Dan Wootton Outspoken - CIVIL WAR BEGINS AS PIDDINGTON VOTES TO LEAVE UK BUT BBC ATTACKS DANNY TOMMO & RUPERT LOWE INSTEAD

Episode Date: September 16, 2026

BREAKING RIGHT NOW: The British civil war takes to the ballot box as Piddington votes to leave the Disunited Kingdom by an overwhelming margin thanks to government plans to destroy their village with an invasion of illegal migrant men. Restore Britain leader Rupert Lowe became the only party leader to visit the Oxfordshire village where he was greeted by emotional English patriotic women who have finally snapped. But the British Bashing Corporation and Victoria Derbyshire decided the real story is the rise of an invisible far right, as they used the overwhelming movement of the people to attack Danny Tommo of the patriot platform. Joining Dan on the Superstar Panel today is Doctor David Starkey, the legendary historian and host of David Starkey Talks on YouTube, and Lois Perry, the Director Heartland Institute in the UK and Europe, a Nigel Farage ally who is now the strategic director of The Reform Friends of Israel. PLUS: Tommy Robinson brands Rory Stewart a “clueless posh c***” as he denies Pakistani Muslim gangs are ongoing and dismisses the Islamist takeover of the Disunited Kingdom as an Elon Musk fantasy. AND: Megyn Kelly destroys Meghan Markle and Prince Harry over their decision to remove Archie and Lili from their happy Oxford school after just two days in a desperate bid to win taxpayer funded security. THEN IN THE ROYAL UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Meghan Markle’s WhatsApp messages are leaked as her mobile phone number is revealed in the latest security breach conducted by the Fake Duchess herself. We’ll reveal why with royal YouTube sensation According2Taz. To watch in full, please subscribe at https://www.outspoken.live LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for new videos every day: https://youtube.com/@danwoottonoutspoken?si=-2BhmEbBSN1fyESS?sub_confirmation=1 ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-wootton-outspoken/id1762436723 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltoneek2MSPL10CpSA1J?si=8f6d84e2db56448c ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danwootton/ Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/?hl=en #DanWootton#DanWoottonOutspoken#news#outspoken#uknews Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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So bundle up and come along for the bumpy ride. Stream a new episode of North of North Tuesdays on CBC Gem. No bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wharton. This is outspoken episode number 583. And breaking right now, the British Civil War takes to the ballot box as Piddington votes to leave the disunited kingdom by an overwhelming margin, thanks to government plans to destroy their village with an invasion of illegal migrant men. And the results are as follows. We had 200. and 85 yes votes. Today is just the beginning.

This is not an end for us. This is just a record that you are recording for us in history. Restore Britain leader Rupert Lowe became the only party boss to visit the Oxfordshire village where he was greeted by emotional English patriotic women who have finally snapped. As a woman anyway, it's very difficult to walk down the street as it is. And it makes me emotional because no one is listening to us. I'm listening and honestly, I can understand.

Parliament and the media have lost touch with British people. 100%. They no longer understand what Britain's all about. But the disgraceful state broadcast of the British Bashing Corporation has decided the real story of Pittington is the rise of an invisible far right as they used this overwhelming vote to attack Danny Tomo. of the Patriot platform.

We'll hear fears from some about the far right exploiting villages like Piddington. Have you heard of a guy called Daniel Thomas? He's a hard-right anti-immigration activist. I'm thankful for him that he's going to come by himself to start with. Why?

Can I ask you, have you heard of a man called Daniel Thomas or Danny Tommo? Yeah. What do you know about him? Have you heard of Daniel Thomas, Danny Tommos? Yeah. Okay, so he's an anti-immigration far-right activist. So what did you make, Vicky Spratt, of the real fears from some of those residents

that they could be exploited by members of the far right? Victoria Derbyshire is obsessed. So what she's saying is the BBC believes that this man, Danny Tomo, is the problem not the invading, rapist, terrorists and murderers. The disgusting, despicable left hounded her, called her a Nazi, put a megaphone within this far. far away from her ear and was calling her the most disgusting names you could imagine. Oh, we have the man to break this down today.

Joining me on the superstar panel, Dr. David Starkey, the legendary historian and host of David Starkey talks on YouTube and alongside him. Lois Perry, the director of the Heartland Institute in the UK and Europe, a Nigel Farage, close ally, who is now the strategic director of the Reform Friends of Israel. Also coming up on the show today, Tommy Robinson brands Rory Stewart, a clueless, posh, sea word, as he denies Pakistani Muslim gangs are ongoing and dismisses the Islamist takeover of the disunited kingdom as an Elon Musk fantasy. And Megan Kelly destroys Megan Markle and Prince Harry over their decision to remove Archie and Lily from their happy Oxford school after just two days in a desperate bid to win taxpayer-funded security. We're also going to have much more in the Royal Uncanceled After Show on substap, with according to Taz on Megan Markle's leaked WhatsApp messages, by the way.

And a brand new, Greatest Britain and Union Jackass will be revealed by the end of the day too. David Starkey has nominated Rory Stewart for dismissing the significance of the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs. Lois Perry has nominated Red Rainer, the Tax Evader, for trying to retrospectively change electoral laws like a banana republic. and I've gone for scheming sturgeon for wanting to abolish the monarchy. She says she's just doing this, by the way, to be nice to Prince George. Do keep your superchats coming through too. Let me know what you think.

David Starkey and Lois Perry is standing by, but now let's go. The Civil War to take back Britain and stop the Islamist takeover and daily invasion is going to take many twists and turns. But Wednesday, September, the 6th,000. 16th, 2026 will be an important day as the 300 residents of the tiny Oxfordshire village of Piddington overwhelmingly voted to secede from the United Kingdom over the Labour government plans to swarm their beautiful slice of the England we all yearn for with thousands of illegal migrant men. The referendum was symbolic to send a message to our out-of-touch establishment that we do not want.

the place that we call home to be colonized by floods of fighting age rapists, murderers and terrorists who are anything but British, no matter how much our state broadcaster wants to convince you, it is for your own good. And this morning, when the vote came in, it was a massive defeat, a seismic defeat to the people who I describe as the BBC class, who had tried to turn this entire story into a fight about the far right. We had 312 votes counted, which is nearly 92% of the ballot papers issued. And the results are as follows. We had 285 yes votes.

Now just think about that result for a moment. It translates to 92% of the population of Pinnington voting to quit the UK and pursue self-determination only 8% voted against. So why did this vote matter so much? Well, partly because for the first time, the first time ever, the British Passion Corporation acknowledged that this was a story big enough for the 6 o'clock news. Residents in a small village in Oxfordshire have held a symbolic vote today on whether they should become independent from the UK. Around 350 people live in Piddington. Their referendum is in protest at government plans to house more than 1,000 male asylum seekers on their doorstep.

The asylum seekers would be moved into this former military storage depot called Site A, and it would quadruple the village's population. Duncan Kennedy reports. It's the Oxfordshire village that's mentioned in the Doomsday Book, but Piddington is now at the centre of a very modern chapter of British life. People have been voting all day in their own referendum. They want independence from the UK so they can block plans to house asylum seekers nearby. Probably good. We're just going to go in now.

Voting by post and in person at the village hall has been brisk all day. You don't think it's a futile exercise because it has no legal binding? I think it's an exercise that sends out a powerful message. We understand it has no legal binding. The village with a population of around 350 people is just half a mile from this disused military base where the Home Office want to house 1,250 asylum seekers.

