Dan Wootton Outspoken - BREAKING! NIGEL FARAGE, ZIA YUSUF & LEE ANDERSON SUED BY RUPERT LOWE AS REFORM UK WAR TURNS TOXIC

Episode Date: April 18, 2025

VERSO - https://buy.ver.so/outspoken - Use code OUTSPOKEN to save 15% on your first order. No one campaigns like Nigel Farage and in just two weeks our special results show will be covering whether Reform UK has made massive gains at local elections, where the signs are damn good. So why is the right so divided, with Ben Habib confirming on Outspoken yesterday the launch of his Reform UK rival the Integrity Party. So is Nigel a hero or villain? We’ll have the great Farage debate today with two of our favourites: Former Reform UK London mayoral candidate but new Integrity member Howard Cox and Farage’s close colleague at UKIP and the Brexit Party Alex Phillips. PLUS: The Tommy Robinson jailing scandal deepens. AND: Loose Women accused of hating women after ignoring the landmark Supreme Court ruling on Woke ITV yesterday to cover issues like buying gifts instead. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Lady Colin Campbell is unleashed on a new bombshell report that Prince William is intending to strip Prince Harry and Meghan Markle of their royal titles the moment he becomes king. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for new videos every day: https://youtube.com/@danwoottonoutspoken?si=-2BhmEbBSN1fyESS?sub_confirmation=1 ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-wootton-outspoken/id1762436723 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltoneek2MSPL10CpSA1J?si=8f6d84e2db56448c ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danwootton/ Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/?hl=en #DanWootton #DanWoottonOutspoken #news #outspoken #uknews Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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So be it. Impress even the toughest of critics with freshly prepared Canadian barbecue favorites from Sobeys. No spit, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wotton. This is Outspoken Live, episode number 207. I'm struggling today. I'm going to be honest with you. Can you hear my voice is funny? This is to blame. Look, I have been tortured. I have been actually tortured for the past few days by the tree pollen in London at 665 ppm. And I honestly, I have like debilitating hay fever. I actually did immunotherapy for three years, which meant that I would give myself a dose of grass pollen every single morning because I am so allergic to grass

pollen. And the idea is that by poisoning myself every single morning after about three and a half years, I pretty much can deal with grass pollen, but I've never done it with tree pollen. And of course it's tree pollen that is currently out of control. So I have my Verso to get me through. And if I sneeze, just forgive me, please. I'm desperately trying not to. But it is torture. And I know there'll be some of you out there who understand the torture that I am currently dealing with. Now, no one campaigns like Nigel Farage, do they? Like from photo opportunities, like this one that I saw on X last night, and I have to say it just made me smile, to talk of men's lunchboxes at a lunchtime by-election event today.

There was the case, Leah Thomas in America. I mean, six foot three with a lunchbox that would have made Linford Christie jealous. You can't take him anyway. And in just two weeks, our special results show will be covering where the Reform UK has made massive gains at local elections. And the signs are damn good. But, and I imagine you knew there would be a but, breaking right now, Rupert Lowe has just announced he will sue Nigel, Reform's chairman Zia Youssef, and its chief whip, Lee Anderson, in a dramatic escalation of the party's civil war. So why is the right so divided, with Ben Habib confirming

here on Outspoken yesterday the launch of his Reform UK rival, the Integrity Party. So is Nigel a hero or a villain? We will have the great Farage debate today with two of our favourites, former Reform UK London mayoral candidate, but now Integrity member Howard Cox and Farage's close colleague at UKIP and the Brexit party, Alex Phillips. Also coming up today, the Tommy Robinson Jalene scandal deepens. We'll bring you the latest. Loose women has been accused of hating women after ignoring the landmark Supreme Court ruling on WOKI TV yesterday to cover issues like buying gifts for each other instead. Are you hard to buy for? That's what they thought was the big story of the day yesterday. And Peter Andre, this is bizarre, caught up in a race row after playing a Jamaican man.

No doubt I can be cancelled for putting on that accent too. Not very well. Lady Colin Campbell would be horrified. She is up, though, on the uncancelled after show, unleashed on this new bombshell reporting from the Daily Beast. This is really fascinating. Very well-sourced. I've spoken to a number of friends of Prince William unleashed on this new bombshell reporting from the Daily Beast. This is really fascinating, very well-sourced. I've spoken to a number of friends of Prince William that he is intending to strip Prince Harry and Meghan Markle of their royal titles the moment he becomes king. You're

not going to want to miss Lady C on this one. www.outspoken.live if you want to sign up. Obviously, at the end of the show, we're going to reveal our Greatest Britain and Union Jackass. Union Jackass you can vote for right now in our live chat. And the three nominees include Prince Harry today. He was nominated by Faya Songwal. And it's because of his ridiculous court case and specifically his ridiculous barrister, Mr. Sherbrooke, but they also referred to his hair, which might be a little bit mean. India Willoughby, nominated by Amma Zeleny, still complaining, just see his posts on X. And Jess Phillips, nominated by Warning Shout, because if she did her job properly, the country would be in a calmer place. Three very interesting nominees. I think it's going to be relatively tight today, so get voting in our YouTube live chat. But now, let's go.

So no one campaigns. No one campaigns in the United Kingdom with the sort of enthusiasm of the king of Brexit, Nigel Farage, do they? From photo opportunities like this with a statue, which just tickled me last night, to talk of men's lunchboxes at a lunchtime by-election event. There was the case Leah Thomas in America. I mean, six foot three, with a lunchbox that would have made Linford Christie jealous. You can't take him anywhere. But in one of the biggest self-inflicted political PR nightmares in recent years, the decision by Reform UK's Chairman Zia Youssef to report its best performing MP Rupert Lowe to the police continues to reverberate. Now, some exclusive reporting on

this. I am reliably informed by reform sources that Farage did not know Youssef was intending to release that disastrous Friday night statement announcing the decision to shop the multi-millionaire businessman to the cops. And I'm also told it's only a matter of time before Youssef steps down from his role. And we know what that means. But the damage to some extent has been done with Sly News announcing today's breaking news in the last hour. To some of the day's other stories now, Rupert Lowe has said he intends to bring legal action against Reform UK leader Nigel Farage over allegations of defamation claims. The MP for Great Yarmouth said the legal action

related to claims made by Mr Farage, party chairman Zai Youssef and Reform MP Lee Anderson that he had engaged in workplace bullying, allegations, of course, he denies. It comes after Mr Lowe's suspension as an MP for the Reform Party. This was just last month. So it's a gift to reform haters everywhere. And the situation is certainly getting more toxic with Rupert today confirming he is suing Farage, Yusuf and Lee Anderson.

