of the name Jeffrey Dahmer. His name alone is a reminder to many of the ghoulishness that exists in this world. He is undoubtedly one of the most vile. Some people would say the most evil killers in American history. But unlike most serial killers, Jeffrey Dahmer had a reasonably normal upbringing. Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer was born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin on May 21, 1960, to Lionel and Joyce Dahmer. He has one brother, David Dahmer, who's six years as junior. Jeffrey appeared to have a healthy, happy, and active childhood until around the age of four, when he had surgery to correct a double hernia. His parents felt
Starting point is 00:05:19 that somehow the surgery had changed him, and Jeffrey became noticeably subdued. Between his family's frequent moves and his brother David's birth on December 18, 1960s. he also became increasingly withdrawn. Shortly before David's birth, the family had moved the Doyles Town, Ohio, and in 1968, they moved the Bath near Akron. His childhood years weren't easy for Jeffrey. Joyce Dahmer often battled bouts of depression, and at times, she seemed ill-equipped to battle through her own illness, let alone help Jeffrey through his problems. Meanwhile, Lionel was busy working, and wasn't at home much, and didn't connect much with a son or show much attention. But although this wasn't the perfect family, it was somewhat normal
Starting point is 00:06:05 in many ways. During elementary school, most young boys are playing with their friends, riding bikes, teasing each other, teasing girls. But Dahmer wasn't like most boys his age. He started wandering off on his own. He was withdrawn. And he started to have disturbing fantasies. He started killing animals and even impaled the head of one animal on a stick. Around puberty, Jeffrey Dahmer faced his sexuality, like most boys his age. He discovered he was gay, but did not tell his parents. A person coming out so young in the 60s and 70s, more far different than individuals coming out today. He kept that to himself, didn't tell his family. He didn't tell his family, but what it did was it pushed Dahmer into further self-isolation.
Starting point is 00:07:01 By the time he was 13, Jeffrey Dahmer was disengaged, tense, and had virtually no friends. He said that his compulsions towards necrophilia and murder began at the age of 14. Those who knew Dahmer in high school called him peculiar. His strange behavior started with high school pranks. Jeffrey had been involved in the band in his freshman year and spent one year contributing to the school newspaper. He also played intramural tennis for three years. High school principal William Holco said that Jeffrey was a C student whose attendance slid from near perfect ninth grade to a regular by a senior year.
Starting point is 00:07:37 Jeffrey Dahmer graduated from Reaver's High School in Richfield, Ohio in May of 1978. His parents who had held their crumbling relationship together for a long time finally concluded that their marriage was over. Both Lionel and Joyce moved out of the family home to live with relatives. Dahmer, who had just turned 18, remained in the house by himself. He became even more isolated. After the last bit of normalcy and family life faded away, Lionel and Joyce Dahmer's divorce was finalized in July of 1978.
Starting point is 00:08:17 And at some point after that, Joyce moved to Fresno, California. Dahmer enrolled in Ohio State University, but dropped out after a quarter term. Lionel insisted that Dahmer joined the army, so in January 1979, he enlisted as a medical specialist at Fort Sam Houston. Six months later, he was deployed to bomb holder West Germany, where he served as a combat medic. But Jeffrey Dahmer's heavy drinking led to the army discharging him in March, 1981. German authorities later investigated possible connections between Dahmer and murders that occurred in the area during that time. Five women were mutilated and murdered between 1979 and 1981.
Starting point is 00:08:57 But it seems that Dahmer never killed anyone while he was serving in the army, and his victims were all male. But that doesn't mean that Dahmer didn't attack while he was there. In 2010, Preston Davis came forward in an interview saying Jeffrey Dahmer had drugged and raped him in an armored personnel vehicle. while they were stationed in Germany. Davis left Germany and his replacement was 17-year-old Billy Joe Capshaw. Capshaw said Dahmer attacked him.
Starting point is 00:09:29 The very first night he arrived at the base in a room that the two shared. Capshaw managed to escape by jumping from the third floor window. Capshaw estimated that Dahmer raped him eight to ten times. He recalled that Jeffrey had tied him to the bunk with, motor pool rope, stripped him of his clothing, and either beat him before he raped him or beat him after. He reported the attack to army officials and was taken to the dispensary to be tested with a rape kit to determine if he was being truthful. But apparently the physicians, they didn't do anything. And Capshaw was sent back to his room. He found out a decade later that the rape
Starting point is 00:10:15 kit and results had been discarded. Capshaw remained in Germany for about 17 months. And throughout that time, he was raped and tortured by Jeffrey Dahmer. And more of, you know, this type of thing is something that comes up in the research of a lot of the cases that we do. Most often, I see it where the victim is a woman. She goes to the authorities and either they don't. believe her, they dismiss her. You know, this time it's a man. We're in the army, but the same thing
Starting point is 00:10:52 happens, right? He does what he's supposed to do. He reports it to the correct people. And it's as though it gets completely dismissed. They don't look into it. They don't do anything about it. nothing. And I think for me, it really ticks me off every time I see this. Now, granted, normally these cases are older that we're talking about going back to the 60s, 70s and 80s, but it really gets to me that you have victims who are willing and muster up the courage to tell the proper people what is happening to them. And they essentially get nothing. They get no support whatsoever. Yeah, you would think that something like the military is going to protect their soldiers and investigate this kind of claim. And to see that not happen, whether it was a male or a female,
Starting point is 00:11:56 in this case, a male, is pretty troubling. And also, I don't know if it had something to do with this is the time of don't ask, don't tell the stance they had in the military for that. I don't know if they sort of didn't want to get involved because it ventured down that territory and they just dismissed it all together. But either way, it's really unfortunate. Yeah, I'm not sure if it had anything to do with that or not, but we already said it. Dahmer was discharged from the army for drinking too much. So we know that they have rules. I mean, it's kind of what they base the whole thing on, right? Rules and regulations and this and that.
