Critical Role & Sagas of Sundry - Quests N’ Answers | Inside Sagas of Sundry: Goblin Mode Ep. 20

Episode Date: March 19, 2025

Welcome to Quests N’ Answers, the companion series to Sagas of Sundry: Goblin Mode! ***Spoilers ahead for episode 20***   Join Dan Casey and cast members Amy Vorpahl, Jason Nguyen, and Danielle Radford as they break down the biggest moments of Goblin Mode episode 20, “No Gods No Masters” and look back at season one. The final episode of the season was full of twists, turns, and a floor that was literally lava, so join as we dive deep into the Goblin Mode season finale! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And folks, I think it should go without saying, especially if you're watching this or listening to this, you have made it to the bitter, sweet end. That means there are going to be spoilers, not just for the finale of Goblin mode, but the entire campaign. So we're going to be looking back at the entire of the series with a special focus on what just happened in the previous episode.

We are so excited about what's to come and we're so excited for the story we got to tell. So first and foremost, thank you to everyone out there who's listened, watched, supported us, joined us on this journey. It's been the privilege of a lifetime for us to tell this story and thank you from everyone in front of the camera and behind the scenes. It's just been a real blast getting to make something special and put it out into the world for all of you folks to experience alongside us. So with that said, I want to start off by talking about the episode that just unfolded the epic finale, episode 20 of Goblin Mode. And this was one, it was full of so many epic set pieces, so many unexpected moments, and definitely a long overdue encounter. It was a nice bookend to the series.

It began with the Esther Dusters, and it ended with the Esther Dusters. Or rather, we ended the Esther Dusters. I mean, it was some really, really bad roles. And yeah, I mean, they're powerful adventurers. And the fact that you were able to take them down kind of one by one does give really poetic justice to where you started out in a pit running from them. And then where you are now, which was defeating them one magma at a time. Yeah, the magma did kind of worse damage to them. to you, like the environment.

I was like, what is happening? You gave us a very, I thought, cool choice at the beginning of the episode. It was like a boon from Euthis. Yes. She granted us a choice. She would either restore us to full HP or restore our spell slots.

And Phibbs chose to restore his spell slots despite sitting pretty at 3HP the entire episode. Yes. Wow. But I did this because one of the things the staff of Roll Bear that lets Fibbs do is take these different forms. And you said the tree has 100 HP, the giant boa constrictor snake in the Monster Manual has 60 HP.

So I'm like, okay, well, I will switch forms if I'm getting low. And I will switch forms just to stay alive. But I just tried to wait until the bitter end to finally morph back into fibs and hope for the best that I didn't get hit by like a passing crow or something. Yeah, that I was doing, like by the end of it, it was like, oh, they have all artifacts of the Sundari. That is many and very powerful stuff. And, you know, I wrote them to be like, well, if they got one, well, that would be amazing. And if they got two, wow, with how powerful.

But you wound up, especially like, you plucked the ring of Sigridor right off of Tagernuk. Before he burned to death. Yeah, melted. Yeah, yeah. I think that definitely of everyone, Tonganook had the most brutal demise. He just couldn't get a leg up, man. He couldn't catch a break.

He can catch, he can cast a pretty. Hubbard and Louf's webs, set on fire, immediately. Attacked by a snake, shot in the face. And, you know, it's, if he would have been able to reveal that I was not actually, that Busy was not actually losing. Oh, yeah, he couldn't.

He was the only one who knew. He was the only one he was the only one. even suspected, which is why he had to die. Narc's die. But everyone, you see get stitches. So busy. Your speech of like, oh no, you're just days over, go home early. Like the other two just bought it. And that

like wouldn't have happened if you weren't level four and if you didn't take the actor feet and like all of that was just, there was just so many, not favors, but you were in favor. Like the game had your favor in so many ways. And this is, it was definitely like I you know, I had two

so I obviously can't trips I can do for whenever I had one spell slot left because I needed to get my HP back. Yes. And so I'm looking at the things that I can do. And that's why I decided since I have the mask charm that doesn't take a spell slot. So I was like, hey, let's just even if I can't necessarily attack them without, but I know they're powerful, so I would like to not be attacked. I just wanted to, again, distract them and say like, hey, if I can get them to leave, great.

I don't know if that's going to happen. But if I can trick them enough where they're at least confused so that we can get a couple. of rounds on then, every little bit helps. It's a good bookend too because Phibs did disguise self-unzug early and it was like, and it was bad. Trash. Because he never really seen him. Okay.

It was just trashed. It wasn't your fault. Your best was garbage. You didn't take the actor feet. Yeah, it's true. I took the disaster feet. You did like, yeah. I got my feet by the end.

Yeah. I got telekinesis. You were doing everything with that. That was. I mean, I would argue that probably did the most damage with pushing people into lava. It is one of the most, in any game, especially any Star Wars game, it's nothing more joyful than force pushing someone off a ledge. And this was that to the nth degree, because there are arched nemeses, even though they probably haven't thought about us at all since they left.

