Dan Wootton Outspoken - BRITAIN'S ANTI-WHITE MSM EXPOSED AS PIERS MORGAN, LOOSE WOMEN & NARINDER KAUR FINALLY CALLED OUT

Episode Date: December 31, 2025

Political commentator & broadcaster Lee Harris and independent journalist, Emma Dunwell join Dan on part 3 of the 50 WORST of 2025 countdown. Narinder Kaur and Piers Morgan displayed an unhealthy obse...ssion towards India, and Loose Women blame men for the terminal decline of the woke daytime show. Plus, we look back at the moment when Prince Andrew lost EVERYTHING. To watch the Uncancelled After Show for exclusive extra content EVERY weekday, sign up at: https://www.outspoken.live LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for new videos every day: https://youtube.com/@danwoottonoutspoken?si=-2BhmEbBSN1fyESS?sub_confirmation=1 ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-wootton-outspoken/id1762436723 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltoneek2MSPL10CpSA1J?si=8f6d84e2db56448c ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danwootton/ Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/?hl=en #DanWootton#DanWoottonOutspoken#news#outspoken#uknews Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooten. This is Outspoken episode number 394, a very special edition today as we continue our countdown of the 50 worst of 2025. And my God, there was a lot to choose from this year. Labor's Lucy Powell revealed her true disdain of white working class British girls. I don't know if you saw the documentary on Channel 4 about rape gangs over this. No, we want to blow that little trumpet now, do we? Yeah, okay. There is a real issue. Let's get that dog whistle out, shall we? Pierce Morgan showed his true disdain of, well, all Brits.
Starting point is 00:00:42 The food was crap. Absolute crap. Well, it was that way in the 80s when I was here. Right. Now we have some of the best guests on the meat. Amazing. Insane. That is the argument.
Starting point is 00:00:54 used. Why should we flood our country with other people? Well, chicken currant. And the Sussex's true colours were finally exposed. Really what Prince Harry wanted to do was to eject me from the organisation. And this went on for months. It went on for months through bullying, harassment. Wow. So for our countdown today, two of our outspoken regulars and favourites, both independent journalist superstars on the superstar panel, political commentator, broadcaster, the man behind addicted to news on ex-Lee Harris, and independent journalist Emma Dunwell. She is the woman behind E speaks freely,
Starting point is 00:01:42 one of the new independent journalism sensations in the United Kingdom who have really found their feet this year as the mainstream media descend into true. failure. Remember, there is no live uncanceled after show today, but all of our royal content is available over on my substack, www.outspoken.com. And we will be back live on Monday. That's along with the return of Greatest Britain and Union Jackass. I cannot wait for that. But now, let's go. revealed she would leave the country and head back to India
Starting point is 00:02:29 if Nigel Farage entered number 10 Downing Street, which probably would have been a massive boost in the polls for Reform UK. Here's the moment she announced that news on Jeremy Vine. Nigel Farage is the most effective politician we have at the moment. Compare that with Keir Stama, who's about as effective as a cat flap in an elephant house. He is hopeless. How is Nigel Farage effective when he did Brexit And we're so poor as a result
Starting point is 00:02:58 How's he effective? He has got his Brexit That's what he's done And soon when he becomes powerful in the Prime Minister He'll finish off Brexit We'll get out of the ECHR We won't be controlled by Europe anymore Long live Nigel Farage
Starting point is 00:03:13 All right He could be the saviour of our country You may be dealing with a Farage Prime Minister I'm going to leave the country And I've said it on air now Are there in India? I'll go back to India. I've already been looking at property there.
Starting point is 00:03:25 Have you? Yeah, because Nigel Farage. I don't think he will come into power at all. I think there'll be, it'll be finished by another year. And I think, but if he does, if you're asking that question, I'm looking at property in India.
Starting point is 00:03:35 I'll be gone. But at number 30, of our worst 50 moments of 20-25, just weeks later, having visited India, Narenda Corr reversed her decision. Lee Harris, she's not going anywhere. was all a lie, all part of the grift, even if Nigel Farage becomes Prime Minister,
Starting point is 00:03:57 Narenda, for all of her talk about how much she loves India, does not want to live there. Does that not say it all to you? I think it does. I think she's, uh, this is pure clickbait for Narenda, and she... It's a clickbait grift. It's exactly what it is. And I had a feeling that there was another, um, lefty commentator that said the same thing about Boris becoming prime minister.
Starting point is 00:04:17 I can't remember a name. Yasmin Alibaya Brown. That's it. She said, and she's still here. So they all kind of say these things. But they don't actually mean them. But yeah, I think like you said, it's a fantastic advert for a form. I'd be putting that on repeat and running ads on the way up to the general elections
Starting point is 00:04:32 that you could get rid of Narinda if you vote for Nigel Farage. I think it's funny. She's funny. It's so interesting, isn't it, Emma Dunmore? Because actually, Norinda doesn't want to be in India. She doesn't because she could be. Yeah, I mean, this is a woman that's lived in, I believe it's Lester, her whole life. I don't even think up until now.
Starting point is 00:04:51 She's in London now, but she was enlisted. Lester. I don't know what the situation is now, but I think for the majority of her life, she hasn't even held an Indian passport. And now all of a sudden, as soon as it suits her social media grift, all of a sudden, India is her homeland that she's going to return to because everyone's so racist. And if she thought that Britain was so racist and everyone was a far-right thug, then why has she spent her entire life building a life here, paying into the system, benefiting from the system? And I'm sorry, but this is complete, like, if anything, this is immigration privilege. Because how many minds are,
Starting point is 00:05:22 migrants who have come over here, even if their first, second generation, whatever, would not be able to just, at the drop of a penny, just go back to or go to wherever they want to. It's complete privilege. Absolutely. But it is all so convenient, isn't it? It's all so convenient for Narenda to decide to lean into her Indian heritage when it suits her. And interestingly, India forms a central part of number 29 on our countdown two. The moment, and I was furious with this, when Pears Morgan sparked outrage among patriots
Starting point is 00:05:57 after saying, and he honestly said this, that he would happily replace the white English population in order to have a chicken tika masala. Here's how Pears responded when Tucker Carlson challenged him on what he thought had improved about Britain after the mass importation of multiculturalism. The food was crap. Absolute crap. Well, it was that way in the 80s when I was here. Right.
Starting point is 00:06:26 Now we have some of the best gas on the meat. Amazing. That is the argument used. Why should we flood our country with other people? Well, chicken curry. Thousands of young girls get raped. Chicken curry. I know this might shock a lot of people.
Starting point is 00:06:44 You're going to want to be prepared for this. But me, as an Irish man, I have made past before. I know. Crazy. I'm not Italian, but I know how to make pasta. And even crazier is I have made chicken curry before. Crazy. Absolutely shocking stuff. You don't need a million Pakistanis in your country to enjoy a kebab. I know this thinking might be crazy to people like Pierce Morgan, but I would eat potatoes for the rest of my life if it meant my country, Ireland, was always home to Irish people. Yes, indeed.
