Culture & Christianity: The Allen Jackson Podcast - Lies That Americans Believe [Featuring John Amanchukwu]

Episode Date: November 15, 2024

"I've been able to amass over 300 million views by speaking out at school board meetings, really displaying and showing the insanity of what's going on," John Amanchuckwu told Pastor Allen in this podcast. "There have been several other victories, like flipping school boards, striking down a transgender policy in new Jersey, and removing dozens of pornographic books [from school libraries]." Amanchukwu is a pastor and a bold and passionate advocate for children, families, and truth. Often labeled a "book-banning pastor" and ironically accused of being a "white supremacist," John shares his journey of standing on the frontlines of the culture war. As you listen, you'll see how one godly man's unrelenting voice can usher truth and change into schools and communities across the nation.More Information:22 Words: Exposing the Loss of Decency in American Education: https://22wordsfilm.com/Hoodwinked: 10 Lies Americans Believe and the Truth That Will Set Them Free: https://a.co/d/e6HimAF__ It’s up to us to bring God’s truth back into our culture. It may feel like an impossible assignment, but there’s much we can do. Join Pastor Allen Jackson as he discusses today’s issues from a biblical perspective. Find thought-provoking insight from Pastor Allen and his guests, equipping you to lead with your faith in your home, your school, your community, and wherever God takes you. Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3JsyO6ysUVGOIV70xAjtcm?si=6805fe488cf64a6d Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/culture-christianity-the-allen-jackson-podcast/id1729435597

When they say banning a book, that means that you're taking this book out of circulation, period. I.E., it's not simply being removed from the bookshelves of a library at school or from a public library. Okay? My argument is this, remove it from the bookshelbs at school and from public libraries and allow parents to make a decision on whether or not they want their child to read this. You can still find it on Amazon. You can still find it through Barnes and Nobles, right? But what we're saying is it should not be in a public or government school under any circumstances. That's not book banning.

That's good leadership. Hey, this is Pastor Allen, and I'm grateful that you've taken the time to listen to our culture and Christianity podcast. This is a disclaimer. We haven't done that on a podcast before. but my guest today is John Amun Chukwu. He has been a strong voice for our children, particularly in advocating that some of these inappropriate materials be removed from our school libraries.

And as a part of this interview today, he's going to read a few sentences from one of those books. And if you're listening to this and you've got small children around you, it's really not great content for them. I don't think it's great content for the adults, but I think if we don't understand what's in the material, We won't have the necessary commitment to see it removed. This is not about banning books.

This is about age-appropriate learning. And the Christian community has been far too silent. I think you'll enjoy John a great deal, but I didn't want you to be caught off guard if you had little people with you while you were listening to the podcast. So enjoy John, and let's see if we can't do a better job of standing up for our children. All right.

Welcome back to culture and Christianity. where the goal is to understand how our faith impacts our culture so that we don't just live inside the church with theoretical Bible studies. I talk quite a bit about the theater of the absurd, and it continues to release new additions of the unbelievable. It's just it's hard to process, from tampons and boys' bathrooms, to it seems to me a systematic assault raging against our children. And I'm excited about our guest today. I hope you know him. If you don't, you need the introduction. John Amanchuku, welcome.

Thank you so much for having me, you own pastor. You are the author of Hoodwink, Ten Lies, that Americans Believe. We want to unpack that a little bit. You have a new film out, 22 words, exposing the loss of decency in American education. Yes. You are on the front lines who are standing up for children. This is true. We're fighting and contending every week, and I tell you what, we ultimately win.

We know that. But there are some small victories that we see along the way as we win the war. And I've been able to amass over 300 million views speaking out at school board meetings, really displaying and showing the insanity of what's going on. And there have been several other victories like flipping school boards. We flipped to striking down a transgender policy in New Jersey and removing dozens of pornographic books that we're going to get into today as well. You are. It's amazing. Before we trigger anybody needlessly, tell us what your hat says.

It says, make America godly again. Amen, my friend. That's a conversation started. When I go to the airport, people are oftentimes looking at it, and they're like, what is that saying? They look at the G, and they're looking for great, where they see godly, and they don't know how to respond, whether they should like it or not. But oftentimes say that if we make it godly, we'll make it great. And that's where I stand with that. Well, I've had the privilege of knowing you for a while. So before we get into your work and what you're doing, maybe just tell the people a little bit how you landed in this spot. I mean, you're on the front lines, truly, across our country, standing up for kids.

