Culture & Christianity: The Allen Jackson Podcast - When Satan Invaded the Newsroom [Featuring Alex Marlow, Jason Whitlock, Sage Steele & Eric Metaxas]

Episode Date: October 31, 2025

In a media landscape increasingly shaped by ideology rather than truth, both faith and free speech are threatened by fear and censorship. In this episode, Pastor Allen Jackson sits down with Alex Marlow, editor-in-chief of Breitbart News; Jason Whitlock, award-winning sports journalist and commentator; Sage Steele, former ESPN anchor; and Eric Metaxas, bestselling author and radio host. Together, they examine how satanic and woke ideologies have reshaped newsrooms, silenced dissenting voices, and targeted figures like Charlie Kirk. This conversation is a call to the Church to rise in faith, boldly proclaim God’s truth, and stand unshaken against the forces of darkness seeking to silence His people.—It’s up to us to bring God’s truth back into our culture. It may feel like an impossible assignment, but there’s much we can do. Join Pastor Allen Jackson as he discusses today’s issues from a biblical perspective. Find thought-provoking insight from Pastor Allen and his guests, equipping you to lead with your faith in your home, your school, your community, and wherever God takes you. Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3JsyO6ysUVGOIV70xAjtcm?si=6805fe488cf64a6d Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/culture-christianity-the-allen-jackson-podcast/id1729435597

Welcome to Culture and Christianity. Most of you know, I suspect we just hosted a Culture and Christianity conference that was broken into segments. One of the segments was a half a day discussion on the church, the culture, and the media, and how those intersect. Well, I want to share with you today the panel discussion we had around that topic. It was a pretty lively discussion, people from different aspects of media, different voices into the media.

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And so one of the key things when God moves, when he calls people to significant shifts, is he gives them imaginations of what's next. Moses, I want you to go back and tell Pharaoh to let my people go. Joshua, I want you to lead these people into this promised land. Saul, Ananias, go tell Saul what he's going to have to suffer to tell people about me. He just met me on the road to Damascus. And we're at one of those pivot points. A friend of ours, someone we respected was murdered, martyred for his faith. God is moving.

And so I think what I'm really interested, first of all, Jason and Sage are friends and have been friends a long time. Absolutely. Okay. Yes. So there's not a brawl about to break out on the platform in the church. But you know, I could take them. I have no doubt. I'm going to put this foot beside that ear and there's absolutely nothing you can do.

Y'all are too young, you don't know that movie. Okay. But you've described the media in various ways, evil, I mean some really weighty language. And you all have lived against it and in the midst of it. And yet you represent a new expression of media in our country. So maybe talk to us a little bit from each of your perspectives what that's going to look like. What are we looking for to see God breakthrough? Because I don't think ABC, NBC and CBS are going to be swept from the face of the earth in a tidal wave.

They're going to continue to exist. But there's new voices, new platforms, new expressions, truth is being told. Things are being uncovered that they've desperately tried to hide. The absurdity of the lies is becoming, if you have any willingness to look, it's more clear every day. I loved your comment, Jason, on the difference in the word, if you write or versus being an actor. Versus just talking. Yes. It's, you know, we all have a tendency to not be truthful when we talk.

You know, if I went and asked someone, hey, do I look skinny right now? And people were like, yeah, yeah, you look great, Jason. But if someone had to go write a column, they might say, you know, Jason needs to lose some weight. And so, you know, you're not sitting there when you're writing a piece. You're thinking more about being truthful. It's got to stand the test of time. What you say has to work in that moment. and so that's what you're getting a lot from the media.

It's something that works in the moment where as this written word is out. I mean, it's been a long time, and it still hadn't changed, and it still stands the test of time. But I also heard you say we have to be willing to sacrifice our lives. Without question. I mean, Jesus set the example.

