Dan Wootton Outspoken - BREAKING: PRINCE HARRY & MEGHAN MARKLE MOVING BACK UK AS MEGXIT IS REVERSED & KING INFORMED

Episode Date: August 19, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:00 2,416 days since I broke this front page, revealing Prince Harry and Meghan Markle were to Megsit the most unhappy royal homecoming in history. Yes, they are on their way back, folks. The dastardly duo, the fake Duke and Duchess, have tonight confirmed a return to the United Kingdom, they informed King Charles on Sunday. Of course, we are going to unpick this story and reveal the truth in a way the mainstream media will not. This is about Prince Harry forcing Meghan Markle to do something she vowed she would never do. She vowed she would never return home. She vowed she would never return home. And here she is coming back to the United Kingdom.
Starting point is 00:01:00 was briefed to the Daily Telegraph and broken at 10pm at the same time as the Sun newspaper. Let me get into the reporting of it now. Exclusive, Harry and Megan plan to move back to Britain. Duke intends to come home with his family this month and has enrolled children in school for September. The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are planning to move back to Britain the telegraph can reveal. The family intends to relocate from the US later this month to a private non-royal residence thought to be outside London. Prince Archie 7, Princess Lilibet 5, the couple's children, are enrolled to start at a British school in September. There are no current plans for either the Duke or Duchess of Sussex to reprise their official working roles within the royal family. However, the move raises the
Starting point is 00:01:58 prospect that they could do so in the future. The king was informed of the news on Sunday. It was not discussed when the Sussex has visited him at Highgrove in July. It is understood, which seems to me like yet another betrayal, and we know what they're like when they're planning big moves. He was said, and this is what you call damning with faint praise, to be naturally pleased for the opportunity to see more of his family on a regular basis, both in private and personal capacity. I'd say, yeah, right, I have a feeling Queen Camilla certainly doesn't agree. However, the King is clear that the Duke and Duchess's status as non-working royals and private individuals in keeping with their previously expressed wishes will remain unchanged.
Starting point is 00:02:49 My addition, for now. The Prince and Princess of Wales have also been informed of the news. The Duke and Duchess's security arrangements have not been disclosed, but there has been no announcement of any change. All of a sudden it makes sense, doesn't it, why Harry has been so determined to force Ravik to change their mind on this? Prince Harry previously made it clear that he would not feel safe bringing his family back to the UK without police protection, something he has been fighting for several years. The British state has so far steadfastly refused to provide him with police support. The couple will retain their homes in Montecito, California and Portugal,
Starting point is 00:03:31 while the Duchess will continue to run her lifestyle brand as ever, which sources insist is thriving from their new base. Sources suggested that the UK would be their primary home for an extended period, although it had not yet been decided whether to make the move permanent. The locations of the home and school have not been made public for prehistory. privacy reasons, although I am hearing already rumours of the Cotswolds in terms of a location of the home. Let's just hope they're not thinking Eaton, although at least there wouldn't be a clash for a few years at least. In terms of the schooling, the decision comes more than six years after
Starting point is 00:04:08 the couple quit royal duties and moved abroad in search of financial independence, agreeing not to use their HRH titles. In a statement released in 2021, following a 12-month review of their situation, Elizabeth Second, confirm that the couple would not continue with the responsibilities and duties that come with the life of public service. She had made it clear that they could not maintain a half-and-half-out approach to royal duties while also pursuing commercial opportunities. The Duke and Duchess responded by saying we can all live a life of service service as universal. What swines. What absolute swines. Harry was stripped of his honorary military titles, but has continued to support a handful of charities. The couple believe they have since proved that the half-and-half-out model
Starting point is 00:04:48 does work. After moving to the US, the Duke and Duchess made a series of incendiary allegations that shook the royal family to its core. They suggested that senior royals were racist by asking questions about the colour of their unborn son's skin. The Duchess of Sussex also revealed that she had suicidal thoughts and had struggled with her mental health after joining the royal family. Well, I'm going to translate that piece of bullshit too. She made up. She spun a story. And by the way, what the Daily Telegraph seems to be forgetting is that Megan and Harry also accused all of us, Brits, who voted for Brexit like me, as being racist scumbags. However, the report goes on. Prince Harry has long made it clear that he misses the UK and is desperate for his children
Starting point is 00:05:30 to experience British life and culture. The move will also enable him to dedicate further time to his charitable organisations, not centre-bali though, of course, because he's been booted from there. His relationship with his father has improved in recent months, with the pair chatting regularly on the phone. When the Duke and Duchess returned to the UK last month, they enjoyed a long-awaited reunion with the King and Queen at High Grove, the monarch's Gloucestershire home. It was a significant moment, and Mark the first time Prince Archie and Princess Illibet had seen their father in four years, the meeting was considered a key step on the road to reconciliation. The Sussexes have already sought to build a house in Europe buying property in Portugal at the prestigious Costa Terra Resort
Starting point is 00:06:08 in Melides. The country is popular with US immigrants and offers the so-called golden visa-granting EU residency in exchange for an investment of at least £216,000, provided the visa holder stay in the country or seven days a year. But I'm now going to bring you some facts. I am going to bring you some facts about what this is really about. The marriage is on its last legs and the money is running out fast. And Meghan Markle did not want to do this. Trust me. However, However, as I have reported here on outspoken because we are on very much ahead on the curve of these things, Harry and Megan were considering putting them on to Cito mansion on the market and they wanted an off-market sale. Hence one of the reasons why they have recently been showing off the redesigned kitchen.
Starting point is 00:07:04 But anyone who thinks that Harry and Megan are doing this because they love the United Kingdom or because they love their family. And they want to spend time with King Charles needs a real wake-up call. And unfortunately, I will also say that this news tonight is very, very bad for the British Royal Family. Prince William has been determined to create a situation where Harry and Meghan would be treated like exiles, would effectively live out their final decades like the Duke of Windsor and Wallace Simpson after the abdication crisis.
Starting point is 00:07:40 No hint of a return, no hint of a royal role, quietly scrubbed from official life to go and live out their final days without damaging the British royal family. By announcing that they are returning to Prince William and Catherine's backyard at a time when the heir to the throne is thinking about the future of the monarchy is a declaration of war. Prince William is going to be under increasing pressure, not just from his father, not just from the British establishment, but from the mainstream media. for there to be some type of Thor in relations with Prince Harry and Meghan Markle, for there to be some type of reunion between the children. And on hearing this news tonight, I just urge Prince William and Catherine to stay strong. The public are with you.
Starting point is 00:08:28 The British public do not want these chances and grifters and no good people who actually have been on a campaign to destroy the British royal family back on British soil. This is a nightmare they may not, they must not win. And that is going to be down to decisions that Prince William and Catherine make. We're bringing you all of the developments on this quite astonishing story in a special edition of Dan Wooten Outspoken Live with a brilliant Royal Superstar Panel to help us through.
Starting point is 00:09:02 It is absolutely brilliant to team up with Royal YouTube Sensation. Brittany, editor of the Royal News Network, alongside Independent Royal Reporter, P. Diner, the long-term Royal Commentator, Richard Fitzwilliam, and the Royal Commentator and columnist for The Spectator, The Daily Telegraph, and G.B. News, Lee Cohen of Tea with Lee. Brittany, they have been planning. They have been plotting. They didn't even tell the king. this has echoes of Megxit. It really does, Dan. This is honestly the worst case scenario.
Starting point is 00:09:43 For the British monarchy, it would be one thing if they had moved to Portugal and Harry was coming more. But this truly is the worst case because this is them firmly setting up their alternative royal court in the UK. They are going to force in their half in half out. And I think looking back at this meeting with Charles and them not telling him,
Starting point is 00:10:01 I think they were gauging how he would react to something like this. trying to figure out how soft he would be, and they're clearly seeing weakness. And they want to pounce because they know if they wait until William is king or if they do it too late, William can basically undo all their royal titles and everything. And the royalty is the only thing that's selling for them. So they desperately need to reestablish this. This will be an absolute nightmare for Catherine and William. It'll be a nightmare for the British monarchy. This is something they do not need. And I'm sure we'll see Harry and Megan during the Sandringham walk. They'll start to insert themselves more and more.
Starting point is 00:10:37 And Charles, as we've seen, especially even inviting Andrew Tubao Moral, has very been very firm that blood is blood. And I think Harry is on his route back in. And I think Megan will probably follow too, as ever, despite her insistence that it's a smashing success, I think has been an abysmal failure. They failed out of Hollywood. We just have to look at cookie queens to see that. And so they're going back, they're going back in their fallback career and slinking back to
Starting point is 00:11:03 the UK. and I can't, I believe it, and yet you don't believe it at the same time, and this is just going to be an absolute mess. Richard Fitzwilliams, this feels like a massive betrayal of King Charles. The fact that they were with him face to face, and he granted this meeting, and they didn't open up about their plans, which at that point were clearly well advanced. They were indeed, and indeed there's also no doubt. that El Spencer, I think, was well advised of this because I was very curious after 29 years
Starting point is 00:11:41 Diana's death and not 30 that his book is coming out in September. So clearly the helping hand is there from the Spencers for this, but it's absolutely sensational. It's absolutely outrageous. It proves, as you, we've just heard, that they've been failures in the United States and we all remember Oprah and as you say quite correctly the lives that was told then of course Harry and Megan their Netflix series which was an enormous success for Netflix and which damned the royal family came next and of course as we all know spare which was full of abysmally chosen laughable items nonetheless extraordinarily successful but are deeply deeply damaging and it puts William and Catherine in an absolutely impossible position.
Starting point is 00:12:32 Because as you correctly say, and I have to say that this is going to be part and parcel of so many weeks and months and perhaps even years, whereby whenever reconciliation, remember there's a rift in families, obviously it's desirable, if possible, to close the rift and move on. In this case, it was very, very difficult, short of some form of apology, and also some sort of organization whereby the world family actually knew what was happening and could respond. Now we know that, in fact, the king was only informed on Sunday, and I'm assuming that he wasn't told or indeed didn't know before. What I wonder, do they expect the royal family to do? I mean, they will be frozen out to begin with.
Starting point is 00:13:20 The polls are hostile. Harry, I think, has over 30%. Megan has, I think, something like 20, perhaps even slightly less. The press are hostile, and every move will be tracked. It will be far from easy. And I think they've been failures, but I think that they have decided
Starting point is 00:13:40 to put the monarchy in an impossible position. Because the king, for example, if we look at Invictus, the king was the head of the armed forces. It's an admirable charity. He will be very prescient to, open it. It's very hard to see, as you say, the establishment, they have undoubtedly got friends there and also a more liberal ethos, which pervades our society. It means that the reconciliation aspect is going to be that which is pushed. But what we've already got here is a crisis. And as you
Starting point is 00:14:12 say, it is a form of war. The problem is that the royal family are, I think, completely unprepared for it. and therefore I have no idea what's going to happen. Indeed. And we do have briefing via the Royal Rota a little bit more information about what the King thinks about this. So Richard, just stand by while I bring you this from Robert Jobson, who is a member of the Royal Rota.
