Criminology - Martha Leanne Green

Episode Date: August 31, 2025

On April 15th, 1987, seventeen-year-old Martha Leanne Green, who usually went by Leanne, vanished from White Bluff, TN.  At the time, she and her twin brother, Lawson, were on their way home when the...y ran out of gas. Join Mike and Morf as they discuss the disappearance of Leanne Green. A family stopped by and took Lawson to get some gas, but, for some reason, Leanne wanted to stay in the car. When Lawson got back to the car with the gas, Leanne was gone.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 In the suburbs of D.C., a woman fails to show up for work and is found brutally murdered. I wonder what's emergency? We just walked in the door and there's blood in the foyer. For the next two decades, the case remained unsolved until new technology allowed investigators to do what had once been impossible. A new series from ABC Audio in 2020, blood and water. Listen now, wherever you get your podcasts. Criminology is a true crime podcast that may contain discussion about violent or disturbing topics. Listener discretion is advised.
Starting point is 00:00:36 So, So everyone and welcome to episode 374 of the criminology podcast. This is Mike Ferguson. And this is Mike Morford. Morph, how you doing this week, buddy? I'm doing pretty good. How you doing? I'm doing great.
Starting point is 00:01:20 My family and I, we actually, we bought a wave runner. I traded in my bass boat because I wasn't using. it. I wasn't going out fishing and got a wave runner. And we all took it to the lake this past weekend and just had a ton of fun, man. I've never actually even ridden or driven a wave runner. And people were giggling, shouting, laughing. They're a lot of fun. But they're a lot faster than you think they are. They shoot out like a rocket. Well, you better be careful because you're not as young as used to be. So you can pull some hips and things probably riding those too rough. Man, a truer thing you have never said. I'm not as young as I used to be.
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Starting point is 00:02:19 please head over to patreon.com slash criminology to get started. So before we get started, we just wanted to remind everyone one last time that will be on podcast row at CrimeCon Denver next weekend September 5th through the 7th. Well, at least Morph will be, unfortunately, like I've said, I won't be able to attend. Ghibie will be there as well. Yeah, if you're at CrimeCon, please stop by and say hi. And like Mike just said, he won't be there, unfortunately.
Starting point is 00:02:49 But I'll be hanging out next to everybody's favorite Gibby. So, you know, he's obviously the co-host from T-Cat. and we'll be having our annual joint criminology T-Cat meetup Saturday night, September 6 at 9 p.m. That's in the Mountain Pass Sports Bar, so I hope to see a lot of you there. All right, Morph, so we have all of that out of the way. Let's get into this week's case. You know, over the past two episodes, we did a deep dive on the case of Amy Bradley, who vanished in 1998, and her case has gotten a bunch of publicity,
Starting point is 00:03:21 thanks to the new Netflix documentary. This week, we're covering the case of a 17-year-old named Martha Leanne Green, who vanished in 1987. By contrast, her case got very little attention, but it's every bit as mysterious. On April 15, 1987, 17-year-old Martha Leanne Green, who usually went by Leanne, vanished from White Bluff, Tennessee. At the time, she and her twin brother, Lawson,
Starting point is 00:03:50 were both juniors at Dixon County High School, and they were looking forward to attending the prom. As twins, they were both the babies of the family, and they were very close. They had two older sisters, Lisa and Lori. Like many teenagers at the time, Leanne had an after-school job to have some extra spending money. She was working part-time as a hostess of the restaurant inside the Holiday Inn
Starting point is 00:04:12 off of Highway 46 near Interstate 40 in Dixon. Just after 9 p.m., on the night of Wednesday, April 15th, Leanne's brother Lawson picked her up after her shift ended. He was driving their cousin's gray 1979 money car loan, which he had just borrowed so that he could drive them all to their prom the next night. Just like a last minute dress rehearsal, this would be a little preview of what they could expect as they drove to their prom. It was a quick trip too, about 20 minutes each way. But after driving north up Highway 46 for just under a mile, Lawson had to pull the car over because they had run out of gas.
Starting point is 00:04:55 They were stopped at the corner of Highway 46 and Fabric Road, near the railroad tracks, and a store called the barn. It was raining pretty heavily at the time. Luckily, they weren't the only ones on the highway that night. The Pucket family were headed home from church when they saw Leanne and Lawson stopped with their hazard lights flashing and stopped to offer them some help. And right off the bat, more of the first thing that jumped out at me was the Monte Carlo. You know, back in the day, it was kind of a sought after vehicle.
