Dan Wootton Outspoken - DOUGLAS MURRAY HITS OUT AS PUBLIC FURY GROWS ABOUT MSM LIES OVER SOUTHPORT MASSACRE

Episode Date: January 24, 2025

Go to https://ground.news/outspoken to see through media bias and stay fully informed. Subscribe through my link for 40% off unlimited access this month. The British public is turning against the MSM ...after the revoltingly tone deaf and frankly completely untrue coverage of the Southport Massacre cover up, especially regarding the Islam extremism motivation of Axel Rudakubana. In his Digest, Dan outlines the lies that the legacy media and political establishment are yet again using to try and divert from the truth about how they have put us all at risk. Then he’s joined by the leader of the Social Democratic Party William Clouston. PLUS: Are we about to finally discover the truth about the assassinations of JFK, RFK and MLK as Trump opens the files? AND: And why are Chris Martin and Coldplay so embarrassed to be white, middle class and English? THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Prince Harry’s biographer Angela Levin is here to analyse the bombshell claim from Charles Spencer that his sister Princess Diana would be proud of the Duke’s deranged war on the Free Press. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. To watch the exclusive Uncancelled After Show for 30-minutes extra content EVERY weekday, sign up at: https://www.outspoken.live LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for new videos every day:    / @danwoottonoutspoken   ---------- Today’s Sponsors: GROUND.NEWS - Go to https://ground.news/outspoken to see through media bias and stay fully informed. Subscribe through my link for 40% off unlimited access this month. INCOGNI - Take back your personal data with Incogni! Use code OUTSPOKEN at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: http://incogni.com/outspoken SURFSHARK - Go to https://surfshark.com/outspoken for an extra four months of Surfshark at an unbeatable price VERSO - https://buy.ver.so/outspoken - Use code OUTSPOKEN to save 15% on your first order. MANSCAPED - https://manscaped.com – get 20% off + free shipping with the code Outspoken. ---------- Dan Wootton Outspoken is fan funded through monthly and one-time donations: https://www.outspoken.live ---------- Join Dan's Substack community: https://www.danwoottonoutspoken.com ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast... Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltone... ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan?... Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook:   / danwootton   Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/... #DanWootton #DanWoottonOutspoken #news #outspoken Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 no spin no bias no censorship i'm dan wootton this is outspoken live episode number 148 please click and subscribe your last chance to do so this week and you'll be then alerted to all of our live shows uncancelled interviews royal specials the whole works if you turn on the notification bell that is breaking right now the british public turning against the msm after the revoltingly tone deaf and let me be frank completely untrue coverage of the southport massacre cover-up, especially regarding the Islam extremism motivation of Axel Rudikabana. Sly News was caught red-handed attempting to conceal the truth. Look out in my mind. Had people done their job better in the last few years in relation to this man, those girls would still be alive. She doesn't want you to hear the truth. But like me, Douglas Murray
Starting point is 00:01:11 will not be silenced. He was an Islamist terrorist and he had in his possession, not just ricin, but al-Qaeda training manuals. In my digest next, I'll outline the lies the legacy media and political establishment are yet again using to try and divert from the truth about how they've put us all at risk. Then I'm joined by the leader of the Social Democratic Party, William Cluston. Also coming up on the show today, will British politics have a MAGA moment? Are we about to finally discover the truth about the assassinations of John Fitzgerald Kennedy, RFK and Martin Luther King Jr. as Trump releases the files. And why are Chris Martin and Coldplay so embarrassed to be white, middle class and English? I'll show you the craven apology they made on stage in India later on in the show.
Starting point is 00:02:20 Then in the uncancelled after show today, Prince Harry's biographer Angela Levin here to analyse the bombshell claim from Charles Spencer that his sister, Princess Diana, would be proud of the Duke's deranged war on the free speech. I certainly have my doubts. I certainly have my doubts on that. But you can watch it on Substack, by the way, because that is where we now broadcast the after show exclusively live daily and on demand. There's my Substack front page. All you need to do is enter your email address, hit subscribe. It is the best way to avoid censorship really from big tech platforms. And your support means a lot to me. Of course, if you can consider the monthly paid subscription from £5 UK plus VAT a month, I'd be very grateful. But actually, the most important thing is just sign up.
Starting point is 00:03:11 Let's just build that relationship. www.outspoken.live is the address to do so. But now, let's go. So I don't know about you, but I literally feel like I've been living in a parallel universe the past 24 hours. Any time I am exposed to the corrupt and crooked mainstream media coverage of Axel Rudikabana. Sadly, my prediction came true. The Southport massacre cover-up didn't end with his guilty plea, the court case or yesterday's 52-year sentencing. Because the usual suspects in the establishment are doing everything other than deal with the actual facts at hand. And when some facts are presented to them, they do all they can to quite literally
Starting point is 00:04:08 cut them off. Look out in my mind. Had people done their job better in the last few years in relation to this man, those girls would still be alive. But it wasn't just Sarah Jane Mead or Sly News responsible for this, even though they were the ones caught out. The BBC, the British bashing coverage, has been typically thick, or at least it treats us as if we are thick. However, in my judgment, his culpability for this extreme level of violence
Starting point is 00:04:43 is equivalent in its seriousness to terrorist murders whatever his purpose. The Taylor Swift dance class was billed online but it's not known what Rudi Cabana's reason was for targeting it particularly. Do you know anything about why he chose that event? My hypothesis all the way through this was that obviously he had seen it advertised somewhere I don't know why he picked it. And that is one of the questions that the family is desperately wants answering. Why? Why HeartSpace? Why an event where it was just young ladies, just young girls? And was it because of their vulnerability?
Starting point is 00:05:18 And that piece of the evidence I've not been able to find throughout this investigation. I want to scream. I want to scream. I mean, why? What could it have been? I mean, the Al-Qaeda training manual, the rice and production, the conversion to Muslim behind bars and Balmash. Was that not enough of a sign?
Starting point is 00:05:35 But this is diversion on steroids with the British Patching Corporation allowing Dale Vince to blame social media on question time with no pushback. The discussion so far has kind of overlooked what I think to a large degree is the root cause or a big contributing factor, which is social media. I think this guy was radicalized to a considerable extent by content on social media. He got his al-Qaeda manual from social media, his recipe for ricin. He watched violent videos on social media. And got his al-Qaeda manual from social media, his recipe for rice, and he watched
Starting point is 00:06:05 violent videos on social media. And Keir Starmer talked this week about the rise of violent content on social media. And I think one of the biggest things we can do to prevent this happening in the future is to control social media properly. And we don't do that at the moment. I think the platforms run by Musk and Zuckerberg, for example, are promoting extreme content, extreme views. Musk is trying to interfere in our democracy now through his platform X. And, of course, the guy got his murder weapon from Jeff Bezos. You look at these three tech giants of the world, and we don't control social media well enough. We talked earlier about how we've got to keep pace with AI.
