Culture & Christianity: The Allen Jackson Podcast - The Sexualization of America [Featuring Seth Gruber]

Episode Date: March 2, 2024

“If you sexualize a community, eventually they will kill their babies,” said Seth Gruber, who joined Pastor Allen Jackson to talk about how Christians can navigate the cultural issues of abortion, transgender ideology, and more. Gruber, the host of the podcast “Unaborted,” offers a powerful perspective on how the sexual revolution in the 1960s promoted casual sex in our culture, which resulted in the multi-million-dollar abortion industry—today’s version of the human sacrifice rituals we see across history and in the Bible. Pastor Allen and Gruber also discuss transgender issues facing our culture, the profits hospitals make from transgender care, and states that are removing children from parents who don’t support transgender ideology. As you listen, you’ll gain greater insight to the problems we’re facing and find specific things you can do to bring God’s truth into these important arenas.More about Seth Gruber:https://sethgruber.com/--It’s up to us to bring God’s truth back into our culture. It may feel like an impossible assignment, but there’s much we can do. Join Pastor Allen Jackson as he discusses today’s issues from a biblical perspective. Find thought-provoking insight from Pastor Allen and his guests, equipping you to lead with your faith in your home, your school, your community, and wherever God takes you.Listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/3JsyO6ysUVGOIV70xAjtcm?si=6805fe488cf64a6dListen on Apple Podcasts:https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/culture-christianity-the-allen-jackson-podcast/id1729435597

Hey, it's always an honor to have a few minutes with you. There's something on my heart today, and you're going to meet our guest, Seth Gruber, in just a moment. But we're presiding over one of the most precipitous declines of Christian influence in the history of the Christian church. We inherited liberty and freedom and churches on corners and the ability to share the gospel without any pushback really whatsoever. And in a few short decades, we've seen the Ten Commandments taken out of our schools. We have seen prayer banished in most public places. We see a reluctance in the corporate world to come anywhere near a biblical worldview.

And for the most part of that, the church is strangely silent. We've sacrificed 60 million children or more to abortion. We have presided over a sexual revolution that is a nice sounding word from one of the greatest explosions of sexual immorality that the civilized culture has ever known. And the church is bizarrely silent. We're far more interesting.

interested in building bridges to the ungodly and the wicked, then we are holding up a picture of biblical truth. If we don't change, God's judgment will come on this generation. And it will not be because of the depravity of the wicked. It will be because of the indifference of the faithful. Now, that's you and me. We've got to stop pointing our fingers through the windows of the church, humble ourselves, put our faces on the ground, and say, God, I will be different. I will stop dishonoring you. I will stop applauding wickedness. I'll stop. I'll stop. stop being silent in the face of immorality. I'll use my voice and my influence to be salt and light in the midst of a dark world and perhaps God will look upon us with mercy. He has done that. He did

that in Nineveh. He did it repeatedly throughout the story of the scripture. He also brought judgment upon his own covenant people. I believe we're at a pivot point, a tipping point. We will change and we will do it quickly or I believe we'll experience the judgment of God. My guest, today is one of the more outspoken voices for life in our culture, in our nation. He has the courage and the boldness to step into a place that, quite frankly, most Christian leaders I know simply refuse to do. I'm delighted to have Seth Gruber join us. I believe you'll enjoy the discussion.

We are watching on the walls, and if we see evil and we don't use our voice, it says it's on us. our exercise of our faith in America is at risk what are you going to do about it we are called to be advocates for Jesus of Nazareth in Nashville this April join us for the culture and Christianity conference Brandon Tatum Eric Mataxis

Kirk Cameron Alley B Stucky and more go to lead with faith.church to register My guest today is Seth Gruber Seth welcome it's good to have you Thanks Pastor Allen you too You seem to found some energy today. That's good. You're an introvert.

