Culture & Christianity: The Allen Jackson Podcast - How Sexual Liberation Corrupts Society [Featuring Victoria Robinson]

Episode Date: April 11, 2025

In a culture that glorifies instant gratification, promotes sexual immorality, and dismisses personal responsibility, crucifying our old nature is more critical than ever. Pastor Allen Jackson sits down with Victoria Robinson, a passionate pro-life advocate, speaker, and author, to expose the devastating impact of the sexual revolution and pro-choice movement in our society. Together, they discuss where the Church has failed on the topic of sex and marriage, emphasizing how men, often dismissed in the abortion debate, are deeply affected and left suffering without support. If the Church continues to compromise on the issues of sex, marriage, and the sanctity of life, what will happen to our nation?More Information:Reassemble Retreats: https://www.reassemblelife.com/reassembleThey Lied to Us: https://a.co/d/82La5RnThey Lied to Us Too: https://a.co/d/i3UWM2j__ It’s up to us to bring God’s truth back into our culture. It may feel like an impossible assignment, but there’s much we can do. Join Pastor Allen Jackson as he discusses today’s issues from a biblical perspective. Find thought-provoking insight from Pastor Allen and his guests, equipping you to lead with your faith in your home, your school, your community, and wherever God takes you. Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3JsyO6ysUVGOIV70xAjtcm?si=6805fe488cf64a6d Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/culture-christianity-the-allen-jackson-podcast/id1729435597

The woman at the abortion clinic told me, leave here and never think of it again. You're so early, there's nothing there with a clump of cells. You're only six weeks pregnant, so this isn't going to bother you. You're so young, you can have more children later. All of those lies, but I kept thinking something must be wrong with me

because she said, I should be fine, but I wasn't fine. So it was 10 years I found a woman at a church who I confessed to, and she said, let's get you in some abortion recovery. And that's what's what you. changed my life. So when agnostics, when atheists, when some guy practicing whatever Nordic is, says to me, okay, I'm willing to come anyway because I can't live with this anymore. I'm willing

to try even Jesus. And then they find out after the retreat, hey, tell me more about this guy. Welcome to culture and Christianity. Our objective is pretty clear. We want to take our faith outside the walls of the church. We don't want to avoid the church. I think you need to be inside the walls of a church on a regular basis. There is no replacement for that community of people, like-minded people, that admit they're in process of getting to know the Lord. Church is not a Hall of Fame, folks.

It's a triage unit. So if you're standing outside the church because you think everybody inside's a hypocrite, there's room for one more. We'll squeeze you in. Christians are not perfect, but we are in process. But we don't want to leave our faith in there. So we want to talk about how we take our faith and make an impact in our culture so that our biblical worldview brings benefit to the world around us. And I am delighted to have back with us today, Victoria Robinson.

Welcome back. You are not more as delighted as me. I was so happy to be here again. I couldn't believe it was July when you were here the last time. It was. It seems like yesterday. I think as I get older, the years, the days, I don't even know how we're already in 2025. and almost in April.

It's crazy. Christmas comes every 90 days now. Feels like that to me. It does. But you know, we are, I used to, we had a lot of storms around here in the past few days. And so when I get up on Sunday, I borrowed the emotion of that and said, I think we're living through a truth storm. It feels like to me the truth is being released and there's a force to it, you know, like

a wind shear or, I mean, it really, it feels like a truth storm. storm, and we've seen DEI being pushed back to the margins. We have public figures of great influence standing up and saying there's actually only two sexes, which we weren't really willing to say in very many churches. What a concept. Even the scientific community was hiding from that. And we've seen so much movement around these issues that are not political issues. They're biblical worldview issues. But the one issue that hasn't moved so much, is abortion. You know, Roe v. Wade got overturned, and we'd all lived for decades with this imagination that if that ever happened, abortion would be chased back into the shadows.

And that hasn't been our reality. And so I think, I know for myself even it's disorienting. I'm still, and it's made me more determined than ever to pick up this issue. It's why I wanted to sit down with you again. I had a doctor here last week. He did a wonderful job. He's the pro-life doc is kind of his handle. But he's delivered thousands of babies, but he's done some animations of medical procedures being done on babies that are still in utero. And the animations don't have all the gore that you would see in a real-time. And it's very, you know, if a baby has open-heart surgery in utero,

the mom has an anesthesiologist, mom has a doctor, but the baby has an anesthesiologist and the baby has a doctor. Yeah. And the baby is a billable event and the mom is a billable event. How about that? And the insurance company recognizes both as persons and patients. Now, tragically, you could take that same mom to another floor in the hospital and pull that baby apart, which is still difficult for me to imagine. It's mind-blowing.

