Dan Wootton Outspoken - DISGUST AS MSM, KING CHARLES, STARMER & KHAN COVER UP ISLAM TRUTH ABOUT 7/7 ON ANNIVERSARY

Episode Date: July 8, 2025

MANSCAPED Get 15% off + free shipping with the code Outspoken at https://manscaped.com BREAKING TODAY: Another Reform UK MP is thrown on the scrapheap. The party is down to just four representatives in Westminster again after James McMurdock today quit the party to represent South Basildon and East Thurrock as an independent. Was he pushed out by the party because of his alliance with fellow ousted MP Rupert Lowe, with suggestions Reform’s chief whip may have been behind this weekend’s leak to The Sunday Times? But first: Growing disgust, horror and fears as our leaders and mainstream media, from King Charles and Nigel Farage to Woke ITV and the British Bashing Corporation, refuse to utter the words Islam, Islamist, Islamic or Muslim on the 20th anniversary of 7/7. In his Digest Dan argues that a society that can’t even be honest about the threats to our lives can no longer protect itself from takeover and annihilation. Then the Superstar Panel weigh in: Susan Hall, the Conservatives London leader and Mayoral rival to Sadiq Khan who is now also a member of Restore Britain, and Peter McIlvenna of Hearts of Oak. PLUS: Sadiq Khan has been exposed as a liar and denialist on the rape gangs sweeping London. We’ll investigate. AND: An extraordinary row between JK Rowling and Owen Jones over what drugs the hard left loser was on during his car crash appearance THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: As Catherine, the Princess of Wales, shines at today’s State Visit from French President Emannuel Macron, it’s been revealed Meghan Markle is having to cut back on staff to save money. So what’s really going on? Our Royal Mastermind Angela Levin is here. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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No spend, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wood and this is Outspoken Live episode number 265. And breaking today, another Reform UK MP throwing on the scrapheat. The party is down to just four reps in Westminster again after James McMurdoch today quit to represent South Basildon and East Thurrock as an independent. Now he was pushed out by the party because of his alliance with fellow ousted MP Rupert Lowe. With suggestions, Reform's chief whip may have even been behind this weekend's leak to the Sunday Times. So I'll reveal all on the Reform civil war shortly.

But first, growing disgust, horror and fears as our leaders and mainstream media, from King Charles and Nigel Farage to Wokai TV and the British Bashing Corporation refuse to utter the words Islam, Islamist, Islamic or Muslim on the 20th anniversary of 7.7. July the 7th also taught us about the bravery and the resilience of ordinary people and in that there remains hope. Following that attack, just how difficult it was for anybody Muslim living in this country.

And I had friends that would sit on trains, and people would physically move away from them on trains. We've got to remind ourselves that what these terrorists seek to do is to drive a wedge between different communities. They seek to sow division and hatred and London stood united. In my digest next, I'll argue that a society that can't even be honest about the very real threats to our lives can no longer protect itself from takeover and annihilation. Then the superstar panel weigh in today, Susan Hall, the Conservatives London leader and mayoral rival to Sadiq Khan, who is now also a

member of Restore Britain and Peter McElvenna of the Hearts Evoke podcast. Also coming up on the show today, Sadiq Khan has been exposed as a liar and denialist on the rape gangs sweeping London, We'll Investigate, and an extraordinary row between JK Rowling and Owen Jones over what drugs the hard left loser was on during his car crash appearance with Piers Morgan. Then in the uncancelled aftershow on Substack as Catherine, the Princess of Wales, shines at today's state visit from French President Emmanuel Macron. It's been revealed Meghan Markle is having to cut back on staff to save the cash. So what's really going on? Our Royal Mastermind Angela Levin is here. You can sign up to watch

the Royal Uncancelled Aftershow on Substack. www.outspoken.live is the address. At the end of the show we're also going to be revealing today's greatest Britain and Union Jackass so do stay tuned for that but it's like choose your own adventure because you can vote for the Union Jackass right now in the live chat on YouTube. Here are your nominees Owen Jones nominated by Thomas W 3303 for blaming his excitable behaviour on his amphetamine medication from the NHS. Ed Davey nominated by Real McCas if he acted promptly to Sir Alan Bates's network, 13 people may have had a better hope in life instead of killing themselves because of the absolute hell they were put under. Davy should now

more so than ever resign in disgrace. That's of course as a result of the post office inquiry results revealed today. And Charlene White, nominated by Karen Hankey for sending her sympathy to Muslims in her tribute to 7.7 while failing to mention Islamic extremism, suicide bombers being the cause of the tragedy. Okay do stay tuned we will reveal our greatest British and Union Jackass at the end of the show and read your comments but now let's go! comments but now let's go! When you cannot utter the damn words, how can you even start to deal with the problem? The 20th anniversary of 7-7, a barbaric homegrown Islamic terror attack that killed 52 innocents on London tubes and buses has

shown to me just how far British society has fallen. So afraid of causing events, so concerned about this bullshit concept of community cohesion which trust me no longer exists in any of our big cities. The pathetic platitudes, talk of hope and positivity coming from the slaughter and avoidance of confronting the reality that Islam is out to destroy everything we have built has dominated talk from both the MSM and our political leaders. I have to be honest with you, I'm leading the show on it today because it has made me physically ill over the past 24

hours. As Dr Gadzad puts it, this is suicidal empathy, so I'm going to call it out. Because until our toothless and terrified leaders accept that there is an extreme ideology that wants to blow us up, both literally and and metaphorically then nothing is going to change. The attacks on our way of life are going to keep coming. As Basil the Great put it on X, the government and the monarchy are both acting like 7-7 attacks 20 years ago were a terrible accident. They were murdered by Islamic terrorists. Diversity is not our strength, it's our weakness. Islam is a religion religion of war not peace and you are all gaslighting the public So look, let me start today because I'm calling out this nonsense. So I'm gonna start with the corrupted MSM

This was the take last night of our state broadcast to the British Bashing Corporation The 7th of July 2005 was a dark day in Britain's history. But it shone a light on this nation's strengths, courage, fortitude, tolerance. Mark Easton, BBC News. No Mark Easton, no no no no no no. You still don't get it. Tolerance is what caused this, it's what still causes it. I was even more disgusted by Wokai TV and its left wing boss Tom Bradby. Now here, solemn ceremonies have been commemorating the mourning of terrorist carnage twenty years ago today that reduced London's busy transport network to scenes of bloodshed and chaos.

Many of you will remember it. The intention of the 7-7 suicide bombers was horrific in its simplicity kill and maim as many defenceless people as possible. 52 people died and more than 770 were injured in explosions that ripped apart three crowded tube trains and a double decker bus but as well as the depth to which extremists will go to carry out their hideous acts. July the 7th also taught us about the bravery and the resilience of ordinary people and in that there remains hope. Hope? Hope? What hope? But look it got worse because I watched that entire report on Wokai TV and there was not one mention of the words Islam, Islamist, Islamic or Muslim. Not one word. It was all just generalised as extremism. And remember, Wokai TV is the broadcaster so obsessed with the so-called far-right threat. Its star presenter, the truly despicable Charlene White, revealed on Loose Women what their real motivation is.