Starting point is 00:07:21 Emma Dunwell, Pierre Morgan actually went one step further, though, also saying that he would personally trade in Tommy Robinson for a chicken tika masala. And to me, all of this is just blatant anti-white racism, yet Pearz Morgan isn't cancelled. Well, this is the thing. I was actually just about to make that exact point.
Starting point is 00:07:44 he was saying he I mean peers at the most time especially when it comes to the trans stuff he's fairly based you know there's there's a lot of things that I do agree with him on but yeah he occasionally does kind of bow down to the multiculturalism virtue signaling lobby and he does make these like anti white jokes that would get people like Tommy cancelled and yeah I think that the fact that we've got things like the grooming gang scandal or the rape gang scandal and people call it all different things now at the moment it's just such an abhorrent. thing that people don't even know what to do with it in their minds, and he's there talking about curry. That's what is so shocking to be. And yeah, anyone else would have got cancelled if they had said any kind of anti-white thing or whatever, but he, but he can for some reason, because he came from the establishment media. Indeed. I mean, if you replaced white Lee in his post, which were quite literally, I mean, he said I would quite happily swap white English people for Tiki Masala. Now, if you changed the word white
Starting point is 00:08:47 and replaced it with black or Asian or trans or gay or women or any other group, there would be absolute outrage. Well, I'm sorry, I'm not prepared to accept anti-white racism anymore, even if it's coming from Pierce Morgan, who is himself
Starting point is 00:09:03 a white man. Yeah, and it's discussing that it's become acceptable to do that. Not just with Pierce Morgan, but with the left in general. I think I watched that interview, the whole thing. And what struck me about it was two things. First of all, it became, it's apparent to me now that Pierce Morgan seems to manufacture his position on things. Oh, totally. Purely for click. So I don't think he actually believes every position that he takes.
Starting point is 00:09:28 I think he does that for his advantage more than anything else. And the second thing is, right the beginning of the interview, he actually did seem to acknowledge that there was, the demographic change of this country was having an impact. But then he kind of refused to, link that to anything else. So he kind of had this complete refusal to link the fact that we've got mass uncontrolled migration coming over to the UK. There is a cultural issue, but he kind of stopped at, he just mentioned it, but he didn't even expand on it at all. Well, he wasn't even pretend to accept Emma Dunwell that it was bad in any way. He just described it as an evolution. And he doesn't give a damn about the fact that the English race in this country is quite literally
Starting point is 00:10:12 being replaced. He showed his true colours in that interview. And I would argue that if this were happening in any other country, especially in African country or an Indian subcontinent country where the native ethnicity were literally being replaced, because remember, Pairs Morgan accepts that white people are going to become the minority, then there would be complete outrage. But because it's here, it's accepted as progress. Well, because we're British. We're supposed to put up and shut up because we're seen as the colonialist bad guys of every other country's story. And I've seen tweets directly saying, like, you know, oh, white genocide, why is that a bad thing? Oh, oh, well, that's a good thing.
Starting point is 00:10:58 Oh, and all this sort of stuff that, yeah, if you were to replace the word white with any other color, any other race, religion, anything at all, you would be cancelled. Not only would you be cancelled, you'd probably be arrested, as we're seeing now. Absolutely. And they're just allowed to get away with it. So no, and I recently did Vox Pops going around London. And I was asking the question, does racism towards white people exist? And the answers were shocking. I even had a man who was from South Africa.
Starting point is 00:11:27 And even he like kind of put he footed around the question. And it really baffled me. I don't know where we are. What I'm just finishing on this. What angered me about it genuinely is that Pierce Morgan was minted. Like he is a very, very wealthy man. And he's made a lot of people. time, by the way, in a mansion in Los Angeles and Beverly Hills.
Starting point is 00:11:44 And he's got a very lovely, beautiful mansion in central London as well. And a house outside of central London too. None of this affects him. No. Absolutely none of it. And he refused to acknowledge that. And that really frustrated me because it, look, at least if you're going to be an annoying person, try and cover it up.
Starting point is 00:12:01 He made no effort to cover it up. And he's putting across this myth that actually London's totally safe. And it's like, it's not. No, it's not. We all know it's not. Anyone who has spent time walking around central London or living in central London or actually any part of London in recent years knows that it is no longer safe. Okay, number 28, GB News and Talk TV added Ben Habib to their list, and it is a growing list of banned contributors. Here was the advance UK leader speaking out about his cancellation on outspoken earlier this year.
Starting point is 00:12:41 What I've said, because I've also been cancelled, as you know, by talk and by G.B. News is I'll go over the head. I'm absolutely shocked by it, and they deny it. But it's true because it's self-evidently true. I haven't been on. The day I launched Advance UK was the last day I was on GB News. I mean, Emma Dunmall is undeniable now. And remember, I was the founding presenter of GB News. I hosted the first show on GB News back in 2021 now. And at the time there was a conservative government in power, but it was very, very clear, and we were very clear in our mission that GB News was not going to be a party political operation. This was about what was right. It was about freedom. Remember, at the time, there were all of these COVID lockdowns.
Starting point is 00:13:28 So very often we would campaign against the government of the day, even though that happened to be a conservative government in the form of Boris Johnson. But what has happened because of the growing political strength of Nigel Farage and Reform UK, is that GB News is effectively now a propaganda outfit for one political party, which to me is so dangerous, because how can you say, and I know this for a fact, that two of their most popular guests in the past, Ben Habib, now leader of Advance UK, Rupert Lowe, now leader of Restore Britain, are both no longer allowed on the channel. Where's the justification with that?