The camp was used for storage. The only people here today were the security guards filming us. So finally, these wonderful patriots fighting back have been given a mainstream media platform. The referendum voting slip asks if people want to succeed from this. UK. It has no legal basis, but villagers say it is symbolic. It's just really hard to see that many people that are unvetted and you just don't know who they are. It's just the sheer scale of it. They're putting these people everywhere. They shouldn't do it. It's disgraceful. They've got to wake up and smell the coffee and not kick a can down the road,

which everyone's been doing. I mean, who could disagree with that patriot? The only party leader, brave enough to visit Pittington before the vote was restore Britain's Rupert Lowe, who argued these decent people deserve so much better. Incredible British women all over our country in Pittington and elsewhere have had enough of the invasion and are making their voices heard. These brave women can save Britain. And his emotional exchange, which I'm about to show you with a distraught local woman, was sadly ignored by the BBC.

As a woman anyway, it's very difficult to walk down the street as it is. And it makes me emotional because no one is listening to us. I'm listening and honestly I can understand and having done the rape gang inquiry, which is linked to this, I'm afraid, it is shocking what the government's doing. And they're not serving the interests of the British people. So hopefully lots of bodicea like you will stand up and we will see things. We've got to speak about it. Women are far more powerful than men. And if we can get the female contingent fighting as hard as... Absolutely. And we have to keep speaking about it and we have to not be scared of the backlash either.

I've had some horrendous comments on the videos that I've, you know, that I've been included in, calling me all different names, as you all well know. I'm used to. Exactly. But we're not, which is why people are afraid to speak out about it. But we have to speak out about it because we, you know, our voices, matter and this is our country. God, don't we all feel for that woman? We feel her pain, we feel her frustration, we feel her anger and we acknowledge her bravery to speak up to hell with the leftist criticism. Parliament and the media have lost touch with British people.

100%. They no longer understand what Britain's all about. They have become a little sort of self-serving elite, which is now, in my view, gone malign. So we have to change that. And the only way we're going to change that, ultimately, is through the ballot box. It is absolutely. So when the majority of people wake up, they will vote for somebody.

I think they're waking up. Who is actually going to change it? This is waking people up. And I think that there are people whose opinions are changing, because especially when it is happening in their own backyard, nobody wants this. We don't want this anywhere. We don't want this in the UK.

We don't want to be paying for these people. They're not here to integrate into our culture. They're not here to become, you know, members of society. No, they're not. They're here to rape our women, pillage our culture and in many cases terrorise us to death. So let's start with the good news when it comes to Newsnight and Victoria Derbyshire, their leftist lead presenter. They did rightly decide that Pennington was the biggest story of the day. But as usual, they got their angle completely wrong. For them, this story isn't about the invasion of a community and this historic vote. But rather, the so-called far right, exploiting.

the situation. Protest in Piddington. News nights spent the day in the Oxfordshire Village, which today held a symbolic vote on leaving the UK. In protest, it plans to house 1,200 male asylum seekers at a disused MOD site next door. But this is our home, this is our family. We will not be moving anywhere,

which is kind of even more terrifying of how it can change our life. Yeah, it's always been like the most amazingly peaceful place to live. and we've never experienced the overt racism that we're witnessing. How should the government respond? And we'll hear fears from some about the far right exploiting villages like Piddington. There you go. That's what Victoria is really interesting. I'm going to prove it to you. She turned up in Pittington in her civs

and was immediately horrified to encounter actual patriots who supported the referendum vote to leave. I don't really want to leave the UK, but a symbolic vote over. the plans to house the asylum seekers here. Gina, specifically, what are your concerns? My concerns are the sheer scale of this. So we are a very small village, 46 children, 133 women,

and the rest are elderly widows. We do have obviously males, but it's just the scale of it. We are going to be outnumbered at least 4 to 1, and the women 10 to 1. That does not feel safe to us. Well, she didn't like that. So Vicki, in her civil,

in her civvies soon decided the best way to get the right angle for the BBC was to desperately hunt down locals who would inevitably attack Danny Tomo and his growing Patriot platform. Have you heard of a guy called Daniel Thomas or Danny Tomo? I'm aware of him yet. Do you know who he is? Only with regards to the Patriot something, what he's called. Right.

So he was involved in the Dover and Portsmouth demonstrations. where the men were all black. He's a hard right anti-immigration activist. He's tweeted today, I will be travelling to Piddington alone. I want to hear from the people who live there. I want to hear about the concerns of women and children, what sort of protection they think they might need and so on and so forth. What do you think of that?

I'm thankful for him that he's going to come by himself to start with. Why? Just because I think what he said last time in the news was that there could be 5,000 people. coming here and that again is also quite a worrying thing when you've only got 350 people can i ask you have you heard of a man called daniel thomas or danny tombo yeah yeah what do you know about him not masses um we saw what he and his guys did in portsmouth last week and you know i'm not going to shame him for what he did he's he's openly admitted that he's trying to look out

for his country and i would never sit here and discriminate against somebody that wants the best for their country i don't know enough about him to comment and what his views are what his thoughts are I know he wants to come here, and I'd happily speak to him, because I want to know what his interests are, what his thoughts are. You know, maybe he might be able to help us. Because if this does go ahead... Who knows who knows who knows... Saw that exchange and posted on X,

thank you to Victoria Dabeshire and Newsnight for televising the open invitation from the residents of Pinnington for my upcoming visit. I will not, under any circumstances, speak with the press when I visit. You will be talking to yourself, don't bother. I look forward to meeting you, Jamie. God bless the people of Pittington. Help is available. If we lawfully stop one site being used, we mirror it around the country, send them home or back to France where they came from.

But what you'll notice is that Victoria was obsessed. Victoria Derbyshire went to Pittington to find locals who hated Danny Tommel. That was her sole purpose. You'll see, she wasn't interested about their invasion or their affairs. It was all about Danny Tommo. And so when she didn't get the answer initially, she kept searching until she, until she found who, and this might be unkind, but this was Tommy Robinson's description, until she found the village idiot. So this woman, Rachel Marsh, an immigrant from New Zealand with a Caribbean partner who has decided she's not worried about the influx of migrants to Pittington.

And if you are, then you're a far right racist, part of what she calls the fifth wave of fascism. Have you heard of Daniel Thomas, Danny Tomo? Yeah. Okay, so he's an anti-immigration far-right activist, a long-term associate of Stephen Yaxley Lennon, who calls himself Tommy Robinson. He's tweeted today that he is going to come to Piddington

to your village in the next few days alone, so not with his men with balaclavas and black shorts and so on, to talk to people. What do you think of that? Yeah, I would say that that is quite concerning. I mean, I'm 54. I came to this country growing up in New Zealand, surrounded by overt racism. I came to England at the very end of the sort of National Front and BMP,

and I have seen these waves of fascism before. And whether Danny Tomo maintains his neutrality, I think what he's demonstrated is anything but neutral. many of the members of his battalion are convicted for violence and I would say that that is extremely concerning he doesn't know the people of this village he doesn't know my children

who are mixed heritage and I don't think he's welcome here and I think that the parish council have also maintained that so I am wondering why he feels entitled to come here now why do you think because the campaign has laid the foundation for it

and the media that have been courted and the reform candidates that have come here to use this as Ground Zero has given licence to that. Thank you very much. So Victoria Darbyshire was delighted. She had found her village idiot, Katie Hopkins, responded the better kind of white liberals of Pissington, happy to have Afghan rapists come to the country

just not near their four million quid homes. these women and their trust fund husbands have always been part of the problem. Now, after sending that viral moment on her TikTok all across the country, Victoria knew she had found the woman who she wanted to focus the rest of Newsnight on. Right. Do you mean people from outside? Yeah, I mean, more worryingly, people from outside. I've also... Like who?