I just wanted to say one thing that sometimes is forgotten in the story is what it was like in the years, months, years, weeks following that attack, just how difficult it was for anybody Muslim living in this country. And I have friends that would sit on trains and people would physically move away from them on trains. And it was a really hard period for them. And so yes, we did have solidarity, we can't forget those for whom they were not afforded that solidarity. And of course, that approach is following the Guardian playbook that decided the real concern from Seven Seven is also for Muslims. We are in a dangerous place, was their headline. British Muslims on the fallout from Seven Seven attack 20 years on. Many feel counterterrorism policies and brazen Islamophobia have increased hostility

and isolation experienced by community. So do you remember the late comedian, Norm MacDonald, late great comedian who joked in 2016, what terrifies me is if ISIS were to detonate a nuclear device and kill 50 million Americans, imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims. We're literally there folks, we're literally there. Our so-called leaders have been just as reprehensible. Look, you know I spoke about King Charles yesterday, I don't like doing that as a monarchist but he used the anniversary to make a dig about always standing firm against those who would seek to divide us and trust me he's not talking about Islamist terrorists there he's talking

about people like me Tommy Robinson etc etc and then what about the appalling extremists London's failed Mercedes Khan who has previously admitted that he believes terror attacks are just part and parcel of living in a big city, just something that we have to put up with. And he spent an entire interview with Sly News yesterday and I want you to listen very carefully, listen very carefully because he spent this whole interview not once referring to the fact these terror attacks were Islamist. Today marks 20 years since that horrible horrendous day that shook London. We come together today to remember those 52 people whose lives were cruelly cut short by this cowardly act

of terrorism. Thoughts and prayers of all of us are with their families. We pay tribute to the emergency personnel, the transport workers, the ex-ordinary Londoners who came to the aid ran towards danger in a very brave, in a very brave way selflessly to support those who'd been injured. And we honour the survivors and bereaved who are coming together today. It's been 20 years but none of us can forget what happened that day. I remember as an MP being in Parliament frankly ringing my wife to check she was OK, she had checked that my siblings were OK, my nephews and nieces, my staff ringing around to make sure everyone you knew and

loved was OK, because most of us use the tube, most of us use the buses and none of us knew whether our family loved ones were safe, none of us knew whether there'd be further terrorist attacks on that day. What we did see though though, was some remarkable acts of kindness, of bravery. It's a reminder that, actually, London stood together. And we've got to remind ourselves that what these terrorists seek to do

is to drive a wedge between different communities. They seek to sow division and hatred. And London stood united, not just against the terrorists, but united supporting each other. I was a member of parliament for 11 years, I've been the mayor for 9 years. I meet on a daily basis members of Blue Light Services that literally run towards danger encouraging the rest of us to go towards safety. On that day you saw transport workers risking their own lives to support those that have been injured, but also

extraordinary civilians, being guardian angels, supporting those who have been hurt. And that's who we are. That's what London is all about. And the message we want to send today to anybody thinking about future cowardly acts of terrorism is you will not defeat us, you know, you'll not cower us, we will not forget those whose lives were cut short, those who to people, men and women, different backgrounds, we have had our thoughts and prayers, their families, but also we're resilient, we're stoic and we stand united. Look, I'm sorry everybody knew through that, I really truly am. I don't want to

listen to him either. But it was very important because notice how he spoke about everything possible other than Islam. Islamists, Islamic attacks, Muslims, it is the same thing. But guess what? The new look Nigel Farage even bottled it yesterday. He posted on X and I was actually hopeful when I just saw this post. The lesson of the 7-7 terror attack is that we must not allow extremist ideologies in our country. But as Benjamin Jones pointed out, no mention of the terms Islam, Islamist, Islamism, Jihadism or suicide bombing. Don't believe me, watch for yourself. Well it's 20 years since 7-7, 20 years since those barbaric, appalling events took place

in London and today everybody from the King Downwards is remembering the remarkable courage of those not just who work in the services in this country, not just police and ambulance and fire officers but also just ordinary civilians doing their bit to help others. And it is right that we remember that, but it's also right and what nobody has said is to remember why this happened, the fact that we've allowed extremist ideology to exist in our country. Tony Blair has said we're safer today than we were 20 years ago. Well I hope he's right but you'll find many of the organizations

that are allowed to spread this negativity and hate they're actually banned in many other parts of the world including in Arab countries. So yes we commemorate the day. We remember those who died and suffered. We remember the bravery of those that went to help them. But we must absolutely redouble our efforts not to allow extremism to flourish in our country. What type of extremism? Extremism, Nigel. That is weak, weak, weak, straight from the Zia Youssef playbook. But be warned, because you're now even being outflanked on the right by the Tories,

because credit to Hercammy Badenoch, the only major party leader to call a bloody spade a spade. Writing the service at St Paul's Cathedral was profoundly sorrowful, a painful reminder that Islamist terrorists still seek to destroy our way of life. They hate our liberty and our tolerance and their barbarism must never be allowed to change who we are. The public get it though. We're still terrified 20 years on because we know nothing has changed. Consider all the other Islamist terror attacks in the past two decades from Lee Rigby to Westminster Bridge to the Manchester Arena bombing to London Bridge to the Southport Massacre. Oh, but they of course refused to count that one. And it wasn't from the media, the political or elite class yesterday where

we heard sense over 7-7, but rather from ordinary Brits who live in terror on a daily basis. It seems to me that lessons that should have been learnt at that time haven't been learnt at all by the same political establishment that gaslights us by telling us how wonderfully united we are as a society. What are the lessons that should have been learnt that have not been learnt then? Is this the idea of cohesion. I mean, you know, let's not forget that a teacher in Batley is still in hiding precisely because of the same rancid Islamic extremism that caused those guys to blow themselves up 20 years ago. What should a government, this government, be doing in this field? Well, first of all, it has to deal with both external and internal threats. The question that the people have to ask is how many possibly other Islamic extremists have come ashore on rubber dinghies that we seem to be letting in?

Hold on, these people didn't come, no hold on, hold on. You say other, these people were born in the United Kingdom? Yes they were, that's what I say, there's an internal and an external. So the government actually needs to be to secure that which doesn't seem to be such a crazy idea, to actually secure our borders? Yes. And the other one, that it needs to keep a very, very close eye on both the demographic and the cultural rise of Islam as a whole in this country. There are certain fundamental tenets of living in a Western society.

One is the acceptance of free speech. Two is the acceptance of free speech, two is the acceptance of religious criticism, three is the acceptance that when you are in public you show your face to identify yourself. And thank God there are those in the independent media who get it. Bernie Spoforth, perstered on X, the sanitized wording from ministers is repugnant, so afraid of speaking the truth they can't even bring themselves to try. Lies were not lost, citizens were brutally and horrifically murdered by Islamic extremists. If you can't face it, you can't deal with it."

Charlotte Gill rightly added, Of 7.7 people keep saying things like terrorism will never succeed. But it is succeeding. We are less safe than we were 20 years ago and more likely to be jailed for complaining about our fears. Tributes from politicians are pointless when they don't do anything. But Paul Embry, and remember he's on the left but he's a sensible voice on the left, he senses a change coming, and I do too.

If God forbid, there were another 7-7 in this country, I don't think the reaction would be anything like as restrained as last time. The hate won't win and don't look back and anger platitudes just wouldn't work. People have had enough. They won't take lectures from an elite which has broken the country and facilitated deep social disintegration, but their nurtures don't let them divide us. I think again, because there has just been so much dishonesty, I need to remind us all what happened on 7-7. Four homegrown Islamists, three of Pakistani origin, carried out coordinated suicide bombings with 52 innocents killed and over 700 injured.

The attackers used homemade bombs made from hydrogen peroxide concealed in rucksacks detonated while sitting or standing among passengers making escape impossible for those nearby. The explosion on the No. 30 bus in Tavis Scott Square was so powerful that it tore the roof off the vehicle and caused horrific injuries, including decapitations. Victims died instantly in confined spaces. Many were killed in pitch black tunnels, trapped inside crushed smoke-filled carriages with body parts scattered around them. Some people had their faces blown off. In the immediate aftermath, some survivors had to climb over bodies and limbs in darkness and chaos to escape as emergency services took over an hour to arrive in some cases.