We should be persecuted. it's it's there's part of me I hope this comes off correctly but there was part of me on September 10th a tiny bit jealous of of Charlie

it's like holy jean he did it he went all the way and he's now with Jesus and it's like it does inspire me I got to do more I want the devil to hate me so bad that he's thinking, I got to kill

Whitlam because it's the only way to stop me. You know, can I jump on that real quick because on September 10th, I received a text from all three of my kids and their 1921 and 23 and to get them all on the phone at once

and it's their idea is a big deal. And they wanted to have a talk with me and they said no more. No more, Mom. We don't want you talking. We don't want you going anywhere. We don't want you going on campuses. They're afraid. And I listened to them. Their voices matter. And I understood because they saw two little kids and a beautiful wife lose their father for just speaking the truth. So I think the problem is that

that's what they want. They want us to be afraid. They want us to run and get quiet and say, oh, never mind. And it does make sense. Charlie knew it. He had a bulletproof vest on. He knew it. So what do we do? Do we run and hide?

You guys didn't. You came. So I think the more that we continue to do this, and certainly there's precautions that could be taken. Your team has been incredible and making my parents who called feel better. But honestly, this is what they want. So it's going to take people who are fearless,

making Kelly set it through tears the day of his murder. Whatever they want, I am going. And I think there's people who are surprised that we have all stood up. We're just one of many who are like, oh, heck no. How can you not at this point? I mean, after Charlie lost his life, anybody that would shrink back should be ashamed

that is cowardice at this point. And I think, especially if you're a Christian, we're supposed to know that Jesus actually defeated death. We're supposed to know that. And if you don't know that and live that way, you do not have faith. You can't say you have faith and then live like you don't have faith. And so I think that this was like, in some ways,

a gift from the Lord to us to say, like, now will you stand up? now will you stand up and I think it's what Erica said I think the devil has unleashed something in this that is unbelievable it's it's no difference the same principle as the crucifixion right it's like the devil's like I won now it's like excuse me no he did the worst thing to yourself ever you could do that's basically part of what has just happened I mean a sleeping giant has been awakened that I I think we're going to see things in the culture that most of us could not even dream of seeing in our lifetimes. And I think the media landscape has shifted so dramatically.

Does anybody understand how unbelievable it is that Colbert got canceled and that Kimmel got canceled? That is a big deal. I live in New York City. I understand the media. That's a big thing for me. This is huge. And ABC and CBS, they're scared to death as they should be. be of losing everything. I mean, when Jimmy Fallon had Greg Gutfeld on as a guest, I thought,

wow, that's interesting. They must be really scared because they had to have Greg Gutfeld on to kind of say, like, oh, please keep watching. You know, we're not anti-Trump. Something is happening. We need to seize this moment. And Donald Trump, praise the Lord, understands this. He has just been fearless in dealing with this. It's amazing. So I thought quite a bit about how the media became so demonic. And it's obvious now. I think we knew it before what happened to Charlie and the media reacted.

I think just looking at those instances, the way they treated the trans shooter, mulling down children as they prayed, the way that they took that as if it was just something that happens. And of course, the incident on the train in North Carolina, which I talked about in my speech, I was thinking, how do we get here, how do we get to this demonic moment in media?

And I think it's just the absence of God. The media insisted that we should not incorporate faith into our coverage at all, not even consider issues of faith. Even though I find, and you can see it, just check who gets the most followers on Instagram and social media. People who are preaching, people who are talking about their relationship with God, people who are showing their faith in their content, wildly popular. People love this stuff. There's massive followings. And the media completely ignored it. And I think that's where Satan got in. I think he got in because of the absence of God. And I'll tell you, this is where Charlie was a visionary. All four of us participate,

in something that's changing in the way the media is being perceived by most people, which is that people are getting their news and their opinion simultaneously. They used to think of it as you get your news from the AP or the New York Times, which was lying to you, and then you can go to Rush Limbaugh, and he'll tell you what it means. No, it's not how they're doing it now. You find your favorite hosts, your favorite podcasts, and you're getting both at the same time because they trust Jason if they're listening to his show. And they know he's not bringing something that's going to be false to them.

and then immediately you don't have to switch to another show or another paper to figure out what Jason's take is on it. You get both. So that's what's happening. But Charlie was doing that, but he was doing something even bigger. He wasn't just talking about the news. He was talking about his fate at the same time. He's incorporating three things at once, news opinion and faith the same time. I don't know anyone else who was doing it at that level the way he was doing.