But your background's a part of this story. Can you give us just a quick snapshot? Yes. So I was born in Elizabeth City, North Carolina. My mother moved us to Riley, North Carolina when I was at the age of about three. She packed up four children in the back of a black Thunderbird with Reeves. Red Interior. Come on.

I'll never forget it. She only had $100 to her name, to her name. And we lived in a shelter for nearly a year. And from that shelter, we went to Section 8 housing and public assistance there. And then ultimately, Habitat for Humanity built us a home. And the beautiful thing is that while my mom was working while we were in the shelter, she was working at NC State University on the janitorial services team. And fast forward about 18 years from that point, God allows her youngest child to graduate from that same university.

You know, the Lord has a sense of humor. And so I've seen the goodness of God. I've seen a family that was resilient, you know, and that struggled and had challenges just overcome. And I really point back to the fact that my mother kept us in church. And she was a devout Christian, and she always prayed. And she would listen to her Shirley Caesar gospel soundtrack. nearly three to four times a week. And I was always the young one,

so wondering what was mom doing in the bedroom? And I would be at the door sitting trying to listen to all that music, and she'll be praising God and crying out to him and worshiping him as well. And so I think I got bit by the bug of ministry, even from that point. You know, always had a propensity for the things of God. Went on to graduate from NC State, played Division I, football there. And while being at NC State, my ministry started there, you know, when I gave my life to Christ at the age of 19. I started a prayer group in the racquetball room on Monday night, around 9.45 p.m.

in the NC State football center. The acoustics in the ragged ball room are awful, just as if you don't know. They don't work well, right? They don't work. No, I tell you, so we would cry out to God and pray and worship there. And then on Tuesday nights, I let a Bible study at near one of the busiest dormitories as well. I graduated from college and I wanted to go ahead and get married. You know, all young men out there get married early. You know, it's a good thing for a man to bear his yoke in his youth, you know. Some people put it off till 30 and 35 and 40, and that works for some, you know, but if you want to remain grounded and grow young with your family,

you know, get married, when you find the right person, at the right time. And I went on to do some more ministry, then transitioned for a while, selling pharmaceutical drugs through Novartis Animal Health, and then came back to North Carolina after living in Philadelphia and in Florida for a while and took over a position at our private Christian school at the time, Upper Room Christian Academy, did that for a season. And then the Lord thrust it me into being a youth pastor and then being an associate pastor. And somewhere along the way, was a major battle taking place in 2021, where we unearth that, you know, people were trying to indoctrinate, indoctrinate children. And parents began to find out that much of what was

in the curriculum was deleterious to their Christian faith. And so we began to gain understanding about critical race theory and the impact thereof and how they were labeling students, you know, as white students as perverb—as inheraling racist and black students as proverbial victims. And so throughout that journey, you know, we've just been on the front lines, contending and fighting. My wife has joined me on this battlefield as well. You know, she's spoken with me alongside many different school board meetings that I've gone to. And my children also have worked in many ways in our nonprofit, be it working with loved life and going to the abortion clinic for a number of years and just trying to be the hands and the feet of Jesus and protect

children and to stand for the tradition of family. But you have spoken to school boards in 20 states? 15 states now, you know, and I have a list of it right here. I haven't memorized it yet. Pastor, my mind is not as sharp as yours, but one day, if I keep living, I'll get there. But Virginia, North Carolina, New Jersey, Nevada, Florida, Texas, Colorado, California, Idaho, Pennsylvania, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Missouri, and Maryland. And so I've been all over addressing these issues of gender theory, queer theory, and critical race theory.

And as you notice, I've been to some red states, you know, Texas and Florida, you know, North Carolina as well. And what we're seeing is that even in the red states like Alabama, these books are on the bookshelves. This book right here was on a bookshelf in Alabama, right? It's called Queer, the Ultimate LGBTQ Guide for teens. Bookshelf in a school. Yes. Not just in some bookstore someplace. These are in school libraries.