Starting point is 00:12:36 But when it comes to something like this, it's like, we're closing our eyes to it. We don't want to get involved. I just, I don't understand it. And it also leads you to wonder, had they taken this more serious and investigated and punished him, maybe that would have spared a lot of people their lives in the future. Well, I think we see that in a number. of cases. Things go unreported. People aren't charged. They're not convicted. And then, you know, therefore, they don't have something that they should have following them around.
Starting point is 00:13:14 So, you know, when authorities are looking into who might be committing certain crimes, they might not hit the radar because they don't have in their file what they should have, I guess is what I'm trying to say. After Jeffrey Dahmer returned from Germany to the States, he settled back in Bath, Ohio, and he lived with Lionel. Jeffrey did move the Miami, Florida for a few months, but he quickly returned to Bath. At this time, Donmer was drinking heavily. During the 1980s, he wandered from job to job, holding down such positions as a phlebotomist at the Milwaukee Blood Plasma Center, and as a mixer at the Milwaukee Ambrosia Chocolate Factory.
Starting point is 00:13:56 He was arrested for being drunk and disorderly in Bath in late 1981. During that arrest, it took four police officers to hold him down. The arrest forced Lionel Dahmer to send his son to live with his grandmother, Catherine Dahmer, in West Alice, Wisconsin. When Jeffrey first moved there, he abided by his grandmother's rules, helped her keep her house clean, ran errands, and accompanied her to church. But soon, they began to clash, and more trouble was on the horizon. The summer after Jeffrey moved in with his grandmother, he was arrested for indecent exposure.
Starting point is 00:14:32 In 1986, Domer was arrested once again after two boys accused him of masturbating in front of them. He received one year of probation. And again, more if this is kind of piggybacking on what we just talked about, right? You know, maybe, just maybe, if any of these warning signs of trouble within, Jeffrey Dahmer had been recognized if they had been dealt with, it's possible that the carnage he would later cause could have been avoided. But it definitely couldn't have stopped them all because what no one knew was that Dahmer had already committed his first murder by the time of these arrests. Jeffrey Dahmer's first killing occurred in June 1978 when he picked
Starting point is 00:15:26 up a hitchhiker named Stephen Hicks and drove into his parents' house and back. There he got Stephen drunk, and when Stephen tried to leave, Dahmer struck him in the head with a barbell and then strangled him. He dismembered the corpse, packed the body parts in plastic bags, and buried them behind the home. Later on, he exhumed the remains, crushed the bones with a sledgehammer, and scattered them across a wooded ravine behind the house. Authorities do not believe he committed any other murders in Ohio. On November 21st, 1987, Jeffrey Dahmer met 24-year-old Stephen Tiami at a Milwaukee bar. He persuaded the young man to get a room at the Ambassador Hotel after Stephen refused to go to Dahmer's residence.
Starting point is 00:16:15 Jeffrey Dahmer later said that he had no intention of killing him. He had planned simply to drug and rape him as the man lay unconscious. Dahmer claimed that he awoke the next morning to find Stephen lying beneath him. him on the bed with his chest crushed in and black and blue with bruises. Blood was also trickling from Stephen's mouth, and Dahmer's fist and one forearm were extensively bruised. Jeffrey Dahmer said he had no recollection of the murder. In a panic, he purchased a large suitcase and moved Stephen's body to his grandmother's basement. Then he dismembered the corpse and masturbated on it. On January 16, 1988, Dahmer lured 14-year-old Jamie Doxtator to his
Starting point is 00:16:56 his grandmother's house. He drugged Jamie and then strangled him. Domer removed the flesh from the boy's bones with acid and pulverized the remains. He then scattered the remains in the same location as Stephen Tuamese. Domer's next victim was 23-year-old Richard Guerrero, who he met outside of a gay bar. He lured Richard to his grandmother's home with the promise of money for sex. Once at the house, Dahmer laced Richard's drink with sleeping pills and strangled him with a leather strap. Afterward, he performed oral sex on the corpse before dismembering it and pulverizing the remains. In September 1988, Jeffrey Dahmer was charged with drugging and molesting a 13-year-old boy, who he lured to his grandmother's house with the promise of $50 for some nude photographs.