I can think of a couple other examples, but his was the biggest show. And maybe that's the future. Maybe it's you find the person who doesn't just talk to you about the news and give their opinion, but also how that relates to living a godly Christian, Judeo-Christian, American life. And I think Charlie trying to bring back our politics to our founding documents, our founding fathers and their faith, I think that was going to be the start something really, really big. And I just wish we could have got to see it through a little bit more. Do you remember New Year's in New Orleans?

was it before the Sugar Bowl, the bowl game in New Orleans, and the guy drove the truck down Bourbon Street and murdered. And the next day, the day after that, when ESPN and ABC aired that game,

and there was a moment of silence, and they refused to show it. Remember that? You talked about it. Yeah. To me, that was also a huge turning point, where it happened, half a mile from the stadium where they're playing

and you simply refuse to do it, it's just a moment of silence. Where's the humanity in that? So I think there's been many, many turning points along the way, and these networks have felt it building. I personally think it's too late for the mainstream media. I know I'm not going back. I'm not watching ABC, ESPN, CNN, any of them.

Don't forget to New York Times. I know there's nobody here. stupid enough to read the New York Times, praise God. But every time I mention it as a number one New York Times bestselling author, I want to spit. You know, think about it. Like, are you kidding? Yeah, they used to be something. What we're talking about here, just to frame this, okay? I grew up in a working class home, okay? I went to Yale University. That was the first time I was introduced to the secular, anti-American, anti-born-again believer worldview, the globalist cultural elites. The first time I was exposed to it, and I realized, oh, that's how they think.

And I live in New York City. That's how they think. But I recognize that many of them, they're either hostile to faith and patriotism, or it's so foreign to them, they don't speak that language. So if it comes up somehow, they just avoid it because it makes them uncomfortable. Some of them are not anti-that. They just, it just makes them uncomfortable. He just avoid it. That has been changing dramatically. The media landscape has shifted so dramatically in the last, let's say, 10 years, we're in a new day, and we can feel it, and it is happening. And I think the shift is just, there's no going back. So I am profoundly hopeful. And again, Charlie was so brave. He didn't need to talk about his faith. He could have just stuck to politics, but he talked about his faith. He's normalized that for young people all around the country. So, again, I think we're on the verge of an absolute shift like we have, like most of us could not dream. I know it. But as I listen to you all, yeah, it's true.

And not just tonight, because I listen to your media platforms. You tell more truth about what's happening in our culture more directly, or you write about it with careful detail than the places I'm accustomed to going for truth. whether it's a pulpit or traditional media outlets, the shift has taken place. It's up to us to recognize it. I mean, it's not like going to happen. It is happening before our very eyes. Jason brings his Bible out and pointed us all towards it tonight. A young woman stopped me earlier today.

It goes to a Christian university in Nashville in the Bible department, and she said the chairman in the department doesn't believe in the... authority of scripture. And Jason is standing on our platform telling us, you better be reading your Bible. And he's a sports writer who's telling more truth than the faculty members in theology schools. That's not a very high bar. I'm sorry to tell you. What I'm trying to demonstrate with my show is everything can be evaluated and discreet.

us from a biblical point of view. And so I said this jokingly on my show. It's like, hey, you should evaluate your toilet paper biblically. You should evaluate the Tennessee Titans biblically. There's all kinds of opportunities. Some of you may have a young son or daughter that's into sports. and the mainstream media will let a Lamar Jackson or someone say, I want to thank my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and the mainstream media will never ask why. Or how did Jesus, how did your faith help you? They never want Lamar Jackson or any of these guys to explain.

And so we have to explain. And there is an opportunity, Alan, with churches of your size to stand in the gap where the media has fallen down. The church bulletin has never been more important than it is right now. The access to you guys and the websites that you guys have to support your podcast, but there needs to be from the church,

like a daily place where people are getting explanations from a biblical point of view about what's going on in the world. And, you know, that T-P-USA faith great organization, but I would love for them to enter the journalism space and start giving a biblical perspective

on everything that's happening in the news. Because, and this is, I don't want to stir up anything, but it's just like with diversity, which I'm not a big fan of, I want to see Christians debate truth. I think that's necessary and important is how we learn.