You have trouble finding your voice. Yeah, that's right. Coming out of your show. Yeah, well, I mean, I'm pretty sure I walked into Stephen Ferdick when I got here. And so I got all fired up, got my yeasies on, ready to preach the gospel that's only acceptable to Sodom. Got to keep my 501c3 status, right, for the post-Christian era. It's one of your more endearing qualities, your reluctance to call people out. Well, I mean, that's why I appreciate you, brother, is.

You know, the hour couldn't be later. That's true. And it's time for the sons of Issaqar to rise again. It's time for men who understand the times to show the people of God what they ought to do and how they ought to live. We need some more Schaefer in these days. We need another Christian manifesto. So thank you for being one of those bold voices in a culture of death that's being celebrated and normalized so quickly. and if the prophetic voice of the church can't rise in days like this,

then I think we've been playing church. So thank you for not playing church and for what you're doing. Well, I think it's the courage to take the gospel into the culture in which we live. And, you know, it's so easy to go hide in the culture of the first century or the 10th century BC and use our big words and talk about our hermeneutical excellence and our exegetical clarity. Yeah, yeah. And avoid completely what's happening on the front pages of the newspaper. Yeah.

It's not an attempt to be political. we're not advocating for parties or candidates. Yep. But our faith has to impact the world in which we live. And you do that so beautifully with a primary focus on the whole issue around abortion, but you don't limit your comments to that. No. And I've, you know, I've lost friends for, quote, unquote, not staying in my lane.

And what's frustrating to me is that the other side, and I don't want to, you know, get into, you know, nasty politics games and mudslinging, but by the other side, meaning the secular, humanistic moral revolution that has set themselves up against a knowledge of God, to be precise, that wants to dittle the kids, sexualized children, and kill them in the womb. Okay. They don't stay in their lane. And here's an example of that. Planned Parenthood, the largest abortion provider in the world, announced last year in 2023 that they were the second largest provider of cross-sex hormones and puberty blockers in the land of the free and the home of the birth. brave. It's their fastest growing revenue stream right now, Pastor Allen, is the transgender industry. And by the end of this year, it looks like Planned Parenthood will be turning more of a profit off of

the transgender industry than off of aborting babies in the womb. But they're already the largest abortion provided in the world. Well, why don't they say in their lane? Why? Because it's a secular, humanistic moral revolution. You know, the first revolution was called Christianity, to the uttermost, to the very ends of the earth. Well, Satan wants a revolution too. He wants kings. He wants emperors. He wants presidents. He wants countries. He wants a global demonic agenda to destroy the church, stamp out the people of God. And most of all, actually cause our father's heart to mourn. You see, Satan would kill God if he could, but he can't. So in the meantime, he'll cause as much chaos and heartache on earth as a proxy war attack against he who he can never kill. And so for us to not recognize how ideologies, if you will, coalesce, like what are the,

what are the worldview assumptions that created this culture of death? What are what kind of things have we imbibed in the church that has made us so impotent? I believe that unless the church flatulent becomes the church militant, it will become the church irrelevant. Amen. You know, if we talked about it in terms of athletics, we would say, you had to meet the intensity of your opponent. Right. And in that imagination, the church is woefully unprepared because we have an adversary,

we have a culture of death that has decided to deconstruct our families and target our children, and we meet them with this rather passive response. We have to change. Now, I know you're traveling full-time, you're in churches all the time. Are you seeing, are they waking up?

Are they listening? Are they embracing you? I find when I go talk to pastors, which is about 50-50. Yeah. That some are happy and those that get angry. Well, I mean, you'd probably be a better position to answer that than me just because, you know, you're more seasoned in this fight than I am. Because I'm old.

Thank you. That was a gracious way. By the way, for the cameras, I'm pretty sure I might have more grace. This last two years has been pretty brutal. But I would say, yeah, I've never seen so much excitement for engagement for engagement in the church before in America than I have in the last two years. And I don't think we're at the point that we need to be yet. But I think we're getting there.

