Dan Wootton Outspoken - ALLISON PEARSON REVEALS THE SHOCKING UNTOLD STORY ABOUT BRITISH POLITICAL PRISONER LUCY CONNOLLY

Episode Date: June 16, 2025

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Get unlimited grocery delivery with PC Express Pass. Meal prep delivered. Snacks delivered. Fresh fruit delivered. Grocery delivery on repeat for just $2.50 a month. Learn more at PCExpress.ca. No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wood and this is Outspoken episode number 249. episode number 249. And my goodness, we've got a good one for you today. I am so excited for you to see my extended exclusive interview with The Daily Telegraph's star columnist Alison Pearson on board the Mark Stein at sea cruise. And what we wanted to do was give you the full, unfiltered, unheard and very, very important untold story of the UK's political prisoner Lucy Connolly. As you know, this has been a cause that I have championed on Outspoken since she was sentenced to that barbaric barbaric prison stay. And Alison Pearson has gone on board and really taken this story of Lucy Connolly to the world.

But there's so much that people don't know and given the fascination in the story we're going to go in depth today. Plus Alison Pearson will also open up about why the mainstream media failed the United Kingdom when it came to the cover-up of the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs, which she describes as the biggest scandal in British history. So we have a very special edition of the show today. There's no uncancelled after show, but don't worry. I am back tomorrow, back tomorrow live with Angela Levin. So if you do want to sign up now to my sub stack and watch on demand tomorrow or live if you want to just head to www.outspoken.live. But now let's go. So Alison, here we are the middle of the ocean.

But actually, all of these great freedom fighters around the world, the main thing they are talking about is just how terrified they are seeing what's happening in the United Kingdom. And so for us, this is quite a weird experience, isn't it? Given that we are so concerned about what's happening too. And it's shocking in a way to see just how terrified people internationally are. Of course, you have been at the forefront of raising in the mainstream media attention to some of these cases that have just been ignored. And I guess the one that people are by far the most concerned about is Lucy Connolly. Yes, absolutely Dan and it is quite funny, funny is not really quite the right word, but being here with all these people who say oh my god are you still

arrested and I say oh I'm fighting two legal battles, but apart from that, it's absolutely fine. Join the club. Join. Yeah. I mean, what did you say the other day? If you're not facing multiple lawsuits, you know, you know one really, you know, I mean, I didn't expect to be. I was not arrested, technically, but I was visited by the police, which we must draw that distinction. But yes, so Lucy Connolly's case.

And I came to it really because of you and Outspoken. And that was because I saw you interviewed Ray Connolly, Lucy's husband beautifully on your show. And that made a big impression on me. And because Ray trusted Dan, he always quotes you at me. And that enabled me to win trust with Ray, who obviously doesn't trust anything very much because when you've got your wife, when you've got your wife in jail and so I was able to go to his house in North Hampton and meet there Lucy and Ray's delightful 12 year old daughter who

obviously is having a lot of distress because of her mummy being in jail and raised like a sort of hapless dad with a daughter going through puberty, God help him. And she needs a mum, Dan. She needs a mum. And her mother's in jail. Her mother's in jail completely. For a post-onix. Yes. That she deleted within hours. Yes. So I was very interested in the backstory because I'd seen, like everyone, Lucy Connolly, one of those horrible police mugshots. Nobody looks great in those today, but Lucy looked

really hard-faced. They always make them look like serial killers, don't they? So we saw that picture of Lucy, you know, conservative counselors, racist wife, right? That was her. And overnight, that's who she became, demonized. And I was very interested because I'd read that they'd lost a child. I wasn't quite sure what that had happened, that Lucy was a child minder. So I thought, what's the human story here? You know me, Dan, I'm very drawn to the emotion. I like, as a journalist, I like to tap into the emotion of a piece, not just the hard facts or cold hard facts. So I went to talk to Ray and just remind Outspoken gang what happened was on the day of the Southport Massacre when three little girls were brutally knifed to death and six other little girls were horribly

injured. Lucy was childminding the little six little kids she looked after in her home six little kids she looked after in her home. And since Lucy and Ray in 2011, they had a baby, Harry. He was 19 months. He got very ill. They were back and forth to the hospital and Lucy was hysterical and saying, please help. My son is, my baby's not very well. And the doctors were pretty arrogant and horrible.

And they said, Lucy and, sorry, they said Lucy and Ray are overbearing parents and packed them off home. Lucy having begged them to put Harry, baby Harry, on a drip. They got home, they went to bed, they put Harry in the cot next to the bed and they woke up at four a.m. and Harry was dead. And Lucy was on the phone hysterical calling 999

and she said to Ray give him CPR, give him CPR, but he said he couldn't tell her the baby already had rigor mortis. So that is probably about as traumatising an event as any person, mom or dad could live through. So just... And they went through the process and it was officially decided that this was a case of NHS neglect. And as a result of that, you were going to have such a mistrust of the system for very good reason. Yes, the coroner said there was 13 catastrophic failures

in Harry's care. and they fought and they ended up at the British Medical Association. And not any failures from Lucy and Ray, by the way, who had done what any good parent fighting for their child should do. Yeah, exactly. So after that Lucy went to London to a senior psychiatrist and got a full diagnosis of PTSD. She was traumatised and she was on medication and what I spoke to both Ray and to Lucy's mum who said that since Harry's death she is very easily triggered by anything to do with suffering children or particularly dead children. So on that day in July it was everything her nightmare was

little children who had been murdered. And she was surrounded, remember Dan, in the in the childminding group with these little tots. And Ray got home and he said he couldn't get into the house. She'd locked the doors. He got into the kitchen where Lucy and the children were. She was crying, she was clearly very traumatised. She kept saying, have you heard what's happened? Have you heard what's happened? So that evening about eight o'clock she went on X and she posted a tweet which was like a burst of anger and distress and it was pretty horrible. She said something like, burn them all, I don't care.

