Dan Wootton Outspoken - BRITAIN PREPARES FOR WEEKEND OF CARNAGE AFTER MORE ILLEGAL CRIMES AS MSM GASLIGHT PATRIOTS

Episode Date: August 7, 2025

BREAKING RIGHT NOW: Britain on the brink of breakdown with 14 migrant hotel protests clashing with a Palestine Action terrorist event at the weekend, as ordinary patriots lose patience as more illegals rape our young women. But the MSM, especially the BBC's Newsnight and the Fake News Agents, wants you to believe everything is just fine and it’s just the dastardly far right stoking tensions that really aren’t there honestly. Dan will tear their argument apart in the Digest before being joined by one of the country’s best journalists of modern times, GB News launch presenter Colin Brazier. PLUS: London’s gormless deputy Mayor has finally been exposed. No wonder the UK’s capital is in such trouble. AND: James O’Brien is called out for his evil cancellation of an innocent man based on the lies of the UK’s most prolific fantasist, who just so happens to be a paedo too. Will there ever be justice at LBC? THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Lady Colin Campbell unleashes on Meghan Markle’s bullying lie disaster and Prince Harry’s sick bid to destroy the African charity he helped create because of his ego. Sign up to watch live or on demand and totally ad free at https://www.outspoken.live Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooden. This is Outspoken Live episode number 287. And breaking right now. Britain on the brink of breakdown. With 14 migrant hotels, protests clashing with a Palestine action terrorist event at the weekend as ordinary patriots lose patience. Because we're with it, we have got to that red market still. On camera, go on, on a glass bottle. Go away. Yeah, look, stop. You're aggressive. You're already aggressive one. Oh, he's got a glass bottle and he's out ready to stab me.

Go away. That adds the news just gets more grim. In just the last 60 days, a young girl in Epping sexually assaulted. A 10-year-old in Stockport nearly kidnapped. A 12-year-old. in Nunneton, raped, as was a young woman in Portsmouth, and an eight-year-old in Lambeth, in each case allegedly by illegal migrants. But the MSM wants you to believe that everything is just fine, and it's just the dastardly

far-right stoking tensions that aren't really there. Anyone who's been on X recently can see the level of profound racism, which was would once have been confined to the darkest corners of the mainstream, internet and mainstream discourse, wouldn't have even been in public discourse, is so virulent, so ubiquitous, being rehearsed and rehashed by people who have got shows on television news channel. But if you put together the potency of the issue of immigration, a lot of different posts on social media, plus the weather, plus people being out of school, or you can see why some that in a government are worried and are nervous.

Media commentators, sort of more mainstream politicians need to be a bit more wary of their language as we see some of these scenes develop. Oh, dear and do their argument in my digest next. Then, my friend, one of the country's best journalists, GB News launch presenter Colin Brazier, joins me live. Also coming up on the show today, London's Gormless Deputy Mayor has finally been exposed and no wonder the UK's capital is in such trouble. You're not going to believe this woman.

The British bashing corporation in deep trouble, as it cancels Greg Wallace for saucy jokes, but backs its female star presenter who showed a junior woman a dick pick. That comes as Charlie State, now investigated for bullying alongside Nagamon Chetty on BBC Breakfast, so we're going to get into all of this. And James O'Brien called out for his evil cancellation

of an innocent man based on the lies of the UK's most prolific fantasist who just so happens to have been a Pido too. Will there ever be justice at LBC? Then, in the uncanceled after show on Substack, Lady Colin Campbell unleashes on Megan Markle's bullying lie disaster and Prince Harry's sick bid to destroy the African charity he helped create because of his ego. Lady C is going to go mild on all of this I feel. So you can sign up to watch www.outspoken.live. Remember, at the end of the show, we'll also to reveal today's Greatest Britain and Union Jackass. This is the last Union Jackass of the week. You can vote right now on the live chat on YouTube. Here are your nominees. Bonnie Blue,

put forward by Muriel MBE, who simply said no explanation required. Piers Morgan, nominated by Phil Patrickon for trying to catch Tommy Robinson out because he's jealous of his bravery and honesty. Morgan has the spine of a jelly fin. And Vanessa Freak, nominated by Tyke talking. She says that Reform UK is no longer the UK, it's La La La Land. Vanessa Freak, of course, the new Reform UK advisor who wants men, so-called trans women, housed in female prisons. So get voting, then we'll reveal the Union Jackass at the end of the day, and they will go head to head for the worst Britain in the world this week,

announced on tomorrow's show our special interview with Tommy Robinson. But now, let's go. The mainstream media's despicable decade-long gaslighting campaign to convince us working with the political establishment that if we're concerned about a whole-scale invasion of our country, both illegally and via legal means, putting our culture and young women at threat, then we're a far-right racist loon has now failed. This weekend Britain stands on the brink, with 14 migrant hotel protests planned up and down our disunited kingdom, while the terrorist loons of Palestine action intend to stretch police resources to breaking point. But I think something has fundamentally changed. The independent media is revealing what's really going on, rendering the usual smares

from the BBC's Newsnight and the fake newsagents increasingly tone deaf, irrelevant and meaningless. There is now good reason to be terrified on the streets of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. And it's not just old fogies, by the way, who are. Six in ten young people fear becoming victims of violent crime, according to a poll by the Adam Smith Institute, that illustrates a generation that feels increasingly unsafe in their own homes. We are constantly seeing illegals threaten the native population. Right, yeah, glass bottles and that.

There you go. Look, here, look, on a camera, on camera, on a glass bottle. Go away, look. Yeah, look. You're aggressive. You're the aggressive one. He's got a glass bowl. When he's out ready, stab me.

Go away. O'allie. Put that away now. I say go away. Put that way now. Put that way. You're on camera, mate. I know you don't care.

No way. I'm going. I say go away. Yeah. Go away. Yeah. Go away. All right, I'm going.

No. And patriots are increasingly deciding they have had enough. No! Fuck, right, I'm afraid of it. She's my lady and stuff it's coming. You fuck, do you fucking right, don't really get back. You went around me! You were the wrong!

You were the wrong! I was going to round the fucking brother about! Why would she want to put out in front of you? Because we're winning! We're busting out of fucking stealth! In Sadiq Khan's Lawless London, chronic crime now simply accepted with the council supporting the painting of mind-the-grab notices on major shopping streets, sending a very clear message the criminals are now in control.

I'm here today on Oxford Street where this is the state of Sadiq Khan's London. We've got a private business warning its customers and other shoppers here to keep the phones hidden because they're getting stolen all the time. Just before we got here, someone's phone will swipe. They're dealing with the consequences of it now. But this is down to Sadiq Khan. 80,000 phone stolen on London streets in the last year. And parents, now rightly fear that life-changing moment,

thou told an illegal migrant, has in broad daylight rape their daughter, a position so importantly pointed out by the increasingly bold and brave Robert John. In just the last 60 days, a young girl in Epping sexually assaulted. A 10-year-old in Stockport nearly kidnapped, a 12-year-old in Nunneton raped, as was a young woman in Portsmouth and an 8-year-old in Lambeth, in each case allegedly by illegal migrants. When I hear these stories, I think these could have been one of my daughters.

They are someone's daughter. It's no wonder that the public are furious. They're right to be. We're seven years into this. 170,000 have come in, almost all young men. Each one set to cost us almost half a million pounds. Hotels are transforming communities. No one wants to live in an area with men from backwards countries

in the parks and outside the school gates. And of course, are these hotels where the politicians, The activists, the senior officials live. No, it's all a choice. Keep pouring billions down the drain and putting up with these crimes or change our laws and deport those here illegally. People say it's more complicated than that.

It's not. Australia stopped their boats in weeks. America has secured its southern border. It's about political will. It pains me the last government didn't have it. And it pains me, Starmas, even worse. Most of us are sick of not having a border. Sick of all the other disasters that are unfolding.