Starting point is 00:17:51 He served the boy coffee, laced with lorazepam, a powerful anti-anxiety drug that can knock someone out with a high enough dose as he awaited sentencing for his sexual assault case. Dahmer committed another murder at his grandmother's home on March 25, 1989. He lured 26-year-old Anthony Lee Sears to the house and then drugged, strangled, sodomized, and phoomized and phoenix. photographed Anthony. After Dahmer killed Anthony, he dismembered his corpse. He cut off his head and genitals to keep as trophies. Dommer's trial on the sexual assault took place in May 1989. He pleaded guilty and claimed that the boy had appeared much older. In court, he showed regret for his crime and argued eloquently in his defense. Dommer told the judge he had seen the error of his ways and that his arrest was a turning point in his life.
Starting point is 00:18:52 His defense attorney also expressed to the judge that what Dahmer needed was treatment, not incarceration, and the judge agreed. Dommer received the one-year sentence on day release, which allowed him to work during the day and returned to prison at night. He also received five years... In the suburbs of D.C., a woman fails to show up for work and is found brutally murdered. I wonder which emergency. We just walked in the door, and there's...
Starting point is 00:19:18 blood in the foyer. For the next two decades, the case remained unsolved until new technology allowed investigators to do what had once been impossible. A new series from ABC Audio in 2020, Blood and Water. Listen now, wherever you get your podcasts. Probation. So again, something else that really ticks me off. I mean, we are talking about drugging and sexually malice.
Starting point is 00:19:48 lasting a 13-year-old boy and you're going to get what is essentially kind of like house arrest and still be allowed out during the day to go work? I don't get it, man. Yeah, I wouldn't want this guy walking around in my neighborhood knowing what he did to that boy. On May 14th, 1990, Dahmer moved out of his grandmother's home and into a cheap one-bedroom apartment at 925, North 25th Street. It's here. In apartment 213 at the Oxford apartment complex where Jeffrey Dahmer would commit 13 more murders
Starting point is 00:20:28 before he was ultimately taken down. And just six days after he moved in. Dahmer lured a 33-year-old sex worker named Raymond Lamont Smith, also known as Ricky Beeks, to his new apartment with the
Starting point is 00:20:45 promise of $50 for sex. Dahmer strangled Raymond and then performed oral sex on the corpse. He dismembered the body and removed the head. And for whatever morbid reason, Dahmer painted this man's skull gray and placed it in his refrigerator. So now you have Jeffrey Dahmer. He's in this apartment by himself. He has a place all to himself, no family members, to enter.
Starting point is 00:21:17 fear with him fulfilling his horrific fantasies. And more of one thing I think that is safe to say. The things that he would do inside this apartment, they're nothing short of appalling. 27-year-old Eddie Smith was last seen on June 14, 1990, with Jeffrey Dahmer. Friends of Smith saw the two men together at various Milwaukee clubs. Dahmer lured Eddie to his apartment, where he drugged, strangled, and dismembered the 27-year-old. He placed the remains in acid to dissolve them. Smith's remains were never found, and police believed that they were totally destroyed. 22-year-old Ernest Miller had struggled in life,
Starting point is 00:22:01 but he'd just gotten his life together. Not long before he became another of Dahmer's victims. On Labor Day, 1990, Ernest, who lived in Chicago, traveled to Milwaukee for a family get-together, which he attended. Sometime after that get together, Ernest met Dahmer on the street in a small business district in Milwaukee. Dommer offered him $50 to go back to his apartment with him and Ernest agreed. Once at the apartment, Ernest allowed Dahmer to listen to his stomach and his heart. Dahmer attempted to perform oral sex on him, but Ernest told him that that would cost extra. So Dahmer slipped Ernest a couple of sleeping pills and a drink and then slit his throat. And this was something Dahmer had done before.
Starting point is 00:22:57 Now, typically he used more than two tablets when he slipped them into one of his victim's drinks. But this time he only had two pills. So this smaller dose did not entirely knock Ernest out. And that's why Dahmer cut his throat. he was afraid that Ernest was going to fight back. The man bled to death within minutes. Dahmer then posed his nude body in numerous provocative positions and he took a bunch of photographs. After that, he dismembered the body in the bathtub.
Starting point is 00:23:35 But while he was dismembering the body, he spoke to the corpse and apparently repeatedly kissed the head. Dahmer wrapped the biceps, the heart and parts of Ernest Miller's legs and plastic bags and placed them in his refrigerator for later consumption. Dahmer removed the flesh with acid, bleached the skeleton, and kept it in his wardrobe. So Morp, let's talk about later consumption, right? We've already said, Dahmer was given the nickname the Milwaukee Cannibal. people know why he ate parts of many of his victims i mean this was something that he later admitted to in police interviews it's part of what caused such a media frenzy right bad enough the murders
Starting point is 00:24:32 and you know some of the other things that he did that we'll talk about but to find out that he's a he was a cannibal. You know, when you splash that across the front page of the newspaper, you're going to get people's attention. Yeah, cannibalism is such a taboo subject, even in cases where people have resorted to cannibalism to survive and stay alive. It gets met with mixed feelings or some kind of disgust. So when he did this to people that he murdered, it seems like it was just especially over the top and overly shocking. The families of Eddie Smith and Ernest Miller said they received strange phone calls after they reported their loved ones missing.
Starting point is 00:25:18 Carolyn Smith, Eddie Smith's sister, said she received the call on April 1991 from a male who sounded like he was a Caucasian. He said, don't bother looking for your brother. He's dead. Corrine Miller, the grandmother of Ernest Miller, said she received the phone call from someone moaning and groaning. and speaking in a faint voice, saying help, help, help. The call came within two weeks after the family reported Miller missing.