Starting point is 00:05:31 I think especially if you were a teenager, you know, it was a pretty cool Chevrolet car. And obviously they had different models when you get into like the SS. but, you know, a lot of people, you know, like the Monte Carlo. They like to soup them up. Yeah, I remember those being pretty sporty. And I know they had like an SS version and some, you know, really sharp looking ones. And a couple friends of mine had them. And, you know, we always thought they were pretty cool looking.
Starting point is 00:06:01 And I wouldn't mind driving one of them back in the 80s if I was. I had a beater Chevy Impala that cost me like $200 to buy. So this probably would have been a step up for me. Well, I remember, you know, being like 16, 17 years old. The first car was obviously a huge thing, but you always had like car envy because other people, maybe your friends or you just saw cars, right? And you're like, well, I'm driving this kind of crappy car for the lack of a better word. I'd love to have that.
Starting point is 00:06:37 Mine back in the day was a Chevy, uh, a, I rock Camaro, like an 80, this is in the 80s. That's what I really wanted. Of course,
Starting point is 00:06:48 I never had one because I had no money. But I, you know, I wanted to talk about the running out of gas part too, because I remember a couple times being on E, crossing my fingers that I could make it the couple miles to the gas station and, and, and just throw in a couple gallons just to keep me going.
Starting point is 00:07:05 Knock out what, I never ran out of, gas, but I had friends that were constantly running out of gas. And every time I rode with them, I'd look over their gas gauge just to see if they had gas in there because it seemed like time and time again, they were running out of gas. Yeah, I mean, it's a scary scenario. Nobody wants to run out of gas. But when you're that young and you have very little money, you know, like you said,
Starting point is 00:07:31 a lot of times, you were putting a couple of dollars worth of. gas back then because that's all you had. Yeah, and I remember gas was like 69 cents for a gallon of regular back when I was that age. So, you know, a couple gallons would actually get you driving for a little while. According to more recent interviews with investigators and as mentioned on wkrn.com, one of the last things Leanne ever said to her brother Lawson was, I'm scared. She didn't say what of and Losson didn't ask. Instead, he told her to come with him and the Puckett family to get gas, but for whatever reason, she decided to stay behind. She just wanted the keys so that she could listen to the radio while she waited for him to get back.
Starting point is 00:08:15 The family drove Lawson to the Shell gas station that was just about a half mile down the road while Leanne waited with the car. The Puckett family was nice enough to drive him back to the car since it was dark, instead of him walking or trying to find another ride. Most reports say Lawson was away from his sister in the car for just 10 minutes, with some report saying it was as few as eight while others said it was up to 15. Whatever the case, it wasn't very long, eight to 15 minutes. But by the time loss and return with a gas can, Leanne was gone. So obviously this is where the mystery begins. But you know, the thing that stood
Starting point is 00:08:52 out to me, Morp, was Leanne telling her brother, she's scared. But then making the decision to stay with the car rather than go with him and the pocket family, it just seemed at odds with what she was saying, wanting to kind of be out there by herself. Now, maybe she just wanted to stay with the car. I don't know. Yeah, and unfortunately, she didn't elaborate on what she was afraid of. And Lawson, probably being in her to get gas, didn't ask. And maybe she meant she was afraid of going with a family full of strangers, maybe it was something else. But maybe if we had that answer, it would help us understand this case a little bit better. When Lawson first got back to the car, he didn't immediately notice that Leanne was gone because
Starting point is 00:09:41 the windows on the Monte Carlo had dark tent after the pockets dropped him off. He put the few gallons from the gas can into the tank and then walked to the driver's door to get in, completely not expecting to find the. car unoccupied. The driver's side door was locked. So Lawson knocked, but when Leanne didn't open the door for him, he walked around to her side of the car, the passenger side and opened it, and there was no sign of his sister. Although Leanne was not in the car, her purse and the keys to the car were still inside, sitting neatly on the front seat, but otherwise there was no sign of Leanne and no sign of a struggle. At around 10 p.m., Leanne was officially reported missing. At the time her brother
Starting point is 00:10:29 last saw her, Leanne was wearing faded blue jeans, a white long-sleeved sweatshirt, and a pair of white tennis shoes. Early on, Leanne's disappearance was suspected to involve foul play. In a 2021 news segment by WKRN, Cheatham County Sheriff Mike Breedlove said that by Monday, less than a week after Leanne vanished, the media was really generating it. We're really putting it out there because we know something's wrong. She has not just walked off there by herself. We're pretty sure it's a stranger abduction. Backing their theory up was the fact that Leanne was so excited about going to the prom the next day. Leanne had her pink prom dress and matching shoes laid out on her bed, waiting for her to look at it and try it on one more time before prom night. While some people
Starting point is 00:11:14 think that Leanne may have vanished voluntarily and left the prom dress out as part of a misdirection, Others pushed back on that theory, asking, how would Leanne know the car would run out of gas at that spot and then put some kind of plan into motion during the very short time her brother was gone? Leanne had to save up for the prom dress in the shoes with her own money, and she was very proud of the outfit and excited to wear it at prom. If she was going to run off and try to start a new life, she could have used that money for that instead of the new outfit for an event she knew she would never make it to. Not to mention, her purse was left behind. is something that comes up in every disappearance case. Did the person leave voluntarily? And I think every case is different, right?