The Patriot platform. When did she get that idea? Yes, Daniel Thomas's. Yeah, Daniel Thomas is obviously quite vocally in many outlets expressed his wish to make this his ground zero. Came to England over 35, almost 40 years ago and loved it for the diversity and the richness. Obviously, you know, my husband coming from Caribbean diaspora and also witnessed, you know, the tail end. of the BNP and the National Front. And this fifth wave of fascism that we're seeing now

is very much indicative of what was happening in the late 80s in this country. Well, Elie Paramour immediately spelt a rat posting. So apparently this resident of Pittington is more worried about Danny Tomo visiting than she is about the immigrants that are about to be parachuted in from around the Middle East. I, for one, don't believe this. They literally went out of their way to find a woman who had emigrated herself from New Zealand's sounds like a plant to me. And Stephen Edgington on that exchange added, she loves diversity and multiculturalism and starts crying about racism. Then why not accept

the poor asylum seekers? She claims it's an issue about men and gender. When we all know that's nonsense, if 1,000 Australian men moved in, she would not be protesting like she is. Now, that woman racial Marsh is a typical hard leftist. Like here's her Instagram account, where she posted alongside the picture with her husband. Sadly, this year something in the character of the village has shifted and it's deeply troubling. Now Danny Tomo's Patriot platform is openly talking about occupying Pittington with thousands of masked men, as if that is the issue. Henry Simerson has been looking into her background, revealing she is extremely politically active and is an open border pro-Gaza leftist. Again, no surprises there.

But back in the studio, Victoria Derbyshire decided yet again that the real story for Newsnight and the BBC was the one woman who was scared of Danny Tomo. So what did you make, Vicky Spratt, of the real fears from some of those residents that they could be exploited by members of the far right? I think they're right to worry. We've all been seeing what's been going on with protests, people in balaclavas, recently showing up to protest. I mean, if that happens, if that happened on my doorstep, I'd be very uncomfortable. I think they are right to be worried. Okay, so she got her answer. She got what she wanted. And this is how the BBC thinks.

I want you to look closely at the faces of one of their local journalists when Rupert Lowe starts spitting some facts. What should they do with their asylum seekers? They should either deport them. If you read our mass deportation document, Restore Britain has done a huge amount of work. There it is for everybody to read. It's on our website. a PDF of it. It's absolute, pure research by restore, looking at the constitutional reasons

why we have the problem, how we solve those, and then practically how we deal with it. It's all in here. That's just the start. He's horrified. I think one of the bigger questions is why the BBC has decided to make Danny Tomo. It's new bogey man. Clearly it's because he is calling out the left, as some of the demonic people ever to walk this earth, writing the evil in them is straight out of hell. I mean that. They need Jesus. They are godless and that is the issue. Watch. I want you to watch this video because it's important to understand the mindset of the people I'm about to talk about. The other day when I was in Portsmouth on the way to the gym,

I met a large group of elderly grandmothers, stood on a bridge in Portsmouth with English and British flags, waving proudly, showing their support. for their city, for their country, being beat to every second. Now one of those individuals, a grandmother, called Helen. Now, Helen is a devout Christian. She is a member of the Portsmouth Patriots. Now the video you're about to see is when she was in Portsmouth with the demonstration the other day. And she was trying to gather herself to get to where she needs to be with all the rest of the Patriots.

a walking aide and she was walking down the road and she had a t-shirt on back of that t-shirt it said Portsmouth Patriots what then happened is the left the disgusting despicable left hounded her called her a nazi put a megaphone within us this far away from her ear and was calling her the most disgusting names you could imagine i want you to watch this video and understand the mindset of the left. How evil you have to be to be able to do this to her grandmother. Oh, and do you know what evil Danny Tomo? What evil Danny Tomo and his evil Patriots army are doing today? Trying to find little Noah. They're searching for the little missing nonverbal boy Noah. That's what they're doing, helping the police. Today though is about the brave Patriots of

Pittington who have won the battle, if not the war. The parish council leader, Tim McNally delivered this message after the vote. And moving forward, and that is the most important part here is today is just the beginning. This is not an end for us. This is just a record that you are recording for us in history to represent against this plan, but also to the government about what people as constituents are looking for. You're going to have to change. You're going to have to grow into our way of thinking because you won't have politics

to the future if you don't. And in response, we only got more weasel words from Labor Cabinet Minister Lisa Nandi, simply deciding that this is part of a class war, a class war from this Labour government to put illegal migrants in non-Labour voting areas. And what I would say to people in Piddington is this, is that we are getting a grip on the asylum backlog,

we are processing a claims faster, we're removing people who don't have the right to be here, and small boat crossings are falling. But in the meantime, we cannot continue to ask, poorer communities who've already shouldered most of the burden to continue to do that and it is right and fair that we make sure

that that is distributed across the country. 1,400 males move in adjacent to a village of the total population of about 350. You support that. No, look, I'm saying to you Nick that this is not an ideal situation but we are dealing with the problem at source. In the meantime we cannot load more and more responsibility

onto some of the poorest communities in the country. Sorry to talk over you. Why is an airbase with 1400? better than a series of hotels. Because what we've seen over many decades now, but particularly over the last 10 years, is that those asylum providers have deliberately sought out accommodation in some of the poorest parts of the country. So in my town in Wigan,

there are some parts of the community where you get none of this accommodation on streets or other streets where every other house has been turned into an HMO, and people have put up with that for many, many years. I do think that a military base is a better option, but the best option of all is what we're doing, which is to reduce the asylum backlog and have a fair and efficient system

so that we don't have to continue to put communities through this. But that will not stand for the women of Pittington, who have had the courage today to boldly proclaim what the MSM want you to believe is unsayable. To the women of Parliament, we are the women of Piddington. We are mothers. We are grandmothers.

We are widows. We are workers. We are worried. We will be outnumbered. 10 to 1. 1,256 men. To over 3,000 and could rise again. Right next to our homes.

We won't be safe. We'll live in fear. You'll destroy this place. You've got the power. To stop this plan. We are begging you. We know you can. You stay silent.

You'll be to blame. Stand up. Speak out. Make your voice heard. To our fellow women. Give us your word. Well done, you amazing women. And now, Dr. David Starkey, alongside Lois Perry, on the superstar panel. Okay, Dr. Starky, I want to know what you think this Pinnington vote is about.

But I also want to know why you think the BBC. decided that the real angle here, the real story about the Piddington vote, was about Danny Tomo and his Patriot platform. Right. Let's begin, because it's obviously a huge question. You covered an awful lot of it in that very extended segment, which I watch with great interest. By the way, I spoke to Rupert Lowe this morning, so I got some of what had happened direct, as it were, from the horse's mouth. You left out one enormously important fact. Did you know those people

voted Lib Dem? Yes. Isn't this really rather important? We have the extraordinary situation in Oxfordshire. There isn't the county. There is not a single conservative MP. Their representative on the county council is a Lib Dem. In other words, the sweet, dear, caring. people voted for exactly what they have got and if I were a brute I would say they deserved it and you know what we should be exploring is the whole liberal mindset I mean I think part of the I mean that was a wonderful report the only thing that I would criticize you on is you pick out the loom you know the sort of half Caribbean or whatever she was and the the kind of Nipo baby.

Well, that's the news night woman. They chose her. She was the only one they could find. No, no, no. I understand absolutely. Now, she represents the absolute extreme of liberalism. But the problem is most of the rest of the people in that village are general, how could one say, commoner garden liberals?

And the problem is, is the whole fact that we are soaked in a liberalism. but it means two completely different things. Our old liberalism was correct. It meant that within Britain, we believed in equality before the law, we believed in secure property rights, we believed in equal-handed justice, we did all of those things. But the problem was we then persuaded ourselves that we could apply those things which work within a fairly homogeneous traditional society, which is firmly rooted, in those values, we thought we could apply them to the whole wide world.

And that fundamentally we thought, because we learned within our own country, that we could dissolve barriers to an extent of class, of wealth, and of background of education and so on. We thought we could do it with everybody. We thought everybody fundamentally was the same. And this is the disaster that it was. If we look at the key piece of legislation, again, one of the things that we need to really to be pushing here, Danny, is that all that goes wrong is legal.