Starting point is 00:25:47 After Dahmer's eventual arrest, he never admitted whether he made these phone calls or not. 23rd, David Thomas, was last seen on September 23rd, 1990 in Milwaukee. He last spoke with his family in August. They reported him missing on September 24. David did not have a permanent address, but he had lived off and on with a girlfriend for several years. Jeffrey Dahmer met David at the Grand Avenue Mall and lured him back to his apartment where he laced David's drink with sleeping pills. He murdered David and then disposed of his remains in the same manner as he had done with Ernest Miller. Dahmer took several photographs of David in his drugged state and later said.
Starting point is 00:26:35 that he was not attracted to him, but was afraid to allow him to wake up for fear that David would be angry for drugging him. So Dahmer strangled and dismembered him, but he didn't keep any of the body parts. David's remains were never found. He left behind a three-year-old daughter. Several months later, Jeffrey Dahmer met 17-year-old Curtis Strotter and lowered him to his apartment with the promise of money for nude photos, but with the added incentive of sex. Dahmer drugged Curtis, then strangled him with a leather strap. After he dismembered his victim,
Starting point is 00:27:15 Dahmer crushed the bones, but retained the skull. He disposed of the bones and the garbage. Dahmer took pictures of the dismemberment process. Dahmer had a nearly two-month break between murders. The next one occurred on April 7, 1991. And this is when, Dahmer took his killings to an entirely different level. He lured his victim, 19-year-old Errol Lindsay, with the usual offer of money to pose for nude photographs.
Starting point is 00:27:46 Once Errol was inside apartment 213, Jeffrey Dahmer drugged him, but instead of strangling him right away, he did something completely different. Dahmer drilled a hole in Errol's skull and poured muriatic acid inside it. He did this with the hopes of putting Errol in a state that would make him permanently submissive and unresponsive, almost zombie-like. He wanted to keep Errol as a sex slave. But incredibly, Lindsay woke up complaining of a headache and he asked Dahmer for the time. And this shocked Jeffrey Dahmer. And I think he was frightened.
Starting point is 00:28:32 And he immediately strangled the man and dismembered his body. But Dahmer kept his head. He attempted to keep some of his skin, but said that he later had to dispose of it because it became too brittle. 31-year-old Anthony Hughes was deaf and mute. And it just started a job in a Madison condom plant. He was described as a party person who loved the dance. He had known Jeffrey Dahmer since October 1989 when they met at a party in Milwaukee. On the night of May 24, 1991, Tony was last seen at Club 219, a Milwaukee gay bar.
Starting point is 00:29:10 Friends of Tonys who were also there that night said he left the bar with Jeffrey Dahmer, who had approached Tony at the club with a written request, asking him to pose nude. Tony agreed and the two left. Once inside Dahmer's apartment, Tony was drugged and strangled. After murdering him, Dahmer left the corpse lying around his apartment for over two days before he dismembered it. He dissolved the body in acid but kept the skull. The next murder that Jeffrey Dahmer committed enraged the entire community after all of the details became public because it turned out that it was entirely preventable. Just after midnight on May 27, 1991, 18-year-old Sandra Smith and her 7th, Sandra Smith and her second,
Starting point is 00:29:56 17-year-old cousin Nicole Childress, witnessed 14-year-old Conorac synthesum phone running naked, bleeding, and disoriented into the street with Jeffrey Dahmer in hot pursuit. Sondra recognized Dahmer as a resident of the neighborhood. The two women saw Dahmer attempting to lure Conorak back into his apartment. Sondra intervened and told Dahmer to leave the boy alone in that Nicole had gone to call the police. Dahmer told Sondra there was no need for the police and that the young boy was his friend, Jim. Okay, hi.
Starting point is 00:30:36 This dog, I'm on 25th State, and this is a young man. He is blood-necked. He has been beaten up. He's very bruised up. He can't stand. He's 30 falling out. He has his butt-knit. He has no clothes on.
Starting point is 00:30:47 He was really hurt. And I, you know, I ain't got no court on him. I just seen him. And he needs to help him. Where is he at? On 25th of state, the corner of 25th of state. Three Milwaukee police officers arrived in response to the call. They told Sandra and Nicole not to interfere.
Starting point is 00:31:03 Dahmer had lied to the officers and said the boy who was chasing was 19 years old, drunk, and was his lover. And Dahmer said he could prove it because he had taken nude pictures of the boy. The three officers walked to Dahmer's apartment, where he presented them with a photograph of Conorak, handcuffed to the bed only in his underwear. The officers dismissed the incident as a lover's quarrel. they left Conorak with Dahmer, despite the protest of witnesses Sandra Smith and Nicole Children's.