Starting point is 00:12:00 You have to look at the circumstances, but in a lot of them. And I would include Leanne's case here as well. You know, there are things that point to the fact that it just doesn't make sense that the person banished on their own, right? In this case, Leanne has this prom that she's looking forward to. She saved up money to buy the dress.
Starting point is 00:12:28 And I think you made a really good point, Morph, which was, you know, how would she know that the car was going to run out of gas? How could she have planned for that? The only other argument someone could make is that she used that event,
Starting point is 00:12:45 that happening, to then put, put a plan in motion. But that would be very spur of the moment. Doesn't seem likely. Yeah, there's also no history of her running away or threatening to run away. By all accounts from her friends, she was in good spirits. And as we talked about, she's excited about that prom, has her dress ready to go.
Starting point is 00:13:09 Not the type of scene where someone's going to take off when they've got so much they're happy about going on. Yeah. I know you have to at least entertain the idea, but in most cases, it doesn't seem logical. And I think you'd have to put it in that category in this case as well. Searching the area around the car, investigators found a white sweater and a pair of jeans in a nearby field, but it was determined that they were items of men's clothing and did not belong to Leanne. they were deemed irrelevant to her disappearance. Unfortunately, early on, the crime scene in the car were never locked down.
Starting point is 00:13:54 Friends, family, and residents in the area, trying to find a clue trampled over any potential evidence on the ground and smudged prints as they looked through the Monte Carlo. On top of that, the car wasn't officially impounded or analyzed for evidence until the next day. After investigators had already instructed, Leanne's father to drive it home. Yeah, I think this is a case where this is maybe a small town police department not used to dealing with this kind of stuff and allowing people to search that car, get in and out of it. I'm sure these people just wanted to help. But in the process, you know, this car probably should have been preserved, taped off and not let anyone get in it.
Starting point is 00:14:39 And here are these people who are in it, checking it out. Dad's driving at home. And, you know, the police shouldn't have let that happen. Well, you know, obviously hindsight is 2020. I just wonder in some of these instances, did the police look at it and think that, well, this is not a crime scene. Like that's not the first thing that's going through their head. Right?
Starting point is 00:15:03 She just walked off. We're going to find her pretty quickly. But obviously later on, it's pretty easy to pick this one apart, right? and say, well, this should have happened, that should have happened. And if it had, then maybe clues or evidence could have been garnered. 19-year-old police officer Jeff Bledso had been the first to arrive and inspect the Monte Carlo. He told WSMV.com, I couldn't see any transfer of any touch where someone had touched the side of the car,
Starting point is 00:15:39 the windows, doors, or anything. The rain that night had left the car wet. but there were no areas that looked different than other parts of the car. It kind of looked like Leanne had just gotten out of the car and maybe walked off, but there were no footprints or any other clues to signal which direction she may have gone in. Bledsoe added, I could see no obvious signs of a struggle, and her belongings left in the car had me thinking she was expecting a return back to the car. So this guy was 19 years old, obviously pretty new to the force, right, at 19 years of age.
Starting point is 00:16:12 maybe that had something to do with, you know, how things went as well. But all of this has led to the question. If Leanne did get out of the car, why? She had mentioned she was going to stay in the car and listened to the radio until her brother got back. She had also mentioned being scared about something. So if she was scared, the car seems as if it would have provided her more safety or peace of mind.
Starting point is 00:16:41 And due to the rain that night, walking probably wouldn't have been ideal. Some people theorize that while waiting there, someone that Leanne knew happened to come along and she decided to leave with them. But would she just leave the car unattended with the keys in her purse inside and not wait for her brother? Or maybe even leave a note. All of this kind of seems unlikely. One possibility is that someone dangerous past the car and abducted Leanne. According to former Cheatham County Sheriff Mike Breedlove, there were three suspected serial murders or rapist driving on Highway 46 the night that Leanne disappeared.