We're talking a lot of sort of abstract references right now. Let's bring it down to the dirt for people listening who are like, Pastor Allen, it sounds like a conspiracy theorist. They're not coming for our kids. What are they talking about? Destroying marriage. Well, let's give some examples. Right now there's a family in Montana whose teenage daughter has been taken from them.

She's a minor. She says she's the other gender. She said she committed suicide with a substance, but then at the emergency room, they said that there was no evidence of that. And then the hospital in Montana convinced the parents to register her in a hospital in Wyoming out of state. For some reason, they really wanted to get this teenage girl out of Montana. And then when they brought her back home, CPS came to the house and they took their daughter from them. So that's happening in Montana right now.

They went on the Allie Best Stucky show and told their story. And now they've been arrested. The parents have been arrested because they had a gag order on them to not talk about their own teenage daughter who says she's a boy. That's happening in America right now. Okay? Right now, the state of Washington is pushing forward a bill that's yet to hit Jay Inslee's desk. He's kind of the American psycho Gavin Newsom wannabe. You know, except he signed a bill last year that was more intense than Gavin Newsom.

He signed a bill that would allow the state to take your kid if one or both parents didn't affirm the gender identity of their minor or one or both parents was determined by a mental health expert to be a harm to their child's mental health. Say that again more slowly. Jay Inslee, the governor of Washington state. Newsome wannabe if there ever was one. Okay. And I actually don't mean that, like jokingly. I mean, his COVID shutdown mandates were carbon copies. He literally admitted that he just took what Newsom did, and he just like did the same thing.

All right. And so last year, 2023, Jay Inslee signed a bill. And by the way, you know, you're going to fact check Reuters and they're now, Seth Gruber's wrong. He's lying. I'm getting Reuters all the time on Instagram now. But then you have to understand how Statecraft works. Statecraft doesn't work today. And like, does it say what the bill will allow?

No, you have to ask. and how the language is crafted, is there a way that this could be allowed, given the absence of the language in the bill? That's what you actually have to ask with some of how these bills are written. And so if one or both parents don't affirm the gender identity of their minor, and they oppose using their child's pronoun, or they don't support chemical or surgical intervention or social affirmation, and a mental health expert who's following the science, which, of course, you know, everyone in public health, you can totally trust today. We totally know that from the last three years. determines that that that non-affirming parent is actually causing mental health to their minor. And if that teenager chooses to run away from home to a state-funded shelter,

the state can hide the kid from the parents. And it says in the bill, if they determine it's helpful or necessary for the health of the child, they don't have to inform the parents. So this has been dubbed trans youth trafficking. Okay. And now other states have started to implement very similar things. So it's basically transgender sanctuary states, just like we're seeing with abortion sanctuary states as well. Say Jay Inslee signed the bill.

There's another bill right now that he may sign very soon, Washington State right now, that allows abortion providers, or says the state will allow abortion providers to take the name of the abortion pill medication off the pill bottle and the dosage amount. And because one of the first action of the Biden administration within the first 100 days was to make the RU486 Nazi era relic abortion pill available via snail mail, meaning the postal service. You don't have to meet with a physician anymore. So you don't know if your teenage daughter has a ectopic pregnancy, a tubal pregnancy, because she doesn't have to meet with a physician anymore before she gets the abortion pill to kill her baby. She can just order it online.

That's one of the first things Biden did in the first hundred days. So you're a dad in Washington. And Uncle Joe is kind. He's very loving, right. You know? Yeah. Yeah. It's called pathological compassion, which is a phrase we actually need to use in the church now. We do.

You know what Andy Stanley is? You know what Rick Warren is? You know what Lecrae is? You know what Phil Vischer, Mr. Bob VeggieTales tomato is? They have pathological compassion. This is what Chesterton talked about. He said, actually, idolatry is the elevation and isolation of a Christian virtue, isolated from the others and elevated to the nth degree.

That, like, idolatry can actually be a virtue, but it's only focused on one virtue. So what's a tolerance? Right? Or love or compassion. Right. Those terms are not just meaningless. They can be dangerous if they're ripped apart from, I don't know, truth, honor, morality. Biblical authority. That's what we're saying.

