Dan Wootton Outspoken - DEFIANT NIGEL FARAGE HITS BACK & REVEALS REFORM UK CANDIDATES NOW BEING AXED FOR SWEARING

Episode Date: April 1, 2025

Go to https://ground.news/outspoken to see through media bias and stay fully informed. Subscribe through my link for 40% off unlimited access this month. Nigel Farage has hit back at critics of Refor...m UK’s new policies cutting out party loyalists, admitting he is now rejecting candidates for historic posts on X that contain swear words. Meanwhile, in Broken Britain we are living in fantasy land with Slippery Starmer making policy based on a fictitious Netflix series where the ethnicity of the main character teenage boy murderer was changed from black to white. Dan will reveal all the madness in his Digest before analysis from his Superstar Panel: Alex Phillips and Rafe Heydel-Mankoo. PLUS: Gary Stevens – the multimillionaire trader turned hard left tax the rich economist who is now a favourite across the MSM – has been accused of telling “outlandish” lies about his past by his former colleagues. AND: Prince Harry has been cast aside by one of his former allies and friends who appeared in his Netflix series and thrown under a bus by the other as the Sentable charity racism, harassment and bullying scandal gets worse by the hour. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Piers Morgan speaks out about how he caused a major new royal row between Prince Harry and Meghan Markle, and Princess Eugenie, as Sussex divorce rumours grow. Our royal mastermind Angela Levin will be here. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:42 I've got to start today, by the way, with an apology to those of you who may have been sucked in by my April Fool's Day joke earlier, which actually went a little bit better than I was expecting. I guess it shows the madness of Britain today, however, that so many high profile folk actually believed it when I posted on X. This is absolutely insane. Sadiq Khan's TFL is planning to permanently change the name of London's White Chapel station simply to Chapel after a council funded report claimed the existing designation reinforces racial Maybe it is only a matter of time. But we were thinking, and I know it's after midday, so I'm telling you that these aren't true, but my team did come up with some other fun examples for this show. We thought, how could we trick you, Elon Musk, becoming a UK citizen? Megan, sitting down with me for a shock new podcast. I thought that was very good. And Starmer, identifying as the greatest PM ever. And of course, that would have to be, as the left call it, a self-ID. But now onto the real news this April Fool's Day,
Starting point is 00:01:59 and Nigel Farage has hit back at critics of Reform UK's new policies, cutting out party loyalists, admitting he is now rejecting candidates for historic posts on X that contain swear words. And we go back through their social media history and find that they repeatedly use swear words. Well, we just can't have that. Or they express opinions that, frankly, either are or could be interpreted as being extreme or deeply prejudiced. So, yes, we have set a very high standard. And yes, there are some people out there who are unhappy that they've not passed vetting. Meanwhile, in broken Britain, we are living in fantasy land with Slippery Starmer making policy based on a fictitious Netflix series where the ethnicity of the main character teenage boy was changed from black to white. Morning.
Starting point is 00:02:57 Morning. Thank you very much for being here. In a minute, we're going to bring the media in. But before we do, I just wanted to say, let's start talking about this. I'll bring you all the madness in my digest next. I'm so excited about today's superstar panel. What a dream team. Alex Phillips of the That's What She Said sub stack.
Starting point is 00:03:23 And Rafe Hadle-Mancou, senior fellow at the New Culture Forum, historian, royal commentator, so much more, both with us today. And also coming up on the show, Gary Stevens, the multi-millionaire trader turned hard left tax, the rich economist who is now a favourite across the MSM, has been accused of telling outlandish lies about his past by his former colleagues. We'll get into that. Prince Harry has been cast aside by one of his former allies and friends. He's also at the same time been thrown under the bus by another ally as the Centre Bali charity racism, harassment and bullying scandal just gets worse by the hour. And as Prince Andrew's accuser, Virginia Dufresne's credibility about to be forever smashed.
Starting point is 00:04:13 This is a completely bizarre story. I'll take you right through it. Then in the uncancelled after show on Substack, Piers Morgan speaks out about how he caused a major new royal row between Prince Harry, Meghan Markle and Princess Eugenie as the Sussex divorce rumours grow. Our Royal Mastermind, Angela Levin, will be on deck for that at www.outspoken.live. You can register completely for free to join the outspoken revolution. Also at the end of the show today, we'll reveal today's Greatest Britain and Union jackass. You, of course, choose the Union jackass. You can vote right now on the live chat on YouTube. But here are the nominees. James O'Brien, nominated by Alan for saying it's unthinkable that Kemi Badenoch hasn't watched the fictional Netflix drama Adolescence. We're going to come to that in just a moment. Mike Tapp, nominated by Tom John 1975 for humiliating himself after
Starting point is 00:05:11 misleading comments about Nigel Farage, Tapp tweeted a picture of a front page saying, the media are catching on that Reform UK posed a risk to hardworking people and the precious NHS. However, what TAP presented as media coverage was actually a paid party political advertisement by Labour. And nominee three, Christopher Hope of GB News, nominated by At White Horse, and that is for not covering the Rupert Lowe fundraiser. It's at well over £400,000 now for the rape gang inquiry. Just incredible. We'll announce the Greatest Britain at the end of the show too. Let me know your comments. I love reading them out. I will pick the best at the end of the show. But now, let's go. We are truly being governed by a clown. Yep, he's evil, he's deranged, he's duplicitous, but he's also a goddamn clown. And that is a toxic combination. Because yesterday,
Starting point is 00:06:16 Slippery Starmer took time out from a day which should be filled trying to turn around the dying economy, trying to stop the invasion of the southern border, trying to save free speech. He took time out from all of that to host a meeting about a fictitious Netflix drama, not anchored in any form of reality. Indeed, this show called Adolescence, which, by the way, I liked and I watched, I thought it was very, very good, but that's not the point because it's a fantasy. So much of a fantasy that the main character was based on this guy, 17-year-old black coin and teenager Hassan Sentamu, who stabbed the 15-year-old Eliane Andam to death over a teddy bear. But to make the show respectable or acceptable to woke Hollywood,
Starting point is 00:07:09 the main character was switched to that kid. A young working class lad who, yes, is white and from Liverpool. Yet the left have decided this drama represents all the ills in British society. Not the out-of-control Islamist terror threat, not the shocking hikered knife crime amongst black youngsters. Because of course, it's so much easier to discuss young white boys, right, who have been influenced by Andrew Tate. And that idiot Starmer even described the show as a documentary in parliament and then he posted yesterday on x as a father watching adolescence with my teenage son and daughter hit home hard we all need to be having these conversations more i've backed netflix's plan to show the series for free in schools across
Starting point is 00:07:57 the country so as many young people as possible can see it and then it got worse folks because our prime minister spent time awkwardly, and trust me, I'm not exaggerating, it is awkward, it is wooden, filming a social media clip, but he did so in the style of the Netflix show, because the whole thing about adolescence is it's filmed in one take. So Starmer thought it would be clever to do the same thing. Watch. Hello. Nice to see you. How are you? Good to see you again. Thank you for having us. Very good. You know what it's like on the inside. Most people don't. They still think it's going to be small and then it's always much bigger. But come on in. I'm looking forward to it. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:08:44 Beautiful day as well really incredible yeah yeah thanks for having us no it's great come on in we've got a big crowd coming in we have we have and so this is the sort of famous just behind the door we've got the portrait of the queen i mean how is this real how is this real? How is this real? But it went on. Watch. Morning. Morning. Thank you very much for being here. In a minute, we're going to bring the media in.
