Culture & Christianity: The Allen Jackson Podcast - Can Prayer Still Change America?

Episode Date: February 6, 2026

America is facing more than political or economic challenges—it’s a spiritual battle. In this episode of Culture & Christianity, Pastor Allen Jackson sits down with longtime sports broadcaster Hope Hines to discuss GAP 26, a nationwide call to prayer spreading across all 50 states. Together, they explore how prayer has the power to transform not only individual lives but cultures and nations. Now is not the time to sit on the sidelines—God is inviting His people to pray and engage like never before.

Welcome to Culture and Christianity. They are guests today. He's pretty exciting for me. He has been a very influential figure in Nashville in the broadcast arena in Nashville for a long time. Hope Hines was the sports director at our CBS affiliate Channel 5 for 35 years in Nashville, really in the golden age of local television. When we all went to our local stations to get sports news and scores, this predates ESPN. the internet and all of the media sources we have today.

He's with us today because he's engaged with a national initiative for prayer of the first week of March, first four days of March, it's Gap 26. He's going to give you all the details. Big picture, God's moving in the earth. He's using people who have won Emmys who are in the Hall of Fame for sports in Tennessee, have been a big impact in Middle Tennessee, and now they're making a bigger impact for the kingdom of God. You can be one of those people. Say yes to the Lord and do what he puts in front of you and he will multiply the outcomes. I think you'll enjoy Hope Hines. I have someone who was a big part of my life, although at a distance for a long time.

Hope Hines is with us today. Welcome, sir. Nice to be with you, Pastor. What a joy it is to be in the house that you lead. Well, I hear your voice. I feel like there ought to be a volume knob here someplace. Well, thank you, thank you. I got to know Hope on television.

He is, I hate to say legend, because that means. makes you sound old. I'll take it. But you have had a profound impact up on Nashville and Middle Tennessee, but you were on our Channel 5, our CBS affiliate, the sports director for a long time. I wrote some of this down for 35 years. That's amazing. You started at six and you ran that all the way in the 40s.

Yeah, yeah. You won six broadcast Emmys. You were the best sportscaster in the Southeast. And in 2014, inducted into the Tennessee Hall of Fame, Sports. Sportscaster Hall of Fame. Yes, sir. Tennessee Sports Hall of Fame. And that was just like your, that's your side hustle.

Well, I was very privileged to be in the business to begin with. I didn't start out to be in television. You know, growing up, my heroes were not athletes. My heroes were movie stars. I was born in a small community in South Georgia, about 5,000 people. And I didn't see a professional football baseball game until I went to Georgia. And the Braves came and the Falcons were there. So Florida State was my football team back in those days.

And that was way back yonder. That's been a day or two. Yeah, it has. No question. You graduate from the University of Georgia and then got a job in Nashville. That's almost like treason or something. Well, yeah, to most people it was. And people will gauge you very quickly when you're on television.

if you're a sportscaster in a town like this, about who you give the most coverage to and how you slant it. So I was always not making everybody happy, Alan, as you can imagine. Kind of like a pastor sometimes, perhaps. I've read about that. Yeah, well, I don't know about the pastor part. So was Vince Dooley the coach when you were Georgia? He was.

He came there in 65, and I came there at the same year. He had pretty good run. Yes, he did. He was a great coach. He brought a lot of. a lot of guys from Auburn with him. Erk Russell was the defensive coordinator, and I did a show with him,

Eric, for a number of years on radio down there and syndicated across the southeast. That was a good time. That was a great time. We were talking before we started taping, that your job kind of fell into the golden age of local television. Right. Because you were essential to our community.

That's where we got all our sports news. We didn't have ESPN and the Internet and all the 24-7 No, no, no. And I can handle technology at that level. I'm lost now, Alan. I don't know about you, but I'm lost. Yeah, I've got a big chief pad and some crayons. Yeah, there you go. There you go. Yeah, exactly. Your faith, when I knew you on television, I didn't hear your faith as a leading edge of who you were. I mean, it wasn't like you were a pagan. But your faith has become, well, it wasn't on your broadcast. But your faith has become a lot more prominent part of your life. Tell us about that transition. You analyzed it very well.