So he posted on X and remember on X he has massive engagement after being endorsed by Elon Musk. He posted this, and I'll read it all. On the 7th of March 2025, Lee Anderson and Zia Youssef signed and published a statement on behalf of Reform UK. Mr Anderson and Mr Youssef are respectively the party's chief whip and chairman. The statement falsely alleged amongst other things that I had engaged in serious workplace bullying and had made multiple serious threats to physical assault and injure Mr Youssef. The statement was read by millions and has caused serious harm to my reputation. I believe it was published as part of a concerted smear campaign against me after I made comments about the party's leader Nigel Farage. I have today instructed my solicitors, Brett Wilson, to send letters of

claim to Reforms Leader and Director, Mr Nigel Farage, Mr Anderson, and Mr Youssef, asserting claims for defamation. I call on the party, Mr Farage, Mr Anderson, and Mr Youssef, to do the right thing and retract these false allegations. In the event that they are unwilling to do so, it is my intention to issue high court proceedings. Whilst I have no desire to litigate, I will do what is necessary to ensure my reputation is restored. Given the extant legal processes, proceedings, sorry, I am unable to comment further on the matter at this stage. And whatever you think, this whole mess has just sucked the enthusiasm out of what was Reform UK's overwhelming drive. I mean, used to see that membership ticker and it was going up by like 5,000 a week sometimes, sometimes even more than that. That has stopped. And I think this meme, which is going viral, is probably the most telling, actually, because it talks about

what is our least worst option? And do we really want to be voting for our least worst option? Although YouGov has reform sitting behind Labour, but narrowly ahead of the Tories, and Farage is heartened by his personal polling showing an approval rating well clear of Badenoch or Slippery Starmer. The Sun gave him a tacit endorsement this week, and Nigel confirmed his move to the centre officially in a party political broadcast watch. We are a patriotic party. We don't care whether you're centre left or centre right. If you believe this country needs to be shaken up, use those local elections on May the 1st. Vote for reform. Let's take over some of these councils and we'll show you in government what we can do. But this tacked to the centre and, I'm going to be honest about it, the appalling treatment of Rupert Lowe, has opened up a gap on the right of British politics, with Ben Habib confirming here on

Outspoken yesterday that he has taken over the Integrity Party, although he is not yet officially its leader. So why is the right so divided, and is Nigel a hero or villain? To debate this now, let me bring in today's superstar panel, former Reform UK London mayoral candidate, but new integrity member Howard Cox, and Farage's close colleague at UKIP and the Brexit party, Alex Phillips. And we have had dramatic interventions from both of you this week. So Howard Cox, let's look at your post on X where you were just on board immediately announcing you were with Ben Habib. You have joined this party. Alex went viral for totally different feelings about this launch, writing,

So Ben Habib has decided he can establish, grow and run a new political party. Let's see how that goes, shall we? And after all his slurs against Nigel, he's the sole director. Ironically, it's also named the Integrity Party. I didn't see much grace and integrity in his bitter diatribes on X that showed an absurd lack of self-awareness. It took Nigel Farage and a dedicated team decades of hard work and sacrifice to gain a political foothold. Ben is about to find out what Real Boletik looks like. Enjoy splashing in the beginner's pool with all the other funnies. How many are there now? Heritage,

Reclaim, UKIP 2.0, that other one I can't even remember the name of. Setting up an alternative right-wing party is the new businessman's weekend hobby. They should stick to golf or tinkering with old cars. And I did actually read all of that to Ben Habib yesterday. You know I do both sides here, and this is what he said. Well, I love playing golf. I'm not as good as I should be.

My handicap should be a lot lower. I think if I practiced, I'd be a lot better. But, I mean, if she thinks that it's such a fall-on and pointless exercise, she should not worry about us. Move on, Alex. Okay. Let's do this. Alex Phillips, why is it wrong for Ben Habib

to put his money where his mouth is and actually see if he can do it? I didn't say it's wrong. I just it's going to flop. I mean, it's that simple. Look, I've been involved with a Nigel Farage led party since the early days of UKIP. And one's got to understand that when I became a sort of central part of UKIP back in 2013, the party had already been going for about 20 years. It was on 5% of the vote. And I know how hard it is to make that climb and build and build and become a household name and get brand recognition and for people to start taking you seriously. And the point is, reform have now got into that position

and it's taken decades of people who have really sacrificed everything. It takes a lot of money. It takes a lot of time. It takes a lot of time. It takes a lot of energy. It also takes an awareness of the media. They need to be interested in you. And frankly, the way that the rules are with legacy media, no one talks about you until you've really won seats in Parliament, unless you're something really extraordinary. And we have seen, as I mentioned in my tweet, a number of alternative right-wing parties set up in the last couple of years. And if you went onto the streets and did a small poll of the first 15 people you meet, nobody would have heard of any of them. That's just the truth.

And talking about, you know, I know Ben super well. Okay. I probably know Ben better than most people. And I've got a great lot of admiration for Ben. But it's not realistic to think he can launch a brand new party and suddenly it's going to make any sort of inroads whatsoever, especially within the time frame we have. that can actually get into number 10, which does have the manifesto that he purports he wants to put into place. So I just think it's, you know, why waste your time and money? Look, if he wants to do it, he can be my guest. That's the great thing about this country. Anybody can go and set up a political party and give it their best shot.

But like I said, I just think his time would be better spent relaxing on the golf course. So you're just wasting your time howard cox hi alex it's lovely um and i you know alex is a friend i've known her for what three or four years now with what we've done in the past and she's been very supportive of what i've tried to do with reform and that's the point i put my heart and soul into reform i really did for a couple of years and uh i got no support really from reform headquarters uh in the london mayoral election i came second in the dover uh as an mp of 24 of the vote if we'd had three or four more weeks and soon that hadn't run to the hills and

you know put us into a situation to basically uh you know a wrong foot reform you know we would have i probably might have been sitting on the green benches too. I was that close. But what's happened now is so sad and disappointing for me because I don't take this lightly. I didn't really want to leave reform, but I was put in a position which I had no choice. I had to leave.

And we all know what that was. And, you know, I wasn't spoken to since the election of last year by anyone from Reform headquarters. After standing as London mayor, as standing as an MP, no one spoke to me whatsoever. And on the day of the election in terms of the London mayoral position, not one person from Reform headquarters, including Nigel, who wasn't leader at that point um you know came to support me you know even with a camera to photograph me voting for myself in the ballot box the traditional picture of the you know that would have been very good the only person that did turn up was Rupert Lowe and he actually said how'd I've come here to support you um and I know that man

for a long time and I can honestly say that he's a good decent man. The way he's being treated. Um, I mean, my particular situation was that because I supported Tommy Robinson's terrible, uh, you know, the way he's been treated,

uh, I'm not suggesting he's right, please. Uh, you know, uh, Tommy Robinson, but I support the fact that he has been treated terribly.

But because I did that, I got this tweet, uh, text, a WhatsApp text from a good friend i thought is richard tice saying if you continue to talk about tommy robinson where you will be expelled now how do you uh have free speech in a situation like that and and and that's why i'm in a situation where i'm so sad and i i tell you what this could all be solved uh because i do rate nigel farage i do think he's a I'm in a situation where I'm so sad. And I tell you what, this could all be solved because I do rate Nigel Farage. I do think he's a consummate professional, a brilliant politician. I've never seen anyone that can talk without an autocue so passionately and so convincingly.