Three of the bombers left behind chilling suicide videos recorded in Pakistan declaring jihad and blaming the West for violence against Muslims. On the day that they were prepared to die for their religion, they hugged each other and smiled as they set out on their deadly mission. I won't say the truth of what happened because so many others will. As I told you yesterday, I was on the tube that day. It changed my life. And actually only two articles on 7.7 have resonated with me over the past 24 hours. And I just wanted to share a couple of key excerpts with you because I think it's important. Tom Slater in Spiked Online described the commemorations as a grotesque display of moral cowardice. He wrote, going by much of the commentary, you'd think this was a purely logistical security question. There's a long piece on the BBC website talking

about how the police and the security services were forced to up their game after the London bombings, the new powers they now enjoy as a consequence, the attendant concerns over civil liberties, the words Islamist and Jihadist do not appear once in the piece, even as it details the evolving extremist threat first posed by al-Qaeda and then the self-styled Islamic State. There is often a stubble refusal, a stammering hesitation to mention what flavour of extremism most menaces us, a cowardly tick that was skewered best by Morrissey, an extreme what? An extreme rabbit? It's a brazen attempt to change the subject. From murders to feelings. From the questions

the cultural elites would prefer not to discuss to things that are totally uncontroversial, like racism being bad. We are stuck in this loop for 20 years now. 7.7 wasn't just one particularly lethal attack, it marked the blood-soaked arrival of Islamist terror to Britain, the beginning of our horrifying new normal, in which jihadist killers periodically tried to blow up or stab us and our fellow citizens, soon to be followed by Woolwich, Westminster Bridge, Manchester Arena, London Bridge 1, London Bridge 2, Reading, David Amis' murder, Hartlepool. And yet the rise of this murderous, apocalyptic Islamist

cult that worships death, that hates the West, that hates us, as if the opinion-forming sets staring at their shoelaces while they mumble something about the far right being just as pressing a problem. This brain rot goes right to the top. Over these past 20 years Islamist terrorists have butchered 95 people in Britain. The racist right have managed three. Meanwhile, Prevent, our premier counter-extremism programme, routinely flags up more people for extreme right-wing views than for Islamism. At last count, potential Islamic extremists made up just 11% of referrals. Then Stephen Daisley in The Spectator wrote a piece headlined What was Missing from the

7-7 Commemorations. He said something was scarce if not absence in the commemorations of the 7-7 Islamist attacks yesterday. And that is the fact that these were Islamist attacks. The word did not appear in the Prime Minister's official statement to mark the anniversary. Keir Starmer commended the unity of Londoners in the face of terror. But what kind of terror? Far right, far left, the IRA, eco-warriors. The trouble is, if you specify the nature of the attacks, you

specify the nature of the perpetrators. They were Mohammed Sadiq Khan, born in Leeds, parents from Pakistan. Shehzad Tanweer, born in Bradford, parents from Pakistan. Haseeb Hussain, born in Leeds, parents from Pakistan. And Jermain Lindsay, born in Jamaica, family converted to Islam after settling in Yorkshire. That all were Muslim and all here as a result of immigration is purely coincidental and definitely not something we should learn any lessons from. The Prime Minister gives the game away in his statement when he says, Those who tried to divide us failed. We stood together then, and we stand together now against hate and for the values that define us of freedom, democracy and the rule of law.

Every last word of that is wrong. Islamists do not want to divide us, they want to dominate us. Their goal isn't us at each other's throats, it's their boots on our throats. Their goal isn't us at each other's throats. It's their boots on our throats They want they demand it if we allow them they will enforce our submission Now the superstar panel Delighted to have with me today Susan Hall. She is of course the leading Tory in London, fought London's failed mayor Sadiq Khan and did a very fighting job against him at the

last mayoral election, now also a member of Restore Britain and Peter McElvenna, the man behind the brilliant Hearts of Oak podcast. Now Peter, I didn't expect to be speaking about 7.7 for a second day. I sort of poured my heart out on this yesterday and spoke about my personal experiences on the day, how it changed my life. But then I started watching the mainstream media coverage of the commemorations. I started looking at what the politicians had to say about the 20th anniversary and I got so angry I just had to leave the show on it again today because I think it absolutely proves why our establishment and why our MSM are just so out of touch with the problem because they cannot even say what

the problem is. Well, Dan, you talk about superstar panel, but I thought that was a superstar opening and that completely laid it out. And I'm sure the viewers will absolutely appreciate that. And you're right, whenever for me, you need to have everything on the table whenever something happens. If you look at I love I'm an airplane buff, if you get an airplane crash then everything is looked at. Nothing is discounted until you come to the end and come to the conclusion of what caused that crash.

No one is allowed to hide something or miss something. Everything is going over again and again and again. You want to find out the reason. We have a problem in this country that we're not sure if we want to find out the reason. We have a problem in this country that we're not sure if we want to find out the reasons because it may be difficult and we may need to ask questions about how we engage with the community and society, whether we have ghettos in our country, whether certain groups of people actually are completely separate from others. There are huge questions about how our society moves forward together, integrated

or divided. So I guess this is a key issue and I think that it is often easier to act as if critics of Islam have some problem with Muslims as a people than it is to accept there may be some uncomfortable truth that Islam is different. Many commentaries have said the difficulty of Islam to integrate and the difficulty that we have Islam to be separate in the UK. We've seen this not in the UK but abroad. But of course, if you don't ask all the questions, you don't want to find out the answers. Sadly, none of our leadership want to actually find out the answers of why that happened to make sure it doesn't happen again. That's why you ask questions to protect yourself

from what happened again but of course there's a fear of what it may uncover that we may have an ideology or religion that maybe does not fit in as well to our society as we've been told it does. And Susan Hall, then we have your arch nemesis, Sadiq Khan, London's failed mayor, rabbiting on to sly news for over two minutes, the usual platitudes, but you just know he doesn't want to talk about what the real issue is, Susan, does he? He's living in denial. He can't. Well, you know what he's like. He's like this all the time, unfortunately. He skirts around everything. And I mean, Peter was also saying what I agree with. I mean, a lot of this is down to, oh, let's be careful, you know, community cohesion is vital, therefore we mustn't mention these various things.

I haven't seen any of that reporting that I've just seen at the beginning of your show, Dan, because I was working all day, but I was actually lucky enough to be at St Paul's and it was a truly lovely service. And I can understand why things weren't mentioned there about the perpetrators, mainly because it was a celebration, if you like, of the people that had survived and for the victims. But everything else you said is completely right. We're all scared of saying anything about any religion, about anything that might upset the community. And we've just got to start doing that. And when there is real problems with Islamic terrorism, we need Muslims in this country to start speaking up against it, because they will suffer from it. We've seen that happening, and the only way that they won't is if they start speaking up against it. And who's the most famous Muslim in the country? Sadiq Khan.

Did he speak up against it when he had a choice to do so yesterday? No, he didn't. And as I said, I mean, all of this is so personal for me. I attended one of the funerals of someone, a New Zealander who was blown up that day on seven seven. And I just, I just get so angry that 20 years on, we're still actually not able to actually really work out what the issue is. But of course, the King hasn't had a good couple of days, Peter McAlvenna, because then we move to the state visit with Emmanuel Macron and his trans wife Brigitte, who hopefully wasn't slapping him around the face on the plane

before meeting the Prince and Princess of Wales. And the Daily Telegraph informs us that the King at the banquet tonight, and okay, the speech hasn't been delivered yet, but I've got to read out. And as far as I can tell, Peter, there's been no pushback from the palace on this, is going to tell Macron that there are no borders between Britain and France. According to

the report in the Telegraph he says that they say King Charles will speak of the vital partnership between the two countries in the face of challenges emanating from multiple directions faced together as friends and allies and the key line is he says as friends and as allies we face them together. These challenges know no borders. No fortress can protect us against them this time. Our two nations share not only values but also the tireless determination to act on them in the world. Now, Peter, firstly, let me say I don't give a shit about Macron's joint address to Parliament today.

I actually think it's really disgraceful. It shames us that this little weasel who is actually enabling the invasion on a daily basis of our southern border, our response as a United Kingdom is to lay out the red carpet. I think it makes us pathetic and it totally represents everything that Stammer is about. So I don't give a damn. I don't give a damn what Macron has said this afternoon. He is a weasel. He does not want what's best for the United Kingdom. I do, however, care about the King saying that there's no borders, Peter. I mean the whole reason that we're in this disastrous state in terms of the invasion is because we've

acted like there are no damn borders. There is a border, there is absolutely a border between France and the United Kingdom and we've got to start protecting it, Your Majesty. Dan, there's only a border if you're a legal citizen and you want to travel law abidingly. Then there does happen to be a border as we have all found out, whenever you go for Eurostar or the ferry or a flight. But of course if you come in legally, no there isn't a border. And this has seemed to be, it would be phenomenal to try and find out conversations that have happened behind the scenes between the British government and the French government because they have agreed for this situation to continue.

