Culture & Christianity: The Allen Jackson Podcast - Modern-Day Lazarus: God Performs a Miracle [Featuring Randy and Ricky Knight]

Episode Date: June 14, 2024

If you need proof God is still doing miracles, here’s a modern-day Lazarus story for you. “God gave me two miracles: He let me live, and He gave me my life back,” Ricky Knight told Pastor Allen during this podcast. Ricky went to the hospital for a routine colonoscopy and ended up going into cardiac arrest while he was lying on the gurney. His twin brother, Randy, was in the waiting room, and as soon as he found out what happened, he began to pray. They talk about the miracles that took place, the glimpse of Heaven God allowed Ricky to see, and how that experience changed the focus of their lives. “I died, and He—the resurrected King—resurrected me,” Ricky summarized. You’ll be encouraged by Ricky and Randy’s story, and you’ll also be entertained by the friendly banter between Pastor Allen and his long-time friends.__It’s up to us to bring God’s truth back into our culture. It may feel like an impossible assignment, but there’s much we can do. Join Pastor Allen Jackson as he discusses today’s issues from a biblical perspective. Find thought-provoking insight from Pastor Allen and his guests, equipping you to lead with your faith in your home, your school, your community, and wherever God takes you.Listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/3JsyO6ysUVGOIV70xAjtcm?si=6805fe488cf64a6dListen on Apple Podcasts:https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/culture-christianity-the-allen-jackson-podcast/id1729435597

People ask me during that period of time, obviously you died multiple times or they wouldn't have shocked you and then you're in the coma. See the face of God? Did you see anything that you could share with us? I absolutely did. I have no idea which day of the four it was because I'm in this coma. And I see a white light. I can see it right now. I'm looking at you. I feel the warmth of that white light. And for whatever reason, you have to realize I don't know I'm in trouble. but for some reason I knew that because I'm trying to raise my hand and tell my wife I'm going to be okay. Welcome to our culture and Christianity podcast. Over the past few weeks, I've been able to introduce you to some of my friends and people I've gotten to know across our nation and some from Middle Tennessee, many of whom kind of live in the media world or certainly have a higher public profile,

but have a God story that I think is important for us. but I am fundamentally a pastor. I've served the same congregation for 40 years now. I was six when I started. You can do the math. But one of the things we want to do is introduce you to some of the people that are a part of our faith journey, part of the community where we live.

Because the reality of life is, you know, it isn't our few minutes on a microphone. It's what God does in the midst of all the things that define us. And our lives have highs and lows. And sometimes the distance between those is quite a bit. So I'm really excited to introduce you to a couple of guys today. They're brothers, their twins, Randy and Ricky Knight. They grew up on a farm in Middle Tennessee.

Now, I live in Murphersboro. Some of you think that is the edge of the world. Well, they grew up in a little community outside of Murphersboro. So whatever's on the other side of the edge of the world, that's where they grew up. They went to Middle Tennessee State University. From there, they went to work at Nissan manufacturing. They build automobiles here in the county where we live. and they went to work there just a few weeks after the plant opened,

spent their entire career there. By the time they were ready to retire, Randy was in charge of the plant, vice president of something. And his brother, Ricky, had done really well in that journey too. The story that's, or the thing that's in my head, is at one point they were manufacturing almost 650,000 vehicles a year, the largest output of automobile manufacturer in North America,

from Murfreesboro, Tennessee. I hope the Chamber of Commerce will give me a shout out. But I wanted them to share a part of their journey. They grew up in a church here, a little rural church. We've been friends for a long time. But they had a bit of a challenge, a crisis. And God stepped into the midst of that, and I think it will bring some hope to you.

You know, I'm always surprised at what God does and how he does it, but I have come to trust that God is moving. And I hope that's what you can take away from this podcast. Enjoy my friends. Today, we face an overwhelming amount of negativity. From hostile politics to dysfunctional rants on social media, we need something to cut through the noise and remind us that there's still good in the world. There's still hope. Pastor and author Alan Jackson is that voice of truth and courage.

Through his inspirational new show, we can learn how to reset our focus, flourish in a time of fear, and be a source of light and hope in today's climate. It's time for a new perspective. Watch Alan Jackson now. Well, welcome back to culture and Christianity. I am delighted today to introduce a couple of guys that are actually friends of mine. We have done life together in the same community for a day or two and get to worship together. And they have a God story I want to share, but we'll get a little backstory before we get there.