That's right. In school libraries, on page 166, you want to have some story time, Pastor? It really delves into the reality of what kids are being taught. And oftentimes people may say, oh, Pastor John, you're being hyperbolic. These things are not real. It's not true. And then when I start reading from the smut, I'm oftentimes censored online. You know, if I'm at a school board meeting, they'll come grab my microphone from me, literally,

or they'll cut me off of the live feed because they don't want to hear it. But for those people that are out there that say, you know, this is not real, I mean, this is a real book. I'm a real person. You know what I mean? Can you see me? All right. This is actually in the school system, page 166. I'm going to read this.

I hope you haven't had lunch, you know, but it says the anus has a lot of bacteria that when spread elsewhere can cause lots of problems. If you're going to use a sex toy for anal penetration, be sure to use one made of silicone because as long as it doesn't have electrical components, it can be easily cleaned and disinfected. Here it is, just boil it for five minutes or run it through the dishwasher. Make sure it cools off before you use it again because no one wants to put a hot, you know, a dildo of any sort into their body and it's hot. Or better yet, use a fresh condom on the toy each time. Penetrating the anus with other foreign objects like food can be dangerous, so don't do it. Why would you tell a child that?

You know, because at the end of the day, with their imagination, if you tell them that, they're going to be curious, right? It says even if it seems like a good idea in the moment, don't do that. So with any kind of anal sex, go slow. Remember to use plenty of loop and stop if something doesn't feel comfortable. Sex should feel good. It shouldn't hurt. And then it goes on to talk about from anal sex to vaginal sex. It talks about oral sex and two women in the bed.

But you've been in these school boards. How do they defend this? What's the logic they use for exposing our children to this? Well, there's a federal court case called PICO, right? And within that content that is what you call pervasively vulgar, that content can be removed, but it has to be removed by the school board. By each individual school board. By each individual school board.

And so what's happening here is if the school board is left-leaning, they're not going to call this pervasively vulgar. They're going to say, I don't see a problem with it. That's what we're contending with. But again, they're giving this to children that are young. This is not. This is as early as the age of 13. A 13-year-old kid can go to the library and find this book, even in Alabama.

But Alabama, once we addressed this with their board, you know, and they were conservative leaning. They didn't know it was in the library. right? Because you also have activist librarians who are doing this and putting this on the bookshelf simply because, you know, a child should see themselves reflected on a bookshelf in a library. If they have a propensity to lean towards, you know, the same sex, they should have this kind of content. And so librarians are doing that. And so this book is chock full of just insanity. Insanity. And here's another one. You know, it's called.

let's talk about it. I'm not going to open this one because the pages are rather graphic. I don't want to do that. But it gives you a full display on all the things that a person can do. But the people that protect this, when you come or when I come and say, I don't think these books are appropriate, the argument that we typically hear is, well, you're in favor of banning books. Yeah.

And that's just an absurd argument. I'm labeled as the book banning pastor nationally. That's my mantra. That's my title. Initially, I kind of didn't like it, you know, but as they say it, it tells me that I'm on the right track, right? I'm over the target. They're calling me a book banner because I don't think the kids should have this book called, let's talk about it on their bookshelf that teaches kids how to put butt plugs into their rear end, right? just because I dare to tell the woke school boards that that should not take place,

I'm now labeled and castigated as a book banner. Now, keep in mind, keep in mind. You just can't go into any public school system, even private school system, and go on their internet service and type in the latest, greatest porn site. Why? Because they put guardrails there. They censor it. They make sure that you can't.

can't see it. Well, if you feel that way about the leading porn sites out there, why don't you feel that way about the library? Right? And so it's all a big plan through Marxist, atheist beliefs, to push this upon kids and to desensitize them as early as possible. And I say this everywhere, that I go, that it's also a recruiting tool. In order for, you know, in order for, you know, for homosexuality to thrive, it requires heterosexuality. Homosexuals can't reproduce. You can put 10 men in a room. At the end of that, nothing's going to germinate. Ten women in a room, nothing's going to germinate. It's only when you do it God's way, the male and the female, that life comes and reproduction comes. And so they are, recruiting for their side, but they have to get the content in front of children as early as possible. And so, yes, I'm outraged after going to 15 states and addressing these issues. I have three takeaways as a result of doing so. Number one, perverts are perverting the hearts

in the minds of our children. That's takeaway number one. Number two, parents are unaware. You know, they just send little Johnny off the school for eight hours. a day, pick little Johnny up after school, bring them home. We're not having dinner around the dinner table. We're not talking about what happened in first period or home room and home room in first period and second period and third period. No, we're not discussing what took place throughout the course of the day. The parent doesn't have a chance to find out, okay, what is the guidance counselor saying

to you? What agendas are they pushing upon my child? We're not doing that. And number three, pastors have failed to do their job. Yeah, I agree. There are many preachers who I've reached out to to come join me in, you know, bringing this content to the school board's attention. I did it in Texas with a group of pastors. And do you not know that many of the pastors got up there and they would not open the book and read it?

