Culture & Christianity: The Allen Jackson Podcast - The Cultural Battle Christians Pretend Isn’t Happening [Featuring Rob McCoy]

Episode Date: May 22, 2026

What if the Church’s silence created the very culture Christians are now afraid of? In this powerful conversation, Allen Jackson and Pastor Rob McCoy tackle the growing confusion surrounding truth, politics, Israel, and the next generation of believers. They discuss why so many young Christians are being discipled by the internet instead of the Church, how fear and passivity weakened Christian influence in culture, and why courageous faith is needed now more than ever. If you’ve been wondering how Christians should respond in a culture filled with deception, this conversation is for you.

When a pastor says, I just preach the gospel, you know, I don't do politics because politics is dirty. I go, well, your life's dirty, and you're trying to improve that. Or they say, I'm tired of voting for the lesser two evils. Unless Jesus is running for office, you're always voting for the lesser two evils. Quit making excuses as to why you can't love your neighbor. So if you're going to get to talk to the folks, what are you going to say to them? You're going to be in a world of information overload. The greatest filter is to spend time and a hard copy of the Word of God.

You'll be able to discern between what's right and what's wrong and what's true and what's false. Welcome to culture and Christianity. You know the goal. We want to take our faith outside the walls of the church, live it out in our lives. I'm delighted. I have a friend with me today. Pastor Rob McCoy, welcome. Thank you. It's good to be with you. I'm going to jump. Let's jump in the deep into the pool. You live in California for first of all. So there is proof there are Christians there. Yes, sir. Yeah. People's Republic of California. There are Christians there. Now we're on gulags, but yeah. I'm just kidding. Well, you know, they used to, the Catholic priest in town used to say that we were the second largest Catholic church in the community because of the number of people that were migrating. We're getting close to having as many Californians as you do, I think. I mean, it seems like. Yeah, when I was here Sunday and I spoke, a number of folks came up that were from our church.

Really? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, now that's fun. Ten of Californians. So the whole, there's a big chunk of the current contingent. temporary Christian world that thinks Christian should stay out of conversations on current events. And you are kind of the antithesis of that.

You were actually the mayor of Thousand Oaks. Yep. While your pastor? While senior pastor, right. So you not only didn't separate the church and state, you commingled them. Yeah, my mom used to say, never talk about religion and politics and mixed company. And I was the guy you wouldn't invite to the dinner party because that's all I talk about. So what are you going to say to somebody that says, we should.

shouldn't talk about current events. Well, you know, politics, unlike what most people think, the definition, they think it's Pauli meaning many and ticks meaning blood-sucking parasite. But politics comes from the word polis, which is the concerns of the city. And why wouldn't a Christian have concerns of the city? You know, Jeremiah says, pray for the peace of the city in which you dwell. And then I just also say when Jesus was confronted with what's the greatest commandment, he says, to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, strength, and why?

He says the second is like it. Love your neighbors yourself on these two commandments hang along the profit. So don't you love your neighbor enough that you'd want them growing up in a community where there's two sexes, where they can grow up and not be given hormone blockers that are so inhumane. They will give them to serial rapists in prison, but you can give them to a 15-year-old in California without parental permission. And they mutilate their body and call it health care. And they lie to them and say it's loving that they can become the opposite sex, which will never happen. and they call that health care.

Yeah, we have to contend for our neighbor. Love them as ourself. Absolutely, absolutely. And listen, if God didn't want us in politics, he wouldn't have invented marriage. You've got to figure out how to get along, right? There's rules in the road. And your anniversary's tomorrow.

That's right. So you can speak to that with some authority. Well, it's a clever idea. If I was in charge of evil and I could convince the people of God and the people of faith, to not talk about God or their faith except when they were inside the church building? Yeah.

That's a strategy. Well, there's been 10 great awakenings in American history. I should say there's been 10 revivals in American history. And up until 1870, they all resulted in an awakening. So a revival is where a large group of people come to Christ. And then an awakening is where it changes the culture. So in the early portion of our history, all these eastern seaboard peasant, pastors like Whitfield and Jonathan Mayhew and Duchet and Jonathan Edwards, it's almost like they

had a news aggregate of all the stories of the day. And anything that the congregation or their neighbors who they love more than themselves were dealing with, the pastor would teach what the Bible has to say on, say, immigration, on transportation, on minimum wage. They would teach their congregation and discipleed them. And so all of a sudden they come up with the freest form of government ever designed. And it was first preached in the pulpit with Thomas Hooker in Connecticut when he came up with self-governance and electing people. And so in 1870, they stopped discipling in accordance with Matthew 28, and it became about evangelism. And now you hear pastor say, oh, I don't do politics. I just preach the gospel. Well, that's Gnosticism, where you separate the tainted from the holy. And I just also finally say,