Starting point is 00:14:38 He confirms that the King was first made aware of these plans on Sunday. Sources say he naturally welcomes the opportunity to see more of the Sussex family in a personal and private capacity. But the King is clear that there will be no alteration to the Duke and Duchess's role and status as private individuals and non-working roles in keeping with their clearly expressed wishes and agreement over past years. There is no half in, half-out option. Now, I'm sorry, Richard, this is the King being weak.
Starting point is 00:15:07 I'm just going to say it because the mainstream media will not say it. He says, in keeping with their clearly expressed wishes and agreements over past years, yet they've changed their mind. They've changed their mind, Richard, because they realize they're not making. They're not even invited to the Oscars or the Emmys. So King Charles has to wake up, okay? Because the idea that Harry and Megan are coming back here just to be private citizens is delusional. It simply isn't in accordance with what we know and we know they're ruthless.
Starting point is 00:15:40 I mean, Megan, I agree. I don't think she wants. They're both ruthless. Oh, there is no, I think he's weak. The problem is he's not very talented and she's not very talented and she's not. isn't either, and he's not very bright, but I think she is an intriguer. We've seen proof time and time again where they spring things, where they used to, for example, when members of the royal family were doing X as an engagement, they'd do something else to get publicity. This
Starting point is 00:16:08 clearly shows that their loose cannons, because the confirmation that the King only knew on Sunday makes an absolute nonsense of it, because if they want some form of link with the royal family, which of course is there because of who Harry is, therefore, I mean, it's impossible to deny the fact that they'll be in the country. From that point of view, so much will circulate around them. And of course, as we know, the King is still battling cancer. Catherine has had this remarkable recovery, but they needed time and space to use a quote, to move towards fuller boy. Yeah, but Harry knows time is running out, Richard. I've been saying for a long time, Harry knows that the window is closing because the moment that George comes of age,
Starting point is 00:16:55 which is in about five years time, Harry is a goner. This is his last window of opportunity. Richard Fitzwilliams, thank you so much. Great news. Link Lauren of Spot On with Link Lauren is joining our superstar royal panel now as we try and digest this news. And by the way, we have a live poll running and the results pretty significant. Do you want them to return? 89% of you say no at this point.
Starting point is 00:17:25 And please do keep your comments coming in because I will get to them later in the special edition of the show. So, Link, Lauren, what do you make of this? I mean, it's totally collapsed, hasn't it? Totally collapsed in America. You can't get around this. This was a desperation PR move.
Starting point is 00:17:43 I think they're even broker than we originally thought or imagine. the fact that they're crawling back this fast. I think that last little trip where they snuck in with the kids, that was them laying the foundation. They were laying the groundwork. And I know we've all felt for months now, really the last year or two, I think Megan Markle, she dies inside when she sees how great Princess Catherine is doing,
Starting point is 00:18:05 when she sees how great Prince William is doing, when she sees how they're embraced, and the Kardashians want nothing to do with her, Martha Stewart wants nothing to do with her, Oprah wants nothing to do with her. The Netflix money has run dry. That house is dilapidated, allegedly. And so now they're going crawling back. Okay, and I think Harry and Megan, I think they're going to try to push Archie and Lily bet onto George, Charlotte, and Louis.
Starting point is 00:18:26 I think they want all the cousins to be friends. I think they want the kids to come up in the next generation, just like the Kardashians. You have Northwest and Mason and all the little ones coming up. I think Harry and Megan, that is their plot. But this really just is interesting timing that they have the judgment. He's going to have to owe a lot of money. Their finances don't seem to be in great shape. And their persona on Grata here in the United States.
Starting point is 00:18:47 States, they just aren't that popular anymore. Harry and Megan's stories don't move the needle. This is the biggest story we've had in years. But it goes to show you, Megan Markle stands for nothing because she said these people drove her to want to take her life, that they ruined her mental health, they treated her horribly. She was crying. They had to flee the country. Clearly everything was fine because now you're running back the second you need a little bit of dough and Ph.D. Papa has dough. So they're going back to King Charles. And it's just like clockwork, it's textbook. Everybody can see through it. It's so transparent. But the last thing I'll say, not to hog the floor, I don't think anyone in the UK should trust them again. I don't think
Starting point is 00:19:26 Prince William will ever trust them again. I don't think Catherine. If King Charles wants to let a son back in his life, I understand he's the only parent. I get that. And King Charles, you know, we have some other criticisms of him as well. We love him, but we have some critiques as well with protecting the West. But I just think it's interesting that they're going crawling back now, but no one's going to trust them because they've done tell-all books, reality shows, docu-series, Oprah interviews, everything time and time again. And I just think past behavior is the best indicator of future behavior. Oh my God, you're so right. You are so right.
Starting point is 00:19:58 P. Dina, thank you so much. Are you a little bit happy because it's like, bye-bye? Don't come back. Pete Dine, do you know what I was thinking of though? Do you remember on that last royal ending? engagement in the United Kingdom when Megan Markle said to that little weasel, Omed Scobie, who may have to relocate with his cosmetic surgeon back to this country too. Do you remember? She said to him, I am never coming back. Isn't it funny what a few failures will do?
Starting point is 00:20:35 Yes, that is true, Dan. However, I am of a different mindset. I believe that this, was so abrupt that there was a reason why. And I think it's because Harry is deciding on what he is going to do. Megan, I don't think, is an agreement with this. I don't think she wants to come back. Now, we have to remember a few months ago, reports were talking about how the king was telling Harry, you know, you got to get, you know, a little bit tougher and be the man because, you know, he saw, everyone saw, Megan walking all over him, Harry. I think this was Harry making a very abrupt decision to go back. Just yesterday, reports are talking about how he's going to go back more often to the UK. He was already planning to go to the UK and then come back. And I think something has
Starting point is 00:21:35 happened because they are not aligned in purpose. Don't think is Harry and Megan making this joint decision. This is Harry alone making this decision. And now Megan is going to have to follow because I think there is a problem with this as a couple. They are not in union. 100%. And P. Diner, what have we always said? Because we have reported on the trouble in this marriage in a way that the mainstream media is not prepared to. What have we always said? The biggest risk P Diner for Prince Harry is to want to leave that woman while they are in California because she would get custody of the children and he would not be able to return. So there is a lot going on here, Pete Dina. And I think our big part of this is Harry preparing for his post-divorce world where he has the children in the United Kingdom
Starting point is 00:22:27 because guess what? He's stupid. He's stupid. But when he reads in Vanity Fair, confirmation of a report that I first made, Pete Dina, that his wife is shopping around. a post-divorce autobiography, surely that's when you wake up and you say, I can't stay here. I can't stay here. She is setting me up. He's forcing her. He's forcing her hand. I'm going back with the children.
Starting point is 00:22:51 This is why it was so sudden. This is exactly why it's so sudden. What's Megan going to do if Harry says I'm going back with the kids? What is she going to do? He has every legal right to go back with these children. Megan doesn't want to go. But now her cars have been placed. She doesn't have a chance now.
Starting point is 00:23:08 Because now this is going to be on UK soil when she or Harry decides to leave. Now he's got the upper hand with his family and the children already in school being established within the UK government culture and educational system. So this is something that Megan does not want to do. Lee, I mean, I guess maybe this is one thing that we should celebrate. Harry has forced Megan Markle's hands and he is escaping. He is escaping, Lee. Well, Dan, my only comment on X was Armageddon. I put the telegraph door up and I said Armageddon.
Starting point is 00:23:53 But having said that, it's clear that Megan Markle, the last thing she wants to do is to return to the UK where she will get an even more icy reception than she gets in the United States. And her reception in the United States these days is pretty low. So she, at every turn, I think there's going to be peril for her. So I am completely in agreements with you and P. Dina that, you know, there's trouble between them. You know, I have to say, I feel for the king because this is something that could really be so stressful for him
Starting point is 00:24:32 in the health crisis that he is enduring, that it's really too much to bear. And, you know, you talked about the exile of the Duke and Duchess of Windsor. You know, the one thing that we can say is that after a certain time, when the Duke was crying poor all the time and, you know, was constantly telling his brother, George the 6th,
Starting point is 00:24:57 that he needed more money, that they didn't constantly throw it in the, face of the monarchy. I mean, this is such a brazen and malevolent move to move back after all of the unforgivable actions, behaviors, and words that were spoken. And, Dan, they are unforgivable that this son who was a traitor to his country and his birthright to his royal birthright is going to reestablish himself over there against the wishes of probably everyone, you know, the monarchy, the people, the government. It's just unthinkable. And Armageddon is the only thing that I can think of to sum this up succinctly. Yeah. And by the way,
Starting point is 00:25:47 I just hope that the Royal Rotar and the mainstream media in the UK are happy. Happy that you've been doing, Prince Harry and Megan's bidding, because you got your little coordinated press release. You know, we saw it at 10pm. It all dropped at the same time. You're all claiming that it's exclusive. You're all using the same language. You're all avoiding the problems in Prince Harry and Megan's Markle's marriage. Like, I see you. I know what's going on, but I still will read you the propaganda.
Starting point is 00:26:15 And it is propaganda because let's see how closely the Sun's story, which they claim to be a world exclusive, matches up with the Daily Telegraphs reporting this from their royal editor, Matt Wilkinson, who reports Prince Harry and wife, Megan Markle are moving back to the UK six years after leaving for the US. they will make the shock return at the end of August for an extended period with kids Archie and Lily enrolling at school here. Now this is a game that they use. I remember when I wrote the story of Megxit in 2020, I was briefed at the time. Well, you know, it's for an extended period. No, they're moving. You know, you don't enroll your kids in another country if you're not moving.
Starting point is 00:26:50 The Sussexes who had a reunion with King Charles last month. The Sun Report goes on have found a new home in the UK. Their relocation raises questions over the future of the 2020 Sandronym Agreement dubbed Megsit. Charles was told on Sunday that his son and daughter-in-law are returning to Britain. The Sussex will move into non-royal residents and will not be working royals, but will continue with their business enterprises. Goody, they're going to be selling spread here. Despite the fact they must have been planning the move for weeks, if not months. The pair did not raise the prospect of a return when they met Charles and Camilla at High Grove in July. However, it is understood the 77-year-old King is welcoming the opportunity to see more of the family in a private capacity. Harry was already due to
Starting point is 00:27:34 visit the UK in mid-September for his patronages, including a Wellchild Awards bash, and would have been offered a Buckingham Palace room. But sources have confirmed the whole family will now return earlier at the end of this month. They are expected to remain in Britain while Archie and Lily are in education and they will retain their £11 million home in Montecito, California and Portugal bolthole. For now, trust me, the Montecito home will go. on the market. They cannot afford it. Okay? Like, again, we've just got a deal in facts here. They cannot afford it. And they especially cannot afford it if they're not living in it. Their return comes six years after Megasit when Harry and Megan stepped down as working
Starting point is 00:28:10 royals slamming Britain on their way out. It also raises questions over the January 2020 Sandrine and a Magriam agreement, which ruled the couple could not juggle being working royals while earning private sector money. It is understood Harry and Megan will not receive any money from the public purse while back in the UK and that he will not undertake any official royal duties. say if there are discussions on any future role for him, it would need to take place between him and his father. So again, like, wake up. They're already briefing that he wants an official role. Oh, I'm going mad. Both Archie and Lily can start in UK education in September. He is at prep school age and she is eligible for year one. Sussex sources would not reveal where they will be
Starting point is 00:28:46 enrolled nor where the family is living sight and privacy and security reasons. However, the son understands the family new accommodation is not a royal property. I've heard it may be around the Cotswolds. That is the speculation. at least. It is unclear if they have bought their UK home or will rent. It is also unclear whether the family has been given security assurances and whether the financial burden will fall on taxpayers. Harry has previously claimed it was unsafe to bring his family back home. He has fought a multi-million pound legal campaign to force the government to return his 24-hour armed guards. After a devastating court loss 18 months ago, he said, I can't see a world in which I would
Starting point is 00:29:21 bring my wife and children back to the UK at this point. Well, as I say, it is amazing to see what a host of failures will do, Brittany. But I just put it to you that if we, the British taxpayer, end up paying for this couple, the popularity of the British government and the British royal family will plummet. This is a hill that we will die on. I completely agree, Dan.