For them, it was Tuesday. Yeah. Yeah, but it is so playground, like little kid pushing, but it's like, oh yeah, it's not if there's magma on the other side of this step. The floor is lava, so he had been. And then the ceiling was rocks. Yeah. But again, I feel like the freaking yesterdusters took a lot more damage than y'all did. It was perfect to me because I feel like what a beautiful, organic way for the terror squad to be doing combat. Like, I couldn't imagine it any other way.

I'm blasting, you're casting, and Bizzy's lying through teeth. Yeah. That's just how it has to go down. Yeah. Busy, full-on, like, rogue and actor with the actor feet, with the bard stuff, busy is just straight up a con woman. The actor feet is crazy. Oh my God, when you're like, and specifically with disguise self,

I'm like, they didn't know what to do. No. They're just like, all right, boss, sure thing, boss. Yep, that's it. And then they don't attack you. And they were about to leave before the magma started firing up. But it was, Crandall, because, I mean, Crandall doesn't have the actor feats, so Crandall had to be like, ooh, make it, ooh, you're so scary.

He almost blew it. He almost blew it. Yeah, Crandall being Crandall and everything up. He did almost correct things up. Yeah, Crandall was a. He did almost correct things up. He was for me, like I always wanted him to be a magic item that had negative effects. Just him being around is a bad thing.

for you specifically. Obviously he does come with his insights and intelligence that managed to help things out, but it was important that he stuck around. And I think we did see him really, yeah, be a real stinker in this episode too. So I don't know why I like Crandall. I don't think I do.

But it's just like you've gotten so many good magic items. It feels like Crandall has to be this balance in the force negative magic item. Crandall is like when you're on a web page and you get a pop-up saying like, hey, you've been browsing for a while. You should make a free account to keep reading. Yes. Shut up, Crandall.

Just tell me the information. Yeah. If you subscribe, 599. Oh my god, Crandall, it will kill you. And then he just keeps sending you emails like five times a day. I did have a very dark thought when we were all up in the air. I'm like, if Crandall's the only person falling, do I save him? I mean.

He's the only person falling. It's Phibs' personal trolley problem. Do you save him? And the answer is, unfortunately, despite all of Phibs' impulses, yes, because he could have valuable information about Unzug. And that's it.

Well, the Marx was on his side, too, from the very beginning. Yeah, they were. He did have some Unzug. I mean, can we talk about the sort of last sort of challenge we had coming out of the volcano for a second? I have never been more stressed in my life, being knocked out last minute by a falling rock, unconscious.

And then when you didn't grab the ladder, I was like, no way, you're not doing this to me. You're not going to sacrifice yourself. I was ready to. I know you were. I had to, I was worried that I wouldn't get stabilized and I wouldn't get to like try to save my friend's life. I did have some backup plans, though. Okay.

Because I had, that's why I wanted my spell slots restored because I could have done one more vortex warp to save someone else. Got it, got it. Like, Picara. Is that a first level of spell? It's a second level spell. So good. It's very good.

It's so good. And I didn't even know it existed, but I was just like, I thought about it because thinking back to Erdker Fathom when you were a dead body, I was able to Misty Step because the life had left you were effectively a meat object. But if you're sentient, if you're alive, like, I needed something. And this is specifically something that you can use to teleport people, either with their permission or against their will with a con save if they choose not to be teleported. So do.

Yeah. But I was saving my first level spell slots because I still had, I was saving a second level because I still had a Misty Step I could have done to save myself. But I was also gonna, I was keeping Featherfall just in case to like, okay, can you guys try and throw me the ladder? One more time, one more time, but. Yeah. Also I'm sorry, every time you say Misty Step, it just sounds like something that you're doing

at a graduation party. Like, okay, everybody, get down to the floor, it's time to Misty Step. Fibs, Chachas real smooth at first level. I slide to the left. Busy will slide to the right. And Pekara, like, she's a goblin, a bit of a chaos agent, just slamming a harpoon right to Pizzi's buddy.

He's killed, bitchy. There's no other way, yeah, I guess. There, I, she, yeah, like, that was the math she did. Look, when your only tool is a harpoon, I guess every problem becomes a whale. But the, it wasn't, The only solution because at the end of the day, you had seen that Eun-Zug as his champion, as her champion, was able to...

Not Eun-Zug. Yeah, Eun-Zug, as her, as Euthis' champion, was able to pull her wherever he wanted her. Oh, oh. It did come back. That's what I remembered, yeah. Come back to play as the real Euthis-C-Champian. I didn't know if it would work. I didn't know if she would be too busy saving some dwarves, but I just knew...

I'm so glad you thought of that, because... Well, it was really... like a last-ditch effort because I was like, there's no way my little weird, like, ear wings are gonna keep us afloat, even with the feather fall. I was like, I'm just going to, the first time we actually get to interact with a deity, and I am supposedly your champion,

I'm gonna call on it and see what happens. And so glad you came. That is the most tippy thing to do, like the second God leaves the room, being like, you're my champion, call me if you need me, two seconds later, hey, God! God? Can I go out?

Please. Sorry, all my friends are about to die. What happened? God, a bird, don't ask. I was gone. I was gone for under a minute if you calculate the real time. That is crazy, yeah. That is true.

I mean, it could be better. It is tippy, so it could have just been like, hey, so do you like me? Yeah. I was like, what the . So, fucking a good job, you think? Yeah, oh, right, yes. We're good, right? belt I can have. Yeah. We gotta get tips. We gotta get you a title belt for my son.

