Dan Wootton Outspoken - DAVID STARKEY SLAMS KEIR STARMER'S CRACKDOWN ON FREE SPEECH AS HE SAYS RIOTERS WERE RIGHT

Episode Date: October 18, 2024

The cancelled but eminent historian David Starkey has broken ranks again, giving an extraordinary new interview saying the so-called “rioters” after the Southport Massacre were right to demand our country back. In his Digest, Dan backs his intervention on Two Tier Keir’s shocking crackdown on free speech, revealing how the Prime Minister tried to get Starkey and Darren Grimes JAILED. Then his Superstar Panel, Christine Hamilton and Mayurun Senthalnathan, weigh in. PLUS: Fears that LBC’s hard lefties Carol Vorderman and James O’Brien have lost the plot now their Labour heroes are failing in power AND: As Sharon Osbourne admits failing Liam Payne, is the evil music industry committing abuse against children and teenage stars? To watch the exclusive Uncancelled After Show for 30-minutes extra content EVERY weekday, sign up at: https://outspoken.live/premium Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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episodes, totally free. But it is the best way that you can support this growing independent news movement. Today, the cancelled but eminent historian David Starkey has broken ranks again, giving an extraordinary new interview, saying the so-called rioters after the Southport massacre were right to demand our country back. The whole thing is a disastrous utter mess. And do you know who summarised it best, the consequence? It was those rioters in the north of England. Their principal cry was, we want our country back. They felt viscerally that it had been taken away. They felt viscerally that

they had no voice. They felt viscerally that they'd been cheated. And do you know what? They were right. In my digest next, I back Starkey's intervention on two-tier cares, shocking crackdown on free speech, revealing how the authoritarian prime minister tried to get Starkey and Darren Grimes jailed. Then my superstar panel, Christine Hamilton and Myron Centelnathan weigh in. Also coming up, fears that LBC's hard lefties Carol Vorderman and James O'Brien have lost the plot now their Labour heroes are failing in power. And as Sharon Osbourne admits to failing Liam Payne,

is the evil music industry committing abuse against their teenage and child stars? Then in the uncancelled after show, Neil Hamilton joins Christine and we're going to look at how the cancer-stricken king is dealing with demands for reparations and rejections from Republicans as he touched down in Australia just a few hours ago for a very controversial tour. And it rained on him too. You can register to watch on our website right now, www.outspoken.live. That is our safe space, which is free of censorship. Your support at just £5 a month gives you the 30 minutes of extra content every single week. If it allows me, we continue making this independent daily news show. Now, let's go.

When I describe the UK's Prime Minister to take his stomach as an authoritarian or Elon Musk says the Labour leader has created a police state. Some of the usual suspect lefties start to scoff. But the jailing of housewife Lucy Connolly's, who not so coincidentally happens to be the wife of a Conservative Party councillor, for two and a half years yesterday for a tweet proves that dissidents are now being locked up. But now the eminent but cancelled historian David Starkey has spoken up in a bombshell interview with the Daily Skeptic to reveal Slippery Starmer tried to jail him too for speech. I've never met Keir Starmer, I'm delighted to say. But we have, as they say, previous. At the time of my cancellation back in 2020, Starmer was the only person in public life who wanted poor little Darren Grimes and me to be charged under the Section 6 of the Public Order Act, which I think carries mandatory imprisonment and up to six years. But is the measure of the man, the measure of his nastiness, the measure of his desire for vengeance, the measure of his hatred of free speech and his general hatred of freedom.

A hatred of free speech, a general hatred of freedom. Yes, David Starkey, you're completely right. But David wasn't done there. He also slammed Stammer for politicising the so-called riots after the Southport massacre for his own gain. Let's look at the truth. What he tried to do, of course, with the riots was to claim that they were the product of this mythical far right. Remember, far right means absolutely nothing at all.

It means just what you and I would call on the right spectrum of politics. So what he did, and I think it was a profoundly dangerous thing, he immediately politicised the riots. And it's very striking if you look back and compare the public reaction to the policing of the riots in 2011 and in 2024. And in a view that you will never hear on the MSM, that I have spoken about given I'm now on the independent media, since those very dark days after the Southport massacre,

David insists that what these so-called rioters were fighting for was right. The whole thing is a disastrous utter mess. And do you know who summarised it best? The consequence. It was those rioters in the north of England, their principal cry was, we want our country back. They felt viscerally that it had been taken away. They felt viscerally that they had no voice. They felt viscerally that they'd been cheated. And do you know what? They were right. Oh, can't you just see the usual suspects, the liberal authoritarians, as Matt Goodwin has described them today, like Emily Maitlis and John Sobel and Carol Vorderman and Gary Lineker having their heads exploded over that one. But I think Starkey is right, because poor Lucy Connolly is just one of 400 political prisoners already locked up,

while paedophiles like Hugh Edwards don't get a day in jail. And there is growing outrage over her sentence that leaves a 12-year-old girl without her mother. Her mother, by the way, this is Lucy, who was so traumatized by the death of three young girls in a Taylor Swift dance class because her son Harry died in 2012, aged just 19 months from dehydration after a series of basic errors by the NHS. But the judge didn't give a damn about that while sentencing Lucy yesterday. And by the way, I am in touch with Lucy's husband, Raymond Connolly, the Tory councillor, and he was stunned by the

harshness of his wife's sentence and is currently deciding whether to appeal. And while the MSM completely ignores this story, luckily the only space for free discussion, Elon Musk's ex, is pointing out the egregious nature of it. For example, from Emily Davison, on the same day Lucy Connolly was jailed for 31 months for a Facebook post. Well, it was a tweet, but same thing. A policeman who sexually assaulted two women, a registered sex offender who asked children for naked pics online, and a pervert voyeur who secretly filmed women on the toilet because he was, quote, horny, all walked free. And what about the Birmingham judge who decided to lock up Lucy for such a long time? Well, it was actually Kelvin McKenzie who drew my attention to