Starting point is 00:14:07 When they were part of Reform UK, they were on constantly. they were on all the time. And remember, this band list, Emma, does exist because it also includes Katie Hopkins, it also includes Tommy Robinson and a whole load of other sound people. So to me, I really struggle now to view GB News as actually a positive force
Starting point is 00:14:29 in this country because you don't want a broadcaster to be a propaganda outlet for any particular political party. No political party can be trusted. Even if you agree with the... party, even if you're supportive of them, because it's not, it turns it from a news channel into, I don't know, more of an entertainment show. And, you know, I watch GB News a lot. I still think that they do some fantastic work. Yes, there are good people there. And especially when it comes to, you know, things like the grooming gang scandal, they'll talk about it a lot more than
Starting point is 00:14:58 BBC, ITV, other places will. So I think it's still, I'm trying not to, I suppose, demonise them too much because I also understand, as a journalist myself, I understand the challenge in political climate. And if you want to make something, sometimes a little bit, you have to play the game, right? But there is no getting around the fact that it is anti-free speech. There is a ban list. This is like you just said, when it initially started, it was, it was said that it was not supposed to be any kind of party affiliation, anything like that at all. And now it's all about reform. And it is all about reform. I mean, Nigel Farage has his own show on there. And Lee Anderson. Yeah, yeah. And it shows, it's mirroring the politics and the infighting that we
Starting point is 00:15:44 saw within reform. I mean, I've spoken to Howard Cox. I podcasted with him around the time that he was, that he was exiled from reform because of his support of Tommy Robinson. And it's this kind of exile, if we don't like what you're saying, that we're seeing now. And that tells me as a viewer, saying that I know, but that tells me as a viewer that Farage is running the show and that's not how it should be. 100%. And the thing is, I'm sorry, when you're getting rid of people, Lee, like Rupert Lowe, like Ben Habib, like Howard Cox, actually, you're not even being patriotic anymore in my view because these are great patriots. And the idea that because they don't sign up to a particular political party and they're not a Farajist means that you should not have a voice on GB News is very
Starting point is 00:16:29 disturbing to me. The other point that I just want to make, Lee, is that, yeah, you guys talk about Nigel Farage and Lee Anderson, but at least we know where they stand, right? At least we know they are reformers through and through. I probably have more of a problem, being totally honest, with other presenters from Michelle Jubri to Martin Daubney to Alex Armstrong, who, let's be honest, might be good people, but want to be reformed, can't be. at the next election. That is a huge issue for me because they're having to pretend that they are an honest impartial broadcaster when in fact they're not. They are effectively operating as a party political operative. Now that's very different to say someone like myself
Starting point is 00:17:17 or someone like Mike Graham who's gone independent this year. We are both very clear. Sure, you know where we stand politically and I absolutely voted for Reform UK at the last election. very honest about that. But I do not want to be an MP. I do not want to run for Parliament. I don't want to work for Nigel Farage. And that, to me, is true independence. This is a tricky one because, you know, GB News,
Starting point is 00:17:43 my experience with GB News, I can talk to person to person to me. They've been really good to me. And they've given you a big platform. They give me a big platform. I, you know, basically was just a nobody. And everybody I have met there, including the presenters who I'm very close with, are just some of the most wonderful people I've ever met.
Starting point is 00:17:59 However, however, now I've given you that preamble, it is genuinely a bit obvious now that Ben, because I didn't want to believe it initially, but it is a bit obvious that Ben and Rupert, who, by the way, individual, I think they're fantastic. Ben gave me well over 10 minutes of his time at the United Kingdom Rally, so I could sit there, give him a really kind of long-form interview.
Starting point is 00:18:20 He's a wonderful man, and I agree with him on a lot of stuff. Same with Rupert, I think he's fantastic, I've done a couple of podcasts with him, and I'm gutted, gutted, And I know a lot of other people are gutted that they can't hear their voices on GB News. I don't think they get everything right. I will try and defend a little bit and you're welcome to shoot me down in flames. They are under the microscope at the moment.
Starting point is 00:18:42 Yes, they are. Now, I'm not saying that that means it's all offcom's fault. It's not. Because they are partly making decisions on that. I totally agree with that. They are under huge scrutiny much more than any other news channel. I mean, imagine if someone like James O'Brien was operating on GB News. have been taken off air years and years ago.
Starting point is 00:19:01 But I just don't think it excuses this cancellation of figures on the right. I agree. Because Ofcom actually demands plurality. And so we know that's why there are all of the crazy leftists on GGB News. So maybe that is where I give them a pass. You don't hear me criticising them for having to put, you know, Benjamin Butterworth or Jonathan Liss or any of these weirdos on the channel. Because I understand why they have to, by letter of the law, to be off-communist
Starting point is 00:19:28 regulated, but that doesn't apply to these cancellations on the right. Well, I was going to genuinely caveat what I was saying, because, yes, I know they're under the cost from offcom and not just in terms of who they invite on about the things they talk about, they are under a microscope. However, it doesn't, I've been given this a lot for, because again, I love them both a lot. I cannot work out, I don't think it is that. I've got a bit, I don't think it is offcom. No.
Starting point is 00:19:54 Reasons. I think there are other reasons for that. And that's disappointing, if that's the case. I can promise you the people I spoke to I have asked them and some of them are quite senior presenters they have genuinely denied all knowledge and said that we, I honestly don't know
Starting point is 00:20:07 But it's bizarre If you're a senior presenter on that channel Like I was Why don't you invite them on? Yeah, exactly, get them on Demand that they have them on Ben Leo did didn't he? Ben Leo invited Rupert on a couple of weeks ago
Starting point is 00:20:19 But it was, I've been on the late show It is a late slot It's half past midnight at night Yeah, you start a midnight Exactly and so the suggestion there was that there's not an actual ban on Rupert because he might be able to go on a show at half past midnight.
Starting point is 00:20:31 But what is absolutely true, if you look at one of their flagship shows, which is certainly the show of Tubes and co, they don't appear anymore. And they used to appear all the time. He was great on that. And he's amazing. And he's a great patriot.
Starting point is 00:20:45 And I think Ben Habib and Rupert Lowe are massive losses for GB News, but huge gains in this independent media space. So, you know, I don't mind. Keep on banning them. news. More and more people are just coming over to us. Now, speaking to the mainstream media at number 27 on our list of the worst of 2025, loose women meltdown. Yeah, the show was effectively axed this year, right, for half of the year as the woke broadcaster struggles to survive
Starting point is 00:21:16 the terminal decline of modern TV. And it resulted in Nadia Sawala, totally losing the plot, blaming, you won't be surprised by this, men, male executives and mansplaining for the fact British women are switching off from this woke bullshit watch. At the moment, all of us on screen are in work and are proud of what we do. But behind the scenes, there are people that are really suffering. And what you don't realise is when you attack the show, you attack them. Because you never see all the army of people behind the scenes and how hard they work. So to all my friends and colleagues, behind the scenes, that we just got the most huge
Starting point is 00:21:59 shock out of the blue, I'm so sorry. And Mark knows, don't you, how much of how I've been at home about it. I just can't bear it. So just be kind of people. You know, where's the trousers in that room? Yes, exactly. That poor man, poor Mark. Poor Mark, who sort of sits there, Not it, yes, Nadia, yes, Nadia, I'm terrified of you, Nadia. But look, I mean, Emma, to suggest that the cancellation of loose women is the fault of men is quite something, if this show were a hit, if women still wanted to tune in, it would not have been cancelled for half the year. It's been cancelled for half the year because the show has gone so woke, it's actually impossible to watch. Well, this is why people are saying now, go woke, you go broke.
Starting point is 00:22:48 People aren't watching it. People don't want it. People want to return to reality. And yeah, the fact that they've just gone on and blamed men and the patriarchal... I was going to say women then. And the patriarchy and everything is just peak victimhood. And again, kind of like what we were talking about earlier with Narenda, it's privilege. They wouldn't be able to get on TV and moan about these things if they didn't have this kind of privilege.