I mean, sure, that's why, like, people would rather prefer, most Christians would rather prefer, like, a gentle speaking snake, right? They'd rather prefer the allure of compassion. Oh, well, he talks so nice. But behind him are demonic ideologies and policies. But they prefer that than the in-your-face mean-tweeting Orange Man, who may or may not be saved and has said crass things and whatever. But seemingly, God chose to use mean tweets over Russellmore winsomeness to overturn the high places on June 24th, 2022.

Absolutely. But this isn't the first time we've seen it. The mistake I think the American Christian community makes is we see this happening and we begin to immediately say it's the end of the world. Jesus is coming back. Woe is us. We shouldn't do anything. Let's buy some dehydrated food until we get airlifted out of here.

And in reality, this cycle has repeated itself through both biblical history and the history of the church. And the real question on the table is, are we going to have the chutzpah that it takes to stand up and say, not on my watch. You won't touch my children. I'm not having a Bible study with you. I'm going to do something else to you

if you don't take your hands off my kids. Yeah, that's right. You know, in Nashville, Vanderbilt boast about the profitability of transgender modification, the mutilation of... About how much they can make. Yes. Oh, these bottom surgeries. Oh, my gosh.

They bragged in that clip that went viral about the cash cows that bottom surgeries are. It's absolutely discussing those doctors should go to jail for life. In fact, I think we need to make public hangings great again. I can't believe Seth just said that. I thought he was pro-life. We don't even have definitions anymore about what it means to be pro-life. Right? Like what it means to be a Christian. Like literally, I meet people all the time who say, Seth, you're not pro-life because you support the death penalty. Right. Because someone smuggled an AK-47 into the uterus.

What are you talking about? We're talking about guilty murderers or pedophiles or rapists and innocent unborn babies. If you can't discriminate between those two things, you're an idiot. But we didn't even have language for these things anymore. And so I really believe that most of the issues we're facing in America today stem from a last. of moral teaching from the pulpit. I agree. Which is not moral therapeutic deism. No, it's just proclaiming the full council of God. It's a Christian worldview. It's applying the gospel as lenses through which you see the world, how you understand Sons of Visicar. You understand the times. And so what the people, so they knew what the people of God ought to do, First Chronicles. So there's a correlation between understanding the times and doing something. So they knew what

Israel ought to do, what the people of God ought to do. So I think we have two options in the culture war right now for the church, for the bride of Christ. Choose your way, Christian man, choose your way, Christian woman. Two archetypes biblically who face similar cultures of death that were sexually crazy and killing babies and out of control. How did those two men live? Gideon and Lott. I think Gideon and Lott are the two archetypes on how we engage the culture of death today. You know, call it Alan Jackson and Stephen Ferdict, right? Call it, call it Jack Hibbs and Rick Warren. You know, call it Christianity Today and Douglas Wilson. Choose which way, Christian man. So you got Gideon, little pansy hiding out in a cave and judges six because they had Bernie Sanders' democratic socialism.

And so they would make their wheat and the Midianites would come and take it. You make we take. It's democratic though, which is like, I think it's like icing on excrement or something like that. Yeah, it's democratic socialism. So somehow that's better. And so the Israelites make their wheat and then the Midianites come and they just take it. So Gideon goes, screw this. I'm going to hide out in a cave and thresh my own weed.

So he's a tax evader, Nottie, Noddy Gideon. And the angel of the Lord comes to Gideon and Judge. just six. This is before Gideon's army, before he was a stud, and he says, mighty man of valor. He reminds him of his identity. He cooks got a meal. The angel of the Lord lights out. Gideon freaks out. He has a job moment like, okay, I'm going to shut up now. Were you there when I breathed that right? He's like, because he shuts up. And then it says, and that same night, it says, Gideon walk out of the cave and go tear down the altars to Bail and all of the Asherapoles. Very interesting, because the Ashtarov,

Asher, the demon gods. You read about the Asherpoles in the Old Testament. It's a goddess of sex. So Asher would sexualize any community. And they would actually worship Ashera through orgies and unbridled sexual escapades. Kind of like today's two Democrat parties, two political parties, right? You see that in both cases. Just weird sex stuff.