Yeah, no autocue at GB News either. Yeah. Yeah. And from my point of view, you know, I wanted him to succeed. And I still think Reform UK will do very well in the local elections. And I hope they do, because I hate Labour with a passion. But the thing is, you don't treat people who are grassroots people by throwing out good chair people and all that sort of thing. And what it could be sold overnight, Dan, very simply put this all to bed and and put the vote who should be leader of the party, who should be chair of the party to the members. And I think that would solve it. Alex Phillips, do you know anything about my reporting in the Digest that Nigel was not

actually aware of the fact that Zia Yousaf was going to announce so publicly that he was reporting Rupert Lowe to the police just before a local election campaign and that actually Nigel has been pretty despondent behind the scenes I mean he's obviously supported his chairman publicly but has been pretty horrified about how this has all played out um look I wasn't there so I don't know the truth of what went on but what I do know is when I saw that statement land on x I thought to myself this is really weird this is bizarre because if there's one thing I do know about Nigel is first of all he's really non-confrontational you know you actually get the wall of silence when he's disappointed in you or upset with you and he

really does pull down the shutters which isn't always conducive to sorting things out. But that's because he actually, believe it or not, in reality, is a very non-confrontational man. He doesn't like fallouts at all. But not only that, he's a very savvy political operator. And I just feel there'd be something in his logic, having fought many campaigns. And also, you know, Howard's talking about the Tommy Robinson factor here. It's a great shame in British politics that people cannot just have free speech and parties have to be whipped and they have to make calculations based upon what's going to bring them electoral success. And it's a great shame, frankly, that those two names, Tommy and Robinson, would actually create an immense amount of fallout

because the legacy media would do nothing but obsess over it, keep ramming home the message to everyone in the country that reform is dangerous and racist. And as a result, they would start hemorrhaging the votes that they need, not from the base, but the votes they need to recruit to actually get above that 30% mark and start making real inroads. And what I worry about with this is something clearly went extremely wrong in this fallout between Rupert and Nigel. I was speaking to Rupert, actually, the day before he put his own piece in the newspaper saying that Nigel was messianic. And I thought to myself, why are you doing that? You know, why are you putting something negative about the party leader in the newspaper with Andrew Pearce, who's pretty much overtly a conservative? You know, that's just foolish. That's not going to help matters. And then the situation seemed

to worsen. It got more toxic. And when I saw that press statement drop, I thought to myself, that just isn't good judgment. And if there's one thing I do know about Nigel, maybe he's a human and makes all sorts of mistakes. But politically, his judgment is normally right, as is being reflected in the polling. And I just sort of think to myself, what is it with these guys? Can we stop filing lawsuits against one another? You know, it's horrible. It's ugly. There have been names called. There have been slander in the press on both sides. And one might say one more than the other. But this is just ridiculously unnecessary. It's like kids in a playground and I would rather people just grow up look at the country and think we need to make sure that we put the people first

we need to make sure that we get rid of this lousy leadership from the two legacy parties who have driven the United Kingdom into managed decline and do something different for a change and we have the opportunity potentially in 2029 for something really exciting to happen and that is the first new party in over 100 years to actually get the keys to number 10 Downing Street and actually start enacting a manifesto and a slate of policies that really represent the British people now there are going to be people who say well I don't like Nigel this, or reform hasn't got this in their manifesto, and I wish they had. They're not going far enough on this. They're going too far on that. Guess what? You cannot please everybody. But what a political party needs to do, as it's building a machine and approaching

critical elections, is look at the polling, look at the data, use a political strategy that is going to harness them the most opportunity, while still staying true as much as they can to their core tenet of beliefs, which I think we're former doing, talking about deporting illegal migrants, talking about how to actually stop the boats, talking about enacting a full and hearty Brexit and using that sovereignty to our advantage. And, you know, you're not going to get everything you want when you open the stocking that Santa's left you on Christmas Day. But be grateful that there's some presents in there for a change. Yeah, but I guess that is maybe the issue where like,

oh my goodness, this country needs savings. So we can't walk away from from some of these big issues. Alex, there is one question that people are putting to you, which is that reform should actually be well above 23, 24%. Now, this was the argument that Rupert Lowe made yesterday. I just want to read you out this ex-exchange and allow you to respond. So you posted, reform's polling is the continuation of a 40-year-long revolution. The public is innately aware that this is probably Nigel's time. so why is the right splintering when they finally have what they want? But World by Wolf said, you are utterly deluded. Farage has shown he's incapable of breaching 25% in the polls. The Tories will eventually panic and elect Robert Jenrick. A new nationalist party

will form under Ben Habib, and Nigel Farage will be back to where he's always been a 10 to 15 percent politician. Do you think Nigel can breach that 30 percent? Well, he's got to try to. And this is the point. I don't know what word by wolf's profession is or what his expertise is, but I've actually been working in politics and in elections, not just in this country, but around the world for two decades now. So I actually understand how the system works a bit. And I know how you have to build cohorts of votes to be able to get to that critical mark. I also have some idea of what the electoral landscape in the United Kingdom looks like. OK, so you're never going to get at least 40 percent of the voters because they're going to be left wing, if not a bit more. And then you're going to have people who still find comfort and solace in the legacy party that they've always voted for. A lot of people, you know, we sit here talking about politics because we love it,

because we're politically engaged with it. You would be amazed how many people just do their duty, go to the ballot box and put a cross by the name of the party that they've always voted for. You'd be amazed at the number of people who could only name Zakir Starmer and not anybody else in cabinet. You'd be amazed at the number of people who know who Nigel Fowler is, but not a single other person in the reformed lineup. And so actually, you know, a lot depends on circumstance as well. And what's happened over the course of, I'd say, about two decades now, since I've been involved in UK politics, is the oft-quoted Overton window has shifted. Some of the arguments Nigel Farage was making 10 years ago, 20 years ago, on the subject of immigration, and I've critical

doorstep issues. You remember when he made that big poster saying breaking point, and it showed the snakes of men coming across Europe. And you must also remember the backlash he got for it. For about six months, anybody who even knew Nigel Farage was asked, do you like that poster? Do you support that poster? It was the only thing the media held on to, to try and embarrass and shame anybody who thought that there was a crisis on our hands will guess what he was proven right. And I think the general public are now going, hmm, he had a point. And the thing is about a lot of politics. When you speak to most people on the street, it's the big themes that matter. And most

people will say, I'm worried about immigration. And Nigel Farage has always spoken about immigration. When you get into the weeds of what exactly is that policy, who's going to be deported, how many, by what mechanism, Rupert Lowe, Ben Habib, all these other elements, nobody has a clue. And so this is, when you work in politics, you get these things because you've done various elections, you've looked at polling, you've looked at forecasts, and you've tried various different techniques. And one thing that Nigel's always known how to do is ram home one big issue. Once upon a time, it was very much Brexit, tied, of course, to the immigration debate. He's going to go hard on immigration. He knows that is severely important to the British people. That is just how politics works. Wouldn't it be lovely

if people can have all sorts of beliefs, somehow all get together without falling out, create a magical manifesto that everyone believes in, win 60% of the vote, that'd be great. If I had a magic wand on some of the election campaigns I've worked on, I would have used that magic wand and made all of that come true. It's just not what happens. It's not realistic. League, which now Reform UK are doing, and they are actually breaching the 25% mark. Some polling has them as high as 30, which is actually extraordinarily massive. If you look at the vote share that Labour got in the last general election, it was far lower than Jeremy Corbyn had got in the election before. And yet, because of the dynamics of where the other parties were,