Oh yeah, for the goblin games, for sure. I'm wondering what would have happened had we not defeated the yester dusters. Would we have fought them in the air or would they have? There was a, I mean, I don't know if you could tell there was a real pretty high percentage I thought a chance that one of you would die. Would die, would fall to the yester dusters. fall would yeah be high drop to the bottom of the magma and that would be that I mean not that would be that but it's like they're they're

not I mean magma that would be that they were yeah they were a really balanced challenge rating for what I thought by the way but but yeah I mean with but you did also have yeah Pakara fighting alongside you

too so and the magma again like did more damage to them than it did to you I wonder if people tooting it at home thinks that we're just absolute monsters for the way we just brutally murdered all of the yester dusters. They had it coming. Come on. Yeah. I mean, they were fighting you. You know, it could be argued self-defense. Yeah, they're not good people. They are mercenaries who are just like they would do anything for a dollar. So if it wasn't now, it was going to be at some point. Because they were fighting for

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Alignment and how I normally think of alignment, which is like, we'll just see how it goes. Like, you know, like normally in campaigns, it's like, okay, the monsters are evil and the good guys are kind of good. But this one I was like, well, we are playing monsters and like undead. They would say evil, like, and some goblins are even classified as evil. So it was like, well, that's not fair. We want to see what the characters will do. And arguably the alignment shifted. Well, he's a spectrum.

Yeah. It's a spectrum. I'm like good aligned. Like definitely doing a fake out reach for my hand, I promise to save you. That was so, losing my mind. That's good align. When you did it three times in a row.

Yeah. Also, I gave them the chance to leave. I kept telling them, like you did. They were on their way out. If you stay, you will die. And that kept being like, well, let's see what happens. I kept being like, you can leave now. You can leave any time.

I'm on fire and I won't go. Yeah, yeah. There was a moment you rolled to see if they could have been convinced. Yeah. And I think we'd like just missed it because I think we could have convinced them to leave and we'd just like, oh, leave this, leave this guy, he's dying.

It was interesting to me. Yeah, it was like, I guess maybe this whole thing. I mean, like you would still be blasted out of the volcano and that would have been that. But yeah, there was a really, really high chance, especially with your deception where this encounter that did a lot of damage to you and you were fighting these people,

just didn't happen. You know, it was just the gallantlings just moved on. And we're like, well, yeah, Taganuk, R-I-P. Rest in pieces. Rest in pieces. You're burning pieces. You're dumb-no.

I stand by. I don't think they're good. I like that it's Tagunuk, Baritha. And Kathy. Yeah, they have last names, too. Oh, what are their last names? What's Kathy's last name? Kathy's last name?

Kathy's last name is Johnson. Damn. Tathy Johnson. Kathy Johnson. I just thought, I was like, trying to, do, you know, like a basic party, human dwarf gnome, sorcerer, you know, castor, fighter, rogue, and so I was like Kathy Johnson makes sense, Barutha Barrelebine, and Togunuk flukunosal, almost don't nozzle but not quite.

Flukesl. Can you imagine if he was docked nozzle and related to Pecorah? Oh my God. Oh my god. That would be a twist. A goblin gnome situation, it's like, then you just have to ask you know, please, who breathed It's true. The gnomes or the goblins. Which one is this?

Who knows? Who knows? Well, that didn't happen because she's fluke nozzle. But maybe they do share some DNA on some level. And what did you say before if we ever got married, I would be a dog novel? Nox Noodle. You'd be to be Doc Nossil. Damn, that's a great game.

As opposed to bus flog or Terror Squad. Bus Flog. Oh, no wonder she could dance. Last name is Donk. Oh, yeah. Elah is Donk. No. There are catheters.

Those were eyes to see. Jason, you told us earlier, like, at lunch that you cannot get the picture of what I described of Piccarra twerking outside down and out of your head. Give the context of, like, everything has been so in world. I mean, to your credit, you're doing, like, you're so good at describing everything, and everything is so thematic. And then it's this unbaba dance, and you're like, and yeah, so her voluptuous butt cheeks sort of just, like, wobble left and right.

And that booty go big, and I was like, oh wait, excuse me? And so that's why I thought I had to roll for a bonner. Tibby-Say versus boi-yoing. Oh, I roll for the boi-yo-yoing. It was the most out of place but perfect thing you could describe, because the last thing I thought was. I think gauvahs are a little horny. Bacora rolls for what that thing do.

A lot of motion back there. and we go to the table to find out what it do. What it did. I do want to talk about sort of where we end things. Yeah. Because we end things in a very kind of like tense place. Yeah, it's not happy, unfortunately. We end in a heroic manner, but like with the prospect of war across multiple planes of realities.

Yeah. We have the scythe of Aurelia plotting an all out of salt across land, air and sea. Their alliance with the giant dragon turtle that just feasted on endless corpses. And still one of the most horrifying sequences in the campaign. Oh my gosh. We also, Unzug is trekking towards where I presume the last bastion of the Sundari is on the astral plane. Because that is something that's been seated continually throughout the campaign. they've left this world behind.