Starting point is 00:29:53 This is horrible for the British taxpayers for sure, because we just don't know what any of this entails at this point. Of course, Harry and Megan have sprung this on people. And this is how they operate. They kind of move and surprise so that way they can kind of try to force things in rather than letting things happen naturally. But I think this sudden move back to the UK just proves that all of Harry's whining about security was really a lie at the end of the day. He could perfectly bring his family back to the UK very safely before. And now all of a sudden, he's completely about faced.
Starting point is 00:30:26 And so he was just obviously lying. He was trying to get his way. It didn't work. And in order to get security, I think Harry will come back on bended knee. And I think he will be reinstated probably as a working royal. I think that is his end goal. I think Charles is weak to that option. And so I think he'll probably allow that.
Starting point is 00:30:45 Megan may go down that same track as well. Because again, let's be honest, they are moving not because they're successes, but because they are failures. They have failed on multiple levels. and they don't know where else to go or what to do. And so to reestablish their royal roles is so critical, especially for their children. I think this is even more for their children to reestablish that they are a prince and princess and keep that going because they are very afraid of the reign of Prince William coming up.
Starting point is 00:31:12 They're very afraid of King William. And so they're going to try to do the best they can to maneuver. And this is definitely Harry and Megan to a tee. They are very quickly trying to establish themselves, trying to outpace, Royals. And this is why Charles, I think, during his reign has been a bit problematic because he's always reactionary. He's not proactive. If he had proactively stripped Harry and Megan of everything before this, we would not be having this problem. Harry and Megan would know that there's no route back in the UK. But instead, he languished too long and Harry and Megan forced his hand
Starting point is 00:31:44 as they did with their kids' titles. And so I think we will see more of this. This again is an absolute worst case scenario, especially for Prince William. Yeah. And can I just say, can I just say, And, you know, some of us we talk politics, Lee and Link in particular. And can I just say, like, no Americans, Lee and Link, I know you're Anglophiles, right? But no Americans are choosing to relocate to the UK at the moment. Like, this country is in deep, deep, dark trouble. There is an Islamist takeover going on. The streets are not safe.
Starting point is 00:32:20 No one is choosing to move back. So there is a lot behind this, and I think we are getting to the reality of it. I do want to come to some of the more amusing reactions, though, on X right now. Calvin McKenzie writing The Telegraph is reporting that Prince Harry and Megan Markler moving back to the UK and have enrolled their two children in school for September. Megan must face the significant risk of being booed when out in public. Home for the couple will be a non-royal household outside London. The King was told on Sunday, William and Kate had been in a...
Starting point is 00:32:52 informed the reason for the move has not been disclosed. I'm sure the switch will not be welcomed by the vast majority of the country which hated Megan's snooty and dismissive attitude to our much-loved royals. Of course, we remember, don't we? The horrible, curtly moment where she mocked the Queen on Netflix. In briefings, it has been made clear Charles still views them as non-royal, but I presume if they behave, they may come back into the fold. I imagine all the pots of money, Netflix, etc. have been drained in the US and therefore Harry and Megan sought pastures. Now, what's interesting about Calvin McKenzie is that he is the most legendary editor of the Sun newspaper. He is the man who has his finger on the pulse of the British public.
Starting point is 00:33:31 He believes Meghan Markle will be booed when out in public. Piers Morgan with an amusing repost. I may have to emigrate to the US. Actually, that would sort of be a fair trade. You know, bye, Pearce. I'm happy with that. You go and we'll take them. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:33:46 I'd still probably prefer peers, if I'm being honest. I would probably prefer pairs. Alex Armstrong of G.B. News has made a good point. Harry and Megan's publicly stated criticisms of the UK Royals and institutions. In Oprah, 2021, they said an unnamed senior royal express concern about how dark archie's skin colour might be. Megan stated her suicidal thoughts were not taken seriously by the institution. And there was so much more.
Starting point is 00:34:07 I mean, let's be honest about it. They called us racist. They called us racist for voting Brexit. That was one of the key points of the Netflix documentary. Michael Knowles, a big US commentators way in and now saying, condolences to His Majesty King Charles. What is the Sussex squad thinking, though, Mizner and Dekore? The country's biggest race baiter these days, writing, the Duchess needs protecting at all costs. Oh my God, you're not going to leave this. Especially after what the vultures did to Professor Jason Ardei.
Starting point is 00:34:38 And then in a direct reply to me, she writes, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, the Duchess needs protection from you vultures. you mean. And Link Lauren, this is what they're going to do. This is what they're going to do. The Sussex Squad are going to use the tragic case of the Cambridge University professor, Jason R. Day, who took his own life after being exposed for being a fantasy. They are going to use his tragic case as a suggestion that Meghan, Markle and Prince Harry need government-funded security. It's like, that's all they've got left. The hardcore leftists. I got a text from a friend of mine in Montecito, and I'm trying to cover the name, but he says, and we say, bye, and it's the headline of them.
Starting point is 00:35:29 Everyone in Montecito is so happy to see them go, and these people are rich, honey, they are rich. Okay, not Megan Markle, you know, selling Wickless Candles. Bye, bye, everybody's happy to see them go in Montecito. I can't believe you're on text terms with Gwyneth Paltrow. Mother Goop, she would never send, she would never send me a Wickless Candle. She would send me a vagina candle. But no, no, they should not be getting taxpayer-funded security anywhere, okay? If y'all have allegedly made all this money from Netflix and all these side deals and who knows what other deals they've got going on,
Starting point is 00:36:01 when you're someone like Prince Harry, rich people just give you money all the time, whether it's Silicon Valley or whatever deals you have going on, you know, a lot of that mental health stuff he's involved in, I feel, could be fraudulent. I know he also wants his father involved in the Invictus games, and that's why he was going back to the UK in September anyway. anyway. He wants his father back in the fold, and it is because they need money. And they're going to be pushing those kids titles. Megan is still continued using her H.R.H. Duchess of Sussex title to sell her jams and her jellies and her spreads and her flower sprinkles. So this is just going to take it to another level. But it's going to be more to fine. It's going to be more to fine because
Starting point is 00:36:39 she's now going to try and do the UK version of Was Never. And it ain't going to work. It ain't going to work. Lee, I wanted to share with you the words of Alfred and Alison Pearson, who is pretty much the only newspaper columnist in the United Kingdom mainstream who I trust these days. She knows what the British public feel about these things. And she has just posted, who wants Harry and Megan back in the UK? How is it supposed to work? Are they planning on making quasi-royal visits? In which case they undermine the Prince and Princess of Wales, who cordially loathe them. What happened to Britain?
Starting point is 00:37:18 Being a ghastly, racist country, madam. Couldn't stand living in. Are they expecting to spend Christmas at Sandrine and welcome back into the bosom of the family? They trashed. That will work well. Just imagine the cold, dark stare from Princess Anne across the other side of the room.
Starting point is 00:37:35 They will embarrass the king when he's seriously ill, but they don't care. The Marcos know that when William ascends the throne They're out. Kids struck from the line of succession, so they're desperately trying to crawl back into favor while Harry's father is still alive. It's a high-stakes gamble. Harry is no longer popular, and Megan is widely despised. It's going to be a car crash, isn't it? She's rightly. It's a car crash, all right? But, you know, what's really difficult and unfathomable is that, I understand that the king has a kind heart and he loves his son, but he has a responsibility
Starting point is 00:38:18 toward upholding the continuity of the monarchy. And to a certain extent, the monarch, even though the monarch is woven into the constitution, it serves to a certain extent at the whim of the people. And if he loses the faith of the people by welcoming Harry and Megan back into the fold on their terms, then I don't think anyone is going to be able to respect the monarchy. And then in that case, you know, I really don't like to criticize the king because I believe in the monarchical system. And, you know, this is what we have. I disagree with certain decisions. but on the whole, you know, I feel he's doing his best and I feel he's inspirational for carrying on in the face of his health challenges.
Starting point is 00:39:15 Having said that, I will not be able to wait for the reign of William if Harry and Megan are welcomed back as full working royals after the unforgivable, bridge burning, permanent, horrible behavior. deeds and words that they committed against the royal family, against the institution that may well back. Well, look, I just want to ask you all, actually, are we just prepared to start saying now the king has effed up bad? Like, I agree with Lee. I agree with Lee. Okay.
Starting point is 00:39:54 We respect the fact that he has continued with his duties at a high-throttled pace while dealing with terminal cancer. and I found Queen Camilla's interview today very touching, actually. I really do. But let's just park that. Because we've got a monarchy to save. And are, like, are we all prepared to call out the king here? How do you all feel about it?
Starting point is 00:40:18 Because I know there's a debate about this, some commentators don't want to, but I am prepared to sit here and say, King Charles, you have a louder situation where Harry and Megan are returning to the UK and putting the future of the monarchy at threat. You have failed. Like, that's a failure. But don't you think, if I could take the floor, maybe Harry and Megan are making the argument to King Charles,
Starting point is 00:40:42 hey, we need to modernize the monarchy. That was sort of the argument back in the day, right? Megan Markle, she's mixed race, woman of color, she has these interests. Maybe we modernize the monarchy. And King Charles has always had that sort of like liberal streak in him, right? He's always been about diversity, DEI and all these things. And we can see it now with some of his policies and some of the things he's pushing. And so maybe they're coming in thinking that they can actually help modernize the monarchy,
Starting point is 00:41:07 and that might be their pitch to King Charles. Now it's delusional. It's not going to work. But I'm even looking at the People Magazine thing in the statement, which I imagine they worked on very closely, they expressed that they don't like this White House and that they don't like what could happen with the midterms. And that's part of the reason they're moving. So this politicization is part of the reason they're moving in general. And so maybe they're going to try and paint themselves as assets to King Charles.