Starting point is 00:17:21 Exactly how he knows that detail and that precise of a number isn't clear. But if it's true, it's pretty disturbing. There were 25,000 county residents at the time Leanne vanished. So to know that a combination of three rapists or serial killers were on the streets in that area in one night is frightening. One man who is suspected of several attacks on women that was confirmed to have been on Highway 46 that night was Robert McKinley Richards, who was 22 at the time Leanne vanished. Richards was kicked out of the training program for the Shelby County Sheriff's Emergency Services Team almost exactly one month after Leanne's disappearance. He hadn't taken the required examinations to graduate and become an actual member while he was training. And after he was kicked out of the program, the girl he was dating at the time was under the impression that he was a lieutenant employed by the sheriff's department.
Starting point is 00:18:21 She recalled that he had an entire uniform, including a hat and jacket that both had the sheriff's department logo on them. One of Richard's ex-girlfriends, Angie Moss, had some information. that could potentially point to his involvement in Leanne's disappearance if it's true. According to an article posted on WebSloose, Angie recalled that sometime in May or June, 1987, they were driving on Highway 46, less than a mile away from where Lawson and Leanne's car ran out of gas. And Richards started telling her about one of the greatest sexual experiences he ever had. He claimed that he had killed a 16-year-old girl with brown hair and brown eyes by stabbing her seven times during the act. While Leanne had green eyes, she often wore brown contacts, so she could still fit the description of the girl Richards claimed he stabbed the death, even though the age is one year off with Leanne being 17 when she went missing.
Starting point is 00:19:17 If Richard was telling the truth, maybe he simply guessed at Leanne's age. Such a strange thing, more, number one, to talk about what you're calling one of the greatest sexual experiences of your life. to your girlfriend. That right off the bat seems strange. And then obviously even more strange and disturbing is saying that it involved stabbing a 16-year-old girl. Yeah. That's a situation where your significant other starts telling you that you get up to
Starting point is 00:19:55 say to yourself, wait a minute, is this person joking? Why are they saying this? I don't know what Angie was thinking, but it's pretty disturbing what he was telling her. So if she wasn't creeped out by it, maybe she should have been. Well, Angie had more troubling things to say about Richards. According to her, he always had a pair of handcuffs with him, as well as a pistol and a long serrated knife. The handcuffs would certainly add to the appearance that Richards was a member of law enforcement and the pistol could definitely scare someone into complying without leaving any sign of a struggle.
Starting point is 00:20:30 Richards had a specific ruse. he would use to get to his victims. He used a blue light, similar to the lights on a police vehicle. One of his ex-girlfriends recalled being with him when he used the light to pull over two teenage boys driving at night. In the suburbs of D.C., a woman fails to show up for work and is found brutally murdered. I wonder what's emergency.
Starting point is 00:20:55 We just walked in the door and there's blood in the foyer. For the next two decades, the case remained unsolved until New York. technology allowed investigators to do what had once been impossible. A new series from ABC Audio in 2020, blood and water. Listen now, wherever you get your podcasts. Using the ruse of being a police officer might certainly get Leanne out of the car and talking to someone she didn't know. If someone pretending to be an officer looked apart, perhaps he may have convinced Leanne
Starting point is 00:21:27 to get into his car. But even in this police ruse scenario, the question still needs to be asked. why leave her purse behind? Is it possible that someone using that ruse said they just wanted to check her to see if she had any drugs or alcohol on her and she complied and got out of the vehicle expecting to be searched and instead was abducted? It seems feasible, but unfortunately there's just no clear evidence
Starting point is 00:21:49 that points to that scenario. On June 1st, 1987, Richards was pulled over in Germantown near Memphis after a young woman reported him to police for following her. At the time, he had a loaded 20-gauge shotgun and a Shelby County Sheriff's badge and hat. He received a misdemeanor citation for impersonating an officer, reckless driving, and possession of a deadly weapon. Just one week later, a 23-year-old nurse was attacked in her home, a man that she later identified as Richards, broke into her home around 4 in the morning, handcuffed her, and sexually assaulted her. He was arrested the next day and charged with aggravated rape, but was released from custody after he posted bomb. On July 22, 1987, just three months after Leanne's disappearance, Richards pulled over 37-year-old Marcia Arrett, a nurse who was driving on Highway 18 near Boulevard, about an hour east of Memphis.
Starting point is 00:22:52 She was stopped by someone claiming to be a Shelby County Sheriff Deputy. The man handcuffed her and held her at gunpoint for at least 20 minutes. One week later, she identified Richards in a photo lineup. He was arrested three days later and charged with aggravated assault. Just one day after his arrest, another woman came forward to report an assault by Richards. The woman from Memphis told authorities that he had attacked her about a week before his arrest. When they met at a nightclub, he had been wearing a pilot's uniform and offered to drive her home safely. Instead, he handcuffed her, drove her to a campaign.