when a pastor says, I just preach the gospel, you know, I don't do. do politics because politics is dirty. I go, well, your life's dirty. And you're trying to improve that. Or they say, I'm tired of voting for the lesser two evils. Unless Jesus is running for office, you're always voting for the lesser two evils. Quit making excuses as to why you can't love your neighbor and do good for them. And contend in the public square, the ecclesia, by the way, for the welfare of your neighbor. I've heard you use that line a lot of times. I think it's really helpful that unless Jesus is on the ballot, you're voting for the lesser of two evils. always. You know, there's, I mean, elections aren't perfect. No. But we still have the privilege of

choosing who we give authority to. That's right. And we had better engage in that process or we're abandoning the process and we'll be held accountable for that. Well, you know, when Charlie was alive and we started. Charlie Kirk. Yeah, Charlie Kirk. Ours was the first church you ever preached in. Because when I invited him to come and speak, because I've been traveling with him, he said, I don't speak in church. I said, why not, Charlie? He goes, they don't want me. I'm too political. I said, that's exactly where you're supposed to be. And he did so well. And then, you know, he just launched into the Christian world and spoke over a thousand churches in that period of time. But we did a deep dive into Matthew 16, where Jesus says, upon this rock, I'll build mine.

Everyone says church. But if you notice in church history, Tyndale translated that word correctly. and for that one word he was hung and his remains were burned by the king. And Jesus didn't use a religious term. He didn't say synagogue gay or temple. He used a secular term that goes all the way back to Aristotle and the etymology, Ecclesia. And Tyndale translated Assembly, but I went to the Ecclesia in Ephesus in the ruins. And above the door of the ecclesia are two words, Isonomia and Eleutheria, liberty and equality.

And the Ecclesia was where the citizens of the Greek city state would gathers. gather to decide the laws and the welfare of their neighbors. So when Jesus now says, upon this rock, I'll build my public square, my city hall, and the gates of hell, which enslave will not prevail, when you apply the moral law to civil law becomes a wise restraint that make men free, when you remove the moral law from civil law becomes a weapon to enslave. It's no longer rule of law. It's rule by law. That's what we saw in California, especially during COVID. The church, the bride of Christ is not essential. You're not allowed to be open. But gratefully, there were some folks that stood up to that. Stood up to that. And I really think it's opened a whole new door for the church.

I agree. I think there's a new voice of courage that's emerging, a new kind of determination. You know, when Dietrich Bonhoeffer stood down Adolf Hitler and he said, I'm not concerned about my pension or the church building. I'm concerned about the soul of Germany. And Hitler said, leave that to me and all the other pastors scooted away. And Bonhofer participated in two assassination attempts against Hitler. I mean, try to teach that in seminary. It's a poof. But when before Hitler shot Ava Braun and then shot himself committing suicide, he, he is, one of his last directives was to make sure that Bonhofer was dead. But a person who was deeply moved by that was a man who at first had embraced Hitler. And that was Martin Niemolar. But he could.

came around and became a voice of opposition. And a lot of pastors in California at first, they meant well. They thought Romans 13 you submit to authority. But as Jonathan Mayhew said, the Eastern Seaboard preacher that Adams, John Adams attributed with the war of independence, when he exeated Romans 13, which is what they invoked saying, you can't go against King George, he's been appointed by God. He says, you're leaving out a portion of that scripture that those authorities are there for our good. And when they cease to do good, they cease to be the authority. It's not unlimited submission to tyranny. And so he said disobedience to tyrants, is obedience to God. And he pointed out, not for light or transient causes, which made it into

the Declaration of Independence. And they listed 27 reasons that were not light or transient. And that man was dead before the war of independence began, but he had an enormous effect. That's called an awakening. And this is a is another one that hit me. The Jesus movement, which started with Calvary Chapels, Chuck Smith, 1967. And it coincided with the sexual revolution. Now, a lot of people came to Christ, but there was no cultural change. 86%, not 86, over 80%, and I don't know the exact, but I know it's over 80% of Christian women who've had an abortion did so after they became a Christian. There's no cultural change.