It's my, I mean, you can't really rationalize it. They try to, but you can't. I know this is your lane, but let's just start with. How do we engage people on this topic so that we begin to make an impact again? Because the politicians will reflect the changes that come in the general culture. They just want to vote. Right. And right now it's expedient to them to be not protecting our children.

So how do we engage this conversation? With the truth, what you just said, the bold truth. and we've got to stop being especially, and I'm not talking about just Christians. I mean, I meet people who are not Christians who are pro-life and do more for the pro-life agenda than some Christians, if we're being honest. So I think it's being bold and not caring so much about what everybody else thinks and start caring about what the truth is and about what Christ says about life. And life, as we know it, it begins at conception.

We know that. It is a Christian. The Lord said, I knew you before. I formed you in your mother's womb. But people know the truth, Pastor, because it's out there. All you have to do is a simple search. Even science has proven that life begins at conception. We are unique human beings with our own DNA.

So I think it's got to be educating people, not screaming at them, not going after them in front of abortion clinics. That's just, that's not going to do anything except make people run. I can remember when I was a post-abortive woman before coming to healing, before coming through Christ's healing, that when people would do that and scream about women who'd had abortions or be outside of malls or on the street with dead baby signs, that didn't make me want to run to the church. It made me want to run away from the church. So I think it starts with the truth. It starts with people being bold, but also extending love and grace, the same love

and grace and mercy that Christ extends to them. Well, I think there's almost two conversations. the love and grace without question, but establishing truth. Yes. Because until you've established truth, we don't even know where love and grace is necessary. Correct. It's all squishy. You know, and I have begun thinking about this because it really has grieved me that our hearts are in such a place. Yeah.

You know, it grieves me a lot that a president has to stand up. I mean, for the most part, a secular president has to stand up and say there's two sexes. you know, where the heck were the churches? Where were the, where was the scientific community? Correct. I mean, we were so cowed by cultural pressure that we were denying the truth that is fundamental to who we are professionally, either as professional Christians or professional health care workers.

And I think we're still a bit in that, you know, I've been thinking, I want to say to the Christian man, because we're going to talk about that a little bit today. You know, I got one way to help with this. If you're single, don't date a woman that's pro-choice. Why would you have a date with a woman that would think it's okay to kill your child? Yes, correct. I mean, just don't do that. Right.

And I would say the same thing to a woman. Don't go out of a guy that would ever put pressure on you. Now, best choice is don't be engaged in behavior that will make a child until you're married and ready to take care of it. Yes. You know, Pastor Allen, that's so true. And I hear from people all the time who are single that are Christians who are engaging in sex. And then they get pregnant and they want to cover their sin. Just like what David did.

We read about David. Everybody wants to cover their sin. Why are you doing it in the first place? I am a been single for a long time. And I've gone out with Christian men, Christian men who professed to be. And things they say before the app, Apportizer comes to the table. I'm like, check please. I am blown away by the things coming out of their mouth because of who they presented themselves to be. So what's unfortunate it is I can expect it from

the person who doesn't know the Lord, who's not in church, but we could do a whole podcast or sermons every week for the rest of your life on just the ones that are in the church. But yet we expect them to know the difference when people in the church don't even know the difference of what they shouldn't, shouldn't be doing. I did a program called Real Love Waits. I don't until I do, which was an abstinence program that was teaching students to abstain from sex outside of marriage, alcohol, drugs, gang activity, those kind of behaviors, because it would take you down the wrong path. And the public school kids heard it, the private and the Christian school kids heard it, and they would say, well, gosh, no one's ever told us why we shouldn't be engaging in these things.

we've got to educate our young people as well. And we also have to create value. I think so many young people don't feel worthy. They have no value. So they sell themselves short by having sex outside of marriage. Of course, there's peer pressure. They have parents possibly that are not teaching them the right thing to do. They're handing them condoms, if we're being honest.