Starting point is 00:41:31 right in a way. Yeah, that is how they're going to try and spit it. But can I just, look, I've also got to show you some of the mainstream coverage of this in the UK because it's effing nuts. It is effing nuts. But I just want to show around the world the Sussex squad are out and forced tonight. And there is a coordinated campaign to suggest, and this is via a woman called Nina Mishkoff, but she isn't some like person on the internet,
Starting point is 00:42:03 like she is making this claim on GB News, the show that I used to present, the number one news channel in the UK, which has gone rolling on this story, she is suggesting that it should be King Henry, that there should be a way for William to be passed over and Harry to become king. Now, of course, the only way that could happen
Starting point is 00:42:23 would be a major tragedy given that George and Charlotte and Louis sit above. Harry in the line of succession. But what I'm just trying to explain is these people are nuts. They are mad. And again, Angela Levin has been reporting on Outspoken for many, many years, that fundamentally at their core, Harry and Megan still believe that there is a chance for them one day to be king and queen. Now, I know, how does that happen? You don't even want to think about it. But this is an argument that has been put forward by Nina Mishkoff on live TV, on GB News tonight. You can listen for yourself.
Starting point is 00:42:59 And they're not coming back as working roles, but I bet you, after the Invictus games, Harry will be. He is, I'm sure Cameron will confirm this. I've not seen him in person, I've never met him. But the way he handles the crowd, the ability, the affinity he has with people, that's like his mother. And he is a natural performer. Unlike William, who is, in my eyes, kind of entitled and rather pompous. and I have said for a long time now that what I would like to see is Henry the 9th.
Starting point is 00:43:36 Right. You'd actually, you'd make him king. I would. So like, Brittany, they are nuts. But like that is mainstream British coverage of this story, Henry the 9th. So... It's crazy. Sorry, it's crazy, Dan. And there definitely is this sentiment among some people that Megan Markle deserves to be on the Buckingham Palace balcony or part of the royal family,
Starting point is 00:44:01 just for tokenism, just because she fits the DEI mold and she will be able to reach out to the Commonwealth. I mean, that was part of the pitch. And that's what some people cling to. It's very much sort of the Jason Ardei situation. And we saw how that turned out. It just doesn't work. Something naturally and organic, yes, but this whole situation sort of boils down to that Harry and Megan, of course, desperately need to have this royal connection. And the idea that he could become King Henry the 9th is just utterly insane. It makes no sense. Like you would have to have a catastrophic something happened for that to be possible. And of course, nobody wants that at all. Yeah, exactly. And Harry's not even popular.
Starting point is 00:44:48 But you know, the thing is this is macabre, but like they daydream about that. They daydream about that and it's like you sickos, you sick bastards. Like that means your brother dying, your nephew, your two nephews dying, your niece die, but they dream of that. But the other thing that's really interesting in that they're pushing, and we're going to get a lot of this too. And so Pete Diner, I need you to spit some facts on this. They are pushing the idea. And again, this is all coordinated at Sussex Squad, Nina Mishkoff, big member of the Sussex Squad alongside Norinda Kor. Not only are they suggesting that Harry and Megan are in love, and that there are no troubles in the marriage,
Starting point is 00:45:25 which we know as complete poppycock. They are also trying to suggest that there are troubles in the marriage of William and Catherine. Listen carefully to this because she does it right here. This is on live UK TV, GBC News tonight. You can see that they're in love. You can see them. You can just see by the body language
Starting point is 00:45:44 when you see them together. They are still a couple in love. You look at Kate and William. It's a different story. They are very much in love, the Prince and Princess of Wales. so I can confirm that one. See, Pete Diner, this is their narrative.
Starting point is 00:46:00 These people are delusional. I mean, I think that's just what they are wishing and hoping for. They want to talk Harry and Megan into like this magical couple that is so in love. Look, the reality is with all the problems that Harry and Megan have had, the average couple would have marital problems, okay? You put it to a couple that is very global, that is being criticized and has failed on a world stage. Just imagine how much more your marriage is going to be compromised. So I don't believe that one bit is a lie.
Starting point is 00:46:40 And you just wait and see, because I'm telling you, Dan, something about this announcement does not feel right to me. It does not feel right. because Harry was just talking about going back in September. Now your whole family is coming. There is something that is so wrong that we don't know about. This is why it seems it's this breaking news right now because there is something that is off. And we need to figure out what has been happening to understand
Starting point is 00:47:09 why this has happened now. Okay. Oh, totally. There is a real story and it involves the marriage of that. I am completely convinced. Now, Link, Lauren, I'm a bit gutted because you were Donald Trump a few hours ago, and I am just so desperate, Link, for you to put the question because he will be delighted. I was like, should I call him and see like, hey, because you know, everyone calls him.
Starting point is 00:47:39 Like, should I call him and see if we can get him on record for this? But I think I'll leave him alone for the night. I just have to say a few things. You know, we were speaking about some horrible event that would happen. I believe Megan Markle could go full sociopath, Glenn Close and Fatal Attraction. If she invites them over for dinner, she could be putting something in the food.
Starting point is 00:47:57 I don't trust her, okay? She is willing to do whatever it takes to cling to power. And I don't think that that marriage is happy. I think something is rotten in Denmark, and they want to cast aspersions onto William and Catherine's marriage. They've been married a long time, a lot longer. They have three kids. They do a lot of public royal engagements and duties every single day.
Starting point is 00:48:17 No marriage is perfect, but I've seen these stories boiling up for weeks and weeks and weeks. I also feel, and I have no sourcing on this, but on the internet and on social media, we've seen a resurgence of like Chelsea Davy, who was Prince Harry's ex-girlfriend, and we've seen some of his exes back on social media and how happy they are. The love of his life, the love of his life, the one that got away. The love of his life. And I just have felt for a while Harry misses the UK. I've said it on my podcast and on my content.
Starting point is 00:48:43 There's something about Harry where I feel like he misses the UK. and I think seeing his ex on social media being happy, and he's got to go, he's got to lay the foundation. I do think there could be a possibility. It would take a lot of time and a lot of PR and rehabilitation. But if Prince Harry does divorce her and some time goes by and the dust settles, maybe he can express contrition and say, you know, he was PW'd, he was just, you know, dignitized or something,
Starting point is 00:49:09 he didn't know what he was thinking. I think the royal folks and the folks in the UK, because he is Princess Diana's youngest son, He was so beloved. Some of them would take him back. The last element I want to bring up, next year is also the 30th anniversary of Diana's death. Now, as we all suspect, they are going to do something
Starting point is 00:49:26 to capitalize on Diana's passing, the 30th anniversary especially. And so it's interesting timing that they're going back to the UK and rolling the kids in school in time for that. So I think this is just their last grasp at fame, at publicity. And I think Harry genuinely misses being a big fish in a big pond.
Starting point is 00:49:46 in the UK and he hasn't had that in the US. I think he likes to go out and, you know, he did say, I would never bring my kids back to the UK or it's not safe for them. But then he was out ringing doorbells in the middle of day. Remember, he was caught on camera like Nancy Guthrie's killer, like on the ring camera. So I think Prince Harry is full of crap. He seems to be able to love, you know, walking around London. Brittany, you have got some real juice. This is amazing. you have just figured out that Megan Markle was telling us all about what was coming with this ludicrous, ludicrous post. So three hours ago, okay, let's get to this, Brittany.
Starting point is 00:50:24 So three hours ago, you posted, is this real? And look, it was this bizarre as ever plug for peppermint tea, right? And everyone was like, what is going on? This is so weird. Like, there's real tea leaves in it. But clearly we now know. She thinks she's bloody Taylor Swift. She thinks she's the Taylor Swift of the royal family.
Starting point is 00:50:47 I guess Megan was giving us a hint that the tea of their move was about to come out. She's anything but subtle. Yeah, she is not subtle at all. I mean, the choice of tea, she has hardly ever really focused on tea in her as ever, like the Instagram or anything like that. She hardly focuses on it. So for her to do that today is definitely a sign that this news was coming out. she was prepping for it. But when it comes to the statement through that as ever is doing great
Starting point is 00:51:18 and whatever, like that is just simply wrong. I actually calculated today. I've gotten eight emails from as ever just this month, which is the same as July. She's posting more. She's trying to generate buzz. And I don't think this brand is moving at all. So as a reminder, like, she's failed there. She's failed as a producer. She's failed as creative. And so her route now is back to the UK. She's probably going to try to pull in some British angles to as ever now and see if that works. Probably try to launch it in the UK as well. And it may do okay. But just honestly, she's not popular anywhere she goes.
Starting point is 00:51:54 So I don't think, I don't know how she thinks she's going to get a foothold. Shut it down. Shut it down. I want was never closed. Look, we've got Jobbo with us. Robert Jobson with us, Jobbo. We were just quoting your brilliant reporting on your substack a few moments ago. during the special live broadcast.
Starting point is 00:52:14 I mean, they didn't even tell King Charles at Highgrove, for real? Well, I suspect they must have done something, but I mean, that's the line that's coming out that he didn't know about it. So that's what the palace are telling you? Well, not the palace as such, but people from inside. It does pour a little bit of interest over why Clive Auditor went, doesn't it? The Wasp. It does suggest something.
Starting point is 00:52:40 thing in my opinion that he must have known something was coming up and that's why he he went and there's no way that clive can necessarily work with with harry the other thing is this talk that there's not going to be a continuation of it being half in half out well come on guys what's it going to be they're going to have to try and embrace him because you know it's better to have him on the tent on the inside than to be on the outside because they'll have no control and he already is very vocal in what he says, you know, he's going to be completely off-grid, he's going to be saying things that are going to be creating problems. It's a bit like the old King Duke of Windsor coming back after the abdication and saying, oh, I'm down in Wales now. Something's got to be done again
Starting point is 00:53:23 and creating mayhem. So something has got to be done in terms of the organisation of this. I can't imagine that William is too impressed with this whatsoever. I think that's, I think you've just made the understatement of the millennium, job. Yeah, I just can't imagine that they're going to be wanting to say, oh, you know, there's going to be an official visit by Prince William to an event somewhere. And then the next minute, you know, Harry and Megan turned up, crouching down dynastile in a kid's school. They're going to have to get some handle on this by just saying, oh, it's not half in, half out. Look, he already describes himself as a Prince of England. You know, he's still in the line of succession. He's never apologized to either the king or
Starting point is 00:54:08 to his brother, or to the people that he let down and attacked, the people that he expects. He called us racist. You know, he called everyone racist and said there was no respect, you know, caring for the mental health. Look, I think they've got a real problem now. The monarchy is going to be looking like a circus unless they can get hold of this. But how do they get hold of it? The king seems to have just nodded this through. They have to, under this rain, they have to try to bring him.
Starting point is 00:54:38 inside the tent. Otherwise, it's out of control. But that's exactly what he wants. Exactly, but that's exactly what they're going to probably have to do. And the problem otherwise, is they've got no control. They have no control over what this couple do. They've just made a complete mess of this so-called, you know, freedom flight and their love it, life in America. They've trashed the royal family and they've trashed. I still can't get over it. I still can't get over that mocking of the late queen when she was so ill by Megan. But you know when Megan steps out, what's going to happen at Christmas? Are they, this is the man who's fifth in, you know, is in line to the throne still. You know, we had the fab four at San Diego before. It's going to be
Starting point is 00:55:25 the fab fallout. It's going to be great work for people that read, these people that read lips or people that can check out what the body language is saying. But Jobbo, surely William then just says no, and this is the problem. Harry and Megan are going to divide the monarchy. Well, I think they are. I don't see a situation. Do you? I do not see a situation. Tell me if you disagree, but from all of my reporting on this, I do not see a situation where Prince William and Catherine agreed to take George, Charlotte and Louis to Sandrine them at Christmas if Harry, Megan and the children are going to be there. I just think he says, and they'll spend it with the Middletons. They'll spend it with the Middletons again.