They didn't feel comfortable. And I'm sitting there thinking to myself, you know, my mind, my mind keyed in on, I believe it's Revelations 21, verse 8. It gives a number of reasons why people will enter into the lake of fire. Cowardly going to go first. There it is. There it is, you know. And so I'm thinking to myself, hey, man, I've flown all the way to Texas and you guys live here. I'm going to read it because unless you read it, people don't think it's real.

Right. And it's not a, trust me, it's not an easy thing. You know, it's not something that we quote and quote welcome, but it's a necessary medium to point out the insanity of what's taking place. Well, I haven't been involved at the level you have, but I've been involved in this discussion. And I find a couple of things, the people that are advocates for the material, don't really want to talk about the books. Sure, sure. And the theme that you're unfolding. They kind of come back with these arguments about banning books.

Then they start to think, well, we're going to ban the body. Bible. If we ban any book, we're going to ban the Bible because it's a violent book. I mean, that's an illegitimate discussion. We've got to be more sophisticated in how we think to give into that. Sure. Well, here's the thing. No book has been banned. When they say banning a book, that means that you're taking this book out of circulation, period. i.e., it's not simply being removed from the bookshelves of a library at school or from a public library. Okay? My argument is this, remove it from the bookshelves at school and from public libraries and allow parents to make a decision on whether or not they want their child to read this.

You can still find it on Amazon. You can still find it through Barnes and Nobles, right? But what we're saying is it should not be in a public or government school under any circumstances. That's not book banning. That's good leadership. And within that, we need leaders at the top who understand the power of good parenting. The Bible says train up a child in the way, in the way that he should go. And when he is old, he will not depart from it.

That's a principle, but it's not a promise, right? All parents begin to learn that. You know, I have three children, ages 15, 13, and seven. You know, it's a principle. If you put the right things before them, they'll go the right way. Now, it's not a promise because you can train up a child in the right way, pastor. And for some reason or another, they love to just be anti what you teach them, right? But the principle is key.

It's our responsibility. Well, that's the assignment of parents. That's the biblical assignment to parents. That's right. And I think, you know, the idea that there's this attempt, initiative, desire, preference to sexualize our young children apart from the purview of their parents is fundamentally wrong. It is. You know, the parents have an assignment to train those children. We can't hand that off.

don't want to hand that off to the schools or the libraries. Right. Doesn't mean all parents are perfect, but I assure you neither are all schools. True. I mean, we've got to come back to parents accepting their godly role. That's right. You know, I think all of this comes back to the church being healthy. Yes.

And God's people being God's people. That's good. We have been distracted for too long, and COVID was a gift in some ways. It was a wake-up call. We got to sit and look over the shoulders of the kids while they were doing their coursework, and there was a lot of us shocked at what they'd been being taught. Right, right. We talked about bad books.

Let's talk about a good one. There it is. I've got one here with your name on it. Hoodwinked. I love the title. Thank you. Tell us how you got to that title. So even within that, you know, I believe that every book should be biblically integrated

if an author that's Christian is going to make it, right? And so there's a greater book than this book. And that's the Bible, right? And so to be hoodwinked means to be beyond the point where you can see any light, right? It means to be blind folded. And hoodwinked is a old, fogy, archaic term, you know, but it has great meaning. Consider our current culture where we're saying that men can be women and women can be men. someone has to be hoodwinked.

Consider these books that I just mentioned. In order for someone to think that this should be upon a bookshelf for a child to read, this one even as early as the age of four. That one's shocking. For four year olds. For four year olds. Create gender confusion. Exactly.

They have to be hoodwinked. You know, of the lies that I deal with in my book, 10 lies Americans believe in, the truth that would set them free. I deal with the lie that America is a racist nation. You know, there are people who benefit from pulling the scab off of the wounds of the past. And be mindful that every political season, these things come up, right? It's taking place right now.