Ricky and Randy Knight, if they can't tell by looking, you're not just brothers, you're twins. Exactly. And there's some fun stories around that. were closer than just, I've got a couple of brothers, but y'all are, and you've got another brother, but you all kind of a unique bond. We never separated. The cord got cut, obviously, between us and Mama, but the cord never really got cut between us because we never, we never separated in life.

And one of us had to raise the other one, so you can decide for yourself who that was. Well, that's an unfinished project, but God's able. So y'all grew up in Middle Tennessee, in the, the, enormous community of Las Casas. Milton. Milton, excuse me. Yeah, there's probably 300 people in the world that know the distinction of it. I'm glad you made that.

That's good. That is very good. You went to Middle Tennessee State University. And then after you graduated, where'd you go to work? Went to Nissan in Smyrna at the manufacturing plant. Proud to say we were able to make it 34 years there. How long had the plant been open when you went? About two weeks.

We actually missed job one by about two weeks. Five units to be exactly missed. But like you guys had lunch together? Most days, most days. Like, how many days did you not have lunch out of 34 years? I was on night shift for about six years of those. So obviously during that period of time, we weren't able to share lunch, but we still talked every day regardless.

And that's another one of the blessings that we've had being able to work at the same place because you have your own language. And if you don't work there, you don't understand anything that's being said. So we were able to share the language and the experiences together. You had an amazing run, Nissan. That's been a blessing to our whole community. I feel like it has, yeah. When you left, what were your titles?

I was vice president of manufacturing. and I was the director of supply chain management. So if it went wrong, could he just blame you? He did. On a regular basis. Absolutely. Good brother. We had to cover for each other.

I heard there were some rather exciting meetings from time to time. Yeah, we won't talk about those, but there were some exciting meetings. It's better just to move on? Yeah. All right. Well, the part of this that really got us to today, I've been a preacher. a long time and people have different opinions about miracles. I'm of the opinion God still does those.

And you're here as kind of evidence of that. But I'll let you kind of step in. I got the phone call to come to the hospital because he was misbehaving. Severely. But maybe you tell us why you went and then we'll kind of walk our way through this story. Well, I was actually going for a colonoscopy

and it was here again 10 years. I know him well enough. He'd like to drive you to the hospital. Oh, absolutely, absolutely. So we get there and unknowingly to me, I wasn't feeling good already that morning, but, you know, hey, with the prep and all that type, you kind of expect that. So they get me there and, you know, I'm discussing things with the nurse and all that type. And actually, I code right there on the gurney talking with the nurse. And when she looked around, I was in full cardiac rest. And I guess at that point in time, everybody that was at the facility

wound up responding to me. The local firemen, they responded to me. They did CPR 36 minutes. They shocked me something like 15 times because I just kept going down. And one of the things that obviously, after I got back on my feet, was that why didn't they give up?

I mean, that's just an amazing thing. So each one of them, I went back and touched with each one to say, why? Because to me, it would have been easy to give up. And to further the story, they wound up and put a balloon pump in my heart. They got me over to the hospital, flew me to Vanderbilt. By now I'm in a full coma. Put me on a vent and induced me into a coma for four days and dropped my temperature by 10 degrees.

And I think they tell the family to be prepared that I'm not going to make it. And it probably looks like 1%. And if I did live, no telling what I would be. Yeah, I was there for some of that dialogue because I got a call from the hospital. that said you were acting like a fool again. So I drove over there, and by the time I got there, they'd already moved you to the hospital. But, I mean, we stood out in the lobby and prayed,

and, I mean, it was a pretty uncertain circumstance for you and the rest of the family, wasn't it? Yes. Yeah, when they carried him, and I'll apologize on the front end, still hard to talk about. We talk about how, close we are, and to see him go through that and be that close and can't do anything.

And so when they carried him from the, you know, I was sitting there in the waiting room at the Surge Center and you start, I gave them my number. Ricky's wife, Phyllis was sitting out in the parking lot. COVID was raging at that time. and she's got asthma and didn't feel comfortable coming in. So I was sitting with him. And after a little bit, when you don't get a text, you say, what's going on? And so I see ambulance go by, see the paramedics go by,

and you start getting this queasy feeling that something's not right. So I go up and I ask the receptionist, hey, I've not got a text. had they started the procedure, the colonoscopy on my brother. And had the doctors not talked to you? And I said, no. And they'll be right out. So they came and got me, said that they had done all that they could, that they were rushing him over to the emergency room

and that we needed to get over there quickly. So I went and got Phyllis. We went over to the emergency room, and we were met by the attending physician. that day, and they carry you that at consultation room that nobody really wants to go to. And he said, we introduced ourselves and what our relationship was. And they said that, or he said, that we're going to do everything that we can, I can assure you. But this is severe, and you need to be prepared.