Starting point is 00:56:02 Quite right as well. And hence you have, as I've been writing about, you know, a crown divided. This is going to be the biggest schism in the royal family since the abdication. And so this is a real problem. It's a bigger problem now that it was when they left, when you broke the story on Brexit. It's a bigger problem now because of all the water that's gone under the bridge, all that's been said with no apology.
Starting point is 00:56:24 And we know that William and Harry are not even in conversations, are not even having conversations at the moment. Maybe the king and his doges and he's thinking, it's better that we can start working on. reconciliation if he's here. And I'm sure probably that's what Harry wants because Harry needs it. You know, he needs that. He needs not only to be able to get money from his father and half in half out,
Starting point is 00:56:48 he needs to be seen as relevant, but he also needs to know what's going to happen once his father's no longer here and his man living with cancer. And he probably realizes his best bet is to try and reconcile with his brother, who of course doesn't want it. But if he's been, he's forced his way back into the fold with his. father, will his father be trying to get some sort of reconciliation with William? It creates a circus. Everything to do with this guy is a circus. And what we are now seeing is the monarchy
Starting point is 00:57:18 being turned into a showbiz family. It's now, to me, becoming almost like a Kardashian, you know, series. And they're forgetting what the monarchy is all about. And the king has made a mistake in allowing him back. I'm disgusted. I'm completely disgusted. Job. Can I just ask you about the practicalities of covering this return. Obviously, you remain part of the Royal Rota. At the moment, do you think there's going to be any sort of deal that is done by Royal Rota reporters to not picture, for example, the children? I mean, surely they're going to have to accept if they're living in the United Kingdom, they're in the line of succession. You can't keep their faces covered up, you absolute weirdo freaks, not talking about the children,
Starting point is 00:58:01 talking about their parents. Well, I think the children, I think the children will be, there won't be an issue because that's covered by, that's covered by the system, you know, that's in place that is self-governing. The media won't be printed pictures of children. But if, but I think for, you know, you can't not print pictures of Megan and Harry and what's going to happen about the security. I mean, are they going to, I can, I know what's going to happen. We're going to have a scene that goes, I mean, we had the New York situation where they were
Starting point is 00:58:30 allegedly chased through the streets of New York. and of course we know the traffic does barely move in New York and so that was an old baloney so what's going to happen here is going to be a situation where the owner paparazzi take photographs of Megan Harry's going to say her safety is in problem is a problem and we're going to have all that again
Starting point is 00:58:50 and guess what year it's going to be approaching the 30th anniversary of Diana's death again daggers pointed towards the press the evil press the evil messenger that's probably the way he's going to go with it But we have to wait and see, but it does create, it creates a lot of interest for the likes of you and me and all your other fellow guests. I still don't want it. I still don't want it. Honestly, I don't want it. And I'll tell you why, right? Because deep down, I want to protect the British monarchy. And I really truly believe in William and Catherine's mission. Yeah, but imagine, you know, they've got to protect themselves. And I think, unfortunately, they should have followed the Queen's lead, the late Queen's lead. It's no good. You know, they openly mocked the late queen,
Starting point is 00:59:36 and I think the attack on her, the disrespect was appalling. But that said, now, if he wants to draw a sum to learn, he has to apologize, but he's not going to. And that's a brilliant star, Harry. Honestly, Harry needs to be at a podium with his wife at his side, issuing a groveling, a grovelling apology. I actually want to see them, their knees apologising to the British people and it will not happen. It will not happen. But Dan,
Starting point is 01:00:08 this is turning the British monarchy into a poppy show and the reality is, the reality is Harry is going to continue wanting to do, you know, his charity work fine. And so, Megan, they're going to be clashing in engagements. You watch what happens. If they're not on the inside in some form, the grid will all go to pot and say, say, the Queen or Charles or or a William more than, lightly as turns up an event. There'll be a sudden mercy mission with a photo photographer, probably for the telegraph, because they seem to be on side, bizarrely, with the Sussexes, you know, taking pictures of Megan crouching, diner-esque, you know, in front of these little children. All of this stuff is going to happen. I feel that they're holding a gun to the king's head,
Starting point is 01:00:52 really, and they're going to try to make some sort of deal where they can come back in some sort form not just half in half out but pretty much back in and I'm not sure that many people will be very happy about that I'm certainly find it very odd you're going to get a lot of problem I think whereas they can also get this reporting the daily mail you can't see I've just won a huge case against um against uh Harry and I'm sure every penny that they've got for that for the when he has to pay that money out will be spent on stories about Harry and Megan so look my feet My feeling is this is the biggest issue here is what William does now. And I'm sure as he's sitting down at having, watching reruns Vaston Villa's victories.
Starting point is 01:01:40 To try and cheer him out. He's probably sit there with a bulk glass of cider and thinking, what do I do next? The good thing about William is that he's like the late queen, not like his father, he's like the late queen. He's very pragmatic. He looks at the bigger picture. but I think that the one thing that Harry's got on his side, the only thing he's got on his side when it comes to William is he's not Andrew.
Starting point is 01:02:05 So, you know, that's about the positives. That's it. That's the only thing you've got going for your mate. Look, I actually don't apologise for the fact I'm losing my shit because I'm actually so wound up. So can you just help me? Can you just help me cheer me up today? Because do you know we are less than 1,000 subscribers?
Starting point is 01:02:25 away from hitting 750,000 subscribers. So why don't you just subscribe? Cheer me up. I'm in a foul mood, okay? Cheer me up. Please do subscribe. Get us to 750,000. I want to get to your superchats too.
Starting point is 01:02:38 Let me tell you. When Harry and Megan come back, you're going to pop over a million very, very soon, I can tell you. I promise you, this is going to be one hell of a roll. Should I be their one-man welcoming committee at the airport? Boom! Go home, stay away.
Starting point is 01:02:57 Seriously. You're not sure that they were leaving. Now you're going to have to just get to over a million. In a repayment, they're going to get you over a million subscribers. Well, that would be the only positive. Trust me. Lots of superchats coming into. I just want to get to them quickly.
Starting point is 01:03:10 Sue Prove, who is number two today. Thank you, Sue, for all of your support. Sue writes, no wonder the Camilla interview about cancer was today, just a PR step to divert. This is a disaster, especially for William and Catherine. Megan Markle will use her kids to. spy on the whales, yes. Oh, that's a little bit of half. Well, do you know what, Chauvel? Do you know what? I put nothing past them. Witterbird 84, who's number three today. So thank you, Witterbird, says South Park, the
Starting point is 01:03:37 worldwide privacy, 100% new Halloween. Janus Girl 53i says Charles has no backbone. He's spineless. C-Pol 7785. I wonder what Oprah is thinking right now. From Paula Peterson, 4357. Princess Catherine does not need this stress. Charles has just lost all respect. Lynn Wellesby 6-1-2-2 says what will happen to Doria or has she been marcled too? Oh God. She's coming. She's coming. Her yoga mat. She's coming. She never won the World Cup, but she's coming home. Bonnie Cody. Who gets to keep Marcus Anderson? Where is he going? I have a lot of question. I don't want him back either. Bonnie Cody D1V says, sympathies to the people of the United Kingdom, the grifters are on their way back. Rick Woods, W1F.
Starting point is 01:04:28 Right now, Dad or not, if I was William, I'd be going acoplactic with rage beyond comprehension. E. Todd, 568, says, if Meg's had no title, she would not come back. Christine Marson, 194, like the way you're thinking, Christine. Earl Spencer is key to this. He signalled this in his eulogy at Diana's funeral. Well, I did say on the show earlier, I think the publication of his book is sort of of clearing the way for Harry to release his next year or his documentary. Lady Alien 318 says Megan is a disgusting human bee.
Starting point is 01:04:59 The way she disrespected our late, Queen was utterly repulsive. Top Ravensbrook says, I agree with Dan. There's reeks of desperation. I don't think they have anything left in Hollywood. And Harry is panic-stricken. This is not going to work for them either. No one wants them here. And Ox 2551 says this moves gives credibility to Lady C's information that Harry is having an affair in Montecita.
Starting point is 01:05:21 Well, she said it was, you know, she said it was a close friendship, shall we just say. They are relocating back to England to create distance between H and his new lover. Now, by the way, you can see our subscribe account in the top right corner of the screen. So help a brother out. Let's get us to 750,000. Oh, KRA8-2. Thank you for the super chat. Hopefully it will speed up the divorce.
Starting point is 01:05:48 I mean, Jobbo, what did you make of this El Spencer book? because this feels coordinated to me. It's almost like, oh, I'm going to take all of the attention for the 29th anniversary and then Harry for the 30th, it's over to you. And it's okay because if her own brother is cashing in on her legacy, then what's wrong with her son doing so? Yeah, a bit like that. Although I must say, and I know Spencer, is that he's a very good writer,
Starting point is 01:06:14 and it's 29, 30 years going to be next year of Dinah's death. I think if, as somebody who's into history, I think that I'd like to hear his perspective, to be honest. It's not like he's doing it within five years or something like that or short time. I'd like to hear his perspective, particularly when it comes to the Bashir stuff, because, of course, it was him that was conned by Bashir
Starting point is 01:06:36 and the BBC that managed to con Diana. So I'd like to hear about that. There's certain things I'd like to hear about from his perspective too. So, yeah, I really don't have a problem with books. I really don't. I think that she is a historic figure. And I think you get a visualist view of history. What Harry will be doing, I don't really know,
Starting point is 01:06:56 because he was a kid when his mother died. So he wouldn't really know an awful lot, really. He only knew from his child perspective. But I would like to hear him from Spencer. Yeah, I would. I don't have an issue with it. Lee, what do you think about it? Is it a betrayal?
Starting point is 01:07:12 It's definitely betrayal. and, you know, why is it that Prince William is the only one who is not, you know, trying to exploit his mother's death? His brother is, and it seems that her brother is. But, Dan, I'd like to ask you and Robert and the rest of the panel, a couple things in that. One is that we heard from the Telegraph article. that the king might have known as early as Sunday. And was there nothing that the royal publicity machine could do to preempt this? Would it not have been in their interests to do so?
Starting point is 01:08:02 Are they so impotent that they just have to let these insults and assaults just roll out and just take it? And how long is that going to continue to happen? I'd love to hear what you and Robert O'Connell think of that. Yeah, well, I think, to be honest, you've hit them out of the head. I just shows you that they had no idea how to deal with it. And they're still reeling from it. That's the point. What if this is their way of dealing with it, though?