I mean, you profess faith in Christ, but you haven't been disciples with a Christian worldview. And that's what Charlie Kirk had such a powerful effect on this generation of 18 to 30-year-olds. He disciples them before they came to Christ. You know, this podcast is made possible because of sponsors. And one of our sponsors is preserve gold. And I appreciate their partnership with us. And I pray it's a blessing to you. You know, one of the things that I hear most often right now is this, that people are doing their best plan for the future, but they're not sure what's trust anymore.

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I've got a stat down here that I think you brought from George Barna about the young men in the church. Yeah. There's this bubble. Yeah. 18 to 30 year old men? 18 to 30 year old men are now the largest segment of the evangelical church in America. As a result of, I mean, 18 to 30 year olds won the election. They first time conservative voters.

And that's like an imprint of a chick to a mother hen. They're going to be more conservatives as time goes on. And yet these 18 to 30 year olds, they started watching Charlie on campus. And I love the statement that a missionary goes where he's not loved but needed and leaves when he's no longer needed but loved. Charlie would go on campus and it would be Charlie a handful of folks and a sea of detractors. And at the end of his life, it was Charlie a handful of folks and a sea of red hats

and everyone chanting Charlie's name. And he was civil, he was kind, he was respectful, he'd bring the detractors to the front of the line. the microphone spent more time on his lap or on the table than it did up at his mouth because he listened. And they just, they loved him. And he was expounding on a Christian worldview on transgenderism, abortion. And he was contending with logic and rhetoric and reason. And so when he died, all these people showed up at church on that Sunday because of Charlie. And there were some pastors in the country that wouldn't even invoke his name.

We don't do politics. We just preach the gospel. Well, they were Gnostics. Yeah, that's one word for it. I have some others, but I'll leave it there. Well, Revelation 21 says there's a special place for the cowardly. Might want to check that out. It does.

Speaking to Charlie, I watched, well, you were with us the week before his memorial service, and then I got to watch you at that memorial service, preach the gospel. So I think arguably the largest crowd ever assembled to hear the gospel. A remarkable day. I've never experienced anything like that. I mean, it went four hours. And the presence of the Lord was unlike anything I've ever experienced. And, you know, I should have every reason for being scared to death.

I mean, first of all, I'm not an evangelist. I could do the work of an evangelist. And I didn't think I was going to be asked to speak. And bless Erica, I mean, especially with all that she's been through as of late and so much more. But that memorial service and the way it was ordered, politicians were preaching the gospel. I mean, you know, I— With clarity. Yeah.

And Donald Trump Jr. No expletives. And he actually invoked the Lord. Tulsi Gabbard. And Marco Rubio, man, I actually told an interview. I said, I'm going to go into politics. They said, why? And I said, because all the politicians are preachers now.

And it was just an amazing, well, when they were playing the cello and all the signs came up, that was not orchestrated. It was a move of God's spirit. You could sense his presence. I still have chills recounting it. And they say over a billion people, some estimate 1.7 billion people have watched it. And they figured there was almost 300,000 people on site, and especially the overflow. It was incredible. So from what was clearly a.

tragedy, God has brought forth something. Amen. And isn't that why we serve the Lord? Yeah. You know, we're these little brief momentary blips on the face of history. And God brings a meaning and its significance to our lives that so exceeds what we think we are or we're going to do. A man like Charlie comes along one in a thousand years. And he had 31 years on this earth.

And I remember him saying, we're, you know, I'm immortal until God takes me home. And he'd have death threats every day. And he'd get up and shake people's hands, smile. He refused to have plexiglass, you know, bulletproof glass. He just, and as I told one of the security detail, I said, you know, because they were told that they had the text, that the university had the roofs covered. And it was one of those things where, you know, God was able to move Trump's head. God, you know, he works all things together for good. We're all going home at some point.

And what that good will be in time is to be seen. I do know this. From the time Charlie started turning point at 18 to the Lord taking him home at 31. You take everything he ever recorded, a podcast, any videos, YouTube. You take Instagram X, all of it. And from his death to today. multiply this number by 10. People who had never really heard of him went back and started watching everything he's done. And it's had an enormous effect. And then, of course, like the Salem witch

trials, what, 1692, it was ended by a minister, increased Mather. But they used to invoked what they called spectral evidence. Oh, I had a dream that this person's a witch. And they said, no, you've got to have two witnesses. And when Charlie died, you know, Charlie built turning point on nothing more than the spoken word. That's true. And he loved logos from chaos to order. Only a carpenter can build a barn door, but any donkey can knock one down.

