Criminology - The Air Force Couple

Episode Date: April 7, 2018

In episode 7, we dive into some additional communication that may be from the East Area Rapist. There is a call we'll play that was made to the Sacramento PD. What may be the first written communication by EAR is sent to multiple outlets. And he continues to call and terrorize his victims. A good lead on this suspect comes into police and they set up a sting operation to nab him. We'll hear from one of the original detectives on how it played out. We also discuss the murders of Brian and Katie Maggiore which may very well be the work of the EAR. We talk with Katie's brother, detectives who worked the case then and now, as well as a witness to the events that took place 41 years ago. You can help support the show by going to patreon.com/criminology An Emash Digital Production Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Criminology is a true crime podcast that may contain discussion about violent or disturbing topics. Listener discretion is advised. I'd like to welcome everyone to episode seven, season two of criminology. Morph, how are you doing now that we're past the halfway point? I'm doing good and I'm looking forward to the rest of this season. Well, I know it's been a lot of work to get us up to this point and we have a lot more work ahead of us, but we've got some great episodes to come. All right,

Morph, we've got some new Patreon shoutouts that we have to give. We had Mary Shock, Jeanette Butler Fergie, which I'm really digging that name. Tammy Green, Leanne Hippensteel, who I know is a T-Cat supporter as well,

so appreciate that. We have Bob Mio Martino and Andrea Canfield. So amazing support. on Patreon. We appreciate it. It really, really goes a long way towards us being able to put out these episodes. Yeah, we can't thank you guys enough. Your support is really, really appreciated. And, you know, moving forward as you talk about us on social media, that really helps us out, too. So even if you can't help with the Patreon, just going on social media and talking about criminology really helps us out. So thank you.

Right, Moore, if we're less than a month away from CrimeCon, we're excited, we've been talking about it, can't wait to, you know, meet up with fans of criminology. If you're on the fence, if you haven't made that decision, just do it. You know, go to CrimeCon.com, sign up, use our promo code criminology. You're going to get 10% off your standard badge. And I promise you, you will not regret going to CrimeCon. It is a blast. The last thing we want to touch on

is we're getting a little bit closer to our book being published based on season one of criminology and that's all about the Zodiac case. The book is called Criminology True Crime Podcast Presents the case of the Zodiac Killer. You can pre-order the Kindle version

by visiting Amazon or you can go to our publishing partner in this venture, Wild Blue Press. Just go to wildbluepress.com forward slash zodiac pre-orders. and Wild Blue Press has some great true crime books. As a special offer to listeners of criminology, Wild Blue Press is offering a free audiobook download.

All you have to do is go to wildbluepress.com forward slash audio-dash books. And Morph, I know we've mentioned this, but one of the things that we're striving to do with this podcast is to spread awareness of this case and hopefully generate some tips. So we want to keep giving out, the information for anyone that thinks that they may have a tip or, you know, any type of information

that they think may help, you know, contact the FBI tip line by calling 1-800 call FBI. So just to do a quick recap of episode six, we heard from Detective Sergeant Ken Clark of the Sacramento County Sheriff's Department who discussed a possible lead in the case that he's been working on lately. And then we wrapped up the episode by including an in-depth interview with victim number 27 Margaret. She was such an awesome guest and her story is amazing. I can't tell you how many messages and emails we got about her. It was so great having her on to tell her own story about her attack on November 10, 1977 on La Rivier Drive in Sacramento. The few weeks following Margaret's attack were largely uneventful. There were no reported East Area rape

attacks, one of the East Area rapists, many victims, mailed in a rather moving letter to the Sacramento Bee. This letter was in response to an article that the B had previously run about the East Area Rapist. As a recent victim of the East Area Rapist, I read with interest your July 3rd article, Rape Case Conflict, on the disagreement between local police and the rape crisis Center. According to your article, the rape crisis center and its supporters claim that police agencies too often are insensitive to the immediate emotional needs of a rape victim. In the immediate aftermath of my attack, the decency and tact of the uniformed officers played a large part in helping to keep myself glued together. I am deeply grateful to them all. A uniformed lady

officer was summoned immediately, and shortly afterward, Detective Carol Daly. At no time was I made to feel that the need for police information was being put above my well-being, or that the emotional pain of my experience was being disregarded. In the days after the incident, Detective Daly showed great concern for my well-being. More than anyone else, she seemed to understand my feelings, and I never spoke with her without feeling better afterward. On the other hand, I am still ambivalent about my talks with the women at the rape crisis center. Several times they made the comment that other rape victims were feeling insignificant and out of the ballpark because their assailant was not the East Area rapist, and they were presumably not getting the same level of attention that I was.

After just being raped, robbed, terrorized, and having the lives of my husband and child threatened, it left me confused to hear from a counselor that other women were envious of the circumstances of my attack. However innocently the comment was made, it hurt badly. The women at the rape crisis center are very well-intentioned, and I do not want to appear to bite the hand that tried to help me. But I do believe these women have some very ingrained political orientations that affect their attitudes toward victims and the police. These attitudes need to be re-examined. Regarding the anti-police comment of Ted Sheedy,

it is certainly a shame that a man could hold county office for so long and still be totally ignorant of the workings of his local law enforcement agencies. If local politicians, TV commenters, and rape counselors were half as dedicated and professional as our police, Sacramento would be in really good shape. But until such a fine day arrives, here is my advice to any Sacramento woman who is raped. Call the police immediately.

Then call your two closest girlfriends. Rape victim. Sacramento. That letter to the editor was read by Nina of Already Gone Podcast, another one of our friends who helped us this season by lending her voice to help tell the story of this monster. We really appreciate her help and we hope you will check out her podcast. And that's one of the things morph that I really think is amazing about the true crime podcast community. Everybody is out to help everybody else. So, you know, if you reach out to somebody like Lainey, from True Crime Fan Club, you reach out to Nina from already gone, and there's other people that

have helped us. The first thing they say is, heck yeah, I'm going to help you. I just think that is so amazing. And it's what makes this true crime podcast community so special. So we're up to December of 1977, almost a month since the last East Area Rapist Attack on Margaret. On December 2nd, The Sacramento Police Department received the following call. So just to help transcribe that audio, the Sheriff's Department answered the phone with what sounds like police department sheriff speaking. Then a male caller says,

you're never going to catch me. I'm the East Area rapist, you dumb fuckers. I'm going to fuck again tonight. Be careful. When this call came in, police didn't know what to make of it. And they had no way of knowing if the call was really from the East Area rapist or simply just a prank call. Later that night, a woman on the 5,900 block of Revelstock Way in Sacramento settled in the bed for the night.

Her husband had gone out for the night with some friends and her teenage son was sleeping at a friend's house. So this woman decided to allow her six-year-old daughter to sleep in bed with her. She went to sleep at about 1130, but not long after falling asleep, just. before midnight, she was awakened by a noise that she assumed was her cat. She ignored it, but heard again, and then rolled over to the sight of a masked man shining a light and her eyes. The masked man whispered to the woman telling her to get up. Almost defiantly, she asked him why.

The man replied, get up and come with me, or I'll hurt your little boy. So this intruder had mistaken her daughter for a boy. Once the woman stood up, she saw that he had a black pair of shoelaces, but she didn't see a weapon. He forced her to walk down the hallway into the living room and then forced her to her knees before tying her with the shoelaces. The woman started to cry and the assailant threatened to gag her. She begged the attacker not to and told her she would be quiet. She wanted to not be gagged in case her daughter got up. That way she'd be able to tell her to go back to back.

bed. The masked man agreed, and he didn't gag her, and he also did not blindfold her. Noise outside caught the attacker's attention. There were a group of teenagers playing in the street in front of the home. The man was distracted by them, and he kept peeking outside the window at them. As she lay on the floor, the assailant walked by her a few times. He was talking to her, or maybe to himself, and said, you think you're smart, but I'm smarter. After a few moments, the house was silent. Outside, the woman heard what sounded like a loud van start up and then drive away. She waited a few minutes, then she got up and went to her phone where she called a neighbor for help.

Thankfully, as in some of the other East Area rapist cases, the child slept through the entire event. Police were called and they arrived after midnight on December 3rd and started their investigation. This woman, compared to some other East Area rapist victims, had escaped relatively unharmed. The thinking is that the intruder had been so nervous about the teenagers outside that he decided to abort the attack. Police questioned the woman, and she told him that her attacker was white and sounded as if he was in his 20s. He was under six feet tall and had a thin bill. He spoke through clenched teeth. They were able to determine that the point of entry was the family room window, which had been pried.