Starting point is 00:06:44 We haven't kept pace with social media well enough. We talked earlier about how we've got to keep pace with AI. We haven't kept pace with social media. It's a supernatural force. It's outside of the boundaries of our nation, but it has a really big impact. And after the event, after the terrible event, Musk stoked the riots with content on social media. The insufferable, the insufferable Paul Brand on Wokai TV had his usual agenda. It was the night that social media created anti-social madness on the streets of South Portland. They hurled bricks and fireworks, fuelled by accusations thrown online. Police in riot gear left trying to contain violence that even they feel now could have been countered in other ways. I felt in the events following the 29th of July
Starting point is 00:07:35 that I wanted to be able to say more around the misinformation and disinformation. There's a real need to look at this criminal justice process and as we know, the Law Commission have already started that piece of work. I mean, it's just utterly ludicrous. It is utterly ludicrous to think that it was misinformation and disinformation that impacted the anger. We're still angry and we know everything now, apparently. But of course, according to Paul Brand, this means we're all far right. But as rioters began feeding off their false theories in other towns and cities, the question is whether authorities should have told us more.
Starting point is 00:08:17 Southport looks almost nothing like it did when I was last here on the night of that riot. That is mostly due to the determination of this community to heal any divisions that others had tried to create. But the weapons of the far right that night weren't just fire and bricks, they were disinformation. And there is a fierce debate now about how to disarm them in future. Yeah. So the solution, according to Paul Brand, the useful village idiot at Wokai TV, is social media censorship. But the great thing is you're waking up. As one of the few honest brokers in the MSM, Alison Pearson of the Daily Telegraph reported yesterday from the scene, TV crews outside Liverpool court were chased off today by angry people who shouted fake news. People see through the media playing down terrorist attacks, downplaying barbarous murders of little girls.
Starting point is 00:09:14 Southport was terrorism. And I have to say, the footage of these protests was quite something. We don't listen to them. Sly News was especially targeted and for lots of reasons, actually. But do you remember yesterday? And I showed you this, but we'll have a quick look again. They actually thought it was the right time to bring someone on from the Muslim Council outside court to declare that diversity is our strength. To give communities that confidence back that actually misinformation needs to be tackled, that you know neighbours need to stand together and communities really need to come together. You know diversity is a strength, it not something that is should be feared and
Starting point is 00:10:26 actually we need to unite more in the aftermath of it but you guys know what's going on and sly news were called out It's not well put. There's only one that you can listen to and it's deep in your ears. Cover it up. Cover it up. You should be a fucking shame to yourself. You're much enough, children. And you don't fucking deserve children. And one day,
Starting point is 00:11:02 and one day, you cover your kids that we're all fucking trying to defend. You wanna fucking go, just get out. You're not welcome. The police are threatening to arrest us now for doing what we're doing. Can we just take their equipment? I'll take it. So there is genuine public anger. And I think it's partly because anyone who speaks the truth about this case, have you noticed this, is immediately derided as an extremist.
Starting point is 00:11:55 So here is, and you're going to enjoy this, the brilliant Douglas Murray telling the truth. He was an Islamist terrorist, and he had in his possession not just ricin, but al-Qaeda training manuals. Now, last summer, when this atrocity happened, the general public were told by the Home Secretary and the Prime Minister, among others, that we had no right to speculate on the causes of the atrocity. The Home Secretary, Yvette Cooper, was one of those who urged people not to speculate on the motives of the killer,
Starting point is 00:12:34 or the alleged killer, as we had to say at the time, because it might prejudice any future trial. The public knew, we all knew, that there was something untrue about this. And we knew it, among other things, because this standard has not been applied before. So in response, Joe Cox's husband, Brendan, who should know better, wrote of Douglas Murray, this is a textbook example of disinformation. He knows there is no evidence of an Islamist motive, but he would like there to be, so he pretends extreme content downloaded equals motive. It's a lie and it's weaponizing the death of three girls for political ends. Shame. No, no, no. That is what you are doing. And you know it.
Starting point is 00:13:27 After all, the MSM admitted censoring their coverage of the case yesterday to shield the public from the worst details. And I wonder why? Who does that serve? As Joey Barton posted on X, rumours that media are about to censor the details about the monster being sentenced in Liverpool today. He killed three innocent children. Attempted to kill ten others. Eight of them young children. People have said he tried to cut the head off one kid. The public have to be told what happened that day so they understand the true danger that lurks within. This move to pick and choose what the
Starting point is 00:14:07 people know has already backfired. The anger isn't going to go away because you censor information from us. Shining a light on this will be the greatest disinfectant. Hiding information only allows a void of uncertainty. In 2025, you can't suppress the truth. This animal should be executed And I agree. I agree with Joey Barton on that. And as usual, I do want to highlight some of the brave folk who are prepared to tell the truth like Douglas and myself. From Stephen Barrett. I will not break confidence, but Starmer was heckled by someone connected to the victims. He ran away.
Starting point is 00:15:00 Anyone normal would have hugged them. Those little girls. From Nigel Farage, and while I do disagree with his first line here, he has been good on everything else. So he said the cover-up is over. The truth is that all of our authorities have failed. I have no confidence that any lessons will be learned until we have leadership that is strong and unafraid. And Nigel and Reform UK also calling for the Director of Public Prosecutions at the CPS to resign over the cover-up. From Alex Phillips, little white girls were targeted by
Starting point is 00:15:34 Rudy Cabana like they were at the Ariana Grande concert, like they are by Muslim rape gangs. If there had been a racist killing since Stephen Lawrence, we'd have heard of nothing else. Inquiries, foundations, vigils, campaigns. So the idea we are a dangerously racist nation is patently untrue. But when little white girls are routinely slaughtered, raped, tortured and abused, the focus is deliberately shifted onto protecting ethnic minorities. Instead, what sort of a society does that? And for all of those saying the death penalty isn't appropriate for a piece of vermin like
Starting point is 00:16:14 Rudy Cabana, I point you to one Mrs Margaret Thatcher. Because I happen to believe that when some criminals go out and do such hideous, cruel crimes, and in particular when they do such terrible things to children, I think they've forfeited their own right to life. personally, have always voted to retain capital punishment. I do not say that as a party politician. That is my personal view, and I should continue. Some of those things they do are so barbaric. And to the very children, where else do you look for trust if you can't look for a parent? And I would have bring back capital punishment myself. We shall have a vote on it.