Hate these politicians and government railing at the authorities. And if that makes me racist, it's so difficult. Yes, but she also said, I feel sick knowing how those girls, parents and families will be feeling. So she-

In reference to what she had been through. She was writing as someone who'd had her beloved little boy torn from her. So she was traumatised. She then took the lovely family dog, Harley, who I met, who still misses his mum, misses Lucy. Ray says when he's got her on the speakerphone, Harley, the dog is like, where is she? Where is she? So yeah, so she wrote that tweet. She took the dog for a walk, got back to the house, thought, oh, what have I said? You know, I lashed out, shouldn't have done that, really not a nice thing to say at all,

totally out of character, deleted it, didn't think anything more of it. Eight days later, the police come round to the house, they, it was, all the children were just being dropped off for the childminding group, can you imagine it? Lucy just out of the shower, the police are there, you know, absolute chaos. She's taken off, you know, lots of police cars taken down to the police station and because she's a normal mum, she's, you know, she's a lovely, nice, normal person, she was chatting away happily to them. I'm sure we can get this sorted out. I just posted this thing. I'm sorry. What a ridiculous thing to have said. It's

really ugly. That's not the kind of person I am. And by the way, Dan, it shouldn't matter really. I don't think the tweet was racist myself. It was ugly and unpleasant. I don't think it was racist. Now in Lucy's Charm Minding Group, she has looked after children so diverse that she used to joke to her husband Ray, it's like the United Nations in here, you know, Bangladeshi, Jamaican, Nigerian, all these different, different nationality children with whom I've seen video of her with the kids. It's absolutely her saying to this little Jamaican girl, you are so scrumptious. So she's a loving person.

And as far from racist or what I define racism to be in the world. Well, a very loving person. But so she was, she said she got to the police station, she was obviously giving this interview, being very candid in a way that perhaps someone, in fact, when she got into jail, the women who were there who were more experienced said, "'What did you do that for?'

She should have said nothing. She should have said nothing. So she's chatting away. She was trying to justify her political views, wasn't she? And I guess, Alison, it's worth pointing out too, in that intervening week there had been this massive political campaign to crack down on free speech, to target individuals like our mutual friend Bernie Spofforth, a businesswoman,

because what the government was doing was creating purposefully a vacuum of information, knowing that actually if we knew the truth about Axel Ruda Gavanna, who was the terrorist, who was the killer, the anger would have been off the scale. So we were being lied to over that period, and they needed some key targets that they thought would shut up the population. Yes, that's exactly right. So Lucy was a lamb to the slaughter, I think. And she said at some point it occurred to her, oh, they're going to hammer me.

She, she, she, it suddenly clicked. Wife of a Tory councillor. It was perfect. Perfect. Politically, it was perfect. And she, the first sinister thing that happened was she was denied bail. Now, I've spoken to various very senior lawyers

and they say there could be no grounds for denying Lucy Connolly bail. She had no previous criminal record, totally law abiding, wasn't a flight risk. She had her family at home that she needed to be there for. She deleted her ex account so she wasn't going to reoffend. So she was a perfect candidate for bail and we can talk more about other cases but there are plenty of cases where we've just got this Labour MP, Dan Norris, this recently, just the last week or so,

Dan Norris this recently, just the last week or so, allegedly, there are allegations that he has been involved in child deduction and child sex offences. He's got bail, right? So, you know, we can look at numerous cases where people... Ricky Jones, the Labour councillor? Well, yes, absolutely. So, people who have actually done physical harm or far more serious offences got bail. So Lisa didn't get bail. Now the effect of that was disastrous really because if she had got bail she'd have had access maybe to different legal advice. So she was on remand in a prison. This is a nice, basically middle-class lady who's petrified. She's, this terrible thing's happened to her.

She's in a jail. She's being told, if you plead guilty, it'll be all over nice and quickly. You'll be out by Christmas. You'll be able to see your daughter and Ray by Christmas. You know, plead guilty, everything. That will, you know, it will go well for you. Meanwhile, a couple of senior barristers were advising Ray, tell her don't plead guilty. If she came before a jury, because of the kind of person Lucy is, she'd be probably

get off or have a very, very small sentence. And, but then what happened was she did plead guilty to this charge, the most serious charge, not even the lesser charge. She pleaded guilty to inciting racial hatred and riot. Which by the way, there was absolutely no evidence linking any, I mean I call them the so-called riots by the way, but let's just take the most extreme example where there was violence, none of it was at all linked to a post on X from Lucy Connolly. Which had only been up three and a half hours max. No, absolutely not. But anyway, the police went back through, they had seized her phone, she gave them her pin number again, things that only a trusting, innocent kind of person would do. They found a couple of things that

they thought were more racism, absolutely not. Like joking with a mate who called her something rude and then she called him something rude back so it was just bad. It was a whole back story. Back story to anyway so they said oh look what she's done anyway. So Ray, Lucy's husband, said I don't understand racism but I'll go and obviously all the parents of the children Lucy's taking care of so beautifully I'll go and ask them could they write references for Lucy to submit to the judge and I've read them Dan and you couldn't have better references. One Nigerian lady was saying we consider her to be a great family friend, our family in Africa know of Lucy as this wonderful

person and this is a I'm a novelist with my other hat on and this is a novelist detail. On the day that Lucy Connolly was going to be sentenced in Birmingham, one of the dads of the little child she looked after, a Nigerian doctor, was going to his visa application hearing, carrying the forms filled in for him by Lucy Connolly with a reference from Lucy Connolly. I want to cry. Can you imagine that? Who does that?