I got saved when I was at the University of Georgia. I had a wife and two children. And I don't blame this on anybody for what happened to me. I backslid. I was a prodigal son. But I wasn't disciplined. I wasn't disciplined. I wasn't disciplined either.

They go together. Yeah, they do. But I wasn't disciple. I'm not blaming not on a church or anything else. It just was the way it was. And so I didn't stay with it. And I bumped along for a number of years, you know, letting God in, letting God out, choosing what I want to do. And God, don't look over here.

I'm about to go do this and so on and so forth. Until it got to the point one day, he said, okay, time out. And, I mean, he didn't speak to me all of it, but he spoke to me. He gave me that warning. It was a warning. I took it as a warning. Get yourself straight. And I did.

And when I did, I fell hard. And I was broken. I was broken in a lot of ways, but not many people knew it. But, you know, all of our stories are different, the way we come to the Lord and the way he deals with each one of us. But this has been the most exciting experience of my life, the last 15 years of my life. Because, I mean, I have really come to know him in a very special way, come to know Jesus and love Jesus. and just can't imagine life without them. That's awesome.

Yeah, I mean, it's just God is so good. If we'll just allow, just turn yourself loose. You know, he said to me, not the Lord, but he said to me, come to the edge. And I said, no, come to the edge, he said, I came. He pushed me and I flew. That's what happens. I think most people have this imagination that somehow God will limit your life or take the joy out of it.

It's going to diminish you. No. And it's a lie from the pit. Oh. Best days of my life are the days I cooperate with God. I don't know why that's not. It's not intuitive. No.

But it's true. Well, you've gotten involved in a pretty exciting project. That's really what gave rise to this conversation today. Well, I am. And there are a lot of people alongside of me with me and this. It's called Gap 26. It's the Great American Prayer. revival and it's taking place all across this country right now Ellen it has been for over a year

Hank Irwin who many people won't know but a lot of people might know he's the father of the Irwin brothers who produce some pretty fine faith-based films in the last 10 15 years the Jesus revolution you know and and many many more and they're you know the house of David uh boy that's a great series. So anyway, Hank was a two-time Alabama senator. I say, I don't know how you hooked up with me. I'm a Georgia guy. You're an Alabama guy. We did, you know, I said, just talk to me when we have to. Anyway, that's how that came across. He's a great guy. The Lord gave him a vision that told him and he said, look, I want you to do a revival. I want a national revival. This country is ready for it. We need it. And so Hank called me and I barely knew Hank, but he's,

He had done some investigation. And he said to me, I want you to help me put this thing together. And I said, that's not what I do. He said, oh, yeah. He said, I've already prayed about it. I said, but I haven't prayed about it. He said, but I prayed about it. And the Lord said, you're the man that's going to walk alongside him and help me.

And I prayed about it. And I said, whatever, Lord. That's how I got involved in it. And so it's a God thing. And we have a great bunch of men and women who are, dedicated, who are working every day and have been for the past year, Alan. We've been praying every day. What Gap 26 is all about is bringing America to prayer all across the country. We have all 50 states involved, and Hank Irwin has traveled to all 50 states at one time or other. We have

what we call ambassadors in each state who said, we will take over the state for you. We are the man or a woman that will lead Gap 26 in our state. And so it's been a wonderful thing to see. One of the great things about being close to God is watching the people he puts together. Isn't that so? It is. It just is. I mean, and people come from, you don't even know where they come from or how they get there.

It's like you ask me, how did you get to Nashville? And they get to us the same way. It's just a beautiful fabric of his work. And so we've got lots of. people involved and we're going to have on four nights at the at the conclusion of this month we'll be going four nights on March 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th from the Wonder Center and you're familiar with the Wonder Center in Dixon. Dixon, yes.

Yes, and we're going to be broadcasting for two hours each night around the world and streaming. Holly McClure, who was with, you know, Holly. You probably do a lot of people know her. She's in Texas right now. She's working out there, but she was with TBN for a number of years. She's going to co-host it with me. And so we have two hours every night lined up. We're going to begin first out on March 1st with what we call the Revival Sunday.