So Charlie then goes to be with the Lord. And all that's left is this cacophony of noise of donkeys. They're just knocking down barn doors. And the only thing they're building is there. followers in their bank account. Charlie changed lives. He led people to Christ. These others, they're just trying to divide the nation. And it's, they're now judged jury and executioner. Some of these talk show folks, they're judged. They've judged you because they're throwing up speculation and innuendo and guilt by association. Their jury is their followers. And their

executioners, especially, you know, for my son and for Erica and even myself, not as not much as them, one of these folks who have threatened to take our life may make good on it. Judge jury and executioner is just like the Salem witch trials. And any Christian participating in that, that's a carnal Christian soap opera. And some of these folks are making $800,000 a week on that misery. You look out for the widow and the orphan and that's what you're going to do to him. Okay. You're going to claim the name of Christ?

Yeah, okay. It's tragic. I agree. I agree. And the one thing we can do is stop listening. That's right. We must stop listening. Stop eating the rat poison. Turn away, look away. Stop listening. Don't carry the gossip another generation further. Amen.

It's not easy. Your soap operas wouldn't have been on television for as many decades as they've been. Everybody wants deeper knowledge. Yes. We have the end today and we're going to show the receipts and they've got nothing. And they say, I never said that. And yes, yeah, it did. It's just you played every day. Well, I double-checked. God hasn't retired. Nope. Charlie wasn't the only agenda in the earth. The Spirit of God is still here. Yeah, the Lord didn't go, oh, no, Charlie's dead.

What do we do now? God knows what he's doing. So you're on the road a good bit in churches all over the country. Yeah. Miami, I was in Houston. Here I'm in Tennessee. So what are you seeing? Well, there is certainly a revival. And I'm watching in a number of churches. that I attend. First of all, the real world doesn't live on X.

And everywhere I go, yeah, amen. Everywhere I go, no one's talking about what they're talking about on X. No one even cares. And we're watching as churches are going deeper and getting stronger. However, what we're also seeing is, and I've been noticing this, in our 250-year history come this July 4th, 30% of the electorate in the United States, are evangelical Christians. 70% of the Republican Party are evangelical Christians. Never before in 250 years of history has the evangelical church been divided

over Israel and Jews. And now with this introduction of what they call Integralism, which is an obscure ideology of a weird sect of Catholicism, integralists are to the Catholic Church what Westboro Baptist is to Protestants. They carry the name,

but they don't represent them. 95% of Catholics have no idea about Integralism. But these are ethno-nationalists. They're repackaging. Tell our listeners what you mean by Integralism, because they're not all of them. Integralism is an ideology in a very small sect of Catholicism that says the Vatican will have dominion over all earthly governments and direct them. So it's like a Protestant move of dominionism.

And so there's a strong ethno-nationalism. there is a repackaging of all of the Eastern and Western European, you know, blood libel, Christ killer, all the labels that they give to Jews. They've repackaged it and they've introduced it in the United States. And there's a huge artificial intelligence move to try to capture the minds of 18 to 30-year-olds and even younger. And we're watching as there is a division over Israel. And I love what Dr. James Lindsay says. He says if in the last two years, you never had, prior to that, you never had an opinion on Israel,

now you hate them, you have been subject to a Psiop. And they are. They're buying it, hook, line, and sinker. So pastors need to start talking about it more and addressing it and standing. So I've answered more questions about Israel in the last 60 days than I probably answered in the last 10 years. I get that everywhere too, yeah. You know, and a lot of parents are calling me because they've got 20-somethings, and they're coming home from college or wherever with a new hatred for Israel or the Jewish people, and they're trying to

engage in that. So some of the things I'm hearing is the Jews of today or not the Jews of the Bible. You want to speak to that one? Yeah, so they divided between Ashkenazi and Sephardic. So Eshkenazis have no DNA that connects them to the Jewish race, which, first of all, is not true. That's been disproven time and time again. But it's simple to buy in. And it's also something that was put forward in the 1800s. It's just being repackaged and you are a sucker. And they play a game called six degrees of separation to blame a Jew for anything. So you have 15 million Jews worldwide, seven and a half million in Israel, a little more a little more than a third in the U.S. and the rest are scattered throughout the world. And these 15 million people are responsible for all

the world's ills. And I think this directly comes from critical race theory and diversity, equity, inclusion where you take a white heterosexual male and you put them at the bottom of the food chain and now they look around for somebody to pick on well you know jews can be a peculiar people they've they've they've they're they've got idiosyncrasies and the way they operate and and you stand out with the the clothes that they wear i remember pastor allen i was in the second grade my dad was in the navy we moved from the east coast to the west coast and i got there in the summer so culture shot yeah And I got there in the summer. I was seven years old and I didn't make any friends.