They're telling them, oh, just don't get pregnant. Don't come home pregnant. So then we have young girls running to abortion clinics because their parents said, don't come home pregnant. It all starts with education. So I love what you said because it's true. Let's start from where we don't end up pregnant in the first place, where we're faced with an incredibly difficult decision now. What do I do now? Because I'm pregnant. So why don't we start with that? But not enough people are talking about that. We don't like to abstain from anything that we want. I don't like abstain for me in a cheeseburger every day. But I know it's not

healthy for me. So I don't. So I don't. So. So we don't like it when people tell us we shouldn't. But when I say to these kids and even college students, why do you think God has these principles in place? It's not to harm you. It's not to say I don't want you having fun or enjoying life. It's because I love you enough to tell you the truth, because I want to protect you from a road you're going to go down

that you don't want to go. That's not my plan for you. So we've got to start way back before you even get to the place where you're pregnant. You brought the point up, and I'm going to wander a minute, but we'll come back to our theme. I'm going to take a sip of water out of my favorite cup. That'll be good. We'll see that you get another one. I think what you described is that, in biblical language, it's that carnal self within us.

The Bible uses several phrases, our Adamic self, our old nature, our carnal self. But it's that part of me that says, I want what I want. And I think what I think, and I feel what I feel, and nobody can tell me other words. And you're right, you have thoughts and feelings and desires. But it doesn't mean they're all in your best interest. And a part of being a Christ follower especially, we're told that we have to take that old nature and we have to crucify it. And the cheeseburger is a great example. Rather than, we have changed our definitions of obesity so we don't have to face the fact that we have a problem.

And so, you know, now we call it what we have a whole new label. fat shaming and body shaming. There's no shaming in it. It's physically destructive. Right. And I know there are some exceptions where there's probably some extenuating circumstances, but in most of our cases, we put too much on our forks and we don't move enough. You're exactly right.

At least that's my challenge. Yes. And I like sweets. And I think we've got to be willing to engage in the conversation that we have to learn discipline in a way that we have rejected it for the most part. No one can tell me what to do. No one can tell me what to feel. Well, God can.

He's the design engineer. And I think as parents, as churches, as a culture, we've been so reluctant to do that. Yeah. And now we're way into the spectrum over here on license. And we see some of the destruction and we're having a hard time navigating. So I appreciate your voice. You know, someone said to me, pastor, she looked at me and she looked at me and she was transitioning, which is a whole other topic. And she said every morning I wake up, Victoria,

I just talk myself out of slitting my wrist. So I'm doing this to help me feel better about myself because I know I have a mental illness. And I looked at her after she was going through the process, we met again months later. I said, so how are you doing now? She said, I'm no better. I'm not doing any better than I was six months ago. Because we have, got a sin issue in this country. And we have got people who are, the quick fix, do this, do this, do that, do this, do that. I'll take this pill to lose weight. I'll take these shots to lose weight. Nobody wants to put anything into anything because we have this fast food mentality of a society that we live in, give it to me now and don't tell me no. And that's why we're seeing so much destruction in every area.

It's not just the abortion issue or getting pregnant outside of a marriage or being in a crisis, unplanned pregnancy. It's in so many issues. I'm sorry, but obesity is an issue that's going to cause you many issues. And when people will say to me, and I'm not trying to fat shame, if that's what people would accuse me of doing, I'm trying to be honest with you because I don't care what you say. I know that you're hurting when you get up. You're hurting when you're walking around. You don't feel your best. And that is not God's plan for you. So there's a better plan. So that goes with everything. You can use that scenario for so many different subjects.

Yeah. And we all have these battles. That's the other piece I think we have to be candid about. You know, it was a few years ago. I went to the doctor and he said, you know, if you don't change your lifestyle, I'm going to have to classify you as obese. I remember walking out of his office thinking, no, I'm going to change doctors. Yeah.

That's easier than changing lifestyles. That's true. That is good. Now, I did change. but my instinct was I just didn't like the message. Right. So I'm not going to come back to the messenger anymore. We're easily offended.

None of us are. We all have to choose disciplined lives. Yeah. Or we have destructive consequences. I agree. But I want to pivot back because you have a, I feel like God's given you an insight of revelation, if I use biblical language again on the abortion issue.

I talk to lots of people. I talk to doctors and activist. and a whole menu. But you have a very unique awareness of the spiritual impact of abortion. You know, I think the objective or the goal in most people's minds is there's a pregnancy and it's an unwanted time. And they think if they terminate the pregnancy, it's kind of a closed issue then, which is really a profound ignorance to believe that of spiritual things.

and you have a very powerful voice and insight into that. Talk to us a little bit about it. And I want to get particularly, I think, the impact of men because I think men think women are the one that bear the scars. And again, that is a profoundly uninformed position. Well, unfortunately, for me, the experience and expertise, if you call it, came the hard way because I chose an abortion.