Starting point is 00:17:07 And that is the way I shall continue to vote. Not a mandatory sentence, but a sentence available to a judge for a really barbaric crime. Well, I'd like to change the topic. And they were even trying to change the topic back then. I won't change the topic. Now, the uncancelled interview. And I'm delighted to welcome William Clouston. He is the leader of the SDP, the Social Democratic Party, who has written on this,
Starting point is 00:17:46 not considered to be terrorism? We can't know the content of another person's mind, but possessing an al-Qaeda training manual, making deadly poison and calling for white genocide should tell us something. Did anti-white decolonization narratives and critical race theory play a part? Possibly. So William Cluston, really brilliant to have you for the first time here on Outspoken. And I am delighted that there is a leader of a political party in this country who is prepared to tackle those issues that, as you will know, and as I outlined in my digest, the mainstream media just want to pretend are not even there. Do they think we're stupid or something? It's an appalling state of affairs, Dan. I think it has a strongly Soviet
Starting point is 00:18:41 sort of whiff about it um when an outrage like this happens it's it's it's off the scale what happened in black in south port and um when something like that happens it's natural that the public want to find out and the authorities all of them from the politicians the msm the whole thing conspired to tell the public as little as possible about it. Naturally, social media filled that vacuum. And you even had people like the Deputy Prime Minister, who basically said, in reaction to that, let's get at the facts. Well, I think, Dan, you know, and I know, and most intelligent citizens know, that the Prime Minister would have had the facts on the day or certainly the day after. There could be no doubt about that at all.
Starting point is 00:19:32 And I think the public know what the politicians are doing to us. They know what the government did. I think the government don't care, actually. I think it's the reaction, it's the standard reaction when something like this happens throughout Europe. It's not just here. It happens in France, happens in Germany, Holland, other places, Sweden, less so in Sweden now.
Starting point is 00:19:54 But the standard reaction is to tell the public as little as possible and hope it goes away. And divert, divert, divert. So I feel like people are prepared, and I'm talking about the mainstream media, I'm talking about the mainstream politicians, people are prepared to sort of blame everything other than an Islam extremist or an anti-white racism motive. So what we've seen, William, is we've seen Amazon blamed, we've seen Elon Musk blamed, we've seen social media blamed. I mean, it's like totally avoiding the elephant in the room. No, it insults the intelligence. I mean, how much information do you need? And actually,
Starting point is 00:20:40 let's just get back to what you said before. What happened was terrorizing. Yep. It was terrorism. I don't think that could be denied. What they're saying, what the authorities are saying, and what the judge summed up the situation to be, is that because they don't, they can't attribute a motive, a direct motive, they can't call it terrorism. Well, it is terrorism. What happened was terrorising. It was absolutely disgusting. I think the problem that they've got is that in principle, actually, a philosopher of mind would tell you, you can't possibly know what's in the mind of this beast.
Starting point is 00:21:22 You can't know that. But what you can know is you can open up your eyes and see that he was making deadly poison he had the training manual and he was an islamist uh so exactly he was an islamist i mean he was attempting to behead the these young girls which again is a piece of detail the mainstream media have tried to cover up but william honestly i'm just so glad that you have just said that and douglas murray did did the same thing let's we've got to just say it he was clearly an islamist i mean he has according to my reporting converted behind bars he is now or at least when he was in balwash he was a practicing muslim and so when i see the bbc when i see the police saying oh we just have no idea of his motive I just yeah I'm just very delighted you've just called a spade a spade because that is what we need
Starting point is 00:22:09 yeah the problem is I mean and it was in my tweet you can't know the full I mean things can have cause and co-cause I don't know I don't know this is the case but I suspect it may have been motivated by anti-white racism for instance I, I think, which plays a part. If you if you look at some of the reporting on some of the books he had in his room, they were discursive of anti-colonialism and probably had an anti-Western within them as well. So I think that may well have played a part. And I think one or two of the more intelligent people on social media have broadened it and just asked the question. I'm not, I don't know, but I'm asking the question is, does critical race theory play a part? I would argue that certainly critical race theory plays a part in the authorities reaction to this. So if you look at the difficulty, Dan, they've had over the grooming gangs scandal,
Starting point is 00:23:07 virtually every single progressive liberal politician or commentator in relation to that scandal has squirmed and had difficulty dealing with it. Do you know why? The basic reason is that the liberal left system of diversity depends on this crude and rather stupid, ignorant, splitting people up into oppressors and victims, oppressors being white people, and particularly white males, like me, and victims being any other minority group. It's absolutely inane. But they can't report the grooming gangs outrage properly, because suddenly you have a white victim and you have a perpetrator which doesn't fit the narrative of the system they're promoting so that's difficult for them and you can see them just and all of the deflections you know you can go I mean I'll say
Starting point is 00:23:56 right now anyone at all who is commenting on grooming gangs for, who starts to deflect and starts talking about broader crime or broader sexual abuse is obfuscating. This is an interracial crime and it's racially targeted. And that's what makes it different. And if you can't accept that, you're not being truthful, I'm afraid. Exactly. Let's talk about misogyny, for example, which is one of the diversionary tactics when it comes to the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs. But on Ruta Cabana, I think the other thing that is just not being looked at at all is the Taylor Swift connection to all of this. I mean, remember, just weeks before the attack, William, there was a foiled Islamist plot in Vienna to blow up her stadium gig she came very close to cancelling the London concerts altogether at Wembley because there were such
Starting point is 00:24:56 serious security concerns the idea that he just randomly chose a Taylor Swift dance class filled with young white girls is for the birds. Of course it was motivated by that too. I agree. I think it points that way. And I think you'd have to be rather un-inquiring to come to any other conclusion. But some of the deflections that you mentioned really are insulting
Starting point is 00:25:24 and the people that are doing it need to have a good look at themselves you know the people that all this framing of and you know some of the tabloids went down this road framing it as the amazon it's got nothing every simple house every single house in the country has a car yeah i'm sorry you just don't insult us with this stuff i know i And trying to go for the Amazon driver who potentially didn't get the correct signature. I mean, it is the ultimate diversionary tactic. Or on Question Time.