I really don't care what the atheist has to say. I really don't care with the people that haven't surrendered to Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. I'm not interested. I don't need that diversity. And they've convinced us, nope, you got to hear from the transgender person who's living in a delusional world. You got to hear what they have to say about the Tennessee Titans last loss.

I have no interest. It's removed from the standing of truth. And so I'm just what's, and I'm no sort of great example. But I have gotten into the mentality of, like, I've come out from among them. I don't have people that support abortion while calling themselves Christians. I don't have any interest in engaging with them. I'm going to pray for them. They can listen to my show,

and I'll try to explain to them, but running around and acting like I've got to respect their opinion on something God has already ruled on, why should I be debating them? So, Pastor, I have a question for you because this is ringing true to me because I had a not happy experience at church last week,

and it was because, the pastor, I think, gave a very weak sermon about Charlie, where he was taking seriously the people who think he was a divisive and polarizing figure. They hadn't spent five minutes looking to who Charlie was as a person and what he stood for and what he believed. And I'm a big boy, so I didn't completely panic, but I did take my kids and leave. I did that. Yes, I didn't. I couldn't help it. It was, I couldn't stay there. Because even though Charlie was acknowledged, I'll admit, two years ago, maybe they wouldn't have said a word. But it wasn't good enough.

It was not strong enough, it's not robust enough. And I think that we need to use this moment to move forward. But what do we do if we're in a weak church like that? Well, I think first we have to acknowledge that the gospel is divisive. Jesus was not a unifier. He said, I didn't come to bring unity. I came to bring division. He brings it into homes and into families.

And the church has believed a false gospel for too long. we've had this secularized, sanitized gospel that said we should have a big tent. And that's what I'm telling you. The voices leading us, I believe, under the direction of the Spirit of God, are coming to us from places you don't expect.

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We've had this watered down false presentation. I listened to one of Charlie's videos of the day when somebody challenged him that he was divisive and they said, he said, well, so what's not divisive? And he said, well, Jesus was all about the, sermon on the mound. And I'm screaming at YouTube going, it's not the only sermon he preached. And so I'm

profoundly grateful for your messages and your books and your podcast and to hear you say you're afraid. And you've got to face the fear and learn to trust the Lord where you're afraid because we all have to learn to do that.

We've been afraid we would lose our jobs. We've been afraid our kids wouldn't in the cool group anymore. We've been afraid we'd be ostracized. If you're in my, you're afraid people are going to leave your church or your board's going to cancel you or whatever. And I'm hearing you all describe how you faced that fear. And I think your instincts are exactly right. Don't tolerate from the church less truthfulness and authenticity than you'll tolerate from your professions. I hear you raging against people in sports that are like buffoons. And I, I'm not, I'm I watch you write about the politicians who were clowns.

And you live in New York City and call out the, yeah. Alan, I think, and you know, you've heard me, I have preached it from your pulpit at least three times. It is the people in the churches, if you're going to a church that is not bold on all of this stuff, you are guilty. if you are tithing God's money to a church that is not leading on this stuff and being bold, you are guilty. We have to understand as the church, it's not like, oh, well, it's my church, we've been going there. The time is late. Every single one of us has to be a combatant.

We're in a spiritual war, and we have to live radically by faith. and I say it over and over and over. In my radio program, if you're going to a church that is playing this game, where they're preaching weak sermons, or where they're preaching sermons where they're taking both sides of the issue, you know, with Charlie or whatever,

run for your life from that church. And by God's grace, find a church where they're being bold. Or do you go and knock on that pastor's door and that priest's door? What do you mean? and have a conversation and ask why are you not? I mean, because I don't know because, you know, if you're in a town, it's a small town, there's only one church.

Well, sure. I'm just saying, listen, the book letter of the American church, I have had innumerable people come to me and say, I gave that book to my pastor, and he didn't want to read it or he didn't want to, you know, whatever. They basically go, nah, I'm not interested. We offered the film, and I was saying,

Charlie helped us produce a film. He's in the film, free to churches. And their churches are like, no, no, I don't want to go there. So, yes, if you think it's possible to persuade your weak need coward pastor to get a spine, you go for it. But the point is, if he doesn't, if he doesn't, then get out of that church. That's what I'm saying. So, yeah, if you think there's a chance and he has the ability to hear you and go, you know what,

yeah, thank you. I missed it. absolutely, absolutely. But I know people they have tried, and they've just been rebuffed. And I say to them, then get out of that church. And I agree. I think it's interesting. I had some incredible conversations with my priest in Connecticut before I moved from there.