Starting point is 00:23:13 How about she goes out and gets a real job and goes and works like all of the other women who were doing a nine to five. And then maybe she can try complaining about the patriarchy. But I think until then, she just needs to shut up. Yeah, I mean, come on, Lee Harris. You turn up for once a day. You blame everything on Nigel Farage and men. And people are just bored of that. They're bored of that.
Starting point is 00:23:33 Loose women used to be genuinely good when they were totally honest and there was a mix of political views. Like you had Carol McGiffon on there, who's now actually irregular, thanks to this year on outspoken. But, I mean, she is someone who, I mean, is absolutely a freedom fighter.
Starting point is 00:23:51 and I don't even know if you'd say she's to the right, but she's certainly bold on all of these issues. And she just couldn't put up with it. And she's gone because she wasn't allowed to speak about any of the stuff, the fact that she was a Trump supporter, the fact that she's anti-vaccine, the fact that she's anti-COVID nonsense, all of that. See, that is a real, because I'm not a big watcher of loose women.
Starting point is 00:24:10 I'm not going to lie. I think I said that the last time I was on. However, if you do balance, if you have a show where you've got those really annoying woke views, but it's balanced out nicely by someone like, Carol, you know, if you've got that, that does end up in a good debate, watchable telly. But clearly they've not been doing that. And, you know, when you look at the polls, I try and sort of address this in a political way as well.
Starting point is 00:24:33 The British public are not buying woke anymore. They're just not buying it. They're moving on to something slightly different. You can see in the way that reform are doing so well in the polls. The Overton windows massively moved through people in the independent media, etc. So I think the mindset of the British public has changed enough now. where I can totally understand why if it's just woke nonsense all day, they're not going to be interested.
Starting point is 00:24:57 Speaking of woke nonsense, at number 26 on our countdown, this was one of those jaw-dropping moments when Bob Villain, or I guess he's called Bobby Villain, isn't he? Bobby Villain, who's part of that British hating rap duo group, which is called Bob Villain, went on Louis Theroux's podcast and exposed the BBC. for who they really are, revealing that the hard-left staff didn't seem bothered at all about his vile on-stage rant at that left-wing shithole festival, otherwise known as Glastonbury.
Starting point is 00:25:36 Watch. Just to kind of show how mundane the whole thing was. It wasn't like we came off stage and everybody was like, it's just normal. We come off stage, it's normal. Nobody for anything. nobody and even even staff at the BBC but I fantastic that was fantastic that was fantastic we we loved that I was like you know to the NPC maneuver though isn't it's like any band comes off you smashed it fantastic no but that was like
Starting point is 00:26:06 this was this was a couple hours later it took us a little while to get but like you know Dev they've nobody at the BBC at that time was was there like Oh my gosh, you know. But it was very normal. And Lee, I actually, I know Louis Thruh was trying to say, oh, they just say that to everyone. No, no, no, no. They don't.
Starting point is 00:26:29 The BBC staff loved it. They loved what he had done on stage. Tim Davey was in the audience. He was there, the outgoing BBC Director General. It was only once the ordinary British public were like, this is utterly disgusting, despicable, anti-Semitic, of those things, that all of a sudden the BBC panicked and realized, oh my God, we've got a problem on our hands here. They showed their real hand to begin with. A hundred percent. They're
Starting point is 00:26:57 institutionalized. They're completely institutionalized. And I was kind of almost their most unsurprising thing to hear him say, although it was very nice to hear him say it because I don't think he realized what he was saying. But we've all known the BBC has been very anti-Israel. they've had to apologise multiple times since the conflict began and it was a suspicion that we all had not very hidden secret but just to hear it
Starting point is 00:27:25 you know that that's exactly what happened the BBC everyone who works for the BBC's left wing pretty much and this would have been they wouldn't have even thought twice about what he was ranting on stage those vile comments he was ranting on stage and of course when someone else notices this bubble that they're all in
Starting point is 00:27:41 like you say they don't realise they're in this bubble until someone sheds a line on it. And then all of a sudden, like you say, they were panicking. Because I remember when it happened, they were kind of making out, oh, it's a big mistake. You know, something technical went wrong. No, no, it didn't. No. You knew that was going to happen. And you didn't mind. And that's the honest, the honest to God's truth is they didn't mind. They didn't mind. And Emma Dunmore, we just know that if someone with even center-right views had tried to express something political on stage at Glastonbury, all hell would have broken loose.
Starting point is 00:28:14 of Tommy Robinson wanted to appear at Glastonbury. Exactly. Yet this dude who is truly violent. I mean, Bob Villain this year, unfortunately, was someone who I got to know. I'd never even heard of the guy before this year. No, neither. But he's proven himself to be a truly decrepit individual. I mean, someone who should be going to hell.
Starting point is 00:28:34 And I do not say that lightly. I mean, he celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk on the stage in the most revolting manner. He celebrated the deaths of Israelis. I mean, this guy's going to hell, right? But he's a hero to them. Well, this is the way that the left ideology works. As soon it doesn't matter how abhorrent it is to them, whoever can scream at the loudest and get that horrible message out to as many people as possible is their hero.
Starting point is 00:29:01 That's the way they see it. And yeah, I mean, the making fun of the assassination of Charlie Kirk, abhorrent. Now, what I don't understand is why people are getting locked up all the time for Twitter crimes. But, and now this isn't, this isn't just like, this isn't just an anomaly. This is a really common trend, this death to the IDF channel. I've heard it multiple times on pro-Palestinian marches. That is a direct incitement of violence. Why are they not being arrested?
Starting point is 00:29:25 Totally. Like, the only reason that I've seen in person is at these marches is the only thing I can think of is there's just too many of them. Well, it's two teachers again, isn't it? But why did they not drag him off stage or at least go up to him after and say, like, right, you're going to need to put out a statement saying that you weren't actually wishing harm or. Because if someone had actually, like, let's say there's someone at a super fan, You know how people get over celebrities. If someone had actually gone and done something to an Israeli,
Starting point is 00:29:49 I think he's partially responsible. 100%. And they have actually, there's the other band, the Irish group, haven't they? Knee cap. Knee cap. They did get taken to court and they were cleared. Yeah. So it doesn't even matter.
Starting point is 00:30:00 And then, but for another one of kneecap, it was dismissed. Yeah. Now, interestingly, I actually think it's right for the police not to get involved. But when they're locking up anyone on the road, right for far less. That's where you've got to understand. We all think, what the hell? Yeah. What the hell? So if you're Bobvillin, if you're kneecap, if you're Zara Soltani, you can say whatever the hell you want. But if you're someone connected to turning point, if you're someone connected to Tommy Robinson, you're screwed. I mean, it's, it's truly grim.
Starting point is 00:30:37 Look, we're halfway through the countdown now. So let's get political. Because at number 25, This was the extraordinary moment when Reform UK's Zia Yusuf quit the party after he threw a mega-strop over Sarah Poachan's Berkaban proposal in Parliament only to, and I couldn't believe this. God, I was disappointed. Make a comeback just 48 hours later. Breaking right now, Zia Yusuf has in the last few moments resigned as the chairman of Reform UK. Here's his statement on X.