Starting point is 00:31:32 Sadly, as soon as the officers left, Dahmer strangled and dismembered this boy and stored his remains in acid before Conorak had attempted to escape Dahmer's clutches. Dahmer had drugged him and drilled a hole in his head. He then poured muriatic acid inside the hole, basically the same procedure. he had performed on Errol Lindsay, and this is why the boy appeared dazed and bleeding as he ran from Dahmer out into the street. The three officers who left Conorak with Dahmer denied any wrongdoing and stated they were not racist or homophobic. As many in the community accused them of being, once all these details came out, the officers were suspended in late July 1991
Starting point is 00:32:24 after Dahmer's arrest for failing to write a formal report on the encounter or to run Dommer's name through the police computer, which would have revealed the prior child molestation conviction. And more, this is one of the things in this case that, you know, I have failed to understand for years. The police got to look at this 14 year old kid. could they not tell that he had a hole drilled into his head? I just,
Starting point is 00:32:59 I don't understand what type of investigation they did other than looking at a picture of him handcuffed to the bed and saying, oh, yep, you guys must be lovers. This is a lover's quarrel. We're out. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:33:16 it's, it's really disturbing that they wouldn't take the time to look at his injuries a little bit closer. As soon as they would have seen a hole in his head, I think that would have put the breaks on things and they would have spent a little bit more time there, but it just seems like they just brushed it off and didn't put a lot of time into looking closer at the situation. But this is what outraged a lot of people, is that, you know, they looked at it as the police missed an opportunity to save lives. Not only could they have saved. Conorax's life, but they could have prevented others from later losing their lives,
Starting point is 00:33:56 you can hear some of that outrage in this portion of a press conference held by the Milwaukee chief of police at the time Dahmer was arrested. There will be three officers that will be placed on suspension from duty pending the outcome of the investigation. I have not come to any conclusion without the benefit of that. investigation. Their relief from duty simply is to provide us an opportunity to investigate this matter in an objective and impartial manner. Have they told you their version of what happened? Let me just indicate for all of you that I will not answer any other questions relative to that inquiry simply
Starting point is 00:34:40 because it is ongoing. They will be suspended with pay as provided by the statutes of the state of Wisconsin. Chief, the witness made it a very strong remark that had she not been black, those officers would listen to her instead of taking the other story. Similarly, we've had people in the homosexual community say that this was a case in which, because of the connotations and the perceptions of the officers, they simply wrote it off. Are you concerned about, A, the sensitivity of police officers to the racial issue here and to the problems with dealing with homosexual aspects of behavior and conduct? But let me just say that obviously those comments may be speculative at best.
Starting point is 00:35:26 However, I am deeply concerned about any perception that any citizen or the community may have regarding the sensitivity of the Milwaukee Police Department. And it is a matter that we are seriously looking into. Well, Chief, how do you feel about the fact that seemingly Domner slipped through your fingers back in May and that his ensuing victims would be alive today, possibly if those officers had him. investigated. I wish I could put that feeling into words for you today. Could you try?
Starting point is 00:35:55 No, I cannot. Chief, we have information that on at least two other occasions in the past three years, Milwaukee police have had contact with Dahmer, and in one of those cases was actually in his apartment to take a police report. How could it be that they didn't notice anything wrong, given what she said yesterday, that it would be impossible for somebody to enter that apartment and not really that there was a problem. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:36:23 Do you think that your officers relax in searching or not following up on indications? They're trained people. People are trained to notice problems are supposed to. I cannot answer that. Can you take a more general question?
Starting point is 00:36:39 What role can a police department play in preventing murders, particularly this kind of murder? If I knew that answer, if I knew that answer, I probably would be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. Homicides, as you all realize, are often the most unpreventable, unpredictable crime that we have to deal with.
Starting point is 00:36:59 Obviously, there have been many research efforts, the domestic violence research efforts, and other efforts in which predictable behavior can be defined and somehow predicted. I have no ready answers for your question. The officers who were in the apartment at that time indicated that there was a funny smell in there. Should that have tipped them off to something else? Do you feel that maybe the officers, and maybe even more than one occasion, have not been following through you? I can't answer that.
Starting point is 00:37:30 It's overly speculative. We could speculate on what if for the rest of the afternoon. It would serve no good purpose. It turns out that the victim in the 1988 sexual assault case that Dahmer was guilty of was Conorak's brother. Domer wasn't aware of this. Conorak's family said they never saw Dahmer's face, so they wouldn't have recognized him.
Starting point is 00:37:50 The three police officers were eventually fired from the Milwaukee Police Department, but in 1994 after winning an appeal, the department hired them back. If the officers had arrested Dahmer, they would have prevented four more murders and one attempted murder. 20-year-old Matt Turner waited tables at Chicago-style pizza and eatery at 120 South Michigan Avenue in Chicago. He had a sparkling personality, and he loved to sing. Customers at the restaurant loved him and often praised him to the owner. On June 30th, 1991, Matt was lured to Dahmer's apartment, drugged, strangled, and dismembered. His body parts were left lying around Jeffrey's apartment.
Starting point is 00:38:38 Nearly a week later on July 5th, Jeremiah Weinberger, who was 23 years old, became Dahmer's next victim. Jeremiah worked as a customer service representative at Images of the World. the video sales department of the Biju, an adult theater in Chicago. Jeremy met Dahmer at a gay bar called Carol's Speak Easy on Wells Street. The assistant manager, Tim Gideon, who was also Jeremiah's former roommate, later confirmed the account.