Most expertise comes the hard way. It does. It does. And I went through that excruciating decision, and I take full responsibility, but I do know, looking back as a very young woman that I was lied to and manipulated by a multi-billion dollar industry. And when people try to convince me that the abortion industry is four women, they're sadly mistaken. They haven't done their research, because if they had, they'd understand that it's anything but for women. And so for 10 years, I lived in that guilt and shame and got involved in relationships I shouldn't have because I thought I deserved them that were abusive and physically, emotionally, spiritually, because that was my penance in life until I found someone who helped me and talked to me about abortion recovery, talked to me about Jesus. Many people that I meet, Pastor Allen, since that time, have tried everything. I just had a phone call with a man two weeks ago who's in. into a very new age religion,

but he had an abortion with his girlfriend years ago that has traumatized him. And so after he told me all about this stuff, he's into Nordic stuff and hedonism, and I mean, it was a lot of stuff. When he was finished, I said, have you ever tried Jesus? And he said, well, I can't say that I have.

But I think I'm doing okay. I said, then why are you on the phone with me? You don't sound okay to me. So I'm going to tell you that my retreats are biblically based. The same retreat I went through for my own healing so many years ago, 28 years ago, and it was all biblically based. And when I was asked to go and I went, she said, don't forget your Bible. Well, what if I don't have a Bible?

Well, we'll give you a Bible. But they never pretended it wasn't what it was. But I tried everything. The point is I tried everything that I thought would help me not feel the guilt and shame, even going to church and cleaning toilets and working in the nursery and doing all of those things, nothing helped me. So the woman at the abortion clinic told me, leave here and never think of it again. You're so early, there's nothing there but a clump of cells. You're only six weeks pregnant. So this isn't going to bother you. You're so young, you can have more children later. All of those lies.

But I kept thinking something must be wrong with me because she said, I should be fine. But I wasn't fine. So it was 10 years I found a woman at a church who I confessed to, and she said, let's get you in some abortion recovery. And that's what changed my life. So when agnostics, when atheist, when some guy practicing whatever Nordic is, says to me, okay, I'm willing to come anyway because I can't live with this anymore. I'm willing to try even Jesus. And then they find out after the retreat, hey, tell me more about this guy, because you can't. I can't deny that fact. So people who have come that have said I've tried psychiatry work.

I've tried and that's no knock on getting counseling and help. But nothing's helped to me. They go through a biblically based retreat like we do to help people the same retreat that helped me. And then they want to know more about who's this Jesus guy because everything else hasn't worked. So that's what I tell people all the time. Give him a shot. What else have you got to lose? It's his reputation on the line.

not mine. Hey, I've written the new book, Angels, Demons, and You. I believe. I believe in angels. I believe in demons. And I believe they impact you and me. We better have a plan for that. You know, I meet Christians all the time.

He says, well, I just don't believe in that, pastor. I don't like to talk about that. That's a novel approach. You know, I like to eat chocolate. Suppose I said, I just don't believe chocolate will make you fat. I don't believe that. It wouldn't make me thin. Denying the truth of Scripture will not make us safer, happier,

our lives more fruitful. We need to take counsel from the Word of God so we can live victorious lives. Angels and demons are real. The demons oppose the purposes of God for you. The angels will help with the purposes of God for you. We need a plan for how we can engage in a meaningful way. This book is taken from Scripture intended to help you flourish in your journey through time. You can get a copy at allanjaxon.com slash warfare. But I think a lot of Christians, or a lot of people in churches with Christian backgrounds, think that the Jesus experience is fully understood in terms of conversion, the new birth, that if you have said the sinner's prayer and been baptized and you have some participation in community,

that you've experienced the Jesus initiative. Right. And if I hear you correctly, you're saying it's, it's, it's, a far more profound influence in your life than that initial step into the kingdom of God. Not in any way to denigrate or diminish the necessity, the significance of new birth. Yes. But there's a far greater freedom that can be ours in Christ. Here's the difference with the abortion sin.

First of all, we weren't born. It's not natural for us to kill our children. It's not natural for a woman who, her jobs to nurture. We give life. We bring forth life. which is why the enemy comes after us so hard. He knows we bring forth life. With men, God created them to protect, to take care of their family.