Yes. Depend on the current state of law. If we go back to the 1950s to 1951 when we sign up to the European Convention on Human Rights, everybody was well-intentioned. That list of rights very generally formed to the right to security of property, freedom of speech, family life and whatever. It was designed to protect the individual against the real Nazism. Did you notice the Nipo baby kept talking about fascism?

Yes, the fifth wave of fascism, she described. In 51, it was designed to deal with a real problem that had only just happened, the horrors of the Second World War, the repressive state. It was designed to protect all of us against the state. But what then happens, Dan, this is something, you know, you as a brilliant propagandist, you and I use that word for once in a good sense. I know I'm putting you in the same. I'll take it from you.

As honest to Campbell, but there we are. Never do that. Never do that. We all keep strange company from time to time. But what we've got to get over to people is that these good words like human rights were deliberately stood on their head from the 1980s onwards. Okay, well, can I ask you a specific question from a few? Can I just finish it?

It's so ultra important. The human rights that belong to everybody in their original conception were stood on their head. So it became the human rights of tiny undesirable minorities to be protected against the majority. The man who is more than anybody else responsible for all. of this, Tom Bingham, the judge, Lord Bingham. What he says is, listen to it. Human rights, by definition, this is the new version, not the real version, the new version of human rights, which is now law in Britain. Human rights are anti-democratic, counter-majoritarian, and they protect the minority against the majority. And he begins, Dan, by listing the minorities. They begin

with the mentally sick, Rudy Havana and Calocane. They go on to do. gypsies, asylum seekers. In other words, none of this is accidental. It's built into the law. And again, just to answer the last bit of your question, the reason that the Victoria Derbysers and the BBC and the Lee's Nandis go on about wicked right-wing influences, because they've got to blame somebody other than the truth. They've got to find an excuse. And unfortunately, in some ways, Although I can sympathize with people like Danny Tomo and whatever, if you see a great group of men dressed in black with masks, marching in formation,

they do look a bit like black shirts, you know. What is sad about it... Do you have a problem with the balaclavas? I have a fundamental problem. I know why they're doing it. But what do they look like? They look like those groups of Muslims that turned up. Do you remember?

Let's go back to South. that extraordinary incident in Birmingham, Sparkbrook, in Jess Phillips constituency, when they decided a group of local Muslims, decided the right had taken over a pub, and they'd go and sort them out. And if you remember, a chap nearly lost his liver because he was beaten up. And what did the police do? They sent a nice police superintendent who just happened to be Muslim. And he spoke to this great group of men wearing black, marrying masks,

carrying baseball bats. Do you remember what he said? Now, lads, don't let this get out of hand. If you disperse quietly, we are not going to say anything. And by the way, please remember to put your weapons back in the moss. Yeah, indeed. Just leave your big knives in the moss. Lois, can I bring you in?

But I do want to specifically ask about Danny Tomo, because Lois, you saw what the BBC tried to. to do in their report. And we can have a debate about the Balaclava issue. We can have a debate about that. But I really do think it is important to point out what Danny Tomo's Patriot platform is doing today, Lois, right now today. So the country is very worried about missing Noah in Brantham.

This CCTV image has been released by the police, this young nonverbal boy, police search team's now looking in a local lake. I mean, look, this story has horror written all over at Lois, potentially. Everyone's very worried about Noah. So what Danny Tomo has done today with his Patriots platform is turn up to hunt for Noah. He's just revealed we've now been given an area of woodland and field that hasn't been extensively searched. We're going there now to start searching, thus saying that all the other areas have already been searched and we're now going further afield. Any updates will be posted as and when they come through hashtag find no. So the reason I raised this, Lois, is not just because we're all worried about Noah and the whole country is talking about missing Noah, but also because the Patriot platform are actually getting off their ass to try and find this young boy. And these are the enemies of the BBC. Do you understand the point that I'm making, Lewis?

I do understand the point that you're making. It's very interesting actually because there was a point that I wanted to make that that actually goes into that. So the fact that him and his, he, him and his organisation are doing this is wonderful. Obviously, it's a very good thing that he's doing. And you wouldn't get left-wing groups doing things like this. And I just wanted to make the point that there is something inherently childlike about left-wing ideology and liberal, middle-class, liberal-to-left-wing ideology. It's childlike in that someone will always. be looking after you.

Someone else is always in charge and that everything will always be okay for you. And I think in a very, very, very strange way, you could argue that because of their childlike way of thinking, they

take for granted all of those things that Dr. Starkey was just talking about, you know, they don't realize how fragile civilization is, that it could collapse. If you're a parent, and you run a home, you know that the home being, a roof being above your child's head is dependent on your wages being paid to you each month. The child doesn't think like that.

The child thinks, well, of course I've got a roof over my head. And these lefties, these middle class, not a lot of female lefties, always believe that everything would be okay. You could argue that they have an even greater belief in Great Britain and our superior. if you like in terms of being civilized and civilisation, than those on the right. But they don't have any concept of how fragile it is and that it has to be protected. So if I was to give any compliment to him,

I would say, obviously aside from his group doing this good work, I would say that at least he has a comprehension that you have to protect what's important. Lois, was your close ally, Nigel Farage, wrong to describe the movement as disgusting? I mean, there you are, by the way, with Nigel at the Reform UK conference. Oh, God. Where did you get that? He didn't describe him looking for a boy that had gone missing as disgusting. No, no, no. He described...

No, no, I'm saying he described the first protest in Dover as disgusting. Do you think that was a mistake? Well, I must agree that it's very intimidating. I don't think those guys needed to go down there with the masked up like that. I really don't. Well, the issue is they would lose their jobs. Yes, Dave, Dr. Stuyke had come in. You see, I think the problem is there's a wonder, I was brought up on an actually rather important French novel,

which dealt with the response to political violence. And the problem is when you try to fight political violence, you find yourself using the same horrible methods. And he called it La Barb de Dragon. In other words, you get the spittle of the dragon on you when you try to fight it. And the problem with Danny Thomas lot, as I said, is they look exactly like the people they are protesting against. And there's another problem, Lewis, and Danny,

which is we are going down a route of sectarian violence. We are visibly separating into different groups. And in a sense, the appearance of both Tommy Robinson and Danny Tomo answers that I talked about that incident, the one in Birmingham, Sparkbrook. In those cases, what the police invariably do is taught to community leaders. Well, of course, us white people don't have or haven't had community leaders. Now, of course, Danny Tomo and Tommy Robinson are starting for a lot of people to emerge as that. And it is the risk of the politics of street violence. This is how.

But Danny Tomo is insistent there is no violence. And there was no violence. There was no violence. Why are they lost up? Because to protect their identities, because there's facial recognition technology, and there's companies that you two know both well know would immediately sack someone. Now, I actually know a young conservative woman. She's a member of the Conservative Party, right?

She was just recently suspended from her job for the most mild post on X, which was slightly right wing. Okay? Slightly center right. So you both know that if those men were to turn up at the Patriot platform. Danny, I have been cancelled. Yes. God's sake. Stop patronising me.

Of course I know. But that's why they're turning up in the ballot clover. I mean, sorry. Now, Danny, listen, I have somebody who've been at the receiving end of worse, right, the entire achievement of a life stripped away. Well, that's what they tried to do. Nevertheless, I will say it. I do not want to lay the foundations of a pattern of street violence. The moment you get-

Yes, but that's what I'm asking you about. But sorry, he says, look, I- But there was no violence. No, please, listen. I admired the discipline. I admire the control. I understand why you talk about the need for masks. But sorry, with all of those caveats,

you were going down a desperately dangerous route. Again, going back to your question to Lewis, this is why, very sensibly, in my view, you get a politician like, well, our best friend, Nigel Farage, saying, no, don't do it. But there's another thing. And again, we all, we're having an adult conversation on this. And it's really important that we address these very big questions.

