Culture & Christianity: The Allen Jackson Podcast - Surgery In-Utero: This Changes The Conversation [Featuring Dr. William Lile]

Episode Date: March 21, 2025

People across our nation believe that abortion is a woman’s right, a simple choice—but what if they knew the truth? What if they saw the miracle of life in the womb, where surgeries and blood transfusions are performed on preborn infants, proving their undeniable humanity? The abortion pill is now responsible for at least 64% of all terminations, and women are experiencing adverse effects—even dying—after taking these pills. This is more than a political or medical issue—it is a spiritual battle. Dr. William Lile, a board-certified obstetrician and gynecologist known as "The Pro-Life Doc," joins Pastor Allen in this podcast to discuss how science proves that the unborn are patients deserving of protection. He also shares how you can put your faith into action and step up to defend the most vulnerable.More Information: https://www.prolifedoc.org/ __ It’s up to us to bring God’s truth back into our culture. It may feel like an impossible assignment, but there’s much we can do. Join Pastor Allen Jackson as he discusses today’s issues from a biblical perspective. Find thought-provoking insight from Pastor Allen and his guests, equipping you to lead with your faith in your home, your school, your community, and wherever God takes you. Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3JsyO6ysUVGOIV70xAjtcm?si=6805fe488cf64a6d Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/culture-christianity-the-allen-jackson-podcast/id1729435597

What was Satan's great fall? He wanted to be like the most high. When you have the power and the ability to take life, that's wanting to be like the most high. I can either take your life or I can grant you life. So it's greed, and then it's pride, and then it's just like Satan. I want to be like the most high. I want to be able to grant life or take life at will. Welcome to culture and Christianity.

As you know, I suspect by now, our goal is to take Christianity beyond the walls of a worship service. to move it from a theoretical faith into a faith that is not just practical, but that transforms culture. I am very excited about today's program. Our guest, I hope is not new to you, but if he is, he's a friend you need in your portfolio. Dr. Bill Lyle, welcome to culture and Christianity. Thank you very much. It's an honor to be here with you. I'm going to read a bit of your CV because it's too lengthy for me to commit to memory. You are a board certified in both obstetrics and gynecology, licensed.

to practice medicine in both Florida and Alabama. You have been an instructor at University of Florida and Florida State in their OB, GYN residency programs. This one is a favorite on your resume to me. In 1999, you took over the practice of the physician that had been the largest provider of abortions in the Florida Panhandle for decades, and all abortions and referrals for abortions

were immediately stopped by Dr. Lyle. You're using the tools of modern obstetrics to show the life within the womb from the moment, of conception. You are a loud voice, pro-life voice in our nation, in our medical community, in our churches. It's an honor to have you here, sir. Well, thank you very much. This is just our calling. When we actually took over that practice, the first time I visited the practice, was on a Sunday afternoon after church. And I had never been upstairs where the abortion clinic actually was. So we wanted to stop the abortions. But as I went up those stairs, I couldn't

but the tens of thousands of women with babies on the inside that had gone up that same set of stairs, spent a half hour up there, and then went down the other set of stairs without that life in the womb. I had just finished my residency training where we were trained how to defend them protect the lives of the moms and the babies. And it was just appalling. We did a presentation at my church, which led to another church to a full-time ministry. It's remarkable. You know, there have been some shocking things happen. My lifetime, we've lived, it seems like, with Roe v. Wade as this shadow cast over us. And then when it was reversed, I think our expectation was there would be this loud cheering

that the scourge of abortion was being pushed back. And the reality was quite the opposite. Abortions have increased. They have. Since Roe v. Wade was reversed. The numbers of abortions have now gone up and the reported number of abortions has now exceeded over one million. The primary factor has been the abortion pill.

The abortion pill is now at least. 64% of all the abortions. It's available in any state, even when it is protective as far as life as in Tennessee, but it's coming in from other states, it's coming in from India, it's coming in from China. It will kill a baby in the womb 98% of the time, up to 10 weeks gestation. And that is why the numbers of abortions are going up. And even minors are able to access that pill. Correct. We have gone online and we have put in information and we have been able to go all the way to the point where we have to put our credit card number in, and it is very easy to get the abortion pill.