And now it's the first day of school. And I come in wearing clothes from the East Coast and these kids are laughing at me. And I realized this isn't going to go well. So I looked around the room and I wouldn't raise a Christian home. And I looked around the room and I found another target that I could pick on and make fun of. And it was a kid with, you know, red hair and Coke bottle thick glasses and a runny nose and stains on his shirt. And I started making fun of him. And all the kids started laughing.

And I did that in the second grade, third grade, fourth grade, fifth grade. Charlie would talk about this idea of blame in Jews for everything as laziness in your critical thinking. And it's because you want to blame somebody for your failure. And you say, well, the Jews own all the money. They run Hollywood. You know, we can find that in every group of people. And then they invoke, what is it, Revelation 2 and 3, that they're the synagogue of Satan. And you can only be a real Jew if you've embraced Christ.

Well, Galatian says, neither Greek nor Jews, slave nor free male nor female. So if you don't receive Christ, are you no longer Greek? You're no longer a woman? Your social status changes? It just doesn't work that way. And we miss the two billion Muslims and the 50 Muslim nations, 90% or more in the 1040 window longitude and latitude where 90% of the Muslim world exists. You want to talk about genocide? Where are those indigenous peoples? And And Israel, you know, when they were invaded on October 7th, and they, Hamas invaded their sovereign borders, whether you're replacement theologian or not, they, their sovereign borders were invaded. They murdered 1,200 of their people.

Then they captured others and took them into 500 miles of underground tunnels. Then they murdered them in the most brutal, inhumane. Raping. It's just awful. So, just so Americans can understand. In a nation of 7.5 million people, let's equate that to our country, a nation of 370 million. It'd be the equivalent of a Sinaloa jihadist cartel crossing the Mexican border into Texas, going to University of Texas during a concert event for the college students, and murdering 35,000 University of Texas students. Then exiting, and on their way back across the border, they stop at SMU and kidnap the entire freshman class.

Bring them over the border and put them under 500, miles of tunnels, why they're raping them and abusing them, what would America do? Mexico would be glowing right now. I pray. And, you know, I've been there. I was on the border where the three kibbutzas are. These were secular socialist Jews that were pro-Palestinian and marched in the pro-Palestinian. They went thinking, they heard gunfire that they were doing another celebration.

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and not just the pills we take. I've heard people say that the Israelis did that on purpose, so they would have an excuse to respond to Gaza. which they make statements like that with no credible support for it. No credible support, but people will immediately buy it because they have a hatred. They just have a hatred. It's intrinsic.

Somebody said to me, you know, the Jews are responsible for the murder of Charlie. I said, how's that? Well, you know, because so-and-so saw a jet that was attributed to, and they're going through all these iterations. I said, why isn't anybody investigating South Korea? And the person goes, excuse me? I said, I was with Charlie four days before he was murdered in South Korea. And the pastor that he met with is now in prison. And everyone else that he met with is being investigated or their churches are being raided.

And their response was, well, South Korea doesn't have dirt on the president or on the congressional members or our Supreme Court. I said, no, but China does. But you're not, you've already started with the person you want to blame. You're just working backwards. That's lazy. And the church feeds the narrative with some of our ancient tropes that the Jews are responsible for killing Jesus. Last time I checked, crucifixion was still a Roman punishment. And Jesus said, no man takes my life. I willingly lay it down.

He came to die. He was the lamb slain from the foundation of the world, and you want to blame Jews? No, he died because of your sin and my sin. That's why he died. Or the other one, I hear the Jews rejected Jesus, and therefore they've been rejected. The last time I checked the non-Jewish world, the Gentile world, we've had almost two millennia with the gospel. And how many of those are rejected? And if you look around the globe, it's not exactly like we've overwhelmed everybody with our receptivity of Jesus. Well, and they say that all the kings were apostate. Name one denomination in America at one point or another that didn't have an apostate position.

And you add, you know, if you want to talk about Sephardic and Ashkenazi, let's look at the lineage of David, Ruth, the Moabitus. that's in the lineage of not just David, but also Jesus, both on the mother and father's lineage. So your Messiah, who's Jewish, has a moabitis in the lineage. And you're saying, well, you know, is she Jewish? Can you convert to Judaism? Is it spiritual and ethnic? And what is an American? I mean, I can live in Japan my entire life, become a Japanese citizen, and I'll never be Japanese.