Starting point is 00:31:18 11 months ago, I became chairman of reform. I've worked full time as a volunteer to take the party from 14 to 30%, quadrupled its membership and delivered historic electoral results. I no longer believe working to get a reform government elected is a good use of my time. And hereby, resign the office? Wow. I mean, I was so happy because, look, I think the guy is the biggest weasel in British politics. I really do, the biggest fake in British politics. I think he wants to be the first Muslim Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
Starting point is 00:32:00 That's not something I think that anyone should want, given the truly historic battle we have. I think he cannot be trusted, even though he attacks the Conservatives all the time. was a Tory himself, right up until the last election. He seemed to have bought himself all of this access into Reform UK and has something over Nigel Farage quite clearly, because Farage, Emma, doesn't forgive anyone for the smallest indiscretion. You saw in that statement there from Zia Yusuf, he was basically saying, this is just a waste of my time, this is a waste of my time. And 48 hours
Starting point is 00:32:34 he was back. And now he is more powerful within Reform UK than even the deputy leader Richard Tice, Zia Yusuf is one of the main reasons that I have a major problem with Reform UK. I think the guy is dangerous. What do you think was going on here? I agree. I don't think it was anything to do with the Burkaban on any level. I think it was to do with money. There was all of these, especially around the time, there was all of these rumours on donations and how he'd got into the party, like you just said, he essentially bought his way in. I mean, yeah, I think that there was some kind of dodgy deal going on. There was some fallout over money.
Starting point is 00:33:19 And then he came back probably because they bumped up the numbers or they, you know, they gave him what he was asking for. And at the end of the day, reform has run themselves like a company, meaning whoever buys the most shares is whoever's running the show. But Lee Harris, he says that he takes no money. So he says this is absolutely nothing to do with the financials. which surely leads you to believe it's to do with power. It's about promises.
Starting point is 00:33:46 It's about has he been promised to be the next chancellor, for example? It is a very odd, because the way it played out, the way he wrote that statement was very clear. Like he said, this is not a good use of my time. He was having a total strong. It was almost like he was burning the bridges as he was writing it. So to me it seemed quite final. So I was also quite shocked that he made his way back in.
Starting point is 00:34:08 But I do think this is more about ego than anything else. If you know anything about the spat between him and Rupert Lowe, there was egos involved in that. And it is very true from the people I've spoken to on the insider reform, Zia Yusuf is not the easiest person to work with at all. They can't stand it. No, he's not widely liked. However, he is an exceptionally, I don't think anyone would deny he's a very good media performer. I'm not saying that that counts for everything, but it does count for a lot. I can't explain why he was almost allowed to kind of waltz back in
Starting point is 00:34:47 the only thing I can think of is that Nigelch Fras did not want him to go in the first place that was a unilateral decision for him to write that thing Frage probably did not even know that that was going to come out I think that's definitely true they had a phone call between each other after this I think maybe it was just a knee-jerk reaction to this Berker thing whatever whatever it was it was definitely Zia Yusuf's fault Because he didn't need to put that statement out. Why did he have to disagree publicly with Sarah Poachin?
Starting point is 00:35:14 Even just from a party management point of view, it looked stupid. So I was like, okay, guys, this is really amateur hour stuff now. Why he came back, I'm not, I think it's kind of a slightly different story. I think it's probably got more to do with the fact that probably behind the scenes, and I have heard this too, he has got a lot of results in as much as that he's set up a lot of these, the infrastructure. He's really helped to build. If I don't know this to be true, right, I have spoken to Zia once over message and he seemed
Starting point is 00:35:45 quite polite, but there's also a lot of people that told me he's a bit of an asshole to work for, right? Now, I've worked for assholes who I really like in the past, but I've also worked for assholes who I very much dislike, however I respect. I don't think that that makes it. So this could be a situation, could be, I have no idea, this is just me guessing, that he's very effective, he's very good, me. performer. He's a very good
Starting point is 00:36:10 behind the scenes, but he hates a bit of an asshole. And I think that's probably as much as to it. I don't even know. By the way, if he does watch this, I don't know you're an asshole's here. It's just through what I've heard. You've been nice to me very briefly on the message that we spoke to each other.
Starting point is 00:36:26 Very interesting. Well, at number 24, this was a disgusting moment, a disgusting moment that exposed the Labor government for who they really are. Then cabinet minister, now deputy leader of the Labour Party. She was rewarded by the party for this. That's what's so shocking. Lucy Powell, shutting down concerns over rape gangs as a dog whistle.
Starting point is 00:36:53 This was her in conversation with Reform UK's Tim Montgomery on the British Bashing Corporation. Watch. If I don't know what you saw the documentary on Channel 4 about rape gangs over this. No, we want to blow that little trumpet now, do we? Yeah. There was a real issue where... Let's get that dog whistle out, shall we? Where... Look, the councils, there were so many people who were so afraid for good...
Starting point is 00:37:19 Can I just finish the point just for one message? Finish that point, Tim, and then I'll bring in Helen. Look, there were so many people in local government, in the authorities who, for good reasons, were worried about upsetting community tensions that those girls went undefended. Now, there were good reasons... But that no one has still been brought to justice that. So you tell me, Lucy, that this isn't a culture in local government.
Starting point is 00:37:43 It's just not true. Hannah Morgan. I mean, Emma Dunwell, you're someone who's covered a lot of what's gone on with these Pakistani Muslim rape gangs. That showed Labor's true feelings there. They just view this as racism. They just view it as a dog whistle. That is it. But I think what even shows Labor more is the fact that this woman,
Starting point is 00:38:06 She may have been sacked by Kirstama in part as a result of those comments, but she was then rewarded by the party. The party elected her to replace Angela Raina. She is now deputy leader of Labor. This party is so corrupt, so crooked, so rotten to its core, and this moment proved that. Yeah, well, I mean, in some kind of twisted, really dark humour, greater Manchester police admitted that they'd ignored another 200 victims
Starting point is 00:38:35 that same week. that she made that statement. So it just really goes to show the complete disconnect. You know what? I keep saying disconnect. I don't even know if it's a disconnect. It's just a out and out, just turning a blind eye. They don't want to know.
Starting point is 00:38:49 And when they do find out, yeah, they want to cover it up. They want to call you racist. This is what we've all been screaming about for ages now. Like years and years. And the asylum hotel protest haven't woken them up. Petitions in government haven't woken them up. Other MPs getting into positions of a real traction and getting these messages out there, that still hasn't woken them up.
Starting point is 00:39:12 Elon Musk is tweeting about it, for goodness sake, and they still won't do anything. They still won't admit how much they've covered up, why they covered it up, and to what level this goes to, because we know that it's to a local council to an elite level. It just completely shows them to be what we all think that they are. 100%. And I mean, Lee Harris, she talks about a dog whistle, Lucy Powell.