they got an electoral landslide. When you start hitting that 30% mark, you really stand a very good chance of getting into 10 Downing Street. And some polling is showing that happening. At the very least, it is showing reform on 25% plus. So they're nudging into the point that actually Farage being the next prime minister is actually conceivable, which is amazing for me to say that after all these years and you know what the true marker is if the sun newspaper are writing it that means a lot used to work at the sundown they like to back the winner it's always been the mentality of that newspaper we want to be where the country are we want to be where our readers are so to put that big double page spread

almost tacitly endorsing Nigel Farage by the biggest newspaper in Britain with the highest circulation, that to me is a massive indicator that people are beginning to think the writing may be on the wall. So, no, I'm not deluded. I'm just extremely experienced in the political sphere. Growing outrage that GB News described Tommy Robinson as a boil on someone's bum while discussing the outrageous reality that there is lawfare against a civil prisoner keeping him in solitary confinement for a ludicrous amount of time. Something that GB News and right-wing commentators on GB News should clearly be concerned about. But what interests me is this attempt by the mainstream media to continue to present Tommy Robinson as a monster. So I will show you what Mike Parry had to say in case you missed it in just a moment. Then we'll get reaction from Alex Phillips and Howard Cox but I was struck today by this monster Tommy Robinson and uh some of the things he has done in private over the past few years that are now being shared with people so outraged by his portrayal in the mainstream media watch I can't hold it, you can't see. I just brought you some flowers. Oh, bless you.

Are you all right? Oh, thank you. Are you all right? Let me get the wee buck out of that. Are you good? Good to see you. Good to see you. Let me get this wee buck up.

No, don't bite him. I think he's your namesake. It's Tommy. It's Tommy's sake. The little angry one. Yeah. Are you all right then? Oh. Now look, Howard Cox, Tommy Robinson isn't saying he's the perfect person.

He's not saying that he has the perfect past. However, we do have a lot of forgiveness in this country for someone like Alistair Campbell, who lied about an illegal war leading to the deaths of hundreds of young British men. Yet he's allowed back on the mainstream media constantly a permanent fixture on the British Bashing Corporation and Sly News. Yet there is this desire to paint Tommy Robinson as a monster. You're absolutely right. And, you know, I have to say that, you know, I was that monster was portrayed to me before I really went to visit him. I had to go and sit and see him in prison to find out who is this guy and why is the form, you know, people like Nigel and people like Richard Tice were telling me that he was uh the pariah the ultimate antichrist you know what I don't understand you

know is what that was all about so I went to see him and I spent two hours sitting with him talking to him and I've I was inspired by him what he was trying to do um we've all got a checkered past you've got Nelson Mandela he was was a terrorist. We can go that sort of thing. Then he became a god to everyone around the world. And the point is, the worst thing about this, this is a civil offence. Yes, he broke the rule. He played that video and he was sued by the guy that, you know, in terms of defamation, the Syrian, all those sorts of things. But this does not warrant 18 months in solitary confinement or even in prison. He should be under house arrest and maybe a tracker put on him.

That's my point. And it's a shame that it got to the stage at this issue, because I support virtually every policy reform UK's contract with the people. In fact, I helped write the transport one. We want a 20p cut in fuel duty. Wouldn't that be lovely but what i do not understand is why there's so much hatred towards tommy from the reform head you know echelons at the top and that's why i left i couldn't handle it and my i'm i'm a principled person i still believe in reform uk what they're trying to do but you do not treat grassroots people and this is important dan and Alex, to understand.

I've had probably five or six hundred communications from grassroots reform people, chairmen who've been thrown out, been so-called vetted. These are good people who are dedicated to Nigel. And let's face it, it's the Nigel party. It's the Nigel show. And that's what Rupert was trying to say about him being a messiah. He's still seen by that. In a major london a person who supported me in the in my london election or attempt to be elected as london mayor said when he heard that nigel was uh um coming to lead lead the party he said he walks upon us among us now he is the messiah he walks on water that was an email i got from him to say that now i don't go as far as that all i can say this could be solved and Alex is dead right and she's very convincing Alex and I've all and I'm

very fond of what she says about most things and I do but the difference I have here is Nigel needs to wake up and sort out and make sure he looks after the grassroots because at the moment he's alienating too many well just before Alex comes in i want to show you both this i think particularly egregious piece of broadcasting on gb news obviously i'm all for free speech by the way if they want to have guests on who just hate on tommy robinson that's absolutely fine but i think what my issue is with mike parry here is that it's a lot of personal attacks. And I'm almost certain he hasn't really looked into Tommy Robinson because he's a mainstream media guy and he follows the narrative. But Alex, let's just watch along with this and then I'll get you to respond off the back. Because people at home may not quite understand the context of this.

His contempt of court on 10 occasions was for being told you are libeling this Syrian refugee boy in this movie, this documentary that you have made. You've put it on your Twitter account, you've shown it in Leicester Square, we've told you not to play it and you keep playing it. That is what he's in prison for, Mike. Yes, exactly. Ten breaches. I mean, this is a classic case of where I feel

he's such an irrelevant person. I'm fed up to the back teeth of him. He hasn't got any values which anybody could possibly admire. But he's, unfortunately, he's like an irritating boil on your bum. And you can't get rid of him. Not an image I cherish.

No, no. And you can't get rid of him. But I'm fed up to the back teeth of this guy. I mean, you're absolutely right. it's all down to martyrdom. But where I completely dismissed him as a fantasist was when he tried to protest to police on one occasion when he was arrested. Oh, you're arresting me because I'm a working journalist. He's a very interesting... But all those points you made, Bev, about, you know, Tom Rolton

couldn't really express himself properly, boys from Newton and all that. But he now thinks that he is, you know, somebody who is expressing himself properly and eloquently and I'm making the argument, millions of people are following me. I find him a blinking nuisance. I wish we could ignore him because, frankly, I think he's an irritant and he's given far too much time and space. But isn't it, when I was talking about that sign that said free Tommy Robbins,

it's like free Nelson Mandela. He's not Nelson Mandela. Yeah. Right, Stephen, Mike. So Alex Phillips, I mean, I was always told that Jimmy News didn't want to just do attacks on human beings for no particular reason, you know, describing someone as a boil on your bum. But I would argue that that rant from Mike Parry comes from a place of ignorance, actually. Well, look, it suggests two things, doesn't it?

So first of all, you know, you can't control what a guest on a programme says. I'm glad to see Jeevan, you seem to have got new chairs sitting on their old stools behind that desk. It's deeply uncomfortable. Yeah, my chair always used to collapse. I know I'm a bit bigger than you, Alex, right? But seriously, my chair would just like slowly be collapsing.

And it would constantly rotate and go, eee! But Alex, I will just say, though, I agree with what you're saying about the guests. Of course you come. But they only, have you noticed, they will only talk about Tommy Robinson when it's a very negative judicial story. So when he loses, they talk about him.