a key thread. He wrote, this is a required read about the idiot judge who thought it appropriate to give a two and a half year sentence for a woman who sent a tweet. There was no proof offered that it incited anybody. She should get a decent KC and appeal. And this information has come from the stark naked brief on X, who wrote some context on the judge that sentenced Lucy Connolly, the wife of a conservative counselor, to 31 months in prison. In April, Judge Melbourne Inman Casey, the recorder of Birmingham, presided over the case of Mohamed Abdka. Abka set two worshippers on fire as they left mosques in 2023 and was subsequently found guilty of attempted murder. But because Abka suffered from mental health issues, Judge Inman

decided a prison sentence was not appropriate. So he instead sentenced Abtica to an indefinite hospital order. Judge Inman further explained this was because of the possibility of him relapsing and causing significant risk to others. For Connolly, Judge Inman said the sentence for her offences was intended to punish and deter. So the Nanker brief says that due to our sentencing guidelines, the way our laws are written, the choice of charges and the judge's discretion, we've once again ended up with violent words being more harshly punished than actual violent action. And Peter Lloyd also pointed to another case, writing, the judge who sentenced Lucy Connolly previously gave a Muslim man, and it was actually according to community notes on X, by the way, the man was Sikh, but that's irrelevant, the point remains, just 18 months for killing a little girl. Antonio Bopperan pleaded guilty to causing death by dangerous driving and served just

nine months. The judge was Malvin in Man, you see. You get less time for killing a little girl than posting an inappropriate message on X. And while it was a different judge, I still cannot get over the story of Mohammed Hassan. He avoided jail altogether. Now, this Muslim man was caught on CCTV physically attacking three Asian women because they were in Western dress. During a 51-second brutal attack, Hassan grabbed the driver, slammed her head onto the dashboard of her vehicle at the petrol station. He then grabbed another woman's hair and punched her in the head before hitting the third woman. Now, you're not going to believe what sentence he got six months suspended so that guy who beat up

three women on cctv for 51 seconds will not spend a single minute in jail i'm sorry how is that justice given the sentence luc Lucy Connolly was handed down for a bloody tweet. Two-tier UK is revolting. But now, it's time for the Superstar Panel. And I am absolutely delighted today to be joined by two of my favourites, Myron Centle Nathan, who is, of course, a Reform UK man, and my friend, Christine Hamilton. I've got to tell you about this, the host of a brand new interview series on One VSP. And guess who's one of her first guests? it's me it's me and christine uh you were a brilliant

interviewer i have to say you got a lot out of me so it is worth heading to christine hamilton's ex-account brit battleaxe to go and watch that interview after this show of course but myron let me start with you what do you you make of David Starkey making a comment that you're certainly not going to hear anywhere in the mainstream media? He wasn't saying that the riots were right, that it was right to be violent, that it was right to break the law, but saying the rioters were right in terms of the point they were making. The white chocolate macadamia cream cold brew from Starbucks is made just the way you like it. Handcrafted cold foam topped with toasted cookie crumble. It's a sweet summer twist on iced coffee. Your cold brew is ready at Starbucks.

Yeah, so David Starkey, I would consider him to be one of the wisest men in this country. Big time. To be honest. And the thing is, the people who were protesting, let's say, and the writing was obviously wrong, but the people who are protesting, they identify with this country. They identify their whole being, their whole nature, their whole purpose. They identify with this country, hence why they want this country back. Keir Starmer, on the other hand, he identifies not with this country, but with his own self-righteousness. And it's a massive form of arrogance and ego. And so when he sees that his ego is challenged,

which this is, this is an affront to his ego, he launches out in an authoritarian way. And I think that's what we see with David Starkey. That's what we see with the protests and the riots and the constant slamming and slurs of far right. He wants it to go away and he wants it to go away aggressively because he wants to maintain himself in the bubble of his arrogance and his self-righteousness. And that's where the authoritarian instinct comes from. And so I think David Starkey is right to call it out. I think, you know, condemn the violence, but the impetus to claim back the country,

Keir Starmer simply does not understand that. He doesn't get it. They live in a different universe to him, quite frankly. Christine Hamilton, how do you feel about David Starkey's comment? Well, I mean, I think those comments, your comments and my own comments, were absolutely right. He does, he lives in a parallel universe.

He doesn't inhabit the same world that I inhabit. He clearly doesn't. He is now, because he's the Prime Minister, he's in this wonderful elite little bubble and he's basically untouchable for goodness knows how many more months nearly nearly five years and i don't know he must have different different spectacles to me we know where they come from um i just don't we know they're very very expensive you know they're too expensive for him to afford even on his enormous salary but i just don't see the world in the same way that he does.