Starting point is 00:39:06 He had chatted with both of the men and said there was nothing unusual about the encounter. Dahmer offered Jeremy money to pose nude and watch some videos. According to a 1991 Chicago Tribune, article. Dahmer later told police that Jeremy stayed at his apartment for two days. The first day, they had sex, but the next day, Jeremy wanted to go home. Dommer slipped sleeping pills into his drink, and when he was unconscious, Dahmer took photographs of Jeremy. Then he drilled a hole into his head. But this time, instead of pouring muriatic acid inside, Dahmer twice injected boiling water into Jeremy's head, which sent him into a coma.
Starting point is 00:39:54 Dahmer took more photographs during the dismemberment process and kept Jeremy's head in the freezer and his body in a 57-gallon drum. Of all Jeffrey Dahmer's victims, Oliver Lacey is probably the one who didn't fit Dommer's typical victim profile. According to Oliver's family, he was heterosexual and never attended gay bars. Oliver was a track star in high school and ran the 100-meter dash in under 11 seconds several times during his senior year. He placed fourth in the 100-meter dash in the Illinois State High School finals in 1987. Oliver, who was 23 years old, moved to Milwaukee from Chicago to be with his fiancé, Rose Cologne, who was also 23, and their two-year-old child, Emmanuel.
Starting point is 00:40:41 Rose and the child lived with Oliver's aunt and mother, Catherine Cologne, and her duplex on Milwaukee's west side when Oliver moved in. Oliver was a handsome young man whose family believed he should have been a model. Later, they were confused about how a cold-blooded killer was able to lure Oliver away because he wasn't the type so easily influenced by another person. Oliver was last seen on July 15, 1991, at the Grand Avenue Mall in downtown Milwaukee. he had gone to the mall with a friend around 6 p.m. Dommer approached him and invited him to his apartment to do some modeling. Once there, the men removed their clothes and gave each other body rubs. Dommer then gave Oliver a drink, laced with sleeping pills. When Oliver passed out, Dahmer strangled him and then had anal sex with his corpse. He dismembered the body, placed the head in the bottom of, the refrigerator in a box and kept Oliver's heart in the freezer to eat later on. 25-year-old Joseph Braidhoff was originally from Greenville, Illinois, a small town roughly
Starting point is 00:41:55 50 miles east of St. Louis. He had moved to Milwaukee in 1989. On July 19, 1991, Dahmer offered him money to pose nude, then drugged and strangled him. He dismembered the body but kept the head and torso in his apartment. The last victim of Jeffrey Dahmer was able to get away and was the person who helped take down the serial killer. On July 22nd, 1991, 32-year-old Tracy Edwards was lured to Jeffrey Dahmer's apartment and given a laced cocktail to drink. Dahmer tried making sexual advances towards Tracy.
Starting point is 00:42:36 As Tracy started to struggle, Domer slipped handcuffs onto his right arm. But as Domer went for a knife, Tracy ran for the door. Domer tried to pull him back inside, but Tracy managed to punch Domer hard on the side of his head, knocking him to the floor. At 11 p.m., Tracy escaped and ran outside into the street, where he flagged down a police car at the corner of North 25th Street. Two Milwaukee police officers got out of the vehicle and,
Starting point is 00:43:08 Tracy told them that a, quote, weird dude had placed the handcuffs on him and asked him if they could remove them. But the officer's handcuff keys didn't fit. So Tracy agreed to accompany them to apartment 213 so that the officers could get to the bottom of what was going on. Once the officers got there, Dahmer admitted to them that he had put the handcuffs on Tracy Edwards, but offered no reason for doing it. Then Tracy told the cops that Dahmer had also threatened him with a law. large knife in the bedroom. Dahmer remained silent but told the officers that the key to the handcuffs was in the bedside dresser.