Well, we pay the French to do something, they do nothing. Then we go back a year later, pay them more, so they will do something and they do nothing. And we are dumb enough to keep paying them money year after year because they promise they'll do something and don't do anything. So of course we have seen and of course these people, France is a safe country. As many times I have been maybe parts of Paris or less safe but that's because of the the Muslim ghettos in Paris. But most other places are fairly safe and these people can obviously stay there. It is a safe country and probably the maybe the seventh, eighth, ninth safe country they've been through on their way across Europe to get to the UK. But then the Senate Macron, he is a pathetically weak leader.

Remember in the last election, his party only got 87 seats out of 570 in the parliament last year. Marine Le Pen got 120. So you have this individual who got a sixth vote. In the European Parliament, they have five or six seats where Marine Le Pen is 25 or 26. They have minimal support and somehow the system has come together to make sure that their man will be in power. And they have him in power despite the lack of support, but of course he, him and Britain, whatever leader we have had in the UK, whether it's been Conservative or Labour, it's

been the same. This tact of agreement with France that we will let as many people in, we will not push them back and God forbid the Navy would push them back whenever they can act as a free ferry service or the RNLI. We kind of get angry about this in our newspapers and TV segments, but the anger quickly subsides for the next story and it's not enough to actually change how we think and how we do things as a nation. Breaking today, the Reform UK crisis has deepened with James McMurdoch, the party's fifth MP, now quitting to sit as an independent in parliament. That comes amid suggestions that I can reveal

Suggestions that I can reveal that Lee Anderson who is Reform UK's chief whip is facing suggestions that he may have leaked details of James McMurdoch's previous business dealings to the Sunday Times in an attempt to throw this MP under the bus and should we really give Reform UK the benefit of the doubt given that Zia Youssef reported Rupert Lowe to the police. The background to this of course is James McMurdock has been allying himself with Rupert Lowe. He's a member of his rape gang inquiry and I believe that talks were taking place for him to potentially join Restore Britain. Here is the post from James McMurdoch

announcing the decision, which I have to say does leave more questions than answers. Further to my statement tweeted on the 5th of July 2025, I have now had a chance to take specialist legal advice from an expert in the relevant field. In light of that advice, which is privileged and which I choose to keep private at this time, I have decided to continue my parliamentary career as an independent MP where I can focus 100% on the interests of my constituents. Now I spoke to a Reform UK source about that post today who suggested that James McMurdock may be admitting that there had been some impropriety in terms of his COVID business dealings but of course we don't't know that he denied that earlier in the week.

And just remember these allegations had been surfaced and had been widely available online for a year. Rupert Lowe has gone public saying, I will support James, my friend, however I can. In my view, he has been poorly treated and deserves better. I look forward to working with James in Parliament to deliver for our constituents and the wider country." Now, all this comes at a time where there is real concern on the right of British politics about reform UK. Sir David Starkey has become the latest to criticise the party for moving to the left. And I'll tell you what he has to say in just one moment. But first to my

superstar panel, Peter McElvenna of the Hearts of Oak podcast, and Susan Hall, who is of course the leading conservative in London. But but now and relevant to this story really Susan a member of Rupert Lowe's Restore Britain movement. Now Susan what's so fascinating for me about this and by the way congratulations for joining Restore Britain I think you're brave and it's brilliant that you have done so but of course it isn't a party is it so you are allowed as a member of the Conservatives and Kemi Badenok I believe has given her approval for you to be part of this movement or at least she has spoken publicly and said that she believes that you can be. So why would Reform UK be so sensitive about James McMurdoch potentially becoming a member of Restore Britain?

I really don't know and I don't know what they're playing at. As a politician you look at them and you think, why don't you just settle things down? You know, I mean, obviously as a conservative, and I will always be a conservative, you know, if things go wrong then perhaps that would be better as a conservative, but as a politician you think what on earth are you doing? You've got to have a stable party if you want to do anything and the MPs are all over the place and we've seen their councillors resigning. That should bring alarm bells really for people because you've got to have stability in politics. This is what we need. So I was shocked to see that today and very surprised. I mean, it will mean that they don't anymore have to look into,

you know, all of his business dealings. That's what we have to do now. But I just saw it when the message came through from you. I haven't actually seen the news today. I've been working. It's interesting, isn't it, Peter McAlvenna, the suggestion that this potentially could have been an inside job?

Lots of people speculating that Nigel Farage was never a big fan of James McMurdoch because you remember he had that previous assault conviction and Nigel almost viewed him as like a walking, talking failure of Reform UK's vetting policies. And then the suggestion that the leak to the Sunday Times may have come from within Reform UK itself, from Lee Anderson potentially, at least that is what is being discussed. I'm sure Lee Anderson potentially, at least that is what is being discussed. I'm sure Lee Anderson would deny that. But this is really dirty politics. This is really dirty politics, Peter.

And I just wanted to show you the conservatives on X have posted a lot can change in a year. The Nigel Farage is losing 40% of your MPs. It's got us asking the question, who's next? And Lee Anderson has very quickly hit back at that saying, didn't you lose 244 MPs this time last year? What's that in percentage terms? Which you could argue is a fair point, but the problem is no one is saying that the Conservatives governed particularly well over the past 14 years, but what we are needing is an alternative. And with this constant decision making by Reform UK to throw people under the bus who may provide some type of threat to Nigel Farage, who is going to be left? There would not be many left and losing two out of five isn't great. If Nigel wants to

be Prime Minister he will have to have 300 plus MPs, 330 if he wants a majority. How is Nigel going to keep 330 people together? Anyone who rises and is popular like Rupert Lowe will obviously be removed. Anyone who says something or joins a group that he doesn't like will certainly be removed. You can imagine how quickly that 330 would go down. So I don't know, Nigel has to change his focus and I don't think he's able to. He's been in politics so long. But the one thing he's failed to build up in politics, I think, is a thick skin. And you take whatever happens in politics and you go with it. You don't worry about the criticism because you're focused on doing what's right.

And yet, Niger reform, Nigel has rolled back on so many issues and seems to want to make himself some kind of Lib Dem so that he can actually try and suck in all the votes. He's still Nigel, he'll get the votes as Nigel. He wants to kind of go into the middle, not criticize or say anything that might cause offense to someone and therefore sucks in those votes. I think he's just doing all he can do to get to that line of 20-29 and get into 10 Downing Street. It's weird with James because James wasn't a threat. He's not extremely well known. He's got one of the smallest majorities, what's under 100 majority in Parliament. So he's not a very high figure, well

known, maybe a little bit different than Rupert. But simply joining a group that he hasn't been told he can't join. It was like some of the issues we had back in UKIP for the day, where people joined groups and been thrown out. It's like that chaotic feel back in the good old days of UKIP where it was funny. You weren't looking at actually being a number 10. Nigel is looking at number 10 and therefore seems to remove anyone that might stop that. at this rate, at this rate I mean well obviously he'll just be left with Lee Anderson who will do the dirty work and left with Richard Tice who doesn't say boo to anyone so just goes with it. I

assume it'll just be the three of them will just kind of float on to 2029. Well and Sarah Pochner who of course was a Tory until very very recently. It is funny though Rupert Lowe, he ain't taking any prisoners because he actually responded to Leah Anderson today saying to say, didn't you campaign for Jeremy Corbyn to become Prime Minister? And this is one of the big problems. You see, this is one of the big problems. Like if Reform UK is going to go down the path of criticising anyone who used to be in another party, well, the reality is, is that most of their members used to be Tories.