And the way you have described these differential sentences that have been handed down recently is, I mean, any normal person, average normal person, it is sheer. I can't really think of the right word. It is just so wrong and so obviously wrong to put somebody in prison. We are overcrowded in prison, didn't Keir Starmer just let a whole load of people out, some of whom immediately re-offended. How have we possibly got room for an innocent, okay, it was a misguided tweet, but basically she is an innocent housewife who made a mistake and she quickly

corrected it. She hasn't killed anybody. She hasn't hurt anybody. She obviously knows she did wrong. To put her in prison, what is that costing? Never mind the cost to her and her family and her husband and et cetera. What is that costing the taxpayer? And is that really value for money? No. And to say she's been put there to encourage it is basically what the judge said. It's a blatant to me, a blatant political sentence. Yes. Well, I believe she's a political prisoner. I believe she's a political prisoner. It's not justice. It's absolutely not justice. And it's certainly not British justice. Couldn't agree more. Now, Myron, you know, the first time you were on the show, you'd gone viral for your post talking about why things that these liberal authoritarians say are far right aren't actually far right. is that Sly News has been utterly determined to prove that there's some big far-right movement in the UK that sparked the so-called riots in Southport. But this week, they had to admit defeat because what they actually discovered is that all of the social media activity

from the so-called far- right was actually coming from overseas. So I'll get your reaction, but just have a look at what they had to admit on air. More brilliant work by you and the team this time looking online about who was responsible for stirring up hatred with the riots. Yeah, exactly. We want to take a deep dive and look at especially Telegram, the messaging app where a lot of these rights were sort of talked about and organized i think what we were really surprised by is how many of these were not from the uk so it's more than sort of 10 000 groups went through all these messages and it turns out the majority of these were not coming from the uk they were abroad effectively what you might call foreign interference but myron i wasn't surprised at all i know sly news was surprised because they don't get out of their homes.

But actually, there is no real far right in this country, is there? The people who were protesting, and I appreciate that nothing should ever turn violent. And, you know, I'm very consistent on that. But they were angry, ordinary people. They were not part of this bogeyman far right. Yeah. In the Labour government government they hide behind words like far right they hide behind words like working class people what does that mean um even even things like austerity um you know all of these things what is a woman they can't define what a woman is so how can you trust these people who can't define what a woman is when they use language they use it as a fig leaf to cover their incompetence or their ideology, which is

often quite unpopular. But the Sky News report feeds into an overall truth that the real threat of terrorism is what MI5 has openly said is three quarters of their caseload is Islamist terrorism. Far-right terrorism is in comparison a fraction of that i mean the amount of people that are genuinely sort of um swastika bearing nazi saluting individuals is absolutely tiny and i as an ethnic minority someone of a you know brown skin whatever it is the last time i received any kind of racist abuse or discrimination, I simply cannot remember. Wow. I simply cannot remember the last time I had anything like this in this country.

This country is not racist. But the narrative is they have to put it as far right to justify their authoritarian implementation of sentencing, of these, of clamping down on rights and so on. And so they need that narrative to continue. And Christine, the thing is, Keir Starmer, Slippery Starmer, two-tier Keir, he's totally out of step where even the rest of Europe is going. I mean, at the moment, you've got the EU effectively looking at the concept of mass deportations, looking at the concept of schemes like Rwanda,

because the public are not going to put up with it anymore. So he can try for some time to try and brand all of this far right, or he calls it populist and snake oil populism. That's his little term that he's using at the moment. That's only going to hold for so long, isn't it? Well, what's wrong with populism, frankly? I know the way he's using it, there's a lot wrong to hold for so long isn't it well what's wrong with populism frankly i know the way he's using it there's a lot wrong with it but i mean it's absurd and i'm very pleased to hear mayan say that he has not almost never received racial abuse and

this country is not full of far-right swastika bearing thugs it's not but anybody who is slightly to the right of kia starmer which is not difficult, is regarded as off the spectrum. It's just their way of trying to close down people who have a different view in that direction. And most people in this country just want to get on with their lives. They're not interested in far right, far left. But what they do want is they want their country back and they want their country back. And they expect the government to deal with it and it doesn't look to me as though this starmer government is going to take the tough measures and of course they're tough measures Rwanda would have been a tough measure

but that's what we need the situation is rapidly getting seriously out of control it's spiraling out of control I mean how many have come over in the boats? I mean, whether it's legal immigration or illegal immigration, it's too much and enough is enough. And somebody has got to get a grip and stop it. And unfortunately, the Tories didn't graft the nettle. They had this famous 14 years to do it and they frankly did nothing. The Labour government's not going to do anything. So is it any wonder that normal average people feel that they are powerless and helpless? And if they want to take to the streets, frankly, good for them. And they do expect, if they do, they expect fair policing.

Yeah, but I don't get it. If they commit an actual crime, then they would expect to be dealt with properly. But they do not expect this, as you say, it isn't two tier, it's four, five, six, seven tier policing. You can't trust your own legal system. And clearly the case of the judge in this Lucy Connolly business. I mean, honestly, that was just his prejudice coming out, frankly. That's not justice. Myron, you wanted to come in? Just a quick point, Dan. What Keir Starmer likes to pretend is that it's people like Nigel Farage who is radicalising the public, but they fail to admit that it's government policy, if anything, that is actually radicalising the British people.

The constant, like Christine was saying, mass migration, illegal migration, massive cultural change over just a couple of decades, That's what people are yearning for. Can I have my country back? Right. Can I actually have a society, a community that I believe in once again? That's what they're yearning for. And they're being radicalised by government, not by individuals. It's interesting, though, because we talk about the political situation and you talk about Barrage.

But there's this big battle going on within the conservative party too and i wanted to get your reaction to steve baker the former cabinet minister on gb news yesterday actually describing reform uk as dangerous so watch this and then i'll get your reaction off the bat it's quite dangerous for the country actually because i think reform is a strategic mistake. Look, the reality is they've got five MPs, so about the same size, I think, now as the DUP. So in terms of numbers in the House of Commons,