Starting point is 00:09:35 But before we do, I just wanted to say, let's start talking about this. Now, thank God, I'm not the only one thinking we have quite literally gone mad. Matt Goodwin posted, My friend Neil Oliver added, fiction about a white boy provoking a response while real world daily bloodshed and horror in Britain is swept under the carpet. We see you. And what about the woman who knows this stuff best, Britain's toughest head teacher, Catherine Burblesingh, who couldn't hide her disdain, writing to Starmer, you find adolescence shocking because you aren't in kids' online worlds. Kids already know this is happening. Getting kids to watch adolescence will make zero difference. What you need to do as PM is ban phones to under-16s. But he won't, because the media play along with his clown world,
Starting point is 00:10:48 with Nick Ferrari this morning on the Labour Broadcasting Company actually haranguing the Tory leader, Kimi Bédenocht, for not having watched a bloody TV drama. Save me. Heard from the Prime Minister yesterday that he's watched that TV, the Netflix series, Adolescence. What have you learned from that, Mrs. Badenoch? Well, I haven't watched it. I don't have time to watch anything these days, to be honest. But I have read about it. The Prime Minister had time to watch it, Mrs. Badenoch.
Starting point is 00:11:13 Yes, well, they have. And so what I understand is that this is a fictional representation of a story that is actually quite different. And I think it's an interesting story. It certainly touches on some of the things that are happening in the world today. But it is not the biggest thing that is happening in the world today in terms of what is happening to people being radicalised on social media. But many would say for a leading politician such as yourself
Starting point is 00:11:41 not to be in tune with what a lot of people are talking about, that's almost a dereliction of duty, some would suggest and not least as you have a child approaching their teens yes yes i do so i pay attention but i'm not going to watch every single thing that everybody's watching on netflix i do know what they're watching and i know what it's about uh and i've given a view that it is a work of fiction that is interesting that touches on a problem in society but there are bigger problems such as Islamic terrorism and that kind of radicalisation. And trust me, Britain is in real trouble.
Starting point is 00:12:13 We have no time for this sort of clown world where the Prime Minister is making policy based on a Netflix drama. Look what's going on. Just overnight, the US has put any hopes of a trade deal at risk because of this country's insane decision to walk away from a commitment to free speech. The State Department has expressed, and this is really significant, public horror at the shocking case of Livia Tseki Bolt, who is being prosecuted for holding a sign near a Bournemouth abortion clinic reading, here to talk, if you want. That's all her sign said. This official statement from the State
Starting point is 00:12:51 Department said US-UK relations share a mutual respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. However, as Vice President Vance has said, we are concerned about freedom of expression in the United Kingdom. It is important that the UK respect and protect freedom of expression in the United Kingdom. It is important that the UK respect and protect freedom of expression. And a source familiar with the trade negotiations actually told the Daily Telegraph there should be no free trade without free speech. But a Whitehall source, so as in one of Labour's goons, sought to downplay the significance of free speech to trade talks, telling the Telegraph, we know it is something they have a bugbear about. We are happy to have discussions on our own broader, wide-ranging relationship. Now that makes me furious. A bugbear? Free speech isn't a goddamn
Starting point is 00:13:38 bugbear. It's fundamental to everything. So I am just completely disgusted at what we have become in such a short space of time as a country and how normalized this madness is. Nigel Farage has spoken out on this today, revealing he believes the government has now blown it with the US administration. You know, J.D. Vance was right, wasn't he? All I want to say is this. This is a tremendous wasted opportunity. We had a free trade deal with America on the table in 2017. Trump wanted to do a deal with us. He told me that himself.
Starting point is 00:14:21 But, of course, under the Conservatives, despite the Brexit vote, it took us years and years and years to leave the European Union. We missed the opportunity. And I'm afraid these tariffs are going to hurt. So I'm very unhappy at this squandered opportunity. Quite what the extent and Marco Rubio as well, of course, is being quoted in this, quite what the extent of unless you have free speech, you can't have free trade is. I don't think any of us quite know what's going on right now behind the scenes,
Starting point is 00:14:51 but I think we're really rather blown in it with America, I'm afraid. And good Lord, I mean, it's because Farage understands that and those types of issues, which is why for so long I believe Reform UK was our great hope. But I'm not going to lie, that has been rocked by the Rupert Lowe scandal of the past month
Starting point is 00:15:10 and Farage's comments during that interview with Mike Graham this morning didn't help from my point of view because, and I know lots of you are going to be concerned about this, he admitted that under Zia Youssef's reform plans of Reform UK, the party is now rejecting candidates. And, you know, I've reported a lot about what people have been rejected for, like a woman who was rejected for the fact that she had a shoplifting conviction when she was 16 years old. Now a highly successful business person. She can't stand but nigel actually admitted this morning in a way that made it clear he was proud of this that candidates are now being rejected for historic posts on x that contain swear words before we've had a bit of a rocky few weeks haven't they um with with with the
Starting point is 00:15:59 departure of rupert low i've been asked by a few people to ask you a question about the way that some local reform groups have been treated. Some people are saying that they joined reform in various different parts of the country, but the professionalism or the professionalisation has meant that a lot of people have either stepped down as chairman
Starting point is 00:16:19 of local groups or they've been asked to step down. I mean, is there a problem in local groups of reform? The problem is that we are vetting people to a much higher standard than the other political parties. And we're doing that because we ourselves will be held to a higher standard than everybody else because we're the challengers against the establishment. So, for example, you know, we have somebody who's a candidate
Starting point is 00:16:42 and we go back through their social media history and find that they repeatedly use swear words. Well, we just can't have that. Or they express opinions that, frankly, either are or could be interpreted as being extreme or deeply prejudiced. So, yes, we have set a very high standard. And yes, there are some people out there who are unhappy that they've not passed vetting. But, you know, after the disaster that we had with some of those unvetted candidates at the last general election, you know, I made a pledge that I would professionalize the policy. And, you know, there are some people that don't like it. But generally, look, you know, last year in the local elections, reform fielded candidates in 12% of seats. On May the 1st, we will be at or down close to 100%. We've set up 400 branches. You know, we are professionalising it and it does come with a certain ruthlessness.
Starting point is 00:17:35 Sure. What does my superstar panel think? Let me bring them in now. Alex Phillips and Rafe Hadleman-Kuh. So good to have you both here, but can we start, please, with what went on at Downing Street in regards to this Netflix drama, Adolescence. Look, Alex Phillips, I think it's a really good drama, okay? But it is a drama. The main character's ethnicity has been changed I have literally seen quotes from one of the creators and writers admitting that why is this government
Starting point is 00:18:15 treating it as if it is a documentary it's absolutely insane I mean that the hyperbole surrounding what is a pretty average drama I've've watched it, it was okay, find it pretty boring in places, is utterly ridiculous. But it's serving as a distraction technique. It's there because people find it very safe to criticise men, criticise boys, criticise teenage boys, and especially if they're white do that. They get to sort of shower themselves with moral rectitude and be seen to be being assertive when it comes to social issues without actually having to go anywhere near the really hot potatoes, which is things such as knife crime, which is largely perpetrated by young black men, which is things such as the misogyny, which is endemic within the Muslim community. I mean, it's so much easier, isn't it, to go, oh, look, there's these young guys who are following Andrew Tate online and they're becoming incels and they're stabbing girls. This isn't happening every day. You know, the way that there's been this furore over this drama, you would think that there's a murder of a young girl every day at the hands of a teenage boy who likes Andrew Tate. It's for the birds. It's utter madness. And yet we're not having a
Starting point is 00:19:22 conversation, are we we about other things that are utterly critical if they wanted to protect young people they would have acted a lot faster and uh you know with a lot more sort of assertiveness when it comes to pornography and the extremes of pornography that is getting into young people's hands they've done nothing about that they've tinkered around the edges they could could have easily just said, we're going to pull the plug on user generated porn websites because they're pumping out content that is very harmful to young people. You know, it's gesture politics. And not only is it gesture politics, it is, you know, typically in line with the tropes and the safety of things that they feel they can talk about, which gets them off the hook of not talking about the things we need them to talk about. So true. And Rafe, isn't this actually quite a dangerous psyop though, given
Starting point is 00:20:11 that now it is going to be played in schools and the clear message is, if you are a young white boy, you are responsible for the evils in Britain today yeah I mean you can absolutely imagine you know the scenes in the classroom after one of these episodes finishes you're going to have all these white boys feeling guilty and ashamed you'll have the girls sort of sneering at them and despising them for misogyny and epitomizing everything that's bad about white male privilege and you'll probably have the ethnic minority boys thinking, well, none of this applies to us, actually, so we can just sit back and ignore all of this. It's deeply insidious stuff. Of course, it's just the latest example of what we've seen for the last few years, where every time that the government or the police
Starting point is 00:21:00 or indeed the mayor of London puts out one of these public awareness videos about misogyny or about sexual harassment, even about gang rape. They, of course, cast a white male as the as the villain in all of this. And, you know, it's very funny when every other program you watch on television, they manage to shoehorn ethnic minorities into every white role. The one time you actually would expect to see an ethnic minority, it's actually a white person performing that role. The reason, of course, is quite clear. It's because it fulfills the liberal metropolitan elite worldview. Whenever there's an attack or something,
Starting point is 00:21:34 it's always, of course, online content. That's the problem. And it's deflection. As Alex was just saying there, we know the real issues here are, of course, Islamic extremism and the huge amount of misogyny that exists amongst Britain's black and Asian communities. You know, Andrew Tate is always raised up by people who are criticising what's happening with
Starting point is 00:21:57 our youth today. You know, 80 odd percent of British male youth have heard of Andrew Tate. Only a quarter actually support him. And that quarter is overwhelmingly composed of people from our ethnic minority communities. No, very, very good point. And then, Alex Phillips, we have the whole issue of free speech coming back to haunt this government. Do you remember Starmer in his Oval Office meeting saying, oh, no, no, no, we absolutely have free speech, getting furious about the fact that J.D. Vance had raised it. But then there is the case of Livia Tocici-Bolt
Starting point is 00:22:36 being prosecuted for holding a sign near a Bournemouth abortion clinic, the sign simply read, here to talk if you want, and the State Department have gone on the record on this. So we don't have free speech now and it could be costing the country dear. Of course, we don't have free speech. And the thing is, it's not just about prosecutions, which are harrowing and ghoulish enough that we now live in a country with effectively a Stasi in operation. You know, the scenes of that producer from Times Radio having the police come and bang on his door because he had criticised the school in a WhatsApp group.