Starting point is 00:25:53 Again, you showed the clip of Question Time. And immediately people start saying it's the channel of social media that's the cause. Not at all. I mean, if you take that attitude, you may as well blame this outrage on the taxi that took him there or the internal combustion engine. It's inane nonsense.
Starting point is 00:26:10 As I say, I think it does have a Soviet whiff to it because I think the public know they're being gaslit. They know it. We can see it. And the people that are doing it, I think, know that we know they're doing it. That's the trouble. Breaking right now, growing criticism of the fake news agents,
Starting point is 00:26:30 as I call them, Emily Maitlis, John Sopel and Lewis Goodall, who have decided to create a cone of silence around the Southport massacre, the cover-up and the sentencing of Axel Rudacabana. As Mike Graham of Talk TV posted on X, why haven't you covered the biggest story in Britain, the ghastly murders of three little English girls at the hands of a savage? Amazingly, the news agents don't think the Southport killings are news. Perhaps John Sopel, Maitlis and Lewis Goodall ought to rename their loss-making podcast Not One Word. They hate Britain and its people.
Starting point is 00:27:15 And William Clouston, the leader of the Social Democratic Party, added, Lewis Goodall pretends to be on the high ground here. In fact, Mike Graham makes the important point, filtering news to fit a progressive narrative is unserious journalism, if it is journalism at all, and the public is sick of it. I mean, William Cluson, this is an absolutely astonishing editorial decision, isn't it? And does it not show that Maitlis, Sopal and Goodall are actually not journalists. They are left-wing activists who want to present only one particular narrative. And if that means not covering the most important story of the year,
Starting point is 00:28:00 then they just won't do it. They'll just keep talking about how awful Farage is and how terrible Trump is. They'll just ignore it altogether, like they did yesterday. Yeah, I mean, the critics of journalists, one criticism is a sort of 3.1, which is that journalists come in three sizes, you know, activists or propagandists, stenographers and liars. It's a bit harsh. But certainly the point that Mike made, and Mike is a very experienced, slightly old fashioned Fleet Street journalist, been around the block, he knows all about it. But he reports news. He actually talks about the news people, he talks about things that people want to know. And I don't know, I don't watch the news
Starting point is 00:28:41 agents, but I have no time at all for this type of thing. I'm more concerned. These channels like the news agents or certain podcasts, they can they're free to say what they like. My bigger concern is the filtering that goes on in things like the BBC. They just, you know, everything is filtered out. An important story, important things that, you know, the public are asking questions about get filtered out. And it's not so much that you, if you go onto the, Dan, if you go onto the BBC website now and you read the stories, it's not so much that what they're saying is false. I'm not, you know, usually what they're saying is factual, but it's just inane. A lot of it, the priorities they have are just wrong. And there's a certain cowardice in dealing with any of the real questions. And that's why on this particular outrage of Southport, you get back to the fact that the deputy prime minister said, let's get to the facts.
Starting point is 00:29:34 She knew the facts. And I wouldn't doubt that some people on social media say things that are not found and not based in facts. But in general, a lot of the things that were said, because of the vacuum that the government left us with, a lot of the interpolations and suggestions that were made on social media actually turned out to be quite well founded, didn't they? Yeah, I mean, look, I completely agree with you, William, that it is their choice. I mean, this is an independent commercial podcast. I think the reason that it is worth pointing out is because these were the most high-profile journalists at the bbc i mean yeah these were the people who used to decide what the bbc covered and so it's a great insight actually to how people at people at the BBC think and what they consider news.
Starting point is 00:30:27 And also sometimes why they consider something that is obviously news just isn't worth covering. Yeah, but it's just the broader, it's a bit like our politics. The reason the SDP, the reason we're building the party is that people want something decent to vote for. And they want something to vote for that shares their values and has got their back. Now, if you go back to the 2016 referendum vote, Broadcasting House, BBC, I don't think there was anyone admitted to voting leave. I mean, it was just it was a monoculture. They don't they're not in touch with the rest of society. And actually, I think that's very dangerous. i think they don't realize how out of touch they actually are um but that you know it's an endemic problem in the the media classes tend to go to the same schools certainly go to the same universities go to the same dinner parties
Starting point is 00:31:16 and everything is filtered out and so a lot of a lot of the things that politicians like myself would say or like farage would say i just consider a little bit déclassé, a little bit, you know, not the thing to say, really, despite the fact that it might be true. I mean, look at the work. I'll give an example. He's not in my party, but he needs credit for this. Rupert Lowe. Oh, he's been amazing.
Starting point is 00:31:40 He's gone into Parliament, and he almost single-handedly, he's had more impact than the whole of the Tory party. And what has he done? He's asking questions about disproportionality in crime and certain groups. Yes, it's a little bit edgy, but all these people, Dan, rushing around saying they want evidence-based policy. All Rupert Lowe is asking for is evidence-based policy. But it turns out the authorities don't want to give the public the evidence. No, he's done a great job. He has done a great job. Things are changing. And I want to come to that in just a moment. But before that,
Starting point is 00:32:20 though, I really wanted to get your reaction to the deranged approach from James O'Brien. Because he hosts a daily show on LBC, he clearly does have to cover this story. But the manner in which he's done so has been particularly egregious. So I'll show you this and then get your reaction off the back. It was on Amazon that the Southport killer bought his knife. Amazon, of course, is owned by Jeff Bezos. Jeff Bezos was sitting in the row behind Donald Trump at the latter's inauguration. The man who owns the platform that still hosts and holds
Starting point is 00:33:02 the footage that the Southport killer looked before he set off to that Taylor Swift dance class. He was not just sitting in the row directly behind Donald Trump. He is the guy that got on stage and did the Nazi salutes. So I am not given too hyperbole but the aligning of these planets is at the very least notable but what the hell can a british government do to rein them in because that is the fight that they've picked yeah no hyperbole whatsoever right william I'm glad you're chuckling down actually on this because actually occasionally friends, you know, myself and friends in the SCP occasionally listen to LBC when James O'Brien's on just for a bit of amusement.
Starting point is 00:33:53 And actually, to be fair, I don't actually, I'm unable to follow him because he's blocked me on Twitter. Oh, me too, me too. He's not a pro free speech guy, we know that. Yeah, must be doing something right. Yeah. But obviously the man can't reason properly. I mean, this is just it's not even reasoning. I don't know what it is. It's the same problem as we talked about before. He's just lashing out at anything but the true cause. The true cause is the evil person that did it and the ideology that contributed to it.