Starting point is 00:23:30 cabin in a remote area of Forest Park in Memphis and sexually assaulted her multiple times. And what jumped out to me immediately was that this guy was caught. You know, he was caught impersonating an officer. He was caught with a 20 gauge shotgun. And then he was identified as the man who, you know, broke into this nurse's home. handcuffed her and sexually assaulted her, but then he's let out, right? He's allowed to postpone, and he goes on to assault multiple other women. Yeah, it's pretty disturbing. It's clearly a pattern, and these are coming in rather quick succession, and it's a troubling pattern. He just seems to be
Starting point is 00:24:21 getting more and more aggressive and even being arrested isn't stopping him. So certainly no question and that he's a danger to other people, especially women on the road that he might try and target. Richards was known to travel in, where he committed or attempted crimes in, at least five counties in Tennessee, that we know of. These are just the crimes that he got caught for and the locations that have been connected to him. A childhood friend of Richards lived in Lyles, just five miles from Dixon, close to where Leanne vanished from. In the spring and summer, 1987, Richards traveled there to visit this friend multiple times. In the fall of 1987, Richards actually confessed to murdering Leanne, but investigators could not tell whether he was telling the truth. He was known to make up stories.
Starting point is 00:25:07 He just kept changing the location of where he supposedly left Leanne's body. They took him around from place to place, something that must have really broken up the monotony of being behind bars. As soon as he told them the truth, the field trips would stop. He really had more incentive not to help them, even if he knew where she was. One thing that makes some people believe Richards is that while under hypnosis, he apparently described a piece of Leanne's jewelry that was somewhat unique. This was one of two things. Richards reportedly said that only someone involved in her disappearance would know. Richards also claimed that Leanne was on her period when she disappeared.
Starting point is 00:25:48 Apparently, investigators believed this to be accurate. Perhaps they could have gathered this information using a journal, or calendar of Leanne's if she kept track of her cycle, her friends may have known, or there could have been rappers for feminine hygiene products in her trash. Richard was also confessed to killing 26-year-old Teresa Ann Butler. Teresa was last seen in Memphis at around 9.15 p.m. on November 10, 1986, as she left work at St. Francis Hospital, where she was a student nurse. Her car, a brand new Honda Civic, was found on the side of Monterey Road, which is in the rural,
Starting point is 00:26:25 area of southeastern Shelby County. The car was still running, with the lights and radio still on, and the windshield wipers were going. Most notably, the driver's door had been left open. Richards helped search for Teresa as a volunteer civilian searcher. As we know, many killers involve themselves in the investigation, whether it's to try and steer authorities away from them, or just out of some kind of morbid curiosity or fascination with their victim. Her family believes that Richard's blue-light ruse would have worked on Teresa. Her sister, Pan, Damn Danger told the Tennessean, I'm sure Teresa would have stopped if she thought it was a police officer, just as sure as I am that Richards took Teresa and killed her.
Starting point is 00:27:04 So the one thing that you would have to say is that this Richards guy is a tantalizing suspect. I mean, you know, first off, he was identified by multiple women in some sexual assaults. and now he's confessed to killing two women, one of them being Leanne. And the other thing that I wanted to touch on was, you know, Pam, Teresa's sister, talking about the fact that she was sure Teresa would have stopped if she thought someone was a police officer. And I think, more if that's why the police officer ruse is so dangerous. You know, we're taught from a young. age that you're supposed to obey police officers.
Starting point is 00:27:56 So if you see a blue light behind you, what are you supposed to do? You're supposed to stop. But if that person isn't really a police officer and is intent on doing you harm, well, that becomes then a very dangerous situation. And I think that police officer ruse would probably work even better on a younger person, you know, maybe that is, you know, respect the authority was taught. If you're ever in that situation, make sure you listen to them, obey their orders. Whereas maybe an adult, an older, more experienced person might say, is this guy really a cop?
Starting point is 00:28:34 Something looks off. He's not driving what we normally see police driving or maybe doesn't have a full uniform on. So I think it's likely that a younger person might be more susceptible to it. And I also just wanted to touch on, too, he got charged with a misdemeanor from a person and a police officer. And I think in some jurisdictions, that's a very serious crime. I think it's a felony in some jurisdictions. So it's likely that in other areas, he would have been facing some hard time for this as opposed to facing a misdemeanor in this case. Well, and we can't discount the timeframe, right?