The victim was able to determine that the intruder hadn't stolen anything. She did tell police that in the weeks leading up to her attack, she received several hang-up phone calls that almost always came after 2 p.m. Police then questioned neighbors, but they wanted to start with the group of teenagers that were gathered on the street out in front of the victim's home. After speaking with them, they verified that none of them had seen anything unusual. one person, however, spotted an out-of-place white station wagon with black tires that was parked across the street from the victim's home around midnight.

Other residents close by reported that in the spring of that year, they had received a call from a man whispering, you are next. One neighbor reported seeing an out-of-place blue van in the area with a Sacramento Army decal on it, And this was just a week or so before the attack. Another neighbor saw a beige colored station wagon in front of the victim's home a few days before the attack. And there were other unknown men and prowlers spotted in the area in the days leading up to the attack. All of this was typical activity leading up to an East Area rapist attack. Police learned that in late August, a nearby home had been burglarized. The thief had made off with two photos of the homeowners and their typewriter,

not the typical things a burglar would take. The call placed earlier the day of the attack to police in which somebody claimed to be the East Air Rapist may have been legit. He threatened that he would attack that night, and he did. Thankfully, this woman escaped an attack, which could have been a lot more serious. This aborted attack seemed to drive home the fact that the East Area rapist was all about self-preservation. If things didn't go right or weren't going as planned or something seemed off, then he simply aborted the attack. In this case, the noisy teenagers outside had made him

nervous enough to take off. For weeks after this attack, throughout December of 1977 and in early January of 1978, the East Area Ropus focused seemed to shift away from attacking in person toward harassing people over the phone. On December 9th, The 21st victim that we talked about in episode five received a phone call from someone she thought was the same man who had raped her. The next day on December 10th, a man called into the Sacramento Police Department and said, I am going to hit tonight. And then he indicated that it was going to be on what avenue. But there were no attacks that night.

The next day on December 11th, very, very. close to what avenue, a man riding a bicycle and wearing a ski mask was witnessed by police and they chased after him. The man ditched the bike and outramed police on foot. Police traced the bicycle and found that it had been stolen in Reading, California, 150 miles away. On December 12th, multiple copies of what may have been the first written communication from the Easterer rapist, were received by Sacramento's mayor's office, the Sacramento B, and a local Sacramento television station. The communication came in the form of a tight poem entitled Excitements Crave. All those mortals surviving birth upon facing maturity, take inventory of

their worth to prevailing society. Choosing values becomes a task. One self must seek satisfaction. The selected route will unmask. Character, when plans take action. Accepting some work to perform at fixed pay, but promise for more, is a recognized social norm, as is decorum, seeking lore. Achieving while others lifting should be cause for deserving fame. Leisure tempts excitement seeking. What's right and expected seems tame. Jesse James has been seen by all, and Son of Sam has an author. Others now feel Temptations call. Sacramento should make an offer. to make a movie of my life that will pay for my planned exile.

Just now I'd like to add the wife of a mafia lord to my file. Your East Area Rapist and Deserving Pest. See you on the press or on TV. And we just wanted to give a quick shout out to our friend Michael, who hosts a couple podcasts, Unresolved, and a new podcast called Hoax. And we definitely encourage you to check out his shows. Please search these mailings for clues that might lead to the author of the poem. They uncovered a palm print on one of the letters that has never been matched to anyone.

And it would be determined that the typewriter used to create the poem was the same exact make and model of typewriter. We mentioned earlier as being stolen from a home leading up to the most recent attack. Also interesting was the fact that the poem mentioned, quote, wife of a mafia lord, which may have been in reference to the 21st victim and her husband who were Italian. Later in December of 1977, police got a good lead that they were interested in. A man who matched many of the East Area Rapids descriptions had been coming into a 7-Eleven store located at 10-721 Coloma Road in Rancho Cordova. He came in almost daily, either late at night or early in the morning.

He would walk to the back of the store and loiter as he read Adult Men. magazines. Police took it seriously enough that they decided to set up a stakeout. The officer of the head apart in making the stakeout happen was Ted Daly, who was Carol Daly's husband. Of course, you've heard Detective Carol Daly on this season. Ted Daly ordered two officers to go to the 7-11. One was to sit outside in an unmarked police car. The other would go inside the store and wait in a back room for the man to come in. Once the man came in, the police were supposed to approach the man, question him, and learn his identity. However, things did not go as planned, according to Detective Richard Shelby.

This seemed like a really good lead. But like many other leads in this case, police couldn't capitalize on it. The man that they were looking for was thought to live very close to the 7-Eleven. maybe in one of the nearby apartment complexes on Coloma Road. But he never came back in the store. But during that month of December, another victim, the eighth victim, also received a call that they thought was from the East Area Rapist. Then Christmas passed, as did New Year's, but on January 2nd of 1978, that's the day that

the very first victim received the sinister phone call. And we played that in episode one, but we needed to play it again. Just to remind everyone how scary that phone call was. And you can imagine how afraid that victim must have been receiving that phone call. Fortunately, this call was recorded and it was later played for other victims of the Easterer rapists that had received similar calls. They all agreed that this was the voice of the man that had raped them. Four days later, on January 6th, a counseling service volunteer received the phone call

from a man who claimed that he was the East Area rapist. The caller claimed that he had been treated on and off at the Stockton State Hospital. He also accused the counselor of tracing his call and hung up. Later, on January 20th, at around 520 to 5.30 a.m., two different East Area Rapist victims received phone calls that were identical in the end. The caller said to each of them, I have not struck in a while. You will be my next victim. I'm going to come over and fuck you in the butt. See you soon. Now, these calls, although frightening and terrorizing, they were just that. They were calls. But assuming that they were from the East Area

rapist, it proved that he was still terrorizing, but not in person. It had been two months with no East Area Rapist attack. But that would change on January 28th when the East Area Rapist would strike on the 4,300 block of College View Way and Carmichael. And this attack would be one of the most despicable in the series because the East Area Rapist would attack and rape two teenage sisters. Just a couple weeks before, the mother of these two girls had witnessed a man running from their garage.

When she investigated, she found that some tools were missing. Over the next two weeks, these two girls, who were Los Sierra high school students aged 14 and 15, received odd calls from a man they didn't know. They described the man as having a funny voice, and during these calls, he would ask if their mom was home. On January 28th, at about 7 p.m., the girls' parents left to go to a concert. The sister stayed at home and went to bed at around 10 p.m. Between 10.30 and 11 p.m., the older sister was awakened by a thump, followed by a voice in a room. The startled girl sat up and she saw a man in a mask standing in her doorway holding a flashlight.

The intruder told her to get all of her money or he would kill her. As her eyes adjusted to the light, she could see that the man was holding a gun. She turned over to get some cash that she kept close to her bed, was about $60. She handed the money to the man after he approached her. He then ordered her to go wake up her sister. The older sister escorted the man into her younger sister's room, at which point the hooded man shook the younger sister waking her up.

He told her as soon as she was awake, don't look at me or I'll kill you. He then ordered her to give him cash as well. He forced the girls to lie down on the bed face down. He bound their hands tightly behind their backs with shoelaces. He then asked the pair when their parents would be home. They told the attacker that they were due home at midnight. The man threatened them with a knife telling them that if they were lying, he would kill them both

and then kill their parents when they came home. The attacker left the girls bound on the bed and went to look through the house going through several drawers in the process. He later returned and this is when the unthinkable happened. He placed his lubricated penis into the older girl's head. hands and then move to the younger sister doing the same exact thing. And again, Morp, we're not going to go into every detail of this attack, but the attacker raped both sisters while they laid next to each other.

And the East Area rapist has done so many disgusting things up to this point. And just when you think that this monster can't get any more depraved, he goes and does something like this. During the attack, he covered one victim's head with a sweater and the other with a pillow. After the sexual attack, the man stood up and warned the girls not to talk to each other. He told them that he would kill them if they did. He asked them where their parents kept their money and they told the man that it was on top of their dresser. The man went to their bedroom to grab the cash but came back very quickly and he started to speak in a rather whimpering voice telling them he couldn't find the money.