Starting point is 00:34:23 Let's focus on that. Be honest instead of all this deflection. So, yeah, I mean, he's, I don't know. I don't, he's a complete lost cause, isn't he, James O'Brien? And it's actually comical now. It becomes, it's almost as if, you know, does he know? I suspect actually he doesn't. I don't think he's got very much self-awareness. No, because they don't understand that the world is changing
Starting point is 00:34:47 given that they live in such a confined world. And we know what it's confined to. It's confined to a very particular part of London, a very particular part of the media class. They socialise with the same people, largely from Westminster. So they are absolutely existing in a bubble, which is why things are going to surprise them because the change and the pace of change,
Starting point is 00:35:11 and I do want to get to the SDP's role in this in just a moment, but it is becoming quite sensational, actually. And I think it's illustrated well by this speech from Javier Millay at the World Economic Forum this week. So he went into the lion's den, just like Donald Trump, and he spat so many home truths about the disgusting state of the United Kingdom in just 70 seconds that I hope it is starting to wake up the world. It is really an incredible speech. It is translated, but it's still worth listening to. Watch. We speak in the UK, citizens are being imprisoned. Is it not true that right now as we speak in the UK, citizens are being imprisoned for exposing horrifying crimes committed by Muslim migrants,
Starting point is 00:36:03 crimes that the government seeks to conceal? Or didn't the bureaucrats in Brussels suspend Romania's elections simply because they didn't like the party that had won? Faced with each of these discussions, wokeism's first strategy is to discredit those of us who challenge these things, first by labeling us and then by silencing us. If you're white, you must be racist. If you're a man, you must be a misogynist or part of the patriarchy. If you're rich, you must be a cruel capitalist. If you're heterosexual, you must be heteronormative, homophobic, or transphobic.
Starting point is 00:36:38 For every challenge, they have a label, and then they try to suppress you by force or through legal means. Because beneath the rhetoric of diversity, democracy and tolerance that they so often preach, what truly lies is their blatant desire to eliminate dissent, criticism and ultimately freedom so they can continue to uphold a model in which they're the main beneficiary. And the thing is, William, I believe the politics of Millais and Trump are where the world is heading. And the UK and the despicable actions of Slippery Starmer and this socialist Labour government are so out of step with the rest of the world. I think there's something in that as a very broad description. And I think it's good that Malay went along there and said that in person. And I think it's good that Trump recorded a message and said a few things about trade, which I think were perceptive and timely.
Starting point is 00:37:41 I think it's a little bit more complicated than that. I think, you know, we have a slightly different politics. We have slightly different needs. I think there are weaknesses in Malay's approach. I mean, what Malay is doing may be appropriate for Argentina on the economics. I'm not sure it is for us here. And likewise, I think the, you know, Trump's new administration, what they intend to practice, a lot of very good things. I mean, you know, trying to kick back against divisive woke stuff or, you know, harebrained ideology on DEI and stuff. All that's good. I think I've said for many years,
Starting point is 00:38:21 actually, Dan, that on the question of basics, like having a border, like controlling who comes into your country, I think the West is in very, very serious trouble. I think Australia has a measure of control, and largely down to John Howard winning the election on it and its geography and so on. It has control, but a lot of Western countries don't. And I've said for a long time that we need one Western country to step up and assert the border, grow some and sort of have the self-assertion to get the border back, control who comes in. And I wanted that to be Brexit Britain, but the political class lacked the courage to do it, didn't really want to do it. But it may turn out to be the United States. And if that happens, I'd applaud that. I think that's very good. You need a state to prove you can do it. You need a state to prove that people here illegally shouldn't be and must be removed. And those are basics, I would say. But it shouldn't surprise anyone watching this that I don't share all of the economics uh you know certainly malays economics i don't share um and and the trump
Starting point is 00:39:26 thing on economics is very interesting because i think the skepticism of globalist free trade very good i'm with him on that you need to re-industrialize uh you know the indifference to what is made where and by whom uh i share but there is a there is a schism, isn't there, Dan, between the sort of MAGA element in Trump's coalition and and even people like Musk, who would who would have a much more liberal attitude towards visas for tech workers, you know, and people like Steve Bannon want him to train Americans. And I'm with Steve on that. So broadly, yes, I agree with you. But if you go beneath it, it's a little bit more complicated, isn't it? And you summed it up, I think, the situation quite well in two of your posts on X recently, which I'll just go through and then you can elaborate a little bit more.
Starting point is 00:40:18 But you said, similar to the point you've just made, I guess, I've always thought that one Western state would break from the pack, reinstate its borders and self-respect and act as a beacon to the rest. It could have been Brexit Britain, but our ruling class was too weak. It's the USA. And then speaking specifically about this Labour government, you say Starmer pledges a fundamental change in how Britain protects its citizens and its children. But has the pernickety mindset of the second-rate lawyer. He can't see the danger of thousands of fighting-age males illegally entering our country. He defends their right to do so. Foolish man. And that's what's interesting
Starting point is 00:40:58 to me about the SDP, because of course, in a lot of ways, William, you would be considered to certainly be, I guess, part of the old left economically. But you have this very, very strong belief that the protection of our borders and the need for sovereignty is at the heart of what a democracy should be. Totally. In fact, I don't think you can protect your citizens unless you do. And I think, you see, I don't think, it's very interesting people talk about left and right. And I don't think I have any views that wouldn't have been shared
Starting point is 00:41:37 by some very traditional people on the left, like Peter Shaw and George Brown, and even Clem Attlee, actually. To them, what's happened would be unthinkable. You know, you just let people wander in. Are you insane? Are you mad? And on things like labour markets, I mean, I've been, you know, we fought, we had 122 candidates in the last election and one of the things on every single leaflet was end mass immigration. I think mass immigration is absolutely insane. And from a left-wing point
Starting point is 00:42:05 of view, from a worker's point of view, from a sort of worker's pay and conditions point of view, it is totally against their interests. I'm making this argument from the left. You know, open labour markets will have two fundamental effects. They'll suppress wages and they'll disincentivise training. Why bother training anyone in Britain if you're going to ship people in? And that's the liberalism, the economic liberalism that I'm arguing against. And it's shared by the Lib Dems, the Tories and the Labour Party. The Uni Party, which has to be spanked. So I've got two specific questions for you then in terms of the SDP.