Sick, frankly, of losing our country. Change the laws. Deport illegal migrants. This can't go on. But if you are one of the poor souls, who remains captured by the mainstream media, then you are told on a daily basis, things are absolutely fine. No issues in Britain with crime, no illegal invasion. Indeed, the fake news agents say nothing new is going on.

Apparently, we're just using different language, and that is causing this spiraling moral panic. You feel that there is a moral panic at the moment, that this is kind of unprecedented and things have spiraled and spiraled out of... Spiral is the right word. It's just gone mad. It's gone terribly out of control in the past. Well, no, it's been a continuation of what we've had for years.

It's just the language which is being used now. is different. Indeed, Lewis Goodall doesn't see any problem with the systematic rape of our young women after the system to import cultures that just don't share our values. No, no, no, no. That isn't the problem. What the problem is, is the radicalisation of our discourse. And this is, and this is again the problem with the kind of radicalisation of the discourse, is that it happens in its own terms, in its own bubble, in its own world. And reality, well, never the 20th. shall meet, right? And and this is the, and I think this is the bigger problem as well with mainstream conservative, centre-right politicians becoming moving, as I say, galloping with

the Overton window to what used to be the preserve of the radical right. Because what that means is, is that, well, what is left for the actual far right? Where do they go? Well, they move even further to the right. And, you know, you can see this in terms of anyone who's been on X recently, can see the level of profound racism, which would once have been confined to the darkest corners of the mainstream, internet and mainstream discourse, wouldn't have even been in public discourse, is so virulent, so ubiquitous, being rehearsed and rehashed by people who have got shows on television news channels and huge online followings and certain academics quote unquote so repeating and regurgitating this stuff oh i wonder who you're referring to

little lewis i mean there's so much of this denial going on leftist activist zoie gardner posted this is the great success of the right wing political establishment including forage and the failure of the media we go on so effing much about boats which make up a tiny proportion of immigration, it's constant. No wonder people are enraged. But as Fraser Myers have spiked online, rightly responded to her, Farage doesn't want you to know this, but only a tiny proportion of goods are shoplifted compared with those that are brought legally every day. Yet we go on so effing much about thieves. Or how about Labour London lefters? Sebastian Salick, claiming with a straight face, London is thriving. And the right can't stand it. They talk down our capital constantly. But the city is

measurably becoming a better place to live. Prompting Paul Joseph Watson to respond, nobody who lives or has lived in London believes any of this tribe. It's very noticeably gone down the shitter over the last 10 years. Anyone with any sense is leaving. The way the British Passion Corporation is handling this growing sense of unrest, we're now not talking about Gaza or Epstein, by the way, their favourite topics, is fascinating. So I want you to start by watching this straight reporting from Newsnight. It's at least 14 protests due to take place later this week, various locations around England, although outside hotels used to house asylum seekers. Now, this is definitely on the radar of the Home Office, if that Cooper's team are telling me tonight she's been kept

up to date and is regularly in touch with the National Police Chiefs Council, because obviously a protest or a public order situation, it's up to police chiefs to deal with them, not politicians, but there remains this real nervousness, some would even argue a sense of dread, in number 10 and in the Home Office in different parts of Whitehall, about the possibility we could see something this year similar to what we saw last year, all of that disorder, where you remember, 18, 100 people were arrested, 11, 100 were charged. And there's nothing, of course, approaching that yet. But if you put together the potency of the issue of immigration,

a lot of different posts on social media, plus the weather, plus people being out of school. You can see why some that in a government are more even unervers. So I actually didn't have any problem with that straight piece of reporting. But then what the programme did was immediately we allowed a Liverpool left-wing political editor-sur to blame the far-right bogey man and question the language of media commentators and politicians. We know that the far-right are organising heavily in many of these areas. We also had that in Nosley in 2023. And I think media commentators, sort of more mainstream politicians need to be a bit more wary of their language as we see some of these scenes develop.

I am going to call again on people who are, I would consider more on the mainstream, and I include some Conservative MPs, some commentators, political commentators. If I have to read another article from commentators saying Britain is about to blow, it's like they want it to happen. And I think that everyone needs to dial the language down. We are dealing with extremism here. We are seeing the far right openly on our streets again, which is something that they used to be kind of cast more to the fringes of society.

So I think that everyone has a responsibility, including mainstream politicians, to dial down the landlord, stop trying to stir things up because otherwise we will see what we saw last summer and we can't have that again. I mean, how frustrating is that? How frustrating is that? They literally never want to discuss the root cause of the issue that is too hard, but the difference this time

is we've had enough of their gaslighting. I mean, anyone who saw these images of the mums of London on the streets this weekend, dancing the conga, knows that those far-right smears, those extremist smears, just don't. cut it anymore. As these ladies said, we're not far right. We're just always right. Shrewd voices on the centre right, though, do see the change. I was blown away, actually, by this report from the Spectator yesterday. I want to read it to you. The Spectator writes, poll after poll shows that

border control remains a top priority for the British public. This afternoon, a UGov survey found that significantly more people are worried about immigration, 56%, than how. health care, 34%. Another poll by the same outfit found that just under half of Brits support admitting no more new migrants and requiring large numbers of migrants who came to the UK in recent years to leave. Mass deportation is an idea that has been championed by ex-reform MP Rupert Lowe with his stance on the issue driving a wedge between himself and his former colleagues. UGov has called its findings extraordinary. And they illustrate what Tim Shipman, now he is the politically editor of The Spectator said this week. The Overton window has in recent years moved far, far,

far to the right. So that is fascinating to me because firstly you've got the Spectator acknowledging it. You've got Yuga, this big polling organisation saying these results are extraordinary. No, they're not. They're not extraordinary at all. They're completely ordinary. But what's so interesting as it's taken a very long time for the establishment and the mainstream media to catch up to where we actually all are. Now, interestingly, it's American culture that currently seems to sum up best the real feelings of Brits worried about the shocking state of our country. With the latest ad for the crypto company Coinbase, the most horrifying, realistic example, spiked, reported on this, though we Brits would normally bristle.

At such harsh mockery from across the pond, that's not been the case here. That's because for many of us, the ad's bleak portrayal of life in 21st century Britain hits home. It certainly captures a widely held sense of national decline. The soaring cost of living has left almost half of UK adults financially insecure up from less than a third in the same position a decade ago. One recent survey revealed that nearly one in five people struggled to pay their bills each month on nearly half, have little to nothing left over to save or spend on leisure. Now, I want you to watch this Coinbase ad. And I think you will probably imagine that it's pretty hard to disagree

with the feeling it expresses, as depressing as it might be, as unpatriotic as it might be. Look. We ain't got no troubles, no reason to complain. Because here in great old Britain, we just love it when it rained. Morning. We're cozy heat at home. Even though it's not our own, but wait a few more years and you can say.

Everything is just fine. Everything is grand. Your life can get the natural when you're living by the letter in this leather's land. Everything is just fine Everything is great The streets can't get no cleaner nor the rat me any leaner No life is just first great Everything is just fine these fish fingers are a steel

Price is up a smidge Just a hundred quid a meal Empty purse but hay could be worse if there was nothing in the fridge Strategic realignment means I get to work for myself. Yeah! Paying off my law degree with tips from each delivery. Excuse me, sir, I have your tando-wree. Everything is just fine.

Everything is grand. Everything can get no better When you're living by the letter In this pleasant land Everything is just fine Everything is great We're soldiering on We're doing our bit

We're off to Dubai It's time to jump ship We're timing our belts With a steer off a lift Cause everything Everything, everything's To fly Now, Colin Brazier is here.

Colin, seriously, I think the only thing required for that ad to be more realistic was to have John Soaple and Lewis Goodall reporting around all of those activities, saying, isn't the UK great? It's just the horrible far right. I mean, it really has picked up on a moment. mood. Dad, maybe they could do it when the pneumatic drill goes through the sewer and sprays everybody in shit. I mean, that would seem an appropriate junket.