So it's not natural for them to kill their own children. Maybe at the beginning they feel, oh, good, thank goodness. I can be done with her now and I don't have to deal with it. But it will catch up with them. So people that come to my retreats are also saved Christians, who that is the one sin they're struggling with, Pastor, because I was that person. I came to Christ, but I didn't get help.

for my abortion sin years later. And I think I told you on the last podcast when I was here, I did anything the church wanted me to do. I sang on the worship team. I worked in the youth group. I did everything. Now I'm saved. I need to do all these works things.

Then he'll forgive me for that one sin, because that's the one sin. I know I'm still going to carry the rest of my life until I do enough. So those are the Christians sitting in churches week after week, one out of four women and men who've either participated or had an abortion. They think and believe

See, I can't, people who have had an abortion cannot understand that. They can sympathize with me. They cannot empathize. I can empathize with the person who's had an abortion because I know exactly, yes, it's not rational. People will say, it doesn't make sense, Vic. You believe Jesus forgives you for all sin, but why didn't you believe he forgived you for that one? You're never going to understand why, because you thank God are not post-abortive like me. but the post-abortive man or woman, even after accepting Christ and having an incredibly

salvation, an incredible salvation experience like I did, still that one little thing in the back of their mind, I know you forgave me for that, for premarital sex, for lying, for gossiping, for whatever the sin that I'm getting drunk, whatever it was. But that's the one I know I'm going to have to do more for you to forgive that one because I killed my baby. So they can't rationalize that in the way that it's true. Christ went to the cross for every sin. At my retreats, I say to these precious people who trust me when they're going on and on about how much they hate themselves

and they can't believe they did it. I have them imagine a cross on the wall. And I build this story up with them and they're intently listening and I'm saying to them, just imagine. Think about the passion of the Christ and he did it all for us on the cross, didn't he? and they're like, yes, he did, he did. And then I walk up and I slap the wall so hard that it startles them. I say every time you don't believe he's forgiven you for the sin of abortion,

it's like slapping him in the face while he's suffering on the cross, dying for every one of your sins and saying, that ought to do. He forgives all sins, including abortion. But they have to come to that. And I think maybe it helps when they're in a room with someone like me and other men and women who've gone through what they've gone through to show them, it's not just me who's felt this way for decades.

It's not just me who's believed this lie, not anymore. So it is different. And there are those people who go except Christ at an altar or come to your service and immediately, praise God for them. But even those people contact me, pastor, and say, do you think I should do one of your retreats? I know Jesus and I love Jesus, but I still cringe when I hear the word abortion. And that means you're not walking in true healing.

Yeah, but you open the doors of some really important things. God created us as unique individuals, our thumbprint, our eyes were unique. And God deals with us uniquely. You know, I have led people to the Lord. I've had friends who, when they accepted the Lord, they're delivered from habits, alcoholism, cocaine, whatever. They're delivered from these things. But not everybody is. I know people that receive the Lord, and then they have to grow up in their faith to learn how to overcome addictions.

And we need 12 steps. And I don't think one is more saved than the other. I don't think, God, Jesus didn't heal everybody the same way. Right. But I think the principle, and I know we've talked about this, is that with an abortion, and we could choose any sin. but repentance is one part of the freedom that is ours and being forgiven. But there are spiritual influences in our lives. If you've been involved with the occult, and you can repent of that,

but there's also some spiritual influences that are left that will impede your ability to believe until you're freed from them. And what I know you help people with is some of the spiritual impact of an abortion decision. and that's true for men and it's equally, it's true for men, I mean, it's true for women, but it's equally true for men. Absolutely. Can you talk a little bit about what you've found,

the kind of freedom that people need some help? Because it's more than just being forgiven. One of the biggest things they all say to me and it's at every time I talk with someone is, Victoria, I believe Jesus maybe has forgiven me, but I can't forgive myself. And I remind them, well, I didn't realize you died on the cross for all of our sins.

It just kind of gives them a moment where they put it in perspective what they're saying. So really it's a matter, pastor, of shifting the paradigm as to them going this way and having a some people would call a light bulb moment. I call it a Jesus moment, a kiss from heaven, where the Lord's just going, I've been saying this to you. Now Vic says it and you believe her. but sometimes that's what it takes. I mean, I've got four daughters.