Starting point is 00:42:46 Firstly, would you consider some sort of deal or some sort of electoral pact or some sort of merger with Nigel Farage and Reform UK? Well, on the question of a deal, the answer is yes, because I'm the only person in the world that has ever negotiated a general election pact with reform. We had one of the last election. It was 18. I negotiated it with with Richard Tice and Paul Oakton and they honoured it. And we you know, in fact, one of the reasons we did it when we scoped it was that we negotiated it. And for about 12 months, it never leaked. We trusted each other. And so it worked. It was very small in scale though, Dan. It was, you know, it was only six each to no stand and then South Yorkshire together. So it was about 20 odd seats in total, small.
Starting point is 00:43:35 But in principle, yeah, I'm against these. I want these two, the two party monopoly smashed. It's dreadful for the country and it doesn't allow us to have people in Parliament that think normal things, right? That's the trouble. Parliament does not look like the British public and doesn't reflect British opinion.
Starting point is 00:43:55 So I want to smash it. I want it gone, and I would work with anyone, pretty much, who shares that aim. And if you believe in PR, got you've got to haven't you yes yes i think you do but then my next question is in regards to tommy robinson because nigel has made it absolutely clear that he doesn't want any type of arrangement or association, which has obviously led to this big battle between Farage and Elon Musk, with Elon actually withdrawing his support for Farage's leadership.
Starting point is 00:44:37 Some people say he's leaning towards supporting Rupert Lowe, who he has certainly elevated a lot on his X platform. Where do you stand on the whole Tommy Robinson question? Well, he's got a right to his opinion and he's raised very, very important topics. I asked the SDP's HQ to do a report on Robinson because I wanted to know about it. And after reading the report, it's pretty clear that a democratic politician like myself wouldn't be doing anything with him. He's been convicted a number of times for a number of different things. And I don't believe that whatever he's doing is part of democratic politics and trying to get votes and trying to represent people's views in elections. That's what I'm
Starting point is 00:45:21 trying to do. So I'd always defend his right to draw important topics to the public's attention and all the rest of it. But I don't think it's a category difference. I mean, what I'm interested in doing, the currency of my enterprise is votes. I want to get votes from people. And I don't think he has anything to offer at all. And I wouldn't welcome the association, actually, in that respect. Breaking right now, could there be a historic cleansing of the cover up regarding the most famous assassinations in American history. It certainly seems that way after Donald Trump signed an executive order to release all of the files in relation to the shootings of JFK, RFK and Martin Luther King Jr. Watch the historic moment where this happened in the Oval Office. A lot of people are waiting for this for a long, for years, for decades.
Starting point is 00:46:51 And everything will be revealed. Okay. Give that to RFKG. Yes, sir. Now, this order requires now the Director of National Intelligence and the Attorney General, and remember, neither of those positions have actually been confirmed yet, to spend just 15 days coming up with a plan to release the JFK files, they then have 45 days to come up with plans to release all the RFK and MLK files. Of course, for folk like me, who struggle to believe the official narrative, certainly when it comes to JFK and the fact that Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone shooter and then was completely innocently murdered by Jack Ruby without any involvement from the FBI or CIA. This could be
Starting point is 00:47:55 a significant day. William Clouston is the leader of the UK's SDP party. What do you make of it? Is this going to be a historic moment? Or was the cover up put in place so long ago that in fact, there might be nothing in these official files to really change that narrative? I don't know. But we're about to find something out, aren't we? Because extra information is about to be available to historians and so on. I think I can always understand governments putting documents into top secret files and beyond reach for a period of time, particularly because the individuals that presided over are still alive still around. But that's not true now. Largely, that's not true. So I welcome Trump's initiative in doing this. I think it's welcome. I mean, like everyone else, I've read quite a lot about Kennedy's assassination. That's JFK's in particular. And certainly I would regard JFK as one of my political heroes. If you read
Starting point is 00:49:06 Schlesinger's account of his life, and his first period in office, it's very moving, actually. And I think he was a very, very thoughtful fellow. I think he started to make some errors already on things like Vietnam and involvement there. But it was a tragic event for the United States. Unfortunately, not an uncommon event. You know, Reagan was shot. Trump was shot. So we'll find out. I don't think it's a bad idea to get the information out.
Starting point is 00:49:39 Whether we get anything that's verididical i'm not so sure yeah because the thing is there are five million pages in the collection of the national archives and the records administration now in 2022 when trump ordered the release of as many files as possible it was said that 97% of them already were public. But that is still a mega treasure trove of files to be released. What's your personal feeling in terms of the assassination? Do you feel that the government narrative does add up and that Lee Harvey Oswald was acting alone and that there was no FBI or CIA involvement in the murder? I tend to take a very economical view on these things. The thing that's always puzzled me, Dan,
Starting point is 00:50:45 is just the footage, actually. Not so much the question of, you know, did Oswald act alone? Very odd that he was shot days later and all of that stuff. And obviously his involvement with the Soviets and his trips to Moscow and everything else. It's not so much that, it's just the footage itself.
Starting point is 00:51:04 The shot when Kennedy's head goes back, and Moscow and everything else. It's not so much that, it's just the footage itself, the shot when Kennedy's head goes back, the position of the car at the time. And those things are the things that a lot of people have spent a lot of time speculating on, and they're probably right to. I think it's quite often the very obvious thing that you've got to look at. But as I say, we'll welcome it.
Starting point is 00:51:23 I mean, the one thing for sure, despite the fact that there are millions of documents, there won't be any shortage of people that will go through them if they're available, I can tell you that. No, indeed, but it is fascinating looking at the contemporaneous evidence in regards to the assassination, because certainly the eyewitnesses from the time immediately after the shooting do not believe that there was a lone shooter. Think that it is impossible, given where they heard the bullets come from. Do believe that there was at least a second shooter on the Gry knoll now the other thing that to me is obviously completely fascinating is uh the death of Marilyn Monroe as well which has never added up to me uh absolutely feels like
Starting point is 00:52:15 there was FBI and CIA involvement in it but I guess one of the issues with trying to get to the truth is that all of a sudden you're seeing, I guess, the faith that Americans have in their system really put to the test. Although I wonder if after the past few years, that has already happened when you look at, for example, the COVID debacle, etc., etc., etc. Fascinating, by the way, this is the only picture, do you know, this is the only picture of Marilyn Monroe and JFK in the same frame, even though they had that very lengthy affair. Anyway, that's a slight aside, but you understand what I'm saying. Is it dangerous at all for Americans to start to think, whoa, goodness me, maybe the FBI and the CIA aren't actually on our side, which is something that lots of right-wing commentators
Starting point is 00:53:10 like Candace Owens have been exploring for some time. Well, in a free society, you've got to be able to ask those questions anyway, I think, and I think people asked them at the time, didn't they? I think the point I made earlier about this being probably a better time to get the full information or all the information that's there is that if people are covering up, they probably, who are responsible, if they were responsible, they don't exist now.
