Culture & Christianity: The Allen Jackson Podcast - What Does Palestine Want to Be Free From? [Featuring Yair Pinto]

Episode Date: October 4, 2024

Hamas leader, Ismail Haniyeh, was recently killed in Tehran, and Iran is likely to retaliate. The Hezbollah commander, Fuad Shukr, was killed by an airstrike in Beirut. Students in America hold protests proclaiming, “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” not realizing they are calling for the annihilation of the Jewish people. Voices continue to call for a ceasefire despite the fact that Hamas attacked with no warning, Israeli women were brutally raped, and babies were burned to death. These acts were driven by hatred and forces of evil we could not begin to fathom. "If you're talking about a humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip, you should point the finger at Hamas. This is the leadership of the Gaza Strip of the Palestinian people in Gaza. Hamas—this is a terrorist organization that does not care about anything other than destroying Israel," Yair Pinto declared. Pinto is the Director of Operations at TBN Israel & Sar-El Media. In this podcast, he and Pastor Allen give us insight into what is happening with the war in Israel and their enemy's true agenda: the annihilation of the Jewish people. __ It’s up to us to bring God’s truth back into our culture. It may feel like an impossible assignment, but there’s much we can do. Join Pastor Allen Jackson as he discusses today’s issues from a biblical perspective. Find thought-provoking insight from Pastor Allen and his guests, equipping you to lead with your faith in your home, your school, your community, and wherever God takes you. Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3JsyO6ysUVGOIV70xAjtcm?si=6805fe488cf64a6d Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/culture-christianity-the-allen-jackson-podcast/id1729435597

The Gaza Strip is not a nice place to be in every meter you can almost find a terror tunnel. And for 20 years, in this organization, Hamas, for 20 years, instead of developing and investing all the money in education, in teaching the next generation, I mean, how to do profitable stuff, how to be more successful, they've been investing the money in digging tunnels, in training terrorists, in indoctrinating their evil ideology of hatred against Israel, against Jews, against the IDF, through their school system, and through their kids. Well, welcome to another culture and Christianity discussion. I sat down recently with a good friend of mine from Israel, Yaiyir Pinto.

He was in the country for a few days, and we actually taped an episode of Alan Jackson now. And he very graciously agreed to do a podcast as well. you'll notice we're on the set for the TV show. Yair is an IDF soldier, an Israeli soldier. And I had done a show with him some months ago when I was in Jerusalem. In fact, that day he had had surgery to repair a knee injury that he had incurred while he was with the Israelis in Gaza. And so he was back in Tennessee,

and as we're getting ready to air this with you, the saga in Israel continues to unfold. In fact, we were right upon the anniversary of October the 7th when Hamas attacked Israel and killed more than 1,200 Israelis in the most brutal of ways, setting babies of fire in their cribs, in their homes, and I mean, just heinous, heinous things. And so October the 7th is the one year anniversary of that,

But as we're preparing for that, Israel is combating a problem now on their northern border, which is Hezbollah. They are supported by Iran just as Hamas was. But in the last few days, the Israelis have taken out the leadership levels of Hezbollah with some very strategic strikes. It started a few days ago with pagers exploding, the pagers belonging to the leadership of Hezbollah. The how of that has not yet been explained, but it's a very real thing to the point that it eliminated one whole level of the strategic command of this terrorist organization. And now the leader has been eliminated in the last few days. Some things don't seem to change tragically. The United States immediately began calling for a 21-day ceasefire.

And I think it has to be noted that in the Ukrainian conflict, there's more than a million casualty. and the U.S. has not been crying for a ceasefire. I have talked repetitively with pastors on the front lines in Ukraine and cities, apartment buildings, I mean, entire neighborhoods have been totally destroyed. The civilian population has suffered horribly. And our government has not been calling for ceasefires, but in Gaza and now with Hezbollah on the northern borders of Israel, there's this urgency for a ceasefire. I'm all for protecting innocent civilians.

War is horrible, but the approach that our government has taken seems to be filled with more anti-Semitism than it does concern for innocent civilians. It's something we should at least pray for. But I know you're going to enjoy Yair. He is a remarkable young man. I know his wife and his children. And what's happening in Israel is not theoretical to him, nor is it just biblical history. It's very much about the here and now. And I believe our support for the state of Israel

and for the Jewish people is a very important part of our commitment to honor the Lord in this season. So I think you'll enjoy the conversation with Yaiyar and an update on what's happening in Israel and we'll do our best to keep you posted as circumstances continue to emerge as I'm quite certain they will.