Starting point is 01:08:37 Like maybe William and Catherine just staying demure and staying quiet and continuing to do their job just ignore it because if they say something it's just going to amplify Harry and Megan and give them the press they want. They could just ignore and keep acting like they never even came back, Rob. You know what I'm saying? I think they probably really will, actually. I think they're probably trying to right above it. But the king is in a difficult position, isn't he? Because it's sort of on his, it's on his watch that they come back. And he's, you know, he is the king and he could probably say, well, I don't think that's a good idea and block it. But they've sort of gone to him with a fatal complaint.
Starting point is 01:09:12 the kids are coming. Well, it's great granddad can spend more time with the kids. Wow, you know, it's so disrespectful if that's the case. And it's been delivered as a fait accompli. If it's only Sunday that he knew, that's pretty shocking if they've done that.
Starting point is 01:09:28 I think that if it's only Sunday, they are free to do whatever they want. Of course they are. But the reality is if it was only Sunday that they told them, I think that's... Yeah, but the thing is they're making it clear that they're not just coming, right? They're going to...
Starting point is 01:09:42 Yeah. They're not just coming, like, to live privately. You could already tell P. Dina from that briefing in the Sun and the Telegraph article, and by the way, it was all clearly briefed. We know this from Team Montecina. You can't have a world exclusive. I mean, Jobbo, you have broken Royal World Exclusive. I have broken Royal World Exclusive.
Starting point is 01:09:59 It's not a Royal World Exclusive if it appears in two newspapers at the same time with all the same information and all the same quotes. It's called a PR job. I'm not being bitter saying that. I'm just pointing out the facts. this was not a story broken by a journalist. It was a story gifted by the arts. I think it's telegraph led.
Starting point is 01:10:19 I'm not sure how quickly there's somewhere on it, but they're very professional at turning it around. I think it was a telegraph. Without claiming it's a world exclusive too. But my point being... Yeah, but we've been there before, and we know that that's sometimes to do with games being played. I'm my feeling on this,
Starting point is 01:10:35 and I think that they have decided that it goes to the telegraph, which of course is one of the establishment papers, it's the paper that they get read at the palace. So there's obviously showing that they've got some clout, Harry and Megan, with the media. And of course, the Telegraph is in direct competition with the Daily Mail, which is the one paper that didn't get the briefing. So the paper that Harry's going to have to pay several million pounds to soon.
Starting point is 01:11:04 So because that's no accident. It could be that the Telegraph knows, okay, if they're coming back to the UK, those first few shots of them going out, those first few outings are going to be worth a lot. So it's sort of like an American politics over here. It's like you give us access. We almost give you favorable coverage because we want those first few shots of you guys in the UK. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:23 Coming out of your home going to events. So they want the access. And I've even noticed other media outlets recently that we're so critical of Harry and Megan kind of warming back up to them. And I think they're going to want access because now they're a lot more interesting back in the UK. Well, the telegraph went to Australia with Megan and Harrow. They're the only papers were the, Royal Rota has sent a correspondent and then they've been getting a few leaks on the back of that, which is this one, it was not just a leak, it's a bombshell. But it's obviously clearly, as Dan is
Starting point is 01:11:51 saying, this is part of a plan. And if it wasn't discussed and if it wasn't discussed at the High Grove tea, then, you know, I'm a Dutchman, frankly. It must have been because you don't suddenly, you don't suddenly say, oh, the kids are going to go to school in two weeks and you haven't even met the school, you know, you don't even know what school they're going to. Of course. course they must have done planning for this. It must have been in the planning for months. And I agree with the other gentleman that was saying that, you know, this couple, you know, William is going to be in a dilemma and William is going to have to be take charge of this. The king, in my view, is probably let William down quite a lot. But what can he do?
Starting point is 01:12:34 If they say as free people, they're coming home and they're going to want their kids to be educated in England, there's probably not a lot he can do about it, actually. Yeah, I mean, do you think maybe they saw the stories about how George was starting school and maybe she was one of his private school? And then they thought, well, maybe we should put our kids in school in the UK and compete with him. I mean, but Harry had been talking about that. He had been talking about the stories that came out about Archie going to Eaton. Yeah. One of Harry's friends put that in the news. So he had been talking about it. 100% there has been talking about it.
Starting point is 01:13:10 It has been. But ultimately, you don't, you know, I sent my son to private school, whatever. It doesn't just happen that you just say, oh, in two weeks' time, my kids go to that school. It just doesn't happen like that. There's all sorts of things that have to go on them. They must have taken the kids. Maybe they took them to the school whilst they came over to the UK. We don't know.
Starting point is 01:13:31 But it doesn't happen. No one would know. Link, what do you call then, the children of the corn? the children of the corn because they're only photographed from behind they very seldom leave the complex or the compound it's a little branch to the end up kids from a witness protection scheme really well that's my thing too it's like the second i saw the news i thought oh now they're going to start letting the kids be photographed very very calculated i think they'll probably set up with certain photographers but they're going to have to have those kids photograph once and for all and those shots are going to be seen around the world
Starting point is 01:14:05 because we never see the kids' faces. So now there's sort of a bouncing on it, I think. Kaching. Do you know what? This is causing a bit of a transatlantic war tonight. So Megan Kelly has just responded to my little breakdown. I just saw that. We've done our time here in America, my dear friend.
Starting point is 01:14:25 And I just posted, no. I mean, Link and P. Diner and Brittany, is this going to be celebrated by Americans? I think so happy. We're so happy to see them go. My thing with Megan Markle, what's been frustrating with her for years, it's like there's so many great women entrepreneurs who run small businesses and they build them from scratch, right? She's called herself a female founder. She only did what, eight or nine episodes of a podcast. I wish I could get that kind of check and only do eight or nine episodes. Every product is an utter calamity. And what a slap in the face to women in this country who are making things in their home?
Starting point is 01:15:05 and selling them on Etsy and really hustling. Megan Markle is very lazy. She doesn't want to work and she probably knows, why don't we go back to the UK? We can get a ton of fame. And I think when the Kardashians are done with you, because there was this video recently where Kim Kardashian was sitting with Chloe,
Starting point is 01:15:19 and I hate that, I know this, I'm losing brain cells, but Kim Kardashian was sitting there with Chloe and they made it a very deliberate statement. They said, Megan's friends with mom. Our mom is friends with Megan. We are not friends with Megan. And I think to be on the Kardashians' bad side,
Starting point is 01:15:34 who they're kind of, of anything goes. I mean, they film themselves having kids, having sex, having sex changes. When you're on their bad side, you've got to be pretty much persona non-brata here. But here's the thing, Link, Megan is friends with Chris, right? Right. Chris, I think, is working with Megan because think about it, they can make a lot of money with a reality show with Megan, talking about all the things behind the scenes with the royal family. Chris will do something like that. And I, this is why I think Megan going back is a, she is going to get information on the royals.
Starting point is 01:16:12 She is going to monetize that information and bring it back. She's an actor. Actors go through rejection a lot. She's not giving up. Dan, don't forget. You asked if Americans are going to be happy about this. And of course, you're in America too, Lee. I forgot because I just view you as a Brit, you know.
Starting point is 01:16:28 Just view you. And I'm honored to be considered that way. But having said that, Harry has been such an unwelcome guest since he's been here. Let's not forget. He's criticized our Constitution. He's called our free speech, you know, bonkers. He's, there was even a charity, a war hero whose mother did not want Harry to be associated with the charity. Pat Tillman Award.
Starting point is 01:17:01 Exactly. Exactly. And so not only that, he's made a mockery of our immigration system, the circumstances under which he came to the United States. And actually, who knows, maybe, maybe he did this before Nile Gardner and the Heritage Foundation were actually able to expose that he's illegally in the United States of American. He was going to be booted in a look, Link, we just have to have a moment. We have a new policy here in the states where if you self-deport, you actually get, I think, $5,000. or something, they'll pay for your flight home. So that might be the money they need.
Starting point is 01:17:35 He needs that. He needs that. He needs that. Link, I just think as I say goodbye to this fabulous superstar panel, we should just take a moment to say this was when it ended for her, Link. When we both bought our was-never, wickless candles, and I still have mine. It's still selling like so. It still look.
Starting point is 01:17:53 No wick. Either side, no wick. That's when we knew it was over. But what a fabulous superstar panel. We're about to bring in Tom Sikes, but we will say, now, thank you. you to Royal YouTube Sensation P. Diner to Robert Jobsen, author of the brilliant new substack and is publishing his autobiography on there
Starting point is 01:18:14 Walking with Kings. Link Lauren, the host of the brilliant and hilarious spot on with Link Lauren. Brittany, editor of the Royal News Network and Royal YouTube Sensation P. Diner. Who have I forgotten? Lee? Did I say Lee? Lee Cohen? He's, of course, the Royal columnist for the Daily Telegraph and the spectator as well. What a fabulous superstar panel. But now I bring in Tom Sykes, who is of course the man behind the brilliant Royalist on Substack and YouTube.
Starting point is 01:18:49 And also now the author, very excited about this, Tom. It's the first time since you have announced your book, Dukes of Hazard, Harry, Andrew and Edward, or the Dukes, depending on which country. you're in. But all of a sudden, shit just got real, Tom. Holy mackerel. Yeah, it's a huge, huge development, isn't it? I mean, Harry and Megan moving back to the United Kingdom. And it's funny, Dan, because actually, and you'll know this yourself,
Starting point is 01:19:23 you know, when you're writing a book, you're always having this struggle of what are you going to hold and what are you going to include. And I had a fairly lengthy chapter, which is now, going to need to be rewritten about how a friend of Harry is telling me that, you know, he was going to go house hunting, that he was looking. And that person said to me that he was looking in the Cotswolds near Highgrove, where, of course, he grew up, where he knows everybody, where he knows the roads, where he knows the back roads, where he knows the pubs, where he knows the secret shortcuts and the footpaths and all those kinds of things, and still has a kind of network
Starting point is 01:20:01 of people there. So I'm going to be very interested to see what they do end up in the Cotswolds. And it's not going to be very long till we know. It'll only be about 10 days. And I would think that if they do go to the Cotswolds, then I think that the school will probably be Bo Desert, which, you know, has some form in hosting royal kids. You know, if they're at the other end of the Cotswels, it might be more like the dragon. But we'll have to wait and see. But yeah, I mean, what an extraordinary, extraordinary development. And it's, I have to say, although I wasn't in, I mean, I was not entirely, at least, I'm not entirely utterly surprised it's happened, but I'm very surprised at the speed with which it's happened,
Starting point is 01:20:44 that it's happened so quickly. And I'm also amazed by the palace's barefaced insistence that the king didn't know till Sunday. Yeah, sure. Pull the other one, mate. It's got bells on. I mean, it's interesting. Interesting, Tom. Let's just talk a little bit because obviously now that you're outside the Royal Road to one of the great things that you do through the Royalist and we report on it a lot here on outspoken is sort of pull the curtain up and reveal the mechanics of how this all works. And there's a really great super chat that I've just got on from Marjian who says, how do we know this is true? And of course I completely understand Tom why people would ask that question. There has been so much false briefing. You know, Megan's going to come. We're going to see the children. They're going to be unveiled and invictors. Oh, they're going to be staying at Buckingham Palace.