And sadly, women are being hurt. Women are dying after taking the abortion pill. So it's not good for moms. It's not good for the babies, but it is an evil, and we need to confront it. You are labeled as the pro-life doc. Yeah. How did you arrive at that moniker? It was kind of given to me.

We had done a lot of work with Dr. Dobson when we started our ministry, and he was very, very instructive in saying that that was what our calling was. That was our calling from God and he kind of tagged us with that title. Well, it is a very welcome voice in this landscape. So we have to see this scourge turn back. Absolutely. And you and I've had a few minutes to visit and you have given me some tremendous hope. So if nothing else, I want to thank you for that.

You have put together some animations or overseeing the development of some animations, which are beyond helpful. I want to share one with those that are watching. It's an animation of a hard procedure. Correct. This is actually a, the baby was diagnosed at 25 weeks gestation with a cardiac teratoma, which is a tumor that was growing in the baby's heart. They estimated that the speed of growth of this tumor would have killed the baby in one to two weeks.

So they gave the parents the options, deliver a very preterm baby, and then do open heart surgery. but the doctors at the Cleveland Clinic thought it would be best to actually perform the open heart surgery while the baby was in the womb, where the baby had its own anesthesiologist and IV, and then close the uterus, close the skin, and allow the baby to heal for 10 weeks and then be delivered. Okay, just so my father was a veterinarian. Yeah. So I'm a little bit removed from the level of this sophistication. Oh, we'll walk through it.

But the mom as an anesthesiologist. Correct. So she's made comfortable. She's given the meds she needs for a surgical procedure. Correct. But then the baby also has an anesthesiologist, and the baby's given the meds they need so they're comfortable. Correct.

Mom actually had an epidural, so she was wide awake. They had 36 doctors, nurses, anesthesiologist, and techs, all involved in this procedure. So you'll see how they opened up the skin of the mom, who was comfortable, just like a C-section, opened up the uterus, brought out both hands, the pediatric anesthesiologist started an IV in the baby's hand. Baby was getting fluid, a pain medicine called fentanyl, and a paralytic called Norkuran,

so the baby wasn't moving around. And then you'll see the cardiothoracic doctors make an incision in the baby's chest, remove the tumor from the heart, and then almost immediately the baby's heart went, thank you very much, and it started to pump normally. They then closed the chest, removed the IV, tucked the hands back in, and then close the uterus, close the skin, and the baby healed for another 10 weeks. And I have pictures of this child at one year and three years of age, and you can hardly see any scar tissue at all on the baby's chest

because the baby was still growing and developing in the womb. So a patient is a person no matter how small, and it's amazing how this animation will show that fact that we're created in the image of God at that moment of conception. Now, just for those of you that maybe are squeamish or the thought of blood makes you anxious, this is an animation. So it's not frightening. It's just simply going to show you graphically or a graphic representation of what the doctor described for us in reality.

And it's only, it's about 60 seconds long? 70 seconds long and it's just a cartoon. Okay. But it's accurate in all aspects of medicine. You're underselling it to call this just a cartoon. So let's run the open heart procedure. cardiac teratoma was diagnosed on the baby at 26 weeks gestation. It was growing so quickly that it would kill the baby in one to two weeks. Doctors made the decision that the best intervention was to treat the baby in the womb. The mother had an epidural. The mother was comfortable and an incision was made in the skin of the mother. A second incision was made in the uterus. And the hands of the baby were then brought out so that a pediatric anesthesiology, could start an IV in the baby's hand so the baby would receive pain medicine and a paralytic.