There's another big issue going on at the moment though, which is that they just want us all to sit down, shut up and trust them. No matter what they say, that is literally their approach. Don't worry your pretty little heads about it. We've got this. Just trust us. And Richard Tice even tried that approach with the great David Starkey. So David Starkey, which I don't think is going to work because David posted, if Reform UK turns the left as they're showing some signs of doing this country is finished. Richard's response, relax David, we are the party of common sense and growth, trust us. Well unfortunately no Mr Tice, that is not how politics work, you have to convince us that you're actually worth our trust and right now you're not. And I totally agree with everything that David Starkey said in his video, I want to play

you the key moment here. Unfortunately, reform is going down the deadly path of trying to outflank labour on the left. And this seems to me to be insane. There is no point in that sort of populism. What I think the real risk is that Farage could actually, if he continues with that, and I hope he won't, and I know there's some very much wiser people around him and trying to formulate policy, but if he continues in that direction there's a real risk he will be the British, the English Perron, the British Perron. We are very near to a Peronist state. And if you get the whole, as it were, it's almost blue labor, isn't it?

If you get faith, flag, and family combined with these radical redistributionist policies through heavy taxation and large scale welfare, it is the Perron mixture, which is taken merely, is taken literally, the chainsaw to begin to break down. And I am terrified of that. I think there's good reason for him to be terrified. Peter McElvenna. But Richard Tice just say, oh, just trust us. Just trust us. You know, when we're saying we're not going to do mass deportations, when we're

saying we don't worry about demographic change, when we're now saying that we want to lift the two child benefit cap, when we're saying that we're no longer a white wing party, just trust us. No, no, we're not just going to trust you. No, we weren't. And to ridicule David Starkey like that, to mock him, that is wow, wow. That's all I say. My poster Richard Heist would be wow, you've completely lost it. But with David Starkey saying there are smarter people around Nigel, maybe a listen, Nigel

doesn't need to listen to advice because he is Nigel. So why would he listen to any advice? That's the difficulty. I think with Rupert, and I know you've had Ben on before, you need to be open to listening to ideas. You need to be open to changing course. You need to be open to listen to people who know more about a subject than you. Now if you think there's no one else who knows better than you because you've been in this for a game for 30 years, then you have come up against a problem and you're not going to change. And I think that's the danger, the dangerous place that Nigel is in.

And I hope that David Starkey is right, that some people do nudge him to change course. But I think he's an old dog and I don't think he's going to learn new tricks. Suzan Hall, do you think the possibility with restore Britain is that it could become almost like the American Tea Party movement, which then led to the MAGA movement and then almost was part of a reverse takeover of the Republican Party? Do you think there's a possibility that what Restore Britain is trying to do, which is really push true conservative policies, true right-wing policies, move from this horrible middling centre-ground lib dem-type rubbish, could it come and almost take over your party, the Conservative Party, but in a positive way?

I don't think so. I think what Rupert is telling me that he wants to do is to just come out with some good policies and take it from there. If it at any point looks as if it's going to be a political party, I will move away because I am a Conservative. But as for Nigel Farage, I mean, I agree with both of you. It's bizarre what he's doing. And to start with, where he's positioning was to the right of the conservatives. And lots of people bought into that. I mean, working class labor bought into it. And it was common sense stuff and then he started shifting to the left and coming up with the to removing the two child cap. Now what this country needs more than anything else at the moment is people with fiscal responsibility. The Labour are absolutely going to be on their, well they're on their knees now because we've got a chancellor who doesn't know what she is doing.

And that will cost all of us. And whilst the Tories got so many things wrong, I accept that unreservedly. At the base of it all, financially, it could have been better, but it was far more stable. And we mustn't forget, we did have the pandemic. We had lots of issues during there that did knock us off course, but if if reforms start going out we'll give this away free, give that away

free, most people in this country actually stop to think actually can we afford that because look at the mess labour are in and that's all around finances. And if Nigel Farage isn't careful, he will prove that he just couldn't run the country because it's no good saying we'll give everybody everything they want because I wish life was like that, but we all know it's not. London's failed mayor Sadiq Khan has just been exposed by his propagandists at the British Bashing Corporation. This is an extraordinary story which the mainstream media has been ignoring for too long. Khan, who I believe is a hard left Islamist, has tried to deny the existence of rape gangs in the capital city whatsoever. I've known that it's been totally widespread and Susan Hall,

who is our guest today and who we'll hear from in just one moment, has publicly challenged the mayor on this, on the record, multiple times. And he has humiliated himself. And he has humiliated himself because that establishment organ, the state broadcaster, can no longer ignore what we have all known for so long. So how long can the Mayor watch? Police are investigating cases of children in London being criminally and sexually exploited and there is a mismatch between the ways the Met and London's local authorities recalled child abuse. But as Susan Hall posted on X, really? If you recall, Sadiq Khan pretended not to know what I was talking about when I quizzed him on it.

Now that's no exaggeration. I played this extraordinary clip here on Outspoken at the time because I was so disgusted by Sadiq Khan burying his head in the sand about what is one of the biggest crises facing the United Kingdom and one of the biggest cover-ups in British history. Watch. I asked you this question last week and you found every which way but not to answer it. Just how many grooming gangs have we got in London? Before any misunderstanding, can she define what she means by that? Yes, if you look at what's gone on in Rotherham, where there are people taking young girls,

grooming them for sex, that is what I'm talking about. Well, we know in London there are issues about exploitation of young people, but they're not as defined by the member in her definition of what those types of gangs are. So are you saying we haven't got the same sort of gangs that are in Rotherham, Bradford and lots of other places in the country? Just fully understand what she means by that. You know full well what I mean by that. It's all over the television. You know exactly what I mean by that. These gangs of people that are grooming young girls for sex, do we actually have those in London?

Do they? I'm unclear, Chair, what is meant by the question. If you could spell it out, I can answer. I've just spelt it out. Are you not listening? It's the sort of gangs that groom young girls at a young age for sex. Exactly how much clearer do you want me to be?

You, Mr. Khan, are not just a sanctimonious asshole, you are a danger to every young girl in London. You are a disgrace. And Susan Hall has proven that she is completely right. She has now exposed you as the scumbag you are. Watch. Some of you may have seen the videos that go around when I've been questioning Sadiq Khan as to whether there are any rape gangs in London. If you've seen those videos you will see that he won't answer. It is quite straightforward. Do we have rape gangs in London? It's a yes or a no or I don't know isn't it? That's if you want to be straight and transparent but we just get a whole load of waffle. Whatever it is, we need to know.

There are young girls in danger. And I'm absolutely appalled that the man that's in charge of the Metropolitan Police as the Crime Commissioner of London won't answer a straight question. Us Londoners deserve so much better than this. We do. We absolutely do. And if that woman were mayor, our city would be on the path to being saved, but it's going to be hard. Maybe we need a hard man to do it. Maybe that is the answer. Aunt Middleton is convinced that he is going to be that man to finally destroy Khan Watch. London used to be the crown jewel of the UK, you know, especially of Great Britain, especially of

England, you know, it set the example around that nation. You know, you go in there, you'd experience British culture, you go in there, you know, you as in England, you go in there, you'd experience British culture, you'd go in there, you'd know you was in England, you'd go in there, you would feel the pride, you'd feel the motivation, you'd feel the energy that fucking London gave you. None of that exists anymore. So for me, if I can do my part, there's a calling that I have to go back to the UK. And this time is not to serve my country, it's to serve the people. Because I can hear them screaming. I can hear them loud and clear.

Well delighted to have alongside Peter McAulvenna on the Superstar panel today. Susan Hall. Susan, it's bizarre, isn't it? That it's the British Bashing Corporation who have finally exposed Khan, but surely he can't ignore this anymore. Surely he can't go with this sanctimonious head in the sand act anymore. Do you feel vindicated? And by the way, look at the state of London.

Look at what he's done to London. I know. And actually... Heartbreaking. Oh, he really is, there was a tweet put out yesterday talking about reformers from earlier that said that and by Layla Cunningham who is a concert or well no, she was a Conservative councillor in Westminster and she's just gone over to reform and then they deleted the tweet.