They'd come home from school saying so-and-so's mom said this, and I think they're right, and I'd be like, I've been telling you that for months. No, you've never told me that. It's that third-party thing. I don't know why, but that's why I always say, Lord, just use me. I will be a vessel for you.

And when people are in retreat saying, oh, Victoria, you just help me see this. No, I didn't. I'm just here letting the Lord, the Holy Spirit, lead me into helping you see it. don't look at me, because if you put me on a pedestal, I will disappoint you, trust me. Look at him. He's the one that's doing it. So they have all these spiritual things that happen throughout the retreats that we do. And it just, it's sometimes it's just a tiny little tweak.

It's not even much where someone else might be looking back watching going, that's all it took. Yeah, just like slapping him on the face saying, that's not good enough. I mean, that's what you're saying to Jesus when he died on the cross. You're telling him, that's not good enough for my sin of abortion when it is. So it's getting them to realize, oh my gosh, have I been that blind? Yeah, because there's still what you said, the occult, the different things that are filtering through your brain from everywhere you've been, that we've got to continually be cleaning out so you can renew your mind and thinking of things, godly things, and putting your mind on him. And that's when things change about how you view

things that really, when you, after you're through it, pastor, you go, how was I so stupid to believe that lie? But when you're in it, there's nothing truer than the lie. Well, spiritual forces blind us. They do. Absolutely do. And we have to, biblically, we have to believe in more than just the spirit of God. There are other spiritual forces. That's right. That's what's interesting to me when people say, I don't believe in all that other, really? You don't believe in the demonic? It's everywhere. Look around. I always smile, as if me declaring I don't believe in it eliminates the reality. If that works, I don't believe there's fat and chocolate. Let's go.

Give me some more Recy Cuts. That's my weakness. So take a minute. Provide a little coaching to some men that are listening. And abortion has been a part of their journey. Yeah, men, gosh, for years and years, I have only done women. women's retreats for over two decades. And men would approach me at my book table or they would approach me when I'd speak at a church or wherever I was and say, hey, do you only help women? And I would say, well, I do.

That's what I'm called to do. You should go find a guy to talk to. Now I'm doing men's retreats that I have men who help with that. I think that men who are post-abortive have to gain courage to tell the right person, get in touch with someone in their church, or like this young man I just talked to, the one that I was just telling you about, the new age guy,

he found me through, which is always crazy how the Lord just brings people, he's the greatest networker and the greatest chess player. But this guy found me from a girl that was at an event that came to my retreat. It wasn't even a pro-life event. And they met through there, and she started sharing with this guy out of the blue,

how she accepted Christ at a reassemble retreat. and how it just has changed her entire life. It rocked her whole life, and her life's never been the same. So that's what made him go, so what is this retreat? So he was brave enough to say, tell me about this.

Men have to get braver. They'll tell me sometimes, many times, Pastor Allen. Tell us what to do, Vic. We want to do something, but we've been told keep our mouth shut for so long, we don't know what we're allowed to say. When I do my men's retreat, the men will say to me on Sunday

when we're concluding, What can we do? And I say, share your story. Share your story because other men need to hear your story that will give them the courage to tell their story. It may not be on a platform. It may not be on a video or on your Facebook, but they'll seek out help because they'll realize I'm not alone. So more men that are post-abortive that speak out, I'm convinced that abortion recovery, pastor is the backdoor approach to making abortion unthinkable. Because when you think, think about the multi-millions of men and women sitting at home right now are out there in this country who are suffering alone because they don't think there's help available. They've never

heard about help. And they think this is their penance, just like I did for 10 years. If they find the truth and hear the truth, they'll start speaking out. It may not be on a platform, but it'll be at their workplace. It'll be in their families with their sons. That's what will make abortion unthinkable. When people hear the truth of how damaging it is, so we need more men to stand up for life. We do. We need more men to not be afraid of standing up for life. Then we'd have, that could change everything. That's changed the whole landscape if men would just take their place where they should. So I think it's got to be about speaking out, finding courage to find the right person to talk to. And if you're suffering, tell somebody you trust. That's the first thing.

because when they do that, it opens the floodgates. I'll tell you why. This guy, let's say he's feeling nobody would want to be around me. How am I going to tell these guys what I've done? When he tells someone he trusts and that person looks at him and goes, buddy, I had no idea. How can I help you? Instead of, you're a murderer, you sinner. I can't believe I've known you all these years and you killed your baby in college.