Once the baby was comfortable, the cardiothorastic team made an incision in the baby's chest. The tumor was removed. Almost immediately, the baby's heart started to pump and function normally. The incision in the chest was then closed. The hands were tucked in. The IV removed. The uterus was closed. The skin was closed at 27 weeks gestation. a healthy baby was delivered 10 weeks later at 37 weeks gestation. Wow. They are my patients. And patients all have rights, all the states,

and the federal government protect the rights of all patients. And clearly, that is a patient right there. Absolutely. So does the doctors build a health insurance company for the infant? Actually, yes. The health insurance, private insurance, covers these procedures, and also Medicaid and state-funded insurance covers these procedures. They are clearly patients, and that's just one example. We have over a dozen animations of

other ways that we are treating the pre-born as patients in the womb, and we're just trying to show the truth that all patients have rights, whether they were born in the United States or whether they were not born in the United States yet, and that is a real key. Where can people, can they find these animations if they want to see them? They're part of our curriculum. We have an eight-hour curriculum that's available on our website, which is pro-life doc. org. You can order the videos, and you can also order the workbooks, which are available on Amazon,

by searching Pro-Life Doc. That's this workbook, right? Which is eight sessions? It's eight sessions of training, both video and workbook, to really equip the church. We don't want, especially our younger followers, we don't want people just to know that they're pro-life. turns into an argument with whoever is the most intimidating and the loudest wins the argument. We want to teach true apologetics. The art of teaching apologetics has really kind of been lost. So we want to equip people to understand not only the medical aspects, not only the scientific

aspects, but also the biblical aspects, because this is the biggest threat that has faced our nation. This is a biblical attack on the image of God. When we talk about the image of God, This is 126 says that we are all created in the image of God. Well, why would we discuss the image of God? Well, you've seen somebody burn the American flag. Well, why burn the American flag? The American flag is the image which represents the United States of America. If you hate the United States of America, you want to attack the image.

It represents the image of the United States of America. At its core foundation, abortion is an attack on the image of God. out of a hatred for God. That's why this is a biblical worldview. This is a spiritual battle. And a spiritual battle should not be led by a bunch of politicians with podiums. It should be led by pastors from their pulpits. That's how we have victory.

Amen. Well, the book, the curriculum is perfect for a small group. It's eight sessions. I've looked through it. There's video support for it. Correct. It's perfect for any age. We have a second curriculum that's coming out for specific.

and a third curriculum that's coming out specifically for ages 8 to 12, where it won't be discussing abortion, but we have so many kids entering high school, and their minds have already been taught that abortion is a woman's right. And we are trying to convince them and teach them how we are creating the image of God and the amazing development that is there, even 18 days into a pregnancy, we can see a heart beating. And it's amazing how cell differentiation occurs. where, yes, at that moment of conception, that cell is unique from mom, dad, whether it's gonna be a boy or a girl,

and there are only two genders, we need to clarify that, but at that one cell stage, even the blood type has been determined on that baby. And then we have one cell, two, four, eight, 16, 32, 64. But then there's something called cell differentiation that kicks in, where I might be a cell, you might be a cell, and we're identical.

But then all of a sudden we divide, and I say, you know what, I've got the same book of DNA, but I'm only going to exercise chapter number three. And I am going to start the entire cardiovascular system. You look and you say, well, I'm going to do chapter five. I'm going to start the entire skeletal system. I can tell you what's going to happen on day 17, tell you what's going to happen on day 18, how these individual cells know what they're going to do tomorrow?

We have no idea. When we have an amazing God, an amazing designer, that's how we know it's a miracle. and we are a new person created in the image of God at that first cell stage at the moment of conception. You were telling me you can do blood transfusions in utero. How early? We have done blood transfusions to babies in the womb at my hospital as early as 18 weeks gestation.

Well, why would a baby need a blood transfusion? Because moms and babies can actually have different blood types. And moms can develop antibodies that are so small, they can cross the placenta and start to. attack the baby's blood. A lot of people don't realize it, but moms and babies do not have their blood shared. It's two separate systems. Well, if the mom's antibodies are attacking the baby's blood and the baby's blood count drops, babies actually can go into heart failure and die in the womb. Well, if they're well into their pregnancy, we just deliver them and they do fine.