Starting point is 00:23:11 I mean, you can laugh at these things and say it's farcical. At the very least, it's a waste of police time. But the problem is we don't have free speech and we're all aware of it because every time we want to raise an issue, if we wanted to try and say, oh, guess what? Look, Andrew Tate actually converted to Islam.lam i wonder why probably because he loves a bit of misogyny i might be able to say that on your show i wouldn't dare say it on any other platform even though it's true i'm pretty sure what attracted him to that particular religion
Starting point is 00:23:37 is a very sort of firm patriarchal nature of it um but you can't say things like that and you don't know why you can't say them you just know you can't say things like that. And you don't know why you can't say them. You just know you can't say them. So even if the police haven't come and knocked on our doors, we do all live within prisons inside our mind. This isn't just about decency. This isn't just about kindness. This isn't just about being polite or being moderate in our views so as we don't incite any sort of hatred. This is about not even being able to raise topics, talk about issues that are now actively blighting society. And very often, more often than not, the people who end up as a victim of this are young women
Starting point is 00:24:15 because it's very often women's safety that is at risk when it comes to the attitudes of certain minority communities and we're not allowed to critic criticize them. So, you know, I have this great umbrage, frankly, I'm fed up with feeling like my safety and my integrity comes last, that it's okay to throw me under the bus in order to protect some other people from synthetic offense. I mean, am I, I'm a white person? Am I offended when someone says something about white people? No, I'm a grown up, I'm an adult. And yet what we're seeing increasingly in today's society is overt racism towards white people, whether it's the botched sentencing guidelines
Starting point is 00:24:55 that have now been postponed, you know, whether it's this case of free speech and that we can't criticize mass immigration or can't criticize the lack of integration in society. The fact that we're going to have rolled out an Islamophobia law and yet there's no protections against Christians. And clearly there's another woman concerned about abortion, probably a Christian, who finds herself arrested for her religious views. I mean, this is what we've become now in 2025. And it's deeply disturbing. It is deeply disturbing. I want to ask you, Rafe, about the comments that Nigel Farage made in regards to Reform UK and the vetting situation, which I've been doing quite a lot of reporting on. Now, I have real concerns about this. Obviously, there's been the big civil war going on. We've spoken about it a lot. But do you think it's sensible for Reform UK to say that if you have sworn a bit on your social media posts, that that means you're disqualified from standing as a
Starting point is 00:25:53 candidate? What about this 16-year-old, sorry, this businesswoman, very successful businesswoman now, who has been rejected because at 16 years old, she was convicted of shoplifting? Now, I would say, actually, isn't that just a brilliant story about how you can turn your life around? Yeah no on that point I think you're absolutely right and I think you would have to certainly look at each of these situations on a case by case basis. What degree of swearing are we talking about? I mean nobody wants a proper foul-mouthed MP in Parliament, you know, somebody who's incapable of completing a sentence without one expletive or another.
Starting point is 00:26:31 So you have to look at gradations, what words are being used in what context. And it's also a case, of course, how long ago this was. So certainly in the case of somebody who was arrested as a teenager, but has then become actually a role model and an example of how to turn one's life around, I would think that's just the sort of person you want to bring on board, particularly for reform. And I think there needs to be a lot of care taken here. It's understandable,
Starting point is 00:26:55 and I fully appreciate why there is a need to professionalise the Reform Party to make it ready for government. But it has to be quite clear that by doing so, it's not alienating its core membership. And there's a big battle here, as you say, a civil war going on about all of that. It needs to ensure that it is ready and fit to take office if that's the case. But it can't jettison not only candidates who've been loyal servants of the party for so many years, but also, of course, those policies that the core base of reform cleave to so very much you know i mean i'm firmly on the side of mass deportation of illegal immigrants even voluntary remigration of naturalized citizens uh those are the core issues
Starting point is 00:27:37 which i think the party was founded on and it must make sure that it doesn't deviate too much from that uh you know they're just lucky that robert jenrick isn't the hit the um leader of the opposition right now because if he was the leader of the opposition you would certainly be seeing uh you know reform perhaps not doing as well well he's becoming a political superstar actually and the problem is he might outflank nigel a little bit on the right uh alex richard b in the live chat wants me to ask a question of you but first i just want to show you just to prove that that it is real it has happened rupert lowe has raised 424 000 pounds for his rape gang inquiry from 13 000 supporters and richard b asked alex
Starting point is 00:28:23 please ask alex if of Rupert's supporters are still bots, as she suggested last week. Did bots raise £405,000 towards the grooming inquiry? You've got to admit this is impressive, right? At no point did I say all of Rupert Lowe's supporters were bots. I did say that there's been a swarm of bot activity. That's now been proven, actually. A report was commissioned into looking at the online activity surrounding this confected division within the party, and it showed a huge amount of bot activity. In fact, the company that was used, which is the company that audited X on behalf of Elon Musk before he bought it to scan for bots, said that they'd never seen such a big or sophisticated bot campaign.
Starting point is 00:29:04 I'm pretty sure that that report is soon going to be released. I've intimated on X myself that I'd spoken to industry insiders because I know a lot of people who work in the field of cyber intelligence, and I had, and they had told me that they'd seen a huge amount of bot activity. It's now been proven. The report's been done. It's in the hands of reform, so it's up to them to publish it. I didn't say that everyone who supports Rupert Lowe is a bot, but I think people do need to understand what has been at play here. There has been a
Starting point is 00:29:29 deliberate augmentation of Rupert's profile. Look, I'm a fan of Rupert. I think he's great. We're a Brexit party MEPs together. But there was a deliberate augmentation of his profile. There was a deliberate putting out around information that Nigel Farage was against immigration all of a sudden, which isn't true, absolutely not. And then when there was this division that happened between the two, I think there'd been tensions between the two for a long time. I don't know. I'm not in the middle of all of this. I don't want to be. But that also saw a huge amount of exacerbation, very deliberately by a very sophisticated and intent bot campaign, which has now ceased.