And we're going to be talking about and going places, different sites across the country. things that happen. Now, look, we know only God can engineer a revival. We can't do that. We can say, we want to pray all year and have a great four nights of revival. We hope so. If it happens, it happens, and if it doesn't, it doesn't. We're still talking about the things that need to be talked about for this country, as you preach about. Thank you for the boldness that you take a lot of times up in your pulpit. There are not many people out there like you. And so for you people who, who love this man like so many people do here, be thankful for him because you tell it, you speak the knowledge and the information and the depth at which we need to hear it.

Oh, you're kind. I'm afraid of the boss. Well, if we don't tell the truth. That's true. No, you're right. We have to answer to him. No, exactly. Yeah.

So anyway, but we have a lot of pastors involved. Charles McGowan. You know Charles McGowan? Charles is on our board. So Charles is a wonderful man of God, and he was at Christ's prayers for so many years. Yeah, a long, long time. We have a lot of people involved. And so we're starting on that Sunday night.

And it's called Revival Sunday. And it's going to be the kickoff. And then on the next night, on Monday night, it's youth night, Gen Z. You think they need to know a thing or two about maybe what we might talk about. So we hope people are going to tune in for that. And then it's going to be on the next night, a night for men. to come together and we're going to talk to them about the things that men need to talk about, need to hear, and then we're going to wind it with family night to wind it all up.

So we've got something programmed and planned for each night, and things will be happening across the country that we'll take you to via stream and TV and that sort of thing, where people can actually watch what other people are doing. We've got Delaware that's going to put up a 40 by 60-tenth there on the state capital for prayer, and for worship that week. So people, and we've got, we've got in Wyoming, in Nebraska, the Cowboy Church. Yep. And they're doing a small rodeo.

Oh, that's awesome. I'm telling you, and we'll go there, and so we'll see that. So that's what we're doing. That's what we're about. And it's just saying, we're praying for this country who needs to return to the God that it was one time when we were founded. So that's what we're about. It's our heritage. It is.

We're not trying to reinvent the wheel. we have a heritage of a Christian faith in this nation. We've never been a uniquely Christian nation in that there are only Christians here, but the values that have shaped us as a people have come from that Judeo-Christian worldview. Yes. And if we don't come back to that heritage, we're going to lose our liberty and freedom. Well, how privileged are we to be here at this time in the history of the world? We are great.

I mean, right? That's how I feel, and that's how most of the people I'm working with feel. God ordained us to be here for these reasons. We're trying to do our best with what he's given us to do. And we're calling people, our cultures in such trouble, our society is in such trouble. We've got to shine that light. You know, you don't have to look far to see that our economy is in real turmoil. Our nation is $37 trillion in debt.

Inflation rates made it hard to buy and sell a house. Even a car, we're all feeling it. When you go to the grocery store and you spend an extra dollar or two, and every item, that gets personal in a hurry. Well, the most important thing we can do during uncertain times is to invest ourselves in knowing God better. Read his word, pray. That's the only place we're really going to find stability we need

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And then when you realize, what am I doing? My eyes just have not been on Christ. When I put my eyes back on Christ, I don't have that problem. That's the kind of message that I know you want to get out and we want to get out to people across the world. But if you'll just trust him, and that's hard to do for people who live in the natural. He wants to take our natural and put his super on it, right?

We got some supernatural going now. That's awesome. But you did this last year, right? Yes, well, we did a little bit different. Last year was November 4th, the day before the election. Now, we didn't tell anybody how to vote. We just said, go vote, and we were praying. And we did five hours, one night.

And we went all across America. to different places that we had designated and people agreeing to put on events and prayer and tell us what's going on there, Alaska, Hawaii. We were in Utah. We were in Virginia. We were in California. And it was a great night. And the Lord just did some wonderful things. And then after that was over is when we sat down and said, oh, it's over. What do we do now? And we started thinking. And then we just came up with this idea. Hank came up with this idea. Let's just keep it going. 26. And you know what?