Why is weird sex stuff always happening? But what happens when you live like that, when you indulge that kind of lifestyle? Unwanted babies sometimes get created. Shocker. Consent to sex is consent to pregnancy. But that's okay. That's why we have bail. So walk over a half mile to the other side of the camp and cook your kid, sacrifice your babies.

We got that taken care. I think biblically, I think in a sort of biblical prophetic tradition, I don't think it's inaccurate or sloppy theology to say, Asherah has to always come before Bayal. Nearly every human civilization, society and human history has exercised human sacrifice at one point or another. but it always starts with sexualizing a community first. You remember Balim and Balak? So when Balak tells Balak go curse Israel, but then blessings keep coming out, Balak gets pissed. He gets angry.

He's like, because he realizes he can't defeat Israel. This is a Hebrew word for frustrated with the local prophet. Thank you. Okay, I'll help. That's very helpful. Thank you, Pastor. I'm not a pastor. No, no, I got it.

I need that gentle correction. I appreciate that. So Balak gets angry because he realizes that he can't defeat Israel military. and Balam keeps blessing them. So what does Balak do? He sends women down into Peor to make Israel play the harlot. The next time the curtains of history opened, Israel has been handed over. They're destroyed and they're being ruled by people who hate them.

That which you cannot defeat militarily, you can always destroy through sexual enticement. So Ashtra always has to come before. bail, if you sexualize a community, eventually they will kill their babies. Historically, that's actually how it was always gone. It was always thus. And so where does God show his high kingdom priorities? Does he say, I don't really like your border policy right now, Gideon? Now, listen, I just write an article about 7.5 million illegals. We don't know who's coming into our country under the Biden administration. I'm not denigrating that. I'm actually not saying that, like, my issue is the most important and the rest of you guys, no, not at all. These are really important issues that we need to

talked about. My point is this, in an insane sexually crazy society and culture, facing many of the same issues we are today, where does God begin? seemingly, he addresses the Israelites' abortions before he addresses anything else. Because if you can't get the right to life right, you won't get any other rights right. Their morality. That's right. It wasn't just their abortions. It was the behavior that led to the need for the abortions and the sacrifice of their children. I think your examples are spot on. If we go back to Gideon, his first assignment was to take down those altars to these fertility gods. And he did it at night.

He was afraid. Yep. Because when the sun came up and they found out what he'd done, they came looking. They're going to kill him. Bring your son Gideon out here so we can kill him. So we can do the right thing, even though we're intimidated or threatened or we're not confident of the outcome. We've got to have the courage to go get in the game.

That's right. That's good. And we've got to find it. How long are we going to have a Bible study before we go do something? Yep. But I think to your, I agree completely with that order of March. And we've seen it. in our culture. We had a sexual revolution.

Yeah. Free sex, free love, and then we implement birth control, which was going to eliminate unwanted pregnancy. There would be no unwanted pregnancies. There would be no abortion. Abortions would be irrelevant. That's what they told us. Immorality doesn't, that's not how that plays. So the more, the further we came from a biblical view of sexuality and morality, the morality, the higher the abortion rates come. Let's put it this way. They wanted orgasms without responsibility. That's good.

Pastor Allen, I was just reading Margaret Sanger. So, by the way, the Ballack Strategy, today is called the Sangerization of America. If Alfred Kinsey was the father of the sexual revolution, then Margaret Sanger was the mother of the sexual revolution. And she founded her first brick and mortar clinic in 1916. She establishes the organization in 1921, but go back to 1914 in her first published paper called Woman Rebel. Shocker. Woman Rebel with the tagline, no gods and no masters. which just sounds a lot like a serpent.