He's the only thing person I miss about the state of Connecticut because we could have the conversation. But he would hear it night and day from his left-wing parishioners, night and day. And so- If he was preaching stronger, he wouldn't have so many left-wing parishioners. That's right. But they left more and more. They would get up in the middle of it when he talked about abortion and how it should be handled.

So he was doing it the right way. My point is that why are they the only ones that are loud about it? We can be loud about it too. We just do it in a kinder, gentler, more God-like way. I'm sorry, I'm an optimist. Look, he's rolling his eyes at me. I want to add a piece to this, because those of you that are church, this is the South, Most of you have broad exposure to church, and you act like it's a surprise what sexual immorality is.

We act like we can step back and decide whether we tithe or we don't tie. Stop blaming the pastors. You practice the truth you know. If you'll do that, God will raise up, but he may raise them up from sports journalists or political analyst or people that went to Yale. He's bragging about that I'm wondering what's going on there It's the Vanderbilt of the north It's a

Yeah let me I think of Yale the way I think of the New York Times Those places, they are dead They are like the like the fig tree That Jesus cursed They are dying And they deserve to die They have been just

purveyors of foulness For many, many decades Yale was the first time And when I went there, it was the first time I experienced this kind of thinking, which was cultural Marxism in the 80s. And so these places that most of us, we've been getting, we've been taking our lead from these places, culturally speaking, it's like, oh, they must know what they're talking about. We now realize they don't, and we need to reject them. And anybody's still trying to play patty cake with the devil by saying, well, I read the New York Times and I read the, run from that.

We're in a new day. And I really do believe that enough people are doing. that, that these places are going downhill and we're going to see, even in TV, who knows what is going to happen. But I am hopeful that these places have been rejected. I was just talking the other day in my radio program to Victor Davis Hansen about this, that most people know if you go, yes, if you go to any of these places, you have been indoctrinated with Marxist lunacy. You don't want to hire somebody like that.

They're just going to give you trouble, you know. It's like hiring Colin Kaepernick. You don't want to do that. I just think I throw in a sports reference, you know. There was, and I apologize for this, but there was something I left out of my speech that I thought was important, and I'm glad I got a couple of, or 60 seconds to elaborate on that.

And it's when I was talking about the social media algorithms in Silicon Valley and their control of social media and how they've forced us to lean into all these different Marxist identities. And I just want to implore you all to only identify as a Christian. Don't identify. Because when you say you're a Christian, you don't need to tell someone that you're heterosexual. When you say you're a Christian, being black becomes completely irrelevant. And so I just want you to think about what they've done.

done in Silicon Valley by making people think that their sexual identity is hyper important. And so what they're really saying is that God doesn't get to define you. What sexually arouses you defines you. That's insanity. Whatever gets you excited sexually, that's your identity. I'm gay because what gets me excited is another. man. That's insanity. And people are running around, well, I'm, I'm gay, I'm bisexual, I'm black,

I'm white, I'm all these things that are irrelevant. Christian. And then you don't have to, there's been so many decisions made that I don't even have to think about. I don't have to think about being pro-life. He's already told me. And all the dumb things that I think, Taking on the Christian identity is the only thing that made me pursue holiness. Because I start telling everybody I'm a Christian. And so then my friends changed up how they engaged with me. None of my friends called me anymore and say, hey, let's go out to Vegas. No one does.

Because, well, Jason's a Christian. So I'm not going to invite me. Hey, let's go to a strip club. Well, Jason's a, he's a. He's a Christian. He doesn't go to strip clubs. And it's like telling someone you're on a diet and you go to their house and say,

well, I'm not going to offer him a second helping. He's on a diet. And so you box people in. I'm a Christian. And then they'll treat you like a Christian. And then it's easier to be a Christian. Okay. So I've been thinking about this concept for a long time

and I really want to bounce it off a couple of sports journalists. there's something amazing happening in the sports world, and you golfers are going to understand this. So I'm a golfer. I don't know if you could tell a green jacket. I got this from a store. I did not earn this. I'm good.