We'll do a 27, 28, 29, the 3rd, until Jesus comes back. Come on. That'll be a good day. I want to be busy about his business when that happened. Well, yeah, exactly, exactly. Just, Lord, send me in. I'm ready to go. So if people are listening, well, I mean, one of the things is always at the center of this podcast is what can we do.

So somebody listening to this. Yes. How can they help? How can they be a part of this? Can they come to Diction and it be a part actually of the live part of that? Yes, they can. They can. We're going to have, and that studio holds about you've seen it or have you. 400, 450 people. So we're going to try to have an audience there every night starting on March 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.

So you can certainly go to that. Go to our website, and that is gap dash, gap dash event.org. Okay. Gap dash event.org. I've got that right here. Yeah, and if you could just put that up. And the details are there. And details are there. We've got anything you want to know about us, how you can contribute, how you can be a part of it, just anything.

If you don't find it there, call me, I'll give you my number number. So if we wanted to get a Sunday school class or a small group or some group of people, we could either visit and be a part of it. We could stream it and watch it in our home. Yes, yes. That's what we're asking people across the country to do, and that's what they're doing. Pastors have gathered and there have been praying with congregations and designating some. certain homes. Take your small group, for instance. Do that in your small group. You know, we're not the, we're not the gurus on this thing. We're kind of walking through it like you are, but we are the

initiators of getting a merit together. It's never happened before, Alan, in the history of this world. And 250 years, it's this year. And so we're just privileged to be a part of it. And you know, in the Declaration of Independence, God's mentioned four times. Something's going on. He means something. He means that to trickle on down to where we are today. God is on the throne. Absolutely. I hope I appreciate what you're doing. I think it's so important. Your life's made an impact in Middle Tennessee over a broad period of time. Thank you. And I respect you for taking that influence that God gave you and using it for the purposes of his kingdom. Because not everybody's going to celebrate that. And I think it's not just a testimony. I think it's a model for a lot of the people listening to us.

God gives you influence, if he gives you the gifts and the abilities to be successful, I think the purpose of that is use that influence for the sake of the kingdom of God. Raymond Barry? Oh, love Raymond Barry. Know him. Yes. He lived in Murphysboro. Came to church.

He has a good church. Oh, yeah. But he said to me that if God gives you that influence, it's for the purpose of his kingdom. Exactly. And I've never forgotten it. And I think Raymond found that in his life. You know, he's walking off the field from the greatest game ever played. and the Lord revealed himself to him.

And the next chapter of his life is different. I mean, it's still involved with football. And I think you've modeled that in such a beautiful way. Thank you, sir. He was a pleasure to interview. I had him on my talk show on Channel 5 a number of times. He was just the prince of a guy. He is so good.

He and Johnny, I did play-by-play for the Colts before they left Baltimore. I didn't remember that. I remember the Colts in Baltimore. I take me back away. But Johnny U was my color man. And I'm going to tell you what. It was like traveling with a rock star. Everywhere we went, all people just wanted his autograph.

He would stand and he would shake their hand. He would talk to him, pat their babies, kiss their wives or whatever. And he was such a great guy. His high top black cleats. Oh, yeah. I remember those days. I know, that's right. And his flat top.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But it was a great time for me to be. in Baltimore when they were still there. I was a kid, and I remember, we had a friend that had a color television. I'm going to date myself. That's all right.

We went over to their house to watch the Super Bowl when the Colts played the Jets. And I was so disappointed. Yeah, yeah. Because I kept waiting for the Colts just to crush that smart mouth. They were supposed to. And that didn't work out so well. Didn't work out that way. And Joe Namath built a career after that on that, too.

He still doing commercials. He is. That's amazing. Oh, you know, I just believe. I just believe that God's going to pour out his spirit across this country island in the coming days between now and March 1st. I just feel it. We all feel it. We don't know what he's going to do, how he's going to do it, but we're just trying to do our part to bring America back to their knees.