They're all on the astral plane now. Like, I don't know whether they're cowering or they're waging endless war with pharaxis, but we'll find out. It's definitely kind of a shocking. I was like, when I realized, I'm like, well, I'm at like 3HP. I can't go do an astral fortress right now.

And then I'm like, oh, okay. There's got to be future adventures. There's got to be future things for us to resolve. It's so hard to end a campaign and just go like, okay, I guess the, I mean, also, like, let's be clear, you just leveled up to level four. Like, that is not even near the end for a character. You started at level one. You started at kind of level zero. Like, it's, it's just, that's, that's no place, you're not going to be fighting deities. You're not going to be fighting big necromancers. You're not going to. Just watch us. Well, yeah.

You say that now. Yeah. Well, the side of Aurelia, especially not in the version that you saw it. Oh, yeah. It was just not the time. But that's a lot, I think, of a level one through level four. It's like you're going to be making changes and causing, obviously, like, helping people and changing, like, the course of the world. But you guys are the butterflies wings, not the, you know, tidal wave.

Yeah, the butterfly that greets the morning. What is it? Well, just mudja. Mujah. Mujifra. Yeah. Mofre. Trying not to get atomized by every trap that we encounter.

Yeah, which truly. I was really looking forward to trying to use that last beat of force, but everyone was too close. That was great. Every time I was trying to like find a way to use it, it would always be that someone was on a platform and it would have hurt one of our dudes. I did have an image of taking Taganook and being like, eat up. Horrible. He would have exploded. Yeah, of course. Why else do it?

I was always going to go for him because I was waiting for him to reveal that I was like doing a thing. Oh, that's good. And I feel like that's why. Yeah, I feel like that's why we all went a little hard on him because he kept trying to stick.

Well, we do have some NPCs around the party who probably will level up too. Probably not Crandall because like... Oh, goodness. I just like him being horrible. Yeah, we have to get him a new ink pot. Loof, level up for next time. Loof level up.

Wow. I'm not going to be able to live in my rib cage much longer. What class is Louf? Spider? A class. That's a good, I don't know. She's a web slinger. She's a web slinging.

Oh, a web slinger, sure. Yeah, that would, I mean, she gets to choose, right? She gets to decide. Oathbreaker. Ronnie, we have some unfinished business. Yeah, now I'm wearing her out. I'm like wearing her crown. You literally have, yeah, Ministora's circlet, which is Ronnie.

And if I have a. have her circlet, because we had theorized, it's easier for her, she, it's easier for her to always be in the throne room where like her statue is. And like it means that when it's time for her to leave, she has to skedooch. So I wonder if now that I have her circle, she could hang out a little bit longer.

I think that's very probable. Yeah. I was admittedly very worried when you put on the circlet and it immediately injected you with like three Sapphire set needles. Yeah, so that circlet is a magic item that I actually built. for like another project

and I was like I really like this like I'm gonna put it in this campaign too but what it does is it the magic item you can make a target creature tell you on their next turn what they're going to do their action bonus action reaction

reaction movement and a legendary action if that's applicable then they must do it so if you're out of range or if they're like you can do things to prevent that from happening and if there's something that they declared that they can no longer do, they use their action, their bonus act, whatever,

to do nothing. That's fantastic. Yeah, the reason I decided to attune to that and not attuned to the ring was because since I was out of spell slots, I was like, well, it's Ronnie's, maybe if I attuned to it, then without using a spell slot, maybe I can use it to call through. I love that.

To get a hold of her, but then instead it hurt me real bad. You probably so could have done it, but yeah, it's one of those, I mean, it's, It messes with the mechanics in a way that's like, ooh, it doesn't feel good. Like as a dungeon master, like you would just get to know what my creature's up to doing. So it has to be mitigated in some way,

and that was what it was decided. I don't know, magic items are really fun and building a campaign around. Like the whole campaign was basically a magic item campaign. Yeah, and I am dripping right now. Oh, you are dripping. You are, I've got my ring, I've got my crown, I've got my challenge,

Alice, love. And your clipboard. And your clipboard. Leslie, my Doucet cup. If we play this again, like, I will, I just have to, like, the lux, all these magic items might be. But we needed them real bad. I like that you had them to a point, but yeah, I mean, artificeers are broken.

Like, I stayed at our constant duel with, are you sure you can do that? Yeah, familiar. It's forced damage. It's not even piercing. They're not shooting a gun. They're like magical little guys. It's like... It's just a little guy.

He's just a little guy. Yeah, I mean, some really clutch moves, but also I think I think artifices are broken. Well, just like overall, Amy, like 10 episodes in, you've watched us do so much stuff. Like, how do you feel? Do you feel like, you know, do you feel like it's gone? I need a season two. I don't feel complete. It's very weird because it does feel.

like, yeah, that's the end of the season, but it also, it's like there's some success, some, but like, did everything turn out? Not really, you know? Like, Eun-Zug did get away? I mean, there was a version where he, I don't know, Euthis could have overtaken him or he could have overtaken Euthis. Either way, like, no, not, I don't, I mean, I like that you nailed the yesterdusters, but they were but a small part of the side of Eurelia and also co-aligned with Eun-zug, too. So I feel, I feel. both complete and incomplete if I'm completely honest and overall very proud of what we made very very very impressed with with you all and and also really proud of myself but but

but I it's it's bittersweet because it's like there is I you never got to Calair which like Calair is awesome and of and there's just some things that like oh we just kept going to fit federal delve which by nature of the fact like Eun-Zu needed to get in there so of course that's where he needed to go We had to go there. But there's other, I thought we might get a little more into the wild, not quite the desolation, which Myrhafana is in the wilds, but there's the beyond.