Starting point is 00:53:36 Largely, they don't exist. And also broadly, we should remember, right, that this new Trump 2.0 administration does include a kennedy a very important one and he um it's it's interesting if i've if i'm correct in saying that uh that bobby kennedy you know uh junior does not accept the official narrative of the uh of his father's death apparently and uh certainly doesn't there isn't agreement in the family. No, there isn't. I mean, the Kennedys are at war over this.
Starting point is 00:54:08 And of course they have been at war over RFK's alignment with Trump anyway, the great democratic dynasty turning on their legacy party. I would argue, though, the Trumps are the new Kennedys. They are the ones that have brought that glamour to politics. They are the ones that I think for many decades to come will have a big role in the MAGA movement. I would not be surprised if you saw a Donald Trump Jr. enter the political realm, for example. Lots of people already predicting that maybe you'll see Barron Trump one day in the White House. But it is fascinating. The Kennedy dynasty have been completely split
Starting point is 00:54:48 over this. But certainly I've interviewed RFK Jr. in the past. And no, he does not accept the official narrative of his father's death. There is lots that doesn't add up. And of course, he has even visited the alleged killer in prison. So I think it's going to be absolutely fascinating. And in that video that we saw, Trump, of course, said, and I thought this was a really nice touch. And it does show, actually, people don't like to ever talk about Trump's human side. But he knows what this means to RFK Jr. And so after signing the executive order, he had a thought and he gave a pen in which he signed the order to one of his aides.
Starting point is 00:55:29 And he said, give that to Bobby, give that to Bobby. And I thought that was a very nice touch. But look, it's certainly fascinating. I cannot wait for the release of these documents. If you are someone like me that doubts a lot the official narrative, We're going to have a lot to go on. However, I do agree with the folk who say, okay, release the Jeffrey Epstein files next, release those files because there's a lot more to be seen in terms of more current cases, I guess. Plus, by the way, Trump's assassination because, or near assassination, because I'm sorry, I do not believe the official narrative on that one for a single second. Look, William Cluston is going to stay with us. He'll be back in just one minute because I think this one will make you
Starting point is 00:56:18 angry. Chris Martin of Coldplay. He's just so embarrassed at the moment, so embarrassed to be white, British and middle class. But first, the reason you're watching this show is because you know that these days, and we've been discussing it lots at the moment, it's impossible to trust the mainstream media or the so-called fact checkers who claim to patrol social media. And that's for a very good reason given the Brexit debate, COVID debacle and demonization of Donald Trump. But I've got the solution for you. Today's sponsor Ground News, created by a former NASA engineer to provide you with the only safe way to consume the headlines, is going to solve so many of these issues. Go to ground.news forward slash outspoken to check it out for yourself, by the way.
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Starting point is 00:59:56 who to promote their new album went into the Rolling Stone magazine and had Chris Martin say, we're a very, very easy, safe target. We're not going to bite back. We are four white middle-class men from England. We deserve to take some shit for what our people have done. So effectively, Chris Martin believes that if you're white, if you're middle class, and if you're English, you don't have a right to speak out about anything. And the annoyance factor ratcheted up a little bit this week. When on stage in India, Chris Martin decided to take the self-loathing to a whole new level, suggesting that the Indian fans should be so horrified
Starting point is 01:00:45 because they are white English people that maybe they should be throwing lots of curry or something up on stage. Watch. Thank you for coming today, everyone. It's amazing to us that you welcome us, even though we are from Great Britain. Thank you for forgiving us for all of the bad things Great Britain has done. And welcome us to your home. So William Clouston of the SDP. I'm going to admit this.
Starting point is 01:01:18 I'm a big Coldplay fan. I know lots of people say, oh, that means you've got really middle of the road music taste. I love them. I think they're very talented guys. This absolutely puts me off. I mean, by the way, I know Chris Mann a little bit, or I've at least met him in the past. Very polite, friendly, lovely man. Not like one of those absolute showbiz horrors.
Starting point is 01:01:38 However, this makes me turn. I just think it's utterly repulsive that what he's saying is if you're white english and middle class you should just be ashamed you should just shut up because of what actions from hundreds and hundreds of years ago your thoughts well yeah and i sort of agree with you on the music i think quite often uh with the arts you have to separate the art uh from the artist okay and quite often what the artist says. I mean, this is a cretinous, absolutely cretinous thing to say. And it's the it's the sort of thing an ignoramus would say. Because it's so, it's so unleveled, it's so unbalanced. For a start, right, you can be
Starting point is 01:02:22 responsible for what you do and say in life, right, Dan, you can, you can be responsible for what you do and say in life, right, Dan? You can take responsibility for that. You cannot take responsibility for, say, the East India Company that was set up in 1599. You can't take responsibility for that. But in any case, it's unbalanced because it's a sort of self-hatred. We talked about that earlier, didn't we, about white self-hatred. I think white self-hatred is a problem that sort of emanates to a great extent
Starting point is 01:02:51 from white progressives. Probably, I don't know if Chris Martin is a progressive on this. He sounds like one, but it's inane. It's just completely unbalanced. I had the pleasure of interviewing Nigel Biggar last year about his book on colonialism. And colonialism is a balance sheet.