Then in the same whimpering voice, he told them, I don't want to do this anymore. She's making me do it. The man walked out of the room and the house became quiet. The two sisters were not sure if he was still there. So they remained still until 11.30 p.m. When they heard their parents walk into the house. And I can't imagine this morph as a parent coming home to find,

my two daughters in this state. To me, it's unimaginable. The parents freed the girls and immediately called the police. Police arrived just before midnight and started their investigation. They determined that the point of entry was the front door which had been kicked in. Before being taken to Sacramento Medical Center for treatment, the sisters were able to describe their attackers being 5'7 to 5 foot 9, thin to medium build with a small penis.

They thought he might be in his 30s. Police felt that he may have been in the house for only 30 minutes or so and perhaps was scared off by the arrival of the girl's parents. As Mike said, attacking and raping two sisters side by side just adds another disgusting element to the East Area rapist. And the fact that he simply kicked the door open to get to these two girls shows that this attack was more rushed and not calculated like some of the other attacks before. Four days later, on February 2nd, 1978, on the 10,000 block of La Allegria Drive, a young couple was shot and killed.

A 21-year-old Air Force Sergeant and his 20-year-old wife were shot to death Thursday night as they walked their dog on a quiet residential street in Rancho Cordova. Dead are Sergeant Brian K. Mashioriore, had administrative specialist with the Security Police Squadron at nearby Mather Air Force Base and Katie Mashiore. They resided in Rancho Cordova and are from the Fresno area. Sheriff's homicide detectives said the young victims were slain as they attempted to escape from their attacker by running into the backyard of residence. According to detectives, a neighbor reported he heard the woman scream for help and then saw a tall man leap over a fence and flee. The couple was found mortally wounded in the backyard of a home at 101.6-5 La Allegria Drive at 9.10 p.m. The man shot through the chest by a slug that passed through the back of his neck, died at 11.14 p.m. in the Sacramento Medical Center.

His wife, shot in the head, died 20 minutes later. William Miller, assistant to the sheriff, reported the two apparently fled into the backyard from a street behind a house on LaGloria Way. A portion of the back fence had been blown down at the La Allegria address by recent storm, making the backyard accessible from LaGloria. Nicholas Otlinger, who lived at the slang scene,

said he first heard screams, and then a bullet crashed through the pain window. He said the slug missed him by about four inches. Odlinger said, quote, I threw my wife to the floor and we just stayed there for a while. A 17-year-old boy who lived two doors down from Otlinger said he heard two shots and ran outside. He said he heard three more shots and the sound of someone scaling a fence. The suspect ran within a few feet of the boy, detective said, and when the man turned toward

him, the boy fled. Miller said the couple was attempting to escape from their assailant, but investigators have been unable to learn why. The man had nearly reached the back patio when he was shot. His wife, who neighbors heard yelling, help me, ran another. 60 or 80 feet along the side of the house and had reached the front gate before being gunned down. The killer vaulted a front fence and was seen running away by a neighbor who described him as white in his mid-20s, 6 feet to 6 feet 2 inches tall, a slight build, short dark hair, and

wearing a brown leather coat with a large stain on the back and dark pants and shoes. The couple's dog was found alive in a swimming pool on the property behind the Law-Alegria Drive residence that fronts on LaGloria. Investigators speculated the small dog must have fled into the pool in the darkness during the shooting. That article was from the February 3rd, Sacramento, B, and it detailed how the young couple, Brian and Katie Majori, had been gunned down. The Majorees were newlyweds. At the time of their murders, they had been married for about 18 months.

Brian was a young security policeman in the Air Force. He and Katie were awaiting orders to go overseas, something the young couple was excited about. The couple had taken their dog Thumper. a poodle out for a walk. The Majore's lived in an apartment on La Verde Court just a short distance away from where they were shot. Their murder seemed random. But it also appeared that the killer had gone out of his way after shooting Brian to make

sure that he also killed Katie. These senseless murders shocked their families. Katie's brother, Ken Smith, told us about how his family got the news. and how it affected them not just immediately following the murders, but for the rest of their lives. I was in high school at the time, so my dad, the Air Force, actually sent somebody to his place of business and informed him.

And then they escorted him, took him over to when my mom worked for Fresnel Unified School District, and they picked her up and told her. And then they picked Keith up at school. And then they came to the high school where I was going to school at and had me pulled out. and told me about it. That weekend prior to it happening, we had just seen them.

They had come down into town from Sacramento. My sister turned 20, January 29th, so three days before it happened. So we were down, you know, they came down to celebrate her birthday. But I was, we had talked to him on the phone the night that it did happen. When this all happened,

they had just moved like a week or so prior. The whole thing was just devastating to the, to our family. And like I said, our family didn't talk about it much and almost withdrew probably from each other because of it. And I think it put a heavy burden that all of us have been left to deal with for quite some time now. But Kate and Brian were just a wonderful, happy young couple.

Brian, you couldn't ask for a better guy. He was a wonderful person. And Katie was always a happy-go-lucky, outgoing personality. You know, it was always just fun. I mean, her and I were really, really close. and so it was very difficult for me. I had a hard time with it, even to this day. One of the things that bothers me the most is the fact that not only did it, you know,

where we cheated of a life, you know, together as far as, I mean, you know, her being 20 and I was 16, but her not getting to meet my, you know, my family. So I have three kids and two grandbabies and, you know, they never met her. Ken went on to detail for us what investigators were thinking at the time. At the time, it was a lot of time. there was a lot of different information floating around out there. Probably 98% of it very inaccurate, I would say. You know, my family didn't speak about it much,

so they would not come to me and tell me anything about what was going on. If I found out anything that was going on, it was kind of overhearing a conversation with somebody else. So it was kept really, you know, hush, hush. But there were a lot of rumors that went around at the time, One positive thing to come out of the investigation of Brian and Katie's murder was that there was actually multiple witnesses that filled in what happened at the time of the murders. One of those witnesses named Carl was 17 at the time and he sat down with us to tell us what he could remember about the events of that night, events that occurred over 41 years ago. My name is Carl Molsch. I grew up in Ranchova, California, and I was involved with the East Area rapist case when a shooting occurred two doors down from me when I lived in Rancher Cordova on LaGrius Street.

And I was one of the few witnesses of the perpetrator is how I got involved with the case. and I've been recently been contacted, and I've been trying to help out any way I can, even though it's been 40 years. I'd like to help any way I can to solve the case. It was a February evening. I think it was around seven something at night, but I was a 17-year-old teenager,

lived with my folks on Laugria Street. I had a bedroom that was in the back of the house, and we in California all the the track homes have wooden fences in their backyard and it's not uncommon to have a lot of fences blow down with a heavy storm and wind and I remember I remember sitting my room and I heard some some banging of fences like somebody was was trying to break down a fence or something to that effect and I heard a couple loud loud bangs, not really knowing what it was. And so I walked out of the front of the house of the garage under our driveway.

And then as I was walking out there, it was a winter night, but it was clear. And in Sacramento, we have a thing called Tully fog in the winter often where it's very dense fog, but it was a very clear night. and it was dark, but there was enough light from porches that you could get a good look what was going. I remember walking out there. I heard a couple more, two, three more shots and maybe a scream. And I looked to the left, and then I heard kind of a scrambling of somebody trying to climb a fence. and then somebody falling into maybe some bushes and some scrambling.

And then the perpetrator, actually the Otlinger's residence was where the incident occurred. After he committed the crime, the gate was locked. And so he had to climb the fence. The gate was right by the driveway. and there was a, there was kind of a, a small alleyway between the fence next door and the house. And that's where he, I guess, shot the second person. And he had to scramble over that fence. Then I heard somebody running towards, towards me.

And the perpetrator, he runs out down the street and cross our neighbor's lawn, actually, next door to the left. And I had, I, by, we made my way out to the front of the house. enough where I was near the front of the lawn area and I was looking at him and he ran up you know within five to ten feet of me next door onto the neighbor's lawn and at that time I think he finally it was dark enough where he he didn't really see that there was somebody out there standing out there until he got within 10 20 feet and then he stopped and kind of startled looked at me and then he turned

around and ran back down the opposite way of the street as fast as he could to get away from work. And at the same time, my neighbor, Don Morris, on the right, he'd come out of the house also because he'd heard some loud booms. And then so we both didn't know what was going on. So we walked over the Otlingers because I had seen him hopping over that fence. I had a direct line to the Otlinger's gate. and so we walked over there and we had heard

we had heard somebody breathe and that had been shot in that area and then it was about that time we finally realized that it had been a shooting because it's a nice quiet, you know,

neighborhood in Ranch Cordova and to expect a couple people that have been assassinated or murdered next two doors down was was pretty frightened And then naturally the police came and we did some interviews. I got approval for my mom to go downtown and the head detective Ray B.ondi.