For God doth not that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be open and ye shall be as gods. Sounds like a feminist studies course in most theology schools. Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah. So no gods and no masters is the same thing as saying, ye shall be as gods. And this shocked me and I live and swim in this mire.

Article 1, edition 1, volume 1 of woman rebel, two years before the first brick and mortar planned parenthood clinic, several years before the organization Planned Parenthood was founded. She has a line in there. It says, Our ultimate objective is unlimited sexual gratification without the burden of unwanted children, end quote. Before Planned Parenthood was even founded, is that not a perfect phrase that represents the entire sexual revolution over the last hundred years?

Our ultimate objective is unlimited sexual gratification without the burden of unwanted children. Orgasms without responsibility. I want to live how I want to live. And I don't want the consequences. from the actions that God ordained for me to practice within his framework for being fruitful and multiplying, exercising, dominion, filling the earth and subduing it. No, no, no. I just want to feel good. If it feels good, do it. So you're exactly right. The birth control revolution, the sexual revolution, all this stuff goes together. And it's ultimately just the elevation of man, woman, in the place of God, how I want to live.

But the only, the counterbalance to that is the church. That's God's plan. That's his initiative. But if I get political from the pulpit, Pastor Allen, the Democrat. who might be visiting on that one Sunday might get offended and never come back. So for the sake of my witness, I'm silent. That's still said by a lot of men today. A lot of pastors believe that. Say that. What do you say to that?

I think if we don't have the courage to hold up a biblical worldview around human sexuality, it's not the church. It's a false church. You shouldn't have anything to do with it. If you sit there, you'll be held accountable for what you have given assent to. You know, we have this passive notion that I'm here as a missionary or I'm here as a whatever. I don't believe that. I think if you sit in the middle of ungodliness and you add your affirmation to it,

whether you do it in a church or a church board or any other place of authority, you will pay the consequence for the ungodliness and the wickedness that you have refused to address. My fear of God is what forces me to use my voice. I'd prefer to be quiet. Yeah. It's easier. trained to do polite Bible studies, but I'm more afraid of God. And if we don't tell the truth, we are watchmen on the walls.

When they put out a movie that teaches our children that they can have friends with benefits and Christian parents send their kids to it and celebrate the people who are involved in those things or send their kids to concerts where the people that are doing the music are blatantly ungodly. Don't bring your kids to me at church and tell me that I've got to teach them how to be moral. Yeah, wow, wow. I mean, we are on a precipice. Yeah. And if we don't find some courage, we will lose what's left of our freedom and liberties, not

because of a political party, not because of the Chinese, because the creator of heaven and earth will come and send us to Babylon or whatever the 21st century version of that looks like. Right, right, right. We're not going to keep shopping in Costco and Sam's and Walmart and whatever your favorite online place is and continue to thumb our nose at God. Yeah. It doesn't work. This is what I appreciate about you, Pastor Allen, is.

So my Pastor Al McCoy once said something. He put it this way. He said, the church in America waits downstream to pick up human heartache that they helped create through their political apathy upstream. In other words, it's easy to launch a 501C3 ministry downstream to help bruised and battered women whose degenerate husbands were allowed to continue abusing. them because we didn't have politicians with chess to pass good legislation or local sheriffs to enforce the law. It's easy to launch a non-profit ministry downstream to bandage the wounds of gender-confused minors whose parents paid to have their own children's genitals chopped off, and now we have to tell them that she can never be a mother or have children or breastfeed her own

daughters. It's easy to launch a non-profit downstream to love on post-abortive men and women and telling them that they can be healed and redeemed and they will see their baby in heaven again one day like King David. It's easy to profit downstream with our non-profits and do the work that the local blood-bought bride of Christ was called to do. You know what's a lot harder, but a lot better? Past righteous laws to protect the unborn so they can't be killed in the first place. And parents don't have to be devastated, having been sold the rotten fruit and lies of the sexual revolution, ban the genital mutilation of children and throw every doctor in prison for life. And let's have another Nuremberg trial for Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins, on whom currently the dean of Talbot Theological