The focus is on black versus white. The focus is on Barack Obama and Kamala Harris and others. trying to convince black people that the racist in America are the Republicans, right? And so these things are nuances that dupe people who have been hoodwined. If you don't know your history. Now, keep in mind, if America is a racist nation, how do we explain the fact that so many foreigners who are brown and black are risking their lives? to get into this country. America doesn't have an issue with bringing people into our country.

People are fighting and risking all to come here. A Pew Research Center study was done in 2019. It showed that there were 4.6 million black immigrants living in America. And by 2060, that number was supposed to double. If America is a racist nation, how come brown and black people still want to come here? I'll tell you why. They want a land flowing with milk and honey. They want access to liberty.

They want our freedoms, our laws. They want our government system that we have if we can protect it and keep it, right? Our constitutional republicans, if we can keep it. They want all of these things. So they're fighting to get into the country. Okay, if America is such a racist nation, How do you explain 2008 when Barack Obama won the office of the presidency? The same thing happened in 2012.

Now, keep in mind, blacks only make up 13% of the overall population in our country anyway. So for a black man to win a presidential election, that's going to require a lot of white people voting for that person. And so when you think of these things like critical race, that's been infused within the argument of America being a racist nation. The intent is to turn blacks against whites. That's true. But the true intent is for them to turn blacks against white Republicans in particular.

So how do we create this slave mentality into the hearts and minds of black people to the point that they hate Republicans? Oh, but they bow to white liberals. And so that's where we are in this battle. If America is such a racist nation, how do you explain that Asians hold the highest median income? And Indians are the highest earners in America. How do you explain that? You know, Booker T. Washington was ahead of his time. And he talked about the willingness for people to keep these arguments alive so that they have a job, right?

We call these people race baiters and race hustlers. Reverend Jesse Jackson, a race baiter and a race hustler. Reverend Al Sharpton, race baiter and a race hustler. Pastor Jamal Bryant, one of the largest churches in Atlanta. I believe his ministry has the most real estate in the U.S. He wants to use his real estate to do what? Grow marijuana. That's really going to help black people, right? But we see all these things take place, and we witness it daily that there are people

who are given to the quest of just keeping us divided. The scriptures doesn't seek to divide us. It seeks to unite us. You know, we don't need critical race theory. We don't need the ideology that America is a racist nation. What we do need is to love our neighbors as ourselves. See, the gospel is the starting and the stopping place of racial reconciliation. I agree with you.

And the 10 lies you unpack in this book are important. People need to read it. Yes. Because I'm concerned. Because the healing's got to begin, I think, through the church. It's not going to come through our secular culture. Right. But because these lies have been taught so broadly in our academic institutions, now they're

a part of higher education and elite education. Right. I think the average person on the street is either afraid or ill-equipped to have this conversation. So they have succumbed to CRT and DEI, and we're repeating the lies. And now we're multiple generations into that. Right. So it seems to me the church, we've got to help the church. overcome the lies that they've been given.

I think your book is such an important step towards that. Sure, sure. You're right. You know, I'll tell you what, if we can pluck off the blindfolds, right, and allow people to see clearly. But that comes from having a biblical worldview, pastor. It truly does. It does.

Studies were done through George Barna, we all know the stories and the stats. That in 2000, in... We just don't have a biblical worldview anymore, I mean, basically, in the church. Yeah, we're losing it. And so how do we get that, how do we get that back? You know, it's going back to the most cutting edge thing that's available in the world. It's the Bible, preaching the word, line upon line, and precept upon precept.

And I think from that, if we truly treat scripture as the breath and the word of God and adhere to it, then we can solve many of these issues that we have today because the Bible is more, current than tomorrow's newspaper. It's relevant. You know, it's sharper than any to its sword. It really communicates the things that need to be addressed. And even within this book, I deal with the lie that if you are pro-life, you know, um, it'd be a white evangelical. Yeah, you have to be a white evangelical. You know what I mean? That's a, why, why is being pro-life a white evangelical worldview? That makes no sense. It's, it's insane. back in 2020, I was at one of the busiest abortion clinics in the southeast.