They did an interview with me. And then I was actually put under hypnosis. And I helped recall some details. And then I worked with a sketch artist also. and I had some artistic talent, so I was able to kind of give him some general features of a, you know, more of a slender guy, longer leg, you know, five-tenth to six-foot tall, something like that.

And it actually helped out with a few renderings. He had kind of a light brown bomber jacket type on that I had recalled. And when he turned to run away, he had a, he had like a kind of a, kind of a large peanut-shaped stain on the back of his jacket. And I recall that from hypnosis and it helped sketch that out. I thought he was a little taller, he was slender, kind of, you know, athletic type of a gate, you know.

Nothing unusual for like a limp or anything. But there was a level of franticness for him to be escaping the crime scene. and then running. But he seemed to have a longer gait, taller, slender guy, and moved pretty quick. I thought he had kind of deeper set eyes. And I have a vision of some hair,

so I can't recall having a ski mask. But then I think when my first part of my interview, he didn't have a mask. And when I went down to hypnosis, I said he had a mask on. So it's really hard to say. Carl mentioned Ray Biondi as being the detective in charge of the Majori case. Detective Biondi may be familiar as some of our listeners.

In the same year the Majorees were murdered, he would go on to catch Sacramento's infamous vampire killer, Richard Trenton Chase. He joined us to discuss the early investigation in the Majori murders. He even read aloud for us from the actual reports that he prepared 41 years ago. On February 2nd, 1978, around 7 o'clock in the evening, it was their nightly routine to walk their dog after dinner each night. They left their residence, which was an apartment complex, within this screaming female, and shots, and then more shots. We were called to the scene, and what we determined, the victims were created from the scene by the time I got there. But what we were able to piece together was

that Brian and Katie were walking on an adjacent street when they were confronted by a gunman. This gunman chased them through the backyard of the residence, and between this residence and the next residence on another street, a fence had blown down because of a high wind in the area. Obviously ran around the side of the house that they went into the backyard, and he went to the blind side of the backyard.

There was no fence. Some of the shots fired by the gunman actually went through the glass door of that residence where the people were watching television. Katie, meanwhile, ran to the other side of the... It appeared that she tripped on a flower bed there, and that's where the gunman caught up with her and shot her, and that's where the screams could be heard from various neighbors.

It was kind of unusual about to cry. crime is it was 7 o'clock in the evening and there was still like them. I mean, people were out and about. It wasn't like a late middle night. Why would a gunman confront a couple walking down the street? Neighbors next door and others in the area reported numerous sightings of an individual running. One that seemed most interesting, or at least was one of a comprehensive compilation of many sightings, but generally it was a white male, about six foot, six foot two, the eyes and nose showing, more like a skier's waist-lint jacket with a dark color stain on the lower right side. His jacket was interesting in that there were other sightings who said that there was a

military insignia or a patch on the side of the jacket. as some describe as a brown leather jacket. Most consistently, they were talking about a brown leather jacket, and probably had anywhere from five to seven different people that saw this male running. In one instance, when the neighbor witnessed that they appeared to have a gun in the crime scene, what was interesting is the ski mask on, and in the backyard at the side of the backyard where Brian was shot,

places that obviously had just come out of the package. They were still having the new kinks in them, but they were tied in such a fashion as to make like the county had been suffered from a whole series of rapes called the East Area Rapists. And the signature of this particular rapist was that he wore a ski mask, he used new shoe laces to bind his victims. And in the In some cases, had even confronted male and female victims outside of a residence, ordered them back in at gunpoint. Initially, Brian worked in the security police at Mather. His job was to take care of all the tickets and the traffic situation on the base.

Katie worked at the local gas station and had been bothered by a couple, at least one individual. We had other aspects that surfaced initially. There was a security guard who worked in the area, who that night carried a similar kind of gun that was responsible. Very unusual behavior following that night, and his wife said he had locked himself in his room for like two days. There were several other males that were in the area, many who fit the description,

but none of these came to fruition. The first witness who was actually next door to the scene and saw an individual run from the area of the bushes about where bushes and fenced and was shot, that is probably the most viable sighting, and that individual was wearing the ski mask. Again, the light brown jacket. Throughout the whole area who were seeing this young guy running,

had a jacket on, had two colored stripes on the shoulders, others military patches. But basically it sounded like he was wearing a jacket. In the days following the murders, police released sketches of what appeared to be two different men. Weeks later, they revised the sketches and settled on one single man that they were looking for.

But over the years, this has led to some confusion and speculation that there may have been two different gunmen involved. Evidence or information that from the very outset from the scene that there was any more than just one gunman. And why there's two sketches, I'm not sure. One of the possibilities that's been mentioned over the years is that the majories knew their shooter. And that might explain just why the killer went out of his way to kill Katie after shooting Brian. That was one theory. But it, in the open, he actually know him. We were never able to determine.

the why. The strongest evidence led towards maybe the East Area rapist. And I say maybe, because up to that point, there had been a whole series of rapes, but no one had been shot or injured in any serious way. And what was interesting is after this case, there was only one more case that was attributed to East Area Rapists, and that was in the city of Sacramento. We asked Ray, how long he worked the Majorie case? Right up until 1993 along with other ones that we tried to solve. And then there were other detectives to case up and continue to work. And that's why there is additional information that's new to me, actually.

We wanted to know if Ray and other detectives considered a possible connection to the East Area rapist at the time of the murders. Initially, I didn't even think of it until I was told I'm not the one who found the the shoelaces. The ski mask, I was kind of suspicious about that because I was aware of the East Air Rapists, but then the shoelaces kind of really made it

sound like a very viable lead. This is what it could be. But we continued on all the other avenues, and there were many. It was a very high-profile case, close to the Air Force base, and the fact that these were just a young couple, and there was

nothing in their background. who could explain why anybody would target them. Ray looked at hundreds of suspects during his handling of the majority case. He told us about his favorite. The security guard at first looked really good because he worked that area. And it was an individual who had been suspected and arrested for nothing similar to the right kind of gun. And as far as another gun did not compare. As Ray mentioned, he retired in 19.

and other detectives would inherit the majority case. Along the way, theories, confusion, and general misinformation have plagued the majority murders. Rumors of Brian being silenced because he was involved in bringing down a military drug ring had been mentioned. A mysterious man who was supposed to get Brian and Katie CB lessons on the night of their murders has been discussed. But perhaps the most confusion has been in the several witness accounts following the shooting, which led to multiple sketches being released to the public.

For years, investigators of the majority murders debated amongst themselves whether or not the East Area rapist was responsible for the murders. The pre-tied shoelaces found at the crime scene was something that was held back from the public for a long time. In the suburbs of D.C., a woman fails to show up for work and is found brutally murdered. I wonder what's emergency?

We just walked in the door and there's blood in the foyer. For the next two decades, the kids, Case remained unsolved until new technology allowed investigators to do what had once been impossible. A new series from ABC Audio in 2020, Blood and Water. Listen now, wherever you get your podcasts. In June of 2016, to mark the 40-year anniversary of the first confirmed East Area Rapist Attack, investigators in Sacramento held a press conference with the FBI in attendance. where they officially linked the Majori murders to the East Area Rapist. If you look at the image on the far left, that will be the image that's going to be on the billboards.

That comes from a 1978 murder of Brian and Katie Maggiore, which has been attributed to the East Area Rapest. Essentially, Brian and Katie were out walking their dog in Ranch Cordova, and we're confronted by an individual that through basically, an M.O. Link, we know to be the East Area Rapist, at which point he chased them into a backyard, and he shot and killed both of them on that day. So our best sketch comes from that particular case, and that's why we're releasing that one. This would have been what he most likely looked like back in February of 1978, based on a number of witnesses that saw this exchange. in that early evening hours. Detective Sergeant Ken Clark of the Sacramento County Sheriff's Department

is one of the investigators who inherited the Majori case. And he joined us to try and clear up some of the confusing aspects. In this lengthy and very detailed segment, Ken told us why investigators are confident that the East Area rapists murdered the Majorees. So it's a pretty long segment, but it's loaded with valuable information about the majority murders and the ties to the East Area Rapist.