The production values of that thing were fantastic. I mean, it's just incredible. And it is a reflection in all seriousness of the shifting over to the window, isn't it? The terms of discourse, as Lewis said, are shifting. I think he misdiagnoses the problem. They're shifting because people wanted to shift. a couple of punctuation marks Nigel Farage three or four weeks ago

saying, talking about, invoking the idea of quote civil disobedience. This is the man who on current polling is destined to be our next prime minister talking and he chose his words very carefully. He always does about civil disobedience. The other thing, the other punctuation mark just this morning, I retweeted it, you've picked up on it, you played it in full, and you did absolutely white because it's absolutely seminal. The Robert Generic video, here is a man

in the shadow cabinet who could be potentially the next leader of the Conservative Party who if he said what he said in the video you just played Dan I think certainly 20 years ago possibly 10 years ago he would be booted out of the shadow

cabinet pass those words on screen now extraordinary they are stronger than anything Enoch Powell said 50 years ago and there he is saying it and here's the key thing I think there'll be critics on the left

who will say, oh, yeah, well, he's only doing it because it's going on YouTube and Twitter. He wouldn't say it in the House. Do you know what, Dan? He would. And that's the key difference. He would say what he said on that video in the House of Commons under parliamentary privilege.

So to dismiss, you know, so-called right-wing, far-right commentators, fine, do that. It's much more difficult to dismiss our elected representatives and the leader of a party who is currently ahead in the polls. Yeah, totally.

And I think the other big moment, because I completely agree, Robert Jenrick is shifting the dial. It shows that within the Conservative Party, the Overton window, is moving absolutely. I think he will be the next leader of that party. I think it needs to happen. But what about the political editor of the spectator saying, look, the UK is moving far, far, far to the right? Now, he's not actually saying far right, and I like Tim Shipman, but I think he's pointed out something that the rest of the establishment have missed. Like YouGov saying that it's extraordinary that a lot more people are concerned about immigration than health care.

Not if you're living, not if you're outside the Westminster bubble, right? It's an extraordinary poll in a magazine that's edited by Michael Gove, who's not known for his far right sympathies, far from it. Look, I was in Yorkshire. I was in Leeds four or five weeks ago. I was there for the Rose's match, cricket match, between Yorkshire and Lancashire. I went with some family members and friends and afterwards went for a drink with one of my sisters who still lives in Bradford, having worked years ago with Mills and now works on the checkout of the co-op. And she said to me, in tears about the state of Bradford, which I've described to you before and others as a sort of failed laboratory for multiculturalism. And the time was when Bradford was particular, it's a bit like lutes and places like that. The truth is now many of the challenges faced by a city like Bradford, sixth largest city in Britain, by the way, are now faced nationwide. I posted a tweet to that effect saying that my sister who lives in Bradford was in tears describing the trajectory, the arc of decline, was the phrase that I used. And it was viewed by 1.3 million people.

And what was coming across really strongly in a lot of the comments in response was not the rage, that people on the left want to portray us happening. This is not about rage. Some people do feel furious, but at times I feel absolutely furious about the way our future has been mishandled without our assent, how we've got a population increasing

by 13 million since the turn of the century, and still we have people who deny that's going to have any impact whatsoever upon our vital infrastructure. But, you know, a lot of people just feel terribly, terribly, terribly sad, and they're right to. things have changed without their permission, a sense of nostalgia for the past. They say the past down is another country.

They do things differently there. There is no recovering that past. But that poll, I think you pick out the generic clip exactly rightly, and you pick out that quote, that poll from EUGov as well. You know, not a cranky polling organisation. There's a EUGov that was saying that getting on half of this country certainly think that migration has been too high and that perhaps some form of repatriation.

That's the word they don't use, but it's what they're meaning. is now potentially on the cards politically. That is an extraordinary finding. I did want to ask you about Kemi Badernock, the current leader of the Conservative Party, Colin, because she's given an interview today to the British Bashing Corporation where she reveals the reason why she no longer has faith.

Now, obviously you're a very religious man, which is one of the reasons I wanted to play it to you, but it felt to me like a very bizarre time to go down this path. But let's watch this, and then I'll get you to react off the back. And myself as a Christian apologist, always arguing with people about why there was a god. And in 2008, this story about Joseph Ritzel and his daughter, who was locked in a cellar for 24 years.

In Isworth? Yes, that killed it. because to have the beliefs have core tenets and one of the things that was core to the belief was that God does not test you more than you can bear and this was so whenever I was having a tough time I did find strength in faith that I'm having a tough time but I'm going to get through it

because God does not test you beyond what you can bear and I thought to myself no human beings should have had to experience what this woman believed and maybe because I was I was very close to my father So the idea of a father doing that to his own daughter for me was a level of disgust and abhorrence that I'd never experienced. And I couldn't stop reading this story. And, you know, I read her account how she prayed, you know, every day for it to be rescued.

And I thought, I was praying for all sorts of stupid things. And I was getting my prayers answered. You know, I was praying to have good grades. My hair should grow longer. And, you know, I would pray for the bus to come. on time so I wouldn't miss something. It's like, why were those prayers answered? And not this woman's prayers.

And it just, it was like someone blew out to candle. I mean, pretty sad watching that in a lot of ways, Colin. But how do you feel about that revelation from Kemi Badernock? Well, I think it's candid. I think it's honest. I think that does her credit. I think we want politicians to be honest about what makes them the people they become. I like him.

I think he's a really inquiring, thoughtful, heretical thinker. I think I woke up in the night thinking about lots of things. One of the things that popped into my head was that dreadful story from two or three days ago down about a dad who was, I think he was on the Spanish coast and he was swimming in the Atlantic with his two young sons, both of whom perished in the waves and he was badly injured. Why does a good God do terrible things to good people? That's a question that's haunted people since the beginning of time and certainly since the beginning of Christianity. I would simply say this. In the 20th century when we decided to do away with God, we did a very good job of making life more miserable than it ever had been. Maoism, communism and fascism

collectively killed about 100 million of our fellow human beings. They'd all banished the idea of Christian belief, of any religious belief for that matter. Absolutely fascinating, isn't it? But I do just wonder, I do just wonder if Kemi ever gets it right in terms of her timing and in terms of whether this was what we needed to hear from her. But yes, candid, I agree. And I guess we should always praise our politicians for being candid. London is on the brink.

We all know it. The latest development is Sadiya. Khan's council backing this ridiculous painting on the streets of our biggest shopping districts saying mind the grab taken of course as they play on words of that iconic mind the gap line on the tube but mind the grab is referring to the fact that it is now impossible literally impossible in central London to walk with your phone out like that without being mugged. It's happened to me twice. So you would hope that given Sadiq Khan is a very, very nefarious player in all of this,

that there was someone behind him, at least, someone behind him on the crime side, who genuinely had the best intentions of Londoners and genuinely was across their brief. But unfortunately, and I'm going to be very brutal about this, London has a thick-o deputy mayor who has been exposed for rank incompetence. And I've got to talk about it today. This woman is called Kaya Coma Schwartz. Born and raised in Islington, no surprise. she's of Zimbabwean descent. She's a total Khan sycophant

who worked her way up through left-wing politics in Jeremy Corbyn's district and was eventually appointed Deputy Mayor of London for policing and crime under Khan in October 24. That same month she had to immediately publicly apologize for calling London Assembly Chair Susan Hall, a very good woman, a racist and climate change denier during contentious pre-employment hearings.

But it's Susan Hall, who has been able to expose this woman for a blithering idiot, not across her brief, not across the facts, and certainly with not a care in the world for the safety of Londoners. Remember, this woman, like Sadiq Khan, will not even admit that there are widespread Pakistani rape gangs currently operating in London, something that even the British Bashing Corporation now does. My friend Bernie Spofford, posted of this woman, words cannot describe how bad this is. This is London's deputy mayor for crime and policing on 148,000 pounds a year. Her job is to oversee the police, deliver the crime plan, and crut crime. A senior job requires a capable, articulate and intelligent leader.