Starting point is 00:30:05 I've noticed it ceased because it's no longer bombarding me on my own timeline. The amount of abuse I got for, I don't know, having worked with Nigel for so long, for refusing to pick a side. I mean, what on earth am I supposed to do? I've known Nigel for pretty much all of my adult life. I'm a dear friend of his.
Starting point is 00:30:21 I've known Rupert Lowe. We sat in parliament together. You know, it's like parents divorcing or something. You don't have to pick between mum and dad. So just leave me out of it. But it is true that there was a sophisticated bot campaign. That is just the truth. OK. And like I said, when that report is published, I hope people do read it. And I hope that with that in mind, they question whether or not they got swept up in something that yes there was a fallout yes something's gone on in that party that I don't fully understand I'll never know all the details of it yes it's a great tragedy that both sides
Starting point is 00:30:55 frankly have behaved pretty appallingly in public when it comes to putting you know articles in newspapers or press releases out I mean it's just it frankly has been rather unedifying for the party. But I hope we can all move on from this. Now, talking about Rupert Lowe's rape gang inquiry, I think it's a wonderful thing. He's taken this very seriously from the beginning. And I think it's a great incentive. What I would say is this,
Starting point is 00:31:20 £424,000 is an astonishing amount of money. Unfortunately, inquirers tend to run into their millions. I'm not sure how far £400,000 is going to go. I think it's probably going to need to be a lot more than that if it's going to be able to. And that is a concern because having statutory powers, if an inquiry has been initiated by the government, it means it has the legal powers to demand to speak to people, to get their testimonies, to be able to interview witnesses. And unfortunately, with something that doesn't have statutory powers, there is no incentive for anybody to have to go and speak to a lawyer or be part of this inquiry. So it will stymie the ability of what that inquiry can actually deliver. And I hope that they have considered this and that Rupert has potentially another another place he can send that money to. If he finds out the inquiry can't really take place in any meaningful way. I don't
Starting point is 00:32:26 know if it can. I think it's a great initiative in principle. And so this isn't a criticism of Rupert. But again, let's not let facts suddenly become villains of the piece. The fact of the matter is it isn't a statutory inquiry. Inquiries tend to cost millions of pounds. Breaking right now, Gary Stevenson, the multi-millionaire trader turned hard left tax the rich economist, who is now a favourite across the MSM, even appearing on the British bashing corporation's Question Time, has been accused of telling outlandish lies about his past by his former colleagues. They say the claims about his former career are trumped up, putting into doubt all of his ludicrous rhetoric,
Starting point is 00:33:16 which he's now using to make many more millions across social media. So if you're not aware of this cretin, here he is on Piers Morgan. Listen, I made a lot of money, enough to quit and run a YouTube channel. How much? Just give it to me straight. Enough to quit, run a YouTube channel and have a family. That's enough.
Starting point is 00:33:34 30 million, 50 million? Do you have a spreadsheet? Do you have a spreadsheet? No. I don't have a fucking spreadsheet. All I know is it's enough. I can go to Nando's. You said you put it in the book, though,
Starting point is 00:33:42 how much it is. Yeah, well, I didn't add it all up. You read the book and add it up. Well, how much is it? I don't fucking know. Listen. What, 10, 50, 100 million? It's enough for me to live the rest of my life. I'm not trying to trap you. No, it's the 10, 50, 100 million. It's enough. Enough for an ordinary person to live the rest of their life as a whole family.
Starting point is 00:33:56 The number I had in my head when I went into banking, well, was two million pounds. Two million? And it was enough. For me, that's enough. You've made more than two million. You were Sydney Bank's top guy. I don't have this stuff up. For me, it's enough. You've made more than two million. You were Sydney Bank's top guy. I don't add this stuff up. For me, it's enough. I've got enough money. I've got enough to do the work that I do.
Starting point is 00:34:09 Do you give a little bit away? Do you redistribute your own wealth? That is the money that funds my YouTube channel. Listen, tell me this now, right? When you sell a book, do you keep the money for the book? If I give the money away... Of course he does. Of course he does.
Starting point is 00:34:23 He's a capitalist. But in other boastful interviews, Stevenson has been far from bashful, claiming he lost £8 million in a week. What was the most amount of money that you lost? Well, I lost $8 million in a week when I was in 2010, when I was still 23. I lost $8 million in a week. And that was mad, because I graduated in 2008, so a lot of my mates couldn't get jobs. Obviously, that was the financial crisis, right? And I was halfway through this week by that point,
Starting point is 00:34:51 and I'd already lost $5 million in three days. And all my mates were playing Pro Evolution. And you're just thinking, like, I've lost $5 million. How much more can I lose before I lose my job? It really dehumanizes you i wouldn't trust a word this guy said as richard k reported for the daily mail today what does not seem to have hurt him so far at least are troubling questions about the credibility of some of the flamboyant claims this former London School of Economics student has made about his working
Starting point is 00:35:31 history. So what is the truth about his claim that he had been Citibank's most profitable trader globally, which he now suggests in his foul language made him the best effing trader in the effing world. What's rubbish, according to the Financial Times, with his colleagues on the record telling the newspaper of his delusions of grandeur, like Kent Bray, who worked on the trading desk alongside him and said he was stunned when he heard Stevenson claim to have been City's top trader. I contacted him, he said, and I said, is this book fiction or non-fiction? And he said it's non-fiction. Richard Kaye's report goes on to say, yes, according to Bray, who had been his mentor, Stevenson was not in the running for the
Starting point is 00:36:17 title of best trader at the London branch of City, let alone the world. Of the £35 million Stevenson claimed to have made the bank in his best year, Bray was contemptuous, saying, it sounds like a lot of money for people not in the trade, but in all the time I was at Citibank, that's not going to make you the most profitable trader globally. Another former colleague described the young Gary as okay, but not exceptional, adding he wasn't even close to being one of the stars that individual said stevenson's claim about being one of the best in any one year is a laughable and clearly just an outlandish bib alex phillips rave hadle manku my superstar panel back with me
Starting point is 00:37:02 rave the issue i have with this is not about how much money this guy made. It's about the fact that if he cannot even tell us the truth about his history as a trader, then why on earth should we trust his clearly ludicrous prescription to try and save the economy? Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:37:22 And look, I worked in the city at the same time he did. I was at Deutsche bank from 2007 to 2009 as well you know and 35 million pounds is not a huge amount of money to make and notice how clever he was he didn't tell pierce morgan that he personally lost five or eight million he could have been saying he lost his bank five or eight million and that's what we see a lot with this chap is a lot of attempts to essentially muddy the water. So you're not quite sure whose money or what money he's talking about. But as we saw on Question Time, this man's claim to have any sound understanding of the British
Starting point is 00:37:54 economy is severely flawed. Just because you're a good market trader doesn't mean that you actually have a great grasp of the UK economy. For example, he was saying that to plug the deficit for benefit claimants, we should just tax the billionaires more. And he said that in the 50s, 60s and 70s, we had a wealth tax here, which enabled his father to have a decent life. Actually, we didn't have a wealth tax
Starting point is 00:38:17 in the 50s, 60s and 70s. What we had were very high income taxes, high marginal rates of income tax, but that wasn't a wealth tax at all. You know, and also his idea of essentially increasing taxes on millionaires and billionaires everywhere that that's been tried in France, Switzerland briefly and elsewhere. It's been a catastrophic failure. And Britain now ranks as the number two country in the world for an exodus of millionaires behind only China. This is, you know, sixth form or common room university economics of the very worst kind. And the fact that his book has on the front cover a glowing review from Rory Stewart of all people
Starting point is 00:38:58 tells you all that you need to know about this chap's credentials. Yeah, indeed. Rory Stewart, who bet £100,000 or said he was going to bet £100,000 on Kamala Harris becoming the US president. Alex Phillips, why is the mainstream media so determined to make this guy who clearly has credibility issues a superstar? They are just determined to do it. Yeah, and why is it that they chose some sort of strange, odd little syndromic child from Sweden who didn't go to school to suddenly be the world's expert on meteorology and climate change and sort of paraded her around at the UN and in front of world leaders and beatified her and held her up as some sort of strange goblin oracle? It's because it fits their ideology.