Well, the case had been worked over the years by successive detectives that were in the Homicide Bureau. And it had, by the time I got there, just had a pretty refreshed look in 2001 when the DNA was matched between the Northern California rape series known as the East Area Rapist and the Southern California murder series known as the original Nightstalker. They had gone through and looked at it at that time and done some collating of files as a lot of stuff had gotten separated over the years and they requested full copies of reports related to the East Area Rapist investigation. And homicide files are kept in homicide. So those were in much better condition than the East Area Rapist files, which had kind of been, unfortunately, spread around a little bit within the department. They were initially investigated by our sexual assault bureau and ended up coming over, homicide as a result of the murders and there was some other other places they went because allied agencies obviously had cases as well so it was there when I first arrived but it was not

it needed some organization and it needed to be checked to make sure that we had everything the main issue we had was that you don't know what you don't have so you go through a case and you're not really sure if you've gotten all the documentation and that was the case with this particular case. I had to do some rounding up of things, and it is a process that took some years because of just the nature of a 40-year-plus investigation. Probably started all of this in early 2006.

I was finishing up the training process in 2005 and had my plate pretty full with homicides, but I had pulled it. And then not too long after, I want to say, I just started reading it, and there was a lead that came in related to the Maggiore case, and it was a fingerprint, and I was able to research that fingerprint, and it immediately piqued my interest. Obviously, you first get to a case, and all of a sudden there's a fingerprint hitting.

There hadn't been one for 20 years, you can imagine. I was pretty excited. And then come to find out, it was innocently left fingerprint by somebody who we already knew had had access to one of the areas that were fingerprinted. So in that respect, it was a lead that just kind of, if you will, got me started. And I was able to resolve it within a couple of days. And then from there, I was off to the races. Well, I can't speak for all of the original investigators because there were a lot of people

that worked on this case. And inspector and then Lieutenant Ray Biondi had probably the first initial, you know, investigative portion of it. there was a lot of detectives working on his team that also were working on it. And they probably had many theories on what they thought or didn't think was involved here. I contacted many of them early on to get their take on the case in my reading of it, and I close read it a couple of times. Being able to look back over the entire 40-year investigation as it stood,

I had developed some of my own opinions, but I wanted to do. to hear from them. And what I received was somewhat mixed. I got some people who were pretty, obviously pretty certain back then that the East Area Rapist was probably the culprit. And there were others that thought now, in hindsight, in retrospect, after clearing out all of the leads that they did work, that, you know, that there was clearly a chance the East Area Rapist was responsible, but they weren't as certain back then. And then there was investigators that just didn't know. Very few certainly indicated that they absolutely thought that the East Area Rapists was not involved. But there was, you know, individuals that had varying opinions on whether he was or wasn't,

with some very strongly that he was and some not as strong. And if I could step back just a little bit. We actually did a program. It was one of the first that we'd ever been asked to do in the modern era by a show called THS Investigates. and a man by the name of Todd Lindsay had come out and interviewed us about that case and about the Eastern Rapids series in general. And we in, I want to say it was 2008, but I'm sure it's easy to research when that program came out on THS Investigates.

But in any event, that was, I believe, the first time we publicly linked it in the modern era to the possible series. So if you go back and look at that, there's quite a bit of talk about the links. And that was, I believe, the first time we also publicly acknowledge the finding of shoelaces in the backyard where the murders occurred that were pre-tied. There's the, the MO links in the Maggiore case are numerous, and that was probably a very strong one. And it was one that many of the officers and detectives that were first on scene had noted. and was definitely of interest to them. To me, it was of interest because just the rarity of a pre-tied shoelace being found anywhere.

I mean, there's simply not something you see lying around, especially in the backyard of a murder suspect where the suspect emerges on the other side with a ski mask on. So that was a fairly telling clue to me. And though there had probably been talk in the media, and I know there had been talk about bindings of victims and various things, it seems like the presence of pre-tied shoelaces was just a bit too much to ignore for me. And when I researched the knot that was used, it also was pretty clear that it was the knot that was favored by the offender.

We know as the East Derry Rapist, and he had used it most commonly. And there was a couple dozen or at least 20 events where he had used that very not. So that was a unique MO trait to me, but there were many others as well. One witness saw him with the ski mask, and I believe that was released during the time period, but we will be re-releasing it. And by the time this airs, it may well have already been released. But in any event, there was several skis. sketch is done of people who thought the offender was running through the area. And they had seen

individuals that they felt were behaving oddly or in some way had something with them. In one case, a handgun that it obviously alerted them that this was not a normal person in the neighborhood. So we did get different sketches from people along the route of his egress from that crime scene. there were also some sketches done prior to the crime scene i should say it was a sketch is done by an individual who saw the couple subjects prior to the crime scene and in the subsequent days of the investigation though it took quite a while she did identify an individual a young girl 11 years old she identified an individual that was a match for one of the composites that she had done. And then she ended up having looked at about 80 photos before she made that ID.

So it wasn't like she was picking the first guy she saw. She was patient and seemed very earnest to find the person she thought it was. And she picked somebody. When detectives went back, they had looked at statements. They had taken statements. And the individual that she selected had made them. this statement indicating that he was in the area at the time and would have been passing very likely through that area, though he doesn't mention that street specifically. It is on the

route that he would have taken to get from his residence, which was at the time on Lalamud Drive, south of Folsom Boulevard, I'm sorry, north of Folsom Boulevard, to the Cordova Meadows school grounds and what is now Taylor Park, on West Luloma. And he is with a second person per the statements we received, and that second person also confirms the story. Neither of these two individuals was very familiar with the street names in the Ranch of Cordova area. So when you read the statements, you have to drill down a bit because there's some confusion based on the street names they give, but they wind up at the same destination, which is Cordova Meadows School and Taylor Park to the west end of the school.

And if you look at the streets that they actually say they traveled on, it would have put them in a different place. And the area, even that they say they came back to their apartment, is that from Cordova Meadows Park. So some of that confusion, I think, is what led to the two-suspect theory, I call it, continuing to kind of... breathe you know be alive so that lead itself in my mind was adequately cleared uh you have each subject admitting they were present in the neighborhood and that particular area would have been the exact area we would expect that they would have traversed also uh the young girl who saw them reported that they were walking from east to west uh towards west leloma and she saw them at a point about

mid-block on LaGloria Drive, and she last saw them, essentially, at LaGloria Drive and West La Loma. With a slight trip to the north from that location, you would be at Cordova Meadows School and Taylor Park, which is where they said they were heading. Both of those men said that by the time they reached the park, and to give some perspective, the girl said that it was about three to five minutes prior to when she heard the shots fired that she'd seen these two men. She described them disappearing at the corner, as I said, of West LaLoma and LaGlora,

but then the men say that when they reached the park is when they first heard shots. And they walked around the perimeter of the park to the north and came back down, met up with Las Casas Drive, and then down back to La Loma, where they said that when they arrived on La Loma, headed to their apartment, they saw the ambulance that. had just arrived, which was there very quickly in response to the shootings. So the two suspects being seen together only occurred one time. And those individuals were eliminated, though from their statements, it's not clear that all of the individuals that were investigating the case were able to see right away that the

explanation for these men being on the street, as described by the 11-year-old, was indeed these two men. To add to that, the individuals that were in the neighborhood and seen there to the north, when the shots get fired, the first we see of the suspect is he's alone. And so he is in the backyard of a residence on LaGloria Drive. We don't know how Brian and Katie came to be in that yard. And there's many theories about that, but their dog ended up in a swimming pool in that yard. And it was a small dog, a poodle.

So when Brian and Katie end up leaving that yard, they're witnessed moving through that yard by a resident who is in an upstairs window. And he gets a pretty good look at at least the activity going on. And the subjects are running through the yard and they end up going through a section of blown down fence. Apparently there have been some storms and the fence between the backyard of the home on LaGloria and the backyard of the home to the south. on La Allegria Drive was traversable just with walking directly over it because the fence was completely blown down. So the witness from the upstairs sees the subjects, all of them in the yard, the two clearly fleeing to try and get away from the man.