So this is exactly what I've been trying to say earlier. It's because the frame has been set by the establishment for many years now to make that man the villain of the piece, to turn him into some sort of dangerous, evil, pernicious antichrist almost. And again, you know, I was talking about politics and the broad brushstrokes that people tend to pick up on. If you go and ask a lot of people out there on the streets, there are people who know, who follow Toby Robinson, who support him, who adore

him, frankly. But then you speak to a load of other people and they've got no idea. They've not done their research. They haven't looked into anything he's said or done. What they've heard persistently for over a decade is this man is a monster. And so you say to these people, what do you think of Tommy Robinson? They go, oh, gosh, not for me. And this has been the case now for so long that he has become almost like kryptonite politically, and even kryptonite to a supposed free speech channel that wants to show it's on the side of the masses. But again, it's too delivered to have a voice on there that might support or endorse Tommy Robinson. And so this is the same thing that reform is having to grapple with. And reform can make a

decision that they are going to have that as part of their dialogue, that they don't need to talk about it, that they want to focus on their politics and their manifesto, because realistically, Tommy Robinson hasn't asked to be a member of reform or asked to stand in an election for them. And at the moment, the poor sod is stuck in solitary confinement. So Lord knows what he thinks about it. But this is why it's been deliberately made by the establishment, by the powers that be, that he is They're the ones who have mortgaged our safety at the altar of a political experiment of ridiculously high immigration and a lack of integration. They're the ones who know you can't put the genie back in the bottle. And we saw this after Southport, didn't we? Well, so-called rioters. And I've got a lot of questions about still what went on over those few days.

They went after the people they knew they could go after. And then you saw the same authorities saying to men who came out of mosques with weapons, would you mind just going back and putting those weapons inside the mosque again, please, lads? It was two-tier policing. And we've got two-tier justice. We've got two-tier media. And this is why when you are going to operate in the world of crimes of operations, you have to be ever so careful about these massive hot button issues that if you get them wrong, you can be destroyed. Or do you have to do a Trump? Do you have to do a Trump and just say, no, we're going to destroy the system. We're going to take over and then we're going to

find a way. By the way, though, I do just want to ask you about, no we're gonna destroy the system we're gonna take over and then we're gonna then we're gonna find a way by the way though i do just want to ask you about um i i want to ask you about mike mike parry howard because i mean mike graham uh good friend he has no time for mike parry uh these days and i think part of it is because mike Parry does make those sort of uneducated statements. What did you make of what he had to say about Tommy Robinson on GB News? Well, you hit the nail on the head. It was based on ignorance. He hasn't met him. He has no clue what he's about whatsoever. Tommy Robinson hasn't done all things right. But I wouldn't have known about the child rape gang issue

if it wasn't for him. The depth of that sort of thing going on. That's how I learned about it. And that's hurt me. And thank heavens people like Charlie Peters at GB News has told us about 50 towns with amounting to 100,000 kids that have been systematically raped. I mean, that's the thing that matters at the base of this.

It shouldn't be about the person, the character. It's about the story. And Mike Parry is one of those sorts of people. And I've spoken many times to Mike Graham. I'm sure you have, Alex, as well, about that Mike. The two Mikes, because they obviously worked well together years and years ago. And he has got no time for the man because he shoots from the hip. And that hip is completely andy in the gutter that's the way he works very good point very good point alex phillips do you want to come back on that yeah i don't look i actually don't know mike parry from adam i've never met the guy um i know that mike doesn't have particularly fond words to say about him um but you know there are people who sustain a living by becoming shock jocks by saying things that they think are going to get them viral clicks. And maybe that is part of part of his play here. But the thing is, you know, the reason why Tommy Robinson comes up as an issue time again on independent media, where legacy media is too scared to talk about it, is because it feels almost dangerous to talk about it because it's been banned, because it's been forbidden.

And like I said before, the reason it's been forbidden is because the establishment have tried to cover up the sort of things that he was speaking about. And they had to make a scapegoat. They had to find some way of personifying all of this and throwing that person under a bus. That's what's gone on. I'm incredibly alarmed and worried about the fact that as Howard was saying, this was a civil situation, this was a civil law case, how that ends up being someone in a high security prison in solitary confinement, I've got no idea, particularly when you look at judgments against people who are a danger to society, who are allowed to be released early or don't go to prison at all and then actually go on to commit violent or sexual offences. It is absolutely overplaying the hand in the same way

that Lucy Connolly, that poor, poor woman, sentenced to 32 months in prison for writing something in the spirit of the moment on Facebook she later deleted. There was no proof of causality. There couldn't have been proof of causality. There couldn't have been proof of causality because she wasn't there directing armies of people to go out and riot. It's sickening what goes on in this country. It's sickening how our judicial system thinks that we're just going to continue having faith in it when it makes these erroneous decisions time and again. We need to be a high trust country. We need to know that when we go to court, we're going to get a fair trial, regardless of our politics, regardless of our background,

regardless as well of what we might have done previously in life. We don't have that in the UK, where you can have the sort of double jeopardy. You have to discard all of that and look at things purely on a situation on a legal basis of the case in hand at that present moment. And what we can see now in front of our very eyes over and over again is actually our judicial system is weighted to try and get rid of anybody who dares question the establishment, who dares break taboo. And yet when it comes to people who really are the dangerous ones, particularly if they happen to be from a minority,'s the softly softly approach why because the thing they're terrified about is people turning out en masse on the streets not from the white working classes although they are very afraid of

that but mainly from the sectors of society the communities in which these people are coming from they're terrified if they happen to put uh let's say, an Islamic agitator who's been protesting outside school and making threats, if they put that person in prison, they know what will happen. It's a bit like when you pluck a hair, 10 more comes to its funeral. They are so worried about upsetting the apple cart because they've created this hellishly fragile toxic situation where frankly civil unrest is only ever a blink away and so they live now in trying to

bail out the bucket thimble by thimble all the time to try and stop things from becoming a greater conflagration and for them Tommy Robinson represents somebody who puts a cat amongst the pigeons, who will actually destabilise this sort of convoluted filigree of so-called social peace, when actually what it is, is essentially top-down suppression of the truth. Alex, that text I got from Richard Tice threatening me with expulsion if I continue to talk about the Antichrist, if I continue to do that, was fair? Well, listen, look, I don't want to sort of speak bad of Richard Tice. I adore that man. I think actually he's incredibly magnanimous and been very important in UK politics for managing to keep reform going. I always think when you communicate with people, there's a delicate way of doing it. There are ways in which you can have a conversation in human terms. I don't know the wording of your

text. Of course, I don't. But it is party policy, because it's such a hot potato issue that reform rightly, and I don't mean rightly from a moral sense, I mean, rightly from a strategic sense, rightly realize is going to cause them a lot of damage if they open the door to it. And so if the party policies, look, we just can't play with that fire, I'm afraid. So everyone understand that and, you know, zip it when it comes to this topic. We've got elections to win. Then that's party policy. But like I said, when it comes to communications between people, there's just better way to handle things sometimes. Like don't know what he wrote to you well alex the important thing to understand about this is that richard tice actually asked me to stand as london mayor and i i'm very fond of admiration

he stood down when nigel became leader all those sorts of things you couldn't ask for a better nicer guy in that respect and i'm i'm feeling for him a bit at the moment where he's sitting with the party. But all I'm saying to you is that there is about probably, I know of at least 500 or 600 people who are in my position, who support Tommy big time, who are in the Reform Party. And as I say, I do think that probably after this local election campaign, we may see some changes at the top of Reform UK, even though they will not be wanting to admit that now. Yesterday in the United Kingdom was one of the most important days for women since the suffragette movement. And there is one television show