Starting point is 00:39:45 This is the latest creature that they've dug up, who they've decided is going to be beatified and fetishized because he has hard left principles and they just love it. And yet, you know, Rafe was pointing out actually about wealth taxes. We have the highest burden of tax that we have done since the Second World War. So many people are leaving the United Kingdom now. The capital flight is absolutely astonishing. 10,000 millionaires have left the UK. And do you know what the left do? They sit there and go, oh, yeah, brilliant, bye-bye, you know, sorry the door slammed on the way out.
Starting point is 00:40:20 But those people were the biggest tax contributors. Where's the money going to be coming from to go into the treasury that then is redistributed to people who got off a boat yesterday and have to have a four star hotel room? You know, where is all this money going to come from if the wealthy people are not there to be taxed? And this is in basic economic principles called the Laffer curve, you reach a certain point where taxation is at such a height that actually what happens is you end up getting less money. In fact, the less you tax, the less punitive the tax system, the more tax you often get because more people aren't trying to avoid it or evade it. People are willing to pay up to a certain amount because they think it's a pretty good deal,
Starting point is 00:41:00 especially if they're getting decent public services in return. But what we've got now are people feeling like we just have a punitive system that's fewer than, I think it's 48% of people, if not fewer, are net contributors into the system. Over 50% of the population are actually earning money off the government. And when it comes to the people who actually pay the most into society, it's a vanishingly small percentage. And yet they don't get anything from the government. They're demonized. And instead, this absolute joke of a cretin who's got a CV that should, you know, warrant him a position on the Labour front bench. At least we know with his potty mouth, he's not going to be a reform candidate.
Starting point is 00:41:40 And sort of, you know, modern day say, I mean and he's just laughable but every time every time you're so right comparing him to greta thunberg because he's just as annoying like watch him on the diary of a ceo boast about the fact that like just no one can do what he does what would your advice be to them gary at this moment in time this is such a hard question i know dan's angry at me for what i put in my video how to get rich um somebody came around to my house and asked me this other day obviously i get asked it a lot because stupidly i'm very public about the fact that i'm rich um what i did is not replicable what i did is not replicable it's not i'm sorry i'm sorry but it's not people say, why don't you teach me to trade?
Starting point is 00:42:25 Like, it's hard. It's hard trading and it's dangerous. And I think a lot of young men are getting sort of sold into trading and becoming gambling addicts. You know, work hard. And some of his rhetoric, I would argue, is actually bordering on dangerous. Listen to when he invokes the Holocaust. Very hard to keep wealth in generations.
Starting point is 00:42:49 Down in the 20th century, we had two world wars and a Holocaust. That redistributed wealth. I would prefer not to have that again. Yeah. Rafe, what's he getting at there? I've got no idea what he's talking about at all. I don't think even he knows what he's talking about. I mean, look, this guy is clearly just a snakehole salesman. He's a self-publicist. He's got a look. Gary the geezer is his nickname because of the
Starting point is 00:43:17 way he dresses. And that just plugs in so well to the liberal metropolitan elite's idea of the sort of cheeky chappy they like. That's why Rory Stewart's on the front cover of the book. It's a bit like Andrew Tate, right? But on the other end of the spectrum, this is someone who just came from nowhere, completely reinvented himself in a brand new image that may or may not be based in reality. And it's very dangerous because, of course, people in the broader public, on the left particularly, are looking to him as a messiah.
Starting point is 00:43:44 But apparently all of his solutions are simply veneer thin. There's no substance behind any of it. No, that's very true, isn't it, Alex Phillips? Yeah, he seems to me actually that he's got either borderline personality disorder or narcissism. I mean, he is just a huge self-promoter. There doesn't seem to be much going on inside um the confines of his mind he's hardly particularly articulate he doesn't say anything original he just seems to come out with a load of spews out a load of tropes and a bit like like i said greta thunberg they all sit
Starting point is 00:44:15 there going yeah isn't he wonderful i'm waiting for the you know allegations to come out about something he's done or you know the malpractice he may have conducted. I don't know. Not saying he has, but usually when you have these people who have venerated as superstars because they've pushed themselves forward so hard due to narcissism, you usually find there's some pretty horrible, ugly secrets in their wake. So let's wait and see what comes out. But I don't give a stuff about this man. They can stick him on question time as much as they like i just think he's a moron he is a moron and of course he is a moron who unfortunately we are going to be seeing a lot more of because as alex says he is going to push a narrative that suits what the establishment wants that suits what the mainstream media wants be very very careful supporting this guy and as rave said and i think we saw it there any type of endorsement from rory stewart is an immediate reason to just switch off
Starting point is 00:45:15 breaking right now prince harry has been cast aside by one of his former allies and friends who appeared in his Netflix series and thrown under the bus by another as this centre Bali charity racism, harassment, bullying and cover-up scandal gets worse by the hour. Now central to this story is the treatment of the charity chief, a Centre Bali charity event, which sparked this big bust up because, of course, when Dr Sophie refused to go public to defend Meghan Markle's behaviour, that's when Harry went mad. Meanwhile, Harry's friend and apparent ally, Alex Rayner, he is an old Etonian school pal of the prince who went to the North Pole with him in 2012, has made the situation even more grim. He told the Daily Mail overnight, H is very happy for me to speak for him about how he feels about this awful situation.
Starting point is 00:46:41 He is just beyond heartbroken and flabbergasted that the charity he founded as a teenager has been taken hostage by the chair. It feels tantamount to a hostile takeover. It feels like Dr. Sophie had her nose put out of joint because she was not the most important woman of colour on the stage. There is an undercurrent of stink here because Megan showed up and it is coming from her. Dr. Sophie, the chair should never have let that narrative take hold that Megan had caused an issue. If that narrative did take hold, then I would argue it is down to the chair to put it right. They could have issued a statement and put a stop to it, but they did not. Why? Again, this whole thing smells. It feels planned.
Starting point is 00:47:26 And I suspect that the whole thing could only have come from the chair herself. Well, that is totally tone deaf because I want to show you what happened on stage at that charity event. I covered it at the time. The mainstream media did not. But watch closely because it's not Dr Dr Sophie Chandoka who causes an issue, it is Meghan Markle. Meanwhile, Kehinde Andrew, a Harry and Meghan ally, he's actually a revolting guy, but he appeared on their Netflix show,
Starting point is 00:48:13 has now brutally turned on Harry, suggesting that he probably is racist. So we're going to get analysis from Rafe Hadle-Manku and Alex Phillips imminently, but first I just want you to watch what he had to say to Piers Morgan. None of this is very good, is it? It is undoubted that when Harry and Meghan were in the family, they experienced problems, as anybody would expect. That royal family is one of the symbols of white supremacy, it's deeply racist, so they experienced that. That royal family is one of the symbols of white supremacy, is deeply racist, so they experience that. It is also true that Prince Harry is a representative of that symbol
Starting point is 00:48:50 of white supremacy. What do you expect? Are we actually surprised that someone from the elite, from the aristocracy, went to Africa and is gap year, started a charity, and then acts really pompous and imperial to the black woman who runs it? This is not news. Honestly, this is not news. Two things can be true they
Starting point is 00:49:05 experience racism and they complain about it and yes more than likely harry is even if even if these accusations aren't true it's deeply unlikely that prince harry has not acted in a colonial manner in his pet project um on the african continent so isn't this great it's the woke eating itself this is why prince harry and megan Markle were so stupid to ally themselves, to align themselves, sorry, with a man like Kehinde Andrew. He hadn't finished. This is constant, constant harassment that she's got.