And from there, we hit our knees and prayed for a miracle. We did. and then somewhere in that part I got there. So a little bit of this I saw. Yeah. And they did pray. And then the doctor came out when they got you ready to transport. I was there for that meeting.

And, I mean, he wasn't particularly hopeful. No. Said we're going to move, but you'd been gone too long. And they lowered your body temperature. And we asked if we could see you before they took you to transport you. And I think that there's a picture they'll show. But, I mean, it's, you've had better days. I have an idea.

You're not a pretty man on your best day. Well, thank you. But on that day, you looked about as bad as he describes you. Absolutely. Well, when we got to, there was another part of that, too, when we got to, because they air lifted in flight to Nashville, you know, and you hope and pray that maybe circumstances will be different when you get to vans. Vanderbilt. And so we were met by the doctors at Vanderbilt, and they didn't give us any more hope either.

This is severe. It's bad. And probably 1% or less, we don't know how long he's been without oxygen, whether what the blood flow was to his brain. We were going to lower his body temperature, I think it was 87 or 88 degrees, because his organs, including his brain, had begun to swell. And so we did. don't know if he survives at this point. We don't know the condition he'll be in. So that leads to. And they left him that way for four days? Four days, yeah. I think, and I forget, there was increments of maybe a half a degree, an hour or something that they would lower it. And then it was a half a degree per hour to bring it back again. But I will say it, because I had told you, I think, when we left Murphysboro that, you know, we were okay, and I know your schedule, and I know you're a busy person,

and that we would be okay, just continue to pray for us. But after we got that news in Vanderbilt, as I remember, I think, I called you and said, we need you. We need you to come down, and you anointed him, prayed over him, and he went to sleep where he was already asleep, but he was asleep for four more days. Yeah, that was a tough four days. That's kind of like Jonah. You know, all we knew is he went down under the water. And we'd never seen a whale spit anybody up on the beach before.

So there was a little anxiety around town. So at the end of four days, and I mean, we're walking through this half a day at a time, if not minute at a time. But, I mean, monitoring progress. And then we know they're going to start to wake him up. And the doctors have really low expectations. And so when they bring him back awake, you tell that better than I can. So I don't know. And then I want to hear at what point you remembered what?

Do you want to hear the unedited version? Yeah, we want the unedited version. It's all right. This is a grown-up podcast. Okay. Well, so, you know, we're praying harder than we've ever prayed. And everybody that we knew, we were asking them to pray hard, pray consistently, and don't give up.

And so that the doctors had. told us that we're going to start bringing him out and we're going to have to give him, or we will be giving him neurological testing to see if he can respond. And the first test they did, I was on one side of him holding his hand. Phyllis was on the other side holding his hand and can't tell you how excited I was when they said to squeeze your right hand. Your brother is holding your right hand, squeeze his hand. Well, he squeezed my hand.

Okay, I started crying like a baby. Hey, he heard it. He's knowing because at this point he still hadn't opened his eyes, but he could hear. And the doctors said, don't get too excited because that may, you know, it may not be. He's right-handed, so he may just involuntarily do that. So they said, okay, now squeeze your wife saying she's on your left-hand side. Well, he squeezed my hand again. So we had a little bit of a setback.

But the next day... Still couldn't follow directions, good. So the next day, they come in to do it again. They said, he's done enough today. It went well. Didn't pass with flying colors, but still, it's progress. So then the next day, and he had made pretty good improvement, we thought, during the night.

So they said, and he had woken up. He was awake. And they asked, we were going to ask you some questions. now, said, do you know your name? He said, yeah, so Ricky Knight. They said, yeah, that's good. He said, do you know who the president is? I'm sorry, let me.

The next question was, do you know what year it is? And I'm thinking he's not going to do well with this. It just turned 22. So I said, okay, I'm not going to be too disappointed if he misses this. But he said, 22. You know, I'm saying, that's great. He knows. And then they said, do you know who the president is?