Starting point is 00:39:34 Well, isn't the real dog whistle coming from Labor? And it is a dog whistle to the Islamists because effectively the only way Labor knows that they have any hope of staying in power, which I think is gone, by the way. But the only hope they have is to somehow win back the Islamist vote that threatens them in so many constituencies,
Starting point is 00:39:55 including, by the way, big names like Yvette Cooper, West Streeting, Angela Rainer, all likely to be swept away by Islamists at this rate, which is why you see Lucy. Powell, going down as part. A lot of them have, and that has a massive influence on their rhetoric. I thought this incident was possibly
Starting point is 00:40:13 one of the most disgusting incidents that I've heard from this Labour Party. Second two, only Kiyah Stama, who said that people who even mentioned Pakistani rape gangs were jumping on a far-right bandwai. I consider
Starting point is 00:40:28 both of those, the first one was a massive mask-off moment, and this one, I honestly believe, was kind of like the mask was fully off at this stage, and we all knew it anyway. It's not as if we needed, you know, especially those who are into politics and were following this. We knew this anyway. But this was a massive mask off comment.
Starting point is 00:40:45 If you listen to how casually that those words rolled off the tongue for Lucy Powell, that means, for everyone knows this, that means that she is constantly surrounded by people who think like that, and she has no qualms in speaking like that. She would never say something like that down a local pub or where it is, because everyone would disagree with her. So it just shows that the Labour Party, again, is completely institutionalised. They're not, they hate this subject because of the votes. They don't want to lose the votes. And also, I think probably equally as important, and probably not as important, but very close to being important is the fact that Labor are massively implicated in
Starting point is 00:41:24 this, in this review. They know as soon as they start digging, this is why they voted against this inquiry three times, and they resisted it publicly as well, because they didn't want the exposure of their own Labour councillors coming out, which obviously is it's already in the report. Everyone knows it to be true. I just think it's a disgusting moment, and for most of us, it's just told us what we needed to know. Disaster bullies, racists, and tourists who cash in on people's real issues.
Starting point is 00:42:02 I don't think there's any way, genuinely. I don't think there's any way Prince Harry and Meghan Markle can recover from what has been a truly eye-opening 2025. I always knew the way these two operated, but they can no longer hide it anymore. And number 23, on our list of the worst moments of 2025, the Sussex's Centi-Bali charity meltdown. as the boss from that organisation, Sophie Chandoka, a black woman, which made this particularly difficult for Harry and Meghan, publicly accused Harry of bullying and harassment and attempting to eject her from her position on the African charity.
Starting point is 00:42:54 Here she was speaking on Sly News. Really what Prince Harry wanted to do was to eject me from the organisation and this went on for months. It went on for months through bullying, harassment. I have documentation. There were board meetings where members of the executive team and external strategic advisors were sending me messages saying, should I interrupt, should I stop this? Oh my gosh, this is so bad. In fact, our strategic advisor for fundraising then sent me a message saying she wouldn't want to ever attend any more board meetings or bring her colleagues because of the treatment. When that failed, Prince Harry started to brief and his team sponsors that I'd been speaking to against me and the charity
Starting point is 00:43:39 because that is a sure way of getting me out if it's seen as though I'm not being successful in my fundraising effort. I mean, Lee Harris, it couldn't be any more damning because, of course, for so long, Harry and Meghan have tried to make out that the reason they're treated so badly and bullied by the world is because Megan Markle is a half-black woman. there you have an actual talented black woman Sophie Chandoka who knows her shit basically say no no no duh the real bullies
Starting point is 00:44:08 and they even bullied me as a black woman and you remember Megan had treated this woman appallingly when they appeared at that polo tournament on stage together so at the end of the day to me this was one of the big moments because all of a sudden a narrative the Sussex narrative
Starting point is 00:44:24 just collapsed it's like another mask off moment I remember when this happened and I was speaking to the wife about it. And I was saying to her that we always had this impression of Harry and Megan that they just weren't very nice. Yes. Like that they were a bit arrogant and probably have that kind of royal entitlement. Just from all the headlines that you see and the way they've reacted to stuff. So we already had this kind of pitch. And when we saw this happen,
Starting point is 00:44:47 we were like, well, it makes perfect sense. Makes absolutely perfect sense. They seem like bullies. I believe every single thing that that lady just said. Without any qualification, I'd just be like, yep, you're telling the truth. And I remember seeing, I don't know, that it was that long after it, Harry being interviewed after this. He even came across as being a bully in that interview. And I was just like, okay, well, you've just, why doesn't anything stick to them? Like, seriously, why? Because they did a, they did an investigation on this very thing.
Starting point is 00:45:15 And they came out and said they couldn't find any bullying. But there was a couple of caveats. And I'm thinking, I just don't believe that. I don't believe that for a moment. Yeah, exactly. It was almost like, it was the charity commission. It's almost like we don't want to go there. It was that.
Starting point is 00:45:27 We don't want to go there. Let's leave it to the charity itself. But what's so interesting, of course, Emma, is that both of Harry's African charities collapsed this year. We also had the disaster with African parks. And it's like for so long, he was being looked after by people within the Royal Institution who he claims to hate so much. And all of a sudden, Sophie Chandoka came in.
Starting point is 00:45:49 And the reason he didn't like it is because she was like, hang on a moment. This charity is basically operating as some sort of personality vehicle for Harry. and that's no longer working for the charity anymore. Because of everything that had gone on over the past five years from the Oprah Winfrey interview to spare, etc., etc., people don't want to put their money into it. So she's like, this isn't working for the people in Africa, for the people have sent to Bali, who Harry is meant to care about. But I would argue, and I think I could back this up,
Starting point is 00:46:22 that his charities are now simply being used as PR vehicles. And that is sick. That is sick for a man who has so much time on his hands and could be spending every waking moment trying to change the world. Well, Diana would be turning in her grave right now. I mean, at the moment, especially this is, like you said, the second charity for things to have kind of just exploded in everyone's face like this. And, I mean, you know, bullying harassment,
Starting point is 00:46:50 it has Megan written all over it for a start. And yet, there is some sweet irony about the fact that it, to black woman saying like, no, you guys are the bullies here when they've spent the last, what is it, like two, three years now calling the royal family a bunch of racists, which, you know, I don't know. But do you know what I mean? They come out and they say these things all the time.
Starting point is 00:47:09 Now the shoes are on the other foot and all of a sudden they don't like it. And yeah, the fact that it's a charity, it's not just an organization that's them been passed off and also does a bit of fundraising. It's a charity. And the fact that he's Diana's son just gives it to me just a whole other level. of just complete piracy, almost. It's disgusting.