If you look in America, of course, there's always a comparison made between Farage and Trump. The great difference in America is that MAGA incorporates exactly the Danny Thomas and the Tommy Robinson's. But Britain is still different. You see, again, forgive me, Dan, you're a foreigner. You're a New Zealand. Well, no, I'm not. I'm a British, I'm a British citizen. I know you are.

But no, no, no, but this is important. No, no, no, it's important. It really matters. I'm no different. I'm no different. No, I have to pull you up on that because I'm no different to Boris Johnson. I'm not a foreigner. I have English.

No, I'm 100% ethnically English. Can't you just be teased for one little tiny? No, because I'm not a foreigner in any way, because ethnicity matters. And my parents are entirely ethnically English. My grandparents fought in World War II. I was born in New Zealand and then moved back to my homeland. Genetically, Essex.

Okay, but the one I'm trying, what I really... No, because I think ethnic... Ethnicity matters. But ethnicity does not matter in law. And we have deliberately changed that. And deliberately undone what was the practice birthright citizenship. But so what we've got to understand is the risk of throwing everything away.

The peculiar wonderful thing about Britain has been unlike France, unlike Germany, unlike Spain, unlike Italy. We've avoided street violence. We don't have a politics of automatic violence. As you do, no, rioting is not legitimate here. It's legitimate in France. It really is. It's part of a revolutionary tradition.

And my fear is, with each step like this, we go further and further down that route. And it's a terrible one. I mean, my whole campaign, as you know, I'm heavily involved in trying to deal with these issues. I want to deal with them through the ballot box. I want to deal with them legally. I want to deal with it by undoing these bad laws, by persuading people that the use of language, of talking, of the protection are on.

of people like these illegal asylum seekers is wonderfully rooted in human rights. This is wickedly perverted. But we've got to do it that way. We've got to do it with the traditional route of good, argumentative, vigorous politics, not street warfare. And these are steps in that direction. I'm just going to interrupt you both briefly for one moment. We have some sad breaking news in relation to what we've just been talking about. A body has now been found in the search for missing Noah Woods.

Police have confirmed. Superintendent Tom Pearce says dive teams recovered the body of a child from Decoy Pond. The body is believed to be that of Noah. He said it was being treated as not suspicious but unexplained. So that is a very sad end to the story of young Noah. Tommy Robinson has described Rory Stewart as a clueless, posh, sea word. After the former conservative, who I don't think is a conservative in any sense, a small C or big C conservative, decided to try and completely demean the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs,

suggesting that they're not going on now, even though the Metropolitan Police have admitted that in London, there has been a massive cover-up, and they most certainly are, regardless of what Sadiq Khan says. So this was Tommy Robinson's response. Roderick James Nugent Stewart says there's more important issues in Britain than Muslim rape gangs. He says they happened 10 years ago, they're still operating rod openly. And with our borders open, the world is pouring in and joining the attacks, cluelish, posh, sea words. Now, we're going to get response from our superstar panel, Dr. David Starkey, and Lois Perry,

in just one moment. But first, I want to show you what Rory Stewart said in this interview with Michael Gove on The Spectator, because he also claims that I'm just making up this Islamist takeover of the United Kingdom. Were the horrible abuses and grooming gangs, absolutely. Are there families living in Birmingham who, I think, are creating bad issues for their own families and society? Yes. do I think that this is a big problem for Britain? No.

This is a manageable problem, including some very unpleasant things where the police did not act correctly, people behaved in an evil fashion, and they need to be prosecuted. But what are the real problems facing Britain? Not this. And the thing that winds me up is that the cultural warriors talk as though the fundamental problem facing Britain in this sum.

It's an irrelevant problem in the greater scheme of things. The fundamental problems of Britain are our economy's not growing fast enough. We have no vision of the global order. We don't have a proper AI and technology policy. We don't know what to do about innovation. Our public services are creaking. Those are the real things that will make lives better. And there was a little bit more, of course, the real enemy is Elon Musk

and the rape gangs are all over. They're just all over, Rory Stewart says. But what worries me is that there's bad face. here, that the people banging on about this are banging on about it totally disproportionately. They're forgetting that a lot of this happened some time ago, and they talk about it as though it's now. There's a lot of elision. Is Elon Musk clear in his mind that a lot of the cases he's talking about happened 10, 12 years ago? Dr. David Stuckie is Rory Stewart right or wrong? I think Rory Stewart is blind, but Rory Stewart is fundamentally that type of

liberal, liberal conservative that I talked about at the beginning. He, I mean, you may have noticed, he talks about an international order. Rory fundamentally believes that everybody is the same. And he's even more willfully blind, I think, about the nature of Islam. Islam is not like Christianity, or at least it's not like Christianity became in Britain in the last 200 years. Essentially, Christianity in Britain is private. It is a matter of personal. belief. With Islam, of course, it's something fundamentally different. Islam is not a religion in our sense of the word. It is a complete recipe for life, including politics. Islam claims a superiority to the state. It claims that Sharia law is superior to the law of the country. It claims,

and repeatedly emphasizes, the right to enforce itself by force. Repeated. Repeat, The most dramatic, of course, in the form of a fatwa, but by street demonstration and everything else. But the even more fundamental thing is, despite the fact that this religion has powerful alien elements, it's also associated with social groups that are organized fundamentally differently. We organize ourselves in small nuclear families and we're highly individualistic. These people are bound together, not simply by the religion, which ties them back home and to the Muslim world. They're bound together by utterly different things like clans. We talk about the rape gangs.

We're using the wrong word. These are family groups. These are rape clans. They're rape families. And not only do they rape in families, they vote in families. They run businesses in families. They have a completely different system of banking, a completely different system of mortgages. In other words, we have imported for the first, and I want to bang this point home, harder and harder and harder.

For the first time in our history, we have imported self-contained alien groups. That is true. That is a fact. And for all of the willful blindness, the see-no, I mean, look at Stuart, the C-no. evil, the hear no evil, the smell no evil, the taste no evil, this absolute determination to see the best in everybody, incidentally, apart from you and me and other wicked people on the right, to see the very, very best of everybody, it's a naivety, it's a blindness. But also, unfortunately, and I'm going to keep on on this point, the law is behind him.

This is why we can't solve the problem of the asylum seekers. The problem of the asylum seekers could be solved tomorrow, it needs a change of law. And until we have that change of law and a willingness to enforce it, we will get nowhere. And all that you get is again going back to Lisa and Andy. You get the idea, well, if one group is suffering, isn't it only fair that everybody is suffering? There's a rather sweet article in the spectator today that says, that's a bit like saying because somebody has been fed a meat pie with botulism, everybody should be fed a meat pie. But this is the stupidity of our political class.

But I know Rory Stewart has, thank God, a one-off. Wouldn't it be terrible if there was a nation? Imagine looking like that. If there was a nation, it's very unfair, but it's true. It's like the green goblin. If there was a nation of Rory Stewart's. But the problem is he represents he represents unvarnished without concealment the fundamental attitude of our ruling class.

That is the problem. That on right and left, well, until very recently, on right and left, which is why he could be briefly remember a cabinet minister under, I think it was David Cameron, and why the conservatives were in power from 2010 to 2024, and none of these problems of immigration or how we deal with criminals or whatever was solved in the slightest. They were all made worse.