Starting point is 01:21:30 Now they're not. But Tom, I think for me, when I noticed is when you could see this was a coordinated release. Like it wasn't just the Daily Telegraph revealing this. And they had clearly been embargoed. That is a term in the industry, which means you cannot reveal the information which has been PR'd to you until a certain time. And surprise, surprise, dropping at the identical time, Tom, a so-called world exclusive also on the front page of my old newspaper, The Sun. So what that suggests to me is that Harry and Megan's team had been briefing over the course of the day, and the newspapers
Starting point is 01:22:10 in exchange for that briefing and that confirmation had agreed to hold publication of the story until 10pm. So that's why I think you can know that it's true, firstly. But what are you hearing about how this all developed? Well, yeah, I think it is true, but I also have a lot of sympathy. with people who are skeptical. There was a lot of nonsense, you know, last time they came and a lot of people, you know, felt that the whole meeting with Charles wasn't credible, felt that the timeline didn't match up. And, you know, I do genuinely have a lot of sympathy with those people
Starting point is 01:22:47 because we've just been lied to over and over again by Harry and Megan's press office. I mean, we were most notably lied to last year about the meeting, between Meredith Maines and Tobin Andrei, the Sussex press office swore blind, that they were nothing to do with it. Charlotte Griffith subsequently disclosed that that meeting was briefed to her by the Sussex side. So, you know, and that's just one, for example.
Starting point is 01:23:16 Of course, it was your early guests were mentioning about the Kardashians. You know, we had this other bare face lie about the Kardashians. No, no, we were given a consent form and we ticked to know, and there was no consent form. was the line that I was given by the Kardashians.
Starting point is 01:23:30 And then the Sussex's had to kind of concede that it wasn't true. You know, or getting married in our back garden, three days before our wedding. Sorry, the Archbishop Canterbury says that that would have been a serious crime, where he'd have done it. You know, so I have a lot of sympathy with people who think that it's not true. And the bottom line is, let's wait and see, right? Because we're going to know in 10 days. At this stage, you wouldn't put it past, Megan and Harry, to suddenly, say that actually there's been a, you know, something awful has happened and that actually
Starting point is 01:24:03 they can't come because everybody's behaved so dreadfully towards them. Or they don't get the security, Tom? They don't get the security? Well, I think that's the big question, isn't it, Dan? Because actually, if you look at the court papers that were, because this has been in court, right, multiple times about the security. So a lot of the documentation about why they don't have security is very far. from being a state secret. It's all over this paperwork. One of the main reasons that they don't have security is because they are not in the bracket of people who are protected. They are not in the cohort of people who are protected. And one of the factors that means they are not in that
Starting point is 01:24:48 cohort is that they do not live in the United Kingdom. Now, if they live in the United Kingdom, they tick one of the boxes. And if Charles gives Harry a very minor role at a very minor charity, they are suddenly working royals again. And they will be entitled to security. And, you know, who knows? But I mean, it's quite amusing, isn't it? That six years ago, they were saying they were in a dreadful fear of their lives. And just last year, you know, there could be acid attacks and knife attacks. And it's all the media's fly. for whipping up hatred towards them. But now actually it's fine.
Starting point is 01:25:31 But Tom, that is ludicrous. And we knew that was just, well, in my view, it was always just a money play, right? They don't want to have the $3 million security bill. If they get the government funded security, I know this because if you speak to former prime ministers about it, which I have done, you know, it doesn't matter if they're going on holiday in the Maldives
Starting point is 01:25:50 or if they're going for a working trip in Israel, they get the security. The whole point is if you are considered, someone who needs protection and security. It doesn't matter where you are. So Harry and Megan would get it even if they were at their home in Montecito. And all of a sudden, three million dollars a year on private security costs saved in a flash. But I think the bigger point, Tom, is the one that you just made before that on the Royal Duties because it's already happening. The briefing is already happening. It's just being done subtly. This was in Matt Wilkinson's son piece, right? So there initially
Starting point is 01:26:22 was the first line. It is understood Harry and Megan will not receive. any money from the public person while back in the UK and that he will not undertake any official world duties. And you think, oh, well, okay, that's good, right? This is the next line, Tom, this is the next line. Sources say, clearly this is Harry and Megan sources, you know, this is Liam McGuire, say, if there are discussions on any future role for him, it would need to take place between him and his father. So the translation there is that, They're already suggesting. They're already dropping the hints that Harry is going to be asking his father for a royal role.
Starting point is 01:27:03 And you know exactly the game that he's going to play Tom. Andrew Mountbatten, Windsor is out of action. Oh, George, we've got to give George his privacy. You know, five years at Eton, he can't be doing anything. Charlotte and Louis are too young. You need me. Papa, you need me. You need me.
Starting point is 01:27:23 As you know, Dan, one of the risks of being a journalist is that when you're reporting things that aren't popular or that people think are just frankly just couldn't possibly be true, but that you know are from good sources who you've decided to trust or you've learned to trust over the years, that people can say that you're talking nonsense. And all you can do is sit back and wait until it happens. I remember you had to actually, you're a very good example of that, right, with the Mexit story. I remember, you know, people say it is all complete rubbish.
Starting point is 01:27:56 then of course that's confirmed. And I've been reporting for quite some time that Charles is very, very keen to welcome Harry back to the United Kingdom. I've been very clear that I personally think this is a mistake, but that's frankly neither here nor there, is it? You know, that's just my opinion. Who am I? Why do they bother about?
Starting point is 01:28:18 Why should they bother about me? The point is that, you know, please boys don't make my final years of misery, right? that translation is, I want you to, to shake hands, to knock your heads together and to get on and get over this. And I'm the king and I'm laying down the rules. And those are what the rules are. It leaves William in a really, really invidious and difficult position. Because what is William going to do now? Right. Is he going to say, I'm not coming to Sandringham if Harry's going and look like a five-year-old? or is he going to say, I'm going to be the bigger person,
Starting point is 01:28:58 and I'm going to smile broadly at my brother and, you know, never complain and never explain and be the embodiment of that. So it's a really, really difficult situation, but it doesn't come as a huge, I mean, I'm very surprised at the speed of it, but I'm not surprised that it's happening because I've been saying for so long that something like this was going to happen. And really, if you look at Harry's behavior, his public statements, his involvement in American life, right, has been almost zero. Really, since Trump, too, do you know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:29:40 There's been very little involvement in American life until he doesn't seem to have any American charities. He doesn't work with any American organizations. And everything that he says is about the United Kingdom. It's, I miss the bond, I miss the banter, I miss the bravery. I may currently live in the United States. I mean, that phrase now looks very telling, doesn't it, Dan? I may now currently live in the United States. That change in language was so significant.
Starting point is 01:30:07 And actually, Tom, it's like they have been building up to this for a very long time. And I guess we just thought, well, how are they going to do it? Is it really logistically possible? But the problem is, Tom, for them, all their projects collapsed in America. I mean, I think they're doing this because there is no alternative. But Tom, I do want to put another theory to you, and it is a bit more than a theory. Do you think there is an element of Harry needing to bring the children to the United Kingdom in case this marriage does end up collapsing?
Starting point is 01:30:42 And what for a long time, Tom, was called a conspiracy theory, was, I think, finally proven to be true, something I'd been reporting for a long time, that Megan Markle had actually shopped the possibility of a post-divorce autobiography while she still was with Harry. Now, before it appeared in the pages of Vanity Fair, it was very easy to say, oh, you're talking rubbish. But, you know, I had reported that she didn't want to do her autobiography until she had ended the marriage had collapsed because there was a possibility the marriage would collapse. Now, Tom, if the marriage collapses in California, huge problem for Prince Harry to ever gain access or be able to bring his children back to the United Kingdom, do you think it is partly to do with Harry wanting to provide some protection
Starting point is 01:31:39 if things do not work out? Or do you think actually it's very much career and money-focused and they are still united in this mission? Well, it's, a fascinating, fascinating topic. And the word that you hear from people around them is that they're still very into each other, that they're very touchy, feely, et cetera, et cetera, when they're with each other. But as anybody knows, relationships are complicated beasts, especially when you have children. And a whole number of things feed into that. And one of the principal factors in any often a principal factor in a difficulty relationship is money, right? I mean, it's a very well-known fact that, hey, when you're making $100 million a year,
Starting point is 01:32:29 it's pretty easy to put up with, you know, what was the hunchback of Notre Dame called? You know, you could put up with anyone as your spouse. But when the money starts to run out and the pressures start to build, think things are more difficult. And don't forget that Harry himself said in, court, they have made my wife's life a misery, my lord. So do you know what I mean? This is not, it's hard to believe that either of them are having the most brilliant time. If they've reached a stage where their business has failed so badly that they've had to go back on everything that
Starting point is 01:33:15 they said they were leaving the United Kingdom for. But if, if I may go back to, to, to, to, the point you were making before, Dan, about how is this possible? How has Harry managed to pull this off? How he's managed to pull this off is because he's driven a wedge between his father and the air. And there was always a wedge there, right? The roots of William and Charles's, well, William's enmity, William's dissatisfaction towards his father are not obscure, right? everybody knows why because of the way he treated his mother.
Starting point is 01:33:52 My parents were divorced and like most kids of divorced parents, I was brought up by my mum. And I felt pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty for many many years because I was brought up with my mum, you know, and I saw what my mom had gone through. Um, and I, I, I, you know, if my my father was the king and remarry, another woman and made her queen after my mother had died, you know, I think I would have some feelings about that. So, but what Harry has very skillfully done is he's exploited Charles's love for him and Charles does love Harry. He adores Harry, the darling boy, you know, he's exploited it and he's driven a wedge between the king and the heir. And by peeling off, by peeling off and separating
Starting point is 01:34:46 William and the king, he's now got himself into a situation where he's basically able to come home with the king's blessing. And if I noticed you had Rob Jobs on earlier, he's been talking very eloquently about the Clive Alderton factor. I mean, clearly this has been known about for some time. The idea that the king just knew about this on Sunday is absolutely ridiculous. But the other point to say about this is that it's really hard. to understand anything that's happened in the British Royal Family over the last couple of years
Starting point is 01:35:21 if you just read the UK papers because they can't really say anything that's too critical of the King. Now, some of them can. Now, interestingly, your old paper, The Sun and Matt Wilkinson is one of the few reporters who does have enough power
Starting point is 01:35:36 to be able to criticise the King. Of course, he broke this remarkable story that the King had paid $1.5 million pounds worth of the set of the set of. to Virginia Dufrey, that he had participated in the cover-up and the silencing of Virginia Dufre. So, I mean, let nobody say that all members of the Royal Rota are corrupt, etc., etc. That said, it's, look, as you know, if you work at those newspapers, if you want to
Starting point is 01:36:06 continue getting notifications of where the king is going to be appearing and send your photographers to take a nice picture, you have to remain on the press office's good side, which, and that means that you are not allowed to talk about the King's health. So, and it also means, ironically, that you're not allowed to talk about the argument between Charles and William, which is why I think part of the reason why my substack has actually been quite successful
Starting point is 01:36:32 is because I've been able to tell that story in a way that the legacy media haven't been able to tell that. Well, absolutely, I mean, we actually use... We actually covered some of your comment on the royalist, which is that the relationship, And again, people don't like to hear this, but it is true that relations, and this was even before this announcement, Tom. So I imagine that I'm going to get worse.