When they tell the right person and the Lord will take care of that. And they're met with grace and mercy and love. and help, then they're more apt to go, oh gosh, maybe everybody won't hate me. Maybe everybody won't condemn me. And that's what it's going to take. It's going to take more people speaking up. I agree. The devil's an accuser. And the accusations he feeds us inwardly are debilitating. Oh my gosh, yes. And coming to the truth is such a tremendous point of freedom. I think the more we can share that and the more we can encourage people to take those stats, You know, I hear that when we say abortion is wrong, that we're not extending grace and mercy and love.

I hear that a lot, and I hear it in pastor's conversations because they're reluctant to talk about it because it'll be perceived that way. And we all understand that it's prevalent. 60 million children, it's touched all of us directly and indirectly. But the point of grace and mercy is to bring us to repentance. Yes. grace and mercy without bringing us to repentance is license to continue in destructive paths. Correct. You know, grace and mercy to someone struggling with an addiction without a call to a change of

behavior, you're encouraging and then towards complete self-destruction. And to leave somebody trapped with the consequence of an ungodly choice is not grace or mercy. You know, grace is accepting the frailty of the human consent. condition, but then inviting somebody towards repentance, towards a change of thought. Yes. And a change of behavior. You know, Pastor, I had a woman that reminds me who said to me in a retreat, she was a little angry. She came as a promise to someone. I get a lot of angry people on Thursday night. So, and then we start. And I just sit back and go, I'm glad you're here, because I know what's coming. I know Sunday's right around the corner. Tomorrow's right around the

corner. Each day they get better. But she looked at me and she said, well, I see a therapist. And I see him every week I have for seven years, and he told me I made the right decision when I was a teenager. He told me there was nothing wrong with what I did. It was the right choice at the time. I would have been crazy to have a baby that age. And I said to her, he's not a Christian counselor, is he? She said, how do you know that? I said, because no legitimate Christian counselor should ever tell you what you did was okay. Abortion is wrong, period. That's why you're here. That's why you've been struggling still for 18, 19 years because deep down you know it was wrong. And you're trying to reconcile in your mind what he's telling you, but then why do I still feel this way? So you're

absolutely right. Abortion is wrong. And I'm saying abortion is murder. Now, I've not looked at a woman and I'll say, you're a murderer. I would never do that to a post-abort of man or woman. I've had it said to me by many Christians, the murderer killed my baby and knew exactly what he was doing. This young woman was manipulated at the most vulnerable time of her life and lied to, and I believed it because I needed to believe it. I had two little girls at home that I could barely take care of. They knew the situation my life was, and they pray on women in the most vulnerable time of their life. But the abortionist knew exactly what he or she is doing. And they've admitted it.

Go watch abortionists. They'll say, yeah, we know it's a baby. Yes, we know we're killing a baby. Yes, we know we're dismembering a baby. But it's what they want. And we're going to help women by doing what they need. So that girl, I had to have that moment with her. I thought she was going to throw her book at me.

She wanted to, but she didn't. But that girl in that weekend accepted Christ. That girl in that weekend said to me on Saturday evening before we ended Sunday. She says, Victoria, did you know that your bedroom is above mine? I said, no, I didn't know which room we were in. She said, every morning when you get up, you have a certain walk. Apparently, I have a walk. I didn't know.

Who knew? And she said, every time you've got out of bed, I've heard your feet going wherever you're doing. And I've thought, I'll bet Satan's mad. Vic is up. She said, that's what I want. I want him to be so mad and threatened by me every time I get up in the morning because he knows I'm going to do something. That girl went from my Christian counselor told me there's nothing wrong with what I did. This angry, angry girl.

Was it because of Victoria? No. It was because of Jesus. It was because she heard the truth and the truth sets you free. That's why we can't lie to people. I've lost someone in my life that I'm very, it was very dear to me. her whole entire life turned her back on me because I refuse to call her a different gender that she wants me to call her.

I said, I can't lie to you. I love you too much. I won't lie, but I still love you. But because of that, I've been cut off. We can't lie to people just because we think it makes our life easier. We either believe this truth or we don't. A doctor that doesn't tell the truth isn't a kind doctor. He's a quack.