And he says, and he looks, he gets his puzzle look on his face here. I think it's George Bush. And the doctor, you know, he sort of chuckles. And he said, eh, he said, missed it by a year or two. He said, I'll give you an example or give you a clue. He said that his name, first name is Joe. And Ricky looked and he's kind of looking around. He's, yeah, that dumb ass.

And so at that point, we jumped up and down. We were all excited. He's okay. He's going to make it now. He hadn't lost the thing. So at that point, we knew he was okay. That's remarkable. So how much longer did they keep you in the hospital?

Five more days. I was there, what, a total of nine? And they released me. And, you know, obviously I was able to start my rehab and get back where I was. I would like to say one thing, Alan, during the four days. Okay, so during the coma. something that to me, another one of the parts of my miracle.

People ask me, during that period of time, obviously you died multiple times or they wouldn't have shocked you, and then you're in the coma. See the face of God? Did you see anything that you could share with us? And I absolutely did. And I have no idea which day of the four it was

because I'm in this coma. And I see a white light. I can see it right now, looking at you, I feel the warmth of that white light. And for whatever reason, you have to realize, I don't know I'm in trouble. But for some reason, I knew that because I'm trying to raise my hand and tell my wife, I'm going to be okay. Obviously, I couldn't move. But the other side of that is that I listen to CC Winings all the time.

And if I'm out doing something on the farm, I'll be listening to her songs. And while I'm seeing this white light, I hear C.C. Wine and singing, believe for it. Move the impossible, and there will be a miracle. And I can remember that as vividly as I do today. And I want to thank you because roughly a year ago when C.C. was here, I got to have 15 minutes and personally tell her that story. And that was a great opportunity. And I appreciate that so much. I wonder if they get royalties when they play their music and have it. I don't know. It doesn't matter.

It was great. It was great. And so you did some physical rehab after that, but your mental clarity, I mean, it's hard to ask that with him sitting here. Yeah, tread light. You're mental. You really didn't have any effects after that. You know, honestly, the doctors themselves, when I started going back to have my follow-ups. and all that type, they were telling me that, you know,

need to do certain, certain tests, and that my heart would probably be damaged anywhere from 50 to 65%. And, you know, at that point, you know, my deal is, I just want to get better. And fortunately for me, when I got through the series of tests, I've only got about 5% damage to my heart. So, I mean, that is part of the miracle. And that is, that's actually a big part.

We would go out into the hallway, Ricky's wife and I would go out in the, in the hallway to ask the really tough questions. And when we finally determined or got, I guess, clarity that he's going to live, then it was a question, okay, how bad is it going to be? And so they went from severely damaged heart. So we're thinking, we're talking transplant here. We're talking life-altering, life-changing, never be able to, you know,

So he had a stint put in and went home. And that was one thing I went. So we were talking that severe. And I remember, you know, asking the doctor, you know, so what can we expect from his activity level? You know, if it's that severe and what I had not understood, and, you know, again, part of the miracle, he said, no, you're not hearing me.

He's going to be what he was before. And I said, without any transplant, without any open heart surgery, without anything, he said, yeah, he's going to, he said, we've done test after test. His heart is strong. Now he said, it's damaged, but he said the part of the heart that is damaged

will overcome that part get stronger, and there's a chance that another part of his heart will get stronger as well. So, no, we're not facing any of that stuff. And I said, I don't understand. How did we go from being that severe to being able to, I said, you've got to understand. He's a hard worker. He's physically active.

And he said, all you can say is it's a blessing. What you've received is a blessing. And I'll say this too. The day before the event, I was putting up a fence on the farm because I farm on the side and always have. this day now, I'm still putting up those same fences. I do everything that I was doing. God gave me two miracles. He let me live, but he gave me my life back.

And that is such a critical piece that I have my full life. It's truly remarkable. And the EMTs, some of the EMTs that have worked on you, and I mean, that's a pretty small community so they know one another. I've heard that they've wanted to come find you after the fact. They've got a nickname for you. Well, it went beyond... We have some nicknames for you, too, but we'll do that on another podcast.

But I'm going to give World Outreach credit because the nickname is Lazarus, okay? And one of the things that was so appreciative on my part was what the church was doing with the prayer chains and everything during that period. But when Character Quest came up that year, I come for the meeting on the Saturday before, and I go up and I tell this lady my name, I didn't know who she was. And I give her my name, and she was, you're Lazarus. We've been praying for you. And I'm going, wow. Well, a couple of weeks later, as part of this healing process, as I've stated earlier, I died. And I looked at my wife and I said, even though I was baptized 10 years old, I feel like I need to do it again because this is a new life.