And I encountered a black gentleman who was wearing a BLM t-shirt at the abortion clinic. Go figure, right? On that Saturday, nearly 70 to 80 percent of the people outside of the abortion clinic, fighting and praying to save the babies were white. But nearly 70 to 80 percent of the moms prepared to abort their babies that Saturday, they were blank. But this gentleman walks up to me and said, man, why are you out here fighting a white man's issue? And I thought to myself, I mean, why are you out here fighting a white man's issue?

I looked around and I saw all of the white people outside praying to save lives, regardless of whether they were white, black, Asian, Indian, they didn't care. But then this gentleman's girlfriend is in. the abortion meal prepared to abort their baby. And he sees racism in this. He's mad at the white people outside and mad at me because I'm locked arms with them shoulder to shoulder, trying to save babies, including his posterity. Being pro-life is not a white evangelical worldview.

It's a biblical worldview. I mean, the Ten Commandments, number six, thou shalt not murder. Proverbs chapter 6, verse 16 through 19 gives us seven things that God calls abominable, one of which is the shedding of innocent blood. Jeremiah chapter 1, it's clear that before God created him, he called him to be a prophet. Life is both a concept and a construct. It's a concept in the mind of God first. And man does not have the authority to remove God's concept.

up, nor his construct. I deal with the fact that, you know, many Christians believe today and many people in the world believe that the Bible is not political, and that it doesn't speak to political issues. Well, when you hear that, you think, man, you might need biblical hooked-on phonics one-on-one. That's a book. We can work on that together. I know.

I'll help you with that one. Yes, let's do it. We can co-write it. You know, and just think about it. I mean, for a person to think that the Bible is not political, you don't know the Bible. You are screaming, I've never read it, I don't understand it, I can't comprehend it. You don't understand that God used prophets. He used men and women, when the men would not step up.

He used whoever to convey his message to kings. Consider Elijah going into King Ahab, and he tells him, there'll be no due nor rain until I say, so. That's a biblical leader or pastor or prophet. Going towards a king or a politician and addressing something that was rather

political at that time. And so yes, the Bible is replete. The Bible is political. But the political leaders and the secular leaders would love to convince Christians that we shouldn't talk about what they're doing. Because if they can put us on the

sidelines, and eliminate us from the discussion, then they don't have to bother with the worldviews that we hold and the perspectives that we hold. That's right. And it's not that we want to be labeled as a Republican or a Democrat, but we've been called to be salt and light. That's right.

And our opinions, our perspectives, our worldviews, our attitudes have to be included in the decisions that shape our culture or we're abandoning our culture to wickedness. It's true. This is true. And I understand why pastors don't because our churches are divided. We're not unified. and they know if they stand up and talk about these cultural issues,

it's going to bring division to their churches, and then their boards are going to tell them to hush because it could impact their income. Right. And they feel like their jobs are threatened. Sure. So in cowardice or self-preservation, if you want a kinder word. That's it.

We've been bullied into silence, and we've abandoned our culture without really thinking that we were abandoning the families and the children. God hasn't redefined marriage. God's not confused about biological, sex. These are not political issues. These are very much biblical issues. And if we don't keep our biblical worldview and our culture, we're going to lose our freedom and liberty. That's right. I think your book is really important. The 10 lies, I can already think of 10 more.

I know you're working on a sequel. Yes, I am. One of them's got to be Christians can't be political. I like it. We got to be engaged in this. We have to. You know, the word of the day, And we talked about this briefly yesterday, but the word of the day for October 30th is syncretism. That's the word of the day. And that's where we are. So tell us what that means. It's a big fancy word. It's the amalgamation of cultural belief systems with that which is holy.

So it's mixing the profane with that which is holy and or biblical. And this has been a problem as long as God's had a people. That's exactly the struggle we have all through Scripture. Yes, true. When God says to Gideon, I've called you, you're going to lead an awakening. Right. And his first assignment was to go cut down the idol poles in the community where he lived. They're still worshiping God.

They're still offering sacrifices. Right. When Josiah becomes king, they have temple prostitutes on the temple mount in Jerusalem. They're offering daily sacrifices. On the day of atonement, they'll take the blood of the lamb into the Holy of Holies. And they have temple prostitutes. That's right. We get to the New Testament, the book of Galatians.

Paul said, I can't believe you're so quickly abandoning the gospel. So it's not just a, it's not something that just happened in antiquity. Right. We haven't rejected the Bible. We still have Bibles on ourselves and say we're a Christian nation. Sure. But we have pagan practices. We sexualize our children when they're six and seven years old.