She's such a lovely thing to do, right? Yet in the mainstream media, this woman has become the pinup, starmer's pinup of a racist. Yeah. And actually, and this is where what you did, Alison, was so important, because even people who we have a lot of respect for, who we're friends with, for example, Julia Hartley Brewer, at the time was on air saying, I hope Lucy Connolly is locked up for a very, very long time. Since your piece in the Daily Telegraph,

Julia has come out and said, I was wrong. I didn't know the details. But people didn't deliberately. Yes. But it does show the power, doesn't it? It shows the power of that mainstream media narrative and the fact that this government, the UK government, were specifically looking for targets. They were and one of the things I found was very disturbing was that in Lucy's interview there was

a transcript of the interview, not disclosed, but the police and the Crown Prosecution Service, the CPS, they released a statement saying, Mrs. Connolly doesn't like immigrants and thinks they're a danger to children. Lucy had never said that. And when she heard or saw that statement, she burst into tears. What she had actually said was,

I understand why we have immigration. Our hospitals are full of immigrants who are doing a great job, keeping our health service afloat. But what I am concerned about is illegal immigrants, where we don't know the countries they've come from, there have been no checks on them. And I think that's a national security issue. And they could be a danger to children. Sentiments, Dan, with which millions of British people agree. Right. So you've got that. There was this erroneous statement, the family protested. They didn't correct it. If you go on the CPS website now, the correct statement by Lucy is

there, but the damage had been done. Lucy Connolly, racist, doesn't like immigrants, thinks they're dangerous to children. So that's the message coming out, plus the horrible photograph. And meanwhile, Keir Starmer, who I think shockingly turned up in Southport, he knew full well that Axel Rudekubana had been on the Prevent Terror watch list, that he possessed ricin, which could kill 10,000 people he had an al-qaeda training manual he had weaponry all that so he knew that he turns up in Southport as a gathering of upset local people and they and he basically became known as 19 seconds Keir which is all the time he gave he threw the wreath down and

scuttled out as fast as he could. If he was a proper leader, he would have gone and spoken to that crowd and said, I absolutely understand your rage and distress. Because everybody was shocked, weren't they? And everybody, I'm sure you were the same as me, we're not stupid, Dan. We know when they say, oh, this is a Cardiff-born choir boy, you think? We knew he would have had a back history of some despicable kind. And this was not a normal British crime, okay? And we knew bits and pieces about Axel Rudeckbana, and we knew that there was a cover-up. And we knew that politicians,

especially the Home Secretary and the Prime Minister, were hiding behind contempt of court in a way that actually was totally intellectually dishonest. But I think those 19 seconds in Southport though were absolutely critical for people like Lucy Connolly because Stammer, he's not a stupid man, he saw the anger, he felt the visceral anger, he heard what the people of Southport were saying to him. And so he comes back to London that night, to Ends of Parsi, by the way. So he didn't really give a damn, but what he knew is that that had to have a lid put on. And so to put a lid on that, that anger, he had to make the population terrified.

And I believe that's why people like Lucy Connolly received the types of sentences that they did. Because if you're an ordinary working woman who is thinking like Lucy Connolly, what's your response? Holy crap, I'm not gonna say anything about this because I might end up in jail. What am I gonna do with my children for the next two years? Yeah, absolutely.

And I think that there were moves in the judicial system to deny bail. So Lucy was not, I think, of the people who were accused around the riots, obviously Lucy's crime quote unquote, proceeds the actual riots, but bail was denied in many many cases. I think most, almost all, pleaded guilty. There was one guy in Wales actually, Jamie Michael, who posted a video calling for peaceful protest. He was arrested. I think he refused, he didn't plead guilty. And indeed, not long ago,

Jamie Michael's case came to court before a jury, and they took 17 minutes to decide he wasn't guilty. My strong hunch is that if Lucy had come before a jury, they would have dispatched it very quickly. Instead, she was taken to Birmingham, very, you know, she could have been in a little local magistrates court, she could only been in a little local magistrates court. She could only have got up to 12 months. These cases were not held in the places they would normally have been held. They were brought before far more senior judges than you would expect. This, to me, was the establishment moving to make sure

that the thing they fear most, they fear the population rising up in anger about mass immigration. The failures of multiculturalism are now really bubbling up and that's what they feared. So Lucy's in Birmingham, Ray's sitting there in his best suit, bless him. And the judge starts with, we are a diverse and inclusive society. And he said to me, oh my God, the minute he started out on that, he thought, you know, she's really in for it. In fact, she'd been told,

she'd been told in Northampton, you're looking at a long custodial sentence. This is even before she'd had anything. So there, you know, she's popped in the prison van, taken off to Peterborough jail, absolutely petrified. Yeah, I think she, after researching I've come to the conclusion she's basically a political prisoner. And she's not the only one. There are other horrifying cases. There's also Julie Sweeney, the grandmother, the carer who just sent a Facebook post, wasn't even on X, just to a group. And just like

Lucy, she deleted it very quickly. This is a woman who has lived a charmed life, looks after her very ill husband full time, very similar prison sentence to Lucy. And then probably the most tragic case is that of Peter Lynch. He is a great man or was a great man who again I researched him because I didn't trust how the mainstream media was portraying him. They claimed he was a rioter. Now actually he has a... He was holding a placard. Yes and that placard was something that he had become really famous for since Brexit. So he was opposed to the attempt by the establishment, by the deep state to overturn the biggest

democratic vote in British history and all his sign did was really point out the links between what was happening in the UK and globalist organisations. Now, I've watched the body cam footage. There is absolutely no vision of him being violent in any way. They were actually violent towards him. He receives a similar sentence to Lucy. So too does his son and of course he dies in prison. We're told it's a suicide. Do we really know given that we were also told by Martin Brunt on Sly News that Muslim gangs who run most of our prisons were planning to target the so-called rioters. Now luckily you know that Lucy hasn't had that experience in her women's prison but we don't know what happened with Peter Lynch.

Well we know she hasn't had, I mean actually because she's such a nice woman, the irony is she's been surrounded by some pretty hardcore criminals who are murderers and a marvelous person known as Patio Sue who buried her parents in the back garden. So there's Lucy, a sort of middle-class childminder, literally. Sent a tweet. Sent a tweet, yes. And this did make me laugh, Dan, because she's, of course, all the girls said, what are you in for, Lucy? And then she said, oh, I tweeted something. They're absolutely cracked up, because they think it's hilarious, which, because it is hilarious.

At one level, it's hilarious, but also it's very sinister. But she became a great advocate for some very troubled and violent young women. I absolutely adore her, have come to sort of sit in her cell and rely on her. And Ray said a wonderful thing to me. Ray said, you'd think they couldn't wait to get Lucy out of it because she writes all the complaint letters for the other women. But she, this is a really troubling fact, is that she from November was eligible for this thing called Rottle, R-O-T-L, right of temporary leave, and also for another HDC which is a coming out with a tag. Now she met all the conditions for that. She'd been an exemplary prisoner. At Peterborough, they were going to, she'd done so well, been so cooperative and nice. They offered her a much higher standard of accommodation, which Lucy turned down because she didn't want to leave some of the vulnerable young women who'd become quite dependent on her. So that's, and she's always ringing up Ray and saying, can you send a tenner for X? And they haven't got, you know, God bless them. They haven't got much money and Ray's had to sell his car,

but they're very generous to the young women around them. So Lucy's been absolutely exemplary prisoner, totally qualifies for going home. Raymond has a bone marrow condition. It's treatable, but it's blood cancer. And the 12 year old daughter, always been lovely girl, got on well at school, was recently suspended from school for getting into fights which we think arose from people bullying because of Lucy. Her mum's in prison. Her mum's in prison, you know, absolutely.

And she lost her younger brother. Well she was actually, Holly as I call her, she was a rainbow baby so she was conceived after Harry died but everywhere in the house are pictures of the baby they lost. So my concern now is that probation officers internally, well just before we say that Dan, so some of the prison officers said to Lucy, oh you're nothing like they told us you were gonna be. And she said, what did they say? I was gonna be like, they said, oh, you're a complete nightmare. You were gonna be violent, difficult to deal with.

This is never in her life. It's like me going in there, never in her life. So it was all prepared that this is a nightmare prisoner. She'd been treated like Myra Hindley, absolutely ludicrous. So one of the probation officers internally and an external one said there's no reason to keep this woman in custody, in fact she shouldn't be in jail at all. And the probation officer seems to have got into an argument with the governor or deputy governor of Peterborough jail and the governor, I think it was the deputy governor, said,

yes, but you know, it's about public perception. If we let her out, what's the public perception? So again, we see a media interest. Now, these are not reasons to keep. There's no reason I consulted the prisons expert Ian Aitchison, he said there is no reason there's no reason, I consulted the prison's expert Ian Aitcherson, he said there is no reason, there's no clause that says media interest, you know, they let out the killers of Jamie Bolger, you know, I mean, so there's Lucy, basically a political prisoner, being denied leave with her family that she that she deserves. Why this case I think is so shocking is because it obviously brings together these two issues that we've been discussing on board on this ship, on the Markstein cruise, but also JD Vance is discussing with Keir Starmer both in the Oval Office and then the Munich Security Conference. conference, a shocking retraction of free speech in Britain, combined with this concept

of two-tier justice, which we know now exists. If you are a straight white person, you are far more likely to be treated badly in the British justice system. If you're part of the quote unquote bar right, as we now are, well, you're screwed. And they are really going to come for you. And so what I want to get to is your role in this story now, because you know I understand how the mainstream media operates. I have been so disgusted to watch the mainstream media since the election of Keir Starmer.

I've seen it with my former employers at GB News who very often won't touch stories like this because they're worried about losing access to the Prime Minister, worried about Labour cracking down on regulation through the off-communists. So very often they put a story like this into what I call the too hard basket. Let's just not talk about it. We're not going to talk about Tom Robinson. We're not going to talk about Julie Sweeney. We're not going to talk about Lucy Connolly. We're just going to pretend as if this case isn't going on. I think that's how the whole mainstream media treated Lucy Connolly. And what we needed and what I knew that we needed was a brave journalist who was

prepared to put their neck on the line. That's never easy. You've already had your own headline Bradley visit from the police earlier in the year. So it would have been so easy for you to say, look, I just I just can't touch this one. Yeah. I'm already being accused of being a racist. I just can't touch this. No one else is touching this. I'm just not going to go there. So why did you decide to do so? And how difficult was it for you to get a story like this in the mainstream media, because obviously

what this one story has done and why I so knew that Ray and Lucy needed to speak to you was it's totally changed perception. All of a sudden this one story, one feature by Alison Pearson has empowered the political class in Britain to be brave. So we see Liz Truss, Sohalla Bravaman, really strong names as well as lots of other commentators say actually we can talk about this now. But if it wasn't for your piece, no one would be talking about Lucy Connolly. Pete. No one would be talking about Lucy Connolly. Yeah, I think obviously I saw Ray, your interview with Ray, and that moved me. As you discussed with him, again, such a lovely guy, if you want anything fixing, you'd get Ray Rand, wouldn't you Ray, take your

sink apart. Just a good ordinary British flow. Good, the absolute backbone of Britain. And I mean, he's a Conservative councillor, but as you said to me, he doesn't really mind about the politics, he just, that's what he does. He's very well loved in the ward. And he had said, Lucy is a good person. She's not a racist.

So for standing up, as you pointed out, standing up for his wife, he was then threatened by Labour councillors. Oh yeah, big law fair against him. Lose your seat. He was absolutely, you know, it's a bleak moment in his life. His wife's just put in jail and then they're coming after the job, which he does exceptionally well and diligently.

So I think I was moved by their plight and then the more I found out about this, obviously what kind of person Lucy was. Look, there are two issues here, Dan. There's the free speech issue, which it shouldn't be necessary to say she's not a racist. But in the piece, I bent over backwards to point out, A, that she was horrified by what she'd written. Her mother, who's a really good person,

actually a very left-wing person, said, I was ashamed of her, but then I rapidly realised that she was being set up. And she didn't agree with the two. Well, actually, what's very nice, which I didn't put in the piece was Lucy's got two sisters and the younger sister who's a bit more left-wing than Lucy said, oh, you know, she's, she's a bit of a dick, but she doesn't deserve to be in jail. Now that I think that would be what most people's and I personally think that she could have had community service, you know, she could have gotten, you know, Ray thought she just ended up coming to paint railings with him because he supervises the community service. So I very definitely pitched, I wrote the piece in such a way that I obviously

wasn't defending what she'd said. It was very important for Telegraph readers to know that what was said was not nice, it was horrible. As I said to you, I don't think it was racist. I don't think Lucy is racist. And then the Telegraph, I think, trusts me a lot and I said I want to do this big piece on her and it was a long piece and it needed to be a long piece really because it was forensic it was going saying right they say this but what about this what about this it was actually I was setting out to nail every preconception they put out about her I wanted to say that's not who she is. How many words? Over 6,000 words. Which is very long for a newspaper feature in 2025.

Yes it is and then of course it was it's got had on X, it's had more than 50 million impressions. Elon Musk commented, and as we know, we are to some weird extent now dependent on our friends overseas commenting on the, you know, the point out the madness, which is what Elon Musk did with the grooming gangs and which he's now wading with Lucy. Does anyone say to you, oh, Alison, I'm just just not sure. Are you sure you really want to go there? No, but you know, I've been doing this a long time and I tend to, you know, I know, look, I know, I was referred to myself as a self-cleaning oven. I don't need, you know, I do what I do. And I was very mindful and I was grateful to our editor and I said, I know it's

controversial, but I know our readers, when they hear the truce, will be outraged about what's happened to Lucy and they will identify her as a decent, normal British person and it's not right that in our country, in fact, it's quite surreal. Every day now since I've met Ray, sometimes I wake up and I think, Lucy's in jail. Lucy's in jail. Still. How can that be possible?

How can that be possible? And I know she has a meeting with the governor tomorrow, I believe it is, and we'll see. I think what journalism can do is we can shine a spotlight on injustice and we can cause embarrassment. We can make people look slightly over their shoulder because they can't get away with just continuing to deny her leave now. Because if they deny her leave again, I will know. Look, there was some talk of possible sex, repercussions. If they do anything to her, because of my piece, I'm going to go mad, right? I don't know what I'm going to do, but I'm going to go mad, right?

Because I was highlighting what's been done to her. I was extremely careful with that piece. We had several lawyers check it. Lucy has an appeal, the Court of Appeal, on the 15th of May. So it was important that that was... It was important that nothing, I would have probably written a different, slightly different piece if that hadn't been a constraint, but I wanted to write nothing that could jeopardise her. The prison does now know that she didn't actually speak to me directly. Ray had her on speakerphone.

So I was able to listen and give questions via her husband. But yeah. So there was a way to do it safely, because of course it can be difficult if you as a journalist speak to someone in prison. But first, you know I never recommend anything unless I truly believe in it. And today I've got something game changing for you.

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asking the Prime Minister about the case of Lucy Connolly. So often with this particular government I see the total change in focus from the people who are covering them. You know what it was like with Boris and Liz Trust. The tiniest controversy would be hammered day in, day out. Piece of cake. Yeah, absolutely. Whereas there does seem to be some sort of working in lockstep between the Westminster gatekeepers and this government. I mean, it took weeks, for example,

for Rachel from accounts to even be questioned about why she had lied about her own LinkedIn profile and then it was only one time. So how disappointed are you to see other mainstream journalists I would say totally ignore a story which is so clearly in the national interest? I think since Covid and the behavior of our trade during lockdown, to be honest nothing surprises me. You've lost faith. I would watch those number 10 press briefings during and I would wait for a journalist to ask a question, I think, ask a question, just say do we need to look, do we need to close the schools, Prime Minister? Nothing, Dan. So there was so little then. So I have had my faith very badly

knocked in it. But I would say to you, I think that readers and subscribers, I think, are grateful when you, like we try to do, we try and show a different perspective, we try and say, I think what happens is that during my own police case, I'm in touch with a senior police officer who's been helping me and A, he said, Alison, what you have to understand, he said, first of all, he said, most chief constables now would rather screw up a mass murder inquiry than be called racist. That they police these things called protected characteristics. So there's a hierarchy of protected characteristics according to skin color, religion, sexuality, okay. So if you're a white straight British person you're

right you know you're the bottom of the pile. All right, so they are policing with these other people in mind. So if you're Lucy and you're a white, you're abiding mum of a Tory councillor, you're not going to get any any favors. So I think that what happens is that they attach this, the demonization works really well because she became racist wife of Tory councillor. No one wants to, no decent person wants to be seen associated with defending someone who's said something horrible. So they put a kind of cordon around her, which means a lot of, you know, people in the BBC or whatever. I mean, when my own police case was happening, because I'd posted a tweet a year earlier when two police officers turned up on Remembrance Sunday and we talked about this on my doorstep and I was invited onto various media outlets and did the BBC Radio 4 PM program and the host at Evan Davis said to me

but what you tweeted wasn't very nice and I said I'm allowed to say things that aren't very nice or things that you don't think are very nice but which millions of people might think were fine. And I think what's happened now and it is very very prominent in Starmers, Stasi, Britain is people can think that's not a very nice thing to say but it's a free country, Dan. Totally. We're supposed to be able to say people don't agree. Increasingly, people are worried about the consequences of uncontrolled immigration. It's probably the number one issue in the country, but there's a class of person that doesn't want it

to be raised because it's, as we've seen the last couple of days, Labour's disgusting behaviour with abandoning, first of all, they said they're not going to have a national inquiry into the rape gangs. Appalling, because I think it's the worst scandal in British history myself. And then they're going to water down even the little local inquiries they were going to have into five towns when children were being raped in 45 towns. So we've seen them doing that. There are these vast gaping wounds and scandals which really upset millions of normal people. But their views, the sort of,

I guess, the kind of liberal elite, to, you know, just to use that term. You know, when I've written in the past about the mainly Pakistani origin grooming gangs. Oh, you know, that's racist No, what's racist is them saying to the girls, you know, we're gonna fuck your white government and we're gonna fuck your white girls That's racist, but it's the wrong kind of racism But you say the worst scandal in British history yet. We have a government the worst scandal in British history, yet we have a government, let's just be crude about it, that does not want to investigate because they are so terrified of losing the Muslim vote and being replaced by sectarian MPs. That is what this is about, isn't it? Yes, I think that's mainly what it's about. I think it's also that, I mean, we've had Sammy Woodhouse,

who's a notable survivor and campaigner, and labor counselors, police officers, social workers. These people have gone on to promotion. Police officers where a girl got into a police station, escaped from her rapist, and then the sergeant handed her back. You know, why are these people not in jail? Why is Lucy Connolly in jail and the police sergeant who handed the multiply raped child back outside to her rapist. Why is that person not in jail? So it's crazy, Dan, it's crazy.

So there's huge, Labour knows that Labour, you know, Labour local authorities are up to their necks in this scandal, right? And the minute, it's like a thread. The minute you start to pull that thread, it's going to go, it's going to be... So let's just pretend. Let's pretend. Let's just pretend. Let's just say we're giving resources to Bradford

so that Bradford Council can seek to investigate Bradford Council. And cover the whole thing up. I was saying to Sammy, I want people in jail. I want police in jail. I want the people who were in charge of making sure those children were protected. We need them to be in jail. But yes, coming back to your point, yes, there's absolute terror. Again, the senior police officer I spoke to said that, you know,

that taught at the College of Policing, Islam is a religion of peace, you know, everything is to do with the huge terror that those people could make life very, very difficult, right? So let's appease them. This is what this is about. No, we won't have an inquiry. And also we might lose some more seats because as we know, a number of very prominent Labour MPs were streeting, I think has a majority of about 500. I mean, at the moment, the polling shows him losing to a sectarian candidate. Yes.

Not by a few points, Alison, by 18 points. Yes. Yvette Cooper would be thrust out. So they face losing their seat to sectarian Muslim politicians. As a result, they want to cover up the biggest scandal in British history, which I believe is becoming one of the biggest scandals in British history in itself, because as we know so often the cover up. I'm not saying in this case it's worse than the crime, because I don't think anything can be worse than the crime, but it's pretty damn disgusting. It's absolutely extraordinary. If the suffering and horrific treatment of thousands of British children isn't the source of for investigation, then what have we become as a nation? I mean, disgusting really. I mean,

no wonder people in America can't. We had a session here about the grooming gangs with, you know, with two of the survivors. Sammy Woodhouse and Samantha Smith. Both brilliant women. Brilliant women. And you could see people from around the world in the audience. They can't believe it. They can't believe it. And one guy. This guy on the way out said to me, where were the Englishmen? Why were they not defending the girls? I thought, you know, it's a good question. Well, yes, but a lot of this comes back to the information control, doesn't it? Because how much did the Englishmen really know?

And that's where the mainstream media, the deep state and their collaboration, or some would say corruption, is such a big part of it. Because fear of being seen as racist. But just to come back to the police officer who, you know, he said to me, not just about my case, he said, Alison, what you've got to realise is they want you to be afraid. Yes. It's a deliberate tactic. And we are now. Yeah, well, no, we're not. and what you've got to realise is they want you to be afraid. Yes. It's a deliberate tactic.

And we are now. Yeah, well, no, we're not. I mean, we're not. We're just thinking, you know, I just think, you know, if they bring in the Islamophobia thing, I'm going to be in jail anyway. So you just, you're like J.K. Rowling now. I want you to send, sending in the smoked salmon sandwiches,

wouldn't I? I'm expecting a daily delivery of snacks to try and keep me going. But no, I think, I think, do you remember the Churchill quote about, you know, never appease the crocodile thinking that it, you know, because the crocodile might eat you last, but it's still going to eat you. So my prediction would be that these Muslim votes, their labor is desperately, shamelessly throwing. So it's votes for girls, isn't it? That's it. Votes for girls' bodies, let's think, let's call it for what it is. So if you think about it, white girls' bodies, predominantly, although they did originally go after the Sikh little girls and the Sikh men were out there with

baseball bats, they weren't having it. But I think that the irony is that they will have ruined, Labour will have shamed the Labour Party by this appeasement to get these votes. And I think that what we will see is more, this Muslim independence, certainly possibly by 2029, we could have an Islamic party. So they're not gonna hang on to those voters party. So they're not going to hang on to those voters anyway, because they're all going to

say so that the shameful selling out of Labour Party, which used to be for working class people, which is now prepared to sacrifice the children of working class people to hang on to a vote. And we're certainly not saying that all the people in this group agree with this behaviour. In fact, a point I always make is that there are Pakistani women and girls in our Pakistani origin, women and girls in our country, who are not getting the full freedoms that women and girls in our society deserve. They too are prisoners, right? Of that culture,

of a misogynist culture, so we import people from a misogynist backward region of Pakistan, we bring them into Western liberal society and we seriously expect that they're not going to prey on female children. We must be mad, Dan. Exactly and roll back some of those rights that should actually be God-given if you're born in the United Kingdom. Let's be honest, lots of these young Muslim girls are. Yet we have Iqbal Muhammad, who's one of these sectarian MPs in parliament, not just arguing for a runway on a Pakistani airport, but also suggesting that first cousin marriage should be legal in the United Kingdom. Can I just ask you about the royal politics of it at the moment, because we've seen this split on the right

between Reform UK and Nigel Farage and Rupert Lowe, who I'm sure you agree is a very brilliant man who has now raised 500,000 pounds for his own rape gang inquiry, which Nigel did promise. He promised that he would do it and then decided against going through with it. Now, Sammy Woodhouse is going to sit on the expert panel. So's Estimic.

I mean, this, I think, is going to be a big deal. What do you make of this seeming decision by Nigel to want to tack to the centre on these issues and also fall out so publicly with a guy who I think is quite clearly or was quite clearly Reform's best performing MP? It's a kind of worms, isn't it? Where I do agree with Nigel Farage is when he says it needs to be a statutory inquiry. Yes. All right. So I think-

So this will have no judicial powers. So you're going to have to- Can't compel people to give evidence. You're going to have to be able to have an inquiry, a national inquiry, which will have the judicial power- Yeah, but Stammer is saying no, no, no, no. No, but when Farage says if we don't have a statutory inquiry, it won't work. I mean, I wish the Rupert Low inquiry well,

because I think anything which keeps attention on it is good. My own feeling is that it's such a festering. It's like one of those things in one of the Indiana Jones films. It's where some of those things in one of the Indiana Jones films, it's where some pollulating mass of evil has been kept under a tombstone, you know, guarded by dodgy people, and then all it takes, it will explode, Dan. It will. You can only keep a lid on this for so long. You can only keep a lid on it for so long. I hope in my lifetime we will see some justice for those children and and the reckoning. But I think that I, I mean, with Lucy Connolly, one of the first people I reached out to for a

quote on Lucy was Richard Tice, who's the deputy leader of reform. Richard gave an absolutely no holds barred Lucy Connolly is a political prisoner, okay, very hard to get that quote from any of the other parties. So I'm wary, I'm more wary than you are. I want to see the right- United. United and coming back to power in 2029. So does that mean a deal between reform and the Conservatives?

Absolutely. I've got no doubt that that will happen. Absolutely no doubt. And whether Kemi Badenok is still the leader, which I think is is really up in the air at the moment. Have you been disappointed by her? I've been giving her more of a more of a chance. I think she's had a lackadaisical performance at prime minister's questions. Awful.

I think all the too casual. And I sometimes think where's your rage? You know, you've got this useless prime minister. Because we've got enough of it right? It's like, take some of ours. Here we go. We'll give you a, we'll send around a box of Dan's and Alison's rage. I feel that Starmer is a dreadful Prime Minister. I think that this business with the grooming gangs, I don't use the word evil lightly, but I think it is evil to appease people who have caused and who... Do you think he's evil? I think he's a moral black hole. I think he is an international human rights lawyer, socialist. And in fact, Ray Connolly, Lucy's husband said to me, he'd been in a cafe and there were lots of people

who voted Labour and they said they're never going to vote Labour again. And they hate Stammer. He said, why do you hate Stammer? And they said, because he's not for the British. And that sums up for me. You know, he's not for the British. When he went to Southport, that absolutely heinous act, all he was concerned about was preserving his multicultural narrative. He scuttled off to a mosque that afternoon. Why is he doing that? What's the message? And he has admitted that he prefers Davos to Westminster, so we have a globalist in charge. I would argue at a time when we desperately need the opposite, right, when we have Trump going forward with an America first policy, and yet we've got a guy who's fighting for a system which I think desperately needs to be dismantled, and is

about to be dismantled whether he likes it or not. And that's why all their, you know, smash the gangs is just rubbish because we know that looking at other countries around Europe, Poland's just saying it's banning asylum seekers, right? We can see countries that if you seriously want to close your borders and protect your people, for me the huge issue now with these hundreds of people a day coming ashore, as Lucy said, you know, we don't know where they're from, we don't know whether they've committed crimes in their country. Those people are a potential threat to our women and children, they just are. But that seems to be a price worth paying for Labour to keep its ideology going. Well, I just think back to the fact

that when Soella Bravaman was Home Secretary, the mainstream media and the political class cared so much more that she had described the invasion of our southern border as an invasion. I mean, it quite clearly is an invasion. Just look at the numbers. These are terrorists, rapists, and murderers who are entering our country on a daily basis. But the political class thought that it was much, much more important to police Suella

Bravmann's language than worry about the fact that we now effectively have an open border policy. I think it absolutely sums up everything that you were pointing to. Well, we saw recently actually one thing where Kemi Badernot, conservative leader, did well, because she was having an interview on the BBC with Laura Kunzberg, who said, you've said that you've said some cultures are more valid than others. And Kemi said, yeah, child marriage. So we actually- Are you going to argue for that Laura Kunsberg? Well, we have, but we have a media class which actually thinks it's distasteful

to suggest that some cultures are better than others. But we know quite clearly that they are because given the choice between the Israeli men, women and children slaughtered on the 7th of October and Hamas, the people they won't call terrorists, mass murderers, whatever. But you know, so we see where the liberal sympathies lie and they certainly don't lie with the Lucy Connelly's of this world, do you know? No, and it will lead to the destruction of the United

Kingdom. Oh, let's hope not. Well, if they continue down a particular path, and obviously that's why we have to fight. Yeah. In all of our own ways. Well, I'm... And that doesn't mean, by the way, fighting in a violent manner. I mean, you know me, I'm not a street protest type of guy. No, no, no, you are not. But...

Not unless you can be taken in a sedan chair with a Prosecco glass holder, then Dan would be out there rioting. But there are lots of ways to fight, right? And that's the point. And I think thank God for you, because you are fighting within the mainstream media. I tried, I failed. But what I can do is now try and build up this independent media ecosystem. People are looking increasingly. and creating people in the mainstream media who are prepared to fight, who are prepared to put their neck on the line. And I knew I knew the only person in the country who could change the discussion about Lucy Connolly was you.

And even I didn't necessarily think one piece would have that level of impact. So thank you so much for that. Keep fighting because we really need it. And actually, I think if there's one thing we've learned on this group that the whole world is watching in horror. And I think it was Naomi Wolf who said, what's happened to the British? And actually, we know there are so many people who are watching silently in horror and we have to give a voice. They are but it's not just internationally I

refuse to believe that the spirit of our people has been so cowed and destroyed that they when shown what's happening that they don't share our dismay and horror. I really think that the reaction to the Lucy piece, I knew that if I laid out what a patently decent person she was that people would say, oh my god, why in our society is that lady, that nice lady, kind lady, doing in jail and the fact that she's there to cite to as an example to silence others and I think we have to say that's why I'm as you know Dan I'm taking legal action against Essex police because we can't let we cannot let people turn up and I think we will remember that when the poor police officers who turned up at Alison's door. I've never had such an earful Alison. Well I think we will remember that when the poor police officers who turned up at Alison's door...

I've never had such an earful Alison! Well I think they were expecting to get a bit of overtime and pop round to Greg's for a steak slice and of course they had this and I just drew myself up to my full five feet four inches and I said do you do you know what we're commemorating today? I said hundreds of thousands of young men the age you are now sacrifice their lives so that we wouldn't live under tyranny, that we could have free speech. What would they think of you coming round to a journalist's house? Well, you know, a bit more. So individual police officers need to ask more questions too? Well, they need to be taught that free speech is a cornerstone of our democracy and that punishing social

media posts when they can't even arrest people for rape or for burglary or, you know, serious. Which goes 90% unsolved in Essex. Indeed, but most people, most of your viewers, subscribers, they want crime solved. Please, not non-crime hate, although of course yours wasn't. No. Yours was the step up, we're told. Well, you know, I always think the fact you have invited the non-crime criminal onto your distinguished show is very nice. But that senior police officer was telling you about who is fighting. There are good people in the force. They don't want this nonsense. In fact, many of them have written and said, can you please fight because you have to

get rid of this nonsense. Well, I said the same thing to you, didn't I? And actually, we're here on the Mark Stein cruise. I'm inspired by him as well. I mean, number one, he's brought all of these amazing people together, which is such an exciting thing. But look at his fight versus the off-communists. Yes. Actually, it's had a huge personal toll to himself. Yes. Well, it does. But sometimes we have to do it. We do. And it does take its toll. But the police officer said to me when he started, he said we used to police crimes that had actually happened, now we're supposed to be policing crimes that might happen. It's the, it's, it is George Orwell, it is mad, but we can, we can fight, and also we can laugh. We can, we can, we can fight and also we can laugh. I think they haven't made laughing

illelio. No, yet. Well, no, surely there will soon be a crime for finding Keir Starmer ridiculous. That's got to happen. Well, Alison Pearson, thank God we have you. Well, thank God for you, Danielle, as well. Alison Pearson, one of the best people in Britain, probably the only true freedom fighter left today in the mainstream media, and I really do mean that. What a brilliant woman.

And I thank her so much because it was her coming on board this outspoken campaign to raise awareness of Lucy Connolly being a political prisoner that took this story international. So Alison, I am so grateful for that. I hope you learned a political prisoner that took this story international. So Alison, I am so grateful for that. I hope you learned a lot with that interview. Thank you so much for watching. Don't worry though, we are back live tomorrow. I am super, super excited. So we've got no uncancelled after show today because of the special edition, but back live tomorrow. And so you can sign up right now on my sub stack to watch www.outspoken.live is the address. Can't wait to see you 5pm UK time, midday eastern, 9am Pacific if you want to be alerted

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