And then there's just so many other geographic locations in Sundaros that, yeah, good luck getting to all the geography. Yeah, well, all the more reason for us to hopefully do a second season and explore the rest of Sundaros and just. Yeah, it's hard not to get attached to a world, you know, much less difficult to get attached to the characters. and while I was like, oh, someone might die today. I was very clear. I was like, okay, but we've always got youth this and no one's gonna die, right? No one's gonna die?

I was prepared. I was prepared to die. Phibs, it felt in character, felt like this is a decision he would make. Like, this is the, like, everything's on fire. I saw that in your eyes, and I was like, ah. I had sheer, like, panic. Like, yeah, it wasn't a comfortable feeling, which like, as, I mean, the dungeon mess, you don't want to take a side or anything, but like, it's hard.

I mean, yeah, when you died, I mean, my brain broke for a while, you know? Yeah, yeah. And so it was like, I want there to be story. I want there to be the mechanics. I want it to make sense. And also, I'm taking, I'm going to be taking busy fibs in Tippy's side all the time. Yeah, plus it was my turn. Yes.

I get to die this time. No one's dying. You did get hard to do. You did die. You did die. And if you hadn't talked to Uthus, like, who knows? Yeah, yeah. I mean, my only plan is...

Can you imagine just Andrews all three of our bodies missing the ladder and falling into the abyss? Oh, all the magic items are gone. Oh, I hope. Like honestly... I could see that happening. I mean, yeah, the ladders, I mean, it's precarious. Brought to you by the Liders of the Mist.

Well, it's also precarious because the... I'm curious because the magma shooting up too. Yeah. There's a lot of environment happening too. Oh, yeah. Well, looking, I mean, I think this episode was full of some, like, really shocking moments. And, you know, that being one of them, like, just when, you know, when someone does something unexpected, I'm curious, was there, looking back over the course of the whole of the campaign, is there a moment that really shocked you, took you back, or surprised you in either, like, a just exciting way, just a fun way, or anything. Here's an insight.

So theater of the mind, you know, we do have some graphics, we've got some, but I always knew like, oh, we might go to different geographies, just based on where I'm feeling the vibe is, and I can switch things up in between episodes, okay, okay. Because we don't have minis, you know, we have pictures, but the geography, it's like, oh, just change the picture. And words with which to paint a mental portrait. That's right, and words. So the first thing that happened in episode one, I thought I had laid the groundwork for your, all to go to the crater of sorrow to follow the yester dusters immediately. And I was like, well, clearly we're going to the crater of sorrow. I had episodes, what were they, three and four pretty much all figured out.

And it was going to be crater of sorrow and we're going to figure that out. You were going to get the maybe the circlet, maybe the ring, you know, like all of this was a Scravix. You know, like this is, there was going to be some stuff. And immediately you're like, I guess we go to a. Nack Brecken. I'm like, oh, Nac Brekka, I hadn't put until like episode 16 or 17th. I was like, we can't go there. Like that'll be all

the factions together. That'll be crazy. The way you described the crater of sorrow in the beginning, though, it seemed unscable. Yes. It seemed so huge. And I was like, and we were just babies. Exactly. We're three babies that wandered out of Plato's cave.

And where do we go? I guess we'll go to, town instead of the site of the cataclysm that's full of the bones of dead gods who have left this plane of reality I mean when you say it aside from that the yester dusters killed everybody yeah and I asked you how big are these walls you're like a couple hundred feet it was like a massive you know deity fight like of course it they murdered it we're gonna go to a town it get drawn you can climb a 200 foot hill they've murdered all of our friends they killed I was with Maxwell, and I'm, the last thing we did was I was teaching my friends how to eat a bat. Like, we're not going to go fight anybody. I know.

Hearing it from the mouth of babes, it sounds so simple. But in my head, I was like, of course they're going to want revenge on these people. Of course. And we always did. And we got it. And you got it. And you got it. Revenge is a dish best served.

Hot. Hot. So I don't want to say that's like the most surprising thing because obviously you guys. But it was my first like, oh, this. This isn't gonna be my campaign. This is gonna be y'all's campaign. And we'll, you know, it's your world and I'm just living in it.

So it wasn't like the most shocking moment or anything like that, but it did kind of, you know, when gears are like shifting, shifting, and then they sink into place, that is what happened there, where I was like, got it, I understand my role in this game now, which always the dungeon master is, but you can't help it.

When you're prepping 20 episodes, you cannot help. And someone fight me, you cannot help, but try to write the plot on some level. You can't help it. No, but you also, I would argue you need to and probably should, so there is a skeleton just in case. I mean, yes, yeah, a skeleton. This case, we have a couple skeletons,

but like, I don't know, it's up for, it's up to us to like put meat on them bones, but like, yeah, and you want to- It has to have a structure. Yeah, you want to feel like there is that structure in place and not like you're just kind of, like, open world is thrilling, but it's also crippling that there's so much choice.