But we have babies that are getting really sick at 18 weeks gestation, and they cannot survive on the outside at any neonatal intensive care unit. So we actually take blood that somebody donated through the Red Cross or one blood, and we can take that O-negative blood, put it in a syringe. With ultrasound, we can guide the tip of the needle through the skin, through the wall of the uterus,

go right up to the umbilical vein, which is coming out of the baby's belly button, and we can give that baby a life-saving blood transfusion, which is also fulfilling the great commandment. When Jesus was asked, what's the greatest commandment? He said, love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, and soul, and your neighbor as yourself. Neighbor means close one. If your neighbor needed a blood transfusion, you were the same type, you would give your neighbor a unit of your blood to save their life.

If you are donating your blood at a blood drive at church or at work, we can use your O negative blood and save the life of a baby in the womb. That's fulfilling. When Jesus said, this is the great commandment, treat love your neighbor as yourself, that gives them value. That's why this is a spiritual issue. And we need to be engaged and need to be led by our pastors. Well, let's go to the darker side of this. How did we arrive at a place where the medical perspective is that we don't value life at every stage?

I mean, we didn't arrive at this immediately or instantaneously, but that is the accepted standard at the moment. How did we get there? I think when it comes to abortion, it really comes back to it is an attack on the image of God. many of our physicians who are in favor of abortion, whether they perform them or not, or will they refer them for them or not, it really comes down to this is an attack on the image of God. When you look at the late-term abortions, why would anybody want to go through 12 years of

training and then spend two additional years on a fellowship called complex family planning where you can be taught how to do late-term abortions and even selective terminations, where if there's triplets, you'll actually go in and you can eject one of the baby's hearts with either potassium chloride or dejoxin and kill that baby. And then why would somebody want to do that for a living? But didn't you tell me that's one of the most popular fellowships? It is. It's the fastest growing fellowship.

Currently today, it is now 38 different fellowships, which is a two-year fellowship after you complete a four-year residency, which is after four years of med school, which is after four years of undergrad. It's the fastest growing fellowship in the obstetrics and gynaecology world, where two years you are taught how to do late-term abortions and selective terminations. When it comes to why would somebody choose to do abortions? Number one, I think it starts off with greed. You can make hundreds of dollars three or four times an hour, so it starts off with greed. And then the next phase is that you've ever been to one of the conferences where the late-term abortions are giving lectures and I've been to these meetings.

People will come up to them after they give their lecture and they will wait in line and they will go up to them want to get a selfie or shake their hand and say, thank you for providing this service to women. I don't feel comfortable doing it, but thanks for providing this service. And you see them just swelling up. It's stroking their ego and all of a sudden it's affecting their importance level. So it starts off with greed, but then it goes to pride. The third phase is when somebody is performing a third trimester, a partial birth, abortion. When they've delivered the feet and they've delivered the abdomen and the arms of this

baby, the only thing that's left on the inside is the baby's head. They can now reach over and grab an instrument and they can take that life of that baby. That's being, what was Satan's great fall? He wanted to be like the most high. When you have the power and the ability to take life, that's wanting to be like the most high. I can either take your life or I can grant you life. So it's greed, and then it's pride, and then it's just like Satan. I want to be like the most high. I want to be able to grant life or take life at will. Hey, I've written the new book, Angels, Demons, and You.

I believe. I believe in angels. I believe in demons. And I believe they impact you and me. We better have a plan for that. You know, I meet Christians all the time. He says, I just don't believe in that, pastor. I don't like to talk about that.

That's a novel approach. You know, I like to eat chocolate. Suppose I said, I just don't believe chocolate will make you fat. I don't believe that. that, it wouldn't make me thin. Denying the truth of Scripture will not make us safer, happier, are our lives more fruitful? We need to take counsel from the word of God so we can live victorious lives. Angels and demons are real. The demons oppose the purposes of God for you. The angels will help with the purposes of God for you. We need a plan for how we can engage in a meaningful way.