It smells. practice. That's right. That's right. And a Christian that doesn't tell the truth isn't kind. That's exactly right. And even people get angry with you. Eventually they'll turn around like that beautiful young woman did and go, wow. And she even said, on Sunday when we left, and I give them opening, she said, had it not been you doing this retreat, I would have run over anybody else. But you held me firm and you wouldn't let me lie to you and you wouldn't let me say things that weren't true, and you called me to the carpet. That's what we have to do. I didn't do that because I think I'm all that, and because I don't, I want to be right. I want you to know the truth,

because I know where you can walk if you'll just accept the truth, embrace the truth, and it's going to change your life. That other stuff hasn't been working with you. That guy walking around, whatever it is, he's worshipping, is not working. The only thing that works is Jesus. Amen. That's it. Well, you have some amazing resources for people. I know you do retreats. Tell us a little about some of the options. So we do four-day retreats. Well, Thursday, we start. We end on Sunday. I do those all across the country. And I'm doing women's retreats, men's retreats that are just men, and couples' retreats. The couples' retreats are for couples who actually had an abortion of their own child together, that have beat the odds, because nine out of ten times couples who have an abortion together don't last.

They don't stay together. But these couples have beat the odds, and they're staying together. pastor, they've never talked about the abortion issue in their marriage. And it's that underlying hurt that they just don't talk about, but they're both individually hurting. So we started doing couples retreats a year and a half ago. They've blown me away, not just because of what I see the Lord do individually with these people. Their marriages are being transformed. And they're now adult children and grandchildren. It's a snowball effect. It doesn't matter how long it's been, the Lord can heal you. It's never too late. Never too late. So how do people find out about those or even if they want to schedule one website?

Yes. They can go to reassemblelife.com and you can reach out to me there and I will personally get your email. So if you want to talk to me about your own abortion pass, no one sees your email except for me. And so you can find me that way as well. All right. And you've published in books. I did. They lied to us and then they lied to us too. One directed more at women and one at men. Yes, one filled with stories from women who had abortions, why they chose, and how the Lord healed them, and then they lied to us too, is men's stories. And the thing that I always find interesting about the men's stories is these precious men wanted to share their stories.

Those books could be this thick, pastor, but I wanted it to be an easy read for the woman or man who's considering an abortion. And those men, every one of them said, please don't use my name because I don't want to hurt her more than I already have. And I don't want her to know that's me talking about our story. So can you change locations, just a few things so that she won't recognize it's me in case she picks up your book. So these men are not just hurting. They grieve the women they hurt as well. So this is not just an issue for women. This is also an issue for men. We all need healing. And they can find these on your website too? They can find those on my website or Amazon. Amazon bought my publishing company, so they're on Amazon. Nothing I can do about it if you hate

Amazon, sorry. Or get in touch with me. You can buy them from me. Either way. Well, Victoria Robinson, I thank you for your determined voice. Thank you. You are making a difference in our world. I appreciate that. I think one day we will celebrate with the children whose lives have been impacted. And I think we will see the scourge turned back in our nation. I do too. I truly do. There's a truth storm. And I believe it's going to blow through this topic. as well, and I am looking forward to that very much. So thank you for coming back on the podcast again. I'm a favorite cup. You are most welcome. I'm taking too, I hope. You are. You can take as many as you'd like. Thanks for having me. It's culture and Christianity. We're not, you know, we're called to be in the world, but not of it,

which means we're not unaware, we're not ignorant. We don't cover our eyes and stop our ears and pretend that we don't notice. We will accept the difficult assignment of telling the truth in our world and acknowledging our own frailty, on our own brokenness. If we'll do that, and all of us have broken places, this may not be an issue that has been directly a part of your journey, but all of us have issues with ungodliness that have been directly a part of our journey. And we have got to come with the humility to repent

and to turn away from that and to choose God's path. And then we find a freedom that gives us a strength to face the challenges of life and be triumphant. Jesus didn't die on a cross, so we would live defeated lives and hide in caves. He came that we might be triumphant, but that begins by understanding our own need for forgiveness and restoration. Today has been a wonderful skill set. Share it with somebody. Go get these resources. These books are simple as the wrong word. They're easy reads, but they are powerful stories on spiritual freedom and to help people.

These are something to keep in your little personal library and share with people as you are doing life with your friends and family. God's moving in the earth and I want to be a part. I intend to see culture and Christianity yield to the Lordship of Jesus and I'm honored to be a part of the story with you. Hey, thanks for joining me today. Before you go, please like the podcast and leave a comment so more people can hear about this topic too.

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