I'm not that good, though. But we're witnessing the greatest golfer since Tiger Woods is competing right now, a man named Scotty Sheffler. What he's doing is unbelievable. I never thought I would see it again in my lifetime after Tiger. So after he wins the Masters in 2024, one of the journalists asked him about his legacy being secure. And his response was the most unbelievable response to a question I've ever heard anyone asked ever.

His response was simply looking at a room full of Columbia J school educated reporters and says to them, oh, my victory was secured on the cross. I learned more about the greatest golfer of the last decade in that phrase than I could learn by any 5,000 word ESPN the magazine piece you could ever do. And I've been thinking about this. I've not had an excuse to talk about it with anyone. And I feel like I got two perfect people. I don't even know what the prompt is.

I just want to know what you guys are thinking right now, having covered this world. Love Scotty Sheffler and love his testimony and his willingness to share his faith and wear it on its sleeve. He's forcing people to think. about what is his sort of power and concentration and skill? And I just, you know, I wish Tiger Woods talk like Scotty Sheffler. Thanksgiving 2009 would have never happened.

And Tiger would have broken Jack Nicholas's record, and we would have all been celebrating it. Scotty Sheffler is amazing. Love him. Love, love. He was in that group when I got popped in the mouth, too. and I talked to him in a commercial break on Sports Center a couple months later, and he would only want to remember.

Apologize? Oh my goodness. That's a scandal. Someone write that up. Send it to me a bright bark. We're going to report on it. Two years later. Anyway, I won't go there.

Point being, Scotty, said something. It was so genuine. It's not about me. I just fell in love with the human being that we're watching, the husband, the father. Do you hear how he talks about his wife?

Do you hear how he talks about his kid? How about when he wants, on, what is it, the open a couple of months ago. And I actually talked to Skip Bayliss recently, who was a colleague for a long time at ESPN, and asked him why it upset him so much that Scotty Sheffler said that his golf achievements aren't what he's most proud of.

And Skip and many people were angry because they want that fire that Tiger had. They want that to be everything in his life. And he said, Jesus and my wife and my kid. And if I never win again, I mean, I'm okay. And people were so upset over that. It takes strength and courage.

And yes, it's easier when you know in your heart who your savior is. But it still in that world does take courage for him to do that. And I love it. And what they don't want us to know is how many people celebrated that, right? Because mainstream media, once again, is not going to report that. But it was beautiful to see how many people said, yes, yes, yes. And he is the greatest golfer we've seen since Tiger. How about the human being?

that he is, that we all, as independent journalists, need to continue to uplift and showcase. I got one last question. All of you have, you've shared stories of the courage it took professionally to make the choices you've made. I feel like right now there's a prevailing sense of threat if you hold the biblical worldview in the public square. And I think we have to intentionally reject that. It's absurd and it's wrong. We shouldn't be afraid to share our biblical worldview. We shouldn't feel like Charlie or whoever would step under that tent would be threatened.

We can't accept that as normal. They're not going to make us wear a yellow star. We've got to reject that attempt to normalize it because if you accept it, we put our children or our grandchildren under the curse of that fear. So you all have modeled the courage to say you're not going to love. label me, you could de-platform me, but I'll find another way to use my voice, or you'll face your fears.

So maybe any words of wisdom, or because I don't think we can accept it or we'll all get hunted. We should fear God. I don't have to say anything. We should fear God. And the point is, if you don't fear God, you're a fool.

We're sinners. We're broken. But the point is, you should fear God. And you You should fear being a coward. We are on this planet for a short season. We get to live for God for a short season, and then it's over. You don't get to live for God once it's over.

That's it. You don't get to be brave in heaven. You get to live for God here. And it's a privilege. And the fact of the matter is, we ought to know you cannot out-give God. When you live out your faith and people say, I can lose my job. Well, do you not trust the Lord with your career?

Because you should. Do you not trust the Lord with your health? Do you not trust the Lord with your life? I mean, the Lord wants us to live that way. He died on the cross so that we would live that way. And we need to know that. This is not like extra credit Christianity. There are people, listen, folks, listen to Americans, spoiled Americans.