I'm sorry, they're irrelevant. Labour will get its business, and which way reform votes is never going to matter in this Parliament. But we have democracy, and that's why we like having minor parties. And that's lovely. Yeah, that's lovely and super, and they'll be important. What Nigel that's lovely and super and they'll they'll they'll be important what Nigel says will dominate the headlines and will be important but when it comes to actually what is the business in the House of Commons and which way does the

vote go they'll be immaterial now if what people want is good quality centre-right government I'm afraid what they need to do is save the Conservative Party and I know your viewers won't like me saying that but I think this is a massive strategic mistake. Well, no, I don't like it, Steve, because you didn't deliver good quality centre-right government. You delivered bad quality centre-left government. But what do you make of him describing Reform UK as dangerous, though? Because I would argue, Myron, that's actually dangerous rhetoric in itself what is dangerous about your party well this is going back to what I said before government policy has radicalized the British people and the way out of that radicalization is to give them a voice is to

give them a legitimate voice especially in parliament and that's what reform UK is actually doing but Steve Baker is doing the typical conservative pompousous, arrogant lens that he sees things through. He doesn't understand the political momentum and trajectory and the whole landscape that is now unfolding. That's different to what it was before the general election. He doesn't understand that a conservative party is actually two souls trapped in one body. You've got a liberal Democrat soul and you've got a Reform UK soul trapped in the Conservative Party and that's why when Cammy Bagenock in a recent debate

she said Robert Jenrick wants to leave the ECHR but that's going to split the party and we have to be very careful about that she understands these are massive issues and the Conservative Party they talk tough but the problem is because they're split under the stress of actually doing the

major changes that this country so desperately needs they will crack and they will they will actually their leader will be toppled and they'll get another leader because they're broken as a brand and they're split however reform by its very DNA is constructed to bring up British identity to control borders to scrap net zero targets, low regulation, low tax, all of these things are what reform was made for. So it's a party designed for the times that we live in and the change that we need. And we have a leader that has proven himself over decades, whereas they have Jenrick, who was in government and then did a U-turn, a massive turn, and then you've got Kimmy Bajnok, who's also in government.

So I don't think he understands how we're second place in 100 seats. And we're practically, we have momentum to do council elections and by-elections going forward. Oh, yeah. No, no, no. You're a growing force. Absolutely. But I just wanted to quickly say on Kimi Bajnok, I think it's even more significant than that. I mean, this is a woman who argued for mass immigration. This is a woman that once she was in government, didn't want to go ahead with the bonfire of the removal of EU legislation. She did quite the opposite. She's a stooge of Michael Gove. She's a stooge of the CCHQ. And I'm very surprised, actually, that Conservative members, I'm worried, seem to be being suckered into it. But look, breaking right now, crisis at LBC as Carol Vorderman leaves the station under a cloud and there are growing concerns about whether James O'Brien is actually stable. But today, Matt Goodwin, the academic, has put the LBC presenters, so those two, Emily Maitlis, John Sopel, Lewis Goodall, into a new category. He has branded them

the liberal authoritarians. And this is what Matt Goodwin writes on his sub stack. They struggle to tolerate any challenge, however slight, to their narrow group think. They use their enormous platforms or taxpayer-funded positions in public institutions to dogmatically impose their beliefs on everybody else in society. They often insult, undermine, stigmatize, and seek to silence people who hold different views casually deriding them as far right fascist popular populists and bigots while struggling to hide their thinly disguised contempt towards these perceived dissenters they show very little if any serious interest in evidence or arguments that run counter to their own dogmatic and rigid worldview reflected in how their podcasts and shows usually only

feature guests who reinforce rather than challenge their views and deep down I suspect this is Matt Goodwin's words that many of them think that society would just be better off if all of those irritating and ignorant conservative Brexit voters and Trump voters would just shut up and accept that inferior to this morally righteous, enlightened group. But what's interesting is that James O'Brien certainly isn't coping at the moment because he's got everything that he thought he wanted in this Labour government. But actually, they're already letting him down and he doesn't know how to deal with it. So Mike Graham, his talk TV rival, posted on X earlier this week that people are now seriously asking whether James O'Brien is actually having a breakdown. The former Tory mayoral candidate, Susan Hall, she agreed, adding, James O'Brien has lost the plot a long time ago. He has never coped with Brexit and he drones on and on.

According to people that have lost those hours listening to him, at some point LBC may take a view and just have less biased people on. So I've been gathering lots of evidence this week to actually work out what is going on with James O'Brien and Carol Vorderman too, because I think there is something very suspect in her departure from the station and it is very clear that Mr O'Brien is not coping psychologically watch this it's about what a no deal Brexit would mean and off it goes and here we are and I don't know how to talk about it anymore. It's the strangest thing. It's a bit like Tom Jones forgetting how to sing Delilah. I imagine that, I don't know, Shaking Stevens forgot the words to This Old House. I need a slightly more up-to-date reference. Imagine if Taylor Swift forgot the words to Shake It Off.

Or never, ever, ever, ever getting back what's after that. I'm never, ever... I don't know how to talk about it anymore, and I don't understand why. He also appeared to joke about an attempt on the life of Donald Trump. So if anyone wants to take a shot at Trump, maybe they should make it. Not literally, obviously.

Although on second thought, we're just coming up to noon. And then earlier this week, there was this as well. He can't turn around and say, be like Profumo. Squared. He can't turn around and accept the disgrace that he deserves any more than nigel

farage can they soiled the national bed and wes streeting says we all have to lie in it now after there was talk of him losing the plot earlier this week sparked by mike graham and my coverage on this show o'brien yesterday insisted he didn't need the help of a psychiatrist live on air. See, when I pay my tax, I'm confident, for now at least, at this stage in my life, that I'm probably not going to need psychiatric assessment on the NHS. But my God, I want the people who need it to get it. Why don't you? So why don't I what? Why don't you want people who need psychiatric help to get it?