Starting point is 00:47:32 They have like a well-documented history as well of people like leaving because they don't like work. And I check this out. So many. 21 departures since, and this covers Archwell this charity InVictus Games
Starting point is 00:47:45 and something called Traver List with at least 21 departures reported by late 2024 to 25. People just don't like working for them. Reports in Vanity Fair as well that they had bullied star reports in the Hollywood reporter that they had bullied stuff to the point where some of these staff members have ended up needing psychiatric care. So I just feel like this was the year that
Starting point is 00:48:12 the bubble totally burst. Even woke people now. Because you know, here's the thing, Sophie Chandoca is probably pretty woke. That's my understanding of her. But it doesn't matter because all of a sudden Harry and Megan's treatment is so bad that even if you're woke, you can't can't defend this. And actually on a similar note, at number 22, the Sussex's arguably stooped ever lower as they used the unprecedented Alley Wildfires disaster to reboot their own flop Netflix series and to brief the paparazzi so they could get some positive coverage. Now, quite rightly after this, they became known as disaster. Tourists in Chief Watch.
Starting point is 00:49:00 International outcry. Disgust, actually, including from the Hollywood community, about her disaster tourism. And here she is, at it again, briefing, Town and Country magazine that reported Megan made donations to Altadina Teen Girls Fire Recovery through the Archwell Foundation. And guess what? The cameras just happened to be.
Starting point is 00:49:27 be there. Any other celebrity can do this stuff without being seen, without briefing the media. But Megan Markle has to tell everyone. And Emma, this was just so gross. I mean, we actually even saw major players in the Hollywood industry, including former actors, coming out and saying, you're just disaster tourists. And again, to me, that was one of those, there's no going back from this moment because these were the people who were meant to be supporting you,
Starting point is 00:49:58 but they see through it. This is the thing, it is so disgusting. Forgive me for reading this, but I just want to get the figures right because the LAS fires were just so horrendous, but it's more than 200,000 people evacuated, 1.5 million without power, neighborhoods reduced to literally apocalyptic states,
Starting point is 00:50:15 and then they just, well, they signed up for this, to do this thing anonymously to start off with, and then post it all over social media. It's like then people who go and feed the homeless, And they're like, you should all go out and do this, guys. And I'm all for promoting, doing good things. But there's a big difference when your millionaires, who are staying out, I think their Montecito bunker is worth like $14 million.
Starting point is 00:50:38 And they want to go out for a few hours and be like, oh, yeah, we handed some bottles of water out. Good for you. But, Lee, they were even breaking the law. And, I mean, we were able to prove this at the time. Because in California, if there is a disaster like this, you've got to stay away from the disaster zone. But they were actually walking all over these houses. that had been destroyed before the occupants of the houses had either been told that their houses were destroyed because remember the locals didn't know and certainly the locals were not allowed to go back and find out if their houses had been destroyed what had survived yet harry and megan were there with the TMZ cameras in tow trape scene all over this destroyed property and i think that's where a lot of the anger came from from the local residents.
Starting point is 00:51:26 I can completely understand. The optics are just awful. I mean, for a start. I mean, who's advising them for a start? Well, I don't think they listen to any. Probably, yeah, probably someone and they're not listening. It looks awful. I remember seeing at the time, you're thinking,
Starting point is 00:51:39 even as someone who's not as educated on their daily itinerary or whatever, it was obviously awful to watch that they were doing this. This just seems to be a running theme, Dan. Yes, it does. You know, we've just been discussing their charity and the fact that Prince Harry's been using that charity is a kind of PR exercise. Here they are using, again, people who are in some real trouble
Starting point is 00:51:59 as a PR exercise. I just think, and you don't hear them talk about it anymore, do you? I mean, it's when something is considered hot. They think, oh, let's jump on the band. These people are probably still trying to, sorry to interrupt, but these people are probably still trying to replace everything that they lost. And yeah, no, they're not talking about. And Harry and Megan, by the way, what have they donated?
Starting point is 00:52:20 You know, like, look, if you actually want to do good, Megan could have given a portion from every tin of jam sold. Now, it wouldn't have raised much money, guys. She's not selling much of that jam. And by the way, it's not jam. It's like running liquid. But the point is that would have shown that she's actually prepared to put her money
Starting point is 00:52:41 where her mouth is, prepared to put some of her own profit. Now, look, you see some corporates, Lee, even do this with, say, one P. They say we're going to give one P from every jar of jam sold. Nothing from Megan, because she doesn't really. want to care. She does it for PR. She's not prepared to put her money where her mouth is and I think it says a lot. Yeah, just in case they did fly off the shelves. She probably does, she's probably
Starting point is 00:53:03 nervous about that being the possibility. Everything for her is about the money. Absolutely. I think they're vile, both of them are far. I'm glad they're not here. As far as I'm aware, the Americans don't even like that much. No, they don't. But please don't come back. Yeah, please don't come back. Please don't come back in 2026. Absolutely. But at number 21, sticking with the royal theme and this really was one of the worst moments of the year for not just the British royal family, but I would argue Britain as a whole. King Charles finally forced to strip his brother, the royal formerly known as Prince Andrew, after the Epstein scandal unraveled even more of his private life. It was a big moment of history, we broke the news live on Outspoken this way.
Starting point is 00:53:57 Prince Andrew loses everything. In a bombshell statement in the last hour, King Charles has stripped his brother of his title of Prince, booted him out of Royal Lodge, and effectively ended any hopes he had of a public rehabilitation. This is a size of. and historic decision as the pressure was being heaped on the cancer-stricken monarch. Some even saying the future of the British monarchy itself is at stake.
Starting point is 00:54:34 So this was a difficult one, wasn't it? Because King Charles Lee, obviously suffering from very serious cancer we've revealed here on outspoken that it is terminal cancer, incurable cancer. We've tried to deal with that sensitively. then he really didn't handle this situation with Andrew well at all because remember just two weeks before that announcement Lee he had thought that it was going to be enough just to release this statement from Andrew
Starting point is 00:55:04 saying that he wasn't going to use his princely titles anymore but he was going to stay in Royal Lodge and Prince William had been advising him to go further faster Charles ignored him and then two weeks later all of a sudden was trying to show well I'm a really strong king and it's like well you're not
Starting point is 00:55:25 because you didn't do this in the first place but obviously this is family it's a difficult one and and I will make this point because I've always been nuanced in my coverage here on outspoken I've been on a bit of a journey in regards to the story
Starting point is 00:55:39 I certainly when I was in the MSM thought Prince Andrew was the worst person in the world and you can go back and look at all of my columns celebrating his downfall I have since learned that really when it comes to the allegations from Virginia Dufre, she is not a particularly reliable witness in all of this. And it is a messy, messed up, complicated situation, which you never see, Lee, if you're watching coverage on the British Bashian Corporation, for example,
Starting point is 00:56:11 which wants to be very clear, you know, Virginia Dufray is like an angel on earth, everything she said is true. And Prince Andrew is basically the devil incarnate himself. Prince Andrew, or the man formerly known as Prince Andrew. Of course, he's now just Andrew Mountbatten Windsor, humble, Andrew Mountbatten Windsor, made a lot of mistakes, Lee. This is not me defending those mistakes. No, I get that.