This book is taken from Scripture intended to help you flourish in your journey through time. you can get a copy at allan jackson.com slash warfare it seems to me that comfort and convenience really wrapped up in selfishness it is drive most of this discussion and most of this behavior does it look like that from your side absolutely i mean when it comes to these moms they're scared especially if this wasn't a planned pregnancy but that's why we have 4,000 pregnancy centers coast to coast, which aren't there to just have a woman choose life. Yes, they will counsel them, they will provide them with education. A lot of them can provide them with housing. They are there to meet the needs of the moms and the dads to save the life of the baby. But a lot of these

centers will also be to help them not only through the rest of the pregnancy once they make the decision for life, they'll be with them after they deliver the baby. Sometimes they'll even have housing and job training and even GED availability for the first year after the baby is born. So they're not just having to make that decision. They are really there to meet all of their needs. And also to share the gospel. This is a spiritual battle. We win with the gospel. It's the gospel that changes hearts. It's the gospel that changes minds. It's the gospel that changes behavior. I mean, the first four books in the New Testament, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are all about the gospel. How God loved us so much that he sent his son, he lived the perfect life, and then gave his life

for me and for you. But then three days later, he conquered the grave and he rose. And if we our trust in him, we can spend eternity with him. But what's the fifth book of the New Testament? It's Acts. It's the Acts of the Apostles. It's action. That's what the pregnancy centers are doing. That's what you and I are doing. We're trying to put our faith into action, to actually do something to have a biblical worldview and save the lives of God's preborn and bring healing. Depending on the study and depending on the denomination between 18 and 24 percent of the men and the women who attend a church at least once a month have personally been involved with an abortion. These men and these women are hurting. They need healing. Healing comes from true forgiveness,

and true forgiveness only comes through the blood of Jesus Christ, which is why this is a message that needs to be coming from our pulpits across the nation, and we need to encourage our pastors to engage in this battle. Yeah, I think we have this mistaken notion that we can live through sin, that you can make ungodly choices, and if somehow there's not an immediate consequence, you don't stop and acknowledge it and repent. You just live through it. And that's a tragic miscalculation. It's horribly tragic.

We speak at lots of different events, including men's conferences. Recently, we spoke at a men's conference, and we were discussing things like we're discussing today. And there was a gentleman that came up afterwards. We had shown a picture of the abortion clinic we took over. We had shown the stairs that went upstairs. and the gentleman was in his 60s and he says, I need to talk to you. He says, I know those stairs.

He says, two years before you took over that practice, my daughter was 17, accepted to the University of Alabama, and she said, Daddy, I'm pregnant. He said, I didn't know what to do. He said, I had never heard a message from the pulpit on abortion or what's my next step. He said, but I knew I needed to be a supportive dad. He said, I said, what do you want to do, sweetie?

And she goes, I can't go to the University of Alabama with a baby. I think I need to get an abortion. He said, I was there to support her. He says, I drove her to your office. He said, twice I signed my name. Because she was under 18, I had to sign a consent form for her to get an abortion. We didn't do credit cards back then. He says, I wrote out a check.

He says, I signed my name for $300 and I handed it over. We then got an ultrasound. He says, all I remember was a black circle and something flickering there in the center of that black circle. He goes, that was the heart beating of my first grandbaby. He said, I saw my daughter go up those stairs. He said, she was up there for a half hour, and she came back down. She was forever a changed woman. He said, I've never heard a message until what you just preached,

as how abortion is wrong, but it's something that can be covered by the blood of Jesus, and this is a forgivable sin. He says, I go to church every Sunday morning, Sunday night, and Wednesday night, and I never heard a single message at my church. He goes, I am a saved man. He says, I am saved by the blood of Jesus, and I know that. He says, but I've never had a need to approach God and said, I screwed up. I messed up. Please forgive me. Thank you for the forgiveness you've given me. I just asked you to forgive me again and confess. He said,

it's always been such a darkness and part of my past that I couldn't even take it to God. I was so ashamed. He goes, how come I never heard this message of forgiveness? He says, I quietly asked for forgiveness. It was forgiven, but I just said, I got to get forgiveness directly and confess this sin. He says, for the first time, I feel relieved. He says, for the first time in over 25 years, I just have a burden that's been lifted. He said, this was sitting in my heart like a lump of hot charcoal. And he says, just burning. He says, that's gone.