Yeah, and there's a safety net too. You know, like if there is something where we make a wild decision and you need to course correct, you always have all of that. And while you're doing the thing where you're kind of plotting but not plotting out a season, that does mean, hey, they got to this place a little bit earlier.

Maybe I can take this adventure, move it with this thing, and put it in this town with this NPC. Exactly. And it, well, the other thing is I didn't expect for the Marx slash Picard to become a really important part of the story. Didn't expect that. And I will say, putting a female goblin in was cool.

Obviously, she took a big part. And then this last bit, I was like, yeah, we need some skeletons. And it's like, okay, we put a goblin in. The goblin character falls in love. We put some skeletons in. You make an effort, but at the end of the day, it's like, oh, fuck these skeletons. I mean, they were babies. They didn't have sentience or whatever.

And you had already dismissed your entire past busy. So it wasn't like you had this like tie to the place. Yeah. But it was just, I was like, oh, this is just so interesting. I was, if there was an ability to be able to save them, that was something. I was going to want to do that because I, because when Busy came out, Busy was given the chance at like a second life. And the idea that they weren't going to be able to get that or at least experience it

if that was what they so chose to do. Now, unlike with me and Phibs, they still have their memories and all those other things. and because they don't have a skeleton version of them around on this plane, I think that means that it's easier for them to move on and do other things because they're not anchored and it's not this weird half-air and not their thing. It's a good death. It's a good undeth, too. It's a good undeth, but I did, you know, busy did like the idea of being able to give someone,

you know, a second shot at a different life. But it just wasn't in the cards. Because of a volcano. And you can't look, you can do whatever you can. to try to baby bird someone, but you can't baby bird someone out of a volcano. Well, you can try. You can try.

You can try. You can try. It took a baby bird and a baby spider. What about for you guys? What was the most shocking moments for you guys? I'm torn because one beget the other. I think probably without a doubt the most shocking was the death of Tippi.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm a big fan of when characters die. It's one of the most brutal things to have to go through as a player and as a DM as well. But the way it was handled and the aftermath and the stories it enabled, because it could just easily be like a huge disappointment. You can just feel like, cool, I blew it and I thought my character's over and like this sucks. But the fact that we were able to,

not only retrieve you, but then go on this much deeper journey as a result into our characters. That to me was like so thrilling. And I have to say apart from that, the most shocking moment, because that was just like pure shock factor, but the one that like, you know, maybe when I saw the way things were turning,

I could have anticipated like someone's going to die. What I could never have guessed in a million years is when the amazing Ross Bryant sat down at this table. He opened his mouth and I was like, no. You are doing, you're doing, you're me. You're fibs, you're me. Oh no, oh no. Yes, what a gift.

That was, and then just how everything shook out there with the whole etheric realm in the memory palace and just sort of having to make maybe the most difficult decision. I think it was a no-brainer, but it was still ultimately very difficult. And I think a real turning point potentially for the campaign because I feel like there was probably a lot more, we could have easily pursued that, like, oh, let's reclaim their lives.

I didn't know how it was going to happen, but from the beginning of the campaign, I was like, there's going to need to be an opportunity for them to regain their real life. And I wanted that. I wanted that opportunity, but it was almost like, from the get-go, it was very clear, oh, they don't want it. They don't even want it.

But the opportunity still needed to present itself, and that's why it could gongan drop the hint and busy read the, you know, comprehend languages with ASA, and it was just this moment where I was like, if they need the choice, because the choice, one way or the other, will, I think, change the dynamic of where the story goes. Yeah, and I liked so much about this campaign

is about, like, how much does our past define us? How much do assigned roles define us? And to have that moment of, do we decide that, you know, we want to go back and try to regain all of these things, or do we decide, hey, that was as much as our life in the dungeon and us really working hard to become who we are? These were decisions we've all been making as we'd been out of the dungeon to figure out a life and figure out who we are.

Do we want to lose that to go back to a life? And for busy in particular to go back to a life where she sounds like she was super unhappy with it anyway. And this is an opportunity now to just say we're leaving all of the past behind. That doesn't matter. They had their life. They had their chance.

This is our chance now to go forward and do something else. And also, I think it was important that our characters made that decision to not be like we would be more valid if we went back to being an elf, if we went back to being a dwarf, if we went back to being these more heroic archetypes. And deciding instead, I'm going to rock with what I am, because what I am now as these Skellies is good enough and we don't have to, we don't have to try to fit in and be what other people's idea of a hero is.

I'm a hero as I am. Yeah, I like that we were sort of unspoken, just like instantly aligned on the same page with that. Yeah, yeah, that surprised me too. I think for, for Phibbs, it was just seeing the sort of like wretched, hateful creature that Phil Vorell had become. The war is over and both sides

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And that poor guy, the email I sent him. But just like, it was believable too, because it's this character who's been just been trapped in this weird sort of stasis in a realm beyond comprehension, just chasing an elusive memory that they can't find and just having to relive memories in a way that you can never really recapture. Just like, it would be maddening. And he captured that madness beautifully in a way that was so twisted that made fibs think, if that's, if

chasing my memories leads to becoming this, then I don't want them. Fair enough. I'm happy with what I can remember and what he had remembered up to that point was instructive because he was still intrigued. But that's like, that was someone else. This is his new chapter. This is his new lease on life.