Starting point is 00:56:32 But the story is more complicated than the mainstream media want to make out. It is a bit more complicated. And you're actually right to bring that up, because the only footage that I'd seen on this was actually, as it happens, from the BBC. So before I'd even knew the thing about Virginia Dufray, I thought everything she was saying was documented fact. And as you rightly pointed out, she is a massive liar. Yes.
Starting point is 00:56:53 So she is genuinely, was a massive liar, I should say. However, we can't disprove or prove that. No, and she died over the course of this year. You're absolutely right to point that out as well. It makes very difficult. I agree. I mean, I've been on the fence. I was really pro- Charles when he took the crown.
Starting point is 00:57:13 And I kind of, my views have waned on him a bit, certainly with his Eco's stuff, which we kind of knew about beforehand. But he has handled this really... But he said he wasn't going to do it as king. Yeah, exactly. I trusted him. I trusted him.
Starting point is 00:57:25 He said he wasn't going to be a political king. He was going to leave all of that at the door. That went out of the window straight away. And I was on GGB News actually backing him saying, no, he'll do it. No, he didn't. No, I didn't too. But with this particular situation,
Starting point is 00:57:37 it's been really frustrating as an observer on this. Because I've taken the William stance on this. I think he's had this nailed from the start. You've got to nip it in the bud. Yes. You've got to sort it out. And I think, look, maybe if I'm being just a human, on a human level, you know, Prince Charles or King Charles now,
Starting point is 00:57:53 just didn't want to put the boot into his brother. No, he didn't. He didn't, because also. But that shouldn't matter. Well, it shouldn't. But I guess the briefing from the British Royal Family, which I actually revealed here on outspoken, because they had privately briefed the mainstream media,
Starting point is 00:58:07 I thought it should be public. Part of that briefing, and I actually did think this was fair enough, Emma, was effectively suggesting that we've got, got to be careful here or we'll have another suicide on our hands in terms of Andrew. Yeah, no. You see. And we've already had Epstein.
Starting point is 00:58:22 Well, I don't believe that's a suicide, but it's a death, which the deep state says is a suicide. We've had Dufrey, which was definitely a suicide in my belief. So we've already had two suicides connected to this story. It sometimes does feel a bit like the mainstream media will not be happy until Andrew is in a box. Yeah. No, I completely agree.
Starting point is 00:58:46 I mean, don't you're right? Everyone has to be held accountable for what they've done. Absolutely, regardless of who you are. But you have to have that midpoint. I mean, let's say that Epstein did kill himself. If he did, well, let's look at that situation. Because the first thing you think of when you hear that is loads people might go, we killed himself, that's great, because he was a horrible guy.
Starting point is 00:59:05 Okay, well, now he's not serving time for what he did. And we're not able to find out the truth. Exactly. Now we have so many more unanswered questions that we will probably never be able to answer. And that's the backdrop of all of this. It's the fact that we have had no one held to account. Well, the only people we've had how to account for Epstein are Brits. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:24 Andrew, the royal formerly known as Prince, who's lost everything. Okay, he's not lost his liberty, but I mean, he's lost everything. Come on. He was a prince. He's now not a prince. And Galane Maxwell, who's serving effectively a live sentence in the US. But what about the Americans? What about the goddamn Americans?
Starting point is 00:59:44 What about Bill Clinton? What about Bill Gates, who were all at the Epstein Island? This is the thing, like you said at the beginning, I think like a lot of people, especially if you're in the kind of like the journalism world, you've been on a journey with this story. You've been from one end to the other. And I mean, there's theories out there that I'm more leaning towards now, that Epstein was an entire orchestrated thing in order to get wealthy, rich, famous, royals and everything like that
Starting point is 01:00:11 under some kind of mass blackmailing scheme. for power. Everything's about power and money. That's what we need to follow. And no, I'm not, because at the end of day, no matter how much someone wants to try and convince me or give me a amount of much money, I'm not going to do anything with a child. So I still think they're still responsible for their actions.
Starting point is 01:00:30 But let's look at the psychological angle here. There definitely seems to be a targeting of these huge names. And I think it needs to be looked at. It's outrageous that no one has been how to account for this. In America. No Americans. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:44 No Americans. and, I mean, we have Galane, who has been held accountable, but it feels like, yeah, but it feels like she's the scapegoat. Oh, yeah, and she was such an easy scapegoat, you know, rich, daughter of a millionaires, British, you know, not in democratic circles, because remember, all of these decisions have been made in New York, a democratic state, so the whole thing to me feels like to come from her up still.
Starting point is 01:01:08 I want to know, why, you know, she's been incarcerated for how long now? Yeah, she's been thrown under the boat. She is. She must have been offered. I think she was holding hope for a Trump pardon, but given how politicised this situation became later in the year. And of course, we saw Marjorie Taylor Green resign as a congressperson split from Trump in part because of Epstein.
Starting point is 01:01:31 Musk's tweets about Trump. Musk's tweets saying he was on the Epstein files. Huge pressure on Cash Patel and Dan Bongino in the FBI. It does feel like there is more of this to come over the next year. Wow. What a countdown. What a year we have had from two brilliant independent journalists. It has been so great to finally have you part of the outspoken family this year.
Starting point is 01:01:53 So E speaks freely. You have done incredible independent journalism work. And of course you can be found on YouTube and X and all platforms, really. And you're going to keep it up in 2026? It's only going to get bigger and better from here. I think that's true. I honestly do. I mean, you've done incredible work.
Starting point is 01:02:08 We're so grateful because, of course, we use some of your brilliant on-the-ground reporting. and it's so important that all of the outspoken viewers go and support these amazing young independent journalists like yourself and of course Lee Harris, who is addicted to news. Hopefully not much longer. Check this out. I've done that handle thing. What do you want? I've gone for my name, just Lee Harris.
Starting point is 01:02:30 So it may well change, but apparently the links will still work everyone. So it's addicted to news. But for the moment addicted to news. Absolutely. Both brilliant independent journalists. I am so grateful for having you here today. Thank you for having us. And let's see you again next year, right?
Starting point is 01:02:45 Any time, absolutely. Tomorrow, my God. How crazy. How crazy. And tomorrow, at the start of 2026, we will still be continuing the countdown of the worst of 2025. We are going to be into the top 20 with two more brilliant independent journalists
Starting point is 01:03:04 who you love, Kesea Noble, and based and bougie, joining me on tomorrow's superstar panel. So we are back 5pm, UK time. midday Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Remember, there is no live uncanceled after show until Monday, but in the meantime, you can access all of my royal content on Substack at www. outspoken.org. Outspoken is also available as a podcast now. You can find us on Spotify. We're available as a video there, but we're also on Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your
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