And he just describes the man as being a dark figure, a figure in dark clothing. He doesn't indicate whether he has no features of any of these subjects, but he hears the woman screaming. when the first shots are fired, he actually sees the muzzle flashes. The male falls towards the patio area, and he can see this. And then he sees the arm of the offender extended, and it looks like he fires again at the male subject, probably while on the ground. Though from the distance, it was difficult for him to see, and again, it was dark. He then saw the offender run around the east side of the residence, which was the,

portion of the residence where there was a locked gate and a fireplace, the brick, the outside portion on the house of a fireplace. Katie, we know, was unable to get over the fence in time, and the male subject shot her, and she unfortunately passed away, as did Brian. Both were transported, but neither one of them made it. The male subject is seen for the first time outside that yard, jumping over that fence. And at the time that he goes over the fence, he has a bit of trouble because he's caught in some bushes. So a witness that is three houses away to the west,

here's the commotion, heard the first shots fired, exits his home, is standing in his driveway, and then here's the next volley of shots, which is the shots we believe killed, Katie and then he hears the subject wrestling around in these bushes. The subject writes himself and the first our witness becomes aware of him visually is a man wearing a ski mask, a dark brown leather coat with possibly jeans or similar kind of pants and then shoes that don't make

noise is running down the sidewalk to the west, passes the one residence that is next to the yard that he had jumped into, if you will, or jumped out of and then into the front yard area. And then he ends up running up on the common area between the two homes, onto the lawn, gets to probably about 20 to 25 feet from the witness. And then he immediately changes direction, runs across. the street and then onto the side yard of a home that's on the south side of La Allegria Drive. That home, he has seen running along that side yard by the residents across the street, one of whom made a statement in the past, in the crime report, but was unaware of anything other

than the suspect ran across the street after seeing the witness. I spoke to another resident within the last few weeks that was on the other that was in the house and she said the suspect ran right by the window on the side yard and she saw his shadow and then she heard him hit the fence in the backyard very consistent with the next witness so the witness that sees him jump the fence from the yard that i just mentioned sees him emerge onto capitalis drive she sees him running and he runs right past her and then heads towards the intersection of Capitalis and West Laloma. She describes him as wearing a, like a ski type coat, some, you know, a heavier coat with epaulets or some kind of different coloring on the top portion.

She thought the color might be green. And then she just said that he had a pistol, looked like a revolver to her with wooden handles in his back pocket. And then he continued running and he shielded his face from her. And with his arm and jacket and then ran on to the next street over. And I forget the name of the street, but he continues up towards Las Casas, where he is then seen by other people. and some of the residents see him with an object in his hand that appears to be made of cloth, but about the size of a football.

And this is a point of conjecture here, but I think that could have been the handgun wrapped in the ski mask. Because again, once he emerged out of the yard where he had run off of La Allegria onto Capitalis, he no longer has that ski mask on. So my thoughts on that, you probably don't want to be running around a neighborhood with a ski mask on once you've gotten out of the immediate hot zone. So that's speculation on my part, but it makes sense that that would draw more attention once you're away from the primary crime scene than you would want to do.

He continues up and he ends up on Las Casas up near where it turns into, I believe it's Las Palos. And he has seen by several subjects there. And one of them, he slows down and he kind of comes out from behind a bush after, hiding for a little bit, probably checking his sick, so to speak, and looking behind to see if anyone's following him and realizing nobody is. And he's been running for a while, so he's probably got a little bit of a need a little breather. And he realizes he's been seen because there's a male and a female, and he immediately rips his jacket up over his face so he can't be seen and makes the comment, oh, excuse me, I'm trespassing, which if you follow this case, our offenders seems to

to like phrases like that. He says odd things. I mean, that's an odd thing to say when you are a criminal that's running from a double murder. So that is the last sighting of him and then he is gone. The descriptions were somewhat different

or similar, but they had differences, some subtle, but the reality is that as long as I've been doing this job as a homicide detective and I've had no less than probably 200 cases that I've worked in the time period since I've been here. Witnesses frequently disagree on details.

They're operating from a frame of reference. They're operating from a vantage point that may differ from a different witness. They have different experiences in life, different experiences with what they see and how to describe it. You have to deal with the person who's questioning them may introduce some bias unintentionally. may ask them a question that that leads them to think of something else or answer in a certain way, things that they say can be misinterpreted. So it really can, is not something that we typically hang our head on these slight differences

in description. And in this case, it's no different. The general offender description remains the same. But the most important thing about the description is only one man is seen in the yards shooting Brian and Katie. Only one man is seen coming over the fence after that shooting with a ski mask on. And only one man is seen running through that neighborhood for his life after committing this double murder. There are no two men and there never was. And that is something that I think hampered this investigation and made this case more difficult to solve

because the two suspects were put out into the media and rightfully so because that's the best information they had in the portion of the investigation when you had to do these kind of releases. But unfortunately, it took a long time. Many, many photos shown to the young girl who saw two men together, many interviews to do. And really, it was a period of many weeks before they were able to come to the information that, when interpreted, holistically, leads you to believe that the two individuals that were seen by the young girl had nothing to do with this. And so one man has seen fleeing that scene and one and only one man was ever involved in my opinion. The origin of that sketch was a woman who had seen the offender reported what she told

or what she had seen to the sheriff's department, but it was about a month later or a little bit more. So I don't believe that the reasoning, I don't think she fully knew what she had seen until seeing some of the coverage. And she believed that she had seen the man based on everything that she was advised. So she had an idea on the description to this man and then associated the event that she saw with him. She apparently got a clear look at him per her statement

as he was moving past her house and he was unaware of her presence because of where she was standing in her yard. So she got a bit of an unguarded look at him until he was out, you know, realized that she was, was there and then of course he started taking some countermeasures but uh we think that or looking at the report it appears as though they um felt that since so few people had gotten a look at this guy's face that she got the best look uh some of the other sketches were were individuals that were

uh seen in the area but not as directly associated with the crime because as i said all the witnesses that were on record uh he's covering his face and doing other things they're only able to make out the most general of features such as height and weight and that kind of thing. And when they did release that sketch, I want to note that he had not hit Sacramento Sheriff's patrol jurisdiction since the murders. So though he was completely driven out of town or appears to have left town by mid-April of 1978, he had already left Sacramento Sheriff's Department jurisdiction. His next attack was a Stockton attack following the Maggioree double murder, and then the attack following that, and the last for the county at all, was in the pocket area of Sacramento, which is a place he had never hit before and isn't really close at all the sheriff's jurisdiction.

So he was already showing different patterns of stocking and attacks at the very night of the sheriff's jurisdiction. at the very night of the attack on the Maggiore's. And so to me, I do think the sketch being released may have been a triggering thing, but we don't know which sketch because he's already changing his behavior as a result of the double shooting. And the stakes for high. You know, he may or may not have killed before this event, but this event was a double murder. And that's a very serious thing. So whatever he had done before, though horrific, paled in comparison to this double murder.

and he probably was well aware that all the resources that were already coming to catch him, now you can add to that an entire Bureau of Homicide Detectives and numerous other officers that support the homicide unit. So I'm sure he realized that the stakes just went higher. The Air Force Police, security police and such on Mather was the unit that Brian worked. And so our detectives spent a lot of time on the base working with them, and certainly the higher ups on the base to try to figure out if somebody that might have worked with Brian, you know, could have been involved or had information about it. So their initial role with us was mostly cooperation because the murders took place, though, a service member and his wife took place off base. And so they didn't have jurisdiction over that crime.

the local agency did. They worked with us very closely during that time period, as best as I can tell based on the reports, and it was a cooperative relationship. I know that in recent years, the Air Force's OSI, or I believe that's what it's called, special investigation office,

kind of took a look at this case and realized that, you know, it was an unsolved murder of a military person, person off base. And so they came and offered some support and some additional documents that they didn't know if we did or didn't have. And so we had a couple of meetings with them. And they worked a couple of the angles that had to do with things going on and the base itself. I'd like to talk a little bit too with the, you know, the Maggioree murder about some of the incidents and activities going on in the neighborhood right around where they lived on Laverta

Court that also increase, in my mind, the probability that these cases are linked. At the time period that Brian and Katie were killed, there had been an absence of activity following the summer of 77 in the Rancho Cordova area. It was, though I think there was still small-scale things going on, there had not been a rape there since, I believe, the 15th rape of the series are around there. And in a couple weeks to a month that led up to the murder, there are documented in the report itself. And I also found other reports in the crime period, or I'm sorry, in the crimes associated with it in that area. several other cases. And including La Verde Court itself, there was a young female that lived there that had been

receiving hang-up calls every night for a week prior to the murders. The person would say nothing and then hang up. These calls all occurred at the same time, which was 8 p.m. There has been no calls since the night of the murder to this woman. Then she also didn't get a call the night of the murder. In the 2,700 block of Laloma Drive, there was a young couple living there, and they'd moved in in the fall of 77. At night, they were suffering some significant prowler activity, and they actually had a burglary in the late winter, so it would be just maybe a month or so before the murders in 1977. In that burglary, undergarments that had belonged to the wife had been taken.