Seminary, Ed Stetzer has an unrealistic man crush, having platformed the director of the NIH, while he was funding third trimester abortions at the University of Pittsburgh, scalping them like an Elizabeth Warren Indian Warhammer, and putting the scalps of third trimester aborted children and grafting them subcutaneously on lab rats to create humanized mice. This is all documented for you. I have the pictures. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'll prove it to you. To test solutions to staff infections. Francis Collins, Fauci's boss, the director of the NIH, one of the architects of the culture of death in the 21st century and who I called the Joseph Mengele of the 21st century. You want to know which men, which evangelical betters that we were supposed to look up to

and platform and say, thank you for being a voice of courage in a post-truths Christian society, Rick Warren. Ed Stetzer. Russell Moore, the editor-in-chief of Christianity today, David French, N.T. Wright. All of those, oh, and Tim Keller, before he passed, all six of those men said that, Francis Collins, after those deeds were publicly exposed, all of those men called him a Christian spirit-filled brother. They said that they were grateful for him. Russell Moore said, I can't wait to see how God uses you next.

None of those men have repented for their association with wicked. They are not Gideon, they are Lot. And that is the other option for the American Church and are out-of-control culture of death right now in 2024. Lot is a righteous man, the Bible says. And he's at the city gates when the angels come to Tork San Francisco. Sodom and Gomorrah. And he takes him to his house,

and it says, men from all parts of the city came to Lott's house. That's what it says. So that means every part of culture was descending down onto that one righteous man's house. He's a remnant.

He's a bold voice of truth. He has the blue verified checkmark on X before Elon Musk buys it. He has political sway over the leaders of the day. And they say, hey, bring those men out that we might have sex with it. But they weren't men. They were angels.

You understand why God wanted towards Sodom now, y'all? They want to have angel sex. for goodness sake. Nephilim all over again. He walks out on his front porch. Now listen, hey Seth, be fair. It says Lot was a righteous man. So he's probably in glory.

We're probably going to see him in glory. He says, brothers and sisters, to which I always wanted to say, Loth, they're not your brothers and sisters. Stop trying to get crumbs from the table of secular humanism so you can keep your 501c3 status. They want to have angel sex. Stop trying to get out of boys from the culture of death.

But then he does love truth out there. He was willing, let me be fair, Pastor Allen, he was willing to lob truth out there. He was willing to critique and criticize the spirit of the age and his acolytes in the culture of death to a certain extent. And he says, he says, do not do this wicked and abominable thing. He calls their actions wicked and abominable. And then he says, here are my daughters. Rape them instead. Whoa.

The testing point of every man is his ability to defend his own, to be a provider and a protector. when the hour was late, when the trumpet was sounding, when this evil was unfolding, now, he offers up his posterity on a silver platter to the culture of death so he can remain irrelevant, keep his place at the table. So Lot was saved, but he wasn't salty. So his wife becomes in death what he should have been

life, a pillar of salt. Bible says that when salt loses its saltiness, it's thrown underfoot and trampled. Christian, if you're wondering why it feels like the church in America is being trampled right now, maybe it's because we've lost our saltiness. You know, the Bible says you can make it into the kingdom by the hair on your bum, or it says some will make it in as if by fire. It means you're getting singed on the way in. I guess Lott gets singed on the way in.

He's a righteous man. But what's going to be his story at the marriage supper of the lamb when we're sharing the testimonies of how God moved while we were here on this fallen earth? I guess Lott's story is I gave my daughters to be raped by a mob and God forgave me by grace and grace alone. What's going to be your story at the Married Supper of the Lamb, Christian? When Dietrich Bonhofer and William Wilberforce

Corey Ten Boom and Oscar Schindler and Hans and Sophie Scholl and Eric Little. And you know what? The unnamed heroes of decades who stood outside of abortion centers, praying and pleading with moms to choose life, who never got recognized at a pregnancy resource center gala, who never got invited to the White House, who never was honored at a Susan B. Anthony List fundraiser or a Heritage Foundation Memorial, but they stood there and they saved hundreds of babies for years. And their story at the Married Supper of the Lamb will be beautiful indeed.