They were all more deeply entrenched, which is why, of course, Nigel Farage emerged. I mean, Nigel didn't create these things. He is a response to the failure of the union parties. Very, very simple. Absolutely. Lois Perry, what's your response to Rory Stewart? it. Well, I'd say that the things he's talking about are actually intrinsically linked. So he talks

about the economy not growing at a fast enough rate. Well, why is that? You know, it's because there's been a takeover of all of our institutions by Marxists, who are unfortunately, again, intrinsically linked to radical Islam and political Islam. They're a very strange bedfellows, but they're using each other for each other's purposes at the moment. And, the reason it was so shocking about the rape gangs was the complicity of the police, the social services, the councillors, and at the very top of government

in all of this. So it is the complicity and the woke and the leftist, communist, Marxist takeover of our institutions, the reason our economy is not growing and the reason why this happened with the rape gangs, but more importantly, well as importantly, is the reason why we are so shocked by it. We are not shocked as a people

that there are groups of old guys who are grooming girls, unfortunately. But we are shocked that our police were involved, they covered it up, that the girls were described as child prostitutes. Apparently, when the conservatives were in power, there were conversations at the very highest level in Downing Street,

where they described them as child prostitutes with drug problems, et cetera, et cetera, oh, don't worry about it. Do you want to know the real reason why they didn't worry about it? Because it wasn't middle class, upper middle class girls who had dads at home who would fight for them. Like Piddington, they've really, really chosen the wrong people at, you know, a very middle class Oxfordshire village to put all these young guys in. And so that's, so those things are litig. Can I get political with you both?

Because obviously it's relevant, David, that Lois has just launched this new organisation within Reform UK, the Friends of Israel organisation. Well, I just need to make one very, very quick point there, Dan. Yes. It is an affiliated organisation. It is not within reform. It is like the other organisations, Conservative Friends of Israel, Labour Friends of Israel. Got it. To some on the right, that is now highly controversial, certainly within Restore Britain.

At the same time, David Starkey, there is these massive, massive donations from these two crypto billionaires, which potentially could transform Reform UK's fortunes after a very difficult few months. So I just really wanted to understand from you both, really, where you see the political climate moving, especially for Reform UK, because we haven't spoken, Dr. Starkey. since those revelations from the Channel 4 undercover investigation as well? Well, I think that, as it were, the two sets of things fight each other in a really interesting way. If we go back to the earlier revelations of people like James Orr and whatever he was called, Jukes, who was more or less... Dan Jukes, we just saw him, yeah.

Yes, more or less his, whatever you call it, chief operating officer or whatever, and James or his head of policy, they were soliciting donations of 35,000 pounds illegally. And, you know, it's extraordinary. It's like trying to snatch a dime from in front of a moving train. The whole thing now just looks so completely stupid, amateur, misconceived. You're about to have this vast wall of money descend upon you. They'd already received huge donations from both Harbon and everybody else. And it does point, and Louise may disagree with,

Louis may disagree with it. It was not exiled for ages. No, just one second. The, what it points to is, I think, of what I've talked about before, a fundamental amateurism within reform. There is no clear structure of command that I'm afraid I always describe it, and it's very naughty in terms of the analysis of Hitler's way of running things, that you're sort of constantly working towards what you think Nigel wants.

So the problem is reform at the moment is a court. It's not a structured party. And you can use the court very effectively to do what Nigel has been brilliant at. Again, let's say this loud and clear. He is the most important figure in 21st century, political history. The whole quitting the European Union and whatever, which is seismic, would not have happened without him. On the other hand, these are single-issue campaigns. What he is now doing, aiming to do, apparently, which is to become prime minister,

to lead a party that will command a comfortable majority in a general election, This is an utterly different thing. Now, it may be going back to those huge donations, the $2.36 million, which you're taught up to $72 million. And it may be that if they're used properly, you can genuinely professionalize. And again, the criticism is easy to make, but it's easy to see what the problem is. Labor and the conservatives, the conservatives have had two centuries of practice at this. Labor has had one century. Reform has barely, haven't even had 10 years.

So it's easy to see what the problem is. But that demands a degree of energy, of focus, of focus on organization. And above all, this is where the whole discussion needs to come back to, really sharply focused policy that looks at those big questions. All the things Lewis was talking about, the reason we are so badly misgoverned, I don't think it's because of Marxists. I don't think many of these people are Marxists. They're broadly on the left. But it is that we've now got a structure of government that fights itself, that's in contradiction. You know, you want to build a railway. Fine. You want to build HS to. At which point English nature

jumps in and says, well, sorry, you've got to stop. We've got to have a back tunnel, which costs, you know, a sort of moderate hundred million. And then they say, well, we're trying to build a nuclear power station. They say, no, our fish might get. overheated, another spaffed up 600 million. And this is what goes on. And then if we decide, you know, you want, Burnham is showing clear indications. He really does want to resume some production from the North Sea. What is the risk? Immediately will be judicially reviewed because Theresa May was stupid enough to pass net zero by 2050 into law. In other words, we've deliberately taken power away from the only people who answer to the country and the only people who could

take an overview of policy. The only way that we can balance the rights of the individual, like the illegal immigrant, against the rights of the community, is by taking it out of the hands of judges, because judges will always protect the illegal immigrant against the need of the community. They will always protect the madden against the community. So, but in other words, what reform has got to do is to enunciate this clearly. It's got to stop just focusing on immigration. Because in that sense, Rory Stewart is right. In other words, it's not that reform isn't important.

Sorry, it's not that immigration isn't important. It's not that the rape gangs are not important. But they are symptoms. They're not the cause. And you can't deal with them directly, only once you've dealt with the law, once you've changed all of these bad laws, which between them, they tie us down. It's like Gulliver in Lilliput, tied down with multiple bands, chains, locks and whatever. You have to tear them off.

Until we do that, no politician, not Burnham, not Starrma, not even Nigel will be able to do anything. But that requires your leadership of at least Thatcher quality, of at least Churchill quality. And the question is, can Nigel do that? Can any of our politicians? Lois, I just want you to come in on what Dr. Starkey said at the start, because the start of his answer, and he's not an anti-Faraj person. I mean, he's just said Farage is the most important politician of the century. But the start of his answer was utterly scathing about the current setup of Reform UK. So I want to give you a right of reply on that as someone. I know you're not employed by Reform UK, but you are closely aligned and you're a close ally of Nigel.

Well, first of all, I would say that Dan Dukes was not Chief of Staff and mistakes were made with regards to the revelations that came out in the Channel 4. documentary and Nigel has held his hands up to that and said sometimes we get things right most of the time we get things right but we always hold our hands up when we get things wrong it is my distinct understanding that there are extraordinary there's an extraordinary hiring drive happening at the moment restructuring lots of different wonderful things happening within reform hq you, this money will be extremely helpful. And yeah, so no, things are good. Things are very good.

But you know what? The most important thing is, when mistakes are made, you hold your hands up and you say, okay, got this wrong, let's move forward. And the other thing that David said that I totally agree with is he said reform has been going for 10 years. Actually, I would argue that the reform party, as a proper party, and this is no offence.

to Richard Tice whatsoever has only been building in its current sense for the last, well, since the last general election. So, yeah, we're doing very, very, very well. We're not 250 years old.

We're not 100 years old. We're not even five years old. But, but, you know, the polling showing that we will probably form the next government. So I don't think Nigel's doing too badly. Breaking right now, a new crisis for Buckingham Palace. In the past few moments, the Daily Mail has released the first serialisation of this bombshell book from Princess Diana's brother, Earl Spencer. King Charles has been

braced for its release over many weeks, and unfortunately, the news is not good. The first line that the Daily Mail has just dropped is that the King directly told Charles Spencer, who remember gave that famous eulogy at Diana's funeral, five damning words. Rest assured, we'll forget Diana soon. This was in a phone call days after her death. Now this book, of course, comes at a disastrous moment for King Charles, who is struggling to control the British royal family

after the return of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. But it is expected that this book is going to be very bad news. The King and Charles Spencer have a long-term feud. Charles Spencer very much on the side of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. But as I say, this serialization is going to be the biggest story in the country in the days to come. It is arguably the biggest royal book since Prince Harry's spare. And these are the first words from the book. I am learning of this at exactly the same time as you. So let's Let's get into it. A furious King Charles, or he was then Prince Charles, of course, told Earl Spencer days after Princess Diana's death,

rest assured we'll forget her soon enough, according to a devastating memoir. In allegations that will send shockwaves through the royal family, Charles Spencer's bombshell book to be exclusively serialized in the Daily Mail from tomorrow. So this is just the preview, folks, lifts the lid on an incendiary row with the now king over few. funeral arrangements. The argument followed the decision opposed by Diana's brother, the Earl, that Prince William and Prince Harry then aged 15 and 12 would walk in their mother's memorial procession. The Earl says he insisted to the then-Prince of Wales that Diana would not have wanted her young sons to endure such a public ordeal. So what he is doing here is backing up Prince Harry's version of events. Prince Harry has made it clear that he believes.