How on earth is this even possible? It's so absurd. Emily Hewitson, on having seen the video I'm about to show you, said, I genuinely thought this was a skit at first, but no, that is actually the deputy mayor of London. No wonder the city's falling apart with her and Sadiq Khan in charge. Now, I wanted to set that up, and I also want to be very honest with you. the reason that not many people have pointed out the rank incompetence of this woman who cannot even string a sentence together

even though she's meant to be protecting us is because they are so terrified of being called racist by the left so I happily take that risk tonight and I let you be the judge watch why isn't the mayor here Because I'm the Deputy Mayor for Police and Crime. Yes, I know. We all know that. But since the Mayor is making this decision, why isn't he here?

The Mayor has sent me as his Deputy Mayor for Police and Crime. I've heard your statement. So tell me, when was the Mayor actually told this was happening? The Mayor has, as well as all of us, been involved in the conversations about the budget since September last year. So he knew about the front counters closing last September, did he? No, he knew about the need to look through the... Yeah, no, we all know that. When was he told that the front counters were closing?

Like all of us, the Commissioner outlined proposals for tough choices in autumn last year. Can you just tell me, when was he actually told or was he asked that they were actually closing? Was he consulted or was he just told that the front counters were closing? Which is it? He was consulted. When? We've had several meetings as we went through it. Okay, give me a rough idea.

What months? We saw the most developed proposal on this thing in July. So basically he's known about this for quite some time. He's known about the proposal, the exact list of the proposal, similarly, about the same time as we all knew. We all knew. He's the police and crime commissioner. That surprises me.

So he knew at the same time as we knew. Is that right? No, we had initial meetings relatively recently, but what I'm saying is... That's what I'm asking you. There we are. There we are. We've got down to the original question.

When was that? Just how long has the... Now, let that sink in. That woman who you just saw on screen, answering Susan, Hall's questions is in charge of our safety, is in charge of stopping the rampant crime waves taking over London. Now let's be fair for one second. Okay, could she have been having a really off day? Okay. Could there have just been a case? Maybe there was something going on in her life.

We all have particularly bad days. But unfortunately, I'm only coming to this story today because we have seen time after time after time where Kaya Koma Schwartz proves that she should not be in any public role. Watch. When will the assessment of the impact of that cut, if indeed the cut is made, when will the assessment of that impact be published?

Once again, Chair, I think it's difficult for me to talk about something that hasn't happened. I know, but you can't make the decision unless you've assessed the impact it's going to make. So you must be making an assessment of the impact of it before you make that decision, because it should go that way round. So when do you think that assessment is going to be made? Because this does affect a hell of a lot of people. So that's what I'm asking.

When do you expect the assessment to have been made? Obviously, I know you know this chair, but obviously that is a decision that it will be taken by the Metropolitan Police. I know that that's one of the reasons the Commissioner talked about the tough choices in the autumn so that they could work up these working plans and assessment of the impact and what the mitigations are. Yeah, you're right. I understand that. But equally, we all understand if you're going to cut the Flying Squad, if you're going to cut the Royal Police, you're going to do, you're going to have to assess the damage that that's going to do. So approximately, when are you looking for those assessments to be out there?

Colin Frazier, I know that's painful, but I think it's really important to show it in some sense of context. But the fact that this woman is in charge of crime and policing in London is surely, a huge concern. Do you remember, Dan, about 10, maybe 15 years ago on the BBC News channel, they accidentally put a taxi driver live on air. Guy Gomer. I'll never forget it. He's taking him for a knowledgeable guest on the subject at hand. It reminds me a little bit of that. It's as if they've got the wrong person to sit in the chair. It's simply extraordinary. 100, I think you mentioned 148, I've read 151, who knows who's right, a lot of money of our money. But the point is, a massive salary, about 150,000 pounds.

It's extraordinary. It's simply extraordinary. And it speaks to, I think, the declining caliber of our mainstream politicians. It's become a riff in the last year and more that we are served by politicians who might ordinarily grace your local students union. I think we've got a terrible problem with the calibre of politicians we've got coming through. Whatever the reasons may be, I know it's a trope to say they've never done a real job, but it is a real problem. One of the, one of the hopes I have, I'm not expressing an opinion about how the next election goes or who I'm going to vote for, but if reform do manage to get a tsunami of new MPs into the House of Commons, they will bring with them a huge amount of real life experience,

which I can't speak to the deputy mayor's experience. You suggest, Dan, and I've no doubt it's not, it's true, that she's lived forever in the political bubble of North London and now the mayor's office, but she seems similarly ill-equipped, just on a basic level to inspire any kind of confidence. Just very briefly, I was thinking ahead to a story we're going to cover later, hopefully,

and I got to thinking about some of the politicians we had. This was actually in connection with that dreadful Westminster VIP sex abuse scandal. And I remember doing, when I was at GB News, a long, they were all long opinion piece, looking at Edward Heath, who was one of those names that was dragged into that, as it turned out, completely made up story about a paedophile sex ring. Edward Heath was the son of a carpenter and a lady's maid. He went to grammar school in Oxford. He sailed around the world. He conducted the London Symphony Orchestra. He was a concert pianist. He was decorated during World War II. I mean, he then took us into the European Commission. He wasn't perfect. But my point is, what an extraordinary hinterland politicians had then. Margaret Thatcher's first cabinet, there were three military crosses. I know they've been a war. And thank goodness we don't live in a time where our politicians. that are drawn from that wartime generation.

But to see a politician like this in a really important role is simply extraordinary. Totally because you're right, they might not be able to be drawn from our forces, though, of course, we have had Afghanistan and Iran. And Jarvis. Indeed. But the problem seems to be, Colin,

they are drawn from a tiny pool of political, extremists and especially a politician like Khan because he has no competition. Absolutely no competition, right? So he rules City Hall in London with an iron fist and he will only hire arch loyalists. And that is the biggest weakness, isn't it? I've always thought it's the biggest weakness of a leader, someone who isn't prepared to be challenged. And indeed, I would say, I think one of Nigel Farage's problems is the fact that he is threatened by people, as was proven by what happened. happened with Rupert Lowe earlier this year because I think for reform to succeed, you're absolutely right. It's going to have to bring, what do they call it, sort of a cabinet of

champions. You know, that is going to be the way to save this government. Government of all the talents. Goh. 100%. Colin, though, given you mentioned Guy Goma, you know, you can't mention Guy Goma on this show without me actually watching Guy Goma because it's probably one of my favorite moments of television ever. So given Colin mentioned it, I am going to use the excuse to play it. This was when the taxi driver was put on BBC News speaking as an expert about Apple technology. Well, Guy CUNY is the editor of the technology website News Wireless. Hello, good morning to you. Good morning. Were you surprised by this verdict today? I'm very surprised to see. this verdict to come on me because I was not expecting that when I came they

told me something else and I'm coming you got an interviewer so a big surprise anyway a big surprise yeah yeah with regards to the cost that's involved do you think now more people will be downloading online actually if you can go everywhere you're gonna see a lot of people downloading to the internet and the website everything they want. But I think it's much better for the development and to improve people what they want and to get on the easy way and so fast everything they're looking for.

This does really seem to be the way the music industry is progressing now that people want to go onto the website and download music. Exactly. You can go everywhere on the cyber cafe and you can take it. You can go easy. It's going to be a very easy way for everyone to get something to the internet. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks very much indeed. I think we can now also speak to Rob Pitton, who's... Oh, gosh. One of the best moments. One of the best moments in British television history.

What would you have done if you were that presenter, Colin? I'd have done exactly what she did. I'm trying to bluff my way through whilst thinking, this isn't right. Ray Jean, what producer book this guest? He did a better job than Kaya Coma Schwartz in answering questions. Yes. Yes. Very true. Very true.