Welcome back to culture and Christianity. The goal of this podcast is to help us process what's happening. happening in our culture against the backdrop of a biblical worldview, a Judeo-Christian worldview. The news is confusing, the messaging we get is conflicting, if often not just completely deceptive. And so one of our objectives in this is to try

to give you some perspective to interpret what you're hearing and understand it in the context of your faith. Well, I'm excited about our guests today. He's a friend of mine. I've gotten to know him in Jerusalem. Usually when we're together, I'm the one that's jet lagged, but today he's the one that's a little jet lag. That's my gain.

But Yaira Pinto works for TB in Israel. But beyond that, he's just my friend. So welcome to Nashville. It's good to have you. It's great to be here. Good to see you. Thanks so much for having me here. And thanks for saying my name correctly.

I don't get that a lot here in America. Well, you do a podcast. I want to point everybody towards it. You and Maddie. Tell us what it is and how to find it. Yeah. So we do our weekly podcast on TB in Israel, on our YouTube channel,

and also on the Instagram. Instagram account. So TBN, Israel. We do daily updates about the war, about what is happening from the ground, from Jerusalem, from Israel. So it's really important if you want to know what is happening in this region,

in this wall, visit TB and Israel. And then the boots on the ground, which is kind of an update on all the stuff going on. At the same place, TB and Israel. Okay. So we have daily news reports. We have a podcast,

and we have in-depth interviews, and we go to the borders of the Gaza Strip. of Israel and Lebanon against Hezbollah, to the southern border with the Red Sea, where the Houthis launch attacks against Israel. So Israel is so small, so we drive all over the place, and we really show what is happening on the ground. That's our goal, and we do that

so that people can pray for the situation, because it's very hard to pray for something that is so far away, something that you only read about in the Bible. But by showing the picture, showing people, showing us, I mean, people can get related, can understand what is happening, and know how to pray for the situation.

So that's the goal. I think understanding how small Israel is, you said, I mean, Israel is tiny, maybe about the size of Middle Tennessee, or if you prefer, about the size of New Jersey. Yes. And so the common line we hear in the global communities, there can be no peace in Israel until Israel gives up some land. We don't have a lot of land.

And so you've got New Jersey surrounded by Muslim nations that are much, larger than the United States. Definitely. So it's like the United States saying to New Jersey, we won't make peace with it until you give us some territory. It's insane. It really, it's a demonstration.

There's no desire for peace. It doesn't make any sense. Just look at an example, okay? The Gaza Strip. Everybody's talking about the Gaza Strip since the beginning of this war. Israel used to have communities in the Gaza Strip. Israel is living there. We gave all that up.

We removed our own citizens from the Gaza Strip. and what did we get in return? We get the world's largest terrorist state. Hamas is a terrorist organization, and it controls the Gaza Strip. And they've been firing rockets at Israeli citizens, at communities for close to 20 years now. This is how long they've been in control.

Every week, every week, every day. In the Israeli communities surrounding the Gaza Strip, you have bomb shelters in a distance of around maybe 10 seconds walk from each other because you have five seconds before you hear an alarm until the bomb lands and explodes to find shelter. That's what the Israeli

communities on the border with Gaza had to live with for close to 20 years. The kindergartens are all proofed and reinforced concrete to withstand rockets attack. Because this is the reality that

our kids had to grow with. It's awful. Well in the last few days, there was an attack in the north. This time, Hezbollah, a rocket attack on a Druze village. It killed several children and injured dozens more. It's horrific. I mean, they intentionally target children. No, it's really sad.

And people talk about it as if this was a one-off attack in the north. Hizbala has been launching dozens of rockets every day since October 8th. One day after Hamas launched an attack against his. Hezbollah joint forces against Israel as well, with firing attacks after attacks after attacks. The reason that we don't have thousands of Israeli casualties from the north is because of our defense systems, because of the Iron Dome anti-rocket defense system, which is working very good. Sadly, everything that we build in our military industry and defense capabilities, we have to test it the next day in real life. And if we're wrong, if we make mistakes, then we need to pay.

with people's lives. So in the northern border, just recently, one of the missiles that Hezbollah launched, hit a soccer field with kids playing soccer and killed 12 of them and wounded more than 50. Other Israeli citizens, civilians, civilians, not involved in war. Yeah.