I'm talking about the people. As you will know, James, it's a very naive view to suggest that there's people out there. All I ever hear is people who know someone who knows someone who doesn't need it. And then when I ask whether they've been assessed by professionals who know better than amateurs,

the answer is usually, yes, they have, but I'm still resentful of it. Back with my superstar panel, Myron Centil-Nathan and Christine Hamilton. Firstly, guys, and everyone watching, I'm really sorry to put you through that. I know it's difficult. Thank you, Dan. There is a reason behind it, though, because it is interesting, isn't it? A liberal authoritarian, that is what Matt Goodwin

has described James O'Brien as. But what do you make of what's actually going on with him at the moment, Christine? Because it's odd. Well, I have to say thanks to you, or frankly, no thanks to you. I have just had to watch more James O'Brien in the last five minutes than I have frankly ever watched or listened to in my life he's not on my spectrum I'm not interested in watching him I hear what he says from other people and you've only got to compare the photograph when he was speaking on the radio and you have you flashed up just a photograph of him he looks a completely different person to when you see him live I mean talk about deterioration I know time takes its toll. I'm well aware of that.

But he's not, he's a, I mean, I don't say it, but is he on something? Could he be on something? He's clearly lost the plot. And, well, he has. I have no idea whether he's taking something that's causing these hallucinations, that's all it is. And there's an air of moral superiority.

Maybe some odd natural remedies. I'm absolutely sorry. I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying, Christine. It's some odd natural remedies. It's the moral superiority that people like him and Vorderman, et cetera, et cetera, and the Labour government take over. I keep coming back to this same word, normal people, normal, ordinary, everyday people, like I regard myself as.

They seem to think that if you don't agree with them, they're right and you're wrong. There's no, which I don't know, a lot of people disagree with me, but I'm not saying I'm right and they're wrong. It's a difference of opinion. But honestly, I was horrified by those James O'Brien things. If I was LBC, I would take him off air straight away. He's a disgrace to the channel.

If that's what people are listening to, I'm astonished. They need to get a life, frankly. Myron, Central Nathan, just before you come in, well, it gets worse. So just before you come in, Myron, I want to go now to what James O'Brien had to say about Nigel Farage. So let me just set this up because Nigel Farage was in the studio being clear to Nick Ferrari that James O'Brien's rhetoric describing the incidents after the Southport massacre as the Farage riots had directly impacted his security threat level. That he was directly under significant threat because of what James O'Brien was saying on air.

Now, that was a moment for James O'Brien to pull back a little bit and think, hey, I might disagree with Nigel Farage, but I don't want something to happen to him. Do you know what he did? Well, it was disgusting. Watch this and I'll get you to react. Who ever had violent race riots named after you or indeed been accused by the head of the Met of emboldening the racist thugs responsible? Has your vile and ignorant rhetoric ever helped instigate attempts to burn people alive in their beds? Have you ever cited a self-described misogynist facing rape and people trafficking charges in Romania as a trustworthy news source for events in the UK?

Or described yourself as part of a similar phenomenon to him? Have you ever helped a convicted woman- beater get elected to the UK parliament? And have any newly elected MPs spent more time in America getting binned off by Donald Trump than they have in their own constituency? And what would you call someone who answers yes to all those questions? So, Myron, he doesn't seem to give a damn about the safety of Nigel Farage, does he? No, I mean, I've been with Nigel Farage does he? No I mean I've been with Nigel Farage even at the conference you can see the security he's under it's crazy he has like three huge guys just walking around constantly on surveillance anyone who's a kind of vaguely strange face they're on them straight away he has to live like that and the people with James O'Brien what he radio show, his monologues especially, are just kind of a pseudo soul

searching monologues that appear very sincere and very poetic. But it's just a facade. He's a bully. He's frankly just a bully. He picks on people, often callers, who don't know very much, but have a genuine, sincere grievance. And he just tries to destroy them for clicks and likes. And he's actually a coward. Nigel Farage has come back out of sort of retirement, out of his, you know, cushy, cozy life. He's now had to get increased bodyguards because of people like James O'Brien to fight a case to get this country back.

That is true heroic politics. That is true heroic activism. That is true heroic activism. James O'Brien sits behind a microphone and he just basically just hashtag Nigel Farage riots and just gives off ad hominem attacks and picks on random people from the public to make himself look good. And yet he's a compassionate one. He's just a bully. That's all. Nothing else. Very good point, actually. And he doesn't like it, by the way, when his callers challenge him. And I want to show you this moment where you can actually see him referring to his producers or trying to signal to his producers. If you watch this carefully, you'll see him saying turn the person down because the caller is challenging him too much which shows that he's not just a bully myron

but he's also gutless watch this mate i thought you were here to tell me the toxicity had diminished yeah i have you're sounding well toxic mate Because you won't allow me to get to... No, I won't allow you to avoid the question. I won't allow you to avoid the question. No, you won't allow me to speak. You do this all the time. No, I don't. I insist that people answer the question.

Are you going to answer the question? Are you going to answer the question? I've answered the question. And now I'm asking you to move on. The CBI, sponsored by Pricewaterhouse, and you repeated this, after it said that unemployment would reach... I think we can all agree I'm never going to be Emily Maitland. Did you see that, Christine?

He goes like that. He doesn't believe in free speech at all. He doesn't like anyone who actually takes him on and beats him. Having watched now twice as much O'Brien as I ever wanted to watch, I find it astonishing that people want to listen to that. As Mayan said, he's he's a bully. He's a coward. He incites violence against other people I mean why is he kept on air I mean if he was on something like GB News Ofcom would have got rid of him wouldn't they so why is LBC

keeping him on I just I simply don't understand I can't see the appeal of him Ofcom came for me let's remember for laughing at a joke and they allow this type of behaviour to go on every day because James O'Brien is part of the establishment.

Oh, it's St. James. Of course it is. And did I not hear him a few minutes ago, the first clip you played, calling for Trump, somebody to take a pot shot at Trump. He did then say only joking, but I'm sorry. That's like... Yeah, but then he said...