So I go out here to the pool area and here again, ladies sitting there waiting on, yes, sir, what's your name? Ricky Knight's you're Lazarus. So like I say, everybody for that period of time, that's true. what they knew me as, and I truly appreciate it. It's a great moment. And if I might add to that prayer, I know you talk about it a lot and sermons and all, but from the moment that this happened, like I said, Phyllis and I hit our knees and prayed for a miracle. And as soon as I got up, I called.

Of course, I called my wife. I called everybody I could call and told them, pray. Pray harder than you've ever prayed. And don't stop and pray hard. And I can't tell you how many people, not only at this church, but all across Middle Tennessee, prayer changes things. Yeah, when you have a real problem, the building you sit in on Sunday doesn't matter so much. Right. Getting in touch with the Lord does. So if people don't get anything else from this podcast, pray.

And you grew up in church. I mean, you come from a Christian family, and church was, but you weren't like fanatics. No. You weren't, I mean, when people listen to this, think, you know, maybe these are those crazy people. And that, you're pretty grounded in reality. I'd have to show you the facts before I convinced you of the miracle. Yes. Is that fair?

That's very fair. Yeah. And so I think that's a part of it. Well, can I add one more thing? Because this is part of the story, too, and it's embarrassing. But now that you bring that up, and at the same time, I'm going to lay part of the blame on you for all of this anyway. Because there was actually – this happened in January of 22, somewhere between Thanksgiving of 21 and Christmas of 21. In one of your sermons, you were talking about asking the congregation.

Are you as big of an advocate for Jesus as you can be? Are you using your influence to influence other people? And it's easy, I can remember you saying, it's easy when you're around other believers. It's easy when you know people around you are of faith. But how about when you're in a crowd that you don't really know, in a mixed crowd, how are you using your influence then? Are you as vocal about it?

So Debbie and I, my wife's Debbie, we talked about it on the way home that Sunday, and I, Pastor Allen staffed all over my toes today. He bruised me up pretty bad because I'm pretty bad about, you know, if I know how everybody stands, I'll be vocal, but I was probably not using my influence the way that I could have. So you bruised me up. So we prayed that night, but what I didn't tell her, I was tell my wife, for it. I said a silent prayer that night. And this is an embarrassing part, but when you say

we were brought up in a Christian home, we were, we were Christians, I don't know that we were, by any stretch of the imagination, we weren't fanatical. But I've always been the kind that if I can see it, touch it, feel it, I can sell it. You know, and I, you know, so that night I said a silent prayer that, Lord, just let me see. you. Let me, come to me in a vision. Come to me in a dream. In any form, just let me see you. Let me feel you. And I probably should have been a little more specific. But so then two, two months later or six weeks later, this happens. Now, I still haven't had the vision, but I've seen his work. I was going to say, I think you've seen his hand. So he gave me what I asked, not in the

form that I asked or was hoping for, but I've seen his work. That's remarkable. Tell me about your hats and your shirts. Well, actually, you know, this started out as, you know, people coming up, hey, you got left here for a reason. I'm racking my brain. What, what's that reason? What am I supposed to do?

You know, I'm not a preacher. I'm not a deacon. I go to church, but what am I supposed to do? And actually, it was as simple as, uh, one. One night, I'm going through YouTube and Mac Brock is on there. He had just recently been here at World Outreach, and we'd seen him in person, and he was singing the resurrection song, and this was resonating with me. I played this thing over and over and over, and he's the words, the resurrected king is

resurrecting me. That's what he's saying. And all of a sudden, it comes to me, well, I died. He, or the resurrected king, resurrected me. And I'm thinking, wow, what could I do with that? And I got online, started looking around, and I'm, you know what? What about a cap? And I got on, kind of modeled this thing, sent it off and had them make some, not knowing where that would go.