You've just seen the wheels turning. I mean, you've done live tell you down. I've done live tell you. You can just see the wheels turning. She's thinking something's not quite right here, but she plows on. I mean, fair play. Breaking right now, a ticking time bomb at the British Bashing Corporation. as the British publicly funded broadcaster is swept into a brand-new crisis,

this one of its own making. Because I'm very clear that if you have one rule for straight white male presenters, and I'm talking about Greg Wallace and John Terode here, so the line when it came to Greg Wallace and John Terode was that making a slightly sexually inappropriate joke, or in the case of To-Road, rapping a Kanye West song that included the N-word was enough to have your two decades-long BBC career ruined, your reputation trashed, and the case of Wallace driving you very close to suicide, then those rules also need apply to females or people of colour, or gay people or trans people working within the BBC right.

But that is not the case, because what we have seen over the past few weeks, is behaviour by Nagamuncetti, the BBC breakfast host, which has included claims of bullying, claims of telling sexualised jokes to younger producers, claims of making people cry when her porridge is not hot enough, totally ignored by management because of her characteristics. Now, Charlie State, it has been revealed today by The Sun, has also been dragged.

into this bullying probe. Will he receive different treatment than Naga? But now an exclusive in the Sun today about potentially another senior BBC star? Or are they talking about Naga Munchetti and just not prepared to say it yet? I'll let you be the judge. Let me take you through this story.

Fresh BBC scandal, The Sun report. after top female star showed Dick Pick to horrified junior member of staff. Until recently, the draw-dropping incident had remained a story whispered only in the halls of BBC HQ, but bosses are all too aware that the son knows every detail. And their reporter wrote that the son can reveal that one of the corporation's leading ladies has been hauled in by horrified bee bosses and made to apologize for the unsolicited photograph. The woman who ranked in the corporation's top 50 highest paid this year, just a footnote, and I'm not necessarily saying for sure that there is a direct link, but as a footnote,

Nagamonchetti is in those top 50 highest paid stars, was said to have asked a horrified junior member of stuff about her preferences and then showed her a nude image on her mobile phone. Precisely whose member was flashed isn't known, but the alleged move was considered so offensive. The female talent was called in by execs and asked to apologize. Until recently, the jaw-dropping incident had remained a story whispered only in the halls of BBC HQ. However, the rising outcry over standards at the Beeb, following the Hugh Edwards, Master Chef and Strictly scandals, means there's no longer room for dirty little secrets. And BBC bosses are all too aware that the sun knows every little detail of this woman's indiscretion.

A source close to the scandal said it's a ticking time bomb in among stalemate. As soon as the name of this woman and details of her bad behaviour are, unleashed, it will derail entire departments and mark the first female to be formally swept up into the BBC's wrongdoing roll call. The woman asked the young producer if she liked dickpicks and then showed her a picture on her mobile phone. It was meant to be joking, locker room-type banter, but the woman was completely horrified and cried about it. No one minds a bit of office banter, but this was on another level. She felt like it was an intentionally shocking move to intimidate, veiled as a joke. It was way too much. The woman had to apologize to the girl. It's double

standards, but somehow a woman being involved in showing Dick Picks feels much more offensive than a male. Jermaine Genus lost his job for sharing such things. The release of her name would be seismic. Colin Brazier, this is a really interesting story to me, because I'm torn in a way. Part of me thinks Snowflake producers behind the scenes who are Uber woke, right, need to deal with a little bit of banter. But, and there's a huge but in this case,

if this female staff member showing dickpicks to producers was a man, we both know, Colin, they would be out. I mean, Jermaine Genus was out for a few text messages. John Terode was out for rehearsing some Kanye West song lyrics in a bar, which happened to include the N-word. Greg Wallace was out for a whole succession. of sure, maybe boredy, maybe inappropriate jokes, but jokes nonetheless. Yet this female star, many people are assuming it's Nagamonchetti, the sun has not confirmed

that, but this female star is quite clearly, I would argue, being given different treatment. How do you feel about it? I'm going to keep this at the sort of level of generalities because I always get that slight spider sends twitch at the back of my head when we start naming individuals. I'll leave that to you, Dan, and I understand why it's necessary. I think you're probably right. I think there are, there is a danger of double standards. I think that John To Road case was particularly egregious for him to simply be quoting

the lyrics, the Canyon West lyrics that included the N-word and be fired for that. It's simply extraordinary. I think part of the problem is that there isn't a process which meets the standard, say you would find and expect to find, in a legal, setting. The BBC isn't necessarily interested in sifting through evidence carefully and giving it due proportionality. It's interested in keeping the public's confidence and avoiding scary headlines. That's its principal motivation, not serving justice on individuals. To what you began by saying, Dan, I'm very much of that school. I'm a bit of a free speech

absolutist for one thing. I think that people have to scream fire very loudly in a crowded theatre for me to start worrying about it. And I did start my career in newspapers, Yorkshire Post, where things happened in terms of newsroom theatre, which now would make people blanche with horror. I think people need to remember this. God, I'm thinking back to the News of the World Newsroom, Colin. Imagine.

But, you know, these are people, there were grizzled reporters there who had seen horror upon horror and part of their coping mechanism was to drink four pines at lunchtime, very unhealthy. but also deploy a degree of gallows humour. 100%. It would absolutely be, would recoil from. As I said earlier, the past is another country. They do things differently there.

I'm not defending somebody showing somebody else a dick pick. That feels like it's crossed a line. But I can sort of imagine in the stressful world, the early morning hours, if it is morning TV, people are under enormous stress. Sometimes they do things which in the cold, night of day and with their agent standing on their shoulder on this shoulder and the lawyer on this shoulder and HR over there, they probably think it was probably injudicious in

retrospect. Yeah, 100%. And I think it's very important for me to say, by the way, this is not an issue where I have a personal issue with Nagamuncetti. I mean, she's paid 355,000 pounds to 359,000 pounds to present on BBC breakfast, her Radio 5 live show, the UK general election. I have no personal issue with her. Indeed, her husband, very, very nice man who worked with us on the launch of GV News. He's a very accomplished director. But I, but unfortunately, the BBC has been prepared to throw so many other people under the bus. And I know what it's like to be cancelled over false allegations. So I also feel that someone like Nagamonchetti deserves due process in a case like this. But the problem is, Jermaine Gina's, I don't think, received due process. He was out.

He was out before anything. And he had sent text messages to a woman who he believed was interested in him. And again, that's a weird one, Colin, isn't it? Because in the past, Certainly in television, that would be totally normal as a star meeting someone who they worked with. I mean, he's married. So you could argue that morally that crosses a line. But we are in very interesting times. We're also in very interesting times, Colin, because last night the BBC made the decision to broadcast MasterChef. I don't know if you know about this with John Terode and Greg Wallis.

And he got three million, he got three million viewers. And last time I've got 3.7. So there's a downward curve. It is August. Yeah. Should we have a little look? Because apparently they edited out the jokes. Chicken is wonderful.