on broadcast TV that is dedicated specifically to women, females. It actually has the word women in the name. But the sad thing is, is that Loose Women on Woke ITV, a show that used to be brilliant and used to properly represent working class ladies of our country with brilliant panelists like Carol McGiffin and Jane and just so many actually. Lisa, there were honestly brilliant, brilliant people on that panel who have all gone. And on the biggest day for women in modern history yesterday, loose women covered. Let me show you. Is Denise heading to space? A female space mission, inspiring or inappropriate? Is it an insult

to be called bossy? Do we give away too much personal data? Are you hard to buy gifts for? Is there pressure to provide a perfect childhood? What would your dog look like as a human? Benidorm, the Garveys are reunited. Is Benidorm returning? So the brilliant John James, who has been on the right side of this gender critical argument as a gay man for some time regularly reposted on X by JK RowK. Rowling, wrote on this, and ironically, obviously, it was a man who had to do it, but he posted, UK Supreme Court unanimously ruled that a woman is defined by biological sex, and loose women didn't cover it. Why Charlene White? Why Denise Welsh? Why Janet Street Porter?

Why Mariella Fostrom? Instead, they asked, are you hard to buy gifts for? What an insult to women. Now, John's post on X had serious repercussions because it shamed the show. And I tuned into Loose Women today, where Kay Adams, who was hosting, admitted that they had not had this debate. They had not had the biological sex debate previously because it was too toxic. And Denise Welsh admitted that she was terrified of cancellation. Now, Alex Phillips, I don't think there's any excuse for loose women ignoring this story yesterday. And actually, it's not just about what they did yesterday. Although, my God, you have a huge piece of breaking news coming in three hours before you go to where you know what it's like on a TV station. You've got the only show that features

an exclusive female panel. You would be rubbing your hands with glee. It's like, this is our moment. We're going to get the ratings. We're going to get people talking. So there's no excuse for that. But I would actually say, Alex Phillips, there is also no excuse for having dodged this subject for the past two years because you're so terrified of cancellation. That is the damage the woke mind virus causes, isn't it? Right. And, you know, it isn't just loose women. It's all legacy media, basically. It's largely pretty much all politicians as well.

It's the public institutions, it's schools, it's social services. But this is a show for women. And they don't have a trans panelist. You know, like, this is a show for biological women. How mental is it that it's taken going to the UK Supreme Court to say that men can't go in women's toilets, that men can't compete against women in sports because there's a real threat of personal injury and death.

How mental. We got the vote at the beginning of the last century. We're still battling for equality in many other regards, but we've got access to workplaces. And we think we've progressed this far. And all of a sudden, in court, we're battling to just have an identity, just to be women and to be safeguarded.

I mean, it's sick. It is sick. It is sick. It is sick. What else I find sick? I just want to say this. What else I find sick, right, is this was such a serious subject. It was so important to 50% of the population that they can have integrity and dignity and safety and security and an identity

and even the most measly form of recognition, which is that you exist. And yet so many of the political news programs used it like a game. Oh, it was funny. Can a woman have a penis? Can they? And the idiots, spineless, sycophantic, vainglorious, morally just bankrupt politicians

without a spine, all they could see was popularity. But even today, Alexlex and i can't play you any of it unfortunately because itv don't allow you to but even today these women were sitting there clearly terrified clearly self-editing everything they say and all they cared about were the trans people in the country the 0.5 percent of trans people that's all they cared about were the trans people in the country the 0.5 percent of trans people that's all they cared about or at least that's all they felt they were able to express yeah but dan look look at you right you know what happens when you go up against these big issues when you are going to be outspoken to use the title of your show what happens you have to go

it alone it takes a lot of bravery and a lot of courage and if they just don't talk about it they just don't talk about it but the thing is alex there was power in having the four of them there yesterday and oh i thought it was shameful but look i i just want to go through some other big moments of the coverage firstly jk rowling uh you've got to admit so damn cool she posted i love it when a plan comes together hashtag supreme courts hashtag women's rights with this picture and then said to those celebrating the fact that I'm smoking a blunt it's a cigar even if it decided to identify as a blunt for the purposes of this celebration it would remain objectively prov provably, and demonstratively a cigar.

So I loved that. Now, Howard Cox, I'm going to bring you in. But as the bloke, I want you to comment on crazy James O'Brien and the crazy mental arithmetics that he played yesterday to somehow make this about the Donald Trump access Hollywood video from all of those years ago. Watch. There's a people who are very supportive, very delighted by today's judgment, who are as disgusted as all decent people are by an awful lot of what else Donald Trump is ushering in.

And yet I don't know how you separate yourself from that, how you make it clear that you wish it was somebody else that had done this thing that you approve of. But as it is, it's the self-confessed sex offender who you're cheering for his attitude towards transgender women. The bloke who really does go around grabbing women by their genitals. He's your man I don't know

do you pause and think how have I ended up on his team how have I ended up on the same team as the self-confessed sex offender the guy who boasts about grabbing women by their genitals the guy that sued a woman who accused him of rape for Lyme and lost

how did I end up on his team? Howard, I guess that's got to be proof that the left have lost their mind over this issue. Well, they have lost their mind. Isn't that defamatory? Shouldn't he be in solitary confinement for that? I mean, I cannot believe how he gets away with that, man. I refused to go and be interviewed on him

because every time I talk to him about everything, because as you know, I look after a thing called fossil fuels in cars etc they've been campaigning for 15 years on that and he really attacks me on my position in terms of climate change denial you know I'm one of those but yesterday's victory in this at the Supreme Court was historic it was absolutely fantastic and I was so proud of those women who've gone through this process and they've gone out of their way to sort this out. And you get people like that and the loose women for very powerful women in terms of media and on the television, et cetera, completely ignoring it. I didn't. I'm not really a frequenter of watching loose women, I'm afraid. But, you know, what amazes me, they had the opportunity to stand up and I follow J.K. Rowling.

I think she's incredible. I also follow people like Sharon Davis. You know, I think also she's one of the people. And I also follow a certain person called Alex Phillips when she talks about this. I regularly retweet when she talks about this and she talks so much sense. But the fact is, we've got a lot of idiots out there in the mainstream media, and most of them are left of centre. Well, of course, because I also want to show you Sly News. I mean, actually, I showed you on yesterday's show the initial reaction on Sly News to the Supreme Court ruling, which was just sickening. And you can go back and watch that. But it continued. It continued into the

night where their hosts were just clearly despondent about this decision. It didn't matter if they were female or male. So this was Anna Botting on the press preview. Ten. And the judges have ruled definitively in this instance that the terms woman and sex refer to biology, not gender. And the question is, what does that mean? Some very stark headlines, it has to be said, in both the Metro and the Telegraph, you know, trans women are not women. And, you know, this is deeply disappointing

for the trans community who have fought so hard to get rights that they deem as suitable for how they feel as people. And there was exactly that same sort of approach during an interview with Maya Forstater, who's been a hero on this watch. It doesn't matter what sex you are, but in places where it does, you need to be clear.