Starting point is 00:43:45 As one of the officers entered the bedroom, Dahmer attempted to pass by him to retrieve the key himself, but the officer told Dahmer to back off. One of the officers noticed Polaroid photographs of dismembered bodies lying around, and immediately, the officers subdued Jeffrey Dahmer. They called for backup because they knew that the apartment they were standing in was going to require some help the search. Searches of apartment 213, revealed one head in a box on the bottom shelf in the refrigerator,
Starting point is 00:44:17 two heads and garbage bags in the freezer, and a filing cabinet containing three skulls. They found some jars that contained genitalia and an extensive gallery of ghastly Polaroid pictures of Dahmer's victims in different stages of undress and dismemberment. The apartment had a strong and unpleasant odor. Investigators pulled boxes and barrels of evidence and remains from the apartment wearing hazmat-type suits to do it. Medical examiner Jeffrey Jensen was called into a cyst and found prescriptions for laurasopam and chloroform in the apartment,
Starting point is 00:44:58 which Dom are used to knock out his victims. Police remove bottles of chloroform formaldehyde and ethyl alcohol along with electric tools. authorities found hands and bones and computer boxes and two torsas in a 57-gallon plastic drum. According to Jensen's report, there was no food in the apartment, only condiments, but pots and pans were dirty and had congealed material on them. News of Dahmer's arrest and the gruesome details of what investigators found in his apartment gave new meaning to the phrase House of Horrors, the truth about what Dahmer had done came out. And Dahmer was called by many the Milwaukee cannibal. Jeffrey Dahmer eventually confessed to killing 17 men in Ohio and Wisconsin,
Starting point is 00:45:48 but was only tried for 15 murders. His trial began in January 1992 and strict security precautions were taken mostly because of racial tensions, stemming from the fact that most of the fact that most of the United States, Dahmer's victims were black. An eight-foot barrier of bulletproof glass separated Dahmer from the public. Despite his confession to the killings, Dahmer initially pleaded not guilty. He ultimately changes his plea to guilty by reason of insanity. His defense lawyer stated that his gruesome crimes proved he was insane because a sane person was not capable of such atrocities. The prosecution
Starting point is 00:46:29 argued that Dahmer was fully aware of his acts and chose to at them anyway. Dr. George Palermo, a forensic psychiatrist, testified that Dahmer was not insane, but was instead a, quote, organized non-social lust murderer who was methodical, calculating, and entirely in control of his actions. The jury deliberated for 10 hours on February 15, 1992, before finding Jeffrey Dahmer guilty on all accounts. He was ultimately sentenced to 15 consecutive life terms in prison, with a 16th term added in May 1992. He was incarcerated at a Columbia Correctional Institution in Portage, Wisconsin. At trial, family members of Dahmer's victims came forward to confront him and give impact
Starting point is 00:47:16 statements. Their statements ran the gamut from almost forgiving to downright angry. My name is Shirley Hughes and I'm Tony Anthony Hughes' mother. I would like to say to Jeffrey Dahmer that he don't know. the pain, the hurt, the loss, and the mental state that he had put our family in. Two fingers and one thumb means I love you in sign language. My son was deaf. My name is Dorothy Stratter.
Starting point is 00:47:47 I'm Curtis Stratter's mother. Just a few things that I would like to say. You took my 17-year-old son away from me. I'll never get a chance to tell him that I loved him. I'd have a chance to tell him that I loved him the last time I saw him, which will be a year tomorrow. You took my mother's oldest grandchild from her. And for that, I can never forgive you.
Starting point is 00:48:06 My name is Inez Thomas, and I'm the mother of David Thomas. You know, I don't understand how a person could really harm a person and to say that, well, I did this because he wasn't my type. Well, if everybody go around doing something, somebody because they're tight, this will be a sad world today. And I just feel that this man should never be able to walk the face of earth or to be able to harm anyone else again. Good morning, honor. My name is Donald Radolph. For the Bradha's family, my mother gave five beautiful kids.
Starting point is 00:48:49 We lost. He destroyed the baby of the family. And I hope you go to hell. I love this world. guys did a wonderful job bottom of my heart thank you god i've got a lot of strength thank you all god bless america my name is rita inspell and i'm the oldest sister of errolindsay jeff whatever your name is satan i'm mad this is how you act when you are out of control i don't want to ever see my mother have to go through this again never geoffrey jeffrey you motherfucker i hate you motherfucker After his arrest, Hollywood Florida authorities looked into Dahmer as a possible suspect in the 1981 murder of six-year-old Adam Walsh, whose father John Walsh, later became a victim's rights advocate and host of America's most wanted. It was John, who had urged police to investigate Dahmer.
Starting point is 00:50:09 Dahmer had lived about 20 miles away in the Miami area at the time of Adam's murder, but denied killing the little boy. In 2008, Florida investigators announced serial killer Otis Toul as Adam's killer and said that Toul confessed in 1983 to killing Adam Walsh and 100 other people. But Toul gave contradictory statements regarding Adam's murder and he usually committed crimes with his partner, Henry Lucas. Officially, the Florida authorities had no evidence, including DNA to prove Tool had killed Adam. And I think more if any time you talk about Otis Tool, Henry Lee Lucas, and their confessions, you know, you really have to take a hard look at them.
Starting point is 00:50:59 Because they've confessed, especially Lucas, they've confessed to a lot of different things. Many of those things have been proven to not be possible. So, you know, those are two in particular. that I look at and say, I don't know if I trust anything that, that ever came out of their mouths. Yeah. And I can't tell you how many episodes we've done where their names have come up. It's, it's that much that they admit to.
Starting point is 00:51:26 And especially Lucas, right? Because he has confessed to what, hundreds and hundreds of different murders. But I think for him, you know, some of that was a game and in an effort to get out of prison and go on some trips. And, I mean, it is what it is. The Miami Herald investigated Adam Walsh's murder to see if it was at all possible that Jeffrey Dahmer could have killed him. And they reported in 2010 that there were, quote, two additional witnesses who said they saw Jeffrey Dahmer at the mall with Adam that day.
Starting point is 00:52:00 There was another who placed Dommer at the scene of an early similar abduction attempt, 10-year-old Terry Keaton just two weeks earlier. And there were people who said that Jeffrey Dahmer had access to a van fitting a possible description of the getaway vehicle in that case. These witnesses recognized Dahmer as soon as they saw his face on the news. His macabre killings made international and national headlines. Despite these witness accounts, Hollywood authorities remained confident that Otis Tool was Adam's killer,
Starting point is 00:52:30 and they closed the case. Otis Tool died in prison in 1996. So Dahmer was sent off to prison, and he adjusted to prison life reasonably well. initially he was kept from the general population for fear that inmates would harm him. He later, though, convinced prison authorities to allow him to integrate more fully with the other inmates. Dahmer claimed that he found religion through books and pictures sent to him by his father, Lionel. And the Columbia Correctional Institution permitted him to be baptized by a local pastor.