They also found throughout the entire period around Christmas that the gates and doors, of their residents were open. And this whole thing had led them to think someone had been entering their home, but they never found anything missing. We get over to the 2,600 block of Capitolis drive, which is, you know, so far as you can see, these are streets that I've discussed as an area of egress for our suspect. And in that block of Capitolis, there's a young female that resided there and said that she had prowler activity for steady two weeks before the murder and was receiving many phone calls

where the caller would say absolutely nothing and then hung up. In the 2,700 block of Toro Court, which is a very nearby court, there's a 25-year-old female that experienced extremely heavy prowler problems, and these were going on just a little over a month before the murders and continued up to the point of the murder. She had found shoe prints outside her bedroom window and made police reports about it. Her gate was constantly being left open, and that is a trait. Everything I'm mentioning people familiar with the case, know what we would consider EAR activity.

And she had this going on all the time in the month prior to these murders. She would try to secure the gate and the person, whoever it was, would actually damage the gate to gain entry. So you try to fix the gate and he just goes right through it or damages it in such a way that he can still use it. And then most interestingly, she, in the areas where she had found shoe prints under the windows, She also found drawings on one of the windows beneath where she had found footprints. I'm sorry, above where she'd found footprints. And the drawings were in bodily fluids. And I'll leave it at that.

I spoke to her and interviewed her myself and confirmed this. In the 2,600 block of Sobronte Drive, which is also right there within a couple of blocks of the murder scene, there was a married couple in their early 20s. And they reported that they had suffered a burglary about four months before the murder with nothing taken, and they had seen an unusual subject in their backyard more recently. Also in the 2,600 block of Sobrante, there was a male in his 20s and a couple of female roommates in their 20s that had heavy prowler activity throughout the summer of 77, and they had had numerous phone calls of a hang-up nature received since that time up to

the murder. Going back to the 2,600 block of Capitolis Drive again, a married couple in the early 20s reported that beginning a week prior to the murder, hang up phone calls where the caller would say nothing and disconnect were going on constantly. In the 10,000 block of El Torito Drive, a female in her 30s was suffering a nighttime burglary three nights before the murder where nothing was taken. She wasn't home at the time, so it's not a cat burglary, but it was yet a nighttime burglary where she had been out and returned, both leaving and coming after dark. back to the 2,500 block of Capitalis. I'm sorry, I just read that one. No, no, I'm sorry. 2,500 block of Capitalis, a female in her 20s

suffered another nighttime attempted burglary on the night of the murder. The entry was thwarted to the sliding glass door because she had a secondary security device that kept the door from opening. She also had a lot of prowler activity in the area. And most interestingly, to me, in the 10-100 block of LawGloria Drive,

house right across the street from where the suspect and victims initially were in or encountered one another, a female in her late 30s and other females in the home reported numerous suspicious hang-up phone calls in the one week prior to the murder. They received all these calls at 8 o'clock at night. Call it would say nothing, just remain on the phone briefly and then disconnect. They got the final call from whomever was. making those calls on the night of the murder at 8 o'clock in the evening, just a little over an hour before Brian and Katie were killed. So those events seem are indicative to me of EAR activity,

and those are all going on in the time period immediately preceding those two murders. So I think that that is something that can't be overlooked. In addition, you know, Katie, Maggiorea worked at the regal gas station on Folsom Boulevard, and she reported a stalker. She had reported that a male in a blue VW bug would park across the street from her and on Folsom Boulevard and just watch her. He did it for a couple of hours and did it several times. And then one time she finally went to confront him and she walked across the street. But before she could get all the way across Folsom Boulevard to confront him, he drove off.

She goes back to the business and in a couple of hours he'd return to the location again and watched her. She quit her job two weeks after that stalking event. Um, her and the coworker also were receiving phone calls from an unknown male at the business. And the person would simply say, your turn is coming. A couple of the other workers had received, uh, phone calls from another male, unknown if it's this male or not, uh, describing the rapes that have been occurring at other, uh, gas stations and asking you what they knew about them. Um, it was odd to them. And then, of course, after, uh, after Katie passed, it was murdered.

Um, these things kind of, you know, started taking on a different, uh, possible meeting. So I think that's pretty much it for the Maggiore case. But it is possible again, because Katie had reported that she'd picked up this stalker and it was going on and it did scare her. And, you know, that that's always opened up a possibility for me that Brian, you know, either she may have recognized the individual because she had seen him and maybe pointed him out to Brian. So he's not even there for Katie on that particular night. but maybe he's in the neighborhood doing something he's not supposed to do. And at about 9 p.m., that was a prowling peep time for him and maybe a berg time,

but not usually a rape time. So maybe he was doing some of those prowl peep type activities. And Katie recognized him or said something to Brian. Hey, Brian, I've been telling you about that guy, there he is. Well, Brian being everything we heard about him and has not just his protectiveness of Katie, but the fact that he was a base policeman would probably have confronted and tried to at least identify the man for referral or whatever he was going to do. So that is a possibility.

It's one of many. I mean, I've entertained several related to how that could have ended up in a confrontation in the backyard of a house that neither, none of the parties involved in the confrontation lived. But that's something that I had considered. At the time period, the CB radio craze was pretty prolific, and a lot of people were doing that. and Brian and Katie had apparently become interested in it and had met some of the C-Bers and had been talking to a couple of them about providing, you know, some instruction and kind of, you know, how to work the radios and how to do that kind of stuff.

And it does appear that when this happened, that they were going to be meeting with an individual who was going to help them. And that individual was interviewed and I'm pretty confident in, the initial exclusion, they did not feel he was involved in the investigation. And there's other subjects that were kind of involved in that as well, that were actually closer friends of theirs that came up over the normal course of the investigation and then the CB angle was mentioned in their interviews as well. One interesting thing that recently came to light was that Brian and Katie before moving to their apartment on Laverta Court in 1978 had lived at 10680 Coloma Road. This was

across the street from the 7-Eleven where the botched 1977 stakeout occurred. Katie Majore's brother knew the apartment well, and he remembered the 7-Eleven. I wouldn't spend the summer with them, you know, at times. So I'm well aware of that apartment. It was an upstairs apartment right there on Coloma Road. The fact that a man suspected of being the East Area rapist frequented the 7-Eleven across the street from Brian and Katie's old apartment opens up some interesting possibilities. one of which is that they may have known the East Area rapists from their time on Coloma Road

and perhaps he could have been one of their neighbors. If they caught him out prowling in the neighborhood and recognized him, it could explain the need for him to make sure that both Brian and Katie were dead. But the most accepted police theory is that Brian, being an Air Force police officer, may have confronted the East Area rapist when he spotted him prowling and that Brian and Katie were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Wherever the answer lies, it seems as if the stalking, prowling, and rapes that had plagued the eastern portion of Sacramento for so long,

ended with the Majori murders. The East Area rapist wouldn't turn up again for over a month. And when he did, it would shock everyone when he struck back in the city of Stockton. On March 18th, 1978, police officer sergeant Tom Spivey was on patrol in the city of Stockton. It had been six months since the East Area Rapist had struck there. But Stockton Police were on high alert. Knowing that there had not been another attack in Sacramento County in a month, Stockton Police, they didn't want to take any chances that the East Area rapists would come back to their city.