So I don't know what reform we're up to. As for London, look at these pictures that are on the screen now. I mean, I honestly don't think Sadiq can't, I really don't. The police service, the Metropolitan Police are 240 million pounds short. So there's gonna be a lot less police officers

on our street. And yet, after the seven seven things he was saying we're building a safer London. Now you bloody well not not when you were not when our police needs so much more money there. And you've just bought the tweet up. Yes, I think that's one of the tweets I saw yesterday. But so I don't even know who reform are going to put up. But we do need to replace Sadiq Khan. He doesn't. I don't think he'll stand again, to be honest. But who knows what's going to happen in three years time. It's a shame I didn't win. I really care about London and I would have looked after it. And this city needs help. And Peter McElveen, how extraordinary is it when you see the mayor of London, where

there are rape gangs running rampant, literally play politics and pretend to Susan Hall that they don't even exist. He doesn't know what they are. I mean, this is a national scandal. How is that not leading the national news? Why are they protecting this guy? So basically, in that video, I've seen numerous times and well done, Susan, for pushing the mayor. And it's made me more angry than anything I've seen in the last six, eight weeks that I can remember. And it gets, you feel the anger rising whenever the mayor refuses to actually recognize that girls are being raped by gangs of Muslim Pakistani men.

And he just thinks this is a game. He thinks it's a joke. I mean, even Jess Phillips, if I can apologize for using the name Jess Phillips, even Jess Phillips said at the beginning of the year that there are grooming gangs in every part of the country. I think she was talking to Sky News and she said there are organized gangs in every part of the country. We've had police officers saying this is happening in towns all across the country. This has been going

on for 50 years and I've been surprised that actually no one has talked about London in the midst of this. I remember back when I was in with Peter Whitlam and David Curtin back in the UKIP days in City Hall and we did an FOI, freedom of information, to all the councils asking them about grooming gangs, how many cases were they following up, how many individuals were involved in this. And I think all of them except two said nothing at all, nothing at all, nothing to see here, move on.

If they refuse to recognise this as a problem, we've had over 500 individuals arrested, we've had in what, 40 towns across the country, we've had 85 odd trials. This is on and on. Every week you read about another case of another group that's been arrested for historic sex abuse and these are Muslim Pakistani rape gangs. Again, let's have a conversation about what this is and the problem is when you can't have a conversation you can't address it. But it is sickening that the mayor of London thinks this is a game. This is semantics. This is girls who are being raped. This is not about words or semantics, but this is about the safeguard of every girl in the UK. And yet Sadiq Khan thinks this is just fun.

I know. I actually wanted to read you a letter that a guy called CJ Strand sent me. He's a sometimes writer at the Daily Sceptic, but he just had spent the weekend in London and he sent me an email about it. And I asked his permission to read it on the show, but he hadn't written it expecting that I was going to read it in the show on the show. He was just so horrified about what he had seen when he came down to London. So let me read it to you. It really is worth listen, he wrote afternoon mate, I'm just back from London last night, I was down to see Iron Maiden with 75,000 other Patriots at the London stadium and it was a hell of a gig. Now, as you know, I live on a hill farm in Northumberland, but you might not know that I lived in London from 1999

to 2007 and my wife and I were essentially Londoners for those years. I used to head down for work weekly up until lockdown but have only been down a handful of times in five years. I didn't recognise the city. On Sunday we headed to the Canopy Market at King's Cross for lunch and the whole area was heavy and it was a great example of the vibrant diversity can bring with amazing foods. I even gave the Queer Brewing Company because their beat was pretty decent even if their politics are disturbing. But I had questions. One, how do all these people afford this lifestyle? Just travelling around for a couple of days, a few bits of street food and a few beds, £200 not including the concert tickets, yet there were thousands out on the streets. Two, I went out of my way to speak to the stall holders at King's Cross.

One Sikh chap sells his mum's superb samosas. I asked him if he was busy, he shook his head, taking downs by half versus last year, struggling with increased employment costs, said people seem to be saving their money, said stalls are packing up slowly but surely. Three, when I got to Newcast, I couldn't help contrast the cities. I don't think the gap in culture or wealth has ever been as stark as it is today, Dan. It's literally the hunger games. We have a frivolous metropolitan progressive population of global young people and wealthy British liberals having a lifestyle provided by the cheap labour of migrants. Meanwhile, outside the capital,

we have millions who are struggling, who are hated by the same metropolitan types, who no longer hide their contempt and whose views on everything from economics to religion to abortion are polar opposite. I was taking David Betts' forecast of inevitable civil war with a pinch of salt, but after this weekend, and with the Glastonbury incident, I think he might be right. London is a foreign country, and the majority who live in it in our media and government and civil services are completely out of touch with the reality in the regions and nations. Does Stammer even realise that Scottish nationalism is being swept aside by a resurgence in unionism, unionism fuelled by anger, or that his immigration policies have finally united

Catholics and Protestants in Ulster? You show remarkable foresight to see this despite living in London. Yes, the concert was fantastic. No one can accuse Iron Maiden of being out of touch with their fans of all ages. A lot of Sikh guys there as well. Union flags everywhere, no politics at all. But London is a fantasy land. It's become a playground of those who can afford to live there. I look at the rural area I live in, the struggling farmers, the pubs folding, the lack of work, the lack of infrastructure and transport, and I look at London and despair. Many compare the modern West to Germany in the 1930s, but Spain 1936 is far closer. A hard left government starts to side with violent anarchists and ignore the murder of priests

and nuns and businessmen. Indeed, in places they encourage it. The conservative right, which is 80% of the country in all towns, villages and rural areas, rebels. The narrative in the West is the brave Republicans versus the fasc, the reality is the fasc were exasperated and the appalled centre. Francesco Franco was loyal to the Republic until the state ignored and encouraged murders. He was a Christian Catholic centre-right conservative. If you look at the UK today we have a similar division. An utter breakdown in everything between the opinions of the metropolitan left and the rest of the nation. I think the only way to possibly save this

situation is for the capital to move to York and for London to become a city state, paying a charge to the UK but politically removed from the nation. This cannot persist and I worry for my children as they reach adulthood over the next three years. Great show today as always. I wanted to share my perspective with you as an ex-Londoner attorney, I was shocked. Susan Hall, your response. Well, I live here. I'm a Londoner. I recognize far too much of what you've just read out. I think the trouble is Starm is completely out of touch. He lives in his little bubble of socialist left wingers. I mean, the Greens are really up and coming in London as well, and they're as bad as Starmer. You

know, if you go into London, there's nothing but demonstrations all about foreign countries the whole time. You know, I want people to concentrate on our country. I want Sadiq Khan to concentrate on London He spent he's like star me spend so much time abroad, you know telling people about climate change when they've just gone there and back On an airplane. He went off to Brazil the other day telling everybody what to do for climate change Then he comes back and now he's off to Africa. I believe in a few weeks time You know stay here when you've got problems and sort your own area out and Khan should really roll up his sleeves and try and do something for London because very sadly that what you've just read out is too true.

It's a very sad state of affairs for the city that I have lived in now for 21 years. And I do want it to be saved, and I think it could be saved, but mark my words, Siddiq Khan is absolutely behind its destruction. Breaking right now, an extraordinary row has broken out between JK Rowling and Owen Jones over what drugs the far left loser was on during his total meltdown with Piers Morgan on the Uncensored show where he was destroyed over the issue of Bob Villain. Now this has led to some extraordinary headlines. Owen Jones blames drugs for Morgan Interview Bomb, but insists I wasn't on cocaine.