But anyone who comes to America becomes an American because it's not an ethnicity, it's an idea. But there are a number of citizens in the United States who have no idea what it means to be an American, yet they have citizenship. So you're going to have a varied depiction of it. And I remember when Tucker Carlson was talking to Ambassador Huckabee, and he said, they have to prove their DNA. And I said, why don't we just do the tests that they did in Nazi Germany that was sufficient enough to put them in concentration camps and gas them and burn their DNA? bodies. Is that what you want, Tucker? Is that where we are now? That Jews have to prove their DNA? It's just, it's vile. It is. Imagine saying to the indigenous people of America, you're not legitimate because you're, you're, you're, you have no connection to the

people that used to live here. You know, you're not an Apache any longer or a Cherokee or a, I mean, you'd be shouted down in the public square so quickly. There'd be no conversation. There'd be no conversation. And yet we tolerate this kind of hatred towards the Jewish people. I lived, I lived in Israel. I studied at Hebrew University. And I went to Israel the first time when I was a boy, so I have always had a connection to the people of the land that I didn't understand the degree to which the American Jewish community felt isolated until I was actually in the midst of a group of those students that were there on their junior year abroad. And I gained a whole new compassion for them. And then to watch what's happened in this last,

few months, or really since October 7th, is, I never thought I would see it in America like this. And it's the ancient hatreds. It's all driven by a spirit. It's a spirit of Antichrist. Yeah. That hates the purposes of God and the earth. Well, and you're missing what's happening, especially in Iran, where you have a sect of Islam whose eschatology with the Mahdi mirrors almost like perfectly our antichrist.

and they want to expedite it. And if they can get a nuclear weapon, and now, you know, at that point, they were getting the hardware from North Korea to be able to launch. And Mad no longer works for a nuclear deterrent because you've got somebody who is an outlier that you can't trust with a finger on the trigger. They cannot have that weapon.

And so we have a common enemy. So Israel participates along with America. And all of a sudden they're saying that Israel is driving America's foreign policy and that Islam didn't hate America until the Jews. And I'm thinking, you haven't heard the Marine Corps him? The shores of Tripoli with corsairs from, you know, the Muslim world that would come in and capture our ships and enslave our sailors. And it was one of the largest expenditures in our American budget to come over and put the kibosh on that. And they said we have the right to do this because we're the caliphate and we rule and we can subject you to

slavery if we desire it's awful but you know so many people I have interacted with and talked to the the fuel for this is coming from the internet but there's very little rebuttal coming from the churches and without the Jewish people we have no story that's Romans we have no scriptures we have no prophets we have no covenants we have no Messiah we have nothing to look forward forward to in the book of Revelation, Jesus is still the lion of the tribe of Judah. He's not identified as the head of the church. He is the head of the church, but that's not the label they gave him in the book of Revelation. No. So we need the church to find its voice and tell the truth.

Got some young guys out there doing it, but there needs to be more. I would, I, you know, when Jesus, I think it was in Luke, he said, I've so long to celebrate this Pesah with you. Pesok. He didn't say last supper. And he said Pesok, Passover. And his mother's name was Miriam and his name is Yeshua. And, you know, it was when we were in, um, um, um, Magito and you know the prison that they have there that they found the mosaic on the floor of a church that would celebrate the Pesach.

And it was, you know, four women and one centurion that paid for this. And this was in an era where, you know, Christianity still carry. the heritage, their Jewish heritage. But then when Constantine comes in and he does the counsel of Nica, he forbids Hebrew bishops from coming and forbid and many of his missives that you're not allowed to go to a Jewish doctor. You're not allowed to, they can't participate and separated and move the Passover, the date of the Passover, the Pessock to Easter. They just wanted to remove any connection. And that was early replacement theology. Well, most Christians are completely unaware that the greatest persecutor of the Jewish people hasn't been the Muslims or the

communist. It's been the Christians. And we may say, well, they weren't good Christians or whatever, but that subtleties lost on the Jewish people. And then we say to them, they're guilty of something because they won't convert to our faith. I don't think they need to convert to anything. They need to acknowledge... That sounds like Islam. They need to acknowledge Jesus of Nazareth as their Messiah. Amen. The Jewish people have to deal with Jesus just like we do.

They have that privilege and opportunity. In Ezekiel 37, and even Spurgeon pointed this out, that Israel will be a political nation first and a spiritual nation second. You know, just because they're God's chosen people doesn't mean that they're saved. All of us, the ground at the foot of the cross is level. It's by the blood of Christ we enter in, or the Pessock, the lamb, slag. the lamb slain from the foundation of the world for them to better understand. But it's almost like Joseph and his brothers. When he said, I'm Joseph, your brother, they couldn't recognize him because he was

dressed like an Egyptian. And the Jews don't recognize Jesus because we've anglicized him so much. When we start to point out, you know, the Passover, and Jesus is the Passover lamb, and he celebrates this, They see the connection. But when we remove all connections and we dress them up like an Egyptian, they don't recognize them like Joseph's brothers didn't. Amen. Well, I hope that helps some of the folks that are dealing with this issue in their houses and with their young people. Have the dialogue. Yeah.