that decision for him to walk in procession alongside William and Charles and also the late Duke of Edinburgh was one of the reasons that he has had mental health problems for the rest of his life. And the mail reports that has claimed Charles then questioned the Spencer family's sense of duty before saying his ex-wife whose death sparked a global outpouring of grief would soon be forgotten. Earl Spencer says the comments unleashed by the king almost 30 years ago reflected his pent-up contempt for Diana and his horror that the world was so bold over by her death. The astonishing account of the king's alleged outbursts

is included in Song-Song-Songediana My Sister, which Earl Spencer, who is 62, says he has written to correct untruths about his older sister. I mean, I would also argue he has written this book to pay for or a very expensive divorce. The Daily Mail can disclose that includes a string of further extraordinary claims about Diana's failed marriage to King Charles and the tumultuous aftermath of her tragic death and a car crash in Paris in 1997. Revelations from the book are sent to plunge Buckingham Palace into a fresh storm just weeks after the dramatic return of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex and their children to the UK from California.

And there you can see, the Daily Mail is now touting this, as a world exclusive, a book they say so raw and revealing, it will shake the monarchy. And I do think whatever you think of Earl Spencer, quite clearly, he is part of this historic moment for the British royal family. Again, I do just want to fact check, though. At the time of Diana's death, he was estranged from his sister. Lots of people don't like to talk about that. But Earl Spencer had said that Diana would, was not welcome to stay at all thought at a time when she was completely desperate. So I do hope Earl Spencer deals with that because the Daily Mail certainly isn't. They write off the history on the September, on September the 6th, 97, six days after Diana's death. Earl Spencer famously delivered

a defiant eulogy at her funeral. That was later named one of the greatest speeches of the 20th century. His raw erration in Westminster Abbey was delivered after he walked alongside William and Harry as well as Charles and Prince Philip behind Diana's coffin in a funeral procession through. Central London broadcast to 2.5 billion people worldwide. In his book, Earl Spencer writes that when one of Queen Elizabeth's most senior aides told him in the days before the funeral that William and Harry would take part in the procession, he responded, that's not going to happen. But minutes later, he received a phone call from Prince Charles, who insisted that 18 years earlier he had walked in the funeral procession of Lord Mountbatten, his great uncle,

who he affectionately called Uncle Dickie. The memoir describes how Charles went nuts after Earl Spencer pointed out that the Prince had been 30 at the time of Lord Mount Batten's funeral in 1979. And let's be honest, there is a big difference between 30 and 12, Harry's age. In one of the book's most extraordinary passengers, uh, passengers, excuse me, Earl Spencer writes, Prince Charles continued his stream of anger without interrupting me. then he stopped. I assumed the pause signalled an effort to bring himself under control. But then he unleashed down the phone what I have always taken to be his pent-up contempt for Diana and his horror that the world was so bowled over by her death.

Rest assured he hissed. We'll forget her soon enough. Earl Spencer said that he was so stunned by the alleged remarks that he took a few seconds to reply. I can't believe you just said that, I said flatly before hanging up, he writes. Earl Spencer's description of the shocking outburst threatens to reopen the wounds of the so-called war of the Waleses, and Prince Charles's bitter split and eventual divorce from Diana, described as historic and extraordinarily moving. Swan Song is due to be published worldwide next Tuesday in the UK by Penguin Michael Joseph, a division of Penguin Random House with the Daily Mouse exclusive serialization.

Starting tomorrow. Okay, well, let's get to the superstar panel, Lois Perry, and Dr. David Starkey. Now, Dr. Starkey, you lived through all of this. I commented on it all for CBS. It is as yesterday. I remember that morning of the death. I was one of the very few people appearing in front of a television camera who was also wearing a pair of trousers. We'd all been roused from our beds at impossible hours in the morning.

I think that, again, most of us were surprised by the reaction to Diana's death. Remember, Diana seemed to have fallen in a long way from the peak of her popularity. She was going around with a rather seedy Arab, you know, Doti Fayed and whatever. The Daily Mail was brutal at that time in its portrayal of her. Let's again talk truth. There were signs of aging, you know, too much exposure to sun, too much time spent on Mediterranean yachts. And yet something very, very extraordinary happened on that day. I mean, I remember vividly at the end of the day in a taxi cab coming back.

I'd been dozens and dozens of TV stations. And there was a taxi driver who just said, I know who I've been watching you, explain something to me. I've just come on duty, and I had my daughter come down in floods and floods of tears. I said to her, what are you crying for?

And she said, oh, oh, oh. She's dead. She's dead. There's nobody dead in our family. Oh yes, there is. She was part of our family. And it was this extraordinary, I think it was a moment of national delusion. I think it's comparable to those moments like Black Lives Matter,

when an extraordinary burst of emotion took over the entire country. it's described by Lord McCauley, the great Victorian historian, in terms which I think you Dan will probably get cross about, but we can argue there is nothing as ridiculous as the British public in one of its periodic fits of morality. Well, I was going to say, I totally disagree. But the important thing is the morality play is, of course, it demanded a villain. Diana became a goddess.

Well, who was the villa? Goddesses, sacrifices, Diana the Huntress, and Charles had to become the villain. And the person who did most to turn him into the villain was exactly Earl Spencer, who, in that extraordinary speech, portrayed him as this monster.

Of course, he'd already been villainised with the whole business of wanting to be reincarnated as part of Don't say it, Dave. Please don't say it. We know, we know. Squidgey gate.

Part of Camilla's contraceptive equipment, you know, that extraordinary moment. But it was this popular madness and it's not only the king who got it right. It's not only Charles who got it wrong. Remember the queen spectacularly got it wrong. They thought the right thing was to write it out. And then they had to realize that this. And I think it's really the first time in British history.

Again, Dan, all the things we've been criticizing, remember, this is the beginning of this. This is the beginning of Blair. This is the beginning of the Blair years. Something changed. And that vast moment, as I said, of, of, of, popular morality, this vast rush of blood to the head, fundamentally changed how we behaved. And I do not think that the whole cumulative effect of the Blair years would have been possible without that. Rules were broken. Habits, stiff upper lip literally died that morning.

I exaggerate, but I think there are moments in history where you can actually see things really do turn on a pen's head and that was one of them. Yeah, and I remember you were criticized at the time for making some of those points. Sorry, just finish. What did you want to? What I was going to say is that, but equally we've now got to see that what Charles Spencer is doing, as you said, is paying for, is it the third or the fourth counter? I have rather lost track.

By the way, when I was last in South Africa, I met the first count. who was the most charming and beautiful women. Even I noticed how beautiful she is, which takes a great deal of effort, I can tell you, except she made none at all, not a patch of makeup on her face. But what he's doing is he is deliberately restoking those embers. And again, I think his identification with Harry and Megan,

if that's what he's doing, if that's the game that he's playing, will be, it will sell a book, but it will be profoundly foolish, both for him and for Harry and Megan. Remember, my view is, I think your view is too. Harry and Megan are an enormous lead weight now. They, too, have become an irrelevance and an absurdity. But a problem for King Charles, would you agree? Well, not a huge one.

I mean, there's a minority. There's a minority of people who care very passionately about Harry and Megan. And you know what's really interesting? A very large part of the black establishment that appeared, that played a very important part in trying to shape the narrative after the death of Jason Ardeh, the fictional, not quite fictional, the self-fantisizing Cambridge Professor of Education.