Starting point is 00:29:10 the 1980s, chances are, if you would fast forward to today, all of these things we're talking about would be dealt with, with, you know, much harsher sentences. We know, you know, 70s, 80s, crimes against women weren't dealt with with the same severity that they are today. And it's very unfortunate because I do think this guy was able to then go on and hurt multiple people when he should have been really locked up. And also one thing we really haven't discussed is that the time frame, this is before surveillance cameras all over before cell phone tracking and apps, things of that nature. So someone like this guy would have used all that stuff to advantage because it would have been harder to pinpoint where he was and if he was involved in some
Starting point is 00:30:07 of these things that he did. By 1989, Richards had changed his tune and claimed that he did not kill Leanne and even denied it when her parents visited him in prison to try to get some answers. According to Eric Price, his cell made at the time.
Starting point is 00:30:25 When he got back from the visit with Leanne's parents, he admitted with a smile on his face that he did kill her. According to Price in an article on WebSloose, Richards actually said, that he was relieved because he thought he had convinced them that he didn't kill her, which he claimed he did because he thought it would put them at peace. Fellow Lake County Regional Correction Center inmate Donnie Dean heard a story similar to the one
Starting point is 00:30:52 that Angie Moss recalls Richards telling her, but there are some important differences. According to Dean, Richards stab Leanne because she wouldn't stop screaming. And he got scared and panicked. He also said that Richards was afraid to face trial for Leanne's murder because he was afraid to receive the death penalty and be executed by the electric chair. So Richards was convicted, right? He was put in prison. The research seems to show that it was for the assault on Marsha Erich. Although some of the reporting is a little muddy.
Starting point is 00:31:31 I think, again, for me, what is also. confusing as all get out, you know, are these multiple confessions to murder? Although, as far as I could tell, he was, he was never charged or tried for murder. And it doesn't seem like some of these other crimes that he was accused of or admitted to either that he was charged for. So maybe it's only Marsha Erich's case that he was in prison for. And Richards may have wanted to avoid the elector, but he wasn't able to avoid a violent death. Richards was killed by his cellmate in 1991. Apparently, it was Richards himself who actually talked his cellmate, Eric Price, into killing him.
Starting point is 00:32:14 When you hear that someone in prison was killed, it's usually due to a gang thing. Their charges coming to late or personal beef between inmates. But Richards and his cellmate were on pretty good terms. He had just managed to convince Price that he worked for the CIA and kept telling Price that if he didn't take him out first, then Price would be killed. It was only a few hours later that Price strangled Richards to death using an electrical cable. There are a few reports that say he was stabbed the death in prison, but these are incorrect. Had Richards lived, he might have eventually revealed the location of Leanne's body.
Starting point is 00:32:49 Then again, if he had nothing to do with her death, he would have had nothing of value to offer. So I think it's certainly possible that Richards had some involvement in Leanne's death. You know, he did confess to the murder. He then took it back. Was it because, you know, he wanted to avoid old Sparky? I think a lot of people did, you know, back in the day. Let's face it, who really wanted to be executed? And very few people want to be killed in general. But this is such a strange ending for Richards.
Starting point is 00:33:26 Not to be killed in prison. People get killed in prison all the time. but to be killed from asking your cellmate to murder you or to kill you. That's a really strange thing. And then obviously you have this whole story about him being in the CIA and I don't know. It's just really far out there. Yeah, he's afraid of being put to death executed, but then he asked this cellmate to do the job. So very strange and just a very dangerous guy, it seems, with these.
Starting point is 00:34:00 women that were just coming forward at a rapid pace just saying he did this to me, he did that to me. And, you know, thankfully he was in prison for that stretch that he was doing at the time he died or there might have been other victims. And even if he didn't kill anyone and he wasn't responsible for any murders, he seems like the kind of person that could have escalated to becoming a murder. So I think one way or another, for him to be off the streets, it was a good thing. Yeah, I don't think there's any doubt. This was not a good guy.