Starting point is 00:49:34 And like I said, I'm not a big fan. And I would also distress, I think it's important to say, look, I'm not a big fan of either of them. And I'm not surprised Prince Harry's been accused of these things, but that doesn't, you don't have to be a good person
Starting point is 00:49:43 to have experienced racism. You can have experienced racism and be an awful person and you can go on perpetually. But where... Rafe Hadleman-Kuh, this is an astonishing story on so many levels. Where do you want to start? Well, let's start with the odious Kehinde Andrews, the most vile and despicable race grifter
Starting point is 00:50:05 out there. That's quite a crowded series of contestants for that title. Look, whether or not the accusations made against Harry and Meghan are true, I think most viewers of this channel will be feeling a great degree of schadenfreude that they are
Starting point is 00:50:21 finally getting a taste of their own medicine, finding themselves now in precisely the position they put the getting a taste of their own medicine finding themselves now in precisely the position they put the royal family in with their baseless accusations of racism and bullying as well and it may just very well be that you know megan has met more than her match in dr chandauka here who is a had a very impressive career, let's remember. This is not some thin-skinned snowflake who takes offence very quickly. And this was a corporate finance lawyer, ran internationally departments for Morgan Stanley
Starting point is 00:50:53 and International Bank, set up a biotech company. She was an entrepreneur with that. Senior figure in Meta, which owns Instagram and Facebook. This is a very, very senior and serious figure. And if she feels that if she wanted to launch a lawsuit, which she does, she must understand that she has the legal expertise to know that it's based upon some firm footing here. So I would be very worried if I was not only Prince Harry, but if I was a member of his board of trustees. And also the irony here, of course, is that this is not some conservative woman. She's also working herself.
Starting point is 00:51:29 She wanted to turn Centre Ballet into a charity focused upon health, wealth and climate resilience throughout Africa. Having said, you know, having HIV AIDS is no longer a death sentence. We need to expand our mission. And of course, she's now accusing Prince Harry of misogynoir. Now, misogynoir is a new term to me,
Starting point is 00:51:50 but it means misogyny against black women. Now, that's precisely the sort of term you would have expected Meghan to come up with. And ironically, it's now being used against her husband as well. I mean, this is like watching an episode of Woke Gladiators, I would say here, or Woke Grievanceance gladiators and i am going to enjoy it i am going to enjoy it alex phillips what i found most astonishing about this line from alex rayner who is claiming that he is speaking on behalf of prince harry they're certainly friends, is that he said it feels like
Starting point is 00:52:26 Dr. Chandoka had her nose point out of joint because she was not the most important woman of colour on the stage. Now, that's quite a despicable thing to say, isn't it? He's suggesting that Dr. Sophie Chandoka is in some way jealous of Meghan Markle. Now, this is a woman who, as Rafe said, has been highly successful in her own career, didn't want to thrust herself in the public spotlight. Indeed, when Harry wanted her to speak out publicly, she didn't do so. So I just feel that's an outrageous claim. It is an outrageous claim. I mean, what has Meghan Markle done with her life? She opened some boxes on that prize show, whatever it's called. Oh, deal or no deal. Dressed like a slapper.
Starting point is 00:53:06 And she was in a pretty low-grade rubbish American sitcom. And then she, you know, pursued Harry doggedly because she was so desperate to be connected to somebody of celebrity status, so desperate to play the part of a royal. And then what she'd done, she just slammed you around in Montecito, cooking rubbish food for Netflix, failing in all of her projects. So, you know, she's a lounging around in Montecito cooking rubbish food for Netflix
Starting point is 00:53:25 failing in all of her projects so you know she's a bit low-grade in my opinion I'd much rather be mates with that other woman who's pretty impressive sounding but this is always what happens isn't it Harry is so obsessed with Meghan it's so peculiar you know something really sort of oedipal and odd about that relationship Meghan goes around pretending to be, you know, the sort of second coming of Princess Diana, his mum. He goes, isn't she gorgeous? Isn't she just like my mum? And it's like, well, don't stick your willy in her. That's really creepy.
Starting point is 00:53:53 I can't really buy into this. Meghan is someone so sort of, you know, super earthly and superhuman that we almost bow down at her feet. And the fact that he's allowed that to get in the way of his charitable work. This is a man who as a young man adored Africa, adored his visits there, was very proud of setting up these charities and these foundations that really gave him purpose in life. And everyone applauded him for it. But now he's allowed his
Starting point is 00:54:23 sort of sick obsession with his own wife and his sort of jumping on the woke bandwagon to completely destroy the only thing that he's ever achieved as well. Yeah, and I would say also that I think that an increasing number of people suspect that Dr Chandorka's card was marked, the target was put on her back, the moment she refused to actually stand up for megan in that and harry sent some type of abusive email rave and she says that she has the receipts for that and look i mean it's
Starting point is 00:54:52 really interesting seeing the reaction from this uh watch jeremy kyle here interviewing the royal author robert jobson the silence is deafening from the press, from the people, and from them. I believe they've been found out, and I believe, genuinely, hand on heart, there is no way back, and I'm afraid. I mean, I still read people going, oh, they've given such a... I've heard nothing, by the way, from those wailing lefties
Starting point is 00:55:17 who go, oh, it's so unfair, you're really unfair to the spare. Isn't it interesting, and I'm just being straight, for anybody who hasn't got me, this was a woman of colour accusing him of bullying... Yeah, that's right And I'm just being straight, for anybody who hasn't got me, this was a woman of colour accusing him of bullying and harassment. A woman of colour, after everything they said.
Starting point is 00:55:34 Unbelievable. I was barely annoyed with the way that she's been treated, and I'm sure that she's going to have, she's not only a woman of colour, she's a very, very bright person, a doctor, she's a solicitor, top lawyer. And I'm sure that she would have kept a lot of notes on all of these things. Yeah, very true.
Starting point is 00:55:52 I agree with all of that. But what I also thought was fascinating, Rafe, is Queer Lips of Truth, which is a post on X, or they posted on X, but they're doing some really good work at the moment on the whole royal thing. And it really crystallized my thinking on this. They said, think about all the people Prince Harry has pressured to issue statements about his wife, who always leaves many crying in their wake. And the list is astonishing. The New York Police Department, Archwell staff, South African staff, Australian staff, Buckingham Palace staff, Kensington Palace staff, Santa Barley, the Invictus Games, Gavin Newsom, the Yulvaldi survivors, families, the list goes on. And as Malinated Mona posted, Buckingham Palace continues to hide the bullying
Starting point is 00:56:39 allegations. So the thing is, Rafe, this is not the first time. The Hollywood Reporter recently revealed that Meghan had been accused of bullying by Archewell staff as well, who described her as a dictator duchess in high heels. So maybe if this was the first sort of accusation, you'd look into it a bit more closely. But there are now so many of these myriad accusations well you got to see that you know the passive aggressiveness of megan just in that polo match you could see with the way she was gesturing had the cameras not been turned on i wonder what you actually would have seen in reality we know of course that the accusations have come from so many sources of bullying that there must certainly be more like a kernel or more than a kernel of truth. And yet again, Prince Harry brings out the machines and everything he can do to try to get people to defend her. Nadine Doris had a very
Starting point is 00:57:36 good article about this in the Mail. She calls it flying monkey syndrome, a reference to the Wizard of Oz, where these monkeys were so beholden to the wicked witch of the West, they would do anything to protect her. And it sort of seems as if poor Prince Harry is suffering from this very same syndrome, even though it's causing damage not only to himself, but you know, to the charity that actually was one of the few things that's been a grounding element in his most of his adult life. It's terribly depressing to see all of that alex phillips what's interesting you've spent a lot of time uh in africa what seems quite interesting here is there's this split between sophie chandoka who wants to move much more of
Starting point is 00:58:18 santa bali's efforts actually out of africa you know not have them based in the UK or the US? Is this a common thing as people sort of move away from what's it called the white saviour narrative? Perhaps. I mean, look, there's a huge amount of charitable work that takes place in Africa, a load of foreign aid goes into the continent. Certain cities like Nairobi, where I used to live, are very much the headquarters of most of the big charitable organisations. And what was interesting, actually, is her sensible strategic approach of saying, you know, HIV is no longer the big issue of the day. There's great access to medications often provided by foreign charities,
Starting point is 00:59:00 and we need to start looking at doing other things. And a lot of Africans actually reflect this sentiment Africans don't want to be on the receiving end of blank charity checks what they want is to have um have gray-collar jobs what they want is a sort of trade relationships between their countries and the rest of the world that enable them to have factories and enable them to be on production lines and enable them to become trade negotiators or HR managers and not just sort of work in the fields toiling for a few pennies a day. And I think I get the impression, actually, that that her approach to where she wanted the charity to go was probably the right one.