Joe Bass saying throw acid at Farage. He did then say only joking, but I'm sorry. That's like. Yeah, but then he said that on second thought. Saying throw acid at Farage. I mean, it's just appalling. Not people talk about two tier policing. This is two tier offcoming. What people get away with. But I'm very interested to know what you think about Carol Vorderman leaving the station, because I don't believe what she's saying because this week for example she's out and about recording have I got news for you loving the fact that she's back on the BBC and posting all of the pictures that she loves on social media but earlier this week she claims and what's interesting about this and Christine you all know about this being a media woman uh it's coming up to contract renewal time and all of a sudden she announced that oh she just

can't work seven days a week have a look but my family have given me a good talking to serve my friends and have said no more seven day working weeks so uh very very sadly a dweud, nid mwy na ddwy ddiwrnod gweithio am ddwy ddiwrnod. Felly, yn anffodus iawn, roedd rhywbeth yn rhaid i mi fynd i mewn. Rwy'n ddiolch iawn am hynny, ond rwy wedi gwneud fy ngwleidyddion dyddion ar LBC. Mae'n ddewis anodd iawn i mi ddod i'r cwrs, ond doeddwn i ddim yn gallu gweld unrhyw beth arall y gallwn i wneud. Dyna'r gwirionedd. Felly, rydw i'n parhau i fod yn rhan o'r teulu LBC ac rydw i'n dod i mewn o amser i amser. Ond rydw i eisiau ddi i mewn o amser i amser.

Ond rwy'n hoffi ddiolch i chi am yr holl cefnogaeth rydych chi wedi'i ddysgu dros y flwyddyn diwethaf. Mae wedi bod yn wych, mae'r rhaglenni a phopeth wedi bod yn wych. Felly diolch yn fawr iawn. Mae'n un o'r pethau hynny. And I'm very sad about it, but I shall be continuing to make mischief, but just not seven days a week in future. Christine Hamilton, do you believe her? Look, I have no idea. I don't. I'm not a media junkie like you. I never listened to James. Oh, you are, Christine. You've you've been in this world for so long. Yes, but I I'm a little choosy and I don't I don't watch her on Twitter.

I don't listen to her. I know what she says. She can't stand me because I've seen a few things that she's, I mean, why would I want to watch pictures of her like that? I mean, you know, that's funny. Now, Neil and I do that. That's Harry Worth. Those who don't know what I'm talking about, anybody under the age of whatever probably says, oh, who's Harry Worth? But that business, but Harry Worth did it with a mirror and a glass. That's the whole point. You see, I bet I've lost half your audience now. Google Harry Worth and the leg and arm trick. I can't do it because I need a mirror. Anyway, that's what she was doing.

She did it very badly. I couldn't give a damn about Carol Borderman. She's drunk on her own power and she can't, obviously she can't bear the thought that she's going to lose all those listeners or viewers, both. Nobody works seven days a week, for heaven's sake. It's absurd. You don't have to. She's got plenty of money.

She doesn't need to. She just needs to feel that she's needed and wanted and everybody wants her views. Well, I don't. Thank you very much. I didn't even know she was on LBC every Sunday. If you'd asked me an exam question, when does Carol Vorderman appear on LBC? My question would have been, I didn't know she was on LBC every Sunday. If you'd asked me on an exam question, when does Carol Vorderman appear on LBC? My question would have been, I didn't know she did. Myron, what do you make of Vorderman, who has actually sort of ruined what was quite a good legacy, actually, because

do you remember, she used to always hang out with the Tories. She loved being around David Cameron, loved being around Boris Johnson, loved being around Matt Hancock. I used to work with her and she was completely fine. But she has now sort of taken on this extreme positioning where she's so vile to anyone who doesn't sign up to her far left political ideology, including me. I think she spent such a long time going full throttle for Labour, and now the Labour government have gone in power. She now has to face the music. She's climbed the mountain, put the flag on the mountaintop,

and found there's really nothing there. And look, I don't have the little birds telling me what's going on behind the scenes like you do, Dan. But I would say if I had an LBC show on a Sunday that was doing well in the ratings and I cared about this country and I had an opinion about where I wanted it to go, I would not give it up. I would not give it up. And given that she went so hard and she apparently cares so much, I find it strange that she would give up that Sunday show just like that. That's the only thing I

would say on this thing but I think I'm sure you know more than me dad yeah I I think you're on to something put it that way Myron I think you're on to something but look Myron said to Nathan Christine you're suggesting that she's been pushed what I'm suggesting is that is that is that once it gets up to contract renewal time so for people who don't know how this works lbc give out annual contracts year-long contracts and when it comes up to contract renewal time sometimes there will be an artful conversation where they say look you know we're probably not going to give you a contract next year but you know maybe this is the time that you want to leave maybe you want to spend more time with your family maybe you want to concentrate on your health a bit more and if

you want to release a statement saying that you know we'll be absolutely fine with that now sometimes folk don't buy into that you remember Sangeeta Miska who was another one of those hard left people who LBC got rid of she she wouldn't play that game. She was got rid of and she wouldn't sign up to the, oh, you know. So yeah, I think Vorderman has become too extreme, even for LBC. I describe LBC as the Labour Broadcasting Company, but she has gone so to the hard left. She parrots mistruths from organisations like Byline times all the time that i think even for lbc she was too much of a risk so yes that is what i'm applying uh implying but look do stand by christine hamilton myron sent all nathan because in just one minute as sharon osborne admits failing