We all need to be on our knees. And whatever form you want to do that, just get on your knees at night and talk to God, talk to Jesus. I'm telling you what? He's standing there waiting. No, I couldn't. We don't have to wait. No. No. No. No. No. We can start tonight. And gap 26 can be the crescendo. Yes. Of days and weeks of prayer, individually and corporately. You know, prayer isn't telling God what to do. Prayer is an invitation into the God in the midst of our circumstances. And I want to be guilty of inviting God's help.

And he doesn't always answer my prayers in the way that I thought he would or the way that I wanted him to. But he's always been faithful to me. We have a kickoff to this whole thing at the Ryman Auditorium. I've heard of that. Yep. It's called, it's Bobby Williams. Bobby Williams is a podcast preacher, minister, shall we say. And it's called, we're going to pick it off there.

He's speaking. Hank's going to speak. I'm going to emce it. We've got lots of Christian singers that are going to come, but it's going to be the kickoff night for Gap 26. and we're announcing it to the entire world, and we bought out the Rhyman Auditorium. And that's a pretty special place to be.

It was built to be a church. A church and a place for revivals. That's a fabulous story, a reminder of how God changes lives. It was a boat captain, right? As I recall, a boat captain that did this whole thing. There's a revivalist coming to Nashville, the leading revivalist of the time. Yes, yes.

And the captain boasted that he was going to disrupt his revival. Right. And he went to the event, and the Lord touched him. And it was a dramatic enough change that the newspapers carried it. Oh, yeah. He had a fleet of riverboats. Yeah. And he said that all of them had bars on them, that he was going to dump the liquor into the Cumberland River.

And they didn't believe him. So they went with him and covered it. Right. Yeah. And they needed a bigger place downtown. So he put together. the project ended up and came because of the Rhyman. They named it in his death after him.

That night is called Encouraging Moments with Bobby Williams. Tickets for $20, about as cheap as you'll ever get in the Rhyman Auditorium. It's going to be a great night, singers, lots of people speaking and talking, and just a great night. So I hope a lot of people take advantage of that. You know, I'm delighted to tell you about one of our sponsors. To be completely honest, we've declined a number of people who wanted to sponsor our podcast or something we were doing. But ancient nutrition isn't just a sponsor.

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nutrition.com and you just use the promo code Allen 30, you get a 30% discount, and you can start this year in a healthier way for more productive outcomes. I think it'll be a blessing to you. This is, you know, there's so much happening that is discouraging and disappointing. The knuckleheads have too many cameras and have too many keyboards. And what I really appreciate about what you and Hank are doing is it's really, to me, is an expression of hope that the God we worship has a history of transforming, not just lives, but cultures. And we have to believe that he can do that in the 21st century where we live.

and it might as well start with us. Oh, boy. Should it ever. Don't ever think anything's too big for God. You know, we can bring prayer into our homes. Don't lose your focus because the people you want to pray aren't praying. You start to pray. And I think we get upset because my pastor won't do this or that or my husband or my wife won't do this or that.

If you and I will decide to be the people God created us to be. Yes. And tape that accelerator to the floorboard and go honor the Lord with our lives. That's right. God will bring about the end. outcomes that will cause his enemies to stand and just shake their head. We may be the only Jesus somebody sees today or hears. And so we have to take advantage of it.

We have to do it because if we don't, who will? Well, I'd say that differently. If we don't, somebody else will and then I'm going to be really sad. I never was one that enjoyed sitting on the bench. We're jealous, aren't we? Yeah, I don't want to sit on a bench and watch somebody else play. Exactly. I didn't want to do it in sports and I certainly don't want to do it with the kingdom of God.

No, no. And so when I see people that are moving with the Lord, I want to do anything I can to add momentum to that or to join them or to be a part of that. I'm not going to stand on the sidelines or sit in the bleachers and criticize the people that are engaged. That makes no sense to me. Well, you can get on board with Gap 26. Go to our website once again and we'll do whatever we can for you. You want to contact us? Contact.

We've got phone numbers there. We're not afraid. We're not afraid to talk to people. I've never known Hope I should be afraid to talk to people. No, I love to talk to people. I love doing talk shows. I mean, you're excellent at it. You should have been in television as well.

Well, you could be a TV. You are a TV preacher. Yeah, isn't that fun? Well. I did that reluctantly. But now, and you wouldn't change it, I bet. No. Right?