Starting point is 00:53:08 On November 28, 1994, Jeffrey Dahmer and inmates Jesse Anderson and Christopher Scarver were assigned to clean prison bathrooms. They were unshackled and left unattended. After they had been left on their own to complete their jobs, the prison guards returned and discovered that Scarver had brutally beaten both men with a metal bar from the prison wait room. Jeffrey Dahmer was pronounced dead about an hour after the incident took place. In a 2015 interview with the New York Post, Scarver said that he went to retrieve a mop when he felt someone poking his back. He turned around and he saw Anderson and Dahmer laughing under their breath. He couldn't determine which of the men had poked him, but Scarver followed Dahmer to the locker room. After the three men split up, he had kept a newspaper
Starting point is 00:54:03 clipping detailing Dahmer's killings and said, that he had been disgusted by them. He asked Jeffrey if he had done these atrocious things, described in the story. Cornered, Dommer tried to escape, but Scarver grabbed the metal bar and struck him with it, crushing Dommer's skull. Scarver then found Jesse Anderson and did the same thing to him. Scarver pleaded insanity, but later changed it to no contest in exchange for a transfer to federal prison. he was sentenced to two life terms in addition to the one he was already serving.
Starting point is 00:54:39 He's currently incarcerated at Centennial Correctional Facility in Cannon City, Colorado. So, Morph, here's one thing that I think about. You're serving a life sentence already. I don't know if this guy had any eligibility for parole or not, but let's say he didn't. He got two more life sentences. Okay, he got sent to federal prison. But what did he really get? I mean, he was probably already going to serve the rest of his life in prison anyway.
Starting point is 00:55:09 I don't know. I just kind of think about that as like, what's the deterrent for some of these individuals with a life sentence not to do something bad? To me, there really isn't one unless they have some eligibility for parole. Yeah, if you're already going to die in prison, what's the difference? And a lot of these guys, it's like a badge of honor to take out. someone so notorious like a Jeffrey Dahmer. Yeah, I mean, how can you get more prison cred than that, right? Taking out the infamous Jeffrey Dahmer.
Starting point is 00:55:45 In August 2012, Dahmer's childhood home in Bath, Ohio was on the market, but no one bought it. In the spring of 2016, the owner, Chris Butler, rented the home for $8,000 for the week of the Republican National Convention. in 2017, the movie My Friend Dahmer was partially filmed in the home. As of the time of this airing, the house is not for sale or rent. To feed the public's desire to know more about Dahmer, there have been a number of books and movies made about him, including the Shrine of Jeffrey Dahmer, written by Brian Masters,
Starting point is 00:56:26 which was published in 1993, and My Friend Dahmer, which depicts Dahmer's childhood before he became the notorious Milwaukee cannibal. It seems like over a quarter century since Jeffrey Dahmer's shocking crimes were revealed to the world, people still continue to be intrigued by the fact that, you know, this one meek, mild-mannered man could be such a monster. And it seems as if Jeffrey Dahmer himself couldn't really understand why he did the things he did. As he explains in this clip of an interview he did in 1993 with Inside Edition. I had these obsessive desires and thoughts wanting to control them to, I don't know how to put it, possess them permanently.
Starting point is 00:57:23 And that's why you killed them. Right, right. Not because I was angry with them, not because I hated them, but because I wanted to keep them with me. So Morf, as we wrap up this case on Jeffrey Dahmer, as with all serial killers, there is something that is driving them. There's a compulsion. There's something, you know, deep inside that says they need to do this. And it gives them something.
Starting point is 00:57:52 I think for different people, it gives them something different, sexual gratification. But it satisfies some type of need or urge. But I do think it's somewhat different for different serial killers. I think Dahmer's is different from almost anybody that I've really come across. You know, this, and he talked about it, this desire to try to keep someone with him. You know, I don't know if there's been anybody else, at least that we've profiled, that has had that same type of urge or, desire. Yeah, I go back to his child. Again, he had a pretty normal upbringing. Obviously, his parents' marriage failed, but there was no evidence that they abused him or did anything shocking.
Starting point is 00:58:48 He didn't experience anything tragic when he was young. So all these things that we sometimes see in other cases of these kind of killers, there's something there, something to say, aha, maybe that had something to do with it. But we don't really see that. and it makes you wonder where did this desire come from, what caused it? It seems like he knew that he had it, but I don't think he could ever explain where it came from or why it was there. It was just there. And, you know, maybe other people have things like that and they never act out on them.
Starting point is 00:59:24 But obviously he did in very horrific ways. This guy was a monster. And it's the reason why. he's such an infamous serial killer. Thanks goos out to Debbie Buck at TruecrimeDiva.com for writing and research assistance in this episode. If you haven't done so yet, take a minute. Go out, give us a five-star rating. You can leave a review if you want. But keep telling your friends. You have friends that are into true crime. If they're not currently listening to criminology, set them up. Tell them about it. Put it on their phone. Get them into it.
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