But Israel reached out for the people who planned that with an attack both in, but you tell us. I know they took it, you'll tell it with more drama than I will. Listen, the last few days is like a scene from a movie. It is. So Hezbollah attacked us and they hit the children. Israel vowed to retaliate against the leadership of Hezbollah

and Hamas that we're in war with. And instead of being like our enemies and targeting civilians and, you know, people that are not involved in the fighting, Israel chose to target the leadership of these terrorist organizations. So in the past week, Israel carried out specific surgical attacks against the chief of staff of Hezbollah. Chisbala is a terrorist organization that is supported by Iran, financially and militarily and with the weapons and with the training of these terrorists. It's a known terrorist organization, according to all the world, not just us. And they're controlling Lebanon.

So Israel launched an attack and hit the military leader, the chief of staff of Hezbollah in Beirut. Beirut is the capital of Lebanon in the heart of that country. Okay, so that's, first of all, that's like a scene from a movie to hit that guy and not wound and harm like the entire city or the neighborhood, just like his area. And then there was another attack against the political leader of Hamas, Ismail Hania. This guy is not very good to his own people because he's the leader, but he's staying in luxurious hotels in Qatar, which is that is funding all their operations. So his people are suffering the Gaza Strip.

He's staying in five-star hotels in Qatar. And he took a flight to the ceremony, the inauguration ceremony, of the Iranian new president in Iran, in Tehran. And as he entered this room, the room exploded. So far, Israel did not confirm nor deny that it involved. It was just a gas leak. Yeah, we know. But the Iranians, Hamas, all blame Israel.

And of course, they threaten retaliation. They say that they will respond directly from Iran, which we've seen already in the past. So this is another huge country. Guys, you need to understand that Iran is like more than 100 million people. Israel is 10 million people country. They're like a huge country, huge resources, a huge military that is declaring that they will respond directly against Israel.

Except for one incident, Iran launched attacks through its proxy terrorist organizations, which are also huge organizations. Like, Chisbalah is the world's largest terrorist organization, most rich and most sophisticated with weapons. And they are well equipped. I mean, they don't have homemade weapons. They have Iranian-made, Russian-made weapons that can reach all the way to Jerusalem. Exactly, exactly. I mean, they're a real threat.

Yes, and if a full-scale war would be launched, that would mean thousands of rockets on a daily basis for a few weeks non-stop on Israel. That's the equation of the amount of rockets that they have. And that will cause a lot of casualties on the Israeli side. But this is what we're prepared for now. And Alan, I'll tell you, like, I'm here in Nashville. First of all, it feels a bit weird to be here while all this is happening in Jerusalem and in Israel

after I served for four months with my unit inside the Gaza Strip and on the border with Chisbala in Lebanon. I'm in the tanks unit and intelligence, and we've been fighting Hamas looking for terror tunnels. The Gaza Strip is not a nice place to be in. And every meter you can almost find a terror tunnel. And for 20 years, in this organization, Hamas, for 20 years, instead of developing and investing all the money in education,

in teaching the next generation, I mean, how to do profitable stuff, how to be more successful, they've been investing the money in digging tunnels, in training terrorists, in indoctrinating their evil ideology of hatred against Israel, against Jews, against the IDF, through their school system and through their kids.

Let's talk about that a minute, because the buzzword we hear all the time is humanitarian aid. Yes. That we have to provide humanitarian aid. And there have been tens of billions of dollars given to the people of Gaza. And it's been commandeered, by Hamas, to buy weapons, to build tunnels,

to build infrastructure, to attack Israel. The people don't get the benefit. Exactly. And on a daily basis, there's a whole line of trucks coming from Israel into Gaza with humanitarian aid. Is that true? That's true. I've seen the line personally.