They again operate as a kind of cheerleader for Megan Markle on essentially racial or racist grounds. And it's important we understand. that. And some of that may come up. But again, Charles Spencer would be the bizarrest cheerleader for such a thing. A few things to pick up on. I do want to talk about the racism angle because Don Lemon, this American black broadcaster, is trying to stoke it now, saying that the reason that we are talking about Megan in this way is because she is black, even though she's actually not black and never described herself as black, and that Camilla, we should never, that we forgave

Camilla because she's white. But I'm going to come to that in just one second. But beforehand, Lois, I just want to say, I was 14 years old when Princess Diana died. And it was one of those seminal moments. And it's not that I disagree actually with Dr. Starkey and saying it changed us. But I also believe that the outpouring of love and affection towards her was completely genuine. This does happen a few times in one's life. You know, you could say it happened to America after the assassination of John F. Kennedy. And so for me, while Diana was clearly a flawed individual, she was special. She was special. And so that's why I think this book is going to matter. And the question is, Lois, at a time when actually a lot of the British public, can we just be

honest about it, turning against King Charles for a whole load of reasons, his sort of decision to bring Harry and Megan back without any actual pushback, his... decision to go for the defender of the faiths and seemingly care more about Islam and Christianity? Look, there's a whole load of reasons, right, why at the moment the British public are not exactly loving King Charles, even though we feel sorry for him because he's got this terminal cancer battle going on. How damaging is this going to be that he said, rest assured, we'll forget Diana soon enough. Will this stick, Lois? Well, I was just 16 when Diana died. And I actually, I was staying at my dad's house.

I'd just been to the Glastonbury Festival to celebrate my birthday so that the whole thing did seem extraordinarily surreal at the time. Yeah, there was something about Diana that appealed to people that felt that they'd been victimized or oppressed. There were things that she did, which were extraordinary, to be honest, the hugging of the HIV and AIDS patients, that they're highlighting various different things. But she was also a flawed character, as all of us are.

She was not perfect. And she did want to. I actually believe do as much damage as she possibly could to the royal family. She was a liability. I don't like Earl Spencer. There had been various unproven allegations. I don't like him. said that he

triggered her eating disorder by calling her constantly fat that he had been even inappropriate with her when they were children. There was all sorts of things. They were estranged. So I'm taking what he's saying with a pinch of salt.

I would like to make the point of... I'm sure he denies that, by the way, but it will be interesting to see if he deals with in his book. But what I'm saying is there's lots of allegations and things that Diana had said and the reports and things like that. I'm just saying that. I don't think necessarily that his word is particularly gospel.

But, yeah, but what I will say, just one point, those boys had to walk behind her coffin. She was their mother. Yeah, she was their mother. And what the problem is, they couldn't have had William without Harry. Right. And Harry had to do it as well. And he would have spent the rest of his life regretting it.

Good point. If he hadn't have done it. Very good point. Okay, so I just want to come to this Don Lemon issue. So because you raise this issue of racism, and this is what people even now in America are trying to stoke, Dr. Starky. So I want to show you how Don Lemon set up this claim. This is new. The royal family has demonstrated an almost supernatural ability to rehabilitate people, okay?

So Camilla, let's think about this, okay? Camilla has been given a second chance. Think about it. This was the woman forever associated in the public imaginative. we thought forever associated in the public imagination with the collapse of Charles and Diana's marriage. Remember, she was roundly hated. I know she was hated here in the United States, and I believe in Britain as well. And not just any woman, Princess Diana, Harry's mother, one of the most beloved women in modern history.

There was a time when the idea of Camilla being crowned queen would have sounded like a fucking Saturday night live sketch. And what's the difference according to Don Laman? It's that Camilla is white. So apparently redemption exists, but just not for Harry and Megan, the private citizens, but it exists for the white woman who was a mistress and broke up a marriage and is now queen. But Megan and Harry have somehow done something that is so horrible, that is unforgivable, that the press and the British people cannot forgive her, especially, or Harry. So maybe it's time that we ask that uncomfortable question.

Does Britain have a problem with Megan or is the problem with her race? Because they're not giving her the same grace as they give other horrible people or people who have done horrible things, including cheating and breaking up marriages. David Stanker, your response to Don Lemon. Well, I mean, this is the worst form of rat debating. But unfortunately, there are voices like that here. And again, as the Arday Affairs showed, unfortunately, a very large part of what you could call the black establishment, those who are heads of Cambridge colleges, professors in other universities and so on, immediately take up the race-based line. And it is one of the most terrible things that's happened, I think, to Britain. You remember, we all, led by Martin Luther King, you were making American references, hoped we would go into a.

race-blind world. And instead, the latest development of black consciousness did precisely the opposite. The left now is as race-based and as race-conscious as apartheid South Africa, except it just does it the other way around, black, good, white, bad. And this is why, I think, we have seen a revival of avert racism. And this is the paradox. It comes from the left. It comes from the non-white section of the population. I mean, it comes from the leading voices in the academic world like Pima Vida-Galat, Cambridge or whatever, the one, you know, white people do not matter as whites. White lives do not matter as white. It is fundamentally racist. It's just a mirror racism. In other words, bringing the whole discussion fully round, Dan,

What's happened with race is exactly what's happened with things like equality, with things like the whole business of human rights. We've stood good words on their head. We've turned them upside down. And until we change the laws which have done that, we're in this terrible world in which black is white and white is black and laws that are designed allegedly to be. protect human rights are used to suppress freedom of speech in which equality is inequality, because the only group of people who are not protected are white middle class males, straight, of course, and so on. And the kind of, I mean, if you listen to that man, that carefully scripted, cynical malice,

because that's what it is. And by the way, I would just make the point too, I actually question. whether Camilla has been forgiven. If you actually look at the polling, the mainstream media may have forgiven him, forgiven her the British public haven't really. But look, do stand by because we're going to reveal today's greatest Britain and union jackass. First, I just want to get to your superchats.

So thank you to MS Coral Jade, who says Dan Morton is fighting for us. Promise said, promise kept. It's why we watch. You so appreciate that. Gregory Irvine, 6712, says drilling oil, waiver it under national security. Stephen Garner, 825, says the BBC. is the enemy within Capricorn Moon. Rory is a wet wipe. He needs Alistair, Campbell to be his bodyguard. And very important point from Kerry Aeson girl after the very sad news today.

God bless, no, I feared that would be the scenario. Heartbreaking such a little life on this earth. A reminder of our Union Jackass nominees, David Starky nominated the aforementioned Rory Stewart. Lois Perry went for Angela Rainer, and I went. for Nicola Sturgeon. Here are the results. Scheming Sturgeon with 10%. Rory Stewart with 35%. But Lois Perry is the big winner.

Angela Rainer is today's worst Britain in the world with 55% of the vote. So Lois, I'm going to give you, given you of one, the opportunity to nominate out our greatest Britain today. Who have you gone for? Well, I'm going to go for Tim McNally,

who is the chairman of the parish council in Didington. Sorry, Pittington. he is just an absolute hero, as I say, don't mess with Middle England. So obviously Andy Burnham is trying to cause not just racial disharmony, not just everything disharmony,

but actually class disharmony. That's what he's really, really doing with this. And it's actually sort of backfired because the people of Piddington are not having it. And good for Tim McNally, he's standing up for his people, for his village, and voting to live.

leave the United Kingdom. So is it the independent Republic of Pittington? Are they still going to have a royal family? They're things that he needs to be thinking about now, I think. Lois Perry, who is of course the head of the Heartland Institute in the UK and Europe, Dr. David Starkey, who, among so many other things, is the host of Dr. David Starkey talks on YouTube, which I highly recommend you subscribe to. Thank you both so much. A brilliant superstar panel on a big, big day of news. Much more royal news, though, over on Substack right now, I'm teaming up with according to TAS.

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