A lot of this was prompted by J.K. Rowling, who responded to A Punter on X, who had said someone's feeling energetic responding I've never seen film footage before where only one character has been sped up to 30% of natural speed. Jones replied I've got ADHD Joanne it comes with the territory now we've cleared that up. What's the explanation for the world's number one women's rights defender saying zero, zilch, nada about the impact of Israel's genocide on Palestinian women? He went on, and given J.K. Rowling decided

to amplify false claims that I take cocaine before going on TV. I wasn't on cocaine, no, I was on amphetamines, specifically ill Vance, 40 milligrams, courtesy of the NHS. It helps ADHD, but it's not a miracle drug, so sadly doesn't cure fast talking or clumsiness. So he has admitted to being on a form of speed during this total embarrassment with Piers Morgan, but says that it is for clinically diagnosed ADHD. Well, I'll get the response from the superstar panel, Peter McAlvenna and Susan Hall in just one moment But first let me just take you through

This car crash interview and why there have been so many shall we say concerns? Fears for mr. Jones who just didn't look well at all Believe the people in the audience I do not believe thousands of people attending Glastonbury were supporting that. And what I find actually even more grotesque, to be honest, and this is what I find grotesque, that view, which I don't support, I don't support killing anyone, which is what IDF soldiers shouldn't be sent into Gaza to kill and therefore be killed. Hang on, let me agree. No, your guests... You don't believe in killing, I agree with you. Your guests, who you treat as respectable people, are

not the ones who are going to be killed. They are the ones who are going to be killed. Hang on, hang on, then we agree. No, your guests... You don't believe in killing. I agree with you. Most your guests, who you treat as respectable people who come on this show, have more extreme views than he does. No, if I... No, because if I was Israel... I'm asking a question.

If I was Israel, I would create a single state... So what would you have done? Nothing? Well, what I would have done is, if I was... Suddenly the Israeli state... Yeah. Probably what I would have done is dealt with the underlying causes of what happened and said... Right, but you wouldn't have responded to that. Well, you would send the soldiers in the here and now to prevent... Where?...civilians on the borders.

On the borders, they failed to defend because they were in the West Bank committing a pogrom at the time, Piers. But the... But you wouldn't have gone after the people that did it? If you'd been... Well, they... Everyone who commits war crimes needs to be held and sent to justice. The international't have gone after the people that did it. Everyone who commits war crimes needs to be sent to justice. That's not my question. No, but the international criminal... Do you believe that Israel had a right to defend itself?

Gaza, as you know, under international law, wasn't another state. It's occupied legally as per international law. But all the terrorists came from Gaza? He doesn't look well. He doesn't look well at all. But maybe it's just all of those terrible views which have finally sent him mad. But I mean, even Piers at one point seemed to be seriously concerned. I haven't exterminated the Vassmjot either, hey? I prefer to wait. Sorry.

You're right. I'm to wait. You're right. I'm getting excited. You're getting nervous, aren't you? Very excited. Peter McElvenna, Susan Hall with me now. I mean, Susan Hall, this is a guy who's made a lot of TV appearances, right? Very odd that he's gone out there and openly admitted, yeah, I was on speed. You know, I was on speed. That's totally fine because I wasn't on cocaine. Yeah, and I just love JK Rowling. I really do.

I think she's fantastic. And she didn't actually say he was, did she? She just said everything was going quickly. I mean, I'm at disadvantage in as I have never taken drugs, so I don't know what they do to you. But there was certainly something really wrong with him there but I can't stand him anyway to be perfectly honest. What did you think Peter? Well I share so I actually have and I was always worried when I grew up about whether you take drugs what might happen so I got scared thinking of them. But then there's not a confession show that way. When you watch it's so strange because Owen Jones, you're right,

has been on so many shows, maybe he should stick to writing books. I don't know if, I guess his strangeness maybe doesn't come out in books as much as it does on screen. And he says, Peter, I'm getting excited. I mean, I will very much side with Israel but concerned of what is happening, but no part of me gets excited about what is happening. Was he excited that you're talking about people being killed? Is that what kind of he gets off on? It's so weird.

It's a topic that's very depressing in a way because many people are getting killed and it's difficult to see a way out of it. But of course for Owen Jones he can say, well one side is perfect but I want to ask, what would you do? Again, I love when a journalist, I don't have much time for Piers Morgan, but when a host like that asks someone, well what would you do? Because I think often you can just comment on things.

It was a great question. But of course he didn't have a solution. He could have given some ideas. Of course what he would do is remove Israel. That's really what he wants. And then everyone can be without a Jewish state. That's really where Owen's at, butari didn't have the guts to say that. But it's frustrating whenever you take the side of a group that committed the act of 7th of October, pure evil.

And it's like growing up in Northern Ireland, if someone said, well, the IRA, you know, what's wrong with them? Why are the British Army in order of the IRA? Well, because they're blowing people up. Now, of course, you may say they're false on both sides, but it put bombs in shopping centers, which is what the IRA did as I was growing up. But to actually not be angry at those who have carried out the evil, but be angry at the state that has to respond to that and to be excited about death and destruction and violence and chaos and war is a very weird So I think he needs to be taking other medication to really calm him down instead of getting him excited about it

Very very weird. I totally agree. And the thing is Susan Hall This is like not a normal human being like can we just stop? Treating him as if he should be totally stop treating him as if he should be totally considered to be on the mainstream of politics. He was so sexist and vile to those women within the Guardian and Observer, some really good women there as well, like Suzanne Moore and Hadley Freeman, for example, that they were forced out of that newspaper. Like this is a very, very, very nasty man. And don't you just find it extraordinary, Susan, that people like him on the hard left are constantly platformed in the mainstream media when if you look at the right, it's the total opposite where people who I think are really moderate like Rupert Lowe are treated as extremists, whereas Owen Jones

still pops up all the time on the BBC and Wokai TV. Well, he does and he has and he always has and I've never liked him. I've always thought he was fairly extreme. But of course, the BBC and the others just they just do they go to him for common. And I doubt that they would go for Rupert Lowe for comment. I mean, thank goodness for, you know, people like yourselves and the new media that is looking towards the right and giving us airtime. Because in years gone by, I used to just despair because everything was so one sided. But he's objectionable in my eyes. Let's put it that way. Yeah. I mean, and by the way, it's not that I am suggesting that he should

be deplatformed. You know, I'm the opposite of that. Like I believe sunshine is absolutely the best disinfectant, but it's like, I'm sorry, if you're going to allow Owen Jones on, then you must also allow Tommy Robinson on, you know, like this is the problem, but they don't. And they have a total hypocrisy when it comes to that. Now Jones, one of the reasons I think was so out of control on that show, not just the speed was also because his whole argument in regards to Bob Villain. And the fact that actually Bob villain, you know, that idiot who went to Glastonbury, I mean, total loser guy. And again, I'm with you, Peter, like I'm not someone who thinks that, oh, we should be locking these people up. You know, you I'm a free speech absolutist, but the point is Owen Jones had been trying

to paint Bob Villain as some type of peace loving guy and Piers Morgan just humiliated, he just destroyed him. Watch what happened. They were allied, many of them to the Bosnian Serbs who had huge amounts of sympathy for. They said it wasn't a genocide. Is it a genocide? I believe it was. Okay, do you think the Rohingya, is that a genocide in Burma? They haven't exterminated the vast majority of the Rohingya. I prefer to wait. Sorry. You're all right.

I'm getting excited. You're getting nervous, aren't you? Very excited. But look, let's just conclude with things we agree about. OK. Right? Is your position now about Bob Villain, given what we just watched, that when he's charged death to every single IDF soldier, you would condemn that? I don't support Ken. I don't want any soldiers to be killed. The way to stop that is to stop IDF soldiers committing genocide.

And just to clarify, in light of what we've just seen, would you now withdraw your defence that he was only talking about? Well, his statement... His statement was obviously not correct. He didn't say that. But as I said... Did you wish you hadn't defended him now? Well, I wouldn't have defended him on the basis of his statement. Well, you said he was only specifically talking about the entity, not people. Well, that's what he said, Pete. But obviously...

But that's what people would have... But he lied to you, didn't he? The statement's not true. But I have to say, I'll say, Beers, he's less extreme than most of your guests, because your guests... That's a different argument. No, it isn't. It isn't. Because you don't show... I take them on. Have you watched my show?