Shame on a pastor who has him at his church every Sunday morning, Sunday night, and Wednesday. And not once in all those years had he ever heard a message about the forgiveness that's available, how we can be redeemed and we can be forgiven. and that's available to anybody. I'm going to take just a half a minute with that setup because 60 million abortions, everybody's been touched indirectly. And what the doctor just described is absolutely true. If it's in your portfolio of experiences,

for whatever reason, as a supportive father, as an irresponsible father, whatever that may be, you can repent and you can be forgiven. And repentance means a change of mind and a change of behavior. was thinking the wrong way and I behaved the wrong way. And if you acknowledge that and ask for God's forgiveness, you can be forgiven and that burning hot coal can be removed. Renounce it. And you'll find a spiritual freedom in that. And then you have to release it. You have to turn it loose. You have to accept God's forgiveness because the devil is an accuser. And he will tell you you can never be

free and it's a lie. You can. That's the purpose of the cross. It's the wonderful point of the gospel. It's the reason we're Christ followers today. All right. That's the side of the world I'm accustomed to, but the follow the science is the mantra that has dominated our culture so loudly since COVID. The science, it seems to me, strongly supports your pro-life position. It's really unequivocal. And I'm a pastor, but, I mean, that is a life. Oh, there's no doubt. It's a patient in your language that deserves our protection, every one of us.

Oh, there's no doubt about it. And we don't just speak to pregnancy centers and churches. We have the opportunity to speak at medical schools. I was speaking up in Madison, Wisconsin, not known for its conservatism in Madison, Wisconsin. And we had medical students who were brought to an event by another couple because they wanted to hear the messaging. And we had a student come up who was obviously an intelligent and gifted student. And he waited in line for a Q&A peer. And he came up and he said, thank you.

He said, when I walked in here, abortion was a woman's right for any reason at any gestational age. He goes, but I came to medical school because I'm a huge advocate of patients' rights. He says, I've never heard how we treat the preborn as patients in the womb. He goes, I'm blown away. He goes, you're absolutely right. Patients have rights and the babies in the womb have rights. He goes, I know you believe in God. He goes, I still don't see the God thing.

It's just not in my heart. I don't see it. But as far as abortion, he says, you change my heart, you change my mind. I said, well, praise God for that, and we'll work on your salvation next. But when you show the images of how we treat the preborn as patients, it's undeniable. They are patients, they are persons, and they deserve our protection. The first rule that all medical students are taught is a Latin phrase called primum non-no-no-serre, which means first, do no harm.

The second rule that we're all taught is that patients have rights. we are treating the pre-born as patients in the womb. They are genetically unique from the moment of conception. Most of our opposition does not look at Scripture, but we can use the science and the technology to reveal this life and the importance of these babies in the womb. And then we'll work on them understanding the gift of the gospel. That is awesome.

Now, there's a new weapon. The enemy is creative. The abortion pill is really changing the discussion in the landscape in many ways. But you have made some inroads. You've got a beautiful way of describing it as redemption. Tell us how you're counteracting the abortion pill. Well, first let's talk about the abortion pill and the morning after pill.

They're both evil. Right. But so people understand the morning after pill is indicated for 72 hours after a woman has had unprotected intercourse, and it will force her to have a menstrual cycle. And if she happened to have gotten pregnant, it will force that pregnancy to be passed with the menstrual flow. The abortion pill is indicated for up to 10 weeks gestation. 98% of the time, it will kill a baby in the womb with a beating heart, with fingers, toes, fingerprints, toe prints, it'll kill that baby in the womb.

But how does it work? It works by blocking and attacking a very important hormone called progesterone. When a woman becomes pregnant and has a positive pregnancy test, big changes happen. All of a sudden, the body says, we need to relax the uterus, we need to allow it to grow, we need to increase the cardiac output, we need to increase the appetite, get more nutrition, Everything changes. It's because progesterone is the progestational steroid hormone. That's what the mean progesterone means.

The abortion pill blocks that signal. So the woman's body is celebrating and saying, we're pregnant. Let's make all these changes. The abortion pill is taken in the body saying, I could have sworn we were pregnant. I guess we're not pregnant. And progesterone levels start to drop. Women have regrets. Women say, I've done things.