Starting point is 00:34:35 Some people think there's a possibility that Leanne was the victim of a killer, known as the Bible Belt Strangler. Because many of the cases attributed to this killer are still unsolved, it's not confirmed that there is a single Bible Belt Strangler, and it's unclear which cases are truly connected to each other. The Bible Belt Strangler murders overlap with what are called the Redhead. murders, some of the victims were found clothed, some totally naked, some of them had potentially been sexually assaulted while others had not been. Additionally, some of the victims were bound while others were not. After hearing that the police know that at least three serial rapists or murderers were on the same road, on the same night, it wouldn't be shocking if most of the murders discussed together in these groups are completely unrelated and the work of different
Starting point is 00:35:32 predators overlapping. While many of the Bible Belt Strangler murders did take place in the right area and during the right time frame, many of the victims did not match Leanne's situation when she vanished. Many of the Bible Belt Strangler victims were hitchhiking or performing sex work. These women were vulnerable and often not reported misconduct. missing. Another man whose name was thrown out as a potential suspect in Leanne's case was truck driver Henry Harris Jr. He had two flyers about Leanne's disappearance in his truck when he was found deceased in 1999. There was also a handwritten note where he mentioned he wanted a girl of his own, as well as a photo of a girl that looked a lot like Leanne. It ended up being one of Harris's
Starting point is 00:36:20 relatives. As creep as it may seem that he had Leanne's missing person's flyers in his truck, it may have been that he picked flyers up that he's seen while on the road. Many times, truckers are called upon to keep their eyes open for runaways or missing people. But what does that mean, Morve, that he mentioned he wanted the girl of his own. I mean, I think you could take that statement a number of different ways. He wanted a girlfriend or he wanted something else. Yeah, I could see how some people would take that in a bad way. and then you have the flyers there in his truck,
Starting point is 00:36:56 and they'll just automatically put two and two together and say, okay, this guy may be some kind of predator or predator wannabe. In the end, there's just not a lot of information here, and we don't really know what his motives were. Maybe he was planning on looking for her, and maybe his intentions were good. We just don't know. Despite some interesting potential suspects in Leanne's case,
Starting point is 00:37:22 there's no solid evidence connecting anyone to her disappearance. And 38 years later, police may not be any closer to finding out what happened, but they haven't given up on the case. People in that area of Tennessee still talk about Leanne's case to this day. Tom Wall, who was a detective in 1987 when Leanne disappeared and eventually made his way up to being sheriff, told the Tennessean that nothing like that had ever happened here in Dixon County. And he said that people just couldn't comprehend that a 17-year-old girl could be abducted there. While Leanne's case hasn't gotten major attention, people on sites like Reddit and WebSloos have poured over the case,
Starting point is 00:38:05 trying to see if they can figure out what happened. A lot of people on those sites ask questions about parts of the case, wondering if there could be some kind of inside job or setup going on here. One of the biggest questions was, how did they run out of gas? most of the time this question is asked with a bit of suspicion toward Leanne's brother Lawson, saying, isn't it a little convenient to run out of gas and to have to leave Leanne behind and then have an entire family be able to verify your alibi at the time she went missing? But in reality, the answer to the car running out of gas isn't as mysterious as it seems. Police verified that the car's gas gauge was broken and not properly working.
Starting point is 00:38:46 since it wasn't Lawson's car and he had borrowed it, he had no idea that when he set off to pick Leanne up from work that night, that the gas gauge was wrong. And he didn't know that there wouldn't be enough gas to make it home. It was only about a 20 minute drop. He was going to pick her up so that she could make it home safely at night. Even if the pocket family didn't see Leanne inside the car when Lawson got out, Leanne had just checked out of work and had been seen there. There's no missing time between her leaving work and the Puckett family coming upon them stranded on the side of the highway. It's just not possible that something violent happened between the two siblings in the window of time that we're talking about here.
Starting point is 00:39:32 As for Lawson, he blamed himself for his twin sister Leanne disappearance, feeling that he was responsible for what happened because he had left her alone in the car. It was going to be a very quick trip. The car was safely off the road, and she had the keys. What could he have possibly expected to happen to her in 10 to 20 minutes inside of a locked car? How many people would really even pass the car at that time, let alone get close enough to notice Leanne through tenant windows and then decide to harm her? In 1997, Leanne's mother, Marjorie, passed away at the age of 57 after a battle of cancer. Her father, George, lived in 91, dying in 2003. They never found out what happened to their daughter.
Starting point is 00:40:15 Leanne was declared legally dead in 1999. Her family had filed for this status four years earlier. It wasn't until that attempted 1995 filing to have Leanne declared dead that a potential piece of evidence was disclosed. Despite earlier reports that there was nothing on or in the car that could help indicate what happened, there was apparently a mark on the passenger door that could have been made. if someone had kicked the door closed during a struggle.
Starting point is 00:40:46 Unfortunately, while that clue opens up some possibilities, it's not enough to this point to provide any answers. In 2018, there was a lot of hope that there was going to be some major movement in the case when human remains were found in an open cistern in Dixon County. They ended up belonged to an adult male, not Leanne. Still, the discovery had Leanne on people's minds once again, and wondering if she could still be out there alive, perhaps. Sheriff Breedlove told WKRN,
Starting point is 00:41:17 the probability of her being alive is still, to me, very small, very, very small. He added, it's just one of those where if it goes unresolved, I'm just hoping someone somewhere will find her remains. This case has clearly stayed with investigators. Dixon County Sheriff's Office, Captain Randy Stark said in a 22 interview with the Tennessean, I think about Leanne and her family every day. Her photo still hangs in my office as a constant reminder to never give up. Former Cheatham County Sheriff Mike Breedlove told WKRN,
Starting point is 00:41:53 it hit me emotionally the night of my daughter's prom. He even asked Leanne's mother if she would come back after she passed away and leave him a clue so that he could finally solve this case. I said, Miss Green, would you do something for? me. Would you please come back to me? I don't care if you haunt me in the middle of the night. Just something I can go on so I can find her remains. Despite the back and forth, the confessing and the recanting, many of the people who worked on the case over the years feel that Richards is the best suspect in Leanne's case.