With sweetness, saltiness, and then raw chili heat. I am really, really enjoying this. Love the texture of the egg across the top of the rice. The lovely fragrance of the aniseed thy basil running through the whole thing. It's got style. It's got elegance. But the flavors match it completely. well. It's great. I mean, this raises so many interesting questions for me, Colin,

because you know the BBC will not show an old episode of Top of the Pops that features Jimmy Saville. But even an old episode of Top of the Pops now that features PDD or, you know, Archali singing a song. And they won't play the moment that the late Queen's death was announced on air because it was Hugh Edwards, a convicted paedophile, who read that bulletin. But don't you think that potentially the pendulum has just swung far too far here? Because really, Colin, think about this. If the BBC genuinely believed that Greg Wallace and John Thoreau were terrible individuals who had committed some sort of crime, there is no way they would be broadcasting this series.

or dad they may be so short of material that can get 3 million viewers that they are determined to show it come hell or high water I think also there was a justification I mean we saw the amateur chef I'm guessing with what looked like a fun let's put me in the mood for dinner what looked like a delicious dish they've said I think that it would have been unfair to the chefs who took part for them not to have their moment in the sun and I sort of get that let's let's not ignore what really matters I mean I know celebrity will always shift papers and clicks and all the rest of it. But let's not lose sight of the bigger picture, which is that when you, and nobody does anymore, but if they still switched on to the today program and listen to the North American editor

or the international editor in the Middle East, depicting in panto terms, Donald Trump has only ever getting things totally wrong and never doing anything, anything at all, which could be considered to be a success. And ditto, Vinya Minut and Yahoo in Israel. the corrosive impact on public trust at people being seemingly so partial, I think that's the most serious threat of BBC faces,

not whether it actually broadcast a back issue of MasterChev. I mean, I couldn't agree with you more. I couldn't agree with you more. But doesn't this come down to the fact, though, that the BBC has now completely lost the trust and the faith of the British population? I mean, if you look at this front page of the sun today, It's just embarrassing, isn't it? It's just embarrassing.

You know, BBC Stu and they're talking about triple chaos because you've got the MasterShare fairing, you've got the Dick Pick story, you've got the Charlie State story. I mean... Do you know what, Dan, I don't think we're far off a tipping point. Yes. Where actually it just doesn't shift papers. I mean, papers aren't going to be around for much longer anyway,

but the BBC becomes so marginal. You know, EastEnders, 30 million viewers not so very long ago. 3 million now. Let's not even talk about the figures for things like the news channel or news broadcasts or whatever it is. The BBC is in terminal decline and a lot of that is self-inflicted and a lot of people have voted with their feet and their licence fee and I rejoice at that. I think the idea of people being compelled to pay on pain of prosecution for a service which they actively feel misrepresents their interests in the way that BBC, I'm afraid, has done in recent years in particular. It's not long for the world. And people like you, I've said this before,

and it's not to be sycophantic, it's simply to state the truth, Dan, that people who have ventured all and with enormous entrepreneurial spirit and risk-taking zeal have decided that they can offer an alternative. And you only have to look at your figures and look at their figures and you see which way the wind is blowing. Well, thank you for saying that. But yes, I mean, I 100% agree. And I do think, and actually it was David Frost, Lord Frost, who posted earlier this week. Did you see some of the people who slag him off for it? People like Gavin Barwell. Need you say more.

Who's more in touch with the country? Because the argument David Frost was making, right, was actually what's even the point of watching BBC News anymore? Because even if you didn't agree with the BBC in the past, you probably felt you had to watch it because it was to an extent, right, reflecting where the country was at, what the country was at. country was talking about. Well, this week, Colin, it could not be further from the truth. I mean, I put myself through the ordeal at 10 o'clock at night because I feel I have a duty to see how off-based the mainstream media is and I get lots of ideas about what I need to talk about on the show. But I'm not exaggerating, Colin, for the past two weeks with Britain on the brink,

usually every night, the first 15 to 16 minutes of a 30-minute bulletin has been taken up with Gaza. then about the next four or five minutes usually a story about Donald Trump or Jeffrey Epstein and I think does that not tell you where the BBC thinks the British population is out?

It's not as you know and as you've said over the years down it's not just the BBC. You've got a cohort of media workers who have totally, totally lost touch with the idea of a customer they are broadcasting, they are arranging

schedules, ordering running orders and telling and booking guests for their peers, for their contemporaries. They are putting tele together for other tele executives, not for the viewers. When will there be justice for the victims of James O'Brien? This is a very important story.

And I've got to be honest with you. I give huge credit for Harvey Proctor for being prepared to talk for the first time about the way that O'Brien, the creditorist lead presenter of LBC, destroyed his life because he brought into the lies of a fantasist paedophile. Probably a lot of you will not know the details of the story of Carl Beach and how James O'Brien gave that story a massive platform. And after the recent protests outside LBC by the Jewish community who were utterly horrified about the very clear blood liables that James O'Brien broadcast on air. It does feel like there is a changing of the mood. I think it's time for James O'Brien to face justice. And I'm going to

take you through the story today using the brave words of Harvey Proctor. Then we will get reaction from the brilliant Colin Brazier, who obviously will have an interesting point of view on this because, as well as being a launch presenter at G.B. News and spending decades at Sky News before it was sly news, you know, when it was Murdoch owned. His most recent role was as a presenter alongside James O'Brien at LBC. So Harvey Procter went public on this, posting on X of James O'Brien,

his role in supporting Carl Beach to expouse his wickedly lies and allegations against innocent men should not be forgotten or forgiven. I believe LBC and its lawyers must reflect on the consequences of platforming deceit and consider James O'Brien's position. Now here's a reminder of the type of bile that James O'Brien was pumping out about Harvey Proctor a completely innocent man based on the lies of the fantasist pedophile Carl Beach Watch. Harvey Proctor's name became a byword for sexual scandal when he was found to have paid rent boys to call him sir and pretend he was their headmaster while he spanked them furiously. He also lied about it egregiously and several times, but none of that comes even close to the things he stands accused of today. Should these investigations, questions, allegations be examined publicly or does he have the right to remain innocent and secret, if you will, until proven otherwise?

Well, if you want people who have been abused to learn for the first time in British history that they'll be treated with respect and compassion and trust, then you have to do it in public, don't you? Now, let's be honest. Let's be honest. If you listen to that as an outsider, it is completely clear that James O'Brien believed that Harvey Proctor was guilty. He didn't really believe that Harvey Proctor deserved any due process. It was obvious.

And that sort of bile continued on LBC day after day, week after week, until it was revealed that Carl Beach was one of the biggest fantasist paedophiles to ever trick the British judiciary. This was a scandal of such monumental proportions, but because James O'Brien is such a key part of the deep state, the establishment, the British MSM, it was virtually ignored. Credit to Douglas Murray of the spectator who has been one of the only people keeping James O'Brien honest about this issue. Now, you would know if you listen to James O'Brien, that if this was a figure on the right,

who had been suckered in by such a despicable figure, and then, by the way, tried to ruin the lives and reputations of living individuals, but also former Prime Ministers, like Ted Heath, he would have called on them to resign. All we got from James O'Brien was this measly tweet. He wrote, Hate the Carl Beach story. We gave his allegations against dead politicians

a lot of coverage on the show. And it turns out he was bullshitting everyone. But from Rotherham to Westminster to the BBC, telling abuse survivors that they'll be believed, still things the right thing to do. Avi Proctor responded to this very recently asking, where is the apology, James O'Brien? Only against dead politicians?

I'm not dead, which is why I'm speaking out. Beach accused me of being a serial child murdering paedophile. It destroyed my life, career and reputation. You gave those lies oxygen on your LBC radio show. Am I the wrong type of victim? Do I not deserve an apology? What about the families of Leon Britton, Edward Heath and Edward Bramel? Did they not deserve better than this tone-deaf shrug dressed up as principle? Beach wasn't just bullshitting. He was perverting justice and he was sentenced to 18 years for it.