Starting point is 00:59:38 I think that's an important point, you know, because because, you know, if you look at the board of trustees have all resigned as well, but they're very much Harry's old guard. There's an old boys network who have similar attitudes and paternalistic beliefs to Prince Harry in terms of how you develop aid and so forth and help in Africa. And I think there's a great culture clash here because who hasn't resigned? None of Dr Chandalkar's executive committee who actually work for the charity have resigned. None of her 500 staff have resigned. None of Dr. Chandalkar's executive committee who actually work for the charity have resigned. None of her 500 staff have resigned. They seem to understand the need to go in a new
Starting point is 01:00:09 direction. And they realize that this board of trustees, who've been there for far too long, as she said, they far extended the term that they should normally have served. They're simply not reflecting the reality of where Africa is at the moment and what this charity needs to do. She's a high-powered woman. She's a jet-setter who knows what needs to be done. And I think they simply are standing in the way of this charity. Yes, very good point, Rafe. And remember as well, sitting alongside her during this extraordinary interview on Sly News at the weekend with Trevor Phillips, was a guy called Ian Rawlinson, who is sticking by Dr. Sophie Chandoka, and he is a close ally of Prince William, which I think is another fascinating layer to all of this.
Starting point is 01:00:57 But it is just worth having a look at, I would argue, the biggest bombshell from that interview. Isn't the problem here that it was you was the problem, not the Prince? It was me who was the problem because I put a whistleblower complaint about the bullying, the harassment and the misogyny and Prince Harry interfered in the investigation of that. And the senior independent director who should have taken care of it was the very same person who then delivered the news to me that I was going to
Starting point is 01:01:30 be removed by the board. So it's a cover up and the Prince is involved. I mean, that last line, it's extraordinary. Because we know, even though it hasn't never been published, we know, I know, that he was also involved in the cover-up of Meghan's bullying at Kensington Palace. And then at Buckingham Palace. It's the same old practice again, except this time, of course, things are different. Because this time the Charity Commission itself is doing an investigation. And if it does find things that back up what Dr. Chandalkar is saying, then it can actually take things onto a statutory footing for an investigation. So we are far from the end of this story. It has a long way to go with potentially even more damaging revelations to come. Indeed, and we will keep across this of course but rave hadel mancoon alex phillips do stand by
Starting point is 01:02:27 because there has been an astonishing twist in the story of the jeffrey epstein and prince andrew accuser virginia dufray and this could change everything for prince and. I'll explain. It really is an increasingly bizarre, but I would argue, potentially very, very important story. So don't go anywhere. Much more of that in just one minute with Alex and Rafe. But first, the reason you're watching this show is that it's becoming increasingly difficult to trust mainstream media or the so-called fact checkers who claim to determine which facts are true. And there's a good reason for that, given the debate over free speech, the controversy surrounding Brexit and how Trump and other politicians challenging the status quo are portrayed. But I've found the solution. It's called Ground News, and it's the best way to
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Starting point is 01:06:20 taken place, said they had only received one report of a minor crash between a school bus and a car. Now, it gets even worse because a police spokeswoman has said the collision was reported by the bus driver the following day, but there were no injuries as a result of the crash. The East Metropolitan Health Service, which runs the Royal Perth Hospital, told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation that Ms Dufresne was not at any of their facilities. And a Western Australian Public Transport Authority spokesperson told the ABC they were unaware of any such bus crashes. Now, why does this matter? I hear you ask. Well, it's all to do with whether we can trust Ms. Dufresne's photos. Because look at the photo again of her
Starting point is 01:07:14 covered in bruises. It looks very, very serious. Of course it does. But is this photo genuine, given no injuries were reported as a result of the crash? And that matters, of course, because of the famous photo of Ms. Dufresne with Prince Andrew and Ghislaine Maxwell. This was the photo that finished it all for Prince Andrew. Let's just be honest about that. And for many months, there have been serious doubts cast on whether that is a genuine picture. Prince Andrew's longtime ally, a friend of this show, Lady Victoria Harvey, mocked Virginia overnight as the, quote, queen of the fake photo. And I mean, it's a difficult one because, of course, I don't know for certain.
Starting point is 01:08:06 Of course, I don't know for certain if this woman is days from death. But I do think you've got to take Lady V's point quite seriously, which is, she said, generally, when you're dying, you're not thinking about posting a selfie. You're actually dying. And I do just want you to have a look at the 60 Minutes interview with 60 Minutes Australia, because I know the mainstream media will tell you Virginia Dufresne is a woman to be trusted. Just watch this interview and just really think again if she is telling the truth. Prince Andrew denies the allegations against him. And he says that this photo is a fake, that he was never there and that it's not his arm and they're not his fingers. Those are his fingers. That is Andrew.
Starting point is 01:08:48 This photo has been verified as an original and it's been since given to the FBI and they've never contested that it's a fake. And I know it's real. And he needs to stop with all of these lame excuses. We're sick of hearing it. This is a real photo. And that was the first time you met him?
Starting point is 01:09:08 And that's the very first time I met him. And that's right before I was abused by him. Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell took the 17-year-old Virginia to London to party with Prince Andrew. Then we went to Club Tramp and he danced with me and he sweats a lot and he smells funny. And then we get in the car and Elan tells me in the car
Starting point is 01:09:37 that I have to do what I do for Geoffrey for Prince Andrew. And that's when I learned what was going to happen. How many times were you trafficked to him? Three times. OK, let me bring in my superstar panel, Alex Phillips and Rafe Hadle-Mancou. Rafe, we don't know for sure, but I have spoken to allies of Prince Andrew today
Starting point is 01:10:04 who simply say, tick tock, tick tock, tick tock. Could this be a game changing moment? If it does emerge that Virginia Dufresne is not being honest about this accident, if this photo is potentially not genuine. That's right, because things are actually even more fishy because this accident, which is supposed to have taken place on the 24th of March, she didn't post about this until Sunday. Now, her father had no knowledge of his daughter's accident until she made her own Instagram post.