Yeah, absolutely. But, Maya, let me just push on that a little bit, because then you could have some trans women who then feel excluded from the space that they think they should be in in that particular instance. But they're men. I mean, they might feel excluded, but the fact is that's a space for women. And somebody who's a man who wishes he was a woman is not a woman. And I'm sorry if he feels excluded, but we need to have clear rules

in order to protect the people who those services are intended for. And that doesn't mean treating people badly or not treating them at all. Men who identify as transgender, who call themselves trans women, may be a vulnerable subset of men, but they don't share an experience with women because they're not women and i mean alex it's just astonishing to me that you have these amazing women like my forstater and i mean gosh she's someone who lost so much just for stating a biological reality and yet she's still trying to have to explain to these presenters on Sly News. I've got to go back to the James O'Brien thing. Please, please, no, you go there. The one thing that stood out to me is it's been the hard work

and the bravery of Maya Forstater, of Helen Joyce, of the women behind Sex Matters, of people like Kelly J. Keene, who has been attacked in the streets, of the women who have been called TERFs, demonized, canceled, physically threatened, threatened with rape online. It's the hard work of those women who got that court case, not a bloody man in America. Misogyny alarm, any. If anybody's the big bleeding misogynist in this debate, it's James O'Brien for wanting to blame all of this on a man,

completely disregarding all the women who fought hard and sacrificed so much just to protect the safety and integrity of women. It infuriates me. It infuriates me. This is what we battle all the time. I don't want to become a Me Too movement. It's not like that.

But it is a fact of life, right? When you go out to bat as a woman, if you want to stick your head above the parapet and fight for what you believe in, you have a bloody hard time. You get the sort of crap thrown at you that I don't think men do. You get accused of having affairs.

You get accused of sleeping around. You get accused of being toxic, dangerous, a witch. You know, the way that women are treated in the public space is absolutely reprehensible. And when they have to fight for the protection of women, and when they do, James O'Brien can't even say the name of them. Instead, he says Donald Trump. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. Demonstrates the point.

Totally demonstrates the point. Goodness me. I did just want to play a moment from Nigel Farage earlier today, because this is where Nigel Farage is so good. He's so good. And I know some people say I've been harsh on Nigel Farage over the past few weeks. Certainly I don't, you know, like the Rupert Lowe situation, but on the campaign trail, when he's dealing with these sorts of issues in a completely accessible and funny way, I think it's when you see Nigel Farage at his best. Watch. I think we reached peak lunacy, didn't we? Yes.

We reached peak lunacy in Scotland where a violent double rapist put on a blonde wig, was rebranded as Isla Bryson, and then was sent to a woman's prison. And I think that was peak lunacy. And I think the Supreme Court judgment shows you that actually the pendulum of common sense has come back to where it needs to be. And it was very interesting. I heard Sebastian Coe on the radio this morning saying, hooray. Because frankly, for any human being that's been through male puberty, to be contesting against adult women in sport. I mean, there was the case, Leah Thomas in America. I mean, six foot three, with a lunchbox that would have made Linda Christie jealous.

You can't take him anywhere. But I mean, the whole thing was ridiculous. So look, you know, there are those in society who feel they're born in the wrong bodies. And you know what? We'll be respectful of them. We won't be discriminatory against them. We'll understand who they are. There's no problem with that. But I think the extent to which this was being abused and women were just not feeling safe in their own spaces.

Yeah, it's a it's it's a judgment for common sense. I mean, Howard Cox, he's just got that spot on, hasn't he? Just that his whole approach to this issue is exactly what you want from a politician. Actually, there's no hesitation in that whatsoever. The way he actually delivered that was beautiful. And as I say, I've got huge admiration for how he gets hold of an issue and actually delivers not necessarily a solution, but a rational reasoning behind it. And I've got huge respect for that.

I've got no problem with that whatsoever. But this whole issue, you know, regarding pushing it onto Donald Trump, I mean, we're going to get more and more of this and you know it'd be interesting in the free speech thing that Janie Vance is actually saying that you can we might reduce your tariffs from 10% to 5% if you make sure freedom of speech is rekindled in this country true freedom of speech that's what we're hearing I'm hoping that's true but obviously that shouldn't be really a bargaining chip should it no it really shouldn't uh howard cox alex phillips do stand by because we've got this extraordinary story and this is where woke really starts to eat itself of peter andre being

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posts. He's been described as offensive. And we've even had some folk asking, is this 1998? Let me tell you, I wish it was. I honestly wish it was. If I could get in my time machine and just go back to 1998 before the woke mind virus destroyed this country i would be very happy now whether this is the best acting or not you can be the judge but should peter andre really be cancelled for this reaction from my superstar panel alex phillips and howard cox in just a moment but first here's a piece of acting that I don't think is going to be a good idea for an actor. Here we go. But it was not just a dialect. It's a way of life. An attitude.

Let them no man say that. Kill man all right. Blah, blah. Blah, blah. Find him. Kill him. Bring him back to life, and then kill him again. Now, Alex Phillips, Peter Andre is a Greek-Australian. He did not black up. There was no black face going on. He did put the dreadlocks on, right, and use the accent.

Is that now enough to see you cancelled in woke society? Of course it is. But actually, I think he's played a genius move here because all of the noise and the anger about it, it actually has people, I had me in stitches watching that. I think it's utterly brilliant. I did wonder initially, Alex, if it was a spoof yeah they kind of want to see this stuff brought back because most people you know realize that actually that sort of thing is actually a bit of a love song to jamaica it's saying you're wonderful you've got this brilliant accent you know we're going to look ridiculous

trying to impersonate it and all the jamaicas they're going you don't know what you're doing and people love that sort of thing it's light-hearted it's inoffensive and yet there are always the people who go you can't do that that's cultural appropriation i mean those people they're just so irrelevant now they're a tiny screaming minority a bit like james o'bBrien who in another five years time will find themselves in the dustbin of history and I think Peter Andre's played a masterstroke here because what so many people ordinary men and women dying weather spoons chatting in the staff canteen want to see back is this sort of simple funny comedy and if he's brave enough to go ahead and do that a round of applause to him because i

think he'll have a huge audience of people who go yes this is just what we need howard cox how did you feel about this one well you see i'm twice the age of you two and i go back to people like bernard manning and jane jim davidson actually pretending to be a west indian and and obviously you know every time I went to one, especially some of the rugby stag do's I used to go to and seeing stand-up comedians doing it, had us in stitches. No one was offended. And I played with a lot of West Indian cricketers and rugby players

and these sorts of people, and they were laughing just as much. The issue we have here is quite right, as Alex said, is the whole aspect of what's happening in our society. A small minority of people, a rich elite minority of people are controlling what we think, what we say, what we do and how we operate. And that's the issue, the bottom of this. Good luck to Peter Ondrava. I once met him in the green room at GB News and I sat with him drinking a cup of tea and he cracked me up. Again, you meet it, you know, book and cover. You just don't know the man until you sit and talk to these people he's a good man and I agree with Alex they had me in stitches Peter Andre is actually a lovely guy he really

is I mean there's a whole load of horrors in the show business industry right like real horrors trust me I know Peter Andre is not one of them but But the thing is, Alex, knowing Peter Andre as I do, and he's deleted all of his posts, he will have gone into this like in quite an altruistic way. And he's obviously now horrified. That's the problem here. He doesn't want to be cancelled. Yeah, please don't be bullied, Peter Andre. Make it your fake and I want to see it.