Starting point is 01:03:08 There's some good and some not so good. I think you've got to be honest and fair about everything. So if he can say, you know, I want to be, you know, I'm pleased that you've apologised, you know, that you're not going to, that you've forgiven us for all the bad things we've done. But I want something on the credit side as well. I want to take credit for, you know, philosophy like John Locke and Hobbes. And I want to take credit for an Anglo culture for Adam Smith and David Hume, and later on in technology, railways and hospitals and so on. So he can't, it's a stupid thing to say and it's embarrassing,
Starting point is 01:03:48 but it's not new. Parts of the middle class have been like this for years. No, it isn't new. That is true. I would argue, though, after the explosion of critical race theory and after Black Lives Matter went mainstream in 2020 following the death of George Floyd, it's definitely gone to a new level, a new level of self-loathing. Because I actually think, I mean, look at the 90s, for example, William, and my goodness, I think all the time at the moment, I want to go back to the 90s. I want to go back to cool Britannia okay not a fan of Tony Blair but come on it was a great decade but we were proud you know that universally our artists were proud
Starting point is 01:04:32 of the Union Jack were proud of what Britain had given to the world and that really has changed and of course that seeps into such a nasty narrative for our youngsters. Yeah, I mean, it's absolutely lethal to bring a whole generation up in shame, which is what they're doing. It's a sort of deranged experiment, I think. You should be proud of what the culture's achieved. You should be honest about its downsides, where they exist. But as I say, it's nothing new.
Starting point is 01:05:05 Orwell wrote about it in the 30s. You know, what did he say in The Lion and the Unicorn? You know, parts of the intelligentsia would sooner steal from the poor box than stand to attention to the national anthem or sing it. So this is the problem we've had. It's in the culture. In a way, it's part of a free society. But I don't think he, you know, get in the pub.
Starting point is 01:05:25 And people don't think this. But a lot of people are very proud of what this country has achieved. I am. And this is just, you know, a pop star embarrassing himself, I think. Yes, well, that is true, because it never seems to translate when you're actually talking about their actions, William, because Chris Martin has performed at Kensington Palace before. Here he is with Prince Harry, although ironically, I guess Prince Harry would probably share a lot of these self-loathing views about Britain and the British Empire. But I also just sometimes feel with these people, do you really mean what you're saying?
Starting point is 01:06:07 Because if so, then you've also got to change some of what you do. Yeah, but it's a classic luxury of belief, isn't it? It doesn't, it gives him status. He can feel good about saying, oh, aren't we terrible? Isn't it awful? But actually there may well be consequences for other people, usually people that are further down the social hierarchy than him. So, you know, I think it is a luxury belief.
Starting point is 01:06:33 It's just, it's embarrassing. I think I'm never, ever surprised by this sort of thing. And I think the cure would be just to know a little bit about your own country's history and stop only looking at negatives. There are incredible, I mean, for a start, a system of democracy, parliamentary democracy and the rule of law is not a small thing, right? A lot of countries, I mean, you know, not all, but a lot of countries around the world have a system which is based on our rights-based system.
Starting point is 01:07:06 And why do they have it they have it because british culture in particular english culture had historically very very high level of of embedded rights people felt that they had a right to say uh to speak their mind in the very often in the pub and know, it's not to be diminished that. We should be very proud of that. But people like, you know, he's a specialist, isn't he? I mean, he's on a stage singing songs. Good luck to him for that. But don't start getting into analogies like this.
Starting point is 01:07:40 He's just out of his depth. Yeah, don't start trashing our culture. Don't start trashing our culture. What's interesting, of course, because I guess the SDP doesn't sit quite so comfortably on the left-right spectrum. It seems to me that it's the left that now really struggles when it comes to patriotism. Do you agree with that? Yeah, but I think this is where the terminology... I think all these people are liberals, Dan.
Starting point is 01:08:12 They're liberals of various kinds and they're everywhere. And, you know, I defend to the hilt the SDP's heritage as a breakaway from the Labour Party and a part of the left, of the left. And why is that? Because I don't want Thames water owned by foreign entities that milk it, put debt on it and use it as sort of cash cow. I'm too patriotic for that. And we should care about it. It's our water. And I want it owned by us. Same with the railways and power. And I want industry rebuilt. And I want it owned by us. Same with the railways and power. And I want industry rebuilt. And I want people in Britain to have the chance, young people,
Starting point is 01:08:49 to have a chance of getting a home to start a family. And I think the housing crisis is caused by two things. Insane levels of immigration, yes, but it's also caused by the deliberate destruction of state sector capacity and housing. And I want to get the state back and build a few houses to help solve those problems. And I think some of the solutions to our problems
Starting point is 01:09:09 are what you would call left-wing economics, some of it. We're very pro-market. Most things should be produced by the market. But the state does have a role, and I'll always defend that. My objection is to liberalism on steroids. We've had it with it. Finished with it. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:09:37 And I think we can embrace a lot of what you're talking about, actually, by embracing patriotism. I mean, it's exactly what Trump has done. It's exactly what the MAGA movement has done. Let's talk about the brilliance of our country, the brilliance of our industry, the fact that the Industrial Revolution was all created here, and let's bring it back. But I don't sense much patriotism from the left, and certainly I think the champagne socialists
Starting point is 01:09:58 like Chris Martin really sum that up. But William Cluston, it has been so amazing to have you on Outspoken for the first time, leader of the Social Democratic Party. I really hope you come back soon. Thanks very much. It was very kind of you to invite me and I've enjoyed it. Thank you. Take care. Thank you, William. We will speak soon. And look, lots of you have been in touch in regards to the Southport issue and the mainstream media censorship in particular. And Pauline, she has said, I just want to read this out to you, actually, I think it is worth sharing. She says,
Starting point is 01:10:38 Hi, Dan, wanted to give you my thoughts of today's coverage by the MSM on the Southport case. I've been watching GB News, but I'm sure they are all the same. Why are we not being told the details of what happened during this attack and specifically the injuries inflicted? What we have been told is the details are too horrific to read out. Yes, they are horrific, but we have a right to know the unfiltered truth. I'm not a ghoul by any means, but we need to know that when we hear he stabbed his victims, he didn't just stab them once or twice, but many, many times. horrible actions Pauline and Pauline your note it really meant a lot to me because nothing I did yesterday or today was about being ghoulish it's just about the fact that I think we need to see evil sometimes to actually believe evil and the fact that one of these young girls was very nearly beheaded unfortunately is a part of the story so i really really do appreciate your note thank you so much and thank you for all of your support over the course of
Starting point is 01:11:52 the week i can tell you actually i've got a special announcement on monday about the return of something very close to my heart and hopefully very close to some of your hearts. So do come back to us Monday, 5pm UK time, midday Eastern, 9am Pacific. However, I hope you're sticking around on Substack. www.outspoken.live is the address because the uncancelled after show is on the way with Prince Harry's biographer, Angela Levin, and we are analysing the bombshell claim from Charles Spencer that his sister, Princess Diana, would be proud of the Duke's deranged war on the free press. Now, I think Angela has a lot of doubts about that one.
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