And if you guys want to look at it as well, you can go to TV in Israel on our . And what happens to all that humanitarian aid when it crosses out of Israel into Gaza? OK. So the minute it crosses it. crosses into the Gaza Strip, it's been taken hostage by Hamas terrorists, and it's being used by these terrorists to feed the militants, the fighting,

and they sell it to their own needy population that need the food desperately at a high price, at a high premium in order to make money on behalf of the sufferer of their own people. This is who we're dealing with. I mean, if you're talking about a humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip, you should point a finger at Hamas. This is the leadership of the Gaza Strip of the Palestinian people in Gaza. Hamas. This is a terrorist organization that does not care about anything other than destroying Israel.

I've been in Gaza and we've been checking, like, we've been attacked by Hamas terrorists on a daily basis and the areas that they used to attack us from the most, that you can guess from where. I mean, from schools, from hospitals, from United Nations buildings, and from mosques. These are the areas that the terrorists used in order to attack us. And I'll tell you why. I mean, why do they choose these areas?

Because once Israel responds, everybody says, oh, Israel is attacking schools in the Gaza Strip. Israel is attacking mosques. Israel is attacking UN facilities in the Gaza Strip. And that's how this organization entrenched itself into the Gaza Strip. They prepare their bases underneath the United Nations building, underneath hospitals, so that they can launch attacks and then take cover and use the civilian population of the Gaza Strip as human shields. They launch attacks from hospitals and schools and daycare centers on civilian populations in Israel,

Correct. And then if the Israelis respond to those places where the missiles were launched from, innocent civilians in Gaza are affected, and then the world press says Israel is attacking women and children and innocent people. Yeah, and they usually don't tell the full story that the terrorists launch attacks from these areas. And also in some incidents, the terrorists fired rockets and these rockets landed inside the Gaza Strip and destroyed a hospital. So their own rockets kill their own people.

Exactly. And they still blame you. And they still blame us. So. I've got some problems in my life. I think I'm gonna blame you for those too. It seems to be a fact. Go ahead, you know, it's kind of the trend

that's going on in the world now. When I see the knuckleheads at Columbia University and Brown and these universities that we used to call elite, I refuse to call them elite any longer. They're propaganda centers. They're not educating students. But we see these people demonstrating on behalf Hamas, a terrorist organization whose charter says they're committed a genocide against the Jewish

people. Yes. And yet they demonstrate on their behalf. It shows a level of ignorance that is really difficult to understand. You would have to work to be that uninformed. Tell us a little bit, because I know you go to some extraordinary lengths to try to protect the civilians when you're in Gaza. You're a tank commander. Tell us a little bit about all the things you do to see to it that the innocent civilians do have an opportunity to escape. Yeah, okay. So I'll let you know what's the procedure and the lengths that the IDF is taken in order to prevent harming civilians.

So let's say before the IDF is invading an area in the Gaza Strip, we send pamphlets. We send a plane with notes in Arabic, notifying the population to evacuate that area because the IDF is entering. in order to attack Hamas terror positions, terrorists, and clear that area out of all militants and military activity against Israel. Okay, first of all, that's super odd because what army is letting the enemy know

before it invades. Give them the game plan before you come. Yeah, kind of defeats our plan and our purpose. But that's one thing that we do. On top of that, we make phone calls. We have Israeli, Arab-speaking, intelligence officers that call all the numbers that we have inside the Gaza Strip and tell them, leave this area.

And on top of that, before the operation begins, we give them time to evacuate, and we tell them which road they can use that is safe. Why do you need to create a safe road? And I'll tell you why. It's because Hamas terrorists are launching attacks against their own people in order to prevent them from moving out of these areas because they want to have as much human shields and civilian casualties as possible

because it helps them to make us look bad in front of the international media in front of the world. So we also need to tell them before we attack. We also need to call them to make sure they got it. Provide a safe way out and protect that route. So that's what the IDF is doing. And I mean, I've been in the Gaza trip for two and a half months with my unit. That's what we've been doing. I mean, firsthand.

And sadly, the hardest attack and the largest amount of people lost in my unit was in the first day when we entered. And we were attacked from a school that we knew Hamas terrorists was using, but we could not fire back because we didn't have the approval to launch an attack against a school because we abide by an international law. And the terrorists used that and carried that attack against us, and we lost five guys on the first day. So you lost friends in an attack that was coming at you from a school? Correct. Yes.