I think most of the country wants to see it because laughter is the best medicine. It's exactly the sort of antidote we need to this woke nonsense that has been so poisonous and so oppressive and so misery inducing in society. That's turning us into a crackpot country riddled with mental illness. This is exactly the sort of thing we need. So, Peter, please, come on, be brave. You managed to do that Mysterious Girl video.

I'm not too old to remember that. Oiled up, coming out of the ocean like this. I mean, that was harrowing. Yeah, you used to have that hair like that and those big earrings. I mean, that's more disturbing than this Jafakin thing. So, come on, Peter, have some backbone. You know you're right. If you know you're right and you're doing things for the right reason,

crack on and just do them. Yeah. And the thing is, doesn't everyone have to stop worrying about being cancelled? How? Because actually it's only if everyone stops worrying. And look, we've had some great examples, right? Like, look at the trans issue that we've spoken about earlier with J.K. Rowling and Ricky Gervais and Dave Chappelle, actually. They proved that actually, and look, I know they've got so much money. They are truly uncancellable, but we can all be inspired by them. And the Loose Women should be inspired by them.

And Peter Andre should be inspired by them. Like the responsibility to change society is going to come back to a lot of the celebrity class who have to have the balls to start saying what they really think. Because we have had all of this period for the past 10 years. And I saw this change. Like I used to work at ITV Daytime. You know, I was there for 10 years. And I literally saw it change. And I had to leave as as a result so yeah i think there's got to be a power now and celebrities actually being brave and not always being so worried that they're going to

be immediately cancelled well you see what i find is i who is orchestrating all this how has this happened and it's happening at all levels it's happening in our education scheme we're seeing things like what's happening about lgbt stuff being taught you know in primary school kids should be out playing playing making mud pies and you know just running around and enjoying themselves but you know they're having agendas now or telling them about whether they are you really a woman a girl or really a boy those are the sorts of things that are being dictated to and and i can't handle that at the moment i'm a 70 year old guy i haven't got long left on this planet and i probably might not even make it three decades mate you ain't going anywhere howard cox uh i probably won't make 2029 you know for the election so who knows what's going on

don't even go there don Don't even suggest it. Alex, I just want to ask finally, though, because Howard poses a very good question. How did this happen? How did the woke mind virus so successfully infiltrate, not just the entertainment industry, but politics? I mean, because we have seen this happen. We've been there watching it happen.

How do you think it happened? The money. There's an amazing American journalist called Jennifer Bilek. She is superb. And that's what she's done. She's actually found in America two of the biggest philanthropists who have driven billions of dollars into LGBT charities. Both of them also, surprisingly, sit on the boards of big pharmaceutical companies and dot-com companies who have also propagated this. But so much money has been pumped into organizations such as Stonewall, who then say to companies, well, you know, if you don't sign up to this, that or the other, we're going to say that you don't get our Stonewall rating. And then companies are really worried. They think, oh, my goodness, the press is going to get hold of this. We're going to be in trouble. Best thing we can do is go along with it.

I'm afraid, Dan, when it comes to campaigning, it takes a lot of sophistication and a lot of sophistication requires a lot of money. And so the simple answer is the left wing have been incredibly good at making money for themselves and from themselves by pushing the narrative of cancelling the right wing. They've taken over comedy. They've taken over public services. They've taken over NGO. They've taken over the arts.

I mean, they basically monopolise everything now and they've made it, you know, ironically, capitalistically for the left wing. They've made it very lucrative to be left wing. So when you have TV presenters, you don't want to talk about the ruling in the Supreme Court, it's because they don't want to lose their earnings. You always have to follow the money. That's what's gone on here. It's been purposeful. It's been deliberate. It's been propagated by some extremely powerful individuals. And the rest of society has just blindly picked it up in sheer terror. They've drunk the Kool-Aid. were speaking about earlier a new find out now poll just released since we've been on air reposted by zia yusuf and darren grimes has reform on 28 six points ahead of labor on 22 eight points clear of the tories and getting closer alex they're not there yet they're not

at the 30 yet but but getting closer so i'm sure you'll say I told you so, but we will continue this debate. Thank you both so much. Brilliant. Howard Cox, the director of Fair Fuel UK, now a member of the Integrity Party. And Alex Phillips, who, of course, has her incredible, that's what she said, substack as an independent journalist thank you both so much now uh lots of feedback coming in uh from you not surprisingly today with everything that we have been discussing jay posted i know this is unpopular however i personally don't trust ben habib don't really

know why but strong gut instinct that he's a wily fox in sheep's clothing uh avtomat said 4774 if the tories can be taken over by proper right-wingers that's the best outcome then all the party infrastructure comes inside rather than becoming another enemy to be overcome suzy perry said the uk is finished there is no one capable of saving it apart from Rupert Lowe, but he's finished now too. I say, just accept reality. It's time to emigrate. No, Susie, but I hear what you're saying. Snake Tree says Zia will take over the reform party. And Pom said four years to go. Maybe they get rid of Zia and get Rupert back Nige can't be that dumb to keep promoting Zia and as I reported in my digest I am told Zia will be out at some point which is really really

fascinating okay oh my goodness my hay fever I'm almost getting through this it's been difficult today I've been sneezing but at least you haven't heard it uh union jackass time your nominees prince harry nominated by fire songwell and uh it is for his ridiculous hair and also his ridiculous lawsuits and his ridiculous barrister mr sherbourne we had india willoughby nominated by a maze lily because still complaining just see his posts on X. And Jess Phillips, nominated by Warning Shout. If she did her job properly, the country would be a calmer place. And the results are in.

You've been voting live. Third place, Prince Harry with 17% of the vote. The runner-up, India Willoughby with 26% of the vote. But the overwhelming winner of Union Jackass today with 57% of the vote. The runner-up, India Willoughby, with 26% of the vote. But the overwhelming winner of Union Jackass today, with 57% of your vote, Jess Phillips. Okay, they all go head-to-head now, not Prince Harry and India Willoughby, but the winners of Union Jackass all this week

go head-to-head on the post-community section of my YouTube page. This is where we have the massive vote to find out the worst Britainain in the world this week so head to head this week you've got from today jess phillips from wednesday dr scholler from tuesday karen bradley and from monday ed miller band greatest britain though nominated by our very own darren donaldson of the dan wooshan outspoken club and it'sK. Rowling in reference to that picture, that brilliant celebration cigar picture. And he says, what a photo, what a journey, what a woman.

Speaking of amazing women, if you're standing by right now, Lady Colin Campbell is with me for the uncancelled after show on Substack. Huge amounts of royal news to talk about. www.outspoken.live if you want to join. We're back tomorrow, 5pm UK time, midday Eastern, 9am Pacific. If you're watching on YouTube or Rumble, hit subscribe. I'm just going to go and try and hibernate and get this hay fever sorted by tomorrow. But most importantly, I promise to keep fighting for you.