That's right. Or allow strangers to do so. That's it. We bow our knee to all sorts of idols, comfort and convenience. Syncretism is the person. perfect word for it. My old lowbrow Tennessee words compromise, but syncretism is more correct. That's right. But it's not a new thing. And we've got to come back to the truth. I'm so grateful for the clarion call of your voice and the courage that you demonstrate. You get called all kinds

of names. Yes, even in white supremacist. I mean, could you imagine? I mean, do you all need to do a close-up to see how brown-I-and-old. I might call you some names, but that would not come to mind. I mean, it's out of this world. You know, the things that they will say and how they will label you, the messages that I've received, you know, after calling me a white supremacists, they say, yeah, he has to be married to a white woman because a black man can't think like that on his own. You know, how condescending. My wife is a black woman with braids. You know, she's not a white woman, but there's nothing wrong with a black man married and a white woman and vice versa. However, the issue is this.

It's very, very, very telling of a person if they think that the only way a black man can understand that we should follow the scriptures, that we should seek to take care of our families and that we should push the agenda of the traditional family rather than what BLM wanted to do, destroying the nuclear family. If these things mean that I'm connected to whiteness,

you know, And that's a terrible, terrible statement. You know, there are many blacks who are quite conservative in their belief system. It doesn't always show up at the polls that same way, but they are. But I'm seeing today there's a major trend and a push towards, in particular, more black men, voting and supporting Republican-leaning and conservative-leaning policies. I thought it was troubling in the recent election when President Obama, former President Obama, came out really shaming black men. Yes.

If they didn't follow his lead in how to vote, that's poor leadership in the nicest way, I could describe it. True. I agree with that. I mean, he sat there with his arms folded, you know, throwing a hissy fit, mad at these men because they've chosen to support a party that's going to better. their families. That's going to allow them to keep as much money that they have made and earned rightfully so in their pocket. It's going to reduce inflation. You know, one of the things that President Trump is longer to do is to even end the income tax in America and to offset that with tariffs, you know, that would truly make America godly and great again, you know? And so it's just, we are seeing this constant pendulum where laws are changing, mindsets are changing. It seems as if truth is changing, you know, but the word of God doesn't change. It's constant. It's the only

constant that we have. Everything else around us is a bunch of variables, but that is the constant. And so I say to people oftentimes, you know, you have to fall in love. with what does sayeth the Lord. Fall in love with that. Because everything around us is shaky. The world is noisy. It's loud. You know, but man, if you can just steal away

and just hear from God, and how do we hear from God? We don't need a new revelation. You know, all we need is what he has written. And that is what brings the soul us, and that's what brings the comfort that we so need in this dark world. Amen.

You produced a film. You better tell us a little bit about that. Yes. 22 words. Film.com. Go take a look at that. 22 words film.com.

The 22 words come from a school-sponsored prayer that was banned in 1962 after the Engel v. V. V. V. court case. It's a simple prayer that says, almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon thee, and we beg thy blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers, and our country. That prayer was banned in 1962. after a wicked woman by the name of Madeline O'Hare, who's probably in the hottest part of hell today, because she really hoodwinked her son, William, into being a tool to push her agenda because she was a Marxist atheist.

And so former Secretary of Education William Bennett said that from that moment, you can see a stark contrast to the removal of prayer and the increase of STDs and teenage pregnancy and violence and the test scores plummeting. And so this documentary really exposes us to the history of how we ended up in the mess that we're in today. It shows how we've gone from prayer to porn, from prayer to Marxism, and from prayer to gender theory, queer theory, and critical race theory. I say to everyone out there to go and watch this film at 22Wordsfilm.com, you can host a screening at your church or with an organization. And I am raising up 400. Tell us about that. 400 warriors nationally to come alongside me.