Starting point is 01:36:55 But you have reported that relations between King Charles and Prince William are the worst they have ever been. Yes. And that was according to a good old friend of both the king and the late Queen Elizabeth. But the other point that I want to make is that what this is about, Harry's return to the fold, the bigger picture of Harry's return to the fold, right? The coming back in July, you can have a flat at Buckingham Palace, you can blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. What this is also about, it's about Charles trying to take back control after that horribly botched announcement of his cancer. And when Charles announced the cancer, I actually was writing about this today because of Camilla talking about his cancer.
Starting point is 01:37:39 But it was a disaster, right? Charles never meant to announce that he had cancer. he meant to announce that he was having treatment for a benign enlarged prostate, which is a very fashionable cause, you know, thanks to brilliant work by organisations like Movember. It was a thing, and it was also a really convenient way for Charles to kind of telegraph, I'm not like my mother, the era of fusty fussiness is over, I'm going to be open and transparent.
Starting point is 01:38:08 But because they announced it before he went in for the procedure, when he then came out and people said, well, how did the procedure go? They didn't really have any choice but to announce that they had found cancer. And the point is they, of course, they would have had to do it in the end. But the point is, they announced it five days
Starting point is 01:38:26 after he had found out that he had cancer. So no one had had time to digest it. No one had had time to process it or think seriously about what it meant or anything like that. It was all completely rushed and hasty. And as a result of that, two days after that,
Starting point is 01:38:41 William hired a new private secretary, all the power flowed to William. William was making all the big decisions. As you know, down behind Palace, there was a serious concern that the King had dropped dead in six weeks. And as a result of this, all the power flowed to William.
Starting point is 01:38:57 Now, I'm told that the treatment has been very, very successful. King Charles has said the same thing in his announcement that stand up to cancer at the end of last year. And part of what is going on with this bringing Harry back into the fold is King Charles
Starting point is 01:39:14 reasserting his control over the family saying do you know what pal I'm going to be here for the next 10 years I'm the boss and this is the way we're doing it you're just the Prince of Wales get back in your box yeah I know I know oh god Tom it's going to unravel but of course
Starting point is 01:39:36 as well as following outspoken people must subscribe to the Royalist on YouTube and Thank God you're back from your holiday at least. And Tom, does this mean you're going to have to, I mean, I know you said there's one chapter. You're going to have to pull apart. Like, that must be a bit of a nightmare in terms of the dukes. The dukes.
Starting point is 01:39:57 Well, it's not actually, because it actually reinforces the central thesis of the point that I'm making in the book, which is that, you know, there is a massive split at the heart of the crown. The king wants one thing and the air wants another. and it's really, really damaging. And that the heir, William, feels very strongly that the example of Edward the 8th should be implemented for Prince Harry and Prince Andrew. And that trying to rehabilitate these people doesn't work. And I must say, I kind of thought when it all happened in July and we saw Charles welcoming Harry back to Buckingham Palace, although in the end he didn't stay there, I sort of felt like it was a, sort of bit of a gift, really, from the book writing gods,
Starting point is 01:40:45 because it sort of stood up everything that I'd been saying in the book. And this really stands up even more, which is that, you know, Harry has undermined the British monarchy. And the extraordinary thing is, Dan, is that he seems to be doing it with the collusion of the monarch. I mean, it's really, really extraordinary. And everybody's grasping around to try and find reasons for. for this, right? But nobody can really give a proper reason. And the only reasons really that we've had
Starting point is 01:41:20 are from the palace, blood is blood, well, that's not actually a reason. That's the kind of thing you say when you don't have a reason, right? Blood is thick of the mortar, it's just sort of stupid phrase that doesn't really mean very much. Or, you know, as Robert Jobson has talked about, and I know you had Robert on earlier
Starting point is 01:41:38 and Roberts talks about this on my show, the Royalist, that the king is, perhaps sicker than people like me who've been told that, you know, I've been told that the King's doctors are running his treatment up and down the flagpole to other clients at the London Clinic, which is this very fancy clinic in Harley Street where he's being treated. Robert's not so sure. You know, Robert told me the other day that Charles has been having farewell audiences
Starting point is 01:42:05 with people like Michael Fawcett. I mean, you know, so, I mean, that's the other explanation. And I think that if Charles is perhaps sicker than I think, and I do happen to think that his recovery is going well, it would make a certain amount of sense. And I think the other argument is that Charles feels what I think is going on. I think that Charles feels he's been gifted back his life by God. And I know he's said that to people.
Starting point is 01:42:39 He has said that to his friends, and he's a believer in divine. right, Dan, don't forget. Like, this is a guy who's fully wrapped up in the kind of, you know, mysticness and the Lawrence van der Post and shamanism and all of this stuff. He genuinely believes that he has been appointed by God to be the king of the United Kingdom. And he genuinely believes now that he has been spared by God and sees it as his mission to, you know, repair this whole at the heart of the royal family. I mean, but it's it's a bit of a game of speculation because ultimately it doesn't make any sense, right? It does not make any sense. These two are hugely, hugely unpopular characters. Look at
Starting point is 01:43:21 their popularity ratings. The British public is not in a position to being ready to be one round on the issue of Megan and Harry. I mean, it's just, it's not. It's going to be massively unpopular. It's going to be hugely destabilising for the monarchy. It's going to present massive threat to William and Catherine, and it also could present a problem to a future King George the 7th. Oh my goodness, indeed. And that is why you need great independent reporters who operate outside of the Royal Rotar to cover it all. So please do subscribe to Tom Sykes and his brilliant royalist, the Royalist on YouTube and Substack. Tom, I can't believe we're speaking after midnight, but of course, UK time at least, but of course this was big news tonight. So I really, really, really
Starting point is 01:44:05 do appreciate the time Tom and of course How many hours on YouTube is that for you today Dan? Oh my God. Far too many. Five. Far too many is. I think it's like coming up to five. Coming up to five. Yeah. But fully worth it. I couldn't. I was so raging. I was actually so raging. I'm like, I've got to go. I've got to go
Starting point is 01:44:26 and speak about this. But Tom's like, thank you so much. It's really, really extraordinary. It is and I'm actually going to watch your show. They left the country. Yeah. 60 years after. they left the country saying their lives were in danger. And Megan said she never wanted to come back.
Starting point is 01:44:39 Do you remember that? Never wanted to come back. Told Omen Scobie at that last Buckingham Palace reception, I don't think I'll ever return. Now, she did, but only really for, well, it was only for the, for the funeral of, well, and the Jubilee, you know, the two sort of forced returns. I'll tell you what's really interesting as well. Okay, so I was, when I spoke to this source earlier in the year,
Starting point is 01:45:04 who was saying that Harry was going to look for a house here. And I was like, well, is Megan, you know, I was like, I can't see Megan wanting to live in like the Cotswolds. I mean, I know there's a few fashionable Americans around. And it's not that far to Soho Farmhouse or Estelle Manor. But, I mean, it's not exactly like a dream scenario, like for somebody who finds churches that smell a bit moldy or what have you. And they very much said to me, oh, no, Megan's going to stay in America.
Starting point is 01:45:32 Megan's going to stay in America, you know. And Harry's just going to come back. And I was like, mm. And then the next day, that story came out in the Wall Street Journal saying, if Harry ever wanted to remarry, you'd have to get the permission of the king and blah, blah, blah. And I remember messaging them the next day. And we'd had a few drinks. And well, I, I hadn't because I don't drink.
Starting point is 01:45:48 But this person had a few. And I was like, what do you think of this story in the Wall Street Journal? Like, is that what you were kind of, I was basically saying, is that what you were kind of implying when you were saying that Megan wouldn't come back? They were like, no, no, not at all. They really, they're still, you know, they still really get on. You know, they're really flirt together, blah, blah, blah. And I have heard that, like, Dan Wakeford, who, you know, turned on them, basically. Yeah, he said they were, like, hot for each other still and this kind of stuff.
Starting point is 01:46:19 So, I don't know, like, I mean, it seems like incredibly weird. Look, Tom, there is going to be a lot to unravel. Well, exactly, where is Doria? And there is going to be a lot to unravel. And I understand why a lot of people, Tom, are still not believing that Megan Wall. actually come. And that is the point, isn't it? Is this announcement to try and say, no, no, no, everything's fine. But actually, as you point out, maybe Megan will. I mean, she does saying they're not going to sell the house. That seems crazy. I mean, that huge house that you can't afford and you're
Starting point is 01:46:48 going to keep that. Why would you not downsize if you were just going to be there for, say, a couple of weeks a year to see Doria? So I think there's a lot to unravel here. You know, is this the beginning of some type of separation. Could be. Could be. But we don't know yet. That is the key thing. We don't know yet because this announcement is woolly and a lot of their announcements have been woolly and then very quickly they fall apart when a little bit of pressure is put on them. So it's going to be fascinating. And will this one fall apart? Yeah. I mean, and that's the other thing. In fairness to
Starting point is 01:47:20 those people who are saying, well, just be careful taking anything that they say. I mean, I've been burnt by it and I've apologized to my readers when I was burnt by it. Um, you know, and yeah, just be blooming careful, you know, treating anything that they say as gospel. Um, you do have to be careful. But I, I feel, I feel this, this one are just, yeah, the other stuff that I've been covering over Charles's desire to see Harry, stuff I was told previously about them looking for a house. The fact that Harry's got nothing to do in America. The fact that he's so disengaged for American life, the sort of open, uh, emoting towards the. UK and going on and on and on about how much he loves the UK after all. It's just a huge misunderstanding. I do feel like there's certainly a kernel of truth there. Tom Sykes, your reporting is going to be absolutely essential in what is going to be a crazy few weeks.
Starting point is 01:48:17 Thank you so much for being here tonight. I really, really do appreciate it. And thank you too, to all of you. I want to get to your super chats. I've been so good tonight, Marjim. 1085 says they just can't allow Prince William a moment's peace. Mid-morning Martini 5219 for the hinge and whinge worldwide privacy to a fund. Oh my God, I know. Edwina Bates, a proper welcome back DNA party is needed. Good news, kids belong to Harry. Even better news, Harry doesn't belong to the king.
Starting point is 01:48:48 Think positive. Mandy F5U for J says, Dan, this is the end of the royal family if this happens. It's over for Charles. I think he wants to be the last king of England. And the results are in, in our snap megap poll, do you want Harry and Megan to return to the UK? 87% of you say no. 13% say yes.
Starting point is 01:49:17 Gosh, we needed to get through this one together, right? Like, what are they doing to us? Honestly, you've been wonderful tonight. Thank you so much for being here. Of course, we will have a special live edition of Outspoken at 5pm UK time, midday Eastern, 9am Pacific. We are talking Thursday. But if you are in the United Kingdom, it is Thursday. We started this show on Wednesday, and it is now Thursday. We will also have Lady Colin Campbell joining us for the Royal Uncanceled After Show. Oh my God, what does Lady C's take going to be on this. So if you want to get first access to that live and in full with no advertising
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