Stockton had their own East Area Rapist Task Force. We started what we called the East Area Rapist Task Force, and we had people on stakeout really undercover. A real term of that, I mean, under tarps and stuff, in backyards where they could look around the lake with binoculars and see if anybody was walking. Because no backyards, no fences in the backyard of these homes. And that was going on for quite some time. time. And my involvement was I wasn't involved in that. I was a patrol sergeant, so we were running shifts, about 50 or so guys on a shift, guys and gals. And so as time went by, I was thinking about, well, if he's ever going to hit here in Stockton again, where would be a likely spot he

would show up because he probably knows this task force is out there. And, and, and, and, he would maybe avoid that. So I just in my mind, just on my own, I came up with the idea that if he came back to Stoughton, commit a crime, or he lived here, who knew back then? And I thought he might go to an area of town called Park Woods, an older area of town, affluent area of older homes, tree line, and very close to Interstate 5. And the major boulevards in Stockton, to make an escape. So I started, knowing I didn't have beat responsibility because I was the North Sergeant at the time, so I could go anywhere I wanted to go.

I started just patrolling around in this area, this affluent area where we never had a police car, hardly ever. And I was doing that night after night after night for two, three hours when I could, and then the next night. So this particular night, we did have another attack, and it happened to be exactly in that area of town. And I had been driving around that area for probably two hours and had the kill lights on the car, you know, using those. So there was no break lights, no lightening of any kind. And just coasting along.

I remember the night was very still. Might have been a little bit of haze in the air, maybe a little fog, as I recall, but it was very still. I could hear dogs barking. I could hear everything with windows rolled down because you're listening to see if you're going to come up with anything. And I was going along and driving around, and I had been down the particular street where this attack occurred. I'll bet 20 times that night because that's a small area of town. And I had pulled over and was sitting there with the engine still running, idling, with the windows. Now, I'm listening for any noise of a car starting or somebody walking or, you know,

we had, Sacramento thought maybe he came to the scene of these crimes on a bicycle, that type of thing. Tom decided to park on the 1,600 block of Meadow Avenue and watch the area. It was after 2 a.m. And we got a radio call, and the radio call was just that we think there's been an attack, gave out the address, and right where I am parked, I am parked in front of that house. And I jumped out of the car. We had a big kill light, flash lights you put under your arm back in those days. And I started towards a house trying to find an entry point.

And I immediately saw that the side gate, which hadn't been more than 30 feet from me, the side gate was a jar. It was more than a jar. It was that open a couple of feet. And I figured that was the way that he probably went in or came out, and I would go in that way. And I did. And, you know, I'm sweating at this point because I'm thinking, I might be right on top of this guy. He might be leaving, and I might confront him.

But unfortunately or fortunately, I didn't. When I got in the backyard with a flashlight, I was looking around. I saw that the glass slider into the dining room area, as I recall, was open. So that was my entry point. And as I came into the house, it's pitch black, and I'm just moving very slowly and very consciously to see what we've got. and I started calling out, is anybody here? And I heard the female victim say, back here, we're back here. So I made my way to where they were.

I don't think I turned any lights on, which is kind of odd right now when I look back on it, but I was so fixated on what was surrounding me and where I was going in the house. I don't believe I did. But anyway, I did get into the area, a bedroom area where the voice was coming from. And sure enough, there was a male and a female. They were tied back to back on the bed. As I recall, it was like a shoelace material. There's somewhere to shoe lace that she was tied to this man.

And I remember having the presence of mine to not untie the knot, but to cut it loose so that maybe the knot would be important. And she related to me at that point. Of course, immediately I asked her if she could describe this guy and she couldn't. It was all happening too quick with a light in her eye and all this thing. But I put out what we had to the cards that were responding to that area. And she related to me that they were woken in bed with this man,

shining a light in their face, that he had taken charge immediately and had her tie the mail up, tied him up, and then moved her to another location where he laid her on the, in the hallway, laid her down and put dishes and that type of thing on top of her with the idea of course if she started moving, the dishes would fall off and he would know it.

And then he made sure he had him tied up and they did move him to another location in the house and did the same thing with dishes on him. And then subsequently he did forcibly rape the woman. And it was very the story she told me, she said that he

laid her down after he he raped her. He laid her down to another spot in the house, put his hand on her and was just sitting there. And she said he, he removed his hand and he got up and walked away. And she said, I, I waited about, she said 15 minutes, but it was probably like five. And she said, I started to move and he just put his hand on me again. He had left where he was seated with next to her, gone out into some other part of the house, come back.

And she never felt him come back. It was just, she said it was just. just so frightening. And so, you know, later on, as we had detectives arrived at the scene and it was going to get light pretty soon, so we had a chance to look around. We found in the backyard in the planning bed, there were footprints where he was facing the window and he would move sideways. That's how the footprints were lined up. And this particular house, they had removed their window coverings and to have them sent out to be clear. so there was no drapes or anything like that on the window.

So the detectives believed that he probably came in the backyard, spent some time there looking around, looking through the windows or whatnot, waited for them to go to sleep and then made his entry into the house. Very, very, it was very frightening to them. It was a very, very eerie experience for that. But one of the things that was really interesting to me was we found that he had gone out on the front porch. That's the porch facing the street that I had been parked in at one point and consumed two or three cans of beer from their refrigerator.

So apparently what he had done is he had gone outside after he tied them up at some point to kind of see what's going on, anything to worry about. And he probably saw me drive by two or three times. And then I suspect by the time I parked, he probably had already left because they had to get loose enough to, to make a phone call, but he was in and out as quick as he could, if he could be as quietly as he could be. And I remember thinking back, I didn't hear a car engine. I didn't hear anybody running. I didn't hear a motorcycle.

Nothing. He just disappeared. As soon as I was able to get a description, which there was a very little description, male 20s, I think, early 20s, as I recall, she said. But she didn't get a really good look at him. and the man did neither. But as soon as they had that out and knew that other units were responding,

right off the bat, nobody needed to come to the house. I was already at the house. They were going to work the area. But as they did that for probably a half hour to see if anybody was moving, then the next step would be to start canvassing the neighborhood. Did anybody see anything?

Did anybody hear anything? Was anybody prowling in the backyard? Did your dogs bark? That type of thing. But it was a dead end. I mean, he was like a ghost. Once the detectives were on scene, they were able to question the two victims. The 24-year-old woman who was a sales manager and her 29-year-old boyfriend and attorney.

The pair told the investigators that the intruder had woke them up at about 1 a.m. The woman described the rapist as being in his 20s about 510 and 160 pounds. She said that he had a small. pot belly and a very small penis that was no more than three inches erect. But the 29-year-old boyfriend gave a slightly different description of the attacker. He estimated him to be about 6 foot 1 and thin, but both said that the man wore a black ski mask that covered his entire face. The victims recounted that the attacker had carried a flashlight in his left hand and a gun

in his right, that the attacker told them was a three-fifference. The attacker's ammo was the same as most East Area rapist attacks. He gained control, told them he only wanted money and food, and then bound the victim's hands behind their back before separating them and raping the female victim. During the sexual attack, he called the woman by her first name. He also said something to her that stood out during the rape, which was, This is how me fuck. When the assailant talked to the male victim, he said, if I hear these dishes,

then I'm going to kill your girlfriend. So the attacker knew that the pair was not married. The victims told police that only three days before, there had been a prowler in their yard, and they also relayed that there had been a prowler in their yard in the month of January and the month of February as well. And in the weeks leading up to the attack, they had come home to find that the locks on their doors were damaged.

Additionally, they had been receiving phone calls where someone asked for people that did not live in the home, and the couple just assumed it was someone calling a wrong number. The victims determined that their attacker had stolen cash, jewelry, and the female victim's driver's license. When police questioned neighbors, they discovered that several had information about odd events in the area prior to the attack. One woman reported seeing cars that didn't belong in the neighborhood parked in front of her house during the overnight hours. These included a faded VW van and a green Ford. The same faded van was reported driving slowly through the neighborhood. The driver was described as white male in his early 20s with blonde hair. Just two days before the attack, a woman on that street received a phone call from a man who asked her if she would talk to him while he masturbated.

And just 45 minutes before the attack, another neighbor woke up to see a man trying to open her sliding glass door. She quickly woke up her husband, but when they investigated, the person was gone. It's so frustrating to see all these warning signs leading up to the attacks and see so many missed opportunities. And I have to ask, why is no one calling the police during all of these incidents? only 45 minutes before this attack, people wake up to somebody trying to get in their home and they don't call police, that's the frustrating part about this case. Yeah, I agree with you more. If it's frustrating, you know, when we talk about these attacks, but then also talk about all of the different things that happened in an area leading up to the attack, even sometimes on the same night as the attack, just so many missed opportunities. I don't know how else to say it. But I think this is a good spot to wrap up episode seven.

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