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She posted on Instagram, Liam, my heart aches. We all let you down. Where was this industry when you needed them? You were just a kid when you entered one of the toughest industries in the world. Who was in your corner? Rest in peace, my friend. And there is growing criticism of what I believe is an evil music industry that abuses young children and teenagers because I've seen this close up. I've seen what happened to Justin Bieber. I've seen what happened to Britney Spears through my previous job working in entertainment. And you've got a whole load of adults who are profiting from these children. And actually, I believe that there now need to be some rules in place so that unless you're 18 years old, you cannot sign a record contract katie way soul who was a contestant on the same series

of x factor as liam pain and the boys from one direction has been highly critical of the process and simon cowell this is what she told gb news earlier i think that something went wrong at the very beginning. And we've seen this system the question, had we have all been given the right mental health support and welfare checks and so on and so forth at the very beginning, perhaps we then had the resources and tools to navigate the future and to kind of digest it in a bit of a different way. I do also believe that, you know, as much as when you go to work and you're an employee, the company or the HR department has a duty of care, both legal and moral. And so why should that be any different when it comes to artists and record labels?

That is the problem. Because I knew Liam Payne. He was a great guy and he was a great kid. You know, he was 16 years old when I first met him backstage at the X Factor. But no 16-year-old brain can cope with what international superstardom does to you, let alone when you start pumping your bodies with alcohol and illegal drugs, which is offered up on a platter to these kids. And they find it difficult to say no. We've seen so many examples of that, especially when they're up on stage every night. And it really plays with your mind and plays with your head. Now, of course, I admit I was part of this system, wasn't I? I was

traveling the world with these guys. I was writing about them, but critically, I never made any money from them. And I think, and let me bring my superstar panel in on this, Christine Hamilton and Myron Centel Nathan. I think this is where some of the criticism comes from Christine Hamilton of, for example example the record company executives the television executives who are all getting very very rich off the back of these young kids but what happens 10 years on when they're addicted to drugs and unable to cope because their mind has not matured and you only have to look at America and see what's happened to Justin Bieber with lots of rumors to do with P. Diddy look at America and see what's happened to Justin Bieber

with lots of rumors to do with P. Diddy at the moment to see what's happened to Britney Spears to see what's happened to Lindsay Lohan I mean I know all three of those kids and they're great people but they are unable to cope with what fame throws at them because of the age they got famous that's what it's about so do do you agree with me, Christine? Actually, only adults, only 18-year-olds should be able to sign these big contracts. I mean, that's young enough, surely. Truck Month is on at Chevrolet.

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i do agree with you. It's not a world I know a great deal about, and I couldn't have named, apart from Harry Styles, I do know about him, I couldn't have named any of the One Direction. So it's not my world. But yes, the word here is kid, child. And that is all that Liam was when this first started.

And it's impossible to amount for normal people back I go again to normal people it's impossible for us to imagine what it's like when you're that age to suddenly be worldwide fame supersonic stardom you know everybody wanting a bit of you unable to lead a normal life uh And it's bound to go to your head. And unless there is some serious adult guidance, making sure that you don't take a wrong turning. I mean, you know, I don't know what percentage of these young youngsters, people who start at the age of 14, 15, being discovered in the way that One Direction was put together. I don't know what percentage go on to abuse drugs, not to mention drink.

So I don't know how big a problem it is, but it's a huge problem in the industry generally. And we are talking about children. I mean, if it was in any other industry and children were treated in that way and not monitored properly there'd be an outrage but somehow because it's the pop weather picture you flashed up now simon cowell looking very smug making millions off the back of these people um i i noticed he has slightly slunk into the background at the moment and looking rather sheepish about it all i mean it's a tragic

tragic it's a sort of shakespearean tragedy what's happened to this this this kid he's still only a kid for heaven's sake he's got a child now and goodness knows what uh but yes a lot more responsibility has to be taken by the adults around them and they need to take much more seriously the potential for going off the rails in such a major way and the pictures of his hotel room the night before he died and the stories in the press about what that last night entailed are frankly horrific. Absolutely horrific.

And the problem is he didn't have anyone around him at that point. They'd all walked away. His management had walked away. His PR company had walked away. Because they don't want to be responsible when it gets bad. And I've seen this so many times in showbiz. They are there when the times are good. And when the times are bad, they walk away.

But it is interesting that you just mentioned Simon Cowell. Because he cancelled Britain's Got Talent auditions. Because he was so heartbroken by what happened. But breaking right now, Simon Cowell has just broken his silence with an essay on Liam Payne. I think it's important I read some of this to you and then I'll get you to react, Myron.

But Simon Cowell says, you never really know how you feel about someone until a moment like this happens. Liam, I am devastated, heartbroken, and I feel empty. And I want you to know how much love and respect I have for you. Every tear I have shed is a memory of you. This is so difficult to put into words right now. I went outside today and I thought about so many times we had together. I wanted to let you know what I would always say to the thousands of people who would always ask me, what is Liam like? And I would tell them you were kind, funny, sweet, thoughtful, talented,

humble, focused, and how much love you genuinely had for the fans. I had to tell you when you were 14 that this wasn't your time and we both made a promise that we would meet again a lot of people would have given up you didn't you came back and within within months the whole world knew Liam and he says that he was proud to be a dad and that he has met his son there and that he thought the five members of the band were like brothers so Simon has clearly thought very very hard about what he's going to write and it is difficult for him Myron because obviously a lot of people rush to blame in these situations and I was at X Factor that year it was so exciting you know 20 million people were watching the show Everyone cared about it to such a great degree. And personally, I never think you can blame any individual.