I said, why did I do that? Why did I say that? We all have regrets. do as well. Women have regrets and they will contact us and we can actually reverse the effect of the abortion pill. Just like if somebody makes a mistake and they make a bad choice and they overdose on a narcotic like fentanyl, we have the antidote. And it's called Narcan. You can get Narcan on Amazon without a prescription. It'll take two days to get to you. But we can reverse the effect of lots of medications. So if progester levels we're going down, we have about a 72-hour

window where we can do something real simple. If progester levels are going down, We give her progesterone and we bring it up. And we can safely reverse the effect of the abortion pill. Healthy mom and importantly, a healthy baby. We have a network of over 500 doctors that we have taught these protocols to, and they're very basic, but they are very effective. We just in December of 2024 celebrated successful abortion pill reversal number 5,000. Now, they're over 640,000 abortions with the abortion pill each year,

I'm going to celebrate those 5,000. I have attempted this 26 times, and I've delivered 19 babies that had a 98% chance of dying. I have pictures of them going into second grade, pictures them going into kindergarten. But this is the example. When a mom has made a bad choice and she's taking the abortion pill, that baby is now on a path where 98% of the time that baby will die.

Yet we give progesterone. We have a change of heart, a change of mind. Mom realizes the mistake, recognizes that mistake, and we can call in a prescription for progesterone. She takes the progesterone. I pay for all the reversals that I do. It cost $109 for full course of therapy. We are literally buying back the life of that baby for $109. Well, how does that have a biblical example in worldview?

Because 100% of us, I'm a sinner, you're a sinner, 100% of us were on a path of eternal separation. from God, we were bound for hell. Yet are we bought back with $109 worth of progesteril? No, we are bought back, or the biblical word would be redeemed. We're redeemed with something much more precious, which is the blood of Jesus Christ, which was shed specifically for my sins and for your sins. So when it comes to redeeming the life of the baby,

yes, that is available. When it comes to redemption with the blood of Jesus Christ, that's available for all, including those who have been involved with an abortion, two abortions or three abortions. Any sin can be covered and redeemed for the blood of Jesus Christ. It's a matter of accepting that gift that's been made available to all of us. That is remarkable.

Just remarkable. Tell us again where we can find your content. You go to the internet and our website would be pro-life doc. Dot.org. Lots of free resources that are there out. But of course, the curriculum is available. We encourage it for any pregnant. Center, any church, any Sunday school, you will learn things that you never even knew existed

before. One of the thrills when we speak at pregnancy centers is I know there's 500 or 1,000 people coming in that night, and they don't know what they don't know what they don't know. And after an hour, they will learn new tools. We try to follow the example of Jesus. How did Jesus teach the crowds? He taught through parables. He taught with stories. We developed a series of stories that will teach, educate and train, and really allow us to engage in the greatest spiritual battle this nation has faced in the last 100 years. Absolutely. Dr. Lyle, thank you. You're welcome for what you're doing. You are saving lives and hopefully awakening our nation. We're doing our best. You know, this is culture and Christianity. I keep saying to you, we can't sit in our churches and have theoretical Bible studies.

If your pastor hasn't used his voice to talk about abortion and why it is wrong and to encourage people to be pro-life, go talk to your pastor. Maybe get the curriculum, go prepared to talk to him. If you're in a church and you've had that discussion and they won't tell the truth, you need a new church. We do not want to preside over a culture of death and add our blessing to it or we'll be held accountable for that. I have hope that as the science progresses and the imaging tools improve and the anima, comes along, this is no longer a mystery to us. We can watch what's happening. Those children are alive and viable. I love the language that their patience. We cannot give up hope. We have to use our voice on behalf of those who can't speak for themselves. If we will do that, God will meet us.

There will be a generation of young people that we will meet because you were willing to use your voice. I thank you, Dr. Lyle, for what you're doing. We are going to take Christianity into our culture and make a difference. Amen. Hey, thanks for joining me today. Before you go, please like the podcast and leave a comment so more people can hear about this topic too. If you haven't yet, be sure to subscribe to Alan Jackson Ministries YouTube channel and follow the Culture and Christianity podcast on Spotify, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Together, let's learn how to lead with our faith and change our culture.

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