Yes, and you don't show... Have you watched me taking on the Israeli guests recently? You treat those Israeli guests as having respectable views. You always have. In the first... Have you watched him the last two months? In the first month... Have you watched the show?

Do you support it? I don't think you've been watching the show, have you? I don't... Why don't you ask Israeli Twitter, or Zionist Twitter, what they think of what I've been doing on the show? Do you support it? I don't think you've been watching the show, have you? I don't normally... Why don't you ask Israeli Twitter or Zionist Twitter what they think of what I've been doing on the show? All the way through... You would know exactly how I've been treating the pro-Israel government guests. In the first month... And you wouldn't be saying this. In the first month... You haven't watched, have you? Be honest. I've watched many of your guests who are pro-Israel... Did you watch the interview? Did you watch the interview? who were pro his role. Did you watch the interview? Did you watch the interview?

I mean, Peter, it's sort of like two narcissists, isn't it? Competing. I couldn't have said it better myself. It is. You can see Owen has no answer to the questions and he starts in like an argument about something completely different. I would love to see him with Douglas Murray. The two of those, that would be phenomenal. I'm sure Owen would run out crying probably after five minutes or say he needed his drugs to be able to cope. But Douglas Murray on one side, that's you on a reasoned debate with some passion, but not over the top craziness. And Owen seems to be very much of a lightweight. I'm wondering what is the purpose of him? I'm not actually sure.

Maybe some people buy his books. But on Bob Villain, I would love to have, I think Bob Villain should have that opportunity. I think we should do a crowdfund and we can send him to Gaza and by all means he can go and take on an IDF soldier. He would actually come out very well. Oh, I would absolutely be supporting that crowd funder. I think what the issue was, of course, is that all of these old clips now are coming out of Bob Villain and like what he said I'll just show you

this one last part because what Bob Villain has said is so much worse than anything Lucy Connelly said again let me just stress it's not that I think Bob Villain should be locked up but we have to smash this two-tier society if Lucy Connelly is in prison if Wayne O'Rourke's in prison, if Judy Sweeney's in prison, then why is Bob Villanot? Watch. When people say the NHS will die, literally they say the NHS will die without reform, are they saying that they're going to be the mass murder of doctors and patients? To be clear, when you watch that rapper at Glastonbury chanting and leading a chant with thousands joining in of death to the IDF, you instinctively believe... He said it himself. He said it. Oh no, he said it

since. So you accept then that the rapper was talking about soldiers? No. You don't? People call for the death of the Russian army all the time. Do you believe him 100%? Yes. When he said death to the IDF, he didn't mean individuals... Do you believe that? Well, he's actually unlike... This is the irony. Do you know what the irony is? Well, just answer my question first. Yes, I do. Because new footage has emerged. And death to every single IDF soldier out there as an agent of terror.

I've known you a long time. I have a lot of respect for you. You just have to admit, when you hear that, you were wrong to defend him in the way you defended him. He didn't mean... People I was defending... He didn't mean IDFV entity. But do you accept now that you were wrong? He didn't mean that. We both... I didn't hear. I've only heard for the first time. You've heard that. So now you've heard that, do you still say he only meant the entity?

Well, no, obviously now he's made clear what he meant. So you accept you were wrong? Well, yeah, because obviously... I know, I'm not saying you should have known. I'm just saying that I found the defence very disingenuous by everybody, and I felt what he'd done, and this has now been proven, I think, he'd gone on social media, he'd seen people coming up with this ludicrous defence that he only meant the entity, and then, knowing what he'd said on stage, so knowing what he said on stage, he issues a statement saying the complete opposite

that he's meant for people like you defending him. And now he's made all of you look like complete prunes. Susan Horne. Susan Horne, he is a complete prune, isn't he? Oh, my goodness, how wonderful. I hadn't seen any of that. Yes, I mean, he is a lightweight. You just said it down. He's a complete lightweight. The problem is that people like that defend people like that. I've forgotten his name now, that ghastly man at Glastonbury. And you can't defend that. And with regard to the people in prison at the moment for the things that they've said, and then you look at that, it's two-tier again, isn't it? We go back to why

everybody is so cross about everything. The Brits love fairness, you know, even if they think, oh, you know, but at least that's fair. None of this is fair. And we're going into more and more situations that the British do not think is fair. Totally. The problem is, I think, for our side of the argument is it can sometimes be a little bit too easy to say, lock them up too. Do you know what I mean? Whereas actually what we should be saying is no, no, no, let's protect free speech altogether. That's why I think the movement that has developed behind Lucy Connolly has been quite a wonderful thing. But what a wonderful superstar panel today.

Susan Hall, keeping Sadiq Khan honest in London. And my God, we need someone to do that, Susan. So I know it's difficult. I don't know how you sit there and face that absolute horrible man each week, but you've got to do it because he's vulnerable at the moment. We've seen that with that BBC reporting and Peter McIlvain, a host of the Hearts of Oak podcast, which I think I'm going to be appearing on later in the week, which I'm very excited about. So thank you both so much and thank you for your feedback as well.

By the way, we're going to be revealing the winners of Greatest Britain and Union Jackass in just one moment. But first to your comments, Joyce Martin said, and this is on the whole 7-7 debate. I just wonder how much tolerance the UK can afford. Oh, my goodness, I agree. It's that use of the word tolerance, isn't it? Bowser Head teacher said, we are unsafe on our streets. We are unsafe on our subways. We are unsafe on our subways? We are unsafe on our cities? Is there anywhere in Britain

today where we are still safe? Karen Edmonds said, the South Port reaction said it all. If we get an Ariana Grande or 772.0 I fear what the public reaction may be from Richard B. Why do I have to be cohesive with legal immigrants? I do not wish this government to import in the first place. I saw through Islam 20 years ago. I saw all of this coming. Scotty John said Khan needs to be investigated. That level of disregard is suspicious from Jan C as a Londoner who knows what London used to be as a great city. I cry for how they've totally wrecked it. And Jenny Chilton is with me, by the way, on this Macron issue. She says, it's laughable that we're giving Mr. and Mrs. Mr. I thought

that was a typo, but it wasn't't Jenny you're just very funny and brilliant. It's laughable that we're giving Mr. and Mr. Macron a state visit when France is taking our money and laughing at us. Very good, very good Jenny you got me there hilarious. Okay time to reveal today's greatest Britain and Union jackass the nominees Owen Jones nominated by Thomas W 3303 for blaming his excitable behavior on his amphetamine medication from the NHS. Ed Davey nominated by Real McCast because if he acted promptly to Sir Alan Bates's letter, 13 people may have had a better hope in life instead of killing themselves because of the absolute hell they were put under. Davy should now more

so than ever resign in disgrace and Charlene White nominated by Karen Hankey for sending her sympathy to Muslims in her tribute to 7-7 whilst failing to mention the Islamic extremism suicide bombers being the cause of the tragedy. Three very strong nominees and the results are in. In third place with 23% of the vote it's Ed Davey. The runner-up with 26% of the vote Charlene White but the overwhelming winner today's Union Jackass with 51% of the vote it's the bloke on speed, Owen Jones. And today's greatest Britain, it could only be one man, Lord

Norman Tebbit, nominated by Darren Donaldson, who has because he has died aged 93, another one gone from that special generation. And of course, Lord Norman Tebbit has so much credit as one of those unflinching allies of Margaret Thatcher but of course it was his response to the Bryson bombings that really proved what an incredible patriot and brave man he was. So rest in peace, Lord Norman Tivet. Coming up in the uncancelled aftershow on Substack is Catherine, the Princess of Wales shines at today's state visit from French President Emmanuel Macron. It's been revealed Meghan Markle is having to cut back on staff to save money, so what's

really going on? Our Royal Mastermind Angela Levin is here. By the way, it has just been confirmed while we have been on air that Catherine will be attending the state banquet tonight for the French president, which means tiaras folks. So that's very exciting. We'll have all of that on the Royal uncancelled after show tomorrow. The way to get it first and live on demand is at substack www.outspoken.live.