Yet your takeaway is a vague lament about still believing all allegations. How you hate to be wrong? that's not accountability, it's cowardice. And by the way, Slippery Star Moral Prime Minister and James O'Brien are completely wrong to say all victims should be believed. Because trust me, I know from bitter personal experience that false allegations are made against high-profile people

of the sexual domain on a regular basis from political enemies who want to finish people off. that apology was not enough from James O'Brien and the fact that he is still broadcasting every day on LBC is astonishing. Harvey Proctor has gone further though, bravely penning this column for the Daily Telegraph where he says James O'Brien's careless self-righteousness caused devastating change, damage to my life. And he says the LBC presenter continues to peddle moral certainty, yet has never

apologized for turning a laughable conspiracy into a national witch hunt. He went on to say that today the LBC presenter is once again facing calls to be taken off air after he read out a plainly absurd and anti-Semitic claim from a listener that Jews are taught Arabs are cockroaches to be crushed. And he says that latest incident proves he hasn't changed, from it, and it's why Harvey Proctor is speaking out for the first time about the way he treated me and other distinguished public servants who became embroiled in a heinous conspiracy theory, cooked up by the Lyical Beach, and amplified by O'Brien. This is a complicated story involving Harvey Proctor's sex life, and he wrote, let me state it plainly, in 1986 and

1987, I did not lie about anything. I refused to confirm to the press at the time who asked incessantly that I was a homosexual. Not because I was afraid or ashamed, but because it was nobody's business but mine. The same cannot be said for the Sunday people whose aim was not justice but scandal, not truth, but exposure. At the time, the age of consent for homosexuals was 21, five years higher than for heterosexuals. I believe genuinely that the man involved was of age, indeed he'd confirmed to me to be on tape. My initial plea was not guilty on that basis. It was only when my solicitor informed me that no such defence was permitted under the law and homosexual cases that I changed my plea. In retrospect, I should have pleaded not guilty and challenged the

grotesquely unequal law. But I wanted to shield my mother, my brother and my partner of now over 50 years from further intrusion. The media had already circled like vultures and launched a campaign of humiliation. The Metropolitan Police joined them, trawling London, showing photographs of me in the city's gay bars and asking patrons if they ever slept with me. It was not justice. It was persecution. For more than 10 years, many people have urged me to turn my attention to James O'Brien to ensure he has held accountable for his shameful and credulous support of Carl Beach, a liar who falsely accused me of being part of the now infamous and widely discredited Westminster VIP paedifying. Until now, I have resisted. Not because the case

against O'Brien wasn't strong, but because I was otherwise engaged with those higher up the food chain. Individuals with real power and influence who either enabled Beach or fan the flames of his witch hunt. These include former deputy leader of the Labour Party, Tom Watson, the senior police officers who led Operation Midland and Dame Cressor to Dick. They were the architects of persecution. O'Brien was its echo chamber. But he adds, his role should not be forgotten or forgiven. He was indeed a central chairleader for one of the most grotesque miscarriages of justice in recent British history. He gave a powerful platform to Beach, a convicted liar fraudster and paedophile, whose falsehoods wrecked lives. While most journalists viewed Beach's absurd conspiracy theories with justified skepticism,

O'Brien indulged them regularly on his LBC program, unlike his colleague Eandale, who gave unwavering support to me and other victims of Operation Midland at a time when few dared to do so. He played recordings of Beach on air, praised the disgraced Xero News for supposedly schooling the rest of the media. and accused anyone who expressed doubt of being part of an establishment cover-up. In doing so, he lent moral authority and credibility to a liar who accused distinguished public servants of the most horrific crimes, including D-Day veterans like Lord Bramill, and who falsely implicated me in the most sickening of crimes.

As Douglas Murray, so rightly chronicled in the spectator, O'Brien's enthusiasm for Beecher's lies, was exceptional even among the most credulous. He helped transform what should have been a laughable conspiracy into a national witch hunt. And here's the result of that. He says he lost his home, he lost his livelihood. I was reduced to living in a converted shed with my partner, three dogs and no running rorter.

At one point, I received so many credible death threats that police advise me to leave my home immediately. But unlike O'Brien, I did not have a radio studio from which to deflect responsibility. I had nothing but the truth. Yet when Beech was finally exposed in sentence, what was O'Brien's response? Just self-pitying shrug dressed up as principle. He goes on to say decades later O'Brien repeated the allegations without qualification. He says the offences for which I was convicted in 1987 are no longer offences. The law has changed, society has changed, but O'Brien has not.

He continues to peddle moral certainty while refusing to reckon with his own past, a past in which he gave oxygen to falsehood ruined reputations and incited a witch hunt with chilling zeal. I am not the only victim of O'Brien's actions with regards to Carl Beach, but I am one of the few still alive to respond. And Colin Brazier, from a personal point of view, I know O'Brien hasn't changed because when I was being subjected, to absolute smears and total lies, part of a political witch hunt by an outlet called Byline Times, very similar to XRA media. Guess who amplified them? Guess who retweeted every single one of them, James O'Brien. So I don't believe he has learnt his lesson. But how do you feel about this incredibly powerful column from Harvey Proctor, especially given

that you were a colleague of James O'Brien very recently and he is still treated as a godlike figure at LBC. Our path's never really crossed Dan. I mean, I was doing the graveyard shift at 10pm until 1am and he was on in the mid-morning. I'll say this. I don't like

his style of broadcasting. I find the voice difficult, the way he expresses himself difficult. But I don't again, I'm not going to be drawn into I think you've laid it out incredibly strongly there, but I just want to focus on a couple of things, if I may.

Please. Well, I still remember watching at Sky, watching the press conference in Salisbury on the cathedral close there outside the home that had been the home of Sir Edward Heath, the former Prime Minister, and listening to the Chief Constable of Wiltshire Constabulary, and you were so right to identify this, because words matter, Dan. People think, you know, words, No, words matter. Semantics really matter. The precise meaning of words have consequences. The Chief Council of Wiltshire Police stood there and said, victims, not alleged victims, victims. And this idea that victims would be believed if they came forward was incredibly undermining and corrosive to this incredibly boring but incredibly important legal process we have.

and the idea of being innocent until proven guilty. Just think about it. The word victims means that a crime has been committed against you. Not might have been or allegedly, it has been. Victims, you will be believed. And for me, that was an extraordinary moment. And lots of people were dragged into it. I remember reading people on Twitter who I expected better from,

showing extraordinary credulity and not enough skeptics. And let's not forget, and Harvey Proctor highlights this brilliantly, I think, that some of those people, I mean, imagine, imagine your Edwin, Lord Bramel, you've led this extraordinary life of service. You've gone onto the beaches at D-Day. You've escaped by a hare's bread with your life intact. And you've become the head of the British Army, a field marshal. And your wife, he goes to, he goes, he dies before this all comes out, before Beach is revealed to be a total fantasist and jailed for what was 18 years. Ditto Leon, Britain. And the problem is, Dan, as you know, people think, no smoke without fire, there's something in it. And that's why it's such a powerful smear still, which is why Peter Kyle, a couple of weeks ago, disgustingly suggested that Nigel Farage, by being against the Online Safety Act, there's Edwin Brown, by being against the Online Safety Act was somehow in league with or sympathetic in some way. to a community file like Jimmy Saville. So it's a really powerful smear. And the problem is, even post-Carl Beach, you will still get people who will say,

no smoke without fire. Well, yes, but in this case, when you're talking about James O'Brien, I guess why this has come to the fore again, Colin, is that he is asking for our forgiveness, or maybe his paymaster's forgiveness, because he's saying that when he repeated that blood libel on air, it was a genuine mistake. Now, a whole load of Jewish protesters very recently stormed LBC.