I mean, people have tried to blame me for the deaths of people. That's so wrong. But I think we have to smash the child star system to avoid these tragedies in the future. Yeah, if not regulation, then at least massive conversation and massive education, at least at an organic level. One of the two must be implemented because when you're that age, your psychological core is not formed. It's not set. And if you're treated like a commodity, which is effectively what happened, you become a commodity and you become effectively

dehumanized in some way. Dance here, sing there, smile there, turn up to this, turn up to that. And what happens is you become vacuous and empty inside. And that's where the dysfunctionality, addiction starts to creep in to fill that void. And then you had him on one one podcast i think logan paul where he was he said he was trying to stay relevant because obviously his fame was maybe taking a little bit of a nosedive potentially and he was criticizing other band members he felt sorry he apologized but you see the turmoil he was going through and i go back to johnny wilkinson who highlighted this after he won the world Cup, the Rugby World Cup. He said, well, he went into straight into depression.

And this is the thing, what happens when the success ends and you're only you started this whole journey when you're so young, you don't know who you are, you don't know how to live life, you don't know how to form relationships or how to find meaning and purpose. You need tremendous support. And I think these things need to be highlighted, if not through regulation, ideally through education and conversation like this. Absolutely. And the thing is, Liam Payne was a great kid, but he was an addict. And when you're an addict, there has to be some responsibility from those people around you to sometimes say stop we're not going to put you on stage tonight we're going to let you take a break yes it's going to cost us millions of

dollars but your life is more important and they didn't do that that's the issue that I have I mean I remember speaking to Liam I think it think it's worth me sharing this quote, actually. I remember speaking to him. This is about probably a year or two after One Direction had gone on a break and he was in belfast and he said to me i shouldn't have been able to do as many shows as we did if i'm honest about it if i'm brutally honest about it going out and putting that happy smile on my face and singing the songs honestly sometimes it was like putting on one of those costumes going out there and underneath the costume people don't really see what's going on and christine uh mikey graham who you may not have heard of either, but he's a member of Boyzone. You know Boyzone, great band with Ronan Keating.

And they had a member who died as well, Stephen Gately, which was a real tragedy. And in the hour after Liam's death was announced, he actually posted to say, I think it would be a wise move for record companies to have psychologists on their books from now on. In his memory, as a duty of care for the vulnerability of their young talent, fame can be very damaging, especially in today's world. Lots of money, nobody to help, lots of yes people, nobody honest. And I think we should listen to Mikey Graham.

He's been there. He's been a member of this band. He got through. And it was interesting, actually, Christine, because this is all my old life, you know, when I was the editor of the Bizarre Column at the Sun, I had a lot of boy band members get in touch with me after Liam's death. And they were heartbroken but also I think some of them knew how close they came to the same situation so surely given they're making

all of these millions out of these guys it wouldn't be too much to ask would it for the record companies to put on the right sort of duty of care? Absolutely not. There ought to be somebody. In some court cases when there's a vicious divorce going on, there's a lawyer appointed whose sole interest is the child or the children. They have no interest in the husband, the wife, the rights, the wrongs. The child is their sole focus. And we're talking about children.

There should be somebody who has no financial interest whatsoever in this group or that group, this person doing well, but their sole interest is the well-being of that young person. And that is clearly not happening. I mean, that was actually heartbreaking, that quote you read about what Liam said about taking behind the costume, that quote. And it's the sadness of a clown. He's just made to perform like a performing animal, frankly.

And that is what one feels that a lot of these record companies regard these youngsters as. They're just money machines, frankly. And they clearly don't have enough regard for their wellbeing. All these tragedies wouldn't happen. I know some people are destined to have some terrible drug tragedy death, but it can be stopped if there's somebody there. Totally, because I'm sorry, if you look at the ratio of superstars in the music industry who have died from these types of incidents it's so much higher

than in any industry you know amy winehouse cabane there's just you know there's a list there's a listing of these examples and i i think you're you're so right about the money machine because remember when liam for example didn't go on stage that night and he only did it once that would have cost millions of pounds because you've got promoters you've got insurance companies and you've literally also got you know a hundred thousand people have bought tickets so the pressure that that puts on the shoulders of a young human being, not to mention the fact that the bandmates as well don't want to go on stage. So, look, I think it's important not to cast blame. But the reason that I've wanted to talk about it this week is I was there.

I saw what happened. from very happy young kids to very unhappy, traumatized individuals who actually for a period didn't even like each other because they were like zoo animals. And actually, I think the most important message is if you're a parent, do not let your child audition for one of these shows or sign up to a record label when they're 14, 15, 16. Sure, go and do all of the teaching, go and do the classes and that sort of thing, but don't sign the deal until they are an adult. Let them be a child. If they're talented enough,

look at lots of pop stars, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, you know, they do it as adults. You don't have to be 12 years old and sign in a record deal to go and become a big star. But look, I think the key point, Dan, is that money corrupts and it can corrupt at every level. It can corrupt a psychologist. It can even corrupt your own parents. And so to find someone who's independent and can really care for that individual without that corruption and that pressure that's the key yep totally is talking about parents that just is a nice little segue into um taylor swift's mother who is so so concerned about her daughter's safety that she has to have a blue light escort to wherever it was or whatever. She's a momager.

She's a momager, isn't she? But, but Christine, maybe it's Taylor Swift. Because remember, I also toured with Taylor Swift and her mom was always there, right? She ruled that operation with an iron fist. But maybe that's what kept taylor swift on the straight and narrow because actually a manager would probably say oh no fine we'll go to the concert without a blue light escort taylor swift's mom saying to the prime minister unless you give her this escort we ain't coming to the country and i i don't agree with her getting the

blue light escort that's not the point i think the point is actually your parents are probably the only people in that industry who really care about you because your life is much more important than the millions and i think taylor with her parents she's always had her mom there she's always had her dad there interesting isn't it um very very interesting but look what a fabulous superstar panel for a Friday. Myron Sentil. Nathan, always love having you. And Christine Hamilton, you're sticking around because on our after show,

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