That is evil. You know, most of us hear about the war, and we think of it in terms of casualties. But one of the real impacts on Israel has been an impact on the economy. Yes. Because tourism is an enormous part of Israel's economy. Yeah, used to be. Yeah.

And tourism really has been shut down now for almost a year. Hotels are closed, restaurants are closed. And the people that work in those service industries, they're not people that had tremendous savings accounts that they could afford not to work for months. So this has been a tremendous impact economically. Yes, yes, definitely. So first of it's been a tremendous impact economically.

That's one. So many jobs, people are without a job because of that situation. On top of that, you said like hundreds of thousands of Israeli working men and women went to the IDF. And the army, the country, needs to pay their salaries and they're not producing, they're not working. So that's another huge amount of economic pressure that Israel needs to deal with. And on top of that, we have around 60,000 Israeli citizens that are refugees in our own country. because they used to live on the border with Lebanon. They used to live on the border with the Gaza Strip.

They had to be evacuated and moved into hotels that the government is paying for, and they're not working anymore. So all of that together is very, very hard. And that's particularly, I think, humiliating and maddening for the Israelis because you have paid such a price to have a place that's a homeland for the Jewish people that would be safe. Yeah.

And now you have tens of thousands of people who, for many months, cannot live in their homes. Yes. Because in the north, because of the threats from Hezbollah, the rocket fire that comes on those communities on a regular basis.

Daily basis. So those families, those children haven't been in their schools. They've missed the normal routines of their sports, of their friends. I mean, they're actually living in Kibouti, in hotels, wherever you can find them. Yes.

Refugees in their own country. Yeah. Without the end date, that's the hardest part. So you can tell people, you need to be here for a year, half a year, but there is no end date at the moment. It's not safe to go back. And you haven't invaded Lebanon. You haven't gone in to stop the problem.

Your own citizens have very disrupted lives while you have shown some tremendous restraint. Or while the United States has refused to support you in doing what you would need to do, you're too polite to say some of those things, but I'm not. You know, we have been, when we withdrew from Afghanistan, really handing the country back to the Taliban, who we give $50 million a week to right now, in addition to giving them billions of dollars worth of arms and hardware when we withdrew. Then we began funding Iran again, letting the world begin to trade with Iran. So Iran became wealthy.

They're funding Hamas and Hezbollah. And the Houthis. And the Houthis. In effect, we stepped back from Israel, funded her enemies, and have given global permission to to launch these attacks. So we're not without culpability on what we're watching happen and our friends in Israel. And I think the general public listening, that's lost.

That report certainly isn't going to come from our traditional media. Yes, yes, that's the hardest part, that what I learned really, really fast in this wall. So in the beginning, I learned that we're at war, and we need to fight and defend ourselves. After maybe two weeks, by just listening to the media in the world, I learned that there's another front. It's the front for the public opinion and for the truth.

And we are losing that front terribly. We're losing it. Because with all the measures that we just talked about trying to protect the civilians and the innocence in this war, the world still thinks that we are the bad guy. And even our closest allies, as you said, the United States put a lot of pressure on us to stop the fighting in the Gaza Strip.

What do you mean by stop the fighting in the Gaza Strip? We have 131 citizens, also U.S. citizens, including babies, the elderly, children, and women in the Gaza Strip. Why you want us to just leave them there to rot in a tunnel underground? How can we stop? Rockets are still being fired at Israel. Even now, nine months after this war started, how can we stop? The terrorist organization still claim that they want to destroy Israel. I mean, there is no way to stop this.

We don't want this wall. I can tell you. just, you know, record the TV programs about tourism, about visiting Israel, which is an amazing place to visit, by the way. We'd rather show them the rabbis tunnel in the city of David. Exactly, you know, and not talk about wolves and missile and defense. But this is what we have to do in order to survive. Well, and I think the Americans should understand that all of the enemies that you're describing

say very clearly that Israel is the first target, but that America is their ultimate target. that Israel is the little Satan and America is the great Satan and now we've had an open border for almost four years with millions of people coming across. There's no question that we have terrorists in the United States. Just recently

a few terrorists were apprehended that they had affiliation with Hamas and that they were stopped on the border. So if we caught a few, I mean you cut a few, then many more are in already. That's the situation. And Iran

wants to destroy the United States. As you said, we are the little Satan. We are like in the way before they attack the West, America, and all the Europe, the Western values, the Western countries. Thank you for standing up on our behalf. We may not be wise enough to say thank you as a nation, but I'll say it as your friend. I appreciate it.