I have more invitations than I do have days on a calendar to go to school board meetings. I'm asked to go everywhere. I'm inundated with requests, but I can't get everywhere. But if you go to I Know God.us, you can find out more information about my battle plan and my toolkit. I want to recruit, train, develop, and deploy 400 school board. warriors to go and to address these pressing issues while we still have time. Now, that's going to take about $2.5 million for me to do at full frame for this project. But we're still fundraising right now. There are many opportunities to give and to support that effort. I believe that if

there's anything that the church should be doing, we should be tackling these issues in the marketplace. We have to protect the children. We have to. We have to. We have to. Well, my guest is John Amun Chukwu. Easy for me to say. Yes. And I am so grateful for your courage. Thank you, brother. You know, before I met you, I saw this little film clip of you at a school board meeting,

and they told you to be quiet. And you said you weren't going to be quiet. And when I watched the way you said it, I thought, I want to meet that man. And I am honored to call you a friend. Yes, brother. And I appreciate your courage. We need healing in our nation. We do.

I don't think we can afford to be. divided by the color of our skin. That's good. You know? I don't doubt that there are, there is racism in America. True. I don't, I won't accept it as systematic. You know, I think sin is more systematic, but we have a solution to sin.

And we can stand together, I believe, and lead in a way that will give a better future for our children and grandchildren. I like how you put that. Racism is real. Racism does exist. Absolutely. But here's the battle. Racism is not a sense. skin tone. Thank you. It's not a color. It's sin. And all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. That's why we need the perfect sacrifice of Jesus Christ to even convince us through the

Holy Spirit and correct us when we fall into that trap of being bias and or prejudice. Yes, it's real. But the issue is people want to say that racism equals white. Listen to me. I've met some kind white people and I've met some racist white people. I've met some kind black people and I've met a fair share of racist black people. It's all across the board. It's a matter of the heart and not a matter of pigmentation. Amen. And for that, the gospel is a solution. Yes. And again, this isn't new. This didn't start with America. It didn't start with something that happened in North America. It didn't happen with the colonialization of this nation. It's a biblical issue. Yes, yes. It's a human issue, and it goes back as far as we've

had human beings. It's why Jesus had to come. It's why we needed a savior. It's why the incarnation was necessary. It's what made the cross essential. It's why we have a message that can change our world. That's right. And I think we have been apologetic. We've imagined that academics or something was more powerful than the gospel. And the message of the redemptive work of Jesus is the hope for our lives, for our families, for our nation, and for our world. It's good.

It's time for the church to find the courage to say it. That's right. John, I appreciate what you're doing. Thank you, Pastor. Don't grow weary. I won't do it. If you need a place to rest and be prayed for, you come back and see us again, all right?

I'll do it. The book is hoodwinked. Ten lies that Americans believe. If you don't like to read, learn. The film he produced is 22 words. Tell me again where they can find that. 22 words film.com. All right.

22 words, film.com. And if you want some training and how to stand up at your school board, you can help them with that. That's right. I'll take you from the beginning to the end of how to reclaim schools and communities. Culture and Christianity is more than a Bible study or a small group that gets together for a polite little meeting. We're going to have to engage our culture and the idea. is that would take away our liberty and our freedom and the privilege of sharing our faith, we cannot yield the field.

And it is a challenge in front of us, but the spirit in us is greater than the spirit in the world. I did an interview with you yesterday, and you said, we will not stop. I'll join you in that. That's right. We will not stop. I see it everywhere plastered around the church. That is a powerful statement.

That's a mantra. That's something to live by because it is true. Well, I look forward to seeing you again, and thank you for joining us today. You know, I've heard it said that Jesus wasn't involved in culture, that he was a theologian. Well, I'm quite certain the devil wants us to believe that. We have to take our faith outside the walls of the church and live it out in the world in which we find ourselves. I've written a new book, Jesus, his followers, and politics. It helps us take our biblical worldview into the culture and be difference makers.

Folks, we can't hide in the churches and preach sermons. We've got to make an impact in this world with the good news of Jesus. Christ, this book will give you a template, a roadmap for doing just that. I believe it'll be a blessing to you. So many things that our culture calls political are actually biblical. Let's focus on following God, and he'll provide all we need to take his truth to the people around us. Request your copy of Pastor Allen's new book, Jesus, his followers, and politics. When you donate $25 or more today, just go to Alan Jackson.com or call 800-8805-1. Hey, thanks for joining me today. Before you go, please like the podcast and leave a comment so more people can hear about this topic too. If you haven't yet, be sure to subscribe to Alan Jackson Ministries YouTube channel and follow the Culture and Christianity podcast on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Together, let's learn how to lead with our faith and change our culture. I'll see you next time.