Most days I'm okay with it. No, listen, you talk about a huge footprint. You've got a huge footprint, too, my friend. So do you have like a sport coat Hall of Fame? No, no. Yeah. You got a collection? I got, listen, I retired 14 years ago. This is one of the, this is one of the relics that I wore. Did you, was there a clothing men's stop that sponsored you? You know, do you remember? Am I allowed to ask that? Okay, wait. Do you remember leisure suits? I do.

Back in the day now, we're talking back in the 70s. Leisure suits, everybody wore them, and yes, I did commercials for a leisure suit company here in sound, man, I'm telling you what, I had more leisure suits. We'll make you famous all over again. But half the audience out there won't know what we're talking about. But leisure suits were big. But yes, you know, you had to have clothes and you had to wear makeup and, you know, all that kind of thing. But, you know, it was part of the process, part of it.

Here again, I'm just so thankful to be my career during the years of when local television was the thing. Not anymore so much, but so much competition out there. But people, you know what? You keep listening to Alan Jackson and people like him across the country, and you'll get all the knowledge

and all that you need about our Lord and Savior. Just come tasting. Just get involved and put your foot in the water. Once you do, I don't think you'll ever take it out. And once you do, he's got you for life. And you're going to be in a heavenly place. We'll be there. We'll reach you when you get there. Well, that's a good preaching. My guest is Ho Pines. The initiative is Gap 26. It's really a call to prayer for our nation. All 50 states. Amen. A whole variety of expressions. The epicenter of that

is in Dixon, Tennessee. It is. March 1st through the 4th. And they can go to Gap dashevent.org to get all the details. All the details. Find that all about us. And by the way, at the Wonder Center, we've got four, five Indian tribes that are going to be represented. They're going to be there in their full regalia. Wow. We have almost the whole Indian nation that's going to be involved through their networks. We've already, look, I'm telling you. You've been working on this.

Well, Hank has been working on it. I've been helping, but we've got a great team now that we just do. When God puts people together like this, how can you miss? It's a slam dunk, home run, walk off home run every day. It is. Well, the question we always try to answer is, what can we do? We can pray. Yes.

And if your calendar permits, you can be indiction. If it doesn't, open your home, invite some people in. Exactly. Let's make this a thing. Exactly, because we want people to come out in person. But you need to call us and kind of make reservations because we could fill up with 400 seats pretty quick, especially now that we've been on his podcast. Oh, yeah, that'll do it for sure.

Well, I don't want to talk about prayer. I want to pray. So let's ask God for his blessing on this. Father, I thank you. We serve it's your pleasure, and I'm grateful that there is so much evidence that you're moving in the earth. And, Lord, I thank you for what you put in Hope's Heart for Gap 26. And I pray that you'll take He and Hank's efforts and add to those your blessing. Amen.

Stir the hearts of your people from coast to coast and border to border. Amen. In cities and villages and communities and homes and churches. Yes. Lord, to begin to pray as we've never prayed before. I pray that we would respond in such a way that you would be able to bless America again. Lord, you have blessed us over and over again.

Yes. But we are in need of your guidance and direction. And I pray you will use this event to add momentum to what you have begun. In Jesus' name, amen. Amen. Thank you, Ellen. Oh, thank you. It's been a pleasure.

It is an honor to sit down with you. My honor. I feel like I need to go. check the scores. We'll come back and do an update and celebrate what God does. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah.

All right. You got an assignment. Don't just be hearers about what God's doing. Get involved with it. Tell a friend. Share the message. Go check out the website. Let's make this thing impossible to miss.

Let's make him so busy over these next few weeks that he won't keep giving out his phone number. God is moving in the earth and we want to be a part. Thanks for being a part of the podcast today. Thanks for joining me today. Before you go, please like the podcast and leave a comment so more people can hear about this topic too. If you haven't yet, be sure and subscribe to Alan Jackson Ministries YouTube channel and follow the Culture and Christianity Podcast. You can do that on Spotify, Apple Podcast, wherever you get your podcast.

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