And every time I went outside the house with his cap, somebody would stop and go, I love that cap. Where did you get that cap? Of course, I tell them, well, I actually have made. you had a maid, why? And I said, you got a minute? Well, then, you know, that opens the door to tell the story. You know, one of the things that, like in your case, you tell us to speak up. And you also tell us to, you know, don't knock the door down. Don't bully people over by telling your story. But when you get the opportunity to open the door and do it in a manner that they can comprehend. and all that type. So, you know, for me,

why ever that night, that was the vision that came to me, and now for two years, Randy and I both, we've been wearing these caps, and actually I had these shirts made just recently in case we weren't out with a cap to give the opportunity,

but I'd say in the last two years, at least 2,000 times, I personally have had the opportunity to tell that story. And some of those stories would be in multiple settings and all, but I think it's in a manner that would be pleasing to you. I think it'd be pleasing to God.

And I believe that I'm fulfilling why I was left here. Yeah, I agree. You know, Randy, what you were talking about, we ask the Lord, and in my life so many times I've asked him for things. And he answers, but he very seldom does it in the way I expected. Yeah. And a lot of times I'm mad at him because, you know, it's like, I didn't want this.

And then on the other side of whatever it is, I'm going, But he's faithful. Well, there was a period there that I had guilt for that. And, but he provided the miracle I asked for when I needed it. He probably added that guilt if we gave me a little half a chance. Well, yeah. But, you know, that oxygen thing to the brain, I would just say maybe it didn't all get there. I know you guys played quite a bit of golf.

So I got to know, does like being in the presence of the Lord improve your golf game? It hasn't mine. I'll say that. We're just glad to be able to play together again. Isn't that the truth? There was a time I didn't think I'd ever get to do it. Even if he was here, I didn't think we'd ever get to walk the fairways again. You know, one of the things, Alan, that kind of resonates. You know, one of the things that people kept asking me as I was,

my recovery, I bet you'd be glad when you can play golf. And I said, no, I want to be able to work. And here again, then doors open that I do the work and I do the right kind of work. And it's just, it's been an amazing journey. Can't say enough. That is remarkable. I appreciate your willingness to tell your story. You know, it's, you think that somebody has a miracle and they'll automatically give God the glory for that. But I've done this long enough, and a pretty significant number of people have trouble with that. Doctors don't have a box on their, they fill out those forms.

They forward insurance companies and miracles not on the options list or in whatever arena of our lives. And so it's pretty easy the further you get away from it to say, nah, we kind of take the God component out. And you guys have not done that at all. In fact, you've kind of doubled down on the other side. And so I appreciate your courage and your boldness. I'm sure there's some people listening to us.

You've told a few more than 2,000 people today. Well, I'm honored. It's humbling for me to have the opportunity. And I just hope that if it can bless one person's life, then it was all worth it. Well, I'm sure there's some people listening. We don't usually pray our way out of this particular podcast, but I know there's some people listening that need a miracle.

And how God wants to do that and when he wants to do that, you know, we don't get to determine that. But this one works for me because when I was seven, the doctors told my mom, you know the story, and a lot of people listening to. She wouldn't live six months. And she's 88. And I got to grow up with my birth mom and my brothers too. And we were pagans. I mean, we went to church, but they weren't born again.

And so I know God does miracles. And now I've done funerals for people I loved a lot. So, I mean, he doesn't do when I want them. but I think we ought to pray for the people that are listening. I agree. One of y'all want a prayer? You want me to? I can't. Okay. I'm a grace heavenly father, dear Lord.

We bow before you this day. Thankful for the miracle that was worked in my life, dear Lord, and for the people that we have touched through it, dear Lord. We know that there are those that are listening and watching this podcast, dear Lord, that are in need. Dear Lord, we ask that you touch them, that you touch whatever need they have, that you surround them with courage, with confidence, dear Lord, that they are in your hands, dear Lord.

And we just ask for your loving kindness to shine upon each one that's listening to this, dear Lord. And we just say thank you for all the blessings. And we just say amen. And God bless. Amen. You know, if you're walking through a tough place, you don't have to know all the answers. If you'll just quietly keep saying thank you to the Lord, that I trust you,

I have seen God time and time and time again, bring us through to a better place. place. So don't you give up and don't you give in. This is culture and Christianity, and we're glad you joined us today. Randy and Ricky, you don't have to go to those extremes to get another interview on a podcast. Well, thank you. Thank you for having us. You know, just maybe let him win a golf one time, then you can come back. Absolutely. All right. Hey, thanks for joining me today. Before you go, please like the podcast and leave a comment so more people can hear about this topic, too. yet, be sure to subscribe to Alan Jackson Ministries YouTube channel and follow the Culture and Christianity podcast on Spotify, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Together,

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