They made some powerful points. So before you come back to this, just watch what happened outside their headquarters at Leicester Square. About what's happened, what James O'Brien read out. Shame on you! Shame on you! Shame on you! Shame on you! Shame on you! Now Ashley Tabor King, Michael Tabor, the Jews who started and run the global radios. James O'Brien, do they think non-Jews like you are cockroaches? Get him out! Get him out! Get him out! Get him out! Get him out! Get him out! Get him out! Get him out! Get him out! Get him out! Get him out! Get him out! and it's the media and lies spread by the media like James O'Brien like LBC

that caused so much of the anti-Semitism we see today now Colin James O'Brien wants us to forgive him and believe that this was just another mistake clearly the bosses have accepted that Do you think they should? I don't know, Dan. I don't know the details. It's a balance they're going to have to weigh carefully, and it's a decision which will have far-reaching impacts,

depending on what they decide, because he is, against my better judgment, an extremely popular influence. Of course. I mean, I guess I come at this from such an interesting point of view again, because for me, again, it's about hypocrisy, right? You know he was leading the witch hunt against me at G.B. News. And they gave in to that left wing witch hunt, right? Which it was in my case. Yes, there'd been all of this pressure on me because of the false allegations from Byline Times. But you'll remember, Lawrence Fox was on air. He said he didn't want to shag a particular woman called Ava Santina. My reaction was deemed. not to have been sort of stern enough. And it was James O'Brien and all of that mob, including Gordon Brown, by the way,

who went on Sky News and said that I should never broadcast again in the United Kingdom. And you compare that to the repetition of a buddle-like. This is the problem. To me, this all comes down to that issue of hypocrisy again. They believe they are a protected species and that there should be one rule for them. I'm going to just shift this on a little bit

or shift it back to 2014 Dan I was sent to cover that dreadful plane crash it wasn't well it was ultimately a plane crash it was blown up in the air by a Russian missile that was a KLM flight heading over Ukraine and having not had much sleep

and having been confronted by the sight of dogs running off with body parts because more than 300 people were blown up when that plane was hit by a Russian missile I made the mistake, I say mistake, maybe I'll come on to that, of during a live broadcast for Sky saying that I shouldn't be doing this because I was picking up a piece of luggage on the floor and it was actually a plastic cut belonging to a child and I was actually in tears at the time. It was incredibly emotional and a hideous, hideous experience.

And there was a bit of a Twitter storm about it. Thank you. There was a bit of a Twitter storm about it. And I'm afraid the Daily Mail, a newspaper I have written for, and probably would write for again, maybe, in the event of them asking me, decided, given that it was maybe three or four days after the dust had settled and this plane crash had happened,

to really go to town on it. And for anybody who's not been in the centre of a media witch hunt, I caution, well, I would suggest some caution, because it's a hideous place to be. At the time, I had six young children and a wife who had cancer, and the Daily Mail decided they were going to get me out of a job. And like you with Gordon Brown, even they were doorstepping David Cameron,

the then Prime Minister, about something else. And the Daily Mail reporter said, well, this character from Sky, he should be sacked, shouldn't he? Yes, he said. But I suppose what I'm saying, Dan, is that the answer to the witch hunt is not then to turn it into a witch hunt against a million. No, no, I know. I know.

And this is what is what is really interesting. from my perspective because I'm not saying James O'Brien should be sacked for having read out a letter on air, which he's then apologised for. But he was saying that I should have been sacked for something that Lawrence Fox said on my show. So I think it's number one point to their rank hypocrisy. However, Carl Beach, far, far, far more serious. James O'Brien destroyed lives with his amplification of that paedophile fantasist. Well, I would split a hair with you, Dan. I would split a hair with you.

Carl Beach was the principal author of the destruction of reputations. And that's why the law ultimately sent him away for as long as it did. And I think in so doing taught all of us a valuable lesson about who to believe, how to test evidence, sometimes to destruction and when to employ a degree of... But I can tell you, Colin. It was senior police officers who believed every bit as much as media...

But I can tell you he hasn't learned his lesson from that, from personal experience. Do you see what I mean? Because, again, if he had come away from that and said, I am going to interrogate much more closely allegations of a sexual nature against my political enemies,

and I'm not going to rush to judgment because I've learned from this, I might accept that. But as I say, what James O'Brien did to me over that period was utterly twisted. Because remember, he has a massive following on X, or at least he did at the time. And he amplified on a daily basis allegations against me that were untrue, I mean, provably untrue. And obviously, I've been through various investigations. prove that they're untruth. But he had done none of his own journalism. This is the thing. He, just like how he used Ex-R-O media to repeat all of the allegations of Carl Beach, he did exactly

the same thing with Byline Times to repeat all of the allegations against me. So I would argue he has not learned his lesson from that. And if you're going to try and destroy someone's life, you better be pretty certain that you're not relying on a dodgy media outfit. And I can tell Exxaro was dodgy. I knew it at the time. I mean, Colin, I was working in national newspapers at the time. I never once repeated a Carl Beach allegation. Not once. I was at the son. I was at talk. I never once repeated a Carl Beach allegation because I knew that Xero was a dodgy outfit. And I think it was the same thing with me in Byline Times. Right. Any journalist worth half their salt were like, hang on a moment. Do you know what I mean? And he just did the same thing. He just did the same thing.

So I have huge sympathy for Harvey Proctor. Yeah, no, and me too. And I would just say that in the heat of battle, when it feels like your life is hanging by a gossamer thread, and I think back to 2014, you will say things by way of a mayor culper, which years later perhaps you look at and think, did I really mean it?

And I'm saying that from a personal point of view, because I was, by the time the Daily Mail had kicked me around the park, my career was pretty much over. As I say, I had six young children, I had a wife who was dying and later died of cancer. And she actually said, you've got to get them in the front foot. And I wrote a piece which was basically an apology, an extended apology. And I was filled with a disgust because I didn't feel I'd actually done anything wrong.

You did. Absolutely nothing wrong. Absolutely nothing wrong. Do you know what Megan Kelly? I'll never forget that she described it to me because I obviously did it too. And she described it as, Dan, you did the hostage. video apology. And everyone does in that moment because all of your defences are down. You know, you're not sleeping. You feel totally ruined. And she did the same thing, actually.

She was totally ridiculously accused of racism over a blackface story that she had told on air. But she wasn't defending blackface. It was not. And she came on air and she gave the hostage video apology. They never work. Although in your case, I think you could argue that it did, column because you had a brilliant second act to your career at gb news and you're still going strong and it is so good to have you on outspoken absolutely love it columbrasia thank you so much really really appreciate your time and i'm going to reveal greatest britain union jackass in just one moment but first lots of comments coming in from you today luke edwards uh speaking about my digest earlier said i watched that news night and was shocked at the representation of what is happening the liverpool

editor was hugely biased and totally wrong. I totally agree. On the coin based ad, oh my God, this made me laugh, Steve. Steve, you're a funny one. Steve said, nope, the only thing that would make that advert more accurate would be to have Richard Tice and Isabel Oakshot in the convertible, you know, because those two people like we're moving to Dubai, they now are. And Pixie Sterling on the deputy mayor of London said, can you imagine how Maggie Thatcher, what Maggie Thatcher would say about the London Deputy Mayor and the Mayor, which would be horrified. And thank you, by the way, to Ralph Norton, Shash Ayers, Vicky, oh, Ralph Norton and Sash Ayers for joining Outspoken Plus.

And thank you to Sciart by Rusty Nuts and Vicki Ann for your super chats today. Really, really appreciate it. Okay, now it's time to reveal today's greatest Britain and Union. Jackass, your union jackass nominees, Bonnie Blue put forward by Muriel MBE, Pears Morgan by Philly Pantigan for trying to catch out Tommy Robinson and Vanessa Freak from Tyke talking because of her reform UK positions on the trans prisoner scandal. Your results are in with 10% of the vote it's Vanessa Freak, the runner-up Bonnie Blue, but by an overwhelming margin, 68% of you saying that Pairs Morgan is your union jackass today.

And of course, because it is Thursday, tomorrow we will be announcing the worst Britain in the world this week. Pairs Morgan is the only man to be nominated. He's up alongside Narenda Kaur from Monday, Bush Reshake from Tuesday, and Yvette Cooper from Wednesday. I'm going to set that poll live the moment this show finishes so you can go and vote in our community section of or the posts section of YouTube. That's where you find it.

Today's greatest person, though, nominated by Jane Kendrick, Aunt Middleton, because he can take on Kahn. Now, make sure you're with us tomorrow for our very special episode with Tommy Robinson. But coming up, in the uncanceled after show on Substack, Lady Colin Campbell, unleashes on Megan Markle's bullying lie disaster and Prince Harry's sickbid to destroy the African charity he helped create. So at this stage, we move off YouTube and Rumble. head over to substate you can join the fun www.org.org.org. I'll see you with Tommy tomorrow.

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