There are people dying for their faith while we debate this and we worry about, oh, I could lose my job or I could lose my. There are people dying for their faith, being tortured for their faith. While we in America worry about what my neighbor is going to think of me, shame on us. The Lord is trying to wake us up to be the church of Jesus Christ. It's not extra credit. That's basic Christianity. What Eric said earlier to me about how when you try to rationalize, when he said to the group,

it was actually, it felt like it was to me. That's why he's good. I was thinking about you. Yeah, the, thank you. I was thinking about you. But I was watching you on the screen, so that actually makes sense. So what he was saying about how the way to conceptualize when something so devastating happens, like what happened to Charlie

and how God spared Donald Trump, it's clear God spared him. I think that's obvious. But he didn't spear Charlie, but to look at it as though every day is a gift, and we're not entitled to another one. It's the only way to get through it. and I've been thinking about this and I've been agonizing over it because Charlie was a close friend of mine

and he was someone that I just introduced my son to him and I have these memories with him as a boy and he was still barely not a boy when he died and how could that be? And it can only be Eric's answer which is that every day was a gift. We're not entitled to another and we have to be prepared to fight every single day

and that's what Charlie was like in person. I think that's what everyone on this stage is like in person. Maybe even you most, pastor. It's one of those things where we have to fight every single day. And we don't have a choice. It's not an option. And this is a great country. It's a great world where there's a lot of reward for being fighters

and standing up for your values. And so there's a lot of incentive along the way too, which makes it a little easier. But overall, I hope all of you in the ways that you can can come away from tonight in this conference and to think that I'm going to find my way to fight every day. No days off. That's it.

That's the message. Pardon shop? Eric said everything. The only thing I would add is, for me, I don't think I'm being courageous. I think it's just common sense. And what Eric's talking about, fearing God, that's just common sense. It does make it easier, doesn't it? When you simplify it and remember the word, hard or right, easier wrong, as I said earlier,

Yes, but it is right there for us. I do think in the media, we have a responsibility. One that should be obvious that we all learned in J school and everything else, but obviously a lot has happened right now, right now. I mean, I used to say, okay, why am I on this earth? And I believe in God and all these things. Okay, I'm a mom, yes. I know, along with that, I was given this platform for a reason.

and it would be irresponsible. That's the nicest word I can think of to waste it. We are here for this moment for a reason. It is a God-given blessing. And never again can any of us afford to live in fear. It's time. Amen. Sure.

All right. Our commitment is this isn't just an intellectual exercise this weekend, but they're going to invite God into our lives. So this evening, we're going to close with a prayer. It's a proclamation. You should have gotten a card when you came in if you didn't share with one another. It's like a biblical idea. Or you can tear it in half and give someone half a prayer. That's more of a socialist idea. Why don't we stand for this? The locals know what to do. One side's the prayer. The flip side is the scripture that it was derived from. What we want to do is say what God said to us

and not just talk about what God's doing. I intend to get in the pool. Amen? I'm not willing to come talk and meet courageous people. I want it to be said to me when I'm done that whatever arena God put me in, I lived with a courageous faith for him. You can do that. You don't have to be an ESP in anchor or a gifted writer. We can do it from whatever place God has put us.

This is an appropriate close for the day. Almighty God, we read it together. Our offenses are many in your sight. and our sins testify against us. We acknowledge our iniquities, rebellion and treachery against the Lord. Turning our backs on God, justice has been driven back,

and righteousness stands at a distance. Truth has stumbled in the streets. Honesty has been far from us. Truth is nowhere to be found, and whoever shuns evil becomes a prey. We humbly ask, Lord, that you would look, restore righteousness, and establish our hearts in your truth once again. May a respect for God grow in the hearts of your people. May those who oppose you, fomenting

deceit and lies be silenced. May their schemes unravel and be exposed. May the glory of the Lord be evident. Let us speak your truth with all confidence. Stretch forth your hand, that your power, will be evident to all who are willing to see. Let the purposes of God break forth in this generation. In Jesus' name, amen. God bless you and thank you. Hey, thanks for joining me today. Before you go, please like the podcast and leave a comment

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