And it was just exciting to make that choice. It felt like the natural thing to do. But yeah. Any shocking moment for, I guess, I guess you too, have you... Yeah, it was very much still that moment of, that moment where Tippy died, that's obviously like a big, massive moment.

I would also say... For those of you at home, what actually did happen was like, we stopped the stream, or, I mean, we stopped recording because I was like, okay, okay, what do we do? Like, what, hold on, hold on just a second. Like, I need a second, I think. Yeah, the drama on set that day was unreal. Yeah, and then it was like,

do we get him off at the set? Like, what's the geography of just, you know, shooting now? And does he join the tagback? And also, like, I was just, it was so intense because it's like, this is a show. You know, it's not just like, oh, it's a home game, roll a new character, you know? It's like, hold on, hold on.

This is also a show, and we're telling a story. So, like, what do I do? But also, I will say, like, there are many, many episodes that y'all kind of skate through and you're kind of fine, and you're kind of fine, you're kind of fine, and then you make this move because you feel safe because you've been fine.

And it's like, yeah, but unfortunately. Yeah, that, and the shenanigans, we kept doing that because we're us in order to keep doing that. Yes. We can't stop doing that. We can't stop doing it. We can't stop, won't die. But it was very important, I think, at some point

where we did have the weight of our choices. And it wasn't just like this, is it, like if we're telling a story, which, and ultimately we were still putting the pieces together, but we didn't understand how big this was and how much everything was in peril again. But to be able to have a moment of, okay, these are really, these stakes are incredibly real.

Like this is fun and we can have some cartoon hijinks. We can have the Scooby-Doo type chase. Like we can have that really fun chase that we did through NACBRECA. But there are real stakes that happen through this. And that was a moment where we really, And for our characters, it's also a good moment for them to grow up because everyone has been confused so far

about like why do they, even in characters in the show, like why do they seem to always, and there were reasons for that, but why did they survive? Like it seems like there's an extra reason why or it might be connected to something else. And this was a moment of, yeah, but we don't, there isn't plot armor. We do have to make decisions that are smart

and it can't always just be like, well, we're just gonna mess around the whole campaign and it's gonna be great. It reminded me the feeling I felt as a child when I watched Who Framed Roger Rabbit for the first time and you see them put one of the tunes in the dip. Oh yeah. And I'm like, oh, I thought this was gonna be a fun Looney Tunes adventure,

but you're killing this cartoon in my eyes. Yeah. And it's like, oh, Tippy's dead. Yeah. Tippy, what about, or Jason, what about you for a shocking moment? The death was definitely shocking, But I think the more shocking moment for me was when you were like,

you could be any animal you want, and I just said bird. Babe. You demanded, let's be clear. You put your foot down. It was a panic decision. And if he backed me up on it too. If you remember, it was like, no man,

you were so intense about it. The secret was I could not think of an animal that I wanted to be. Oh, that was the secret. I just think they remember, and maybe someone, I'm making work for Matt, can put this in here. I believe the exact work

you said were, I want to be a bird final answer? I want a bird to bite me and that's final. That's fine. Okay. And then a man made of nothing but circles bit you. Horrific. You were shocked.

Shocking. Which I couldn't believe that y'all forgot who Fug was. Fug is a very formative person in Shippie's life. No, the most shocking one to me actually was like I was all the way locked in

it would have to be busy and Phibbs' backstory. The reveal that they were these eternal sort of cat and mouse game and that scene between you and Ross, I was so captivated. I was so into it. And it was shocking that they killed each other, and that's how it was over for them. And I don't know.

There's something about that that I really was just like, wait, wait, what? Wait, hold on. Their backstories isn't like this separate world where they were heroes before, or even villains before, they were just these two things consumed by hate. And I thought that was really cool. Well, the one thing that I will say about planning adventures,

writing adventures, being a dungeon master, or just writing in general, not writing in general, but writing TTRPGs in general, is you can go beyond genre. You can say, oh, it's this, oh, it's that. It's, you know, it's a Western now. Oh, it's Eldridge Horror. It's fantasy. But I will, I don't think I'm,

I'm alone in this, but I will fight to say that everything is a mystery. It's always a mystery. And your only job is to continue making it a mystery as the dungeon master. And so there were some things that we dripped out over time. A lot of things of these were decided. Obviously, like deciding the Pantheon was really important for the Sundari and the Euthis. She was this kind of cast out, almost coward, but maybe just made the wrong decision kind of person. That and then y'all's backstory too was really, really decided ahead of time and the flashbacks were the seeds that were planted.

But yeah, I will say every TTRP game is a mystery, every adventure, every mini scene, it's always a mystery. Like, what are you picking up? What are you finding out? Where are the red herrings? You didn't have that many red herrings, I will say, this time. And just back to the subject of me dying, I just wanted to be clear. like, I'm not, I don't play like I know I'm invincible by any means. Yeah.