Starting point is 00:42:29 In a web-sloose article, former Shelby County, Detective W.J. Wood said, Richard looked me square in the eyes, raised his right hand, and said, I swear on my mother's life that I killed Leanne Green. Unfortunately, if Richard knew anything about Leanne's death or played a role in her disappearance, he took those secrets to the grave. There aren't many updates about Lawson or the rest of the Green family. But as of 2003, when Leanne's father passed away, Leanne's brother Lawson and her sister's Lori and Lisa were all still
Starting point is 00:43:04 alive and living in Tennessee. From photos on Google Maps Street View, it looks like the store called the barn. Near where Lawson stopped the car and left Leanne is still standing today. The Holiday Inn and Dixon, where Leanne worked, has been gone for many years. If you have information about the disappearance
Starting point is 00:43:25 of Martha Leang Green, you can contact the Dixon County Sheriff's Office by calling 615-789-4130. You can also send a tip to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation by emailing tips to tbi at tn.gov. So morph, as we wrap this case up, I do think you have to look at this Richards guy as, you know, probably the, the most likely suspect, at least of the people that we know about. I mean, number one, he did confess to her murder. Now, he recanted, if you believe some of the people.
Starting point is 00:44:04 that he was in jail or in prison with, he told them. Yeah, I did it. But like you said, you know, unfortunately with his death, went the possibility of learning anything more about Leanne from him directly. Yeah, there's no question that he was a bad guy, had done multiple attacks, which you could say, parallel Leanne's vehicles involved, maybe a police. Officer Ruse, that kind of thing. And I think I mentioned before, if he hadn't murdered anyone, it wouldn't be a leap to expect him to eventually do that because he just showed a pattern. But one thing I really find interesting is just that small window in which Richards or some other person may have come along in that small time frame to strike and take Leanne away, leaving no sign really
Starting point is 00:45:03 of what happened. You know, how likely is it for you to, for your brother to go away, get gas and come back 8, 10, 12, 15 minutes later, whatever the time frame is and she's gone. It just doesn't seem like your chances of running into somebody with something nefarious on their mind would happen in such a small window, but this kind of case is proof that it can. Yeah, I don't think, you know, Leanne, left voluntarily. I don't think she started a new life. My thought is someone did come along with bad intentions and carried them out. But, you know, who that is, it's still up for debate.
Starting point is 00:45:46 I still think, you know, Richards is probably the most likely person. But one thing I want to touch on is Lawson. Always tough to handle the death of a loved one, a sibling. But I'm sure even more so when that sibling is a twin. And you have the type of scenario that we have in this case. I mean, he's going to feel guilty. There's no way around it, even though most likely from everything we know, he did nothing wrong. Yeah, despite doing nothing wrong, I think there was a clear indication that he did feel some guilt. over leaving his sister there and maybe not insisting that she come with him or maybe not asking
Starting point is 00:46:39 why she was scared he's probably played that moment back a lot of times in his life and that's one of the most mysterious things to me about the case is you know her saying she was scared but not elaborating him not asking maybe something had happened earlier in the day maybe a customer had come into her work that just made her nervous any number of things things could be extrapolated by that statement, I'm scared. And maybe if he had more time, he wasn't headed off to get gas, he might have talked to her a little bit about that. Maybe that were provided more clues.
Starting point is 00:47:15 But for now, it's just an interesting thing that she said that we have no answers for. Well, and I go back to my comment early on, which is if she was scared, she verbalized that. why stay in the car alone by yourself? Why not go with Lawson and the family to get gas? Again, another question that we don't have an answer for. I think it may take her remains being found one day that reveal clues that may finally provide some answers and hopefully that day comes.
Starting point is 00:47:53 Yeah, I agree with you. But that's it for our episode on Martha Leanne Green. As always, if you love the show, but haven't done so yet. Take a minute, go out, leave us a rating, a review. Also, keep telling your friends. Word of mouth about the podcast really helps us out. If you want to find us on social media,
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