You know, we talked about the wars and the terrorists and the awful things that are happening, but there's good things happening too. You have three beautiful children. Correct. All redheads, none of them look. like me, thank God. They all look like my wife. I was just at Israel. It was just about a month ago with, I don't know, a group of almost 80 friends. And we traveled from the north to the south,

went to a wedding in Gaza, a Moroccan wedding, over 600 people. They had a party. It looked like a show from Las Vegas. They had laser lights and so much food. It was an amazing celebration. So life goes on in Israel. It's difficult and challenging, but there's some wonderful things to celebrate there as well. Yeah. I think the one thing, one good thing about Israelis is that we are optimistic. We adapt quickly. And sadly, we're used to being an attack all the time.

So, you know, I just want to tell you a funny story. Iran in April launched a huge attack against us, 250 ballistic missiles and drones. So immediately, after the attack stopped, we started getting texts in all the parents' groups of the kindergarten. So is the school going to be open tomorrow? Can we send the kids to kindergarten tomorrow? Okay, the attack ended less than a few hours after the last missile, you know, was fired. So this is the mentality in Israel.

So, I don't know, it's good, bad, but we are there. And we know that God is on our side. So that's why I think we can be optimistic and still have a plan for the future, despite all this hatred that we see even in America and university campuses. But that's what I tell you, that was really hard for me to see. So for all the people listening to this,

what can we do to help you so that you know you're not alone? Okay, so I think that first of all is to know what is happening. Okay, search for the truth, research, be a bit more, I mean, understanding of the situation. Don't just take what you see in the news and in social media,

and in slogans as the truth. So listen to culture and Christianity and TB in Israel. Exactly. And we'll keep everybody informed. Definitely. And, you know, get the facts. And so that's the first thing that you can do.

Second of all, I mean, we as believers in Jesus, in Yeshua, we were called to pray. And this wall is not just a physical wall. This is a spiritual wall between good and evil. And as believers in this wall, we need to pray. How do you fight a spiritual war? You pray, you fast. And in order to pray for the peace of Jerusalem, you need to understand what is happening in Israel, in Jerusalem. So I think, first of all, is learning, understanding what is happening, find some good sources. Second of all, pray. First of all,

pray in your heart that God will reveal to you what's right and what's wrong, because there's so much media out going out there. And I cannot tell you, I mean, of course I can tell I'm speaking the truth. Alan Jackson is speaking the truth for sure, 100%. But don't take my word for it, okay? Pray about it. If God tells you, this is the truth, I mean, go with what the Holy Spirit and God is showing you. And then start praying slowly every day a little bit for wisdom for our leaders, for the ID of soldiers, for the hostages to be released. I mean, find one hostage and pray for that guy, make it personal. Don't pray for like 131 because that's kind of hard and vague. So and you know, stand with Israel, share with your friends. That's what you can do and I think that helps a lot, a lot, a lot.

You guys, when you came to Israel and stayed in a hotel together with Israelis, some of them live in danger areas, some of them served in the army for many months, it's really encouraging to see that somebody around the world is standing with us and someone has really, I mean, still brain attached to stand with the only democratic state in the Middle East against these terrorist organizations. So that's really like encouraging. All right, Yajir. It's so good to see you again. Keep up the good work. You're not alone. You have friends in Tennessee and far beyond. I'll come back here for sure. I look forward to it. Now he's given us an assignment. We've got to stand on behalf of our friends in Israel. We're going to pray for them, not in some random way. We're going to pray for them by name and

specifically about what needs to be done. We can't afford to stay at home and complain. We've got to take the time to get on our knees and seek God. My Bible says that the one who watches over Israel never slumbers nor sleeps. And we have to remind God of the needs that our friends have. God's moving in the earth. I say it in many places in many ways, but I honestly believe there are more reasons for hope than despair. Don't give up your hope. You keep thanking God. He'll be faithful to his people and his promises in the earth, and we want to be faithful with our assignment to honor him. We'll be back soon to talk more about culture and Christianity. In the meantime, you'll be praying for the peace of Jerusalem. Hey, thanks for joining me today. Before you go, please like the podcast

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