Starting point is 01:10:36 And you would have thought if you are days or hours before death that your father would have been notified in some capacity. Interestingly, also, two days before this crash, on the 22nd of March, she also put a very, very cryptic message on Instagram, which basically implied that she wasn't living with her children anymore. She said, I miss my babies, and they're being poisoned with lies. I miss them very much, and I've been away from them for too long. Now, what on earth does that mean? And is there a coincidence between that post on the 22nd and this mysterious crash,
Starting point is 01:11:10 alleged crash on the 24th, of which no one has heard? And then she said, as you said, I only have four days to live. But then she also said, I'm being transferred to a specialist urology hospital. So obviously there is hope for her, otherwise she wouldn't be transferred to a specialist urology hospital. So obviously there is hope for her, otherwise she wouldn't be transferred to a specialist hospital, even though she has declined to actually name this hospital. And as you say, there is no evidence in Perth. And you're Australian,
Starting point is 01:11:34 I think Perth is the most remote city in Australia. So if she's not being seen in Perth, I don't know where she would be being seen within several hours of that hospital, I would imagine. So it's all very curious and it must undoubtedly raise questions as to the veracity of that original photo, which could or could not be. I mean, I'm not a psychic. I don't know whether it's true or not, but certainly this does raise some serious questions. Yeah, you're right, because just going to that Instagram post, Alex
Starting point is 01:12:03 Phillips, she said, I've gone into kidney renal failure. They've given me four days to live, transferring me to a specialist hospital in urology. I'm ready to go, just not until I see my babies one last time. It feels like there's something else going on here. It's very, very weird. First of all, and we don't know the truth, do we? Perhaps this woman is lying in bed in a hospital and in all sorts of trouble
Starting point is 01:12:33 and hasn't got long left on her clock. We'll soon find out, actually, whether it's a load of BS, won't we, if she lives to tell us, to change her story. But what's weird is you know you've had a car accident and it's ended up with kidney failure okay strange then you're lying in hospital of what looks like mud or dirt on your face but no sort of signs of lacerations I don't understand why her face is dirty having driven a car is that supposed to be bruising I don't know
Starting point is 01:13:02 if she had kidney failure you'd expect to be wired up to some sort of dialysis machine. And I don't know how one gets a kidney failure from a car accident. It's all weird. It's all very, very weird. And also, if you were told you have three days to live, it's a weird post to write, you know? Like, oh, this year started off really badly.
Starting point is 01:13:22 Oh, well, I got divorced. Oh, well, I don't get to see my kids. Then guess what? Well, I got in a car crash. Now I'm going to die. Thank you all for being wonderful people in my life. It's just odd. Nothing about this seems to make any sense whatsoever.
Starting point is 01:13:36 It doesn't pass the sniff test. As a result, I mean, look, let's see if we can find out the truth, because if this is a genuine story, it should be very easy to prove. There'll be more photographs. But that's what the Australian journalists have been trying to do, because as Rafe says, it's not like there are loads of hospitals in Perth. Which then sort of suggests if this has been made up, and made up to the extent that she's, I don't know,
Starting point is 01:14:06 dug makeup on her face or used AI to make a photo and put that sensational story on Instagram, it suggests she's got some sort of psychological problem, doesn't it? What's the psychological problem called when people sort of imagine their kids are really ill and things like that? You know, it's sort of like hypochondria, but it's not. It's, you know, it really does cast an interesting light on this woman. If she's gone as far as making up that she's pretending she's about to die from a fake car accident, then she's barmy, isn't she? And that should actually unravel all of her accusations.
Starting point is 01:14:38 Well, look, the police say there was a car accident, but it was a minor accident. And certainly there were no injuries reported and lady victoria harvey rafe has written and some people will think this is tough but lady v has been on virginia for a very long time she's written karma over that selfie adding on her instagram the mocking soundtrack of the 1986 hit The Final Countdown. Now she's not actually talking about The Final Countdown to her death, she's talking about The Final Countdown to Virginia Dufresne being exposed. And I think it is worth just speaking for one moment, Rafe, about the fact that even though the entire mainstream media and the establishment and even the royal
Starting point is 01:15:18 family itself, let's be honest, have absolutely cast out Prince Andrew and assumed there is no way back. That is not how Prince Andrew feels. That is not how Prince Andrew's allies feel. They believe, Rafe, that he has been subjected to a great injustice and that there is a path back and they've just needed to wait for a moment like this to prove it. And personally, I've been very honest about this because I like being transparent when I think I've been wrong about something. And I do think I was wrong about Prince Andrew. I think I very much bought into the mainstream media hysteria. And I think he made huge mistakes, by the way, about his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein. I'm not questioning that for one second. But I don't think the story adds up.
Starting point is 01:16:13 Yeah, well, firstly, sorry. I know I said you're Australian. I obviously know you're from New Zealand. Yes, I didn't pick you up. I'm not one of those New Zealanders that gets really angry about that. I've lived in Canada. I've got relatives in Sydney and I spend a lot of time there.
Starting point is 01:16:29 So no, I wasn't offended at all. And yeah, it's Munchausen syndrome is where you fake illnesses and so forth. That may be the case. Yes. Maybe she's short on money and there's a lawsuit to be had for claiming injury in an accident.
Starting point is 01:16:45 There are all sorts of possibilities. We simply don't know on that front. But on your other point regarding Prince Andrew, look, you're absolutely right. Prince Andrew has been judged guilty in the eyes of the public, but not guilty in a court of law. And that's crucially important. My point has always been, I have idea what happened with between the victorian roberts she then was and the duke of york i've got no idea but of course being found guilty in the public eyes is all that matters for an institution like the monarchy that depends upon the public for its survival and just as prince myagra has always been just as prince andrew was willing to sacrifice his life as a brave helicopter pilot in the
Starting point is 01:17:25 Falklands War, this has called for another time where you put queen or king and country before yourself. And he needed to retire and go into the wilderness for the sake of the monarchy. That was necessary at the time. That doesn't mean he was guilty of anything, but there comes a point where you have to realise I'm causing the institution that I love and that's so fundamental to the nation more damage by being there. Now, if we then find out through whatever means that this photograph was fake or this current one is fake and that causes doubts, who knows what path may be open for the Duke to be rehabilitated and come back. Personally, I think it's perhaps too late, but time is a great healer and who knows? Well, you two are an absolute fabulous superstar panel.
Starting point is 01:18:14 Thank you so much to my dream team, Alex Phillips of the That's What She Said sub stack and Rafe Hadle-Mancou, historian historian royal commentator and a senior fellow at the brilliant new culture forum thank you both so much really really appreciate it and so much uh comment coming in from you today my critic 69 writes i work in cyber security also this is the whole issue of reform uk and bots etc etc and and they say i work in cyber security the only way they would know they were bots if the social media companies released the ip addresses of those that posted i doubt they can do that without a court order and alex writes and this is on the issue of gooming gangs the
Starting point is 01:18:58 establishment or i actually call them pakistani rape gangs the establishment needs to be uprooted root and stem the whole thing needs to be replaced and tried in court. I demand long prison sentences for the many people involved in covering them up. And on Harry and Meghan, Jenny Chilton writes, Buckingham Palace continues to have them on the official royal website and provides a link to the Sussex website, which collects your data and sells it. I mean, I think that's a huge concern. They should not be on the official royal website, and they certainly shouldn't be linking to what is effectively a commercial operation now. Let's get to Greatest Britain Union jackass, though.
Starting point is 01:19:38 The nominees from you today, nominated by Alan James O'Brien for saying it's unthinkable that Kemi Badenoch hasn't watched the fictional Netflix drama Adolescence. Mike Tapp, nominated by Tom John 1975 for humiliating himself after making misleading comments about Nigel Farage. And Christopher Hope, the political editor of GB News, nominated by Whitehorse for not covering the Rupert Lowe rape gang inquiry fundraiser. So this is an interesting one with 18% of the vote. It is Mike Tapp for his Farage smears with 29% Christopher Hope over Rupert Lowe. But today's union jackass James O'Brien for his faux outrage over Kemi Badenoch on Netflix. I'm told actually, I didn't listen to him today, I couldn't bring myself, but I am told he was making some absolutely
Starting point is 01:20:33 outrageous claims on air today about Kemi Badenoch. And our Greatest Britain, nominated by Darren Donaldson, is Robert Jenrick because the two-tier justice guidelines have been suspended. Now, coming up in the uncancelled after show on Substack, much more royal news because there's so much going on today with Angela Levin. We're going to bring you this big revelation from Piers Morgan about how Prince Harry went ballistic over his friendship with the royal family. It's caused serious dramas. So we'll hear from Piers at www.outspoken.live. That is where you sign up to my sub stack. I'd really appreciate if you could do it www.substack.live. But we are back live tomorrow, 5pm UK time, midday Eastern, 9am Pacific. Hit subscribe if you're watching on YouTube or Rumble.
Starting point is 01:21:29 Most importantly, I promise to keep fighting for you, but I hope to see you on the After Show on Substack in just one minute.

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