Talk to them. You've got to use your voices and help them think through the information because it's cascading over us. The amount of deception available, I think, is unprecedented. Anything that leads you to hate a race of people? in some even in the Islamic world they're not my enemy they're my opportunity their ideology is my enemy and you're just going to hate a race of people what regardless of what they believe look I get it you get to question the lakud party you get to question Israel that doesn't make you an anti-Semite but to have Jew hatreds oh I don't hate Jews I renounce anti-Semitism and I I remember

talking to one castor news person. And they said, I've renounced anti-Semitism. And I said, well, Bill Clinton also said he didn't have sex with that woman. Saying one thing, but doing something else. I'm not saying you hate Jews. I'm saying what you're doing is propagating Jew hatred. It's six degrees of separation to blame a Jew for anything. Look, I get it. A Jew invented Zyclam B. I get it. You know, Karl Marx was a Jew. I get it. But I can think of a lot of Christians. or those who have professed Christ or come from Christian backgrounds who have been responsible for great atrocities. It doesn't mean you get to annihilate an entire race of people.

It doesn't work that way. Well, Hitler was a baptized Catholic, but we're not trying to condemn everybody that made that choice. That's right. Thank God. Lessons from Paul is a 90-day devotional. Some of my favorite verses that Paul wrote, a bit of devotional time, and then some place to journal. The goal is to be changed. We want to be transformed by the Word of God and not just. just informed by it.

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All right, I know you work or you interact with a large number of young pastors. Seems to give you a hope for the emerging church. Amen. Talk about that for me. What do you see happening? Well, you know, I love this idea. I'm now in my, what, sixth decade of life. And, you know, I've got my health and kids are out of the house and Michelle and I are together when we travel. It's a blast. But at this stage, you know, I'm looking at younger guys and it's like an Elijah and you see these Elishes. And I loved Elijah because he followed Elijah around everywhere. He was almost annoying to the old man.

And finally, he turns to me and goes, what do you want? And I loved Elisha's response. He said, I want a double portion. And Pastor Allen, you and I think of the people that have influenced us the most. I was being with your dad on Sunday. I love that man. And I had a great love for my father. And he went to be with the Lord.

But I was thinking, I'd love to be half the man as my dad. But Elisha was saying, I want to be twice the man as you. And I've met these young ministers that they're going to be twice the man. And Elisha, when he was on his deathbed, and the king, I think it was Joash, came in and said, you know, you're our hope. And he turns to him and he says, on his deathbed, Elijah says, take the arrow and strike the ground. First he says, shoot an arrow out to east window, which is declaring war against the enemies of Israel. And he says, now take the rest and hit the ground. And he hits it two or three times.

And Elisha was the mother man of Israel. He was tender. Elijah wasn't. He was like intense. But Elisha just got angry, exploded on him. He said, you struck the ground two or three times. You should have struck a five or six. And what he was saying to this young king is I have more zeal in my dying body than you

have in your youth. And he's the one who asked Elijah for a double portion. And I would say to the young pastors out there, you have been given. a mantle of freedom in the freest nation on the face of the earth. And we're watching as these young people who have been disciples on campuses are showing up, wanting to make a difference to see a constitutional republic, a free form of government, reestablish with Christian principles. And do you have anything to share with them? And there's some young ministers out there go, oh, I got plenty and let's do this. And now they have that same zeal, but they have youth. And I see them all over the place. And we're

going to start the American Pastors Guild. And these are going to be the guys heading it up. and it's super exciting. Amen. You see the same thing. I do. I went to O'Roberts University. I was there, I think it was Oriel's 60th birthday. They got us all together.