Like, I don't play like I know I'm not going to be able to get hurt, but I didn't know that it would be that much damage and like an insta death, right? I thought I was like, oh, death saving rolls. Or they'll take me prisoner. Yeah, they'll take me prisoner, like the dice decide. But it was great. Yeah, exactly. Well, yeah, no, we figured there would be some consequence.

I did all that match, too. It's just that it was a death cult. We both looked each other in the eyes and we were both like, let's, let's just fact check the math real quick. I remember us both looking up and being like, yeah, that is enough damage. But that's what's great about it, because immediately.

And it is a death. Like they're not gonna capture you. They're a death cult. They love killing. It's their favorite thing in the world. Immediately, like, we got to understand that because I do think, I think also we were like, okay, there will be ways we can sneak out of this.

There will be ways that we'll be able to fix it. Immediately we were like, oh, these dudes suck. And for both us and our characters, obviously for us, we understand that at a certain point we're gonna be fighting them, but it was a real quick way for our characters to go, look, we're still figuring out who we are, but what we do understand is that these guys gotta go.

Because immediately it's like, oh, he did one thing, and then that really gruesome, all of those things that they were doing with Kaya, and how just disgusting that was. And just, again, really genuinely very disturbing with the pointing at the people and everyone randomly dying. That was a very formative moment, I think, for our characters to be like, I guess we saved the world now because this is awful.

And it's kind of cool because we start, you know, torture for us in the beginning was like comical. Yeah. Right, it was like, oh, sorry, sorry you're getting tortured, sorry. Can you do an accident interview? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then like to actually see like a real torture go down, we were like, oh no, well, I didn't see it, but I heard it in the background. And it was rough stuff, I feel bad for Guy. She's, she's, no, no. No one should go like that. No one should go like that. She sucked, but no one should go like that.

Except for what's his name, No Mnitch. And for everybody at home, I just want you guys to know, like, we don't know we're safe, and you say you're on our side, but I hear every time you miss your dice, you go, dang it. And, Matt, or somebody in pose, do a super cut of Amy laughing maniacally when she rolls well against them. Oh my God. The eyes of a killer. No, I'm a creature of habit. The skin of a killer, Bella. I'm a creature of habit.

I like rolling high on my dice. I don't know, we'll find out what. I'm on your side and you're like, the volcano tries to kill you, dang it. The people try to kill you, dang it. Oh, but I get to play too. Absolutely. That's true.

I hear playing the game too. Amy's out here min-maxing the yester dusters to try and one-shot us. No, those are very balanced guys. Well, you could be balanced. I would argue they're not balanced, considering how often I telekinetically pushed them off a ledge. Very much off balance.

I know, I know. How is your inner is burnt to a priest? They're saving grace is how many hit points they have, but beyond that. It was so funny, and I do got to tell you, there was something incredibly satisfying, knowing that he had featherfall of pushing Crandall off that building. Knowing that he would be okay. It was really satisfied.

There was that decision by the universe. I was like, we're not tracking Crandall. He will be okay. and that'll be that, and that will be that. Just personally, I was very satisfied that I got to sort of book into the campaign episode two and this with a couple of fun feather fall moments where people are like, are you just going to let this person die?

Oh, yeah. What's going on? Oh, the deer. The deer was like, I really don't want this to happen. Yeah. This is going to be a determinant. Like, literally, if our Sina had seen that, it would have been like, okay, great.

Like, I don't even give a shit about this guy. Our producer, director Graham, afterwards, was like, I thought you were going to let the deer die. I was like, what's wrong with them? I know. If I hadn't have been disarmed, I would have definitely shot at the deer or shot at Exana. You were trying. I was definitely trying.

Oh, wow. Well, the other shocking moment, or not shocking, but very, very favorite moment was Goblin Games and y'all making me come up with all the goblin names. It will go down in history. and just learning about that. And I think anyone in our audience might be able to do some very quick math on how to build a goblin name just off the top of your head and just throw some unsalivating consonants and vowels together and make a goblin name. Well, hold on, Amy.

What are the rules? Because we have an irky floodgunk, and then we also have half a slice of pizza. So I'm not too sure what the rules are. There is precedent for food-based names. I cite specifically Dougzug-Glizzy. Dug-Zug-Lizzy. Numbie gum trunk. So I'm a little unclear.

Numbie gum-drunk of food. It's a gum trunk. Unless you're talking about the gum of a rubber tree. I'm at a must-rom, right? I don't know. I feel like it's a pretty clear etymology. Yeah, you just choose the worst possible thing to say And then just let a rip

Yes, unsavory unsavory sounds coming out of your mouth Yeah, that's how we got the fummy crust clan The fummy crusts Yeah Well, folks, on that note That's gonna do it for us For Saga's of Sundry Quest and Answers

That is a wrap on Saga's of Sundry Goblin mode Season 1 We thank you again for joining us on this genuinely insane adventure from everyone at the Hurflederg family, everyone from the crust monks, everyone from the Huffmamps, the Yorts, and also the Jaggers,

to paraphrase Jason's inspiring speech in the finale. Yeah, thank you so much. This has been a true pleasure. Everyone here at Geekin Sundry and Legendary Digital Networks, our partners at Realm as well. This has been such a pleasure to put together

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