So you see, it's not about us. We don't get political so that, like, Trump will retweet us or some stupid, whatever Russell Moore thinks why we do what we do. We don't get involved because I'm afraid I'm going to lose my Mosin Nagant. I'm afraid I'm going to lose my Glockes. I just want to keep my free speech written. Whatever, whatever about our rights. whatever about our life here.

The point is future generations. Secondly, stewardship, the parable of the talents is pretty, Jesus wasn't very nice to what he said with the guy who buried his talent. What if I told you in America, the gift of freedom and liberty is a talent that you're supposed to steward well? And thirdly, because I want to have an answer one day. When I meet my king and he says, what did you do? as they ripped apart, 70 million babies, 10 million, 20 million on your watch, what did you do for my babies?

We're going to meet them. I want to have an answer to that one day. So it's not about us. I would add to your list of heroes, the mothers and fathers that protect their children. That's right. Yeah, yeah. That bring them into the world, that sacrifice themselves to see them nurtured and encouraged in faith. That's right, amen.

That's a role that God will unlawful. honor and reward. That's right. And that's not insignificant. No. And I would put, I think, the other deficit that we have to face is the decades now we've coached people to walk the aisle of a church, recite a little prayer, and then go live any way they want to live. Yeah. We don't do discipleship very well in the church anymore. That's a whole other podcast. We don't even look at the people and say, you have to lay down your life. It isn't yours. It's right. It's not about God fulfilling your dream. It's about you offering yourself as a living sacrifice to let God's will emerge in this world. That's how Jesus taught us to pray. That your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

You think the pastor is supposed to go to the will of God or the bishop or whomever? Every one of us that names Christ is Lord. My guest is Seth Gruber. Pray for him. He's an introvert. He's having trouble coming out of his shell and expressing himself. I'm encouraged by the momentum I see today, Seth. Thanks, keep it up. Keep leaning into it. Thank you. You too. Thanks for the honor. hear more on your podcast, Unaborted? Unaborted. We're rebranding like next week to the Seth Gruber show, the Seth Gruber show because I'm not staying in my lane.

And so we're going to talk about more things. But yeah, Unaborted or the Seth Gruber show, you can go to the white rose. dot life to find out more about the White Rose Resistance. We're now excited to announce as of the end of January, we're now the fastest growing pro-life organization in America. Praise God. And our commitment, if you're listening to this, our commitment to you is we're trying to put ourselves out of a job to teach and show the church how to be salt.

to you again. Amen. We're actually going to do a conference together at our church, World Outreach Church in Murphysboro, the end of April. Yes, very excited about that. I'm looking forward to that too, culture and Christianity. Amen. Keep up the good work. I appreciate your courage. Thank you. Seth mentioned the White Rose Resistance. It's the name of what he's doing, but he borrowed that. It really comes from a resistance movement in Germany in the face of the Nazis. And at the heart of that was a young girl. They passed out tracks advocating for life. they were arrested and ultimately they lost their lives. We're living in one of those seasons where to stand up for truth takes courage and there's a consequence.

You'll very likely be uninvited. You'll be left off lists. It'll impact your children. You'll have to have the courage to tell them why you're standing for the truth. Silence will bring far greater destruction. We have the privilege of lifting up the name of Jesus. He taught us to pray that his will would be done on earth as it is in heaven. That's our assignment.

It's not somebody else to do God's will. to you and me, if he gave us the assignment, he will help us. That's what we can do. We don't need a bigger platform. We don't need a new president. You and I need the courage to honor God with our lives. I believe you'll do it, and together we'll make a difference in this generation.