And he said, God has shown me that your ministry will exceed mine. Amen. And then he smiled and he said, but it's going to take more than one of you. And I love that idea to put in the hearts of the young men that they're going to do more than what they've watched. They should build on what they have seen. experienced. We expect them to exceed whatever our lives represent. It's kind of, I think it was Hezekiah who said when he was given the prophecy because he had shown all of the treasures in the store, in the, um, in the temple. And that, and he said, your sons will be carted off as eunuchs

to another land. And he goes, how long? He says 15 years. He goes, well, what you, what you, what say is good. I'm thinking, what? He goes, because there'll be peace in my lifetime. You know, we have to realize that we need to leave it better and we found it. And at this age, it's not to have a drink with an umbrella on a beach somewhere. We need to be working harder than we've ever worked. And it doesn't mean to take a Winnebago and travel the country and go through buffet lines in Vegas, it means to pour into the next generation. And, you know, I had a coach who used to say, treat your opponent and your teammate like they were Jesus.

But he also said, the purpose of sports, as you look to your opponent and you say, if you're going to win today, you're going to have to have the best race you've ever had because I am going to out swim you. And if you beat me, you're going to have to go faster than you've ever. ever gone. And that's pushing each other to accomplish levels of excellence. And that's what we're saying to this young generation. We're not going to sit back on our laurels and relax and get a drink with an umbrella on a beach somewhere. For you and me, this is the most exciting time. We're going to challenge them and push them. And yeah, I'm tired. I get tired in the work,

but not of it. And I want to set a schedule that those guys are like, if that 60-year-old guy can do it, I'm ready. Let's roll. Yeah, President Trump is, I think. Perfect example. all of us on the carpet a little bit for our schedules. Seriously. That guy sleeps four hours a day. He's insane. But I think your point is well taken and deserves, it's got to be highlighted. Every season of life, there is a secular excuse for being ungodly.

You know, your high school years are the best years of your life. Your college years go sow your wild oats. You're a newly married or a young parent. Well, that's your time. You need to be focused on. That'll follow you all the way. Every generation of every season. has an excuse to be self-centered and selfish and carnal.

And we have to make a decision in every one of those seasons, not to ignore our responsibility of the season, but to honor God in the midst of that season. You only do those, every life stage, you only get it one time. Yeah. Why not honor God in every one of those seasons of your life? There's a statement about David in the book of Acts. It's one of my favorite.

God said of David, he would do anything I ask him to do. David stepped in some holes. He did. He did. And God told his story. but I pray it said of you and me when we see the Lord that we would do whatever he asked us to do. I can't think of a greater compliment.

Amen. Pastor Allen, it goes without saying, I got to know you over the television and over the internet. My wife says I'm better on TV because there's a mute button. Yeah, mute button. I don't know. But I just, to meet you in person and then call you my friend, it's one of these things where you didn't disappoint who you are in public is who you are in private. And the wonderful thing

about that is these young ministers are looking for something tangible. And that's our responsibility is not to let them down. We have to finish well. And I want this to be the best segment of my life. I want to set a good example for them. I want to do it right. Amen. And it takes God's help to do that. Amen. The same way it took God's help to honor him in those other seasons. I used to say to the Lord when there's a sin that would easily beset me and say, God, take this from here, kill me. And I never forget what he told me.

He just spoke to my heart. He said, Rob, you're already dying. Why don't you give it to me and live? Tusha. Amen. All right, we always like to close out these podcasts with what can we do. And so we've talked about some things. There's some challenges and some heartaches we've had to overcome and some losses.

But I don't know that I've ever felt. the greater hope. Same here. God's moving in the earth. I say it a lot, but I mean, it's almost impossible to keep up with. Yeah. So if you're going to get to talk to the folks, what are you going to say to them? You're going to be in a world of information overload, and you're going to have to figure

out what's true and what's false. You're going to be involved in siops, where they're going to be trying to persuade you and control you. The greatest filter is to spend time in a hard copy of the Word of God. and don't go to church on the internet go fellowship do not forsake fellowshiping with the saints people can hold you accountable and see you face to face live a real life with tangible human beings in front of you but read god's word it's good preach charlie would spend his devotion every morning first and then two hours and topics pertinent to 18 to 30 year olds you'd study to show

himself approved and take a sabbath take time off beware of the barrenness of a busy life and everybody's going to be fine. You're going to have that filter, and you'll be able to discern between what's right and what's wrong and what's true and what's false. Well, my guest today is Rob McCoy. I'm honored to call you a friend. Likewise. A co-laborer, you've been an encouragement and a strength to me. So we're not done yet.

Amen. And I'm rubber, your glue, whatever you said bounces off me and sticks to you. I told you earlier, we can argue you be president of the mutual admiration society. I hang out with deep thinkers. It's time to take our faith outside the walls of the church, take it with us to our homes, the marketplace, our schools, our circle of friends. Folks, we've got to be Christ followers wherever we go or we're not Christ followers at all. Keep up the good work through us, Christ to change the world.

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