Dan Wootton Outspoken - BOMBSHELL POLL SHOWS NIGEL FARAGE COULD BE PM AFTER TORY DEAL AS IMMIGRATION FURY GROWS

Episode Date: October 8, 2024

A Nigel Farage-led coalition of the right would pulverise Slippery Starmer’s failing Labour government, which is less than 100 days into its failed reign, a bombshell new poll has revealed. It’s hardly any wonder with MI5 today warning of the return of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic State as terrorists continue to flood the Channel as part of the invasion of the UK via our southern border. So is it time for Reform UK to embrace mass deportations like Donald Trump in the US? Dan makes the case in his Digest and then his special guest, Connor Tomlinson of the Deprogrammed podcast, delivers his bold verdict. PLUS: Is Katie Hopkins correct that the right has to unite to win? AND: The Tory final three are revealed, but does Fishy Rishi’s replacement hold any relevance? To watch the exclusive Uncancelled After Show for 30-minutes extra content EVERY weekday, sign up at: https://outspoken.live/premium Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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notes below this video today the uk is now a two-tier nation where white working class folk will be banned at warped speed and put in jail for facebook posts while muslim men who beat up armed police officers on video to such an extent that they are hospitalized remain free without any charges being brought 11 weeks on. Well Nigel Farage isn't having any of that. As everyone knows there is a growing perception in the country that we're living in a state of two-tier policing and two-tier justice. And when you see convicted criminals being released, in many cases after only 40% of their sentences,

at already quite staggering re-offending rates, whilst people get very, very stiff prison sentences for saying beastly things on social media, millions of people are scratching their heads. So today, Reform UK announced bombshell plans to bring a private prosecution against the Manchester thugs in question if the CPS refuses to act. In my digest next, I'll outline how it's this sort of politics that has seen Reform UK overtake both Labour and the Conservatives in elections. And then my special guest, Francis Foster of the

Trigonometry podcast, weighs in during the uncancelled interview. Also on the show today, more Labour secrets, sleaze and scandal as Sue Gray is sacked. I'll get the truth, the MSN won't bring you with today's superstar panel, June Slater and Alani Dowding. Plus, hooms are useless and queers for Palestine spark outrage on the anniversary of the October 7th terror attack on Israel. Why was it important for you to come to the protest today? I came with queers for Palestine.

I'm a trans, non-binary person. I believe we're not free until everyone's free queer liberation queer people live in palestine it's pink washing going on and people are trying to tell queer people that they can't be part of what's going on in palestine and i just want to be here for queer palestinians and for every palestinians because what's happening is disgusting why was it go on then have a go get to lebanon then in the uncancelled after show the truth about megan michael's bizarre comeback over the weekend as yet another senior staff member quits you know i report what the royal rota won't and you can register to watch on our own website right now it's www.outspoken.life, a safe space, free of censorship. Your support at

just £5 a month not only gives you 30 minutes of extra content every single weekday, it allows me to continue making this independent daily news show. Let's go. So much of the reason that Britain is being completely torn apart at the seams is because of how the two-tier system amplifies crimes committed by the white working classes, like we saw during the so-called riots following the Southport massacre, while ignoring those perpetuated by ethnic or other minorities. Now, the MSM is particularly guilty of this two-tier reporting because they are so determined not to be seen as doing anything that goes against the myth that the UK is one big, happy, multicultural melting pot. So I have to say today, thank God for Reform UK, which led by Nigel Farage is bringing a political tsunami to Westminster. Finally putting attention on these stories that for so long the establishment has successfully buried,

while pointing out the sort of the fundamental unfairness, I guess, of our system. As everyone knows, there is a growing perception in the country that we're living in a state of two-tier policing and two-tier justice. And when you see convicted criminals being released in many cases after only 40% of their sentences, at already quite staggering reoffending rates whilst whilst people get very very stiff prison sentences for saying beastly things on social media millions of people are scratching their heads now that press conference watched by tens of thousands online even though the msm tried to ignore it was called to deal with the story of the brothers mu Fahir Ahmad and Ahmed Ahmad. Do you remember these two?

First they tried to create a George Floyd narrative claiming they were the victims of police brutality, until they were caught on CCTV beating up police officers at Manchester airport so badly that one female officer suffered a broken nose and had to be hospitalised. Because what happened here was a really, really violent exchange. It finished up, of course, with a female police officer having her nose broken. Pretty awful stuff. Absolutely. Completely awful stuff. But those two men have not been charged. And that is in stark contrast

to the treatment of folk after the riots, as Reforms Deputy Leader Richard Tice outlined. Just think about that. I mean, we've got the video evidence. What more evidence can there be? And yet we've seen actually a clear example where just two weeks after this incident, when regrettably other police officers were assaulted, they were arrested, charged, convicted and jailed in very, very short order, a matter of days. And that's what actually I think the public want, prompt, fair justice. And Richard then posed a very important question to Yvette Cooper.

Why, Home Secretary, is this situation different? Why are these assailants being treated differently to other assailants, other assaults on police officers? It's the same offence. There is no difference. The reform itself may have been very careful for obvious reasons to pose the question and not actually provide the answer at that press conference today. We all know why. We all know why. There was a war and there is a war on white working class men, largely men, but some women actually, in light of the riots. And the police reacted completely differently to the two Muslim brothers beating up cops in fear of some sort of race war breaking out. That doesn't matter. There cannot be two-tier policing, which is why Farage and all five Reform UK MPs

have pledged to do politics differently by coming up with a solution in this letter, actually, explained here by Tice. We're serving notice today in this letter to the Home Secretary that if the Crown Prosecution Service are not going to charge these assailants, dydw i ddim yn mynd i ddod i'r cyfrif, yna byddwn ni yn reform UK, byddwn yn lansio cyfraith cymdeithasol cymdeithasol yn erbyn y cyfrif hyn. Rydyn ni wedi cymryd cyngor leol, mae gen i dîm leol o gwell gwaith ar y cymryd, ac mae hynny'n yr hyn y byddwn ni'n ei wneud. Byddwn ni'n cyllid cyllid, ac rwy'n hyderus iawn y byddwn ni'n cyflawni cymaint o ddau what we will do and we will crowdfund it and I'm very confident that we will raise considerable sums in order to carry out such a prosecution and in order to provide the confidence that our

serving police officers up and down the country want in their duty. It is completely unacceptable for the CPS not to charge these people. Finally, finally some common sense actually coming out of Westminster. Now look, I'm not saying Reform UK is perfect. What political party is, I will still hold them to account. You know that. But to have an organisation in Parliament calling out this sort of two-tier justice and promising a private prosecution actually putting their money where their mouth is is so important. No longer will these issues remain on the fringes, especially with the growth of the independent media. And look, it does feel like political change is really coming.

I wanted to show you this extraordinary Blackpool Council result. Look at that. Reform UK, 38.8%. Labour, 28%. Conservative, 21.3%. Reform UK MP Lee Anderson posted after that result on X, a political tsunami is coming our way. Massive gain here from Labour. This is how the path to victory in 2029 starts. And the party's increasingly powerful chairman, Zia Yousaf, used that victory to outline just how bold reform's vision is. In the May County Council elections next year, we will deliver an astonishing result. The year after that, likewise in Wales and Scotland, and then in the next general election, we will have the kind of capability we had in Martin in Blackpool that delivered that walloping victory in 650 constituencies across the United Kingdom.

And we will elect Nigel Farage as our Prime Minister. That day is coming, and the Labour Party and the Tories should be very worried indeed. I think so too, because with Labour mired in sleaze, scandal and secrets after less than 100 days in power, Prime Minister Farage has never seemed more likely. And now it's time for today's uncancelled interview. And I'm very happy today to be joined by the comedian, social commentator, and one half of the superb Trigonometry podcast, Francis Foster, which has recently, by the way, congratulations Francis,

hit one million YouTube subscribers. I'm delighted to have been a guest on Trigonometry twice now. But Francis is also the host of the new podcast and YouTube channel, Francis Foster Sorts Your Life Out, which is absolutely brilliant as well. Francis, so great to have you here on Outspoken today. And we've obviously got a lot to discuss, but I wanted to get your reaction first to this big Nigel Farage Reform UK press conference today, because this is not the sort of thing we're used to in Westminster, is it, Francis? What's better than a well-marbled ribeye sizzling on the barbecue? A well-marbled ribeye sizzling on the barbecue that was carefully selected by an Instacart shopper and delivered to your door. A well-marbled ribeye you ordered without even leaving the kiddie pool. Whatever groceries your summer calls for, Instacart has you covered.

Download the Instacart app and enjoy $0 delivery fees on your first three orders. Service fees, exclusions, and terms apply. Instacart. Groceries that over-deliver. It's lovely to be on the show. I think what you actually see with instances like this is you see people being essentially betrayed by the political system. They were betrayed by the Conservative government for 14 years, who promised that they would govern right, but in fact what they actually did was implement left-of-centre

and left-wing policies. And then you have a Labour government who purport to are in favour of supporting the working classes and having the working classes' interests at hand. They don't. So what you now have is a huge swathe of the population who are unrepresented by all political parties, and quite naturally, they've gone to reform.

I find this, on the one hand, very exciting because it's showing that democracy works but on the other hand what it also shows for reform is they have a huge responsibility here there's a lot of people who are very angry feel disenfranchised feel they're not represented by the system quite rightly too but reform now has a responsibility to not let these voters down. And that is a major challenge, particularly when you're looking at a political party that didn't exist until a few years ago. Well, it is. And I'm interested in your view on this, because obviously you are a free speech champion. That's something that trigonometry has become known for. You will always put both sides of the argument. But there is this big debate going on amongst the right, and specifically in Reform UK,

about who Reform UK should embrace and who it should turf out. So we have had Katie Hopkins, for example, say that she's not welcome at Reform UK conference. Nigel has been very clear, Nigel Farage has been very clear, that he doesn't want any connection with Tommy Robinson, for example. So would you say that is Reform UK taking the responsible route, or is it quite anti-free speech in a way? Well, ultimately in life, Dan, you need to be pragmatic. So what Nigel is thinking of is he wants to make his party as mainstream as possible. And he's also aware that the moment

you have certain individuals turn up, that will be used as a stick to beat reform with again and again and again. And it actually shows the biasness of the media because reform have to have far higher standards than either Conservative, Labour or actually Lib Dem or the Green Party, who all have their fair share of whack jobs, let's be honest. And so what Nigel is doing is he's being very pragmatic and he's aware and he's aware that whatever he does, whatever slip up reform do will be magnified, will be screamed about, will be, you know, and the various epithets will be hurled at them. So I think he is just look. In modern politics, you have to play the game and what he's doing is playing the game in order to take reform mainstream.

Yeah. Do you know what? I tend to agree. I tend to agree. It's not perfect, though. And when I've had Reform UK people on, I like to try and say, just be careful on the whole offense archaeology thing right because i mean for instance there are things that i mean i i love your feed on x but there are things that you have said on x and that i say on x on a daily basis that would mean that according to their very stringent procedures now we probably wouldn't be

able to stand to be a reform uk mp and i have a real issue too with going back 10, 15, 20 years, because the type of language and the type of conversations that may have been considered acceptable then might not be considered acceptable now. Well, I completely agree. But also, and I use that word pragmatism again, Dan, you have to be pragmatic. This is 2024. You are trying to turn reform from a protest vote, which is what it was at the previous election, to a genuine political force. And by doing that, you need to be, like I said, pragmatic. You need to be ruthless and you need to say in the I said, pragmatic. You need to be ruthless. And you need to say, in the present environment, it is unfortunate, but we're going to have to do A, B, C, D, and E.

And I think that's a sign that the political party is maturing, if I'm being honest. It's very easy to embrace the, how can I put this, the people who are more radical, shall we say. But when it comes to winning elections, you have to understand that those people and things that they have said 5, 10, 15 years ago will be used against you. Context will be removed and that can be used to damage the party. What did you think, though, Francis Francis about the reaction from the establishment and the

mainstream media after the Southport massacre where we have seen people with previously completely perfect lives, good solid citizens who had worked hard paid all the taxes never been in trouble with the law attend a protest get into a bit of a scrape or in some cases francis literally post on facebook or x something that is considered inappropriate they do so in the heat of the moment and i'm not saying that some of the posts weren't offensive but i mean do we not have a right to be offensive sometimes being banged up in a matter of weeks when we are literally seeing perverts and violent criminals released early i mean did you think that did feel like an attack on the white working

classes to me if what it what it felt like is a prime minister and his team who were in full panic mode and they decided to shut every all of these protests down as quickly as possible and also the riot and because there were rioters, and then apply a very, very blunt instrument, which meant there were people, for instance, people who wrote, shall we say, unpleasant Facebook posts being put in prison. Now, I don't think anybody should be put in prison

for writing unpleasant Facebook posts. But when you have a Scottish government who in 1st of April 2024 bring in a hate speech bill, which criminalizes public performance, which criminalizes the jokes that you make on stage, what you're seeing, Dan, is a trend. If you take it and you start looking at it from, how can I put this, from a far more macro perspective, what you will see is a trend towards policing speech. It's a trend to criminalizing speech. And it's a trend to criminalize voices that could be dissenting.

Because what we know is if somebody is offensive in the other direction, then they won't be punished as hard. Take the woman, and by the way, I don't agree with her being arrested and charged, even though I think the term is racist. The woman with the placard which said coconut, comparing Rishi Sunak to a coconut. Do I think that is offensive? Yes, I do. Do I think it's racist? Yes, I do.

Do I think the woman is an idiot? Yes. Should she be in the legal system? Absolutely not. And we have strayed into this path where we now think that the words you use are equivalent to your actions and that therefore means that you can go to jail. And there were some stories that were absolutely ridiculous.

Like, I think it was in or where a sex offender was released. He literally it was literally a matter of hours before he reoffended again. And then the very next day he was back in jail. Now, who thought that that man should be on the streets of the UK. It beggars belief. It's absolutely ridiculous. So no, I think Keir made some very, very serious mistakes. Also, painting everybody on these marches as far right was also dangerous. And it's also factually incorrect

because there were people there who were far right. Of course, there was a very small element. There were also idiots who just wanted to have a tear up and saw it as an opportunity to throw rocks at the police. There were also kids who joined in because that's what kids do, because they don't think and they just act purely on impulse. And also as well, there were people there who were demonstrating so to tarnish each and every single one of those people as far right is very dangerous it's very alienating and actually we can now see what the general public think of care when you look at his approval ratings i was looking at a couple of them yesterday some of them were nearly at liz trust levels indeed indeed and uh that's a whole

other story which we will come to but i just want to first talk about what you make though of nigel farage and reform uk pledging to bring a private prosecution against the two thugs who attacked the police officers on video because i think why this case has seemed so egregious francis is it happened at almost an identical time as the riots and the coverage from the establishment from the mainstream media from the police itself could not have been more different. And what people forget is in those early days, before the full CCTV was released by the Manchester Evening News, and by the way, the police are now launching a leak inquiry about that. I mean, how bizarre is that? All of the narrative was that these police officers had been responsible for some sort of

George Floyd level attack. These thugs tried to claim that they were the victims. But here we are, 11 weeks later, they are still walking free, they have not been charged, and it does very much feel like there is two-tier policing going on. I mean, I'm convinced there is. But do you think it's sensible for reform uk to say actually there's something we can do about this start putting pressure on and and and even pledging a private prosecution which is unusual for a political party i mean i cannot remember any occasion where a political party has ever said that they will crowdfund to bring a

private prosecution against anyone. We're a new territory. It is new territory. I'm not sure if I actually do agree, Dan. I'm not sure if that is the role of a political party. I think the role of a political party is to put forward their political agenda and to represent their constituents. I think what I worry is that reform are going to allow themselves to be distracted by this, when actually what reform have is the golden opportunity. It is the perfect chance to become the opposition. And it is the perfect, therefore, the perfect chance to even win at the next general election.

And if they play their hand well, and if they are smart about it, they can do this. Because you look at the conservative government or the conservatives who are now in opposition, each and every single one of those people failed in government. They failed.

They had 14 years from 2010 to 2024 and they did nothing. They talked a good game, but they did nothing. So to me and to every single person that I speak to, the Conservatives are a busted flush. It's over for them.

It is absolutely over. And I see Robert Jenrick talk a good game, talk about immigration. And I think to myself, you had 14 years, mate. Why am I going to believe you now? You know, Kemi Badenoch saying, oh, you know, we talked right, but governed left. Well, everybody could see that.

Even my cat could see that. So why am I going to believe you? Is a more pertinent question. And you were in that cabinet. I mean, look, at least Jenrick ended up quitting. That's the one thing that I give him some credit for. Badenoch was there until the bitter end. And I think maybe you're right saying,

look, I quite like Reform UK going for these populist issues, if I'm honest. But I think you're right when you say there are bigger issues at play. And we've seen some astonishing statistics over the weekend. And look, again, we knew this. But when you actually see it in black and white, it's really disturbing. So, for example, I wanted to show you this tweet from Matt Goodwin, who posted, Britain has more illegal migrants than any other European nation, a new study has found, 745,000 in the UK, enough to fill a city the size of Leeds. I mean, you're right, aren't you, when you say there is enough material for Reform UK to deal with by sticking to the issues? Of course. Look, let's be honest about this. This is an open goal.

We do not have control of our borders. We cannot control illegal immigration. We have public services that are crumbling. We have a government that is not fit for purpose, deeply unpopular. The reality is it's not working. It is not working. The fact that reform are so popular shows that it's not working. The conservative voters, the ordinary conservative voter has literally nowhere to go. The working class in this country have literally nowhere to go. So all they have to do, all they have to do is use this time to build the infrastructure, build the party to the point where then the next generation, next general election comes along. They are ready. They are ready and they have everything needed

to go and convince the average bloke woman on the street to vote for them. And look, I understand why they're doing this. It's going to grab headlines. To me, that's what they should be focused on, the big picture. So it sounds like you very much do. This is a very important issue. Yeah, no, it is. But it sounds like you very much think, though, a prime minister Farage is not a pipe dream. No.

It's a potential reality. I think it's a potential reality. I really, really do. If they are able to capitalize, if they are able to create a party, which the, you know, not people, you know, on the right, not the Brexiteers, you know, not the, you know, the free market, Thatcherites, et cetera, et cetera. But the ordinary person who maybe isn't particularly engaged with politics but just wants services run properly, who sees their country and thinks to themselves,

what the hell is happening? If Nigel and the party can appeal to them, they're on to a winner because nobody else is. And I just think that doing these ideas like this, look, it's meat for the base. They're going to love it. Is that really going to win you the hearts and minds of people in Shrewsbury and places like that?

I'm not sure. You're obviously a part of this revolution, Francis, because as I mentioned in the introduction trigonometry has now hit 1 million subscribers on youtube that makes you a force in the independent media you were very early adopters uh you were doing this thing before it was considered at all the future of the media but there has been a dramatic sea change, hasn't there? And I actually link this to the rise of Reform UK and Farage because we know the mainstream media are out to destroy them, right? We know that, just like we know the mainstream media are out to lie to us about lockdowns, to overturn Brexit, you know, all of those stories that we have spoken about in the past.

But isn't the difference this time that actually it doesn't matter so much? Because today people tuned in to Reform UK's press conference on YouTube. They broadcast it themselves. Here we are analysing it on an independent media platform. Obviously, your interviews got a huge attention. I just wonder if you feel like the rise of the independent media comes at a perfect time for us. Look, I think the rise of the independent media

does come at a perfect time, but I think there are many people in our space who overstate the collapse of the mainstream media. Look, I think they are collapsing. That is undeniable. They're hemorrhaging viewers and listeners, but they still have some degree of power. People still listen and read and consume their content. And they still have that, particularly with older generations. Older generations, like my father's generation in his 70s still believes what he reads in the paper.

He's an educated man and he's an intelligent man. But he still consumes our old media and they still have power. Do they have as much power as they used to? No, that is quite evident. Is their power declining? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean they are powerless. They still have power,

they still have influence, and they still matter. Which is why when they attack and misrepresent politicians and misrepresent Farage, it still has an impact. Not as much as it used to, but it still does. I completely agree. And actually, that's why I still talk about the mainstream media a lot. I analyze what they do. I try and hold them to account because to just pretend that they are not hugely influential and actually in a lot of ways very nefarious would be naive. And in fact, that leads me to something that you posted earlier in the week, Francis on X, where you said, I don't care about Keir Starmer's private life. He could spend every evening bumming badges on Bodmin Moor and it wouldn't bother me.

I care about his policies. They're the only important thing that's important and i want to talk to you about this because over the past couple of weeks i have been talking to some degree about starmer's private life and it's been because i think it's really outrageous that everyone in Westminster is discussing Starmer's big secret and they don't believe that they should report that to their viewers and listeners that's the first thing I find that really intellectually dishonest and then the second thing and this would be my argument and I'm interested to hear your response is that if you look at everything that has happened since Labour came into power, have they not proven that they are hypocrites on so many levels? So Starmer has made his private life in the public interest when he started taking donations from a Labour pair to pay for his wife's expensive dresses and when he decided to throw his

own son under the bus his own teenage son by saying oh the reason i needed that really expensive penthouse in covent garden is because my son had to study for his gcses and also you know this picture here when he lied to all of us during lockdown by pretending that he was at home, by putting up those pictures of his family behind him. So part of me totally understands what you're saying. Of course, it is policies that matter. But the reason that Starmer has thrust his own private life into the public consciousness is because of how he decided to take money for his family. Look, so with the money thing,

I firmly believe that should be in the public interest. I think that when it comes, because I was seeing things about him having, you know, people speculating about his private life. Yes. In terms of affairs that, I don't want anyone to get in trouble, affairs that people insinuating various things about him and his wife, et cetera, et cetera.

I don't care about that. That I do not care about. That is of no interest to me whatsoever. I think when it comes to payments and things that could be dodgy, they should be in the public interest. They are in the public interest. They should be talked about and dissected because that is very, very important. However, what he does in a bed with whom, I don't care.

It's not 1968. I really don't care. It doesn't interest me in the slightest i don't care if he's with i don't care if he's faithful to his wife i don't care if he's with a man i don't care if he's married a trans woman and now they're gonna have whatever it doesn't it doesn't bother me in the slightest i i find that utterly irrelevant so we don't have a right to know for example if the prime minister has children with with someone else it doesn't but do you know what it's come to the point now dan i'm just glad they're not a pedophile that's it that's where I am now I'm like oh it was with an adult

he didn't charge a few pedophiles though right he didn't charge a few pedophiles yeah I hear what you're saying because a lot of this I have had some of this discussion obviously I'm under all sorts of legal threats as you can imagine but I had

Paul Staines on who's the man behind Guido Forks and he explained a little bit about what is going on behind the scenes and what newspapers are working on and why some of this hasn't been reported this is what he had to say or are you

under pressure legally not to reveal more? Well you know we've both been in the game a long time. You know the rules. If you can't stand it up completely, you can't run the story. So we have a name, as do the Mail and the Telegraph. We have a birth certificate, and people have been looking into it. Journalists have contacted the family. So it's in play, and a lot of people do know it.

And I guess the argument, Francis, is that he's the prime minister, and if he is lying to his wife, could he be lying to the public? Now, I understand what you're saying. It shouldn't matter. But for me, so much of this story is about hypocrisy. Because every single Labour politician and virtually every member of the mainstream media never talked about Boris Johnson's right to privacy when they were making claim after claim about how many children he had fathered or about what was going on in his relationship with his then girlfriend, now wife, Carrie Simmons at the time. Remember, they were having arguments and there was talk the police had been

called. Now, that's why it's just so difficult for me to just move on and say nothing to see here because of the way that Boris Johnson was relentlessly hounded by the same people who now say, oh, it's none of our business what Starmer's up to look i never thought i'd say these words dan but i think we need to be a little bit more like the french you know people people's private lives are their private lives and i think they're in i i thought this when people were maybe it's because i'm half south american and you know and we're we're in venezuela where my mom's from you know if you have if you're a politician and you have an affair and you cheat on your wife, that is seen as a sign of a good, healthy man.

And yes, of course, in France, you know, Macron with his old teacher who Candace Owens believes is a trans woman i mean yeah look i i yes i agree in principle this is the thing but there cannot be constant double standards there so that also requires the mainstream media and labor to say we're not going to question anymore the private lives of conservative politicians and i just think they won't do that and of course the irony for me francis after everything that i went through over the past year is that i very much see how people like james o'brien and carol vorderman and the guardian and people like that will weaponize even completely untrue suggestions about someone's private life if it suits their political cause, which is why I think it's

really ironic for them to now say lay off Keir Starmer. But look, I hear what you're saying. I do understand the point, but I think some of the hypocrisy has to be called out. And in this case, I actually think Starmer is the one who has made this an issue. Now, one thing that you were really good at on trigonometry is that you bring both sides of the argument. And you're prepared to have discussions with people who you very very strongly disagree with but it's interesting isn't it because quite often there's this criticism that you platform people you know there's this there's this term oh you'll platform people you've given a voice to this person so i'm really interested to know because i'm obviously in this world now where i don't have to do balance for

the sake of it and i won't do balance for the sake of it. And I won't do balance for the sake of it. I'm no longer regulated by the off communists like I was on GB News. So how do you make those decisions, Francis, about who you decide to interview? And are there some people that you won't? Look, when we decide who to interview, first and foremost, we think, is this an interesting person? Is this somebody who has got something new to add to the conversation? Is there someone of prominence that we want to talk to? We've never, for instance, interviewed Andrew Tate because I don't think, and neither does Constantine, that Andrew Tate is an honest person.

Andrew Tate is a character. He's performing a role. He is saying outrageous and provocative things in order to garner engagement and views. And so that's why he uses slurs and all the rest of it. And he says things that you go, Andrew, I know you're intelligent. I know that you're an intelligent person, but I know this is just farming for views and for lights, etc. So that's why we don't get someone like Andrew on. So number one, it has to be someone that we think is honest and is good faith.

Somebody that we find interesting and somebody that we think that we will have a good faith, honest discussion with, even though we may disagree with them. And I think that that is the root of all good conversation. I think, you know, when people go, oh, I don't have any friends who I disagree with, I always think, well, then you're a child. If you can't sit down with another person and be like, no, I don't agree with that. And I don't agree with Zed. If you can't sit down with another person and be like, nah, I don't agree with that. And I don't agree with Zed. And I don't agree with that. You've got a point here, but maybe not here. And have your points of view challenged as well. And you go, you know what? I'll hold my hands up here. You're right on this one. Then you're a child.

And what you're going to do is you're going to think like a primary school kid, because you will never have your ideas challenged and you will never learn how to defend your ideas and actually we all think stupid things so yes what we try and do is with that criteria and then we bring people on and we have a good faith discussion and sometimes it gets a bit heated and sometimes you know know, things happen. But that is how we used to do it as adults. And that's how we, you know, I get messages all the time. Oh, this is great. You put this person on the same person three weeks later.

How can you possibly have this person on and let them speak? Oh, well, the other day, mate, you were praising me for not interrupting the other guest who you agreed with. What do you want? Yes, I do understand that. praising me for not interrupting the other guests who you agreed with what do you want yes yes i do understand that i guess for me what i am loving though is not having to do what i would describe as fake balance yeah which is like oh just because i'm having a really sensible conversation here with Francis, you know, about the Reform Party, I'm going to have to pull on some crazy woke lefty who's going to say that Nigel Farage is so racist and has to be locked up, which is what I literally had to do on GB News. on gb news and i think actually one of the biggest threats that society faces and i'm sure this is something that you are acutely aware of uh given what you do is this growing desire and it is by

the left to want to control the internet i mean hillary quinn hillary clinton has quite literally over the last week spoken about worried about losing control. And I think that's one of the things that we all have to fight back against now, isn't it? It is censorship. It is going to become one of the issues of our time, especially, by the way, if Kamala Harris is elected president. Well, let me push back on what you said a little bit there, Dan. I don't think it's just the left, unfortunately. I also think it's the right. When you saw, for example, the horrific murder of Sir David Amess, and you had people on the right saying that we needed an online hate speech bill

because the reason this poor man was murdered was because of online hate. And you're like, no, it wasn't. It was because of Islamic fundamentalism. And you had people on the right saying that you had when, uh, with Russell brand, when they were saying there was, there was one Tory MP who said she wanted, she was appealing to YouTube and Rumble to have Russell Brand's channel demonetized. Now, whatever you think of Russell and whatever your suspicions of him might be, he hasn't been convicted of anything.

There have been accusations, very serious accusations and very serious allegations. Carolyn Dynage was her name that's who she was and she was she was a conservative mp so whilst i know what you're saying that it's you know you go about the left i'm really sorry dan it's a lot of people on the right as well no very good point very very good point what caroline dynage did actually was chilling and of course if you specifically looked over the covid years actually here in the uk there were just as many conservative politicians who accepted it so yeah i guess free speech is an issue for both sides of the argument which is why we need

brilliant podcasts like yours and tell me about your new one which is is just you, right? If you want Francis Foster to sort you out. So what it is, it's a comedy podcast. It's me and every once in a while, I bring on a comedian mate of mine. And it's a load of fun. We get people from our audience to email in and they asked us to sort their life out for them, problems that they may have.

And what we do is we chat about it and we have a bit of a laugh and a back and forth. And it's a lovely shot of light and warmth and humor in a world that maybe doesn't have a lot of that at the moment. No, we need it. I am subscribed. I'm absolutely loving it. And it is such a pleasure to have you on Outspoken today, Francis Foster.

Well, it's been a pleasure, Dan. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Hope to see you soon. Yeah. Cheers. Thanks. Bye.

Now, breaking right now, two-tier Keir's UK Labour government is mired in permanent crisis. It's an omni-shambles as it prepares to mark 100 days of power with no obvious achievements. So yesterday, Starmer's cesspit of sleaze forced out Sue Gray, the Boris Johnson witch hunter-in-chief, after just three months as chief of staff. So there's no doubt now that this is a government of secrets and shady deals that is already unraveling and already out of control. It sparks many political observers to speak the previously unthinkable for good reason. There is no way that slippery star must

seize out his first term. Of course, this has been utterly humiliating for those in the MSM and part of the establishment who predicted we were about to enter some sort of period of utopia under Labour. How about the delusional Ramona Anasubri who posted on X, is it just me? But suddenly everything feels normal. No more psychodramas and scandals like the growing ups are back in government and people can get on with their lives watching politics out the corner of their eyes, safe. And then there was the channel 4 news biased frontman christian guru murthy who predicted a government with the likelihood of instability happening any time soon it's a complete fantasy so he just gave up and as the left-wing anti-woke union official

paul embry wrote in response to krishnam this weekend it's still hard to believe that in the aftermath of the election supposedly serious journalists peddled the absurd notion that the normal trials tribulations and squabbles that bedevil all governments were at an end no one comes out of this mess worse though than the ultimate champagne socialist Angela Rayner, who was just last week insisting this. Will Sue Gray still be in her job by Christmas? I think so, absolutely. Sue Gray's been doing an incredible job. Incredible job. Well, she's out of a job now. She's been forced out. But of course, it seems like Angela Rayner is more bothered at the moment

about living a champagne lifestyle, a multi-millionaire's lifestyle. Look at this revelation in the Times today. Proud socialist Angela Rayner bought boyfriend a suit from the royal tailor. The deputy PM paid for an expensive suit for the MP Sam Tarry. Her lover yet accepted gifted work clothes for herself worth thousands of pounds. And that's after she was humiliated for taking over £800 in hospitality on her little night out in Ibiza. I take my job really seriously and what I do and I work

and I'm always in Parliament and I'm always doing what needs to be done and I'll continue to do that. But I also believe as a former trade unionist... What time of the night was this? I mean, how did you keep... I would have been in bed by that time. Oh, Fisher's a really, really great guy. I've known Fisher for a number of years and I just think, you know you've you've got to have downtime is what everybody has to have downtime but I do take my job really seriously and I like to talk about what I'm doing to help other people I'm not criticizing you I just wondered what you thought about the the opera at times people like to look at that element or you know yes I, I'm working class. I like dance. I like dance music. I got criticised for going to the opera. Okay.

So we've got £850 nights out. £3,000 suits. Yet Angela Rayner still presented by the mainstream media as some sort of working class hero. Or to respond now to labours, secrets, sleaze and sex scandals, let me bring in today's superstar panel. And I am absolutely to have with me the legendary June Slater, YouTube phenomenon, and she's done it all, but now a big time commentator on social media lalani dowling great to have you both here so thanks for having us june slater can you believe

the fact that in a hundred days this administration has gone to pot well it's a bit like watching the political version of The Office, isn't it? When you think David Frank can't get any worse, he does. And dead behind the ice, Starmer tries to address the public as though he's sympathising. My 88-year-old mother-in-law came to stay this weekend and she was talking about politics. She doesn't normally talking about politics. She doesn't normally talk about politics. And I would say she's not politically savvy.

You know, she watches the telly. She's no internet. And she just turned around and she said, have you ever seen anybody more wooden, this is how she talks, in your life? What a wooden man. He's dead behind the eyes, and he's leading this country. And she's absolutely right, isn't she?

Yeah. So you don't need to be politically savvy to recognize you've got zombie man ruling the roost. And just so much hypocrisy. Leilani contrasted our future king to Keir Starmer saying Prince William in the stands supporting his beloved Aston Villa at a Champions League game with other supporters and we're meant to believe that Starmer needs a £10,000 hospitality suite for security reasons watching a Prem game not just lies embarrassing lies starmer is repulsive truck month is on at chevrolet get zero percent financing for up to 72 months on a 2025 silverado 1500 custom blackout or custom trail boss with custom trail bosses available class exclusive duramax three liter diesel engine and z71 off-road package with a 2-inch factory suspension lift,

you get both on-road confidence and off-road capability. Dirt road ahead? Let's go! Truck month is awesome! Ask your Chevrolet dealer for details. Oh, he's absolutely vile. I can't stand the guy. But maybe he's just that hated that he needs more security than our future king. It's nonsense. It's absolutely ridiculous. And you know what it is, Dan? It's the hypocrisy. Because they went on talking about what, you know, the conservatives were given and they try and pitch themselves as the people for the working class. You know, and then you've got Angela Rayner saying, you know, I love a night out like, you know for the working class you know and then you've got Angela Rainer saying you know I love a lot night out like you know the working class people no you've got like VIP experiences it's not just your normal night out it's behind the DJ booth it's 800 900 quid

experience that you're having it is not like everyday normal working class going out to the pub the whole thing's just nonsense and it's the hypocrisy that gets me the most with it all um and you know the clothing the wife's clothing who needs all of that you know they're supposed to look at corbin look at how he dressed he was so shabby i'll take boris's horrific uh sense of fashion over getting you, these clothes being bought, 70, what was it? 70 grand, 50 grand, 30 grand, whatever it was, you know, it's just, it's insane. And it just shows there's no cohesion in the party either. Cause then you've got like Zara Sultana saying how awful it is that he's taking all these gifts from over the place. And you've got people like Rosie Duffield quitting. So there's no cohesion within the party.'s a mess it's an absolute mess now one of the big discussions that i have been having

over the past week is the mainstream media silence over slippery starmer's personal life now usually i would agree that this is of no interest to anyone apart from the fact that we all know that the mainstream media relentlessly pursued boris johnson over his personal life over how many children he had over the details of his marriage i mean nothing was too small or too sordid to create a drumbeat for boris to be driven from office which of course eventually he was now with starmer there have been rumors circulating for a very very long time but the discussion only reached fever pitch in westminster once actually he had put his personal life out there to such a degree by accepting tens of thousands of pounds for his wife's clothing and then blaming his son sitting as gcses as the reason why he needed to stay in

this posh covent garden penthouse so june slater does it matter what kia starmer's got up to does the shape of his family matter does it matter if he has any children does it matter if he's lying to his wife or are we just all hypocrites that we only care about bringing down someone based on personal revelations if it's someone on the other side of politics well it shouldn't matter about his personal life but when you're setting yourself up to be a figure of respectability to run a country then it begins to matter a little bit doesn't it we all make mistakes we've all been on the wrong end of a bad marriage or you know something else a problem with children this is normal life for normal people but Keir Starmer is presenting something he's doing a Hugh Edwards

he's presenting to the world something he obviously isn't there's something going on either he's been living at this apartment separated from his wife there's been some issues the thing is the country wouldn't balk at honesty the country wouldn't probably care if he was having matrimonial difficulties the only thing i would care about if that's going on in your personal life how do you concentrate on the job the biggest job in the country that's the issue and this as you said the hypocrisy of this party every single time he opens his mouth he backtracks on a former promise and this fake concern he puts forward for pensioners and for people who are working class apparently if you've got six thousand pounds in savings in

no longer views you as working class um it just seems to me it's the party that wants everyone to level down not level up it's the party to become poor. Indeed. And look, of course, that is what matters. But Leilani, is there an argument that he is potentially conflicted too? Because, of course, lots of discussions about what he might be trying to do with the mainstream media in order to stop them from reporting on what they know about his personal life. Well, exactly. He portrays himself as this very honest and squeaky clean character, when in fact, if the rumours are true, he's actually very dishonest. And he's trying to, again, silence and stop the media from reporting on news

that apparently is public knowledge around Westminster. So again, he's manipulating what comes out when, as you've said, and as June said, we always hear about Boris's private life and what the media think of Carrie and her possible influence on things. So, you know, he's putting his wife out there with front pages of him kissing her and all the rest of it. So let's find out what the truth is. And like he said, people probably wouldn't have cared so much if it had just come out and he'd been very honest about it. But it's the hiding it, it's the hiding it and it's the portraying yourself as this nice, clean man who's just so respectable and so honourable. And that's, you know, again, it's the hypocrisy of it all indeed it is okay then i need daddy june's later stand by one moment because in a minute i'm going to show you why queers for palestine hooms are useless and yasmin alibaya

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But now back to the show. And there's been a whole load of people in the UK who have shown their true colors by refusing to acknowledge in any way the one year anniversary of October the 7th. Here are my three worst offenders. First, Queer for Palestine. Why was it important for you to come to the protest today? I came with Queers for Palestine. I'm a trans non-binary person. I believe we're not free until everyone's free. Queer liberation. Queer people live in Palestine. It's pinkwashing going on and people are trying to tell queer people that they can't be part of

what's going on in Palestine and I just want to be here for queer Palestinians and for every Palestinians because what's happening is disgusting. Second, the former Scottish First Minister, Humza Useless. In terms of being pro-Palestinian, is there a risk that you're being too seen as too anti-Israeli, maybe even anti-Semitic? So I just utterly reject that charge. And look, it cheapens anti-Semitism

by saying that criticism of the Netanyahu government is somehow anti-Semitism. When there's Israelis who disagree in March in Tel Aviv and there are hundreds of thousands against the massacre that's taking place amongst Gaza. The attacks in Lebanon are being condemned by the United Nations. You're not trying to tell me that the United Nations is anti-Semitic. Of course it's not. So let's not cheapen anti-Semitism which is real, which affects Jews up and down the country, to which I have railed against,

stood against all of my life. What we're seeing here is people who are not pro, by the way, Arab, pro-Muslim or pro-Palestinian, they're pro-humanity. And it's international law that we demand that people are held to account. And that prompted Zach Goldsmith to post a scathing message on X saying, this march is timed around the anniversary of the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. Whom's are useless is truly revolting. And then what about this from Yasmin Alibaya Brown? All right. A, you've insulted my faith. The danger today is not Muslims. It's Israel. It's America.

June Slater-Lalani, darling, back with me. Ah, June Slater-Lalani darling back with me. June, your reaction? I think Yasmin has been insulted since the day she was born, not as much as the midwife was, obviously. Unfortunately, Yasmin's never been satisfied with this country. I don't know why she doesn't just leave. She's had a real good run out with this country. I don't know why she doesn't just leave. She's had a real good run out of this country. She's been revered by her peers

in the journalist section of the world. And she's had a great time living here. And she complains about white men. She complains about every other religion. I can't take her sincerely because she's just, she's the sort of person, whatever religion she was, she would put you off that faith

because she never stops moaning. She's always got something to say that's negative and negative about this country. She's won awards. She's been, she's invited on various broadcasts. She's having a real good time of her life, far better than where she came from, and she still isn't satisfied. And she's insulted.

Are we bothered? I don't care if you're insulted, Yasmin. You insult me by making out that every single person with a white face in this country is racist, because we're not. Otherwise, people would know it by now and they'd stop trying to get here. Leilani Dowdydy in your view brightly colored haired thing i'd uh happily buy a ticket to go to palestine if it

wants to go and uh see how they deal with whatever the pronouns are or the trans thing or the non bi whatever the nonsense it's come up with for the day, send it to Israel, Palestine. Go and see how that works out. Because actually, if she was in, it was in Israel, she'd be, it would be respected a little bit more than if it was over in Palestine to send it over there. And as far as Homs are are useless goes i didn't hear him once say release the hostages release the hostages it's been a year um didn't say it did he so to me to go out and march on the anniversary is so disrespectful um what happened a year ago was the most horrific thing, as I said, since the Holocaust. And for him to just play it down as he marches through one of these pro-Hamas marches, I mean,

it's disgusting. It is indeed disgusting. Well, look, stand by June Slater, Leilani Dowdy, because my superstar panel, here's the good good news they're sticking around for today's uncancelled after show and we've got loads coming up the truth about megan markle's bizarre comeback over the weekend as yet another senior staff member wits you know i report what the royal roto won't and why is slippery starmer following esther ranson's directive after what she told me about the unvaccinated so you can join the after show by registering right now at www.outspoken.live that is our membership section where you get half an hour of extra content every single day all you have to do is sign up there uh some other

big news outspoken now available as a podcast so subscribe on spotify apple podcast i've put the links in the show notes wherever you get get your podcasts, though, we should be available. And remember to be back with us live 5 p.m. UK time tomorrow, midday Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Most importantly, I promise to keep fighting for you, but I'll see you on the after show, I hope, in